I believe in the trinity and believe Jesus is God. the trinity just means that in the one God of the universe , there are 3 people. Father. spirit, son. they are all God but in his different forms
@123surger Contradictions of the trinity. 1. The word trinity is not in the Bible nor is triune, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Red flags right off. 2. The "trinity" is not in the OT any where. 3. The Son or Jesus is not in the OT any where. 4. The Holy Ghost never speaks, a mute person. 5. Why is it the unforgivable sin to blaspheme one "person" but not the others? 6. If Jesus is coequal then why did he have to pray to the Father for strength? Need I go any further?
My Heavenly Father gave me a revelation about the meaning of 666, the number of the beast. It was yesterday close to 6:00 PM. I was thinking about the mark of the beast and suddenly, the Light came in! It's glorious and it's for this time. Most of the serious Bible scholars know that the words “…in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one”, are in fact an apocryphal addition to the original text, that can be traced back as far as the 16th Century.
The added words "these three are one" MATCH PERFECTLY Revelation 13:16 "Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six. (American Standard Version) The Trinity Doctrine is the name of the beast. That meaning can be understood more likely in all the languages of the world, even chinese, korean, japanese, that could not understant the earlier explanations with the Latin Language.
i feel sorry for the oneness people..... its really very sad... i grew up without a father.. and now that i have met Jesus i have also met the Father and the Spirit and let me tell you they are not the same and i so much enjoy having a personal relationship with the Father it's such a blessing to get to know the Father on such a personal meaning emotional deep loving level... the Father... oh Abba... and then the fact that i get to know the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost in such a different way..
but still with just as much love and meaning and it's such a blessing to be able to know God in whole and yet to be able to know the Father and Jesus and the Spirit each in there own way it breaks my heart to know that the Fathers love reaches out to these people that the Spirit wants to lead them as Jesus is calling them by name and yet they miss out on so much simply just because they deny them... i denied them for a long time before i met God when i was unsaved i denied God all together...
but when i met God for the first time i felt and i knew that the blood of Jesus had washed me clean and i knew and felt the Spirit that had touched me so and i finally knew and felt the Father that got to hold His little girl!!!! and now that i have been filled with the Spirit oh to pray in the Spirit not just in Jesus but also to Jesus in the Spirit the Holy Spirit to know all three of them on such a personal level
these apostolic's are truly missing out on such a great gift and as i spoke of Father holding His little girl my heart broke for the oneness people they don't know this side of God they have yet to cry Abba Father to the Father and my heart breaks for them with tears of burning burden and my heart breaks for them ohhh Father draw them call them and touch them Jesus touch them and guide them Holy Ghost for only God can show them such a truth I'm not here to debate
I'm just one little girl washed in the blood of Jesus filled the Spirit and held in the Fathers arms and strong in God alone and I'm here to show you there doesn't have to be hate just a burning heart filled with a burden of sorrow while letting know just how much i care may God lead you to the everlasting truth and in Jesus name amen....
@kiekie84 Well I am. I personally have studied the Quran and bible and I say the bible we have today doesn't stand up to the test of authenticity, free of corruption, errors, and changes. If you want to base your faith on feelings go ahead, but this is not how our mind and intellect works.In order to have certainty of faith one must have yakeen (faith based on knowledge/evidences/proof, etc.) only then will the heart believe with certainty. And we are not talking about blind faith here
@NoorminAllah ohhh i don't base my facts on "just" feelings but only a dead God can not be heard touched felt or experienced and my God is not dead but he is Alive you tell me to ask myself to read the quran but let me ask you this have you ever asked yourself..... why is it that at the name of Jesus Christ men and woman are changed drug addicts set free in seconds with no withdraws body's healed in the drop of a heat a man wheeled in a wheelchair calls out the name of a Jesus
and not but a moment later he stands up to walk and his legs and toes begin to move the presence of God floods him and he comes leaping running jumping.... yes there are fakes but i have said before you can't fake a three dollar bill all those fakes only testify of the reel thing what about the real thing when it really happens for real? in the name of Jesus rise up and walk still happens today and God still moves
do you ever hear in the name allah be healed from cancer? or from this and that i don't never.... Jesus defeated death and he owns life the nature you have the bad words that slip out the white lies humans tell the little or big thing humans steal they humans lust it's all inside and only God can change that nature but as you call him allah i tell you now he can not change the nature that runs in our blood only the blood of Jesus can do that you say i should not go by feelings
but i go by feeling fact and truth what fact? i saw myself change right before my eyes i have seen Gods hands do wonders and i have even heard him speak i have felt though i do not go "just" by feeling and i have even seen him heal me... tell me does allah speak to you have you ever heard him? you may say yes but oh the the God that i know if only you knew the things i have witnessed before me i believed and i saw i saw the real thing... and nothing can take that away from me
the bible is alive it speaks to me each letter it pops out and jumps out just when i need it and it tells me everything i need to know words are words but not in the bible and letters that opened up the knowledge of God because they are alive not just simply cuz someone can read it and know about God but because i can read one phrase a thousand times and it in a new light a thousand time :) what a mighty God i serve
@kiekie84 Whoever says God died is saying a tremendous blasphemy. God Almighty is the healer. He is the one who answers prayers. If drug addicts stop using drugs, it is b/c they make the resolution to stop using drug and be clean. People can call out different names all they want, but if it is not the Will of Almighty God-no one will be healed and no one will be touched with illness. God Almighty is the One in control of all the affairs. To Him we belong and to Him we shall return.
@kiekie84 Whoever says God died is saying a tremendous blasphemy. God Almighty is the healer. He is the one who answers prayers. If drug addicts stop using drugs, it is b/c they make the resolution to stop using drug and be clean. People can call out different names all they want, but if it is not the Will of Almighty God-no one will be healed and no one will be touched with illness. God Almighty is the One in control of all the affairs. To Him we belong and to Him we shall return.
@NoorminAllah it is God Almighty Who has appointed a time of death for every single person when the angel of death will come and take the soul. When your father passed away, it was his time when God Almighty decreed.God Almighty wants good for every single person. And He is the Guider and protector. If you ask Him for guidance, help, protection, etc. He alone can do this and He alone fills the void within our hearts and souls. Let's turn to Him for guidance :)
@kiekie84 If you want to know God, read what God says about Himself. Many times people try to make up what they want about God, what they feel or think or assume. If we went on this no one would ever know or agree on Who God is and what are His characteristics so we have to see what He says about Himself. And the only authentic info that can be confirmed is from the Quran. I can get you a free copy if you like. :)
Someone needs to go and learn Church history. The Council of Nicea was not trinitarian discussion but was a debate on the nature of Jesus. This person really needs to go and learn history before posting lies. This Council was held to settle the Arian controversy with 318 bishops present. The Council of Nicea was not about the Trinity. Try reading a book for a change.
@NHBChristianTalk Why would anyone need to do this if the church of Jerusalem and ethiopian and coptic church stood firm on the fact that jesus was not God nor part of God. That he was messenger chosen by God, a prophet, etc.
Jesus/YahuShua/Yeshua is the Father YaHuWaH/YHWH when it says he is the son of God the Father it is not speaking on our terms of Son but it means the perfect image of the Father they are ONE. Jesus will was to do the will of the father yet the trinity says they all the Father, Son, holy spirit all have there own will LIES, ABOMINATIONS BEFORE THE LORD. IT IS ALL THE FATHER YHWH. YahuShua even means YaHuWaH is Salvation when will people stop following the doctrines of men and follow christ
@NoorminAllah and my heart breaks for you too... for even you can not be completely sure of being let into the presences of God and into the beauty of Heaven and the Love of our creator because from what i learned no matter how many good works you do allah could still say no and could still be standing outside the gates never to be let in no matter what Good deeds you do no matter how many you do no matter how big they are
there's still a chance it could all fall to pieces and you could miss out on the glory of heaven oh but i thank God for the the sacrifices of Jesus Christ the blood that paid it all and the power the Father gave Jesus in the Spirit to Jesus from the dead
if i want you to remember anything it's that i love all people even you and the the Father is drawing you nigh to the cross and the spirit surly will lead you there but when you get there it will be empty cuz Jesus is surly risen and He Is ALIVE!! :) may God richly bless you in the knowledge that you seem to not understand.... God bless
@kiekie84 Please put your heart back together. It's not about that. The first and formost thing is YOU MUST HAVE THE CORRECT BELIEF. And the trinity and belief in the divinity of Jesus, etc. will led you to hellfire. Because this is the UNFORGIVABLE sin.1st commandment. Did you ever ask yourself why in judaism and islam this is the fact? That's 2 out of 3. Remember God doesn't change His message nor mind.
THE SENIOR PASTOR TOLD ME TO MY FACE THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH KILLED JESUS HE DIDN'T WANT NONE WE EXCHANGED WORDS AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH IT I TOLD HIM ARE SINS PUT HIM ON THE CROSS JUST BECAUSE THE ROMANS KILLED HIM DOESN'T MEAN THEY WERE ROMAN CATHOLIC EVERYONE OF THE APOSTLES WAS CATHOLIC THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES FOUNDED BY PAUL WHO WAS A CATHOLIC BISHOP ARE STILL THERE IN GREECE THEY ARE THE GREEK ORTHODOX AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEIR CATHOLIC
THEY SAY IF YOUR NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME AND IF YOU DO NOT SPEAK IN TOUNGES AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY THEN YOUR GOING TO HELL THOSE ARE OFFICIAL TEACHINGS IN THIS CULT I WENT TO ONE OF THEIR MENS HOMES IN NEWARK CA AND THEY TOLD ME IF YOU DON'T SPEAK IN TOUNGES YOU DON'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND YOU DON'T BELONG TO GOD I TOLD THEM I RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN I REPENTED CORNELIOUS RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT BEFORE BAPTISM
bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it just exaclty
some of the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
Jesus Christ of the New Testement was none other than Jehovah of the Old Testement. God only changed His form from Spirit to man, and after the cross, He went back to Spirit form and work among His people is the Power and attribute of the Holy Ghost, the Comforter. ALWAYS THE SELF SAME AND THE ONLY ONE AND THE TRUE GOD, NONE OTHER BESIDE HIM.
@dieselcowboy777 If you follow along Branham's ministry, especially the latest part of his teaching, Dual person as you mention is actually what Branahm mean was that God in Christ, Jesus was both man and God. Not 2 different persons, the body is man (flesh), but the Spirit is none other than Jehovah God the Saviour. So you don't see dual persons but ONE Person God. Its ONE God displaying 3 different roles.
Your teachings certainly didn't come from the Bible....they have nothing to do with the knowledge of God. I'm sure you'd draw a nice audience down in the pit though.
Marcellus of Ancyra: "Valentinus, the leader of a sect, was the first to devise the notion of three subsistent entities (hypostases), in a work that he entitled On the Three Natures. For, he devised the notion of three subsistent entities and three persons — father, son, and holy spirit"
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The Vatican, according to this Third Secret of Fatima will be destroyed on August 17, 2011. The Dogma, the Trinity, has been replaced with the Masonic Trinity. The documents that prove the change from Our Lady, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost (the real Father) into the Lord Father/coming Lord Jesus/Holy Spirit are on FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
The Illuminati have essentially changed the three keys to heaven and humanity allowed it. The punishment from heaven is imminent.
@Judgement220 2)"Do you believe it should belong to the New Testament"
By the will of God
"The Gospel of Thomas, is a well preserved early Christian, non-canonical sayings-gospel discovered near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in December 1945, in one of a group of books known as the Nag Hammadi library."
So, if should or shouldn't belong... Those Gospels have the same path: Truth and lies, confirming Old Testament and New Testament and Qur''an
The will of God was always the same. TRUTH and LOVE
@holyspiritoftruth I'm not oppose to reading non-cannonical gospels at all. Just as long you are intelligent enough to decipher the Truth from the Lies.
The only thing I disagree with you is that you said that the "Word" split into 2. If you say that you are giving Satan divinity heritage, we all know that satan did evil before the Garden of Eden, how can you say that the "Word" split into 2 at that point.
@holyspiritoftruth When I said Garden of Eden, I meant the fall of Man; now answer this question, How was there a Tree KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, before the fall of man?
@holyspiritoftruth What is your view of the "Godhead", I saw your description relating them to the word "Truth" and "Word". What perspective of the "Godhead" do you have, Do you have a oneness, Trinitarian, or Bi-tarian, or another unique view of the Godhead?
@Judgement220 There is no better way to understand and clearly seen that paganism had been in-corporated into true Christianity but by the trinity doctrine!
They say 3 different persons co-exist into 1 God, and so there was no better reason than why God called that church who originated this pagan form of false christianity, the MOTHER of harlots churches! THE ABOMINTIONS OF THE EARTH. (Rev. 17)
@royaleagle1961 There is nothing more pagan then to believe that God committed suicide(which you believe). Keep working on your doctrine because to say that the Father killed himself, sounds pretty pagan to me.
@Judgement220 I'll say again , it was God Almighty LAID DOWN HIS OWN LIFE, shed His own Blood, to paid for the requirement/atonement for our sin, because nobody blood is righteous. Because God is a Spirit, In order for God to do that, He has to have a body of flesh, Jesus Christ was that God in human form. And because that body came from God HIMSELF, thus the ministry of Christ on earth earned the title called the "Son" not another person god. Saying God committed suicide is blasphemy ignorant
@royaleagle1961 It is Jesus that laid down his own life, he did not take his own life. Show me where in the Bible it shows that Jesus executing judgment on himself, Jesus says:
"the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
So when Jesus died, it wasn't his OWN Initiative, CLEARLY, but the Father, showing clearly HE did not execute judgement on himself. Please Explain how can Jesus say what he does is not of his own doing?
@Judgement220 Thats the trouble with trinitaian pagan idea thinking that there are two different gods, The Bible clearly said God laid down His own Life, because only Jehovah God is the saviour and none other. Jesus Christ was His flesh in human form, not another person, if it is, than God will be UNJUST because He send other to die instead of Himself, and make Himself a lier. You need to understand, when Jesus refering to His Father, He was only talking about when HE WAS GOD IN SPIRIT FORM.
@royaleagle1961 Trinitarians do NOT Believe that there are 2 different Gods, we believe in 1 God because Jesus' Godly Nature is not of himself, but of His Father's as shown by Jesus's words HERE:
"the words that I speak unto you I speak NOT OF MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. "
Jesus denied that he is the Father in this verse. How can you say Jesus is the Father according to this verse?
@Judgement220 You need to have the Spiritual revelation to see the true Godhead, not just pick a statement out of context and made a religion out of it. How was Jesus deny that He was the "Father" when He Himself said Me and the Father are One, so how can there be 2 or 3? The Scripture already said the Son should be called The everlasting Father, the Mighty God! Isa9:6-7. And the person who bear this Title of Son was none other than Jehovah God Himself, for there was none other God beside Him!
@Judgement220 Jesus was none other than Jehovah God of the OT in human form, why can't you realize that?
Thats why when He was in that earthly ministry of Christ (the human form of God) , the body always glorify the Father! Throughout the Scriptures the Bible always declared there is ONLY ONE GOD, not 3. Only carnal mind thought they are 2 different persons, thats paganism! Thats why I'm asking, if you truely have revelation & understand the plan of salvation, you've to agree can be only 1 God
@Judgement220 How could Jesus ever preached Him and the Father are 2 different persons? The trouble with trinitarian was when they always read the Bible from back to front! So go back to the foundation in the OT, God declared Himself that there is none other beside Him, therefore what Jesus said was only refering to HIMSELF WHEN HE WAS THE IMMORTAL SPIRIT FORM, the attribute of a Father. But that same God became Emmanuel in form of human flesh with us, do you see 2 different persons? I don't
@Judgement220 Whenever Jesus refering to Himself AND TALK ABOUT when He was in the Eternal Spirit form, it always in the form of FIGURATIVE SPEECH. He can't be saying Me and I are One!!? He had to say Me and "The Father" are One! He can't be saying "I speak not of myself, but MYSELF THAT DWELLETH IN ME, I doeth the works!??" So He had to say "but THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME."
FATHER ALWAYS REFERING TO THAT GOD IN SPIRIT FORM! ALWAYS THE SAME PERSON! AND DEPEND ON WHICH POSITION HE SPEAKS
@Judgement220 I don't know about you, but did you know that when you see me in person, you're not really seeing me! you only see the flesh of the REAL ME! the real me is the spirit man, the SOUL that dwell in this human flesh, understand? If you really can comprehan, maybe than you'll understand why Jesus always refering the REAL HIM WHICH WAS THE SPIRIT FORM OF GOD THE FATHER, AS THOUGH THE FATHER AND HIM ARE 2 DIFFERENT PERSONS. No, the different is one was the flesh, the other was His Spirit.
@Judgement220 The same truth, the real me are the spirit man that live in this human flesh, The trouble with trinitarian is they thought the body and the Spirit are 2 different persons, Its amazing that people talk about the soul, spirit and body, but they're the one are cluless of what they're saying. The most ridiculous thing to say is that these 3 are different persons make-up into 1 person! The same, the Bible only speaks of 3 Titles pretained to God, not telling you they are 3 persons!
@royaleagle1961 In order to have 3 Gods in 3 persons, Each person must have power and authority that is separate from each other and INDEPENDENT from each other.
God means "Supreme Majesty" or "Supreme Authority" or "Supreme Power", and There is only 1 "Supreme Authority" or 1 God. over all powers or authorities and nations.
This is why its important to note that Jesus' Power is NOT of himself. If Jesus claims his Power is of Himself, then Jesus is proclaiming he is ANOTHER GOD!
@Judgement220 So you're telling us that there is 3 different persons gods, so thats your pagan idea. True christianity believed only ONE God, One Spirit, ONE AND THE SELF-SAME Person Godhead. JESUS ONLY TELLING YOU TO WORSHIP THATS ETERNAL SPIRIT, NOT SAYING THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT PERSONS. The Body have to glorify the Eternal Spirit always, and that Spirit live in that body of Jesus Christ! Always the same person God.
@royaleagle1961 We don't believe "3 different persons gods"--That is incorrect.
We believe in 3 different persons have UNITY in Authority--TRI-UNITY. We Believe the Father is the ulimate authority and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit authority comes from the Father. The Son and the Holy Spirit do not have authority in themselves, rather their authority is from the Father, therefore you have only 1 God.
@Judgement220 If three persons have UNITY, still mean there are three different persons, or else, what language you're saying?? If you are one person, you are one person to yourself. Now you try to say three persons makeup and join into one person, thats really illogical.
If there is only One God, then He is one person to Himself. If you say God is an divine office, co-exist and join together by three different persons, you've believe a pagan religion, not Christianity.Read your bible
@royaleagle1961 You have 3 separate persons that have UNITY. One Person cannot do ANYTHING without the other 2 persons. The Father is the director, the Son is the translator, and the Holy Spirit is the Finisher of God's will. Just like your body, the Father would be your brain, the Son would be your nerves, and the Holy Spirit would be the Body Part. One can't do anything without other 2.
So until you can realize that Father can't kill himself, you are lost.
Until you realize that every world you just spoke is "extra-biblical" and "purely theological", you are truly, truly lost. You are trying to pas off your babbling philosophy as scripture. You are claiming another person is lost for rejecting something NEVER once directly, explicitly and clearly stated in Scripture. You are one sick pup. Why don't you "get lost" pagan.
@evesplittheatom I'm a Pagan because I believe Jesus and the Father are 2 persons? How about believing Jesus when he refers to the Father as "My Father". When you say "My Father" you are referring to another person. Guess what? Jesus continued to refer to the Father as "My Father" in the book of Revelation when He is in heaven! Also why did the Father refer to Jesus as "MY Son", another person when Jesus baptized?
I'm all for believing what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS. Is my faith too strong?
@Judgement220 Jesus said in Rev.22:16, I am the root and the offspring of David....How was Christ before (root) David and at the same time came from the line of David (Offspring)??? and how was Christ the Lord of David and the same time He was called Son of David??? Matt 22:42-46. So the "Son" was ACTUALLY only refering those of HIS TITLES, NOT saying HE WAS ANOTHER PERSONS NEXT TO GOD! Son was only a Title pertain to God, NOT literally another persons beside God, for there was NONE! get it?
@royaleagle1961 Then tell me why Jesus refers to the Father as "My Father" another person and Tell me why did the Father refers to Jesus as "My Son", we got on record by the witness of the Apostles that the Father and Jesus both refer to each other as separate persons. Not only that, Jesus spoke to John FROM HEAVEN and CONTINUED to refer to the Father as "My Father".
@majinish That is correct Jesus referred to the Father as "my God" pertaining to his human nature, but not his divine nature. Apostle Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and My God", John 20:28.
Jesus clearly has 2 natures According to John 1:1-13 and Col 1:16-17. Again, I'm all for believing what the Bible actually says.
@Judgement220 No, he was talking about the Father, not referring to his own human nature. When Jesus said "my God" he was actually saying the Father which is in Heaven is his God.
@majinish You need to read what I wrote you.. Jesus is both human and God, but as a human being, His Father, a separate person, is His God. The Father is the Father of Jesus because Jesus is a human being BORN through a woman. IN the same chapter just a few verses away, Apostle Thomas called Jesus God. Jesus has 2 natures: a human nature and a Divine nature.
@royaleagle1961 When you say "MY Father" you are not referring to yourself! That's why your analogy of you being a father and son does not make sense in regard to Jesus. Jesus clearly teaches that the Father is another person, but maintains that His authority is FROM the Father!
What constitutes a "God" is Authority, Jesus and the Holy Spirit does NOT have authority in themselves. ONLY the Father has AUTHORITY in himself.
So we have 3 Persons that share 1 Spirit=1 Authority= 1 God.
@Judgement220 So you've 3 persons, so you've declared your paganism idea and trying to in-corporate into true christianity! 2 or more persons is what this very Bible condemned and God called that church that produced that idea a Harlot. 3 different spirits god can makeup into One Spirit God, if this isn't illogical, I don't know what else is? When Jesus was talking about the Father, He was refering to Himself when he was God in the Eternal Spirit form! only you've no idea what he meant to say.
@royaleagle1961 This is very logical, and you can agree. You are not part of the Church unless you have the Holy Spirit, of Whom is God, You have millions of people but SHARE the same 1 Spirit.
The same with the trinity, The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate persons that SHARE 1 Spirit, They Share 1 authority, They Share the SAME 1 DIVINE Nature.
Therefore you have 3 persons that SHARE 1 Spirit=1 Authority = 1 God
@Judgement220 Thats different, if both of us have the Holy Spirit, that is God omni-persent, not two different Spirit. But when we talk about THAT SPIRIT OF GOD, It is only One God, He is One person to Himself not three persons, so the Father, Son & Holy Spirit, was only speaking of the three different ROLES of God.
God is a Spirit, to say that that Spirit also makeup by three different spirits, is illogical and paganism. GOD ONLY IMPART HIS SPIRIT TO US, NOT SHARING OF SPIRIT IN HIMSELF
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13
How can the Promised Holy Spirit be the Father, if HE WILL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but whatever he shall hear or what ever he was TOLD. Jesus is saying the Spirit will not tell you of his own will, but another's will. Explain?
@Judgement220 You said God was Jesus father, but the Scripture said Jesus was conceived BY THE HOLY GHOST! Matt.1:20. If the Holy Ghost and the Father are two different persons, than Jesus was an iiegitimate child because He had two fathers! thus trinity doctrine is blasphemy! therefore the Father and the Holy Ghost has TO BE THE SAME PERSON! Isnt God a Spirit and Holy is a verb? And isnt Jesus is THE COMFORTER (Holy Spirit) John 14:16-18 So THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON! ONE GOD, NOT THREE.
@royaleagle1961 Sorry, I mean God is a Spirit and Spirit is the noun and Holy is an adjective, So Holy Ghost is the Comforter which is Jesus Christ and God the father Himself. Me and the Father are ONE! which mean, the self same person!
@royaleagle1961 "I mean God is a Spirit" That's not exactly what the Bible says. Yes, the Bible says "God is a spirit." That's not defining his physical being. In Greek, where the New Testament comes from, pneuma translates into the english word known as spirit. The definition is life. And the "a" definite article isn't in the Greek language. The literal translation is "God is life".
@majinish No matter how you wants to put it, you still only one life in you to yourself; you are one person to yourself, to say that you, one person consists of 3 different persons, or you say 3 persons join into one of you, THATS THE MOST ILLOGICAL term and language to say! That how trinity doctrine is, illogical and lack intelligence . trinity was Actually a deception, they believe in pagan form of 3 gods, but cant say outrightly so they say one god but 3 persons to confuse the carnal mind
@royaleagle1961 Jesus said they were one as in one in purpose. Jesus did the will of the Father so it was as if the Father was doing what was done. It doesn't mean they're literally one God. God the Father is the only true God and Jesus was the one that said this.
@majinish When Jesus talk of the "Father", He was metaphorically speaking or refering of HIMSELF when He was in the Spirit form! why? because of Matt 11:25-27 and also Matt.13:11-15. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are only Titles of the One and the only Ture God of the Bible. Jesus Christ is Jehovah the Saviour in human form. If there are 3 persons, thats pagan! and this is what this very Bible condemned it.
@royaleagle1961 @"When Jesus talk of the "Father", He was metaphorically speaking or refering of HIMSELF" Huh? So the Lord's prayer means this: "Me which is in Heaven (even though I'm right here on Earth), hallowed be my name."? You don't even make sense. Jesus stated the Father is the ONLY true God. He didn't include himself or the Holy Ghost. They are 3 beings which is something the Bible backs up.
@royaleagle1961 "but the Scripture said Jesus was conceived BY THE HOLY GHOST" No it does not. Mary was with child who was of the Holy Ghost, not by the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the Son of the Father, not the Holy Ghost. Yes, God is the Father of Jesus. That's straight out of Ephesians 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." In John 20 Jesus tells Mary he hadn't ascended to the Father who is his Father who is Mary's God who is also Jesus' God.
@majinish It does! just that you don't want TO READ the way It was written that Jesus was conceived, whether its "by' or "of" the Holy Ghost, still mean the same. Father and the Holy Ghost IS THE SAME SPIRIT, AND JESUS CHIRST IS THE HOLY GHOST THE COMFORTER! THAT MAKE ALL OF THEM ONE, WHICH MEAN SELF SAME PERSON, NOT THREE. Jesus said, you see Me, you have seen the Father, He was the "Father", God in Spirit form before He became flesh and dwell among us!
@royaleagle1961 No, being "of" and "by" something aren't the same thing.
@"THAT MAKE ALL OF THEM ONE, WHICH MEAN SELF SAME PERSON, NOT THREE" That's not even trinitarian, that's modalism. You can't even get your own beliefs right.
@"Jesus said, you see Me, you have seen the Father" Because Jesus did the will of the Father so it's as if the Father was there.
@majinish Well if you wants to believe in a lie, thats what you'll thought. True "ONENESS" is always the original teaching of the Bible way before the pagan form of trinity that came after Roman church, it a facts maybe you don't want to know, thats all. I'll suggest you read John 14:8-9, Philip were asking to see the Father, so Jesus told him the true that HE WAS ACTUALLY THE FATHER (GOD IN SPIRIT FORM), Don't twist the Scripture to suit your theology, read it the way it was meant to say.
@royaleagle1961 Don't worry, I don't believe in lies. That's why I don't believe in the "trinity" or Modalism, I believe in the teachings of the scriptures. They are one in purpose, not one single being. I already explained it to you. Jesus did not say he literally the Father and the Son. He did the will of the Father so it's as if the Father was doing the things. I read the scriptures according to how they teach which is contrary to what you've said.
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
You can look at creation, and see God's invisible qualitiies-Like the trinity.
You have 1 Stone but has 3 dimensions of 1 space, X-Y-Z or Hieght-Width-Depth
@Judgement220 You have a body, a spirit and a soul, you come in 3 form, so are you saying there are three different PERSONS in you????
Are these 3 persons join and make-up one of you??? You too also a father, and a son, also a uncle and maybe a manager, are all these ABOUT 4 different PERSONS make-up of you???
If you cant see whats been said, really, I don't know how to help you! God is always in simpicity not illogical and senseless, its only carnal mind are so coiled up with theology.
@royaleagle1961 The Body, Soul, and Spirit are 3 dimensions of 1 Being. This another good example of the Trinity. The trinity is 3 co-existent, co-eternal PERSONS in 1 Being.
@Judgement220 our pastor also used this wonderful example but before i say it i have herd oneness's use this example they have said God is like water steam and ice all one but all different natures and to me this sounds like a good idea but there lies a problem in it the ice is still water and the steam is still water and as i know it to be true in the case of God the Father is not Jesus and the Holy Ghost is not Jesus however
the example my pastor gave which i find to be true is that God is like en egg you see God always leaves his thumb print so to speak or his mark of the truth were it can be found so with that being said lets look at an egg we have the shell the white and the yoke well when you hold up an egg how many eggs do you have... one! but when you crack the egg open and divide the white and the yoke into two bowls what do you have on the counter the shell the white and the yoke
further more you can not whisk the shell to make eggs you see each part of the egg has it's own place in life and is there for it's own reason yet they all work together in agreement as one :) just thought i might share this example as well! :) God bless bye
ps: 1john 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. if the Father is just a nature of Jesus as they say then then there is no real Father just a different nature to Jesus and therefor a Father who does not exist can not give a Son called the Son of God cuz there has to be a Father to give a Son
and if God the Father does not exist then they have made God a liar; because they believe not the record that God gave of his Son cuz You can not give a Son unless you are a Father :)
@Judgement220 Jesus said, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev.1:8. I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. Rev.1:17-18. Do you see 2 or 3 different persons here the Scriptures spoke about Christ?? If you see more than one persons, you've lost your Spiritual sight.
@Judgement220 The real confusion is that trintarians thought that Father and son are 2 different person, but the Bible only speak of God having 3 different ROLES He displayed. Just like I'm telling you now that I myself a father as well as a son today, these are my 2 different roles I have today, I'm not telling you there are 2 different persons in me! course that will be the most illogical and the most senseless statemant to say! Isn't it? Jesus was only expressing the Godhead metaphorically.
@Judgement220You still haven't tell me, how was God the Father became a Saviour?Isa 45:21-22. How did He saved us and by what he did to save us? If there was no other God beside Him alone, so who was the Saviour actually? if you can see these points. Also how can God created another God called the Son(as trinitarians offen made that claim they are different person) and so how can the son still be God and Deity if He was created and having a beginning? If you can see, you'll change your idea
@Judgement220 Perhaps you should tell us, How did God saved the sinners? by what? How did God carry out His redemption plan? why did God ordain animals sacrifice? what does that mean? If you can see these spiritual principle in God's ordained way of salvation, you'll get to understand why there could NOT have 3 different persons in the Godhead (it always the self-same peprson) instead of pick words like "us" and out of context understanding of the Word and make a false religion of 3 persons.
@Judgement220 Have you not read the Book of Hebrews? I suggest you read start from the first chapter, what did God do to save the sinners? Didn't the Scriptures plainly shows that God laid down the plan and foundation of His salvation by His own Blood and nothing else? Heb:7:27 said God, for this He did once, "WHEN HE OFFERED UP HIMSELF." HE CANNOT SEND OTHER TO DO THE JOB, THERE WAS NONE! Than how could God do that if He was still in the Spirit form?? think! God gave His own Life. Amen.
@Judgement220 If God really to pass the judgment, but who can bear? Because God loves His own, when His own sins against His law that require judgement, instead of put it on His children, HE POUR HIS JUDGEMENT AND WRATH UPON HIMSELF ON THAT BODY OF HIS! HE BEAR THE CROSS HIMSELF TO SAVE HIS CHILDREN, we are saved by the Blood of an innocent (this is what we call Grace!). If you can see this Spiritual Priniciple of the Bibe, you'll able to see more and far and why there couldn't be 3 persons.
@Judgement220 . If there are three different persons, although the same substance (person), still make of three different persons; To say that "One God make up by three different gods still remain as One God" is the most illogical and lack intelligent statement .
JESUS CHRIST IS JEHOVAH THE SAVIOUR INCARNATED IN HUMAN FORM, there is always ONE PERSON GOD AND NONE ELSE! So declared the Scriptures.
@royaleagle1961 you said: "JESUS CHRIST IS JEHOVAH THE SAVIOUR INCARNATED IN HUMAN FORM, there is always ONE PERSON GOD AND NONE ELSE! So declared the Scriptures."
Well you going to have to explain how the Father turned himself into a lamb for himself and killed himself. and please explain why in the Book of Revelation, Jesus CONTINUED TO SAY "MY FATHER" another person. while He is in heaven. You got some serious theological issues to deal with.
@Judgement220 Precisely! in order for Jehovah to turned Himself into a sacrifical lamb, He had to have a body of flesh! Spirit cant die. Thats why Jesus was call EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US, NOT another God with us! When Jesus talks about the Father, He was only metaphorically speaking or refering Himself when he was in the Spirit Form, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are only 3 Titles pertains to God, not telling you they are 3 persons, that will be paganism which this very Bible condemned.
@Judgement220 Didn't you read the Bible that say God make himself a body and took on Him the seed of Abraham? You still don't get it? What wrong with your mind? and guess that have been so coiled up with theological doctrine that you can't see the simplicity of the Truth? How was God going to turn Himself into a sacrificial Lamb and shed His Blood, if He was in the SPIRIT FORM?? The Scriptures plainly declare that THERE WAS NONE OTHER BESIDE HIM! and you keep saying there are 3, something wrong
@TheEl7ohim You got it! Its always the self same person in the Godhead "For in Him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colo.2:9), mean Jesus is EVERYTHING, He is the Father, son, Holy Ghost, all are IN HIM. Paul and the early Christian's church have the same revelation, 1 Timothy 3:16 only say of the same Person, not three.
Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are only three titles/office/attribute pertain to God, and His name is the LORD JESUS CHRIST! Amen.
Google the name "YAHWEH". Please report back to YouTube here in the reply.
Thank you for you time. I wish we had a face to face opportunity to swipe wisdom concerning the teachings we debate for the better cause of gaining more wisdom, and understanding of Yahweh's spoken word written in scripture by the prophets.
IF anything, at least Google may point you to that understanding and perfect wisdom, so you can have peace with it at your own pace. Good luck, I hope find the answers you seek.
@upNyaBizznizz "Google" LOL, No sir, you go to the library and read scholorships and learn from the Scholars. Scholars will say word for word what I said, Not just that. A lot of Scholars don't say "YHWH" but "YHVH" or which makes it more likely that "Yahweh" is not the true pronunciation of God's name. It is forbidden to say the name of God, that is why no one knows the true pronunciation.
@Judgement220 I've been studying for years and read tons of books written by Scholars; books on most well-known religions of many nations, But you know what I have found out? Yahweh is the Almighty Scholar of all time, and every last Scholar that ever was, Is or is to come will never get near the wisdom of Yahweh. Nay, for me, Almighty God is the main source of wisdom, and there is no need to look right or left.
Take good care. Thank you.
Yahweh's Word is all I need. He has said it himself
3 "Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 THEY know not, neither will THEY understand; they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Verse 5 can relate to blind Trinitarians that believe in Satan's false doctrines and don't know they are gods, neither do THEY understand, THEY walk on in spiritual darkness of Satan's trinity.
@upNyaBizznizz You are not a god now unless you hold a position of authority. If you are a Judge, Mayor, Police Chief, Governor, President, etc. you are a "god". If you are not in a position to excercise justice in society, you are not a "god". Verse 5 talks about corrupted leaders of justice. You do not understand scripture.
@Judgement220 I am a god according to YAHWEH's own decision to created his sons and daughters in His Likeness and image. Don't get mad because Jesus is a son of Yahweh and that is all Jesus is. Jesus is not YAHWEH the Almighty God and you are doing everything in your mind's power to not accept Psalms 82, because it defeats Satan's trinity thoroughly without end!
YAHWEH will destroy your soul in Hell and the lake of fire. Get wise, or you will suffer for all eternity for loving Satan's trinity
@upNyaBizznizz "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called THEM gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; " John 10:34-35
Why did Jesus say "If he called THEM gods" in Verse 35 when he was talking to the Jews? Why did Jesus say "THEM" instead of "You" in verse 35. This is just proving my point that only people with authority are called "gods"
@Judgement220 Because Jesus is trying to establish the fact that he is a son of YAHWEH, And all sons of Yahweh were created gods! Jesus is reverberating Psalms 82:6 and teaching the JEWS what they have forgotten. He is trying to teach a hoard of blind religious leaders and teachers that forgot YAHWEH called Moses and ISRAEL gods! So that is why Jesus is saying "IF YAHWEH called them gods, unto whom the word of YAHWEH came, and the scripture CANNOT BE BROKEN!"
@upNyaBizznizz You are wrong. Jesus says "THEM" to the jews because none of them were in a position of authority. Governor Pilate is a "god" Herod the King is a "god" only those in position to exercise Justice is a god. You don't understand what "god" means, it means a person of authority that exercise Justice in a society.
Understand that any judge, Governor, Mayor, etc are assigned by God himself. Their job is to protect to poor and the innocent. That is what Psalms 82 is about.
@Judgement220 You have no understanding whatsoever. IT would be almost impossible to teach you, unless Jesus himself stood in front of you said what he said at JOHN 5:37. I got it! Let's PRETEND that JESUS is sitting next to you this second and Jesus tells you this.
"Hey Listen closely, Father Yahweh himself whom has sent Me, HE borne witness of Me, You have neither heard Yahweh's voice at any time, nor have You seen HIM, nor his shape or form"
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. "
Jesus is talking about the Father, Jesus is NOT the Father. You are talking to a trinitarian, we do not believe that Jesus is the Father. You don't know how to debate.
@Judgement220 Sorry to tell you this, but you lost this debate! YAHWEH IS The FATHER, Therefore JESUS really said it that way, since Jesus is Hebrew, we are certain that Mary & Joseph taught Jesus that YAHWEH is the Almighty God!
"And the Father YAHWEH himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard YAHWEH's voice at any time, nor seen Yahweh's shape!"
What are you scared of? Are you hurt that JESUS does not support the trinity? Don't lie! YAHWEH IS the Father!
@Judgement220 WHO Is Jesus referring to at JOHN 5:37? JESUS IS referring to YAHWEH The Father! Don't lie like a demon. Satan's trinity is coming down and JESUS himself is against your false trinity!
Trinitarians tremble at John 5:37, because JESUS is not the FATHER! Jesus told the Jews near the Temple that they never heard Yahweh's voice at any time, nor SEEN Yahweh's shape!
Not a single trinity in sight! What more Proof do we need? JESUS does not lie! Jesus is not Yahweh and admits it! :D
@Judgement220 Of course not! You only believe that Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh, right? Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil your fun playing in Satan's trinity sandbox. I'm sure you don't believe that Jesus is "Father YAHWEH, the Almighty God." I mean, after all, that would be blasphemy if any trinity disciple or Trinitarian keeper ever taught the world that Jesus and Father Yahweh are ONE Almighty God, right?
Naw, you'd keep that to yourself at your trinity churches, right? YEAH, I bet you do.
@upNyaBizznizz In John 5:37, it says "Father", you can insert "God" all you want but Jesus always makes a distinction between himself and His Father, tell the oneness gang this verse not me.
Let me educate you about the word "Yahweh", did you know this is not the correct pronunciation of God's name but only an estimate pronunciation. Even the Jews, do not know the correct way to say his name because it was forbidden to say or write so its written as "YHWH" Educate yourself.
@Judgement220 And Whom do you suppose that FATHER is, Santa Claus? LOL
Nay, YAHWEH is the Father! [God]? Nay.
All worldwide Bible scholars agree its, 'YAHWEH', so we can insert YAHWEH at any point of scripture were the man-made terms 'God, the Almighty, the LORD, holy One of Israel, the Lord of Host, the Most High, Adonai, or the Father...are inserted. That is acceptable! You can stop any Jew on the street and say, "To Yahweh is all the glory!" and they will smile at you and say, "Amen!".
@upNyaBizznizz Bible Scholars AND Jewish Scribes will tell you that "Yahweh" is only an estimated pronunciation of "YHWH" not the real Pronunciation. Nobody knows that pronunciation of "YHWH", it has been lost.
@Judgement220 Which is closer to the holy name of YHWH, the plain descriptive word "God" or an actual name like "YAHWEH"? YAHWEH :)
English forced the vowels into place so that we can pronounce it, as close as possible as to how the Rabbis read it from the Torah or Tanakh. I have viewed many Hebrew-Jewish telecast Marathons on TV or here on YouTube.
They may say 'YAHWEH' and sometimes it sounds like 'Yahveh with a "v sound. But most people say it with a 'w' sound. I choose to use Yahweh.
@ Judgement220 The Irish rock band, 'U2', has a song here on YouTube. It's called 'YAHWEH'. Listen to it when you get a chance. Its sorta cool. Also type in 'Yahweh' here on YouTube and there are many Rabbis that teach about Yahweh, the Almighty of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
'Peace in our minds, let not our anger set with us before we sleep. Wake up with greatness and live the day with good gestures. IF I have offended you, I apologize. Forgive me for my flaws if they were in your face. Amen.
@upNyaBizznizz By the way Heb 1:8 was taken from Psalms 45:6. Why is Jesus called "God" not "god". Could it be that Jesus is "God"? Could you be in error this whole time?
Again, if you believe that Jesus is anything other then "God", its foolish to believe in christianity. The oneness gang at least got that much right. You have no choice but to believe that Jesus is God.
@Judgement220 Come on now, READ Psalms 82. The way it starts is quite conclusive that YAHWEH created us gods. 1 YAHWEH stands in the Congregation of the Mighty, HE judges among the gods!
THEN Yahweh declares this with ALL Truth and Authority:
6 I SAID, Ye Are gods! And ALL of you are Children of Yahweh [the Most High]
If you can't accept Psalms 82:6 as Yahweh's personal Truth, then no one else convince you. Yahweh created us gods, and Jesus is also a god but not the Almighty God. Take care.
@Judgement220 YAHWEH is venting against Evil doers, AND how Believers in this Earth need to practice perfect justice so that we may free the demoralized and sorrowful ones.
But YAHWEH created us gods in His Likeness and He wants us to have power!
YAHWEH said, "THEY know not, neither will THEY understand; THEY walk on IN darkness:
all the foundations of the Earth are out of course!"
YAHWEH is teaching us All that we are gods and His children that HE created! Get it now? HE wants us to know it!
Even IF a homeless Man has a golden voice, YAHWEH will find that Man with the golden voice and raise him up, because HE wants us all to shine for more than 15 minutes of FAME! What will you gain if I tell you my occupation? I can build a Mansion all by myself and knock it down quicker than I build it. I can produce professional Music on a genius level. I can fix computers and heal people with laughter. I am not selfish.
I am rich, because I am a son of YAHWEH, a prince of peace and soon a king.
@upNyaBizznizz Answer my question. Psalms 82:2 is speaking to those who has capability to exercise Justice. because that is Psalms 82:2 defines what a "god" is for the whole chapter. You cannot break scripture remember?
Are you in a occupation to exercise Justice like a Judge, Mayor, congressman,governor, etc? Are you any of these?
I believe in the trinity and believe Jesus is God. the trinity just means that in the one God of the universe , there are 3 people. Father. spirit, son. they are all God but in his different forms
123surger 3 weeks ago
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@123surger Contradictions of the trinity. 1. The word trinity is not in the Bible nor is triune, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. Red flags right off. 2. The "trinity" is not in the OT any where. 3. The Son or Jesus is not in the OT any where. 4. The Holy Ghost never speaks, a mute person. 5. Why is it the unforgivable sin to blaspheme one "person" but not the others? 6. If Jesus is coequal then why did he have to pray to the Father for strength? Need I go any further?
jobbins008 1 week ago
ACTS 2:38 TO GET INTO THE KINGDOM
stonecold474 4 weeks ago
PRAISE THE 1 GOD JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH!! budda said there is a way, muhammad
said I know the way, but JESUS CHRIST SAID I AM THE WAY!!!!
stonecold474 4 weeks ago
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My Heavenly Father gave me a revelation about the meaning of 666, the number of the beast. It was yesterday close to 6:00 PM. I was thinking about the mark of the beast and suddenly, the Light came in! It's glorious and it's for this time. Most of the serious Bible scholars know that the words “…in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one”, are in fact an apocryphal addition to the original text, that can be traced back as far as the 16th Century.
michaeldayofthelord 1 month ago
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The added words "these three are one" MATCH PERFECTLY Revelation 13:16 "Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six. (American Standard Version) The Trinity Doctrine is the name of the beast. That meaning can be understood more likely in all the languages of the world, even chinese, korean, japanese, that could not understant the earlier explanations with the Latin Language.
michaeldayofthelord 1 month ago
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NoorminAllah 1 month ago
i feel sorry for the oneness people..... its really very sad... i grew up without a father.. and now that i have met Jesus i have also met the Father and the Spirit and let me tell you they are not the same and i so much enjoy having a personal relationship with the Father it's such a blessing to get to know the Father on such a personal meaning emotional deep loving level... the Father... oh Abba... and then the fact that i get to know the Holy Spirit the Holy Ghost in such a different way..
kiekie84 1 month ago
but still with just as much love and meaning and it's such a blessing to be able to know God in whole and yet to be able to know the Father and Jesus and the Spirit each in there own way it breaks my heart to know that the Fathers love reaches out to these people that the Spirit wants to lead them as Jesus is calling them by name and yet they miss out on so much simply just because they deny them... i denied them for a long time before i met God when i was unsaved i denied God all together...
kiekie84 1 month ago
but when i met God for the first time i felt and i knew that the blood of Jesus had washed me clean and i knew and felt the Spirit that had touched me so and i finally knew and felt the Father that got to hold His little girl!!!! and now that i have been filled with the Spirit oh to pray in the Spirit not just in Jesus but also to Jesus in the Spirit the Holy Spirit to know all three of them on such a personal level
kiekie84 1 month ago
these apostolic's are truly missing out on such a great gift and as i spoke of Father holding His little girl my heart broke for the oneness people they don't know this side of God they have yet to cry Abba Father to the Father and my heart breaks for them with tears of burning burden and my heart breaks for them ohhh Father draw them call them and touch them Jesus touch them and guide them Holy Ghost for only God can show them such a truth I'm not here to debate
kiekie84 1 month ago
I'm just one little girl washed in the blood of Jesus filled the Spirit and held in the Fathers arms and strong in God alone and I'm here to show you there doesn't have to be hate just a burning heart filled with a burden of sorrow while letting know just how much i care may God lead you to the everlasting truth and in Jesus name amen....
kiekie84 1 month ago
@kiekie84 When you pray only pray in the name of God and to God alone.
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@kiekie84 Well I am. I personally have studied the Quran and bible and I say the bible we have today doesn't stand up to the test of authenticity, free of corruption, errors, and changes. If you want to base your faith on feelings go ahead, but this is not how our mind and intellect works.In order to have certainty of faith one must have yakeen (faith based on knowledge/evidences/proof, etc.) only then will the heart believe with certainty. And we are not talking about blind faith here
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@NoorminAllah ohhh i don't base my facts on "just" feelings but only a dead God can not be heard touched felt or experienced and my God is not dead but he is Alive you tell me to ask myself to read the quran but let me ask you this have you ever asked yourself..... why is it that at the name of Jesus Christ men and woman are changed drug addicts set free in seconds with no withdraws body's healed in the drop of a heat a man wheeled in a wheelchair calls out the name of a Jesus
kiekie84 1 month ago
and not but a moment later he stands up to walk and his legs and toes begin to move the presence of God floods him and he comes leaping running jumping.... yes there are fakes but i have said before you can't fake a three dollar bill all those fakes only testify of the reel thing what about the real thing when it really happens for real? in the name of Jesus rise up and walk still happens today and God still moves
kiekie84 1 month ago
do you ever hear in the name allah be healed from cancer? or from this and that i don't never.... Jesus defeated death and he owns life the nature you have the bad words that slip out the white lies humans tell the little or big thing humans steal they humans lust it's all inside and only God can change that nature but as you call him allah i tell you now he can not change the nature that runs in our blood only the blood of Jesus can do that you say i should not go by feelings
kiekie84 1 month ago
but i go by feeling fact and truth what fact? i saw myself change right before my eyes i have seen Gods hands do wonders and i have even heard him speak i have felt though i do not go "just" by feeling and i have even seen him heal me... tell me does allah speak to you have you ever heard him? you may say yes but oh the the God that i know if only you knew the things i have witnessed before me i believed and i saw i saw the real thing... and nothing can take that away from me
kiekie84 1 month ago
the bible is alive it speaks to me each letter it pops out and jumps out just when i need it and it tells me everything i need to know words are words but not in the bible and letters that opened up the knowledge of God because they are alive not just simply cuz someone can read it and know about God but because i can read one phrase a thousand times and it in a new light a thousand time :) what a mighty God i serve
kiekie84 1 month ago
@kiekie84 and it can be in a new light a thousand times*
kiekie84 1 month ago
@kiekie84 Whoever says God died is saying a tremendous blasphemy. God Almighty is the healer. He is the one who answers prayers. If drug addicts stop using drugs, it is b/c they make the resolution to stop using drug and be clean. People can call out different names all they want, but if it is not the Will of Almighty God-no one will be healed and no one will be touched with illness. God Almighty is the One in control of all the affairs. To Him we belong and to Him we shall return.
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
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@kiekie84 Whoever says God died is saying a tremendous blasphemy. God Almighty is the healer. He is the one who answers prayers. If drug addicts stop using drugs, it is b/c they make the resolution to stop using drug and be clean. People can call out different names all they want, but if it is not the Will of Almighty God-no one will be healed and no one will be touched with illness. God Almighty is the One in control of all the affairs. To Him we belong and to Him we shall return.
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@NoorminAllah it is God Almighty Who has appointed a time of death for every single person when the angel of death will come and take the soul. When your father passed away, it was his time when God Almighty decreed.God Almighty wants good for every single person. And He is the Guider and protector. If you ask Him for guidance, help, protection, etc. He alone can do this and He alone fills the void within our hearts and souls. Let's turn to Him for guidance :)
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@kiekie84 yeah except Jesus wasn't crucifed and all that is a lie: youtube dotcom/watch?v=2m4KW-dysKk
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@kiekie84 If you want to know God, read what God says about Himself. Many times people try to make up what they want about God, what they feel or think or assume. If we went on this no one would ever know or agree on Who God is and what are His characteristics so we have to see what He says about Himself. And the only authentic info that can be confirmed is from the Quran. I can get you a free copy if you like. :)
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@kiekie84 see my channel
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
Someone needs to go and learn Church history. The Council of Nicea was not trinitarian discussion but was a debate on the nature of Jesus. This person really needs to go and learn history before posting lies. This Council was held to settle the Arian controversy with 318 bishops present. The Council of Nicea was not about the Trinity. Try reading a book for a change.
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NHBChristianTalk 1 month ago
@NHBChristianTalk Why would anyone need to do this if the church of Jerusalem and ethiopian and coptic church stood firm on the fact that jesus was not God nor part of God. That he was messenger chosen by God, a prophet, etc.
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
@NoorminAllah That is easy, people with heresies and false doctrines like to try and change the truth.
NHBChristianTalk 1 month ago
Jesus/YahuShua/Yeshua is the Father YaHuWaH/YHWH when it says he is the son of God the Father it is not speaking on our terms of Son but it means the perfect image of the Father they are ONE. Jesus will was to do the will of the father yet the trinity says they all the Father, Son, holy spirit all have there own will LIES, ABOMINATIONS BEFORE THE LORD. IT IS ALL THE FATHER YHWH. YahuShua even means YaHuWaH is Salvation when will people stop following the doctrines of men and follow christ
HearTheTrumpetCall 2 months ago
Another reason why I became muslim
NoorminAllah 2 months ago
@NoorminAllah and my heart breaks for you too... for even you can not be completely sure of being let into the presences of God and into the beauty of Heaven and the Love of our creator because from what i learned no matter how many good works you do allah could still say no and could still be standing outside the gates never to be let in no matter what Good deeds you do no matter how many you do no matter how big they are
kiekie84 1 month ago
there's still a chance it could all fall to pieces and you could miss out on the glory of heaven oh but i thank God for the the sacrifices of Jesus Christ the blood that paid it all and the power the Father gave Jesus in the Spirit to Jesus from the dead
kiekie84 1 month ago
if i want you to remember anything it's that i love all people even you and the the Father is drawing you nigh to the cross and the spirit surly will lead you there but when you get there it will be empty cuz Jesus is surly risen and He Is ALIVE!! :) may God richly bless you in the knowledge that you seem to not understand.... God bless
kiekie84 1 month ago
@kiekie84 Please put your heart back together. It's not about that. The first and formost thing is YOU MUST HAVE THE CORRECT BELIEF. And the trinity and belief in the divinity of Jesus, etc. will led you to hellfire. Because this is the UNFORGIVABLE sin.1st commandment. Did you ever ask yourself why in judaism and islam this is the fact? That's 2 out of 3. Remember God doesn't change His message nor mind.
NoorminAllah 1 month ago
THE SENIOR PASTOR TOLD ME TO MY FACE THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH KILLED JESUS HE DIDN'T WANT NONE WE EXCHANGED WORDS AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO WITH IT I TOLD HIM ARE SINS PUT HIM ON THE CROSS JUST BECAUSE THE ROMANS KILLED HIM DOESN'T MEAN THEY WERE ROMAN CATHOLIC EVERYONE OF THE APOSTLES WAS CATHOLIC THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN COMMUNITIES FOUNDED BY PAUL WHO WAS A CATHOLIC BISHOP ARE STILL THERE IN GREECE THEY ARE THE GREEK ORTHODOX AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE THEIR CATHOLIC
james67707 3 months ago
THEY SAY IF YOUR NOT BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME AND IF YOU DO NOT SPEAK IN TOUNGES AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY THEN YOUR GOING TO HELL THOSE ARE OFFICIAL TEACHINGS IN THIS CULT I WENT TO ONE OF THEIR MENS HOMES IN NEWARK CA AND THEY TOLD ME IF YOU DON'T SPEAK IN TOUNGES YOU DON'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT AND YOU DON'T BELONG TO GOD I TOLD THEM I RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN I REPENTED CORNELIOUS RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT BEFORE BAPTISM
james67707 3 months ago
I LOVE-----TRUTH - JESUS said he was
ALL YOU--> social club members --> there is a WAY FIND IT
GOD revelse it - GOD shows HIS salvation - GOD draws - GOD is a REWARDER of those WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM. YOU ONLY HVE this LIFE to FIND HIM.
BETTER GET TO DILIGENTLY PRAYING. ONCE YOU FIND HIM YOU say that was WORTH it.
I under stand trinity people are NEVER ABLE TO COME TO TRUTH 1 Ti 3-7
2222pauline 8 months ago
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bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it just exaclty
some of the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
dieselcowboy777 9 months ago
@dieselcowboy777 The more simple way to understand this is:
Jesus Christ of the New Testement was none other than Jehovah of the Old Testement. God only changed His form from Spirit to man, and after the cross, He went back to Spirit form and work among His people is the Power and attribute of the Holy Ghost, the Comforter. ALWAYS THE SELF SAME AND THE ONLY ONE AND THE TRUE GOD, NONE OTHER BESIDE HIM.
royaleagle1961 9 months ago
@dieselcowboy777 If you follow along Branham's ministry, especially the latest part of his teaching, Dual person as you mention is actually what Branahm mean was that God in Christ, Jesus was both man and God. Not 2 different persons, the body is man (flesh), but the Spirit is none other than Jehovah God the Saviour. So you don't see dual persons but ONE Person God. Its ONE God displaying 3 different roles.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
Your teachings certainly didn't come from the Bible....they have nothing to do with the knowledge of God. I'm sure you'd draw a nice audience down in the pit though.
warriorspikes51 9 months ago
Marcellus of Ancyra: "Valentinus, the leader of a sect, was the first to devise the notion of three subsistent entities (hypostases), in a work that he entitled On the Three Natures. For, he devised the notion of three subsistent entities and three persons — father, son, and holy spirit"
Steps of Trinity on my blog
TheLastReformation 10 months ago
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tigersforchrist 11 months ago
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The Vatican, according to this Third Secret of Fatima will be destroyed on August 17, 2011. The Dogma, the Trinity, has been replaced with the Masonic Trinity. The documents that prove the change from Our Lady, Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost (the real Father) into the Lord Father/coming Lord Jesus/Holy Spirit are on FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m
The Illuminati have essentially changed the three keys to heaven and humanity allowed it. The punishment from heaven is imminent.
fatimamovement 11 months ago
There is no way to understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, other then by the trinitarian doctrine.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220
Therefore go and make DISCIPLES of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit(Matthew 28:19)
the name of the Father - God -His word is TRUTH (John 17:17)
the name of the Son - Jesus -the way to the Father- TRUTH and life(John 14:6)
the name of the Holy Spirit - Spirit of TRUTH(John 14:16-17,26; 16:7,8,13)
They are all three in One Name: THE TRUTH.
May God bless you in TRUTH.
holyspiritoftruth 1 year ago
@holyspiritoftruth I went to your channel, Why do you read the Gospel Of Thomas? Do you believe it should belong to the New Testament, I'm intrigued.
Judgement220 1 year ago
1) quote: "why do you read the Gospel of thomas"
Because:
“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance”
or
For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD more than burnt offerings.(Hosea 6:6)
As long as we understand that God's Word is:
"TRUTH"
and Jesus was accused because the people was leed astray for lack of KNOWLEDGE ...
remember His words in: Matthew 12:7 so, we will search the Truth everywhere, reveiling the knowledge to the people, don't we?
holyspiritoftruth 1 year ago
@Judgement220 2)"Do you believe it should belong to the New Testament"
By the will of God
"The Gospel of Thomas, is a well preserved early Christian, non-canonical sayings-gospel discovered near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in December 1945, in one of a group of books known as the Nag Hammadi library."
So, if should or shouldn't belong... Those Gospels have the same path: Truth and lies, confirming Old Testament and New Testament and Qur''an
The will of God was always the same. TRUTH and LOVE
holyspiritoftruth 1 year ago
@holyspiritoftruth I'm not oppose to reading non-cannonical gospels at all. Just as long you are intelligent enough to decipher the Truth from the Lies.
The only thing I disagree with you is that you said that the "Word" split into 2. If you say that you are giving Satan divinity heritage, we all know that satan did evil before the Garden of Eden, how can you say that the "Word" split into 2 at that point.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 quote:" we all know that satan did evil before the Garden of Eden"
who are "we all"?
satan did evil before"?!
So, who was first? satan or God? Who create the Garden of EDEN? Who create the Earth or the Universe?
Many forgot God, the Creator Gen 1:1. There is One God(Deut 6:4). All the others are His Creation.
Including us who do or do not do His will.(-John 4:24)
So, my "perspective" is to show the others His will in order to understand and see Him.
Please see my ALL uploads.
holyspiritoftruth 1 year ago
@holyspiritoftruth When I said Garden of Eden, I meant the fall of Man; now answer this question, How was there a Tree KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, before the fall of man?
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 3)God many times reveil things and we do not have eyes to see until we understand like in Matthew 22:30-33,
or we lost like in Mark 12:27. If we like or not we must wake up. Remember Biblical Egipt, then look to our days Egipt.
I quote also from Qur'an if yet don't notice.
Please see all my videos, THINK and you will understand without doubt that God is the very TRUTH that make all thinks manifest.
May God bless you in Truth.
holyspiritoftruth 1 year ago
@holyspiritoftruth What is your view of the "Godhead", I saw your description relating them to the word "Truth" and "Word". What perspective of the "Godhead" do you have, Do you have a oneness, Trinitarian, or Bi-tarian, or another unique view of the Godhead?
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 There is no better way to understand and clearly seen that paganism had been in-corporated into true Christianity but by the trinity doctrine!
They say 3 different persons co-exist into 1 God, and so there was no better reason than why God called that church who originated this pagan form of false christianity, the MOTHER of harlots churches! THE ABOMINTIONS OF THE EARTH. (Rev. 17)
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 There is nothing more pagan then to believe that God committed suicide(which you believe). Keep working on your doctrine because to say that the Father killed himself, sounds pretty pagan to me.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 I'll say again , it was God Almighty LAID DOWN HIS OWN LIFE, shed His own Blood, to paid for the requirement/atonement for our sin, because nobody blood is righteous. Because God is a Spirit, In order for God to do that, He has to have a body of flesh, Jesus Christ was that God in human form. And because that body came from God HIMSELF, thus the ministry of Christ on earth earned the title called the "Son" not another person god. Saying God committed suicide is blasphemy ignorant
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 It is Jesus that laid down his own life, he did not take his own life. Show me where in the Bible it shows that Jesus executing judgment on himself, Jesus says:
"the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
So when Jesus died, it wasn't his OWN Initiative, CLEARLY, but the Father, showing clearly HE did not execute judgement on himself. Please Explain how can Jesus say what he does is not of his own doing?
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Thats the trouble with trinitaian pagan idea thinking that there are two different gods, The Bible clearly said God laid down His own Life, because only Jehovah God is the saviour and none other. Jesus Christ was His flesh in human form, not another person, if it is, than God will be UNJUST because He send other to die instead of Himself, and make Himself a lier. You need to understand, when Jesus refering to His Father, He was only talking about when HE WAS GOD IN SPIRIT FORM.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 Trinitarians do NOT Believe that there are 2 different Gods, we believe in 1 God because Jesus' Godly Nature is not of himself, but of His Father's as shown by Jesus's words HERE:
"the words that I speak unto you I speak NOT OF MYSELF: BUT THE FATHER that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. "
Jesus denied that he is the Father in this verse. How can you say Jesus is the Father according to this verse?
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 You need to have the Spiritual revelation to see the true Godhead, not just pick a statement out of context and made a religion out of it. How was Jesus deny that He was the "Father" when He Himself said Me and the Father are One, so how can there be 2 or 3? The Scripture already said the Son should be called The everlasting Father, the Mighty God! Isa9:6-7. And the person who bear this Title of Son was none other than Jehovah God Himself, for there was none other God beside Him!
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 I have more statements from Christ:
".. I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do"
"O MY Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I WILL, but as THOU WILT"
You refuse to answer my original question 2 times in a row, let's get more specific:
Do you believe that Jesus' Power and authority is of HIMSELF?
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Jesus was none other than Jehovah God of the OT in human form, why can't you realize that?
Thats why when He was in that earthly ministry of Christ (the human form of God) , the body always glorify the Father! Throughout the Scriptures the Bible always declared there is ONLY ONE GOD, not 3. Only carnal mind thought they are 2 different persons, thats paganism! Thats why I'm asking, if you truely have revelation & understand the plan of salvation, you've to agree can be only 1 God
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 How could Jesus ever preached Him and the Father are 2 different persons? The trouble with trinitarian was when they always read the Bible from back to front! So go back to the foundation in the OT, God declared Himself that there is none other beside Him, therefore what Jesus said was only refering to HIMSELF WHEN HE WAS THE IMMORTAL SPIRIT FORM, the attribute of a Father. But that same God became Emmanuel in form of human flesh with us, do you see 2 different persons? I don't
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Whenever Jesus refering to Himself AND TALK ABOUT when He was in the Eternal Spirit form, it always in the form of FIGURATIVE SPEECH. He can't be saying Me and I are One!!? He had to say Me and "The Father" are One! He can't be saying "I speak not of myself, but MYSELF THAT DWELLETH IN ME, I doeth the works!??" So He had to say "but THE FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME."
FATHER ALWAYS REFERING TO THAT GOD IN SPIRIT FORM! ALWAYS THE SAME PERSON! AND DEPEND ON WHICH POSITION HE SPEAKS
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 I don't know about you, but did you know that when you see me in person, you're not really seeing me! you only see the flesh of the REAL ME! the real me is the spirit man, the SOUL that dwell in this human flesh, understand? If you really can comprehan, maybe than you'll understand why Jesus always refering the REAL HIM WHICH WAS THE SPIRIT FORM OF GOD THE FATHER, AS THOUGH THE FATHER AND HIM ARE 2 DIFFERENT PERSONS. No, the different is one was the flesh, the other was His Spirit.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 The same truth, the real me are the spirit man that live in this human flesh, The trouble with trinitarian is they thought the body and the Spirit are 2 different persons, Its amazing that people talk about the soul, spirit and body, but they're the one are cluless of what they're saying. The most ridiculous thing to say is that these 3 are different persons make-up into 1 person! The same, the Bible only speaks of 3 Titles pretained to God, not telling you they are 3 persons!
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 In order to have 3 Gods in 3 persons, Each person must have power and authority that is separate from each other and INDEPENDENT from each other.
God means "Supreme Majesty" or "Supreme Authority" or "Supreme Power", and There is only 1 "Supreme Authority" or 1 God. over all powers or authorities and nations.
This is why its important to note that Jesus' Power is NOT of himself. If Jesus claims his Power is of Himself, then Jesus is proclaiming he is ANOTHER GOD!
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 So you're telling us that there is 3 different persons gods, so thats your pagan idea. True christianity believed only ONE God, One Spirit, ONE AND THE SELF-SAME Person Godhead. JESUS ONLY TELLING YOU TO WORSHIP THATS ETERNAL SPIRIT, NOT SAYING THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT PERSONS. The Body have to glorify the Eternal Spirit always, and that Spirit live in that body of Jesus Christ! Always the same person God.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 We don't believe "3 different persons gods"--That is incorrect.
We believe in 3 different persons have UNITY in Authority--TRI-UNITY. We Believe the Father is the ulimate authority and that Jesus and the Holy Spirit authority comes from the Father. The Son and the Holy Spirit do not have authority in themselves, rather their authority is from the Father, therefore you have only 1 God.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 If three persons have UNITY, still mean there are three different persons, or else, what language you're saying?? If you are one person, you are one person to yourself. Now you try to say three persons makeup and join into one person, thats really illogical.
If there is only One God, then He is one person to Himself. If you say God is an divine office, co-exist and join together by three different persons, you've believe a pagan religion, not Christianity.Read your bible
royaleagle1961 9 months ago
@royaleagle1961 You have 3 separate persons that have UNITY. One Person cannot do ANYTHING without the other 2 persons. The Father is the director, the Son is the translator, and the Holy Spirit is the Finisher of God's will. Just like your body, the Father would be your brain, the Son would be your nerves, and the Holy Spirit would be the Body Part. One can't do anything without other 2.
So until you can realize that Father can't kill himself, you are lost.
Judgement220 9 months ago
@Judgement220
Until you realize that every world you just spoke is "extra-biblical" and "purely theological", you are truly, truly lost. You are trying to pas off your babbling philosophy as scripture. You are claiming another person is lost for rejecting something NEVER once directly, explicitly and clearly stated in Scripture. You are one sick pup. Why don't you "get lost" pagan.
evesplittheatom 8 months ago
@evesplittheatom I'm a Pagan because I believe Jesus and the Father are 2 persons? How about believing Jesus when he refers to the Father as "My Father". When you say "My Father" you are referring to another person. Guess what? Jesus continued to refer to the Father as "My Father" in the book of Revelation when He is in heaven! Also why did the Father refer to Jesus as "MY Son", another person when Jesus baptized?
I'm all for believing what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS. Is my faith too strong?
Judgement220 8 months ago 2
@Judgement220 Jesus said in Rev.22:16, I am the root and the offspring of David....How was Christ before (root) David and at the same time came from the line of David (Offspring)??? and how was Christ the Lord of David and the same time He was called Son of David??? Matt 22:42-46. So the "Son" was ACTUALLY only refering those of HIS TITLES, NOT saying HE WAS ANOTHER PERSONS NEXT TO GOD! Son was only a Title pertain to God, NOT literally another persons beside God, for there was NONE! get it?
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Then tell me why Jesus refers to the Father as "My Father" another person and Tell me why did the Father refers to Jesus as "My Son", we got on record by the witness of the Apostles that the Father and Jesus both refer to each other as separate persons. Not only that, Jesus spoke to John FROM HEAVEN and CONTINUED to refer to the Father as "My Father".
Judgement220 7 months ago
@Judgement220 You are pagan if you ever believe in 2 or 3 different persons gods.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Its 3 persons, 1 God.
The Father cannot be God without Jesus and the Holy Spirit,
Jesus cannot be God without The Father and The Holy Spirit,
the Holy Spirit cannot be God without The Father and the Son.
Judgement220 7 months ago
@Judgement220 And in John 20:17 it has Jesus saying "my God".
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish That is correct Jesus referred to the Father as "my God" pertaining to his human nature, but not his divine nature. Apostle Thomas called Jesus "My Lord and My God", John 20:28.
Jesus clearly has 2 natures According to John 1:1-13 and Col 1:16-17. Again, I'm all for believing what the Bible actually says.
Judgement220 7 months ago
@Judgement220 No, he was talking about the Father, not referring to his own human nature. When Jesus said "my God" he was actually saying the Father which is in Heaven is his God.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish You need to read what I wrote you.. Jesus is both human and God, but as a human being, His Father, a separate person, is His God. The Father is the Father of Jesus because Jesus is a human being BORN through a woman. IN the same chapter just a few verses away, Apostle Thomas called Jesus God. Jesus has 2 natures: a human nature and a Divine nature.
Judgement220 7 months ago
@Judgement220 And since Jesus has a God that means they are not the false "trinity" you give to the Godhead, the biblically correct term.
majinish 7 months ago
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@majinish Please tell me what you understand about the trinity?
Judgement220 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 When you say "MY Father" you are not referring to yourself! That's why your analogy of you being a father and son does not make sense in regard to Jesus. Jesus clearly teaches that the Father is another person, but maintains that His authority is FROM the Father!
What constitutes a "God" is Authority, Jesus and the Holy Spirit does NOT have authority in themselves. ONLY the Father has AUTHORITY in himself.
So we have 3 Persons that share 1 Spirit=1 Authority= 1 God.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 So you've 3 persons, so you've declared your paganism idea and trying to in-corporate into true christianity! 2 or more persons is what this very Bible condemned and God called that church that produced that idea a Harlot. 3 different spirits god can makeup into One Spirit God, if this isn't illogical, I don't know what else is? When Jesus was talking about the Father, He was refering to Himself when he was God in the Eternal Spirit form! only you've no idea what he meant to say.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 This is very logical, and you can agree. You are not part of the Church unless you have the Holy Spirit, of Whom is God, You have millions of people but SHARE the same 1 Spirit.
The same with the trinity, The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate persons that SHARE 1 Spirit, They Share 1 authority, They Share the SAME 1 DIVINE Nature.
Therefore you have 3 persons that SHARE 1 Spirit=1 Authority = 1 God
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Thats different, if both of us have the Holy Spirit, that is God omni-persent, not two different Spirit. But when we talk about THAT SPIRIT OF GOD, It is only One God, He is One person to Himself not three persons, so the Father, Son & Holy Spirit, was only speaking of the three different ROLES of God.
God is a Spirit, to say that that Spirit also makeup by three different spirits, is illogical and paganism. GOD ONLY IMPART HIS SPIRIT TO US, NOT SHARING OF SPIRIT IN HIMSELF
royaleagle1961 9 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Yes God is a Spirit but explain this:
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13
How can the Promised Holy Spirit be the Father, if HE WILL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but whatever he shall hear or what ever he was TOLD. Jesus is saying the Spirit will not tell you of his own will, but another's will. Explain?
Judgement220 9 months ago
@Judgement220 You said God was Jesus father, but the Scripture said Jesus was conceived BY THE HOLY GHOST! Matt.1:20. If the Holy Ghost and the Father are two different persons, than Jesus was an iiegitimate child because He had two fathers! thus trinity doctrine is blasphemy! therefore the Father and the Holy Ghost has TO BE THE SAME PERSON! Isnt God a Spirit and Holy is a verb? And isnt Jesus is THE COMFORTER (Holy Spirit) John 14:16-18 So THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON! ONE GOD, NOT THREE.
royaleagle1961 8 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Sorry, I mean God is a Spirit and Spirit is the noun and Holy is an adjective, So Holy Ghost is the Comforter which is Jesus Christ and God the father Himself. Me and the Father are ONE! which mean, the self same person!
royaleagle1961 8 months ago
@royaleagle1961 "I mean God is a Spirit" That's not exactly what the Bible says. Yes, the Bible says "God is a spirit." That's not defining his physical being. In Greek, where the New Testament comes from, pneuma translates into the english word known as spirit. The definition is life. And the "a" definite article isn't in the Greek language. The literal translation is "God is life".
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish No matter how you wants to put it, you still only one life in you to yourself; you are one person to yourself, to say that you, one person consists of 3 different persons, or you say 3 persons join into one of you, THATS THE MOST ILLOGICAL term and language to say! That how trinity doctrine is, illogical and lack intelligence . trinity was Actually a deception, they believe in pagan form of 3 gods, but cant say outrightly so they say one god but 3 persons to confuse the carnal mind
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Jesus said they were one as in one in purpose. Jesus did the will of the Father so it was as if the Father was doing what was done. It doesn't mean they're literally one God. God the Father is the only true God and Jesus was the one that said this.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish When Jesus talk of the "Father", He was metaphorically speaking or refering of HIMSELF when He was in the Spirit form! why? because of Matt 11:25-27 and also Matt.13:11-15. Father, Son and Holy Ghost are only Titles of the One and the only Ture God of the Bible. Jesus Christ is Jehovah the Saviour in human form. If there are 3 persons, thats pagan! and this is what this very Bible condemned it.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
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@royaleagle1961 @"When Jesus talk of the "Father", He was metaphorically speaking or refering of HIMSELF" Huh? So the Lord's prayer means this: "Me which is in Heaven (even though I'm right here on Earth), hallowed be my name."? You don't even make sense. Jesus stated the Father is the ONLY true God. He didn't include himself or the Holy Ghost. They are 3 beings which is something the Bible backs up.
majinish 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 "but the Scripture said Jesus was conceived BY THE HOLY GHOST" No it does not. Mary was with child who was of the Holy Ghost, not by the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the Son of the Father, not the Holy Ghost. Yes, God is the Father of Jesus. That's straight out of Ephesians 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." In John 20 Jesus tells Mary he hadn't ascended to the Father who is his Father who is Mary's God who is also Jesus' God.
majinish 8 months ago
@majinish It does! just that you don't want TO READ the way It was written that Jesus was conceived, whether its "by' or "of" the Holy Ghost, still mean the same. Father and the Holy Ghost IS THE SAME SPIRIT, AND JESUS CHIRST IS THE HOLY GHOST THE COMFORTER! THAT MAKE ALL OF THEM ONE, WHICH MEAN SELF SAME PERSON, NOT THREE. Jesus said, you see Me, you have seen the Father, He was the "Father", God in Spirit form before He became flesh and dwell among us!
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 No, being "of" and "by" something aren't the same thing.
@"THAT MAKE ALL OF THEM ONE, WHICH MEAN SELF SAME PERSON, NOT THREE" That's not even trinitarian, that's modalism. You can't even get your own beliefs right.
@"Jesus said, you see Me, you have seen the Father" Because Jesus did the will of the Father so it's as if the Father was there.
majinish 7 months ago
@majinish Well if you wants to believe in a lie, thats what you'll thought. True "ONENESS" is always the original teaching of the Bible way before the pagan form of trinity that came after Roman church, it a facts maybe you don't want to know, thats all. I'll suggest you read John 14:8-9, Philip were asking to see the Father, so Jesus told him the true that HE WAS ACTUALLY THE FATHER (GOD IN SPIRIT FORM), Don't twist the Scripture to suit your theology, read it the way it was meant to say.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Don't worry, I don't believe in lies. That's why I don't believe in the "trinity" or Modalism, I believe in the teachings of the scriptures. They are one in purpose, not one single being. I already explained it to you. Jesus did not say he literally the Father and the Son. He did the will of the Father so it's as if the Father was doing the things. I read the scriptures according to how they teach which is contrary to what you've said.
majinish 7 months ago
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@royaleagle1961 Read Rom 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
You can look at creation, and see God's invisible qualitiies-Like the trinity.
You have 1 Stone but has 3 dimensions of 1 space, X-Y-Z or Hieght-Width-Depth
So you have in nature
3 demensions = 1 Space = 1 Stone
In the GodHead:
3 persons = 1 Authority = 1 God
Judgement220 1 year ago
@royaleagle1961 There is more from God's Creation that proves God's devine Nature:
Each atom, the building blocks of God's Creation, has 3 parts=Protons, Neutrons, Electrons.
In Time you have 3 dimensions of Time = Past, Present, Future.
All created natural bodies that takes up space is called "Matter", it comes in 3 Forms: Solid, Liquid, and Gas
God's Divine nature is staring you in the face, you have 1 God, but there is 3 parts of God or 3 persons. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 You have a body, a spirit and a soul, you come in 3 form, so are you saying there are three different PERSONS in you????
Are these 3 persons join and make-up one of you??? You too also a father, and a son, also a uncle and maybe a manager, are all these ABOUT 4 different PERSONS make-up of you???
If you cant see whats been said, really, I don't know how to help you! God is always in simpicity not illogical and senseless, its only carnal mind are so coiled up with theology.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 The Body, Soul, and Spirit are 3 dimensions of 1 Being. This another good example of the Trinity. The trinity is 3 co-existent, co-eternal PERSONS in 1 Being.
Judgement220 7 months ago
@Judgement220 our pastor also used this wonderful example but before i say it i have herd oneness's use this example they have said God is like water steam and ice all one but all different natures and to me this sounds like a good idea but there lies a problem in it the ice is still water and the steam is still water and as i know it to be true in the case of God the Father is not Jesus and the Holy Ghost is not Jesus however
kiekie84 1 month ago
the example my pastor gave which i find to be true is that God is like en egg you see God always leaves his thumb print so to speak or his mark of the truth were it can be found so with that being said lets look at an egg we have the shell the white and the yoke well when you hold up an egg how many eggs do you have... one! but when you crack the egg open and divide the white and the yoke into two bowls what do you have on the counter the shell the white and the yoke
kiekie84 1 month ago
further more you can not whisk the shell to make eggs you see each part of the egg has it's own place in life and is there for it's own reason yet they all work together in agreement as one :) just thought i might share this example as well! :) God bless bye
kiekie84 1 month ago
ps: 1john 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. if the Father is just a nature of Jesus as they say then then there is no real Father just a different nature to Jesus and therefor a Father who does not exist can not give a Son called the Son of God cuz there has to be a Father to give a Son
kiekie84 1 month ago
and if God the Father does not exist then they have made God a liar; because they believe not the record that God gave of his Son cuz You can not give a Son unless you are a Father :)
kiekie84 1 month ago
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@Judgement220 Jesus said, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Rev.1:8. I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen. Rev.1:17-18. Do you see 2 or 3 different persons here the Scriptures spoke about Christ?? If you see more than one persons, you've lost your Spiritual sight.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 I see 2 person here:
"He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. " Rev 3:21
Looks like 2 persons to me, Jesus sitting with His Father on the throne.
Judgement220 7 months ago
@Judgement220 The real confusion is that trintarians thought that Father and son are 2 different person, but the Bible only speak of God having 3 different ROLES He displayed. Just like I'm telling you now that I myself a father as well as a son today, these are my 2 different roles I have today, I'm not telling you there are 2 different persons in me! course that will be the most illogical and the most senseless statemant to say! Isn't it? Jesus was only expressing the Godhead metaphorically.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
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royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220You still haven't tell me, how was God the Father became a Saviour?Isa 45:21-22. How did He saved us and by what he did to save us? If there was no other God beside Him alone, so who was the Saviour actually? if you can see these points. Also how can God created another God called the Son(as trinitarians offen made that claim they are different person) and so how can the son still be God and Deity if He was created and having a beginning? If you can see, you'll change your idea
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Perhaps you should tell us, How did God saved the sinners? by what? How did God carry out His redemption plan? why did God ordain animals sacrifice? what does that mean? If you can see these spiritual principle in God's ordained way of salvation, you'll get to understand why there could NOT have 3 different persons in the Godhead (it always the self-same peprson) instead of pick words like "us" and out of context understanding of the Word and make a false religion of 3 persons.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Have you not read the Book of Hebrews? I suggest you read start from the first chapter, what did God do to save the sinners? Didn't the Scriptures plainly shows that God laid down the plan and foundation of His salvation by His own Blood and nothing else? Heb:7:27 said God, for this He did once, "WHEN HE OFFERED UP HIMSELF." HE CANNOT SEND OTHER TO DO THE JOB, THERE WAS NONE! Than how could God do that if He was still in the Spirit form?? think! God gave His own Life. Amen.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 If God really to pass the judgment, but who can bear? Because God loves His own, when His own sins against His law that require judgement, instead of put it on His children, HE POUR HIS JUDGEMENT AND WRATH UPON HIMSELF ON THAT BODY OF HIS! HE BEAR THE CROSS HIMSELF TO SAVE HIS CHILDREN, we are saved by the Blood of an innocent (this is what we call Grace!). If you can see this Spiritual Priniciple of the Bibe, you'll able to see more and far and why there couldn't be 3 persons.
royaleagle1961 1 year ago
@Judgement220 . If there are three different persons, although the same substance (person), still make of three different persons; To say that "One God make up by three different gods still remain as One God" is the most illogical and lack intelligent statement .
JESUS CHRIST IS JEHOVAH THE SAVIOUR INCARNATED IN HUMAN FORM, there is always ONE PERSON GOD AND NONE ELSE! So declared the Scriptures.
royaleagle1961 8 months ago
@royaleagle1961 you said: "JESUS CHRIST IS JEHOVAH THE SAVIOUR INCARNATED IN HUMAN FORM, there is always ONE PERSON GOD AND NONE ELSE! So declared the Scriptures."
Well you going to have to explain how the Father turned himself into a lamb for himself and killed himself. and please explain why in the Book of Revelation, Jesus CONTINUED TO SAY "MY FATHER" another person. while He is in heaven. You got some serious theological issues to deal with.
Judgement220 8 months ago
@Judgement220 Precisely! in order for Jehovah to turned Himself into a sacrifical lamb, He had to have a body of flesh! Spirit cant die. Thats why Jesus was call EMMANUEL, GOD WITH US, NOT another God with us! When Jesus talks about the Father, He was only metaphorically speaking or refering Himself when he was in the Spirit Form, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are only 3 Titles pertains to God, not telling you they are 3 persons, that will be paganism which this very Bible condemned.
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@Judgement220 Didn't you read the Bible that say God make himself a body and took on Him the seed of Abraham? You still don't get it? What wrong with your mind? and guess that have been so coiled up with theological doctrine that you can't see the simplicity of the Truth? How was God going to turn Himself into a sacrificial Lamb and shed His Blood, if He was in the SPIRIT FORM?? The Scriptures plainly declare that THERE WAS NONE OTHER BESIDE HIM! and you keep saying there are 3, something wrong
royaleagle1961 7 months ago
@royaleagle1961 Simply tell me why Jesus referred to the Father as "My Father" another person?
Judgement220 7 months ago
Let's start from the beginning.
Father, Son and Holy Ghost are not names, are only titles.
God has many titles, but there is a name by which we must be saved.
Emmanuel, God with us, Jesus.
Rev 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” (The first and the Last) says the LORD GOD, “who is and who was and who is to come, the ALMIGHTY
TheEl7ohim 1 year ago
@TheEl7ohim You got it! Its always the self same person in the Godhead "For in Him (Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" (Colo.2:9), mean Jesus is EVERYTHING, He is the Father, son, Holy Ghost, all are IN HIM. Paul and the early Christian's church have the same revelation, 1 Timothy 3:16 only say of the same Person, not three.
Father, Son and the Holy Ghost are only three titles/office/attribute pertain to God, and His name is the LORD JESUS CHRIST! Amen.
royaleagle1961 9 months ago
Google the name "YAHWEH". Please report back to YouTube here in the reply.
Thank you for you time. I wish we had a face to face opportunity to swipe wisdom concerning the teachings we debate for the better cause of gaining more wisdom, and understanding of Yahweh's spoken word written in scripture by the prophets.
IF anything, at least Google may point you to that understanding and perfect wisdom, so you can have peace with it at your own pace. Good luck, I hope find the answers you seek.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz "Google" LOL, No sir, you go to the library and read scholorships and learn from the Scholars. Scholars will say word for word what I said, Not just that. A lot of Scholars don't say "YHWH" but "YHVH" or which makes it more likely that "Yahweh" is not the true pronunciation of God's name. It is forbidden to say the name of God, that is why no one knows the true pronunciation.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 I've been studying for years and read tons of books written by Scholars; books on most well-known religions of many nations, But you know what I have found out? Yahweh is the Almighty Scholar of all time, and every last Scholar that ever was, Is or is to come will never get near the wisdom of Yahweh. Nay, for me, Almighty God is the main source of wisdom, and there is no need to look right or left.
Take good care. Thank you.
Yahweh's Word is all I need. He has said it himself
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT LOVE YAHWEH AND HONOR HIM FOR HIS TRUTH:
PSALMS 82
1YAHWEH stands in the congregation of the mighty;
[ Wow! Yahweh has legs and feet to stand! Boy, I though He was only spirit. Wait Exodus 24:10 declares Yahweh has a heavenly BODY with FEET. oops! ]
1 ;HE [ Yahweh] judgeth among the gods!
[ wow! look at that. Yahweh is speaking and judging, among the gods!]
2 "How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?
continue....
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
PSALMS 82 continued, YAHWEH speaks
3 "Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 THEY know not, neither will THEY understand; they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
Verse 5 can relate to blind Trinitarians that believe in Satan's false doctrines and don't know they are gods, neither do THEY understand, THEY walk on in spiritual darkness of Satan's trinity.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz You are not a god now unless you hold a position of authority. If you are a Judge, Mayor, Police Chief, Governor, President, etc. you are a "god". If you are not in a position to excercise justice in society, you are not a "god". Verse 5 talks about corrupted leaders of justice. You do not understand scripture.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 I am a god according to YAHWEH's own decision to created his sons and daughters in His Likeness and image. Don't get mad because Jesus is a son of Yahweh and that is all Jesus is. Jesus is not YAHWEH the Almighty God and you are doing everything in your mind's power to not accept Psalms 82, because it defeats Satan's trinity thoroughly without end!
YAHWEH will destroy your soul in Hell and the lake of fire. Get wise, or you will suffer for all eternity for loving Satan's trinity
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called THEM gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; " John 10:34-35
Why did Jesus say "If he called THEM gods" in Verse 35 when he was talking to the Jews? Why did Jesus say "THEM" instead of "You" in verse 35. This is just proving my point that only people with authority are called "gods"
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Because Jesus is trying to establish the fact that he is a son of YAHWEH, And all sons of Yahweh were created gods! Jesus is reverberating Psalms 82:6 and teaching the JEWS what they have forgotten. He is trying to teach a hoard of blind religious leaders and teachers that forgot YAHWEH called Moses and ISRAEL gods! So that is why Jesus is saying "IF YAHWEH called them gods, unto whom the word of YAHWEH came, and the scripture CANNOT BE BROKEN!"
YOU cannot break YAHWEH's words!
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz You are wrong. Jesus says "THEM" to the jews because none of them were in a position of authority. Governor Pilate is a "god" Herod the King is a "god" only those in position to exercise Justice is a god. You don't understand what "god" means, it means a person of authority that exercise Justice in a society.
Understand that any judge, Governor, Mayor, etc are assigned by God himself. Their job is to protect to poor and the innocent. That is what Psalms 82 is about.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 You have no understanding whatsoever. IT would be almost impossible to teach you, unless Jesus himself stood in front of you said what he said at JOHN 5:37. I got it! Let's PRETEND that JESUS is sitting next to you this second and Jesus tells you this.
"Hey Listen closely, Father Yahweh himself whom has sent Me, HE borne witness of Me, You have neither heard Yahweh's voice at any time, nor have You seen HIM, nor his shape or form"
Are you still going to believe the trinity?
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz This is what John 5:37 says:
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. "
Jesus is talking about the Father, Jesus is NOT the Father. You are talking to a trinitarian, we do not believe that Jesus is the Father. You don't know how to debate.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Sorry to tell you this, but you lost this debate! YAHWEH IS The FATHER, Therefore JESUS really said it that way, since Jesus is Hebrew, we are certain that Mary & Joseph taught Jesus that YAHWEH is the Almighty God!
"And the Father YAHWEH himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard YAHWEH's voice at any time, nor seen Yahweh's shape!"
What are you scared of? Are you hurt that JESUS does not support the trinity? Don't lie! YAHWEH IS the Father!
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
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upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@Judgement220 WHO Is Jesus referring to at JOHN 5:37? JESUS IS referring to YAHWEH The Father! Don't lie like a demon. Satan's trinity is coming down and JESUS himself is against your false trinity!
Trinitarians tremble at John 5:37, because JESUS is not the FATHER! Jesus told the Jews near the Temple that they never heard Yahweh's voice at any time, nor SEEN Yahweh's shape!
Not a single trinity in sight! What more Proof do we need? JESUS does not lie! Jesus is not Yahweh and admits it! :D
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz Jesus is referring to the Father, Jesus is clearly not the Father in John 5:37.
Trinitarians DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE FATHER.
I don't believe that Jesus is the Father, that verse only supports my doctrine.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Of course not! You only believe that Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh, right? Sorry, I didn't mean to spoil your fun playing in Satan's trinity sandbox. I'm sure you don't believe that Jesus is "Father YAHWEH, the Almighty God." I mean, after all, that would be blasphemy if any trinity disciple or Trinitarian keeper ever taught the world that Jesus and Father Yahweh are ONE Almighty God, right?
Naw, you'd keep that to yourself at your trinity churches, right? YEAH, I bet you do.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz In John 5:37, it says "Father", you can insert "God" all you want but Jesus always makes a distinction between himself and His Father, tell the oneness gang this verse not me.
Let me educate you about the word "Yahweh", did you know this is not the correct pronunciation of God's name but only an estimate pronunciation. Even the Jews, do not know the correct way to say his name because it was forbidden to say or write so its written as "YHWH" Educate yourself.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 And Whom do you suppose that FATHER is, Santa Claus? LOL
Nay, YAHWEH is the Father! [God]? Nay.
All worldwide Bible scholars agree its, 'YAHWEH', so we can insert YAHWEH at any point of scripture were the man-made terms 'God, the Almighty, the LORD, holy One of Israel, the Lord of Host, the Most High, Adonai, or the Father...are inserted. That is acceptable! You can stop any Jew on the street and say, "To Yahweh is all the glory!" and they will smile at you and say, "Amen!".
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz Bible Scholars AND Jewish Scribes will tell you that "Yahweh" is only an estimated pronunciation of "YHWH" not the real Pronunciation. Nobody knows that pronunciation of "YHWH", it has been lost.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Which is closer to the holy name of YHWH, the plain descriptive word "God" or an actual name like "YAHWEH"? YAHWEH :)
English forced the vowels into place so that we can pronounce it, as close as possible as to how the Rabbis read it from the Torah or Tanakh. I have viewed many Hebrew-Jewish telecast Marathons on TV or here on YouTube.
They may say 'YAHWEH' and sometimes it sounds like 'Yahveh with a "v sound. But most people say it with a 'w' sound. I choose to use Yahweh.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@ Judgement220 The Irish rock band, 'U2', has a song here on YouTube. It's called 'YAHWEH'. Listen to it when you get a chance. Its sorta cool. Also type in 'Yahweh' here on YouTube and there are many Rabbis that teach about Yahweh, the Almighty of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.
'Peace in our minds, let not our anger set with us before we sleep. Wake up with greatness and live the day with good gestures. IF I have offended you, I apologize. Forgive me for my flaws if they were in your face. Amen.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz By the way Heb 1:8 was taken from Psalms 45:6. Why is Jesus called "God" not "god". Could it be that Jesus is "God"? Could you be in error this whole time?
Again, if you believe that Jesus is anything other then "God", its foolish to believe in christianity. The oneness gang at least got that much right. You have no choice but to believe that Jesus is God.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 Come on now, READ Psalms 82. The way it starts is quite conclusive that YAHWEH created us gods. 1 YAHWEH stands in the Congregation of the Mighty, HE judges among the gods!
THEN Yahweh declares this with ALL Truth and Authority:
6 I SAID, Ye Are gods! And ALL of you are Children of Yahweh [the Most High]
If you can't accept Psalms 82:6 as Yahweh's personal Truth, then no one else convince you. Yahweh created us gods, and Jesus is also a god but not the Almighty God. Take care.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz I read Psalms 82, now answer this question about Psalms 82; You said that you are a "god" now while Psalms 82 says this:
"How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked" Psalms 82:2
Now answer my question, are you RIGHT NOW, in a position of exercising justice in your society? If you do, please tell me what your profession is.
Judgement220 1 year ago
@Judgement220 YAHWEH is venting against Evil doers, AND how Believers in this Earth need to practice perfect justice so that we may free the demoralized and sorrowful ones.
But YAHWEH created us gods in His Likeness and He wants us to have power!
YAHWEH said, "THEY know not, neither will THEY understand; THEY walk on IN darkness:
all the foundations of the Earth are out of course!"
YAHWEH is teaching us All that we are gods and His children that HE created! Get it now? HE wants us to know it!
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
Even IF a homeless Man has a golden voice, YAHWEH will find that Man with the golden voice and raise him up, because HE wants us all to shine for more than 15 minutes of FAME! What will you gain if I tell you my occupation? I can build a Mansion all by myself and knock it down quicker than I build it. I can produce professional Music on a genius level. I can fix computers and heal people with laughter. I am not selfish.
I am rich, because I am a son of YAHWEH, a prince of peace and soon a king.
upNyaBizznizz 1 year ago
@upNyaBizznizz Answer my question. Psalms 82:2 is speaking to those who has capability to exercise Justice. because that is Psalms 82:2 defines what a "god" is for the whole chapter. You cannot break scripture remember?
Are you in a occupation to exercise Justice like a Judge, Mayor, congressman,governor, etc? Are you any of these?
Judgement220 1 year ago
YAHWEH created His c