@NUTCASE1733 Yes but think of how many 2,000,000+ birds is, there have been mass extinctions that worked much swifter than the humans that hunted them, and there must have been millions before the ones we met when America was colonized. My point was that fossils are extremely rare, and many animals important today may not have even the evidence of existence in enough time.
@AronRa Ah I see, well I suppose that both could coexist. I think that yes, you can define certain points in an organisms biological history as punctuational, but I would expect that it still correlates with it's environment, so an animal could still be gradually changing yet only at the same pace as its habitat, which might be so unnoticeable that it doesn't give the appearance of change at all.
The lizards we have today have a sprawling stance where their legs are spread out to the sides of their bodies, but dinosaurs had an erect stance where their legs were positioned vertically beneath their bodies as opposed to being at angles
If there's a confirmed dinosaur that had a sprawling or semi-sprawling stance as opposed to an erect stance, feel free to tell me
As for Godzilla, the suit was made to allow the guy to move properly, like the Dragon Zord costume from the old Power Rangers
Triceratops was slightly sprawled as it's forlimbes needed to be that way so it could eat low-growing ferns. The placement of the legs also made it ideal for them to charge enemies.
@Tarynus Hmm, well I think the Ankylosaurs (Both the Nodosaurs and the true anklosaurs) fit your description then. If memory serves all four legs were slightly sprawled out so they could better support the weight of their armored bodies.
@NUTCASE71733 Hmmm... *swift Google search* Their elbows & knees do bend to accomodate such a weight, but they aren't fully spread out like a crocodile's or alligator's to at least be semi-sprawling; Ankylosaurs could stand upright both while moving & staying still, while crocodilians lift their bellies off the ground to move & then lie back down to rest
Sorry if I'm sounding all "Nuh-uh, I'm right & you're wrong!" with my comments, I promise I'm not, but I must admit you're testing my knowledge
No prob, besides I knew that ankylosaurs couldn't drag their bellies like a croc. No dinosaur could do that since it'd hamper with their lifestyle. I wasn't exactly sure if you wanted something more specific given.
@NUTCASE71733 It really does show what evolution can do to species to help them survive, what we think as being just a trivial development can actually be an astounding feat in nature
You've really helped me to flesh out what I was trying to say & you've exercised my brain, so I must thank you ^_^
@Tarynus What an ignorant comment, the only living descendants of dinosaurs are birds. Lizards are descendants of ancient lizards but they weren't dinosaurs, lizards are of a completely different group altogether.
@pat5168 Tell that to Geerup, he doesn't understand simple biology
I've known that since I was a kid (good ol' Archeopteryx) & I was obsessed with dinosaurs back then, so most of it stuck with me through the rest of my life
@Tarynus Okay I completely misunderstood what your point was. It seems that you were giving an obvious example of why dinosaurs aren't related to lizards but I thought you were trying to say that there were no transitionals between dinosaurs and lizards and is unexplained by evolution.
Sad thing is people like geerup will just ignore being corrected and put their fingers in the ears and scream lalala. I think it's safe to say those like him are stupid.
Sry, man, that "program/file hierarchy" doesn't exist. It's just an animation he uses to visualize the concept. You know, maybe someone should make a "wikiTree(OfLife)." That'd be a pretty cool lil' project, maybe make it an offshoot of Wikipedia, or somehow dependant on it's data? Basically, I'm thinking that, in the species' article, you could classify each species into their correct, most specific clades, and then another program would look at the articles for every species of li
Same old outdated arguments from PCS 2. That is really the equivalent of asking "If America was colonized by the British, then why do the British still exist?" Men of his kind should REALLY understand how exactly the science works before they try to attack it.
Ah Dinosaurs... theres no way my childhood self would ever have suspected science would come to show that many more dinosaurs had feathers then just the ones with feathery wings.
to all creatonists-if you dont accept evoluiton why are there so many birds with wings that cant fly, or can barely fly- turkey, chickens (kinda fly), emus, ostriches, penguins, or animals that live on land that have webbed feet like dogs? why do we have tailbones? would this not in a sense be transitions.
@420simpson Most will ignore the question and/or try a red herring. Some will say that it is part of God's divine plan. Some will blame Satan. Some will say that it is because of "original sin". A few will say that these traits are really important and that science has yet to find the reason. A rare few will even make up functions for vestigial traits on the spot.
My personal favorite is to ask them what kind of incompetent up designer who gave whales lungs instead of gills.
@ImmortalUniverse I totally agree with you, but just oooooooone little thing :P
Crocodilians apparently didn't look crocodile-like until the Jurassic, before that they were more like little lizards scampering about. Any "crocodile" fossil you see from before the jurrasic is probably a phytosaur.
@PraetorianMan hmmm , then maybe i was mis informed about crocs. asfar as i can recall , crocs are and never were lizards or reptiles. they are closer to the dinosaurs if you have to put them in a category . even a bird skeloton looks like that of a dinosaur. although it obviously is not a dinosaur. but i can be wrong. i just say what i remember from a tv documentry on discovery . lol so i will do some research on google. a phytosaur ,mmm ill look it up
@ImmortalUniverse Well they were certainly never lizards, but they were and are reptiles. Crocodilia is an Order within the Class Reptilia, which makes them reptiles. Aves and Crocodilia are the only living descendants of Archosauria (which is a clade within Reptilia). Furthermore, Aves falls below Theropoda and within Dinosauria, which makes them dinosaurs.
@AronRa I was doing a palaeo-painting and I wanted to be as accurate as humanly possible, and looking up Haasiophis led me to some other great examples, so thank you very much! I would assume you've heard about the recent proposal that Mosasaurs may have had shark-like tails?
@Vegavis There was a crocodilian with a fluked tail, and a precursor to ichthyosaurs which looked a lot like a Mosasaur, but otherwise, no. I am not aware of any mosasaur with a fluked tail.
@AronRa Concerning birds, I'm curious as to which evolutionary flight model you would tend to support (WAIR, pouncing proavis, arboreal, etc)? Personally, I much prefer the cursorial 'ground up' model, for various reasons. What is your opinion on the matter?
On another note, I don't suppose you know any examples of Cretaceous squamates?
(cont) and... (what I assume) in two different species and then evolving on? Or did it evolve in one, then regressing again in some and evolved fully in others?
If they evolved in two or more species are there any explanations as to why they are similar if not identical?
All this makes me wanna know more... damn you reality, you win again!
Aron, in the part where you talk about why lizards are not dinosaurs and especially about the legs I started to try and think about what animals have those kind of legs.
I might be wrong but aren't the hindlegs of most quadruped animals shaped (and function?) the same way? The only thing differing is the foot part?
I *do* realise that there are quite a few other things that differ as well but if they are not related at all, did that leg construction appear on two different occasions and (cont)
@smuppa Lizards have pentadactyl digigrade legs in a posture that is splayed out to the side. The legs of birds and non-avian dinosaurs -whether therapod or any other sort- are quite a bit different than the legs of any lizard. So I'm not sure what you mean.
@AronRa You know, reading through my question I am not really sure either any more... if I ever was.
I might be trying to compare apples and pears or skipped a step in the thought process.
What I think I might have meant to ask is: If I understand it correctly, birds are the only living descendants of dinosaurs. In my layman eyes, bird legs (or therapod legs for that matter) are very similar to quadruped animals hind legs in the way they move and are jointed and such (cont)
@AronRa If they are similar or identical, is it uncommon for nature to evolve similar functionalities/constructions in two different species or is it a major wow factor?
@smuppa When similar structures or functions appear in widely different lineages, that is called "convergent evolution". For instance bats, birds and beetles all evolved flight, even though they are in widely separated taxonomic categories. Google it or check out the wiki entry for more info. The entry also touches on divergent and parallel evolution, for further consideration.
@AronRa Any chance that you might do a bit on the "Third Eye" aka Parietal eye that is in reference to the "what good is half a eye argument heard from creationists? Carolina anole (Anolis carolinensis) as well as Bullfrog (Rana catesbeiana),These animals already have two fully functional eyes. Seems this would make a good argument for adaptation in very small steps. Just wondering. Keep up the good work.
@AronRa Since you're a Paleontologist, what is your take on the Evolution of species? Phyletic Gradualism or Punctuated Equilibrium?
I think that Gould over complicated the reason why there are sometimes abrupt fossils within the record, simply because of the rarity of the circumstances needed for them to form. 2 Centuries ago, the Carrier Pigeon numbered in the millions throughout the Americas, they are extinct today yet how many fossils do we expect from them?
@pat5168 I am not actually a paleontologist. I still have a straight job. But I did explain punk eek in at 4:12 of this video on evolutionary law: /watch?v=wH8LOQAu-5I
@AronRa Yeah I misunderstood what you said in another video but I looked at the script and you said your were a student of paleontology. I have a question, are there significant transitional forms of bird's bones and dinosaurs?
You're thinking of the Passager Pidgeon. We stillhave Carrier pidgeons. We shouldn't expect any fossils of Passsager Pidgeons for the factthat-for one-being a extinction caused by man very recently in Earth's history-none of the bones had a chance to be buried by any natural forces. Many of these birds were eaten and their bones thrown away as such and the bones werr destroyed. Then of course the time for fossilization goes against it as well. You have an otherwise sound question.
This is why I don't mind when creationists attempt to use "science" to further their beliefs. All it does is compel people who DO know what they're talking about to make great videos which gives me lots a great content to watch. Thanks creationists!
All creationist jabbing aside, my REAL thanks goes out to AronRa of course!
I like this guy, at least he is being very respectful in his rebuttle....I'll definitely watch more of AronRa's videos
However I don't get why he says we have seen some macroevolution happen at our present time, but only linked a webpage and didn't really explain to much on it at 4:17 he also talks about ways to trace clues in the present to find out about the past, but didn't really go into it how this happens....I'm also not a big fan of statistics....but overall this was a good video
@coolst0rybro For the observance of macroevolution, see my video on the 11th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism. Any more specific questions you have I'll be glad to answer.
There is a good newScientist article called 'Small fry go big time' on the NS site.
It describes cichlid macro evolution in an African lake. which occured over 20 years due to strong selective pressure and a new environment when the lake was polluted.
It is a really clear example describing how the fish evolved eyes that see in the infra red etc.
@amorphousguy Have a heart and cut us ignorant lay people some slack over the lizard confusion. When we ask, as I did as a child, what dinosaur actually means that's what we hear: terrible lizard.
People generally don't like it either if you tell them that peanuts are not nuts, that bananas are berries but strawberries and raspberries are not, or that the Theory of Relativity was NOT by Einstein (who penned Special & General Theories of R).
geerup... as usual for the theistic mnded pretending to know things he cannot pssibly know.
Why make such assertions without even bothering to study the subject area in which you make your assertion? It's at best ignorant and at worst willfully dishonest!
i love the part with the traces of sex in the dust on the hood of the car =)) you're awesome dude, i highly appreciate your knowledge. nothing but respect for you man! rock an and hard! \m/
This whole dinosaurs became birds is very shaky unproven wishful thinking, of artist renderings and little or no fossil record... except in your dreams.... No insult, but for gosh sakes get a haircut; how old are you? Gee man when you are as old and wrinkled as you are, long hair just looks stupid and creepy. STOP BLAMING "Creationist" (what ever that means) on all the contradictions and inconsistencies in your theory. Just becasue you give it a latan name and draw a picture doesn't make it so.
@gmcjetpilot What about the Archeoptarix? Saurian features with feathers, I would argue that that is certainly an example of a transitional form. Not to mention that they share common traits, hollow bones for example.
@gmcjetpilot God thing all those feathered dinosaurs we keep finding in asia aren't real.
Here's a fun fact, if you introduce vitamin A to a chicken embryo during certain stages of embryonic development, you can actually change the chickens feathers back into scales!
Give me some details, just saying it does not impress me. The last feathered "dinosaur" I saw had scientist fighting like crazy in disagreement. It was a few fragments that became artist sketches and creative model making. Ref or citation?
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Chicken with scales? Like to see that. How is injecting vitamin A relevant? Proof? Ref or citation?
Don't assert science as being a bunch of contradictions and inconstancies when you clearly don't even understand the subject yourself. Please look up "Palaeontology: Feathered dinosaurs in a tangle", "Protein Sequences from Mastodon and Tyrannosaurus Rex Revealed by Mass Spectrometry", "The Dinosauria", "Early evolution of avian flight and perching".
That is just a small fraction of evidence of the link between birds and dinosaurs. It's not even news now, its common sense - -.
I studied the feathered dinosaurs, a few bone fragments scientist wildly disagree on...Yawn. I'm all for evolution, don't worship it; study it all you want but don't exaggerate.
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Personally I think evolution is a colossal waste of time, doesn't cure cancer, solve the energy crisis, global warming, world islamic terrorism or put an iPhone in my hand. Sorry JUST stating NAMES for authority doesn't impress me. I'm too old, too educated in science to be fooled. "NAMING IT" IS NOT TRUTH.
I just did? You are clearly set on arguing against evolution, so much so you don't even bother to read the actual science. That is who people consider an idiot? A theory in science btw, is not the same as your laypersons definition of theory. A theory in science has been wrung through the strictest form of investigations known to man, it is as close to fact as anything could ever be on our planet. The fact that you want us to prove a theory shows your ignorance of the very subject.
I'm for science & theories. I went BIG BOY school kid, two master's degrees, physics & mathematics, undergrad mechanical engineering, real science & logic. Evolution is the leading theory and could be disproved. There are flaws. (How dare I!) That's OK. I don't worship it like you. It's not that important. Ecology seems way too subjective. AronRa gives lots of impressive Taxonomy definitions & “sketches”, grand extrapolations beyond the observed, which scientist disagree on.
"Evolution is the leading theory and could be disproved. "
Yes, it could easily be disproved, but hasn't been. Have you found the bunny in the pre-Cambrian yet? No? Then go look for it. I'm sure it will make baby Jeebus happy.
Or perhaps, have you seen rats giving birth to dogs? That event, which you cretards claim would prove evolution, would actually DISPROVE it!
Damn, you cretards are so full of fail but baby Jeebus made you too dumb to even realize it! xD
That's illogical. You can't disprove things you haven't proved. There are MANY failures in the grand Evolution study (which is way more than just fossil records which have their own Oh Shit problems). They just make new theories (which conflict). You're an uneducated philistine. How old are you? Your highest grade level achieved?
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I WON THE DEBATE! You can't prove evolution by attacking Jesus. Science doesn't prove or disprove God or substitue.
I Challenge you. In your own words explanation & PROVE evolution from A to Z, from life spontaneously came into being from inanimate matter by chance, multiplied, divided, grew legs, crawled out of the primordial ooze to become all plants, animals, sea life, reptiles, birds, insects and MAN. Give me the smoking gun proving MAN is a random fluke of the universe, Son of Apes. If you win, I'll help get you an honorary Doctorate from the University my Wife is a board member on.
There are plenty of people much smarter and of greater aptitude than myself which explain evolution far better than I ever could. But those videos are meant for people who can rub two synapses together, not for people so willfully ignorant who would think their favorite magic book in which they believe ONLY by accident of birth contains more scientific knowledge than all of the world's academies.
But even if I "PROVE" your ridiculous strawman of evolution from A to Z" to you...
...why would it even matter? You, like ALL the willfully ignorant and aggressively stupid cretards, have no interest in the truth. You only have an interest in deliberately spreading scientific illiteracy to make the knob of baby Jeebus hard. That's how it is with creationists. Always was and always will be. And which university is it? Is it by chance the same "university" which granted the "doctorate" to Kent Hovind?
If it is, then I think I already deserve a doctorate from it for all the YouTube comments I wrote, as they are on a far superior intellectual level than Hovind's "doctorate". But that hardly says anything. Even my 7 year old brother can write a "doctorate" of a higher intellect than Hovind. And since I would prefer to simply buy toilet paper in a commodity store, rather than write for it, I think I will pass on such a doctorate, thank you very much.
And speaking of proof, evolution, like any other scientific theory, is not proven. The only branch of science in which there is proof is mathematics. All scientific theories outside of mathematics are not proven, they are just theories that have not been disproven. That is, no evidence that would falsify them has been discovered yet. And if you weren't so scientifically illiterate, like the typical creationist, you would have known that. But you obviously don't. SHOCKING!
I just used youtubes new comment search feature and I found that you claimed to be a pilot and also a huge history buff that has educated himself in all forms of ancient history while reading 4 history books a year on a muslim video. You are quite the Renaissance man aren't you? But you are not, you are just another lying dishonest creationist, typical. Get lost, your talks of logic are childish and ridiculous. Why don't you assert some of those notions on yourself? What a liar.
The problem, your fanatical! Does life depend on it? What education do you have to evaluate something as grand, complex, convoluted & diverse as what the is called "Evolution"? I have an engineering/science background, my wife's a Doctor, my hobby is reading scientific periodicals, many of which are shallow, trivial, superficial and equivalent to a gossip rag at the grocery store check out. It's interesting and some times factual but who cares and often it's BULL SHIT. People believe BS.
I don't have faith in “evolution”, It's SCIENCE, must prove the theory, a grand one needing grand proof. If you have faith evolution is a forgone conclusion, fine, not very scientific. It's just mans only theory FOR NOW, might change. I'm apathetic, not impressed. People conflate skepticism of evolution with religion, which really tells me it's a religion for them, apologetics more than science. I love science, math too much to see it corrupted by "philosophy", aka mental masturbation.
You claim to have 2 masters in physics and mathematics but I doubt you ever took a science class ever in your life. No, I'm sure you've taken high school science but probably was a bad student.
Why do I say that? Because of this notion you have of proving science. You don't even understand what theory means, there is evidence already for evolution, many things have already been proven, but we cannot say it is definitive end all fact, therefore it is called a theory of evolution.
I dig down into it, seems "evolution" is "faith based". I'm for faith in God, who is by faith alone but a practical philosophy, way of living life. Jesus Christ for me is an awesome dude by all secular and Biblical historical accounts who wrote a best selling book of all time. I can't live my life by Plesiosaurus (cool drawings and imagination, based on shaky data? subjective narrative which all is forced to fit). We just don't have the answers which takes humility which y'all lack.
Skepticism of "evolution" is not only honest, healthy & needed, it's just science. I don't personally care. The house of cards called Evolution could fall tomorrow; it wouldn't matter. If Aliens landed, said we're an experiment, that would change my life. In fact some scientist (& frauds like Dawkins) allude to alien seeding. WTF? ABG (Anything But God) Haha what ever. You need humility, sense of humor, tolerance for those who don't have your “faith”; if it doesn't hurt you, shut up.
"Skepticism of "evolution" is not only honest, healthy & needed, it's just science"
But you see, you and the rest of your cretard assclown ilk are NOT being skeptical. You already made up your mind in accordance with the magic book in which you believe by accident of birth, and think that anyone who treats it as anything less than self-evident must somehow be living in denial. Religion is as religion does.
"In fact some scientist (& frauds like Dawkins) allude to alien seeding."
Yeah, alien seeding is far more likely than the sky-daddy of your favorite magic book in whom you believe by accident of birth. But unlike you and the rest of the aggressively ignorant cretard crew who want your favorite creation myth to be treated as self-evident, Dawkins merely speculates about the alien seeding and does not require anyone to suspend his judgement.
"Yeah, alien seeding is far more likely than the sky-daddy "
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That's your opinion, and you are in a tiny tiny minority my dear rebelling child. Christianity is based on historical facts, data, real historical figure, Jesus Christ for which we have archaeological and text artifacts to prove it. To dismiss it shows you to be a cretin, philistine.
"Yeah, alien seeding is far more likely than the sky-daddy "
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You never studied history, philosophy, anthropology, archeology, linguistics or theology. PhD's in these fields, scholars have no problem with Christianity and praise the teachings of Jesus Christ historical accuracy of the Bible, which is a reliable document. God could have "seeded". We don't know.
Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
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The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
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“There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”
You do understand that quoting Einstein as being an agnostic does not prove anything. He was clearly against strong atheism, one who asserts the position of there cannot be a god. General atheism is the position of a disbelief in a god, completely different ideas.
Still, none of these proves your deity, so what's your point?
It proves Einstein HATED Atheist, respected Jesus, was a "cosmic spiritualist" who felt the energy, order in the universe, knew statistics of it just happening were nil. Personal God? So what.
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“...Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this foce beyond anything we can comprehend is my religion.” Albert Einstein
Oh, you wanna quote Einstein in desperate attempt to salvage your favorite set of mythology from being sucked into the dustbin of history? You wanna quote Einstein? Here's one for which you and the rest of your cretard assclowns serve a fine case in point:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former"
If all you have is logical fallacies to defend your religion, its future doesn't look very bright.
I'm neither desperate nor salvaging as I win this debate and you flail helplessly with gems like "Oh, you wanna.." Yes I "wanna":
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“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of nature–a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort.” Albert Einstein
Again, why should I care about the personal opinions of Einstein on the matter? The fact that this quote doesn't even pertain to speak about the god in which you happen tobelieve by accident of birth doesn't help your argument much either. But then, nothing ever does when it comes to creationism.
And you trying to make a case by pointing out at how I spelled a certain word serves once again to demonstrate you for the intellectually vacuous cretard assclown that you are.
“The fanatical atheists…are creatures who cannot hear the music of the spheres. I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist. What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos.” Albert Einstein
See my "You are rubber I am glue, what you say bounces off and sticks to you”, law.
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Suck it, save the ad hominems / non sequitur / straw man / subject changing. YOU FAIL! Prove evolution to me, explain. Don't drag Jesus, personal faith, spiritual belief in it. I'm not defending, I'm skeptical of evolution. I don't give a shit about your opinion. Believe what you want, FACTS PLEASE. Explain evolution & why you blindly believe with out a fucking clue.
Again, why should I waste my time explaining evolution to someone who doesn't give a flying monkey shit about reality? The reason I'm responding to you is to expose you for the asshole who is full of shit that you really are, lest some innocent bystander who comes across this video and reads your comments doesn't even for a split second will be mistaken to think that you have any valid point to make, when you don't. Ain't life's a bitch when people aren't fooled by your bullshit?
Why bring Jesus into it? You don't believe? Fine, live your heathen sodomite life and shut up boy. As far as my beliefs I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. You have NO SAY. This video is about Ecology, taxonomy. I don't need to defend the default majority position, GOD! Did it occur to you, that you are wrong? You claim Jesus isn't God? proof, data, facts... religion is faith, spirituality, personal, no proof is needed. I know it's true because I see the affect on my life an others.
For someone who doesn't care what other people think, you seem to be pretty determined to poison other people's minds with your aggressive willful ignorance, like other creationists. But ultimately, you only end up doing us a service by being a case-in-point to Hitchens' book subtitle. After all, your mini-messiah, the Hovindian cretard VenomFangX didn't get the nickname PCS-Posterboy for Creationist Stupidity for nothing, as by being such, and having "wanted posters" in form of...
nothing, as by being such, and having "wanted posters" in form of...
...video responses posted all over town saying "look out for this asshole, he's full of shit", he did more service for rationalism, reason and science better than any free thinker ever could.
And you claim that "GOD" is the "default majority position" is laughable, firstly, because belief in the gods without a shred of evidence is NOT the default position, and the fact that you claim it is once again serves...
Since the idea of god is inherently unfalsifiable, it cannot be treated as scientific, no matter how much you and the rest your your aggressively ignorant cretard crew want it to be otherwise. Yeah, I know that Karl Popper, who came up with this idea was just some God-Gating Austrian Atheist Lutheran Jew and came up with it just to make baby Jeebus sad in the pants, but that's just the way it is. Deal with it and move on.
Look cretin your language, crazy loony ranting is a powerful kind of asininity that leaves me speechless. Prove evolution or shut up. Prove atheism is real.
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Atheism doesn't lead to science or deep thinking.
Science doesn't prove or disprove God.
Science isn't a substitution for spirituality which transcends this dimension in space/time. AronRA said you're a descend of a raccoon! Ha ha. I like being created in Gods image. You do prove you're a fluke of the universe, son of a monkey.
Do you apply this same notion of disbelief on gravity as well? The theory of gravity is merely a theory after all, I mean, it's not like we've already found evidence for it. Your several wall of texts isn't helping your case either.
You can't prove atheism, you don't even know what atheism means?! What in the world are you doing on this board. Atheism is generally understood as the disbelief in a deity, what do we need to prove? You need to prove to us you dodo head, /facepalm.
We (scientist) don't agree on Gravity. As a physicist post grad, this area is debated. Popular theory simply put, is a distortion in the space/time continuum. It's a fundamental force which Newtonian mechanics describes, doesn't explain. Other theories, quantum mechanics, general relativity and string theory (M-theory) says there are 11 other dimensions all around us right now but can't see. It's beyond your comprehension or education. You don't know who you're talking to, do you. facepalm.
No, I perfectly know who I am talking to, a creationist who uses google. So, does that mean you apply your same notion of disbelief in a theory merely because it is a theory? Since the theory of gravity is a theory, that obviously must mean it isn't true, in line with your previous posts, not with your copy paste.
I know you aren't a scientist, don't claim to be, your posts on youtube contradict one another constantly, you're a habitual liar. Tell me what work you've been doing?
No wrong dip shit. I am not a "creationist". What does that even mean.... is that religion. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, and it's painfully apparent I am some parental parent figure you are rebelling at, spewing your foul vile ignorant insolent mouth. I asked you how old are you and highest grade level?.
Lol, your use of grammar and sentence structure belies your supposed education, idiot. You are not talking as an adult but more of a selfish whiny child. The fact that you ignored all the contradictions you've made so far reinforces that idea. Creationism is the religious belief that everything was created by a supernatural force, now you know.
Why don't you admit the fact that you don't understand atheism, the scientific process and scientific theories? Stop pretending.
"Lol, your use of grammar and sentence structure belies your supposed education, idiot."
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My writing is inappreciable, witty and brilliant. You can't write a compete sentence. You must be on your period lady, because all you do is whine like a little bitch, waa waa snif. I don't care what you think of religion. You're an idiot. Also get out of your homosexual closet.
I never said a theory is wrong because it's a theory you liar. It does not mean its a RULE or LAW either. Who knows in 100 or 1000 years what man will know.
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I'm not a scientist, any more. I worked for Boeing Space and Defense as an Engineer and mathematician, pilot instructor. My master's thesis was heat transfer and structural analysis of carbon composite materials in aerospace structures using numerical methods. I'm an now Airline pilot flying Boeing 757/767 SFO. YOU?
"Atheism is generally understood as the disbelief in a deity, what do we need to prove?"
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WHY NOT? You claim you KNOW there's no God. That's illogical. Prove it. Clearly you know nothing of religion. You look foolish, ignorant, prejudice, bigoted. You scream rebelling Child. Simply put I win the debate, won every point and proved you have anal retentive issues. Son, the universe does not revolve around your anus. It's called freedom of speech. You don't like it, sue me, but grow up.
Now this is the real you, not the copy pasta version, this is the gmcjetpilot idiot we all know to be true.
A disbelief in a god is not an assertion that we know there is no god. It simply means we have no belief until evidence arises. Any educated atheist will all answer the same, that we cannot prove there is no god. So you are right there, but you are arguing against your own misaligned idea of atheism rather than us.
How about you understand what atheism means first dunce cap
"A disbelief in a god is not an assertion that we know there is no god. It simply means we have no belief until evidence arises"
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You concede. You admit and believe there could be a God, higher power, designer, NOT everything happen out of no where for no reason by random chance and accident. Good. Why all the ranting and vitriol towards people who believe in God? It makes no sense. You're either a psycho sociopath nut job or just an immature kid who is clueless who may be Gay?
I do not concede to YOUR point because anything can be possible. Just because something is possible doesn't make it real at this point in time, that is what your mind simply cannot grasp for some reason. You know what else is possible? The possibility of NO GOD, yea wow your mind is blown I bet.
Thank you for revealing your religious bigotry against homosexuals, only gay people think about gay thoughts, that is you in this conversation ;).
Religious bigotry> WHAT. I asked you if you are gay... Is that a bad thing? Did I say it was bad? I think you SHOWED YOUR bigotry, you homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic anti-Christ anti-semitic prejudice bigot.. So are you gay or not. I have several gays who work for me ass hole. I grew up in new orleans and know a lot of gays. I also have been married since 1985 and have two kids. My wife is a Doctor. So again fuck you punk.
Can you please call in to The Atheist Experience show? I would love to see Matt Dilahunty shut you down on public broadcast, but of course you would never have the balls say any of these things on live television so it's probably just my wishful thinking.
Matt Dilahunty? I know him kid. What do these atheist talk about? Deep thinking, solving global warming, energy crisis, cancer, how to help the poor? NO THEY ATTACK (very ignorantly) OTHER PEOPLES BELIEF. They have NO desire to learn. Why do you let the devil tell you about your Saviour? Why don't you read the Bible yourself,
take an adult Bible class at a local church, cost nothing, no pressure to join. What are you afraid of?
You are very childish, I can't believe you have children, I feel immensely sorry for them. Actually I was indoctrinated into christianity from birth, but once I reached an age where I was able to form my own coherent ideas, I started researching other religions and ideas, I transitioned to an agnostic where I later found atheism. I'm glad I was able to break free from my mental prison that was religion, sadly, you are still trapped like an angry caged animal that lashes out.
Troll away you little jerkoff ... dance for me puppet, dance ... So it was never
about "SCIENCE" or taxonomy. It was all about you using me as a surrogate to exercise you hate for God on ... I DON'T CARE! SHUT UP ... I stopped reading your post, 20 post ago you fruitcake ... Most of them were illiterate and unreadable any way. You are going to have a harsh and unhappy life if you don't learn to respect others kid.
Who's the one going all capslock yelling at people to shutup, insulting them, then acting like a child by playing the victim. Man you are very confused, and I really feel for your children and then talk about respect? Why should anybody respect you with your attitude? Lol, you crack me up.
Who would spend their time attacking peoples belief. If I was an agnostic I would NOT BOTHER. To each his own. Scholars studied the bible for TWO millenniums. God is here and is NEVER GOING AWAY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WANT IT. I have studed the Bible for 25 yrs with PhD's for teachers. Matt douche bag is not going to make me lose my faith. Sorry I heard his lies; he's just wrong.
And don't bother to lie about your education, really? You studied the bible with teachers who held PhD's? Wow, another lie coming from a habitual liar.
I was as irrational as you were when I was a crazy fundie, I know how you people think, you think it is ok to lie and use every deceitful motive in the book to get your points across, no matter how unreasonable they may be. Your head is so up your ass that you even deceive yourself! A very sad state to be in, and your posts show.
I don't care what you think. Some of my Bible teachers have PdD's in theology. Every Pastor of every church my wife have attended, has at least a Masters in Divinity, Theology. They go to Seminary, learn history, phylosphy, languages, Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and of course the Bible. Jesus isn't for idiots. Bible requires reading and thinking, which you don't do. Also prayer helps.
You can't control yourself can you? You little cowards expect you can say anything you want and there's no consequences. Well coward someone is going to kick ass, so watch your mouth boy. Shit happens. We're just human, sinners. You idiot trolls goad people amd need a good dope slap. I don't want to offend you, so just shut up. You don't beleive, I GOT IT! SHUT UP! Who cares what you think about anything. Who the f are you? NO BODY.
Search YT for Kabane the Christian and his Matt Dilahunty debate. BTW is Matt your gay lover? You think he's a brilliant scholar and pleasant? I would NEVER call that arrogant ass hole. He's a bully that GETS OFF ON ATTACKING CHRISTIANS. He lies and is just ignorant. People like you can be fooled. What if I showed you one or ten cases where Matt lied. Would you keep believing him? Jesus never lies. I am OK if you don't believe, but don't lie and take others to hell with you.
I haven't heard him make any claims that could be considered a lie, in fact all I see him doing is refute religious claims. You consider that lying? I would love to see this video with Matt supposedly lying, I can't imagine what though since as an atheist he doesn't assert any position. But I have time to spare to be amused, please link me the video.
"I haven't heard him make any claims that could be considered a lie, "
You would not know... you don't know anything about Jesus or the Bible. See link below.
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"atheist he doesn't assert any position."
That is a lie, atheist assert an anti-Christ, anti-religious propaganda. Here is a teenager taking deconstructing the "atheist experience". Deception is satans main tool, he's the father of lies.
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Matt Dillahunty caught in a lie on Atheist experience show
Don't call me a liar you liar. Just because you're wrong & reference other liars does not make truth. State my error and give reference and reliable documentation of why I'm wrong, other wise piss off kid. Atheist are KNOWN LIARS, bigots and just mean hateful people to ANYONE who doesn't think like they do. Go away fascist thought nazi bigot. Again discussion or fossils makes ATHEIST (who worship it with out understanding) attack Christian's, proof atheist are INSANE or stupid!
Also, don't deny evidence because it is evidence. That just outright PROVES protective stupidity, by denying (or deluding) the fact as fact. Hey, just like 1984!
"Goodwin's Law" GAME OVER. That proves it. You win? What ever you wrote is fantastic! You have changed my life. I'll have to forget about the 1000's of failures in "evolution theory", no direct evidence one species begot another. I BELIEVE species do evolve, with in a species. However I have never seen one species begot another totally NEW KIND. IF YOU THINK all life came from nothing and one common origin (by it self) fine. Ha ha ha ha.
@gmcjetpilot I had a feeling you were going to say that. You see, I HAVE read the Bible, and my opinion (as a Catholic, mind you) is that evolution is perfectly possible.
The Bible isn't all literal fact; you have to realize this. Most of the Bible is meant to be seen as an extended parable, with a hidden moral hidden in the text.
Oh, and even though there are "thousands" of failures in refining evolution theory, try explaining the hundreds of thousands of failures in creationism theory.
Hang on... which parts do you take as parable or metaphor? How do you know which bits to choose from?
Leavin gthat aside for the moment, what exact moral lessons can possibly be learned from such 'parables' as jesus' death (vicarious redemption), original sin, the parts where Jesus seems to say murder is fine (in Luke), the prodigal son (this is morality?) etc?
Most of the so called 'parables' are supposed to be moral lessons but those lessons are rarely described...
@seansalvador1 Personally, what makes logical sense may have been historical fact (i.e. Jesus Christ, who has been proven, I think, to have lived 2000 years ago), and what doesn't make logical sense may be a stealth parable (i.e. Noah's Ark representing God's promise to humanity, so long as humanity holds their end of the "deal").
Really, though, it's up to the reader's interpretation. What is or isn't fact is debatable, but the truth is that the Bible is not complete historical fact.
The existence of the historical Jesus has not been proven at all! I don't know why you would say that...
Although i do believe he existed. I he were simply completely made up... sheer fantasy, then why would they have to lie about the census that caused him to be born in Bethlehem instead of just lying and saying he was born there anyway?
If he was a completely fictional carachter then surely they would have just claimed he was born in Bethlehem... instead of lying about the census
I keep thinking someone's cell phone is ringing.
IoEstasCedonta 1 week ago
i kinda laugh at the beganing when geerup could not say paleobiology and decided to skip it lol......0:28
MrBashbashbash 1 week ago
My little brother lover that shitty Godzilla remake, got to the point where I had to hid the tape.
TrueMetis 2 weeks ago
I'm learning so much from these videos. Its like I'm in school again...but without the school. c:
fuzzydude64 1 month ago in playlist More videos from AronRa
Well.. what Geerup said was pretty much the same as what AronRa said....
Parabol0086 2 months ago
@Parabol0086 haha good one
PluralOfEverything 3 weeks ago
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@AronRa Did you include Aerosteon? I find that to be an important transitional fossil of dinosaur to birdlike bone anatomy.
pat5168 3 months ago
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@NUTCASE1733 Yes but think of how many 2,000,000+ birds is, there have been mass extinctions that worked much swifter than the humans that hunted them, and there must have been millions before the ones we met when America was colonized. My point was that fossils are extremely rare, and many animals important today may not have even the evidence of existence in enough time.
pat5168 3 months ago
@AronRa Ah I see, well I suppose that both could coexist. I think that yes, you can define certain points in an organisms biological history as punctuational, but I would expect that it still correlates with it's environment, so an animal could still be gradually changing yet only at the same pace as its habitat, which might be so unnoticeable that it doesn't give the appearance of change at all.
pat5168 3 months ago
Anyone know what movie the clip at 7:01 is from?
kylebutler1963 4 months ago
@kylebutler1963 The movie as 7:01 is 'One Million Years BC' with Raquel Welch.
AronRa 4 months ago
@AronRa Thanks, it looks hilarious. Fantastic vid by the way!
kylebutler1963 4 months ago
The lizards we have today have a sprawling stance where their legs are spread out to the sides of their bodies, but dinosaurs had an erect stance where their legs were positioned vertically beneath their bodies as opposed to being at angles
If there's a confirmed dinosaur that had a sprawling or semi-sprawling stance as opposed to an erect stance, feel free to tell me
As for Godzilla, the suit was made to allow the guy to move properly, like the Dragon Zord costume from the old Power Rangers
Tarynus 5 months ago
@Tarynus
Triceratops was slightly sprawled as it's forlimbes needed to be that way so it could eat low-growing ferns. The placement of the legs also made it ideal for them to charge enemies.
NUTCASE71733 5 months ago
@NUTCASE71733 I was specifically thinking of the hindlegs, but valid point
I'm one of those who says "arms" instead of "forelimbs" ^^'
Tarynus 3 months ago
@Tarynus Hmm, well I think the Ankylosaurs (Both the Nodosaurs and the true anklosaurs) fit your description then. If memory serves all four legs were slightly sprawled out so they could better support the weight of their armored bodies.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago
@NUTCASE71733 Hmmm... *swift Google search* Their elbows & knees do bend to accomodate such a weight, but they aren't fully spread out like a crocodile's or alligator's to at least be semi-sprawling; Ankylosaurs could stand upright both while moving & staying still, while crocodilians lift their bellies off the ground to move & then lie back down to rest
Sorry if I'm sounding all "Nuh-uh, I'm right & you're wrong!" with my comments, I promise I'm not, but I must admit you're testing my knowledge
Tarynus 3 months ago
@Tarynus
No prob, besides I knew that ankylosaurs couldn't drag their bellies like a croc. No dinosaur could do that since it'd hamper with their lifestyle. I wasn't exactly sure if you wanted something more specific given.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago
@NUTCASE71733 It really does show what evolution can do to species to help them survive, what we think as being just a trivial development can actually be an astounding feat in nature
You've really helped me to flesh out what I was trying to say & you've exercised my brain, so I must thank you ^_^
Tarynus 3 months ago
@Tarynus What an ignorant comment, the only living descendants of dinosaurs are birds. Lizards are descendants of ancient lizards but they weren't dinosaurs, lizards are of a completely different group altogether.
pat5168 3 months ago
@pat5168 Tell that to Geerup, he doesn't understand simple biology
I've known that since I was a kid (good ol' Archeopteryx) & I was obsessed with dinosaurs back then, so most of it stuck with me through the rest of my life
Tarynus 3 months ago
@Tarynus Okay I completely misunderstood what your point was. It seems that you were giving an obvious example of why dinosaurs aren't related to lizards but I thought you were trying to say that there were no transitionals between dinosaurs and lizards and is unexplained by evolution.
pat5168 3 months ago
Sad thing is people like geerup will just ignore being corrected and put their fingers in the ears and scream lalala. I think it's safe to say those like him are stupid.
HybridD91 6 months ago
i want to eat a dinosaur to see if it tastes avian, oh and that was brilliant
DemoticTruth 7 months ago
Doesn't he sound like shockofgod?
pandapalace11 7 months ago
@XTYnoluck
Sry, man, that "program/file hierarchy" doesn't exist. It's just an animation he uses to visualize the concept. You know, maybe someone should make a "wikiTree(OfLife)." That'd be a pretty cool lil' project, maybe make it an offshoot of Wikipedia, or somehow dependant on it's data? Basically, I'm thinking that, in the species' article, you could classify each species into their correct, most specific clades, and then another program would look at the articles for every species of li
macgeek2004 8 months ago
was that tree of folders empty? or it contained picures? If you have pictures please archive the root folder and post a link to it...please...
XTYNoLuck 9 months ago
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XTYNoLuck 9 months ago
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Novel about an alternative view of evolution see video book trailer
dltanner99 10 months ago
Same old outdated arguments from PCS 2. That is really the equivalent of asking "If America was colonized by the British, then why do the British still exist?" Men of his kind should REALLY understand how exactly the science works before they try to attack it.
grungefreak10 11 months ago
Actually it appears that testudines lost their frenestrae and are considered to be nestled within eureptilia. Just thought i would mention it.
CanberraReptileSanc 1 year ago
I wonder if Geerup gave up or if AronRa quit wasting his time with him?
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
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+100 cool points!
June28July 1 year ago
Ah Dinosaurs... theres no way my childhood self would ever have suspected science would come to show that many more dinosaurs had feathers then just the ones with feathery wings.
GeoRyukaiser 1 year ago
to all creatonists-if you dont accept evoluiton why are there so many birds with wings that cant fly, or can barely fly- turkey, chickens (kinda fly), emus, ostriches, penguins, or animals that live on land that have webbed feet like dogs? why do we have tailbones? would this not in a sense be transitions.
420simpson 1 year ago
@420simpson Most will ignore the question and/or try a red herring. Some will say that it is part of God's divine plan. Some will blame Satan. Some will say that it is because of "original sin". A few will say that these traits are really important and that science has yet to find the reason. A rare few will even make up functions for vestigial traits on the spot.
My personal favorite is to ask them what kind of incompetent up designer who gave whales lungs instead of gills.
greyman000 1 year ago
I love your videos, but I wish they were numbered so I could tell what order to watch them in
guendoloena1 1 year ago
Haven't changed??? MY ASS!!!
MrMZaccone 1 year ago
Imagine being captured by a giant ape, then being suffocated while that giant ape calls you a dinosaur and plays shitty music...
mmmmmarcus 1 year ago
Sorry, the term is ecto, meaning they obtain heat from outside of their bodies
dangil125 1 year ago
Wait, lizards ARENT DINOSAURS?
Shit... it's going to take a good while to de-brainwash myself from that hollywood hogwash.
Paur 1 year ago
@Paur hollywood is not a source of learning. That would be universities and those well educated like Aronra.
RockSmithStudio 1 year ago
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@RockSmithStudio @Paur "hollywood is not a source of learning. That would be universities and those well educated like Aronra."
I think library also good place. :)
GeneralCalculus 1 year ago
can someone teach VFX how to take a screenshot , so he doesnt shoot the computer screen ?
tekhiun 1 year ago
OMG Geerup seems to be incredibly uneducated.
Ekenedil 1 year ago
the more succesful a creature of earth is ,the lesser it needs to evolve Geerup.
crocodiles lived before the dinosaurs and are still here today after the dinosaurs, and they hardly changed in appearance.
this is because they are a very succesfull predator and it doesnt need to adapt.
ImmortalUniverse 1 year ago
@ImmortalUniverse I totally agree with you, but just oooooooone little thing :P
Crocodilians apparently didn't look crocodile-like until the Jurassic, before that they were more like little lizards scampering about. Any "crocodile" fossil you see from before the jurrasic is probably a phytosaur.
PraetorianMan 1 year ago
ImmortalUniverse 1 year ago
@ImmortalUniverse Well they were certainly never lizards, but they were and are reptiles. Crocodilia is an Order within the Class Reptilia, which makes them reptiles. Aves and Crocodilia are the only living descendants of Archosauria (which is a clade within Reptilia). Furthermore, Aves falls below Theropoda and within Dinosauria, which makes them dinosaurs.
Juxtaroberto 1 year ago
@AronRa I was doing a palaeo-painting and I wanted to be as accurate as humanly possible, and looking up Haasiophis led me to some other great examples, so thank you very much! I would assume you've heard about the recent proposal that Mosasaurs may have had shark-like tails?
Vegavis 1 year ago
@Vegavis There was a crocodilian with a fluked tail, and a precursor to ichthyosaurs which looked a lot like a Mosasaur, but otherwise, no. I am not aware of any mosasaur with a fluked tail.
AronRa 1 year ago 8
@AronRa Concerning birds, I'm curious as to which evolutionary flight model you would tend to support (WAIR, pouncing proavis, arboreal, etc)? Personally, I much prefer the cursorial 'ground up' model, for various reasons. What is your opinion on the matter?
On another note, I don't suppose you know any examples of Cretaceous squamates?
Vegavis 1 year ago
@Vegavis My favorite Cretaceous squamates are Haasiophis terrasanctus and virtually any Mosasaur.
AronRa 1 year ago
(cont) and... (what I assume) in two different species and then evolving on? Or did it evolve in one, then regressing again in some and evolved fully in others?
If they evolved in two or more species are there any explanations as to why they are similar if not identical?
All this makes me wanna know more... damn you reality, you win again!
smuppa 1 year ago
Aron, in the part where you talk about why lizards are not dinosaurs and especially about the legs I started to try and think about what animals have those kind of legs.
I might be wrong but aren't the hindlegs of most quadruped animals shaped (and function?) the same way? The only thing differing is the foot part?
I *do* realise that there are quite a few other things that differ as well but if they are not related at all, did that leg construction appear on two different occasions and (cont)
smuppa 1 year ago
@smuppa Lizards have pentadactyl digigrade legs in a posture that is splayed out to the side. The legs of birds and non-avian dinosaurs -whether therapod or any other sort- are quite a bit different than the legs of any lizard. So I'm not sure what you mean.
AronRa 1 year ago 5
@AronRa You know, reading through my question I am not really sure either any more... if I ever was.
I might be trying to compare apples and pears or skipped a step in the thought process.
What I think I might have meant to ask is: If I understand it correctly, birds are the only living descendants of dinosaurs. In my layman eyes, bird legs (or therapod legs for that matter) are very similar to quadruped animals hind legs in the way they move and are jointed and such (cont)
smuppa 1 year ago
@AronRa If they are similar or identical, is it uncommon for nature to evolve similar functionalities/constructions in two different species or is it a major wow factor?
Hope it makes sorta sense.
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Noisegator 1 year ago
@smuppa When similar structures or functions appear in widely different lineages, that is called "convergent evolution". For instance bats, birds and beetles all evolved flight, even though they are in widely separated taxonomic categories. Google it or check out the wiki entry for more info. The entry also touches on divergent and parallel evolution, for further consideration.
Noisegator 1 year ago
@Noisegator Cheers man, I will have a look at it :)
smuppa 1 year ago
@AronRa Any chance that you might do a bit on the "Third Eye" aka Parietal eye that is in reference to the "what good is half a eye argument heard from creationists? Carolina anole (Anolis carolinensis) as well as Bullfrog (Rana catesbeiana),These animals already have two fully functional eyes. Seems this would make a good argument for adaptation in very small steps. Just wondering. Keep up the good work.
Cougar139tweak 11 months ago
@AronRa Since you're a Paleontologist, what is your take on the Evolution of species? Phyletic Gradualism or Punctuated Equilibrium?
I think that Gould over complicated the reason why there are sometimes abrupt fossils within the record, simply because of the rarity of the circumstances needed for them to form. 2 Centuries ago, the Carrier Pigeon numbered in the millions throughout the Americas, they are extinct today yet how many fossils do we expect from them?
pat5168 3 months ago
@pat5168 I am not actually a paleontologist. I still have a straight job. But I did explain punk eek in at 4:12 of this video on evolutionary law: /watch?v=wH8LOQAu-5I
AronRa 3 months ago
@AronRa Yeah I misunderstood what you said in another video but I looked at the script and you said your were a student of paleontology. I have a question, are there significant transitional forms of bird's bones and dinosaurs?
pat5168 3 months ago
@pat5168 In the 9th FFoC, I show a list of avian and saurian traits including those held in common.
AronRa 3 months ago
@pat5168
You're thinking of the Passager Pidgeon. We stillhave Carrier pidgeons. We shouldn't expect any fossils of Passsager Pidgeons for the factthat-for one-being a extinction caused by man very recently in Earth's history-none of the bones had a chance to be buried by any natural forces. Many of these birds were eaten and their bones thrown away as such and the bones werr destroyed. Then of course the time for fossilization goes against it as well. You have an otherwise sound question.
NUTCASE71733 3 months ago
LOL, Geerup the ape. awesome. Well done.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
"Evolution is really really really really slow"
But not as slow as creationists are on the uptake.
Macrochenia 1 year ago
5:26 should be "ectothermic", no?
Eyedunno 1 year ago
Oh, looking at the comments, it seems you noticed. Why not insert an annotation then?
Eyedunno 1 year ago
This is why I don't mind when creationists attempt to use "science" to further their beliefs. All it does is compel people who DO know what they're talking about to make great videos which gives me lots a great content to watch. Thanks creationists!
All creationist jabbing aside, my REAL thanks goes out to AronRa of course!
eyeammi 1 year ago
Wow. Just wow. I certainally learnt something, even if Geerup didn't.
KaOtoko 1 year ago
I like this guy, at least he is being very respectful in his rebuttle....I'll definitely watch more of AronRa's videos
However I don't get why he says we have seen some macroevolution happen at our present time, but only linked a webpage and didn't really explain to much on it at 4:17 he also talks about ways to trace clues in the present to find out about the past, but didn't really go into it how this happens....I'm also not a big fan of statistics....but overall this was a good video
coolst0rybro 1 year ago
@coolst0rybro For the observance of macroevolution, see my video on the 11th Foundational Falsehood of Creationism. Any more specific questions you have I'll be glad to answer.
AronRa 1 year ago 2
@AronRa
Thank you
coolst0rybro 1 year ago
@AronRa
There is a good newScientist article called 'Small fry go big time' on the NS site.
It describes cichlid macro evolution in an African lake. which occured over 20 years due to strong selective pressure and a new environment when the lake was polluted.
It is a really clear example describing how the fish evolved eyes that see in the infra red etc.
marsCubed 1 year ago
does anyone know witch movie it is at 4:50?
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@thedayitriedtodie The movie at 4:50 is 'Office Space'.
AronRa 1 year ago
@AronRa
thanks! :)
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@AronRa
just saw it yesterday, it's real fun, but kinda craps in the end... low budget productions, lol.
i loved dwight's mentor, the guy who burns down the place...
good stuff.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
I'm a paleontology student and I still get tired of people saying that dinosaurs and lizards are the same thing. I almost feel like smacking them.
amorphousguy 1 year ago
@amorphousguy Have a heart and cut us ignorant lay people some slack over the lizard confusion. When we ask, as I did as a child, what dinosaur actually means that's what we hear: terrible lizard.
People generally don't like it either if you tell them that peanuts are not nuts, that bananas are berries but strawberries and raspberries are not, or that the Theory of Relativity was NOT by Einstein (who penned Special & General Theories of R).
queenastilon 1 year ago
offuce space is fucking killer
TheNorskestolthet 1 year ago
@TheNorskestolthet
Time for your meeting with the Bob's.
dudev 1 year ago
geerup... as usual for the theistic mnded pretending to know things he cannot pssibly know.
Why make such assertions without even bothering to study the subject area in which you make your assertion? It's at best ignorant and at worst willfully dishonest!
seansalvador1 1 year ago
Dude that was one ugly monkey!
SilveradoNL 1 year ago
i love the part with the traces of sex in the dust on the hood of the car =)) you're awesome dude, i highly appreciate your knowledge. nothing but respect for you man! rock an and hard! \m/
veshflanders 1 year ago
This whole dinosaurs became birds is very shaky unproven wishful thinking, of artist renderings and little or no fossil record... except in your dreams.... No insult, but for gosh sakes get a haircut; how old are you? Gee man when you are as old and wrinkled as you are, long hair just looks stupid and creepy. STOP BLAMING "Creationist" (what ever that means) on all the contradictions and inconsistencies in your theory. Just becasue you give it a latan name and draw a picture doesn't make it so.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
You want fossils from dinosaurs to birds?
Okay here's a few: Velociraptor-Microraptor-Archaeopteryx-Modern bird.
Velociraptor had many avian features like feathers and hollow bones.
Microraptor had even more and even had the ability to glide like flying squirrels.
Archaeopteryx Was basically a bird with a Dino-head (and teeth) and a long tail.
And you know modern birds or raptors like the Peregrine Falcon.
jxvwp 1 year ago 3
@gmcjetpilot What about the Archeoptarix? Saurian features with feathers, I would argue that that is certainly an example of a transitional form. Not to mention that they share common traits, hollow bones for example.
Darkstar1484 1 year ago 2
@gmcjetpilot God thing all those feathered dinosaurs we keep finding in asia aren't real.
Here's a fun fact, if you introduce vitamin A to a chicken embryo during certain stages of embryonic development, you can actually change the chickens feathers back into scales!
lowcomedy 1 year ago
@lowcomedy
Give me some details, just saying it does not impress me. The last feathered "dinosaur" I saw had scientist fighting like crazy in disagreement. It was a few fragments that became artist sketches and creative model making. Ref or citation?
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Chicken with scales? Like to see that. How is injecting vitamin A relevant? Proof? Ref or citation?
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Do a google search for feathered dinosaurs.
The scales during embryonic development: Thulborn. A 1985. Birds as neotenous dinosaurs. New Zealand Geological Survey record 9:90-2.
Referenced in Evolution: Design Without Intelligence by Ken Macnamara and John Long.
Also, look up sinosauropteryx.
lowcomedy 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Don't assert science as being a bunch of contradictions and inconstancies when you clearly don't even understand the subject yourself. Please look up "Palaeontology: Feathered dinosaurs in a tangle", "Protein Sequences from Mastodon and Tyrannosaurus Rex Revealed by Mass Spectrometry", "The Dinosauria", "Early evolution of avian flight and perching".
That is just a small fraction of evidence of the link between birds and dinosaurs. It's not even news now, its common sense - -.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
I studied the feathered dinosaurs, a few bone fragments scientist wildly disagree on...Yawn. I'm all for evolution, don't worship it; study it all you want but don't exaggerate.
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Personally I think evolution is a colossal waste of time, doesn't cure cancer, solve the energy crisis, global warming, world islamic terrorism or put an iPhone in my hand. Sorry JUST stating NAMES for authority doesn't impress me. I'm too old, too educated in science to be fooled. "NAMING IT" IS NOT TRUTH.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
I asked the other person to prove it.... give me proof, reference, facts, data, details.... you fail in debate 101...
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
I just did? You are clearly set on arguing against evolution, so much so you don't even bother to read the actual science. That is who people consider an idiot? A theory in science btw, is not the same as your laypersons definition of theory. A theory in science has been wrung through the strictest form of investigations known to man, it is as close to fact as anything could ever be on our planet. The fact that you want us to prove a theory shows your ignorance of the very subject.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
I'm for science & theories. I went BIG BOY school kid, two master's degrees, physics & mathematics, undergrad mechanical engineering, real science & logic. Evolution is the leading theory and could be disproved. There are flaws. (How dare I!) That's OK. I don't worship it like you. It's not that important. Ecology seems way too subjective. AronRa gives lots of impressive Taxonomy definitions & “sketches”, grand extrapolations beyond the observed, which scientist disagree on.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
"Evolution is the leading theory and could be disproved. "
Yes, it could easily be disproved, but hasn't been. Have you found the bunny in the pre-Cambrian yet? No? Then go look for it. I'm sure it will make baby Jeebus happy.
Or perhaps, have you seen rats giving birth to dogs? That event, which you cretards claim would prove evolution, would actually DISPROVE it!
Damn, you cretards are so full of fail but baby Jeebus made you too dumb to even realize it! xD
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@Akatam0t0ma
"but hasn't been (disproved)"
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That's illogical. You can't disprove things you haven't proved. There are MANY failures in the grand Evolution study (which is way more than just fossil records which have their own Oh Shit problems). They just make new theories (which conflict). You're an uneducated philistine. How old are you? Your highest grade level achieved?
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I WON THE DEBATE! You can't prove evolution by attacking Jesus. Science doesn't prove or disprove God or substitue.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@Akat
I Challenge you. In your own words explanation & PROVE evolution from A to Z, from life spontaneously came into being from inanimate matter by chance, multiplied, divided, grew legs, crawled out of the primordial ooze to become all plants, animals, sea life, reptiles, birds, insects and MAN. Give me the smoking gun proving MAN is a random fluke of the universe, Son of Apes. If you win, I'll help get you an honorary Doctorate from the University my Wife is a board member on.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
There are plenty of people much smarter and of greater aptitude than myself which explain evolution far better than I ever could. But those videos are meant for people who can rub two synapses together, not for people so willfully ignorant who would think their favorite magic book in which they believe ONLY by accident of birth contains more scientific knowledge than all of the world's academies.
But even if I "PROVE" your ridiculous strawman of evolution from A to Z" to you...
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
...why would it even matter? You, like ALL the willfully ignorant and aggressively stupid cretards, have no interest in the truth. You only have an interest in deliberately spreading scientific illiteracy to make the knob of baby Jeebus hard. That's how it is with creationists. Always was and always will be. And which university is it? Is it by chance the same "university" which granted the "doctorate" to Kent Hovind?
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
If it is, then I think I already deserve a doctorate from it for all the YouTube comments I wrote, as they are on a far superior intellectual level than Hovind's "doctorate". But that hardly says anything. Even my 7 year old brother can write a "doctorate" of a higher intellect than Hovind. And since I would prefer to simply buy toilet paper in a commodity store, rather than write for it, I think I will pass on such a doctorate, thank you very much.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
And speaking of proof, evolution, like any other scientific theory, is not proven. The only branch of science in which there is proof is mathematics. All scientific theories outside of mathematics are not proven, they are just theories that have not been disproven. That is, no evidence that would falsify them has been discovered yet. And if you weren't so scientifically illiterate, like the typical creationist, you would have known that. But you obviously don't. SHOCKING!
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
I just used youtubes new comment search feature and I found that you claimed to be a pilot and also a huge history buff that has educated himself in all forms of ancient history while reading 4 history books a year on a muslim video. You are quite the Renaissance man aren't you? But you are not, you are just another lying dishonest creationist, typical. Get lost, your talks of logic are childish and ridiculous. Why don't you assert some of those notions on yourself? What a liar.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
The problem, your fanatical! Does life depend on it? What education do you have to evaluate something as grand, complex, convoluted & diverse as what the is called "Evolution"? I have an engineering/science background, my wife's a Doctor, my hobby is reading scientific periodicals, many of which are shallow, trivial, superficial and equivalent to a gossip rag at the grocery store check out. It's interesting and some times factual but who cares and often it's BULL SHIT. People believe BS.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
I don't have faith in “evolution”, It's SCIENCE, must prove the theory, a grand one needing grand proof. If you have faith evolution is a forgone conclusion, fine, not very scientific. It's just mans only theory FOR NOW, might change. I'm apathetic, not impressed. People conflate skepticism of evolution with religion, which really tells me it's a religion for them, apologetics more than science. I love science, math too much to see it corrupted by "philosophy", aka mental masturbation.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
You claim to have 2 masters in physics and mathematics but I doubt you ever took a science class ever in your life. No, I'm sure you've taken high school science but probably was a bad student.
Why do I say that? Because of this notion you have of proving science. You don't even understand what theory means, there is evidence already for evolution, many things have already been proven, but we cannot say it is definitive end all fact, therefore it is called a theory of evolution.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
I dig down into it, seems "evolution" is "faith based". I'm for faith in God, who is by faith alone but a practical philosophy, way of living life. Jesus Christ for me is an awesome dude by all secular and Biblical historical accounts who wrote a best selling book of all time. I can't live my life by Plesiosaurus (cool drawings and imagination, based on shaky data? subjective narrative which all is forced to fit). We just don't have the answers which takes humility which y'all lack.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
Skepticism of "evolution" is not only honest, healthy & needed, it's just science. I don't personally care. The house of cards called Evolution could fall tomorrow; it wouldn't matter. If Aliens landed, said we're an experiment, that would change my life. In fact some scientist (& frauds like Dawkins) allude to alien seeding. WTF? ABG (Anything But God) Haha what ever. You need humility, sense of humor, tolerance for those who don't have your “faith”; if it doesn't hurt you, shut up.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
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@gmcjetpilot:
"Skepticism of "evolution" is not only honest, healthy & needed, it's just science"
But you see, you and the rest of your cretard assclown ilk are NOT being skeptical. You already made up your mind in accordance with the magic book in which you believe by accident of birth, and think that anyone who treats it as anything less than self-evident must somehow be living in denial. Religion is as religion does.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
"In fact some scientist (& frauds like Dawkins) allude to alien seeding."
Yeah, alien seeding is far more likely than the sky-daddy of your favorite magic book in whom you believe by accident of birth. But unlike you and the rest of the aggressively ignorant cretard crew who want your favorite creation myth to be treated as self-evident, Dawkins merely speculates about the alien seeding and does not require anyone to suspend his judgement.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@Akatam0t0ma
"Yeah, alien seeding is far more likely than the sky-daddy "
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That's your opinion, and you are in a tiny tiny minority my dear rebelling child. Christianity is based on historical facts, data, real historical figure, Jesus Christ for which we have archaeological and text artifacts to prove it. To dismiss it shows you to be a cretin, philistine.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@Akatam0t0ma
"Yeah, alien seeding is far more likely than the sky-daddy "
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You never studied history, philosophy, anthropology, archeology, linguistics or theology. PhD's in these fields, scholars have no problem with Christianity and praise the teachings of Jesus Christ historical accuracy of the Bible, which is a reliable document. God could have "seeded". We don't know.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@Akatam0t0ma
Albert Einstein:
Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.”
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The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
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“There are people who say there is no God, but what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
You do understand that quoting Einstein as being an agnostic does not prove anything. He was clearly against strong atheism, one who asserts the position of there cannot be a god. General atheism is the position of a disbelief in a god, completely different ideas.
Still, none of these proves your deity, so what's your point?
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
It proves Einstein HATED Atheist, respected Jesus, was a "cosmic spiritualist" who felt the energy, order in the universe, knew statistics of it just happening were nil. Personal God? So what.
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“...Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible laws and connections, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this foce beyond anything we can comprehend is my religion.” Albert Einstein
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
Oh, you wanna quote Einstein in desperate attempt to salvage your favorite set of mythology from being sucked into the dustbin of history? You wanna quote Einstein? Here's one for which you and the rest of your cretard assclowns serve a fine case in point:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former"
If all you have is logical fallacies to defend your religion, its future doesn't look very bright.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@Akatam0t0ma
I'm neither desperate nor salvaging as I win this debate and you flail helplessly with gems like "Oh, you wanna.." Yes I "wanna":
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“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of nature–a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort.” Albert Einstein
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
Again, why should I care about the personal opinions of Einstein on the matter? The fact that this quote doesn't even pertain to speak about the god in which you happen tobelieve by accident of birth doesn't help your argument much either. But then, nothing ever does when it comes to creationism.
And you trying to make a case by pointing out at how I spelled a certain word serves once again to demonstrate you for the intellectually vacuous cretard assclown that you are.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
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@Akatam0t0ma
"Oh, you wanna.." Yes I "wanna":
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“The fanatical atheists…are creatures who cannot hear the music of the spheres. I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist. What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos.” Albert Einstein
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@Akatam
"cretard assclowns"
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See my "You are rubber I am glue, what you say bounces off and sticks to you”, law.
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Suck it, save the ad hominems / non sequitur / straw man / subject changing. YOU FAIL! Prove evolution to me, explain. Don't drag Jesus, personal faith, spiritual belief in it. I'm not defending, I'm skeptical of evolution. I don't give a shit about your opinion. Believe what you want, FACTS PLEASE. Explain evolution & why you blindly believe with out a fucking clue.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
Again, why should I waste my time explaining evolution to someone who doesn't give a flying monkey shit about reality? The reason I'm responding to you is to expose you for the asshole who is full of shit that you really are, lest some innocent bystander who comes across this video and reads your comments doesn't even for a split second will be mistaken to think that you have any valid point to make, when you don't. Ain't life's a bitch when people aren't fooled by your bullshit?
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@Akatam
Why bring Jesus into it? You don't believe? Fine, live your heathen sodomite life and shut up boy. As far as my beliefs I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. You have NO SAY. This video is about Ecology, taxonomy. I don't need to defend the default majority position, GOD! Did it occur to you, that you are wrong? You claim Jesus isn't God? proof, data, facts... religion is faith, spirituality, personal, no proof is needed. I know it's true because I see the affect on my life an others.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
For someone who doesn't care what other people think, you seem to be pretty determined to poison other people's minds with your aggressive willful ignorance, like other creationists. But ultimately, you only end up doing us a service by being a case-in-point to Hitchens' book subtitle. After all, your mini-messiah, the Hovindian cretard VenomFangX didn't get the nickname PCS-Posterboy for Creationist Stupidity for nothing, as by being such, and having "wanted posters" in form of...
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
nothing, as by being such, and having "wanted posters" in form of...
...video responses posted all over town saying "look out for this asshole, he's full of shit", he did more service for rationalism, reason and science better than any free thinker ever could.
And you claim that "GOD" is the "default majority position" is laughable, firstly, because belief in the gods without a shred of evidence is NOT the default position, and the fact that you claim it is once again serves...
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot:
"ABG (Anything But God) Haha what ever."
Since the idea of god is inherently unfalsifiable, it cannot be treated as scientific, no matter how much you and the rest your your aggressively ignorant cretard crew want it to be otherwise. Yeah, I know that Karl Popper, who came up with this idea was just some God-Gating Austrian Atheist Lutheran Jew and came up with it just to make baby Jeebus sad in the pants, but that's just the way it is. Deal with it and move on.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
@Ak
Look cretin your language, crazy loony ranting is a powerful kind of asininity that leaves me speechless. Prove evolution or shut up. Prove atheism is real.
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Atheism doesn't lead to science or deep thinking.
Science doesn't prove or disprove God.
Science isn't a substitution for spirituality which transcends this dimension in space/time. AronRA said you're a descend of a raccoon! Ha ha. I like being created in Gods image. You do prove you're a fluke of the universe, son of a monkey.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Do you apply this same notion of disbelief on gravity as well? The theory of gravity is merely a theory after all, I mean, it's not like we've already found evidence for it. Your several wall of texts isn't helping your case either.
You can't prove atheism, you don't even know what atheism means?! What in the world are you doing on this board. Atheism is generally understood as the disbelief in a deity, what do we need to prove? You need to prove to us you dodo head, /facepalm.
yoops 1 year ago
@yo
We (scientist) don't agree on Gravity. As a physicist post grad, this area is debated. Popular theory simply put, is a distortion in the space/time continuum. It's a fundamental force which Newtonian mechanics describes, doesn't explain. Other theories, quantum mechanics, general relativity and string theory (M-theory) says there are 11 other dimensions all around us right now but can't see. It's beyond your comprehension or education. You don't know who you're talking to, do you. facepalm.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
No, I perfectly know who I am talking to, a creationist who uses google. So, does that mean you apply your same notion of disbelief in a theory merely because it is a theory? Since the theory of gravity is a theory, that obviously must mean it isn't true, in line with your previous posts, not with your copy paste.
I know you aren't a scientist, don't claim to be, your posts on youtube contradict one another constantly, you're a habitual liar. Tell me what work you've been doing?
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
No wrong dip shit. I am not a "creationist". What does that even mean.... is that religion. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, and it's painfully apparent I am some parental parent figure you are rebelling at, spewing your foul vile ignorant insolent mouth. I asked you how old are you and highest grade level?.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Lol, your use of grammar and sentence structure belies your supposed education, idiot. You are not talking as an adult but more of a selfish whiny child. The fact that you ignored all the contradictions you've made so far reinforces that idea. Creationism is the religious belief that everything was created by a supernatural force, now you know.
Why don't you admit the fact that you don't understand atheism, the scientific process and scientific theories? Stop pretending.
yoops 1 year ago
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@yoops
"Lol, your use of grammar and sentence structure belies your supposed education, idiot."
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My writing is inappreciable, witty and brilliant. You can't write a compete sentence. You must be on your period lady, because all you do is whine like a little bitch, waa waa snif. I don't care what you think of religion. You're an idiot. Also get out of your homosexual closet.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
I never said a theory is wrong because it's a theory you liar. It does not mean its a RULE or LAW either. Who knows in 100 or 1000 years what man will know.
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I'm not a scientist, any more. I worked for Boeing Space and Defense as an Engineer and mathematician, pilot instructor. My master's thesis was heat transfer and structural analysis of carbon composite materials in aerospace structures using numerical methods. I'm an now Airline pilot flying Boeing 757/767 SFO. YOU?
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
"Atheism is generally understood as the disbelief in a deity, what do we need to prove?"
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WHY NOT? You claim you KNOW there's no God. That's illogical. Prove it. Clearly you know nothing of religion. You look foolish, ignorant, prejudice, bigoted. You scream rebelling Child. Simply put I win the debate, won every point and proved you have anal retentive issues. Son, the universe does not revolve around your anus. It's called freedom of speech. You don't like it, sue me, but grow up.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Now this is the real you, not the copy pasta version, this is the gmcjetpilot idiot we all know to be true.
A disbelief in a god is not an assertion that we know there is no god. It simply means we have no belief until evidence arises. Any educated atheist will all answer the same, that we cannot prove there is no god. So you are right there, but you are arguing against your own misaligned idea of atheism rather than us.
How about you understand what atheism means first dunce cap
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
"A disbelief in a god is not an assertion that we know there is no god. It simply means we have no belief until evidence arises"
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You concede. You admit and believe there could be a God, higher power, designer, NOT everything happen out of no where for no reason by random chance and accident. Good. Why all the ranting and vitriol towards people who believe in God? It makes no sense. You're either a psycho sociopath nut job or just an immature kid who is clueless who may be Gay?
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Hey, moron, could does not equate to is.
I do not concede to YOUR point because anything can be possible. Just because something is possible doesn't make it real at this point in time, that is what your mind simply cannot grasp for some reason. You know what else is possible? The possibility of NO GOD, yea wow your mind is blown I bet.
Thank you for revealing your religious bigotry against homosexuals, only gay people think about gay thoughts, that is you in this conversation ;).
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
Hey moron blah blah blah... fuck you kid.
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Religious bigotry> WHAT. I asked you if you are gay... Is that a bad thing? Did I say it was bad? I think you SHOWED YOUR bigotry, you homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic anti-Christ anti-semitic prejudice bigot.. So are you gay or not. I have several gays who work for me ass hole. I grew up in new orleans and know a lot of gays. I also have been married since 1985 and have two kids. My wife is a Doctor. So again fuck you punk.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
el oh el
yoops 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Can you please call in to The Atheist Experience show? I would love to see Matt Dilahunty shut you down on public broadcast, but of course you would never have the balls say any of these things on live television so it's probably just my wishful thinking.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
Matt Dilahunty? I know him kid. What do these atheist talk about? Deep thinking, solving global warming, energy crisis, cancer, how to help the poor? NO THEY ATTACK (very ignorantly) OTHER PEOPLES BELIEF. They have NO desire to learn. Why do you let the devil tell you about your Saviour? Why don't you read the Bible yourself,
take an adult Bible class at a local church, cost nothing, no pressure to join. What are you afraid of?
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
You are very childish, I can't believe you have children, I feel immensely sorry for them. Actually I was indoctrinated into christianity from birth, but once I reached an age where I was able to form my own coherent ideas, I started researching other religions and ideas, I transitioned to an agnostic where I later found atheism. I'm glad I was able to break free from my mental prison that was religion, sadly, you are still trapped like an angry caged animal that lashes out.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
"You are very childish"
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... bite me dimwit.
Troll away you little jerkoff ... dance for me puppet, dance ... So it was never
about "SCIENCE" or taxonomy. It was all about you using me as a surrogate to exercise you hate for God on ... I DON'T CARE! SHUT UP ... I stopped reading your post, 20 post ago you fruitcake ... Most of them were illiterate and unreadable any way. You are going to have a harsh and unhappy life if you don't learn to respect others kid.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Who's the one going all capslock yelling at people to shutup, insulting them, then acting like a child by playing the victim. Man you are very confused, and I really feel for your children and then talk about respect? Why should anybody respect you with your attitude? Lol, you crack me up.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
Who would spend their time attacking peoples belief. If I was an agnostic I would NOT BOTHER. To each his own. Scholars studied the bible for TWO millenniums. God is here and is NEVER GOING AWAY NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WANT IT. I have studed the Bible for 25 yrs with PhD's for teachers. Matt douche bag is not going to make me lose my faith. Sorry I heard his lies; he's just wrong.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
And don't bother to lie about your education, really? You studied the bible with teachers who held PhD's? Wow, another lie coming from a habitual liar.
I was as irrational as you were when I was a crazy fundie, I know how you people think, you think it is ok to lie and use every deceitful motive in the book to get your points across, no matter how unreasonable they may be. Your head is so up your ass that you even deceive yourself! A very sad state to be in, and your posts show.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
I don't care what you think. Some of my Bible teachers have PdD's in theology. Every Pastor of every church my wife have attended, has at least a Masters in Divinity, Theology. They go to Seminary, learn history, phylosphy, languages, Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic and of course the Bible. Jesus isn't for idiots. Bible requires reading and thinking, which you don't do. Also prayer helps.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
"Your head up your ass "
You can't control yourself can you? You little cowards expect you can say anything you want and there's no consequences. Well coward someone is going to kick ass, so watch your mouth boy. Shit happens. We're just human, sinners. You idiot trolls goad people amd need a good dope slap. I don't want to offend you, so just shut up. You don't beleive, I GOT IT! SHUT UP! Who cares what you think about anything. Who the f are you? NO BODY.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@yoops
Search YT for Kabane the Christian and his Matt Dilahunty debate. BTW is Matt your gay lover? You think he's a brilliant scholar and pleasant? I would NEVER call that arrogant ass hole. He's a bully that GETS OFF ON ATTACKING CHRISTIANS. He lies and is just ignorant. People like you can be fooled. What if I showed you one or ten cases where Matt lied. Would you keep believing him? Jesus never lies. I am OK if you don't believe, but don't lie and take others to hell with you.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
I haven't heard him make any claims that could be considered a lie, in fact all I see him doing is refute religious claims. You consider that lying? I would love to see this video with Matt supposedly lying, I can't imagine what though since as an atheist he doesn't assert any position. But I have time to spare to be amused, please link me the video.
yoops 1 year ago
@yoops
"I haven't heard him make any claims that could be considered a lie, "
You would not know... you don't know anything about Jesus or the Bible. See link below.
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"atheist he doesn't assert any position."
That is a lie, atheist assert an anti-Christ, anti-religious propaganda. Here is a teenager taking deconstructing the "atheist experience". Deception is satans main tool, he's the father of lies.
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Matt Dillahunty caught in a lie on Atheist experience show
watch?v=B7XgA0YLVF8
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot
Caught in a lie?
watch?v=O7f5qXoHUS8&feature=related
Nah. Shockofgod caught in bullshit.
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@Hjernespreng
Don't call me a liar you liar. Just because you're wrong & reference other liars does not make truth. State my error and give reference and reliable documentation of why I'm wrong, other wise piss off kid. Atheist are KNOWN LIARS, bigots and just mean hateful people to ANYONE who doesn't think like they do. Go away fascist thought nazi bigot. Again discussion or fossils makes ATHEIST (who worship it with out understanding) attack Christian's, proof atheist are INSANE or stupid!
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
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@gmcjetpilot
I never called you a liar. However, since you claim that I said you was lying when I wasn't then that means you are lying now!
CREATIONISTS are known liars! They are dishonest and won't admit when they are wrong.
You are either incredibly fucking stupid or you are just a fake troll. I hope you are the latter.
Hjernespreng 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot Godwin's law FTL.
Also, don't deny evidence because it is evidence. That just outright PROVES protective stupidity, by denying (or deluding) the fact as fact. Hey, just like 1984!
DMXP100 1 year ago
@DMXP100
"Goodwin's Law" GAME OVER. That proves it. You win? What ever you wrote is fantastic! You have changed my life. I'll have to forget about the 1000's of failures in "evolution theory", no direct evidence one species begot another. I BELIEVE species do evolve, with in a species. However I have never seen one species begot another totally NEW KIND. IF YOU THINK all life came from nothing and one common origin (by it self) fine. Ha ha ha ha.
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Read the BIBLE it's evidence, don't deny it.
gmcjetpilot 1 year ago
@gmcjetpilot I had a feeling you were going to say that. You see, I HAVE read the Bible, and my opinion (as a Catholic, mind you) is that evolution is perfectly possible.
The Bible isn't all literal fact; you have to realize this. Most of the Bible is meant to be seen as an extended parable, with a hidden moral hidden in the text.
Oh, and even though there are "thousands" of failures in refining evolution theory, try explaining the hundreds of thousands of failures in creationism theory.
DMXP100 1 year ago
@DMXP100
Hang on... which parts do you take as parable or metaphor? How do you know which bits to choose from?
Leavin gthat aside for the moment, what exact moral lessons can possibly be learned from such 'parables' as jesus' death (vicarious redemption), original sin, the parts where Jesus seems to say murder is fine (in Luke), the prodigal son (this is morality?) etc?
Most of the so called 'parables' are supposed to be moral lessons but those lessons are rarely described...
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 Personally, what makes logical sense may have been historical fact (i.e. Jesus Christ, who has been proven, I think, to have lived 2000 years ago), and what doesn't make logical sense may be a stealth parable (i.e. Noah's Ark representing God's promise to humanity, so long as humanity holds their end of the "deal").
Really, though, it's up to the reader's interpretation. What is or isn't fact is debatable, but the truth is that the Bible is not complete historical fact.
DMXP100 1 year ago
@DMXP100
The existence of the historical Jesus has not been proven at all! I don't know why you would say that...
Although i do believe he existed. I he were simply completely made up... sheer fantasy, then why would they have to lie about the census that caused him to be born in Bethlehem instead of just lying and saying he was born there anyway?
If he was a completely fictional carachter then surely they would have just claimed he was born in Bethlehem... instead of lying about the census
seansalvador1 1 year ago
@seansalvador1 I thought that Jesus was proven to have lived 2000 years ago. I heard that part off-hand somewhere.
DMXP100 1 year ago
@DMXP100
Well don't believe everything you hear and certainly don't repeat it as though it were fact!
No. There is no proof that he ever lived. That is certain.
seansalvador1 1 year ago