@Taurus01979 the only reason you get so angry is because you fear they might be right, which is the same reason you won't well receive this comment. :)
@numbandbreathless Who's angry? I just think they are very arrogant and it's rather scary that people in their mental state actually exist. Especially when such crazy people want to impact others.
Uhm, evolution is a fact, not a political, religious or economical theorem. Religion, politics and economics should stay _out_ of schools until such a time that the persons attending, have developed a mind capable enought to be able to choose freely without it being forced onto them by teachers, friends, parents, priests, and what ever the religious type leaders are called. Even mentioning a GOD or deity should be prohibited, unless you would want to scare the child into living a religious life.
Evolution is not a theory, it is fact. Evolutionary biologists document the fact that evolution occurs, and also develop and test theories that explain its causes and have been doing so for a very long time. Belief isn't even necessary as it is very easy to prove. Arguing it is pointless as, as stated previously, it is a fact.
Wow can't beliueve u wanted 2 friend me, anyways UR point was very 1 dimensional,4 instance why is it okay 4U2 learn about, Greek, Roman,Aztec, Egyption,Mayan
but U go against Christian God. 2nd planets are named after them and no1 takes out there name.& we all know these Gods needed worse sacrifice, caused even worse wars.But the only thing u were right in is why not all religions B learned. I don't know but we sure do learn about the roman/greek.egypt Gods, why aren't u biased against them.
When learning about the roman and greek gods in school, they never called it "creationism" they called it MYTHOLOGY! As in, look what these silly old cultures used to believe.
But I DO believe we should learn about Christianity in school, along with jewdism, islam, budism, roman & greek gods, egyptions gods. They should simply title it "Religions of the Past & Present".
@Dudex58 Learning about other faiths can be fun, and teaches us quite a bit about human nature, and what horrifying things a human will do in belief of a god, any god, in any faith. Christianity is simply the worst so far, there has been more lives ruined, more lives taken over a myth. Mythology is great, and fun to learn as long as it stays in the fiction section.
Not really if u google about Romans, and greeks, they were actually pedophiles of boys and girls, and yet Christianity is pervasive, they also raped women and made them there wives. Do your research on history not just schoolbook, general ford, and thomas edison were also great assholes, one racist, and the other idea thief. But ur to buisy helping these people be role models, by just saying oh Christianity. Not certain, every theist and non theist can be good or evil
@Dudex58 I missed the Edison reference, sorry. as for what you said about doing my research, check that bible. See what christians have done in their own version of history. Samuel 15:2-4 Psalm 137:8-9 Numbers 31:7,17-18
Numbers 31: 17-18
17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
@skywize Its easy to just pick a chapter of something and make it look evil. For instance u watch a end of a movie and see a women, all bloody killing a lil girl.
Would u think A oh what an evil women, yes, cuz u didn't give the whole story. The movie is the Orphan, & the lil girl was a 33 year old women.
U have 2 remember in the bible the people were facing genocide for their beliefs. Romans, Egyptians, & so on wanted them dead. If it wasn't for the easing to Christianity u would die talking crap about Zues. If u look at there history way better at toture.
@skywize Atheist also claim it was state law that seperated church and state, but in fact if u remember Jesus when they asked him to whom they give the money, to ceaser or God. He said who is on the face. Give Ceaser what is his, and give God what is God's. Jesus was the 1st to ever have separation of state, and show u do not worship law ,with God. Look at every other religion law and religion, are together, except for U.S. China, Cuba Russia
Just because there isn't statistics of atheist there Stalin and Napolean, and just because some1 says there christian doesn't mean they are they can say they are to be in better politic,get a scholarship, be accepted by society, for a spouse. Who knows how many people lied during the 1930's to now, perhaps just to stay alive as a slave. Really u as an american make me laugh. Learn ur history 1st.
@Dudex58 crap, TMI man!...what to comment on.... first,... Orphan ruled, great flick. But you are basing your moral debate on a movie... Still, you are correct. I'll give you that. You're right. I do, however believe the bible is just another book on mythology. At best, it's just another story book. A fable. Like any fable, you should take from the good, and disregard the bad completely. There are many, though who take the entire book as...well...gospel. This is ignorant and dangerous.
Thats ok,we must look back at the bad not let the bad happen in the present. Its not my place instill beliefs, or judge them. I don't believe that if u don't believe, u automatically go 2 hell. Jonah ran away from God, David slept with his friends wife, Samson a prostitute, man that was rich , poor kid stole scraps went 2 heaven, Moses broke tablets in anger, Sodom & Zamora the sisters had sex with the father.
@hydrolito Thats just it the bible shows God didn't choose perfect people, but that they became perfect through him, & changed their evil ways.Why do u think God choose these people? Was it because they were perfect? Rhetorical questions. Or perhaps he did choose them BCUZ they were imperfect, so we can C how 2go2 him,& become better through him, so that we go to him w/o being scared of our bad past & change. The whole point is that God chooses people who by free will r willing to change.
I don't quite grasp what you are getting at... if you think "evolutionism" (assuming these days is a blanket term for evolution in biology, nucleosynthesis, physical cosmology etc) is a religion then simply you couldn't be any further off.
@numbandbreathless If Evolution is a religion then I guess you also believe Gravity is a religion also. Do you need to see what happens if you defy it on a high building or a mountain? Guess it's a better religion not to defy then.
Thanks for posts Carrie :-). I would suggest reading Psalms 14 and 19 and Romans 1 to show about God revealing Himself in natural revelation. After that slowly and with an open heart read the entire Gospel of John and Romans to get what John wrote about who Jesus is and Romans for the entire of Christian theology in a nutshell. Many famous Christians including Luther and Wesley were saved after reading Romans. But don't go for kjv and go for good modern translation like nkjv , nasb or esv
cont. the scribe burned the page and started all over. The earliest OT text we had was the Masoretic Text between the seventh and tenth centuries AD. The Dead Sea Scrolls from 150 BCE to 70 CE agree about 99.8% with the Masoretic. So about 1,000 years of copying and less then .2% disagreement. Plus the over 5,000 early Greek NT manuscripts of events written down less than 18-30 years after the Ascension of Christ. The closest writing The Odyssey has less than 200 I think.
With the printing press, we rely much less on memorization. Not so in ancient society esp. Jewish society. A rabbi had to be able to memorize the ENTIRE OT before he could become one. Even unlearned fishermen knew much of the OT because the synagogue was the center of a Jew's life. Also Jews had many rules of textual copying which composed of a number system since Hebrew letters also can be #'s. After copying one page, a scribe checked #'s line by line up and down and if one # was off
You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. (Lewis 1952, p. 43)
Also the "telephone tag" account rings( hehe) false with the NT. Again multiple witnesses seeing the same event in ancient society where people had better memories and recitation skills.
' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse.
As C.S. Lewis wrote from wikipedia, "In a much-cited passage in the book Mere Christianity, Lewis challenged the increasingly popular view that Jesus, although a great moral teacher, was not God. He argued that Jesus made several implicit claims to divinity, which would logically exclude this: I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'Im ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I dont accept his claim to be God. "
The problem Carrie is that Jesus claimed to be God many many times. The Gospel writers as in Matthew and John were disciples and major eyewitnesses. Luke and Mark were helpers of Paul and Peter and knew the other disciples and many other eyewitnesses to Jesus and his resurrection personally. Luke esp. was a master at writing Greek and a physician and actually an early historian. The Jewish authorities hated Jesus because He claimed to be God.
Daniel Baird Wallace is a professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary where he has been tenured since 1995.
Darrell L. Bock is a New Testament scholar and research professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas, United States. Bock received his PhD from Scotland's University of Aberdeen.
New Testament scholar, Craig Evans, is the Payzant Distinguished Professor of New Testament at Acadia Divinity College of Acadia University
I was completely baffled when he said that kids couldn't read the bible of pray in school. I just graduated a few short years ago, and not only does every library of every school I've ever gone to contain SEVERAL copies of the bible (including college), my high school had a Prayer Club dedicated to praying every Tuesday at lunch hour and everyone was welcome to join. We also were allowed to celebrate national prayer day out in front of the school under the American flag every year.
I'd be more confused about why God would take 6 days to create the Earth when He could have just done it in one. I mean the Bible says the very stars follow His command and He created everything with His Word and He measures the universe with His hand. Yet He can't chose to speak through a donkey. He spoke through a burning bush. The point was Baalam was supposed to be a "powerful magician" yet the donkey saw what he couldn't: an angel of the LORD waiting to strike him dead.
@akihito007: I might laugh that the shrek donkey was talking to Ballam in the bible, but what disturbs me more is that he wasn't shocked or stunned at all that a donkey was talking to him. And what disturbs me most is that otherwise smart people accept that a donkey can talk because it was written in a bronze age story book. Take it as an allegory and I have no room to talk; take it as an actual literal event and I'm going to question your ability to reason.
The only reason why the donkey talked is because God had it talk. It was n example of God interceding in the world. The man was also a magician who worked with evil and spells. Also the king he worked for actually lived in history and the events surrounding Baalam were historical fact. We also have an extra biblical source that was found near the location of where he lived that treats him as a historical character. Numbers also backs up the culture of the day very well
@akihito007: ok let me get this straight, you believe in magicians who can cast real spells... how is this not fiction?
A king actually existed in history.. you mean a fictional book can not have reference to real people in it? Spiderman is in New York, does that mean spiderman is real? John Malcovich is a real person, does that mean that the movie, "being john malcovich" is non-fiction?
Also out of ALL of the things in the Bible the thing that trips u up is that it talks of giants and a talking snake?!? Ok giants were very large men. Don't have any of those today. The "talking snake" was Satan, a fallen angel taking the form of a part of God's good creation to mask his evil intent. No horns or pitchfork The ? u should be asking is why didn't Eve ask why and how is this creature talking to me. Not only that trying to have me doubt God and His Word.
@akihito007: no, that's not the only thing that is silly in the bible. I'm limited to less than 500 characters. I'm pointing out that these are typical fantasy creatures found in many fiction books. Saying that a taking snake was a devil is supposed to make it less of a fantasy? Saying that a fictional eve was talking to this creature makes it less of a fantasy book. If you believe in that stuff, you might as well believe that I'm a typing snake trying to my you doubt the bible.
Again you have no evidence that Eve was a work of fiction. Jesus talked about Adam and Satan many times so look at the tons of evidence that backs up the NT and shows that Jesus really is the Son of God. If Jesus really is God then when he talks of people as having really lived in history such as Abraham and Jonah and Adam than I believe him. C.s. Lewis spent his entire college career reading about myths and legends. He says that Bible is no set of fairy tales or myths.
Umm Carrie why are you laughing?!? That's not funny. I'm sorry I don't have the time to type all the notes of the NIV Archeology Bible. Let alone link to all the History channel videos or prof. websites that point to the evidence of the NT being true. All you'll do like other atheists is disregard it and say the same things over and over again.
And sorry noone had died deifying Spiderman and claiming that he died and rose for our sins. You're using a false analogy to make my argument sound stupid. It's a simple trick and you would be called out on it and deducted points in a debate class. The Gospels were written just 30 years after the Crucifixion. Small amount of time and vast # of eyewitnesses plus actions of disciples show they weren't liars. Equating Spiderman with Jesus would get u laughed off by any Professor of History.
where did spiderman come into this? and your arguement already sounds stupid. aaaand we're not in a debate class. aaand i have no idea what ur talking about. and u still haven't shown any sources, which u would be deducted points from if we were in a debate class
You have no idea because u haven't been reading. Rosie brought up Spiderman to pretty much negate all of the historical evidence of the Bible, esp. the NT. THAT'S idiotic. No you show ME sources where Jesus and the Bible are made up myths. EVERY Historical, archeological and textual fact backs up the Bible and the historicity of Jesus. The NIV Archeology Bible blows away Rose's theory alone. Practically EVERY History Prof. knows Jesus really lived. It's only hs atheists who don't.
I don't believe in reading every comment on a page. Escpecially on youtube.
Still don't know what ur talking about other than that, maybe my knowledge in this area is lacking? But I didn't say Jesus didn't exist, so I'm assuming that ur talking about something else.
Yea meant "You" as in a general you not specific you. More in lines of Rosie and others. I'd also say that many of the History Profs I had were ultra liberal Progressives who only cared about prestige and not even teaching or other people. But Daniel Wallace and Darrel Bock just a few Profs who have written about the reliability of the NT esp. the Gospels. Wallace is greatest Biblical Greek textual expert and translator of our time and Bock is a great NT Historian. Even wrote a book togethe
I believe Jesus existed. 100% I do! There is plenty of proof and documentation to back that up. My husband is a devout Catholic. My sister head of her youth group. My children are all baptized Protestant and we attend church regularly. When I celebrate Christmas I do so believing I'm celebrating the birth of Jesus, whom I believe to have existed. He was a wonderful person, preached of love and forgiveness. My personal beliefs end in the belief he was the son of an omnipotent being.
I believe many of the stories in the bible to have taken place. What I have a hard time with is to the extent in which they happened. Such as a game of telephone tag. By the time the story gets to paper, its been embellished to the point of no longer being the truth. But again, I do not believe in an all powerful being. There is just no proof.
if there wasn't an all powerfull being, I don't think we whould use words like good and evil I hunt all the time I live in gods country canada and i wacth everthing under the sun and some how for some reason i have never seen an evil or all good animal but where not animals are we? the only thing we share with them is shelter water and food, we have moraltiy&humanity good and evil so did jesus, but did he have a choice or was it blind faith? or maybe jesus believed in god which made him strong?
Good and bad was created when people started to live in communities marking as good what was better for everyone and bad what was worse. Its the same for animals, its good if it helps those who are with you and bad if it doesnt.
There are reasons why dogs try to protect their owners houses and elephants females take care of other elephants children as theirs.
You also forget the TONS of science in the Bible that scientists read about, tested, found out to be true and became famous for. REAL science backs up the Bible. The Quran is made up of bunk history and gross fully distorted Biblical history due to Mohammad not even being able to get his hands on a Bible due to none being there in his time.
@akihito007: There are TONS of science outside of the bible that is true. Most of the stuff in the bible and quran where also common knowledge to Greek society. No shock there. But Muslims defend the science in the quran just as much as christians defend the science in the bible. Real science does not back up the bible any more than other writings of that time without the twisting of interpretation.
Umm, I didn't even know about the book until all these videos started popping up. I guess some feathers were ruffled. It looks simply like a campaign to counter the campaign of Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort (or Banana - whatever his name is). The part that bothers me is how I KNOW FOR A FACT that people have been told not to pray and, when they did, they got suspended. It wasn't a teacher leading the prayer, and it wasn't anyone forcing others to pray...
If this book is no big deal, what's with all the videos speaking against it (directly or indirectly)? What's with all the highly suggestive comments like "bible thumper", or the obvious play on words like "I'm not going to say how ridiculous this all is"? This video (and others like it) make a bigger deal out of something that is not SUPPOSEDLY a big deal...or is it?
Free Will--We've all got it from God and what each one of us chooses to do, good or evil, defines who we are as people...Hopefully we can all say that we'll do good things but that's not always true!-Mikey
Actually determinism and fatalism could go hand-in-hand with free will--i.e. if you choose to pet a dog that may be rabid but you don't know it, determine that you'll pet it then the animal bites so either a fatal consequence occurs or doesn't...See what I mean MrGregable. ;-)
No, you're misinformed. Determinism flies directly in contradiction to the concept of free will because it posits that all events to come are already predetermined and therefore are no more affected by anyone's choices than they are affected by anything else. Fatalism borrows from deterministic philosophy but adds the crucial caveat that acceptance of inevitability is central to a healthy perception. See what I mean...WarlordFeyd? I 'd appreciate you not contradicting me with garbage.
Well I appreciate your candor MrGregable on this subject and thanks to you, Iam a little more knowledgeable...take care and I'll make sure to be a bit more careful with my thoughts next time-Mikey
I think that every one of you should look up the russian scientist Ivan Panin, and read about all the weird things he found written in the bible. It will give you a very interesting point of view. :]
Religious people, let them believe what they want. You can believe they're all gonna burn in hell. Go ahead. Feel pity. Whatever.
Atheists, realize we're going to feel pity for you. We have a belief system that something better is waiting for us. And realize, not all of the religious want to shove their beliefs on you. Same way I realize not all atheists want to tell me to forget my God, who helped me out of my roughest situations. Deal with it.
You say people can pray in schools... be recently 2 Florida school administrators faced contempt charges for saying a prayer at a school luncheon.
They could have faced up to six months in prison and fines if convicted. They were accused of violating a consent decree banning county school employees from initiating prayers during school events...
Courtesy of CNN.
Sure, they 'can'... but dang, they COULD possibly go to jail if they do.. depending on what the judge feels is appropriate.
@tatsudoshi65: that was a "group" prayer led by school administrators. This was after a ruling that said that the administrators were not allowed to led a prayer. Participation from an authority figure it forces children that do not want to participate in conflict with the administration. This is the same grounds that is used when an employee files a sexual harassment suit against their boss.
I'm sorry but Darwin utterly fails when it comes to how life got here let alone the over 40 laws of Physics that had to be PERFECTLY RIGHT in order for the Universe to even EXIST let alone be hospitable for life to exist ANYWHERE. When you have evolutionists on PBS NOVA admitting that there's practically NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for the last 2 MILLION YEARS of Human evolution then I say the emperor has no cloths. Let alone Darwinian evo. completly fails at explaining how DNA formed by chance.
When the origin of species was written DNA hadn't been discovered. Of course he doesn't cover it!
And the book isn't the origin of life, it's the origin of species, Its not where life came from but where diversity came from. And yes many parts of the book have been expanded upon, questioned and even disproved.
The reason it's so iconic is because this text is what caused people to think critically along different lines of how diversity came to be.
Also DNA proves my point. Darwin thought the cell was nothing more than a blob of simple protoplasm. Now we know that the simplest cell is infinitely more complex than random macro evolution over time can allow. You can't just throw random amino acids into a solution and come back in a billion years and it's become a fish. Macroevolution completely breaks down when it comes to Origin of Life and even the Origin of Species as far as the fossil record is concerned. Life is far too complex.
Actually you can. You can "Throw amino acids in solution" and find a fish in a billion years. It's not very likely and you'll need energy going into your solution but it is possible.
Looking at the end product and saying it's too complex is naive. Yes the cell is complex, that's why it took so long to arise, so did multicellularity. They did arise though and the process continued. Evolution is based on fact, Creationism on faith.
Umm no actually u can't. The exact complicated process of even getting the EXACT # and type of amino acids to form even ONE protein is inf. more complex than u make it out to be and we're not even talking about life yet.
Also just throwing time into the equation doesn't explain cell complexity. The cell is a very complex biological machine that works as a factory with many many diff. complex roles ALL of which have to be in good working order or everything fails and the cell dies.
Thats why it starts with something much more simple and slowly changes to become more complex. i mean life predates oxygen and when oxygen came about it killed most of the life on earth. Speciation caused adaptation and now there are much more efficient methods of respiration using oxygen.
I'm studying science in college, In my third year, you don't need to tell me what a cell is. Also typing certain words in all caps doesn't emphasize the point, it just comes across as shouting.
Again you have absolutely NO EVIDENCE to show that. The fossil record shows the exact opposite. There is no cellular "evolution" that shows how these ireducible complex mechanisms came to be. If one fails the cell dies. If multiple ones do more so. It's even the same for the simplest single celled organism. And that's not even getting into the information and creation of DNA to even tell the amino acids and protiens how to form and what to do.
And science in college doesn't mean much. I've been through college and know quite a few profs. It's all about politics, tenure and prestige NOT about finding the truth. Most profs hate to teach and are only there to get grants and prestige. To get grants u need to kiss butt and that means not going against the establishment. We were taught the Miller experiment in college and how it proved Darwin right. Yet now it was proven to be a bunk experiment.
Most colleges have a humanistic ultra liberal agenda and many older profs were hippies during the 60's. Almost every scientific idea now debunked was hailed as dogma and anyone who tried to disagree was vilified and mocked at. That's why science is not supposed to be by consensus but by evidence. Yet if u can't get the grant to do your work because you're not a lib. and Darwin believer u can't do research and no research no prestige and with that no respect. It's a cycle and not science.
I was going to write a long sarcastic response but it's useless. We can agree to disagree because we will get no where discussing this topic. Enjoy the truth and I'll live in blissful ignorance. Neither of us has the right to force our beliefs on the other so I won't. Afford me the same liberty and we can go on living happily.
Just remember for some people an ancient text isn't enough proof just like for you this "liberal agenda" spoils the fruits of research
Actually many historians put a lot of faith into "ancient" texts, many of which were written much later after the historical event they chronicle and have far fewer copies than the NT. When it comes to historical attestation, reliable eyewitness accounts, archeological evidence and textual manuscript evidence the NT wins hands down over ANY written document or book even up to quite a few years after the printing press. The NT historically is THE MOST accurate set of ancient documents we have.
@akihito007: first, evolution has no opinion on the origin of life. Your fight is with abiogenesis. Second, Darwins book was written over 150 years ago and it was in the infancy of the theory. More is known about evolution today than Darwin could have ever imagined.
Wrong wrong wrong. Darwin believed that life came from a primordial soup and from that origin life evolved via his Tree of Life diagram. We were drilled that diagram from elem. to high school. The problem is it's COMPLETELY FALSE. Not in the evol. bio. class sense but in the absolute sense. Tons of fossil evidence turns Darwin's Tree on it's head. All the evidence shows from the Cambrian Explosion fossil account,huge amounts of kinds of animals were found fully mature and some even livenow
Darwin never talked about the primordial soup. If I'm mistaken, please point me to the paragraph in origin of species.
I have no idea what you were taught or thought you were taught in elementary school and high school so I can't comment on that. As for tons of fossil evidence that turns it on it's head, I'd like to see some citations on that one. I'm not going to go in detail in comments but if you want to continue this in a PM, I'd love to.
@Daveinfla: Quite a few christians are smart cookies. No doubt about it. But I don't have to keep a straight face when a grown adult believe in Santa, Gnomes, or Satan. An belief isn't something you choose; it's experiences that forms it. You can't choose to believe you will fly unaided if you jump off a building anymore than an atheist can 'choose' to believe in a paradox called god.
Nice angle, good video. I agree with you for the most part, yet I am mad about the fact that they bashed a smeared a real person who can't defand himself anymore.
Interesting that when Kirk Cameron talks about his Christian faith, he is a "Bible thumper."
So, when a Muslim attempts to proselytize an Infidel, do we refer to them as a "Quran thumper?" Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. All of those converts have to be hearing about it somehow.
What a double standard that a derogatory term applied to one belief - Christianity - is okay. Apply the same term to a different religion, and you would probably have some explaining to do.
Actually, many of us look down upon the Muslims even more than christianity. The difference is that many of us tend to be more familar with the christians and the contents of their book.
why do athiests seem to hate religion so much? Its always the athiests who seem to have some kind of agenda against Christianity. We would be fine if you would just leave us alone.
Maybe; but one can also argue that christians like Kirk Cameron hate atheists and have an agenda against them by publishing such rediculous athiest bashing books. Kirk Cameron Definitley has an "agenda" against Darwinism.
@Nintendofan24x: Really? Wow. You actually believe that statement that you made? Have you read a history book? Have you read even the bible? Atheists have always been Christianity's number 1 foe. Gasp, don't believe in our sky daddy! Stone him! Everything would be fine... yeah, that's why we have our money and pledge modified to fit the word 'god' in it. yeah, that's why we have blue laws... because you guys are 'fine' if we did nothing.
The words "under god" were not put into the pledge until 1954.....long after the founding fathers were rotting in their graves. "IN god we trust" was not placed on our money until 1864, again long after the founding fathers were dead.
Many of our founding fathers were not christian, Thomas jefferson beleived in "Natures God" and condemned christianity at several points, so did Franklin. You should read up on some of these guys and their religion.
@Nintendofan24X: once again, I will say you really need to study your history. I would go into the details but cyberhouserulz got here before me. Many of our founding fathers said some of the most powerful statements against religion, we can include Washington and Adams in that list among others. (That would cover the first three presidents) and that's the tip of it.
doesnt matter what the founder fathers did or did not do. The past is the past. Christ said that many people would hate you just for following him and its true
@Nintendofan24x: You're the one that brought up what that the founding fathers believe in god. It wasn't our argument, it was yours. We just pointed out it was an incorrect statement.
I'm assuming you mean jesus christ and not hundred of other christs. If so, jesus never said anything the authors of the bible did. Even so, I could say that many believer would hate me for not believing, it's true, so I must be a demi-god. (do you really think that's a convincing agrument at all?)
If its just a book, and so is the bible, and people do obviously have a choice about what they believe, then why is it that so many atheists seem to get so much joy out of bible thumping, its a book too, so what are you really so afraid, or what are you really trying to prove?
the Bible has already been edited by those who hate God many times, it does no good to try to squelch it, it will always come back, furthermore i was punished in high school for carrying my Bible back in the 80's, it is not legal for people to pray wherever and whenever they want to anymore, many of you keep saying that it is, but it isn't, be opposed to religion if you want to, but please don't be ignorant
This looks like a copy of the "Origin of Stupidity" YouTube video that ZOMGitsCriss made. Watch ZOMGitsCriss' video instead because she's actually funny.
I have an idea. It sound like a very nice copy of the book. I think I'll take one, then it won't fall into the hands of others. All I have to do is either ignore, or remove Comfort's section of the book. This will give me a new, color version of the book and prevent succeptable minds from reading Cameron and Comfort's lies. Pass this idea along. It's only 50,000 copies. We could gather them up in an hour. Get to work!
You can see the desperation in the Christians comments on these kinds of videos. The pope is sending out all his minions to collect their cash flow.... excuse me for being another one to quote George Carlin, but he said it best in this quote as well "God can create, the earth, the sun, the sky the universe and everything in it, but for some reason he always needs MONEY!!!!"
Oh, and to set it straight, associating immorality and atheism is presumptuous and ignorant. Just to put it into perspective, I agree wholly with the last 6 commandments, not to mention the core moral foundation that's supposed to be instilled by the teachings of the book's followers. It's the prejudice, intolerance, and self-righteousness that it's created through interpretation I disagree with. George Carlin said it best " I've got nothing against God, it's his fan club I can't stand"
I'm not going to say that Christians, or anyone else that believes in God, Allah, what-have-you are inferior intellectually by any means. However, if your life is based on the beliefs contained in a single book, you're limiting your own possibilities and potential, as well as narrowing your view of existence drastically. Sorry to say, but nothing is ever just black and white, light and dark. That's far too easy, and so is looking for your answers to life within the pages of a single book
If you have a diffrent religion. They treat you like shit. Bribe you saying you need to go to church. They rise taxes on you. Pay more on health insurance. Cant to go to university unless your mormon. And they say your a bad person. I hope in year 2012 they nuke utah first.
Hey, a little dramatic, but she hits some great points and looks good. Kirk doesn't seem to recognize that the growth in aethicism occurred while the conservative Christians had to tremendous power in this country. They gave it their best shot, and aetheism grows...and 61% of science professors are aethists or agnostics, hmmmm, maybe the fact that the more educated your are the less religious you are, suggests it's all nonsense.
While its true that science professors are generally atheist you can counteract that with theology (and many other) professors having religion.
I'm not trying to sway or push views but religion is a very cultural thing. If you are raised to believe something whole heartedly then intelligence is not the only factor required to question it. It's not fair to tar Christians or any other religion's members as less intelligent, religion may just be the world they were raised in.
Let me just state for the record: Events in the Bible have happened. The great flood? Not just a Christian belief. Many cultures all over the world have records and legends of a huge flood that wiped out much of the earth. Jesus dying on the cross? Proven by simple forensic pathology. How? The time of Jesus's death proved he died exactly as the Gospels detail. Details? Read 'Every Contact Leaves a Trace' by Dr. Zakaria Erzinclioglu pages 71-75. It goes into detail and you may learn something.
Events in the bible absoloutly happened. I absoloutly believe Jesus exsisted. I never said any of that was untrue. Whether or not he was the son of some diety in the sky... that's where the true belief comes in.
Events in a Spiderman comic have happend as well. When writing fiction one usually brings in the elements of real events. Yet, some how it doesn't make the book non-fiction.
Sorry RosieDesire but comparing the Bible to a spiderman comic book is just very unintelligent. The historical, archeological and textual evidence for the NT esp. and the Bible being overall true is just too much for anyone to logically scoff at.
It isn't quite fair to say that the bible is overall true due to a few events being true. I mean by extrapolation look at the film Titanic. The general story is true and many of the events such as the band playing as people got on the life boats being true. That said the two lovers and the diamond is not true.
I'm not trying to change your view of the bible. The only thing I'm saying is that some true events do not prove the entirety of the text.
I'm sorry but I don't remember anyone risking torture and death preaching on the fact that the story of the movie Titanic was fully true and that they had been eyewitnesses to that old woman throwing the diamond overboard. You use a false example to try and discredit the Bible. The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses or companions who had fully interviewed MANY eyewitnesses who were still alive. Read the tons of history backed up by Luke's Gospel alone THEN come back on here and debate.
I did not use a false example. In fact my example was very apt. The basic story of the film is true, the historical events, but major parts of the plot were made up as a means to an end. In the case of the movie for entertainment in the case of the bible to instil good values.
Just because there isn't as much support for the movie as there is the bible doesn't make it a bad example. You may as well say a million people can't be wrong.
@Akihito007: rorkimaru is right on the button with what I'm saying. In addition we could say the same thing of the Vedas, the Quran, the lliad. Why do you take the bible as 'completely' true and not these other books? When a book has a talking donkey, giants, unicorn, dragons, people coming back from the dead after days and such, then yeah, that's a book I can logically scoff at if it's being presented as truth.
Funny how I've read the Bible and aside from the kjv there's no talk of unicorns OR dragons except in Rev. in a symbolic sense. Also u can do guilt by association with the Bible for anything. The Vedas said the earth was made up of butter and that it sits on the back of an elephant. Don't EVEN compare theQuran to the Bible because how they are even read is totally diff. from each other. Go read C.S.Lewis a man who had spent his WHOLE LIFEreading of myths andhe said the Bible was no such thing
Why is revelations symbolic when every other word in the bible is to be presented as true?
Also if you want to scoff at the Vedas's theory of the earth then why dont you find trouble in the bible saying that man is made from clay and woman was made from a rib?
Well maybe Revelation( no S) is consid. symbolic because it's clearly stated to be in many parts because it's audience understood the Jewish Apocalyptic style it was written in. John is using symbolism to explain the truth of what he was shown.
I also find no trouble in Adam's body being made from the ground because our body of course is made up of the same common elements that are in the ground. Our bodies also decompose and return to the dirt when we die.
@akihito007: many do not take it as symbolic. and even if you do, you still have to account for talking donkeys, giants, talking snakes, etc.
And yes, we can compare it to the vedas, there is about as much evidence for elephants supporting the earth as there is for a global flood. You can compare to the quran because they are both abrahamic religions and have about as many subjective claims.
C.S.Lewis was also very religious and shows up in most of his works, he is very bias in his views.
Lewis also spent his career reading about myths and legends and he said without a doubt that the Bible was no made up book of fairy tales. Dawkins is very biased in his views and he is completely ignorant when he talks about religion, let alone Christianity.
And actually a global flood very much explains the geological and fossil record we have today.
@hkihito007: Many atheists spend their whole career reading and studing myths and legends including the bible and come up with very different conclusions. Using Lewis as an appeal to authority does not work. I also don't bring up dawkins as an appeal to authority in my arguments.
And there is no evidence of a global flood and no it does not explain the fossil record in anyway. If you want to debate this issue, bring it to PM, it's gonna be a long one.
I believe the Bible to be non-fiction text. I've been a catholic since I was 13 days old. I have complete faith in my God. I would also much rather believe that when I die, I get to go to a place so much better than this and be re-united with all my loved ones who have passed before me. If all you have faith in is that we came from primates, and that when we die, all that happens is that we die, I feel the most extreme pity for you.
@lilgrlangel92: Don't misuse the term faith, I have no "faith" in anything, I have "confidence" in them. Faith is to believe something against all evidence, whereas confidence is to accept something until shown otherwise. There is a BIG difference. (cont)
(cont) And what you would "rather" believe, has no bearing on the truth. I would like to believe that people never got cancer, but what I like to believe dosen't change reality and a belief doesn't change something from fiction to non-fiction.
Yet, even your belief in a biblical heaven is flawed. If someone you love is burning in hell for all eternity, how could you ever be happy? and that doesn't even scratch the surface.
There is nothing to pity for me, I'm content. You're not, I pity that.
@mrgregable: ooooh did I strike a cord with you? Should I hold your hand and let you cry it all out? It's ok, you don't have to use an ad hominen attack anymore. It will be ok.
And if you are talking about Kierkegaard's subjectivity then you really can go down a rabbit hole. Even he speaks that objective truth is necessary. Your belief does not change reality. It can only change your perception of reality.
Funny how people who only have a passing knowledge of existentialism always seem to mention Kierkegaard as a catch all to sound as if they know something when in fact they are STUPID DUMB FUCKS. You know nothing about philosophy: objective truth is not necessary and belief can change realit
@legolasgreenleaff Evidence of what?
pochopaz7381 5 months ago
0:42 no he isn't he makes a reffrence to the bible right at the begining
mpar777 1 year ago
1:05 uh no the declaration of independance clearly says that we have been given rights by a creator
mpar777 1 year ago
I love those eyes! wow!
skywize 1 year ago
ok, totally agree with Carrie, but this has nothing to do with it. Just wanted to say,.... Good god those eyes are stunning!
skywize 1 year ago
Dumbass Ray Comfort has been twisting things around to his benefit, thanking videos like this for publicity. Effing twits, he and Kirk.
Taurus01979 2 years ago
@Taurus01979 the only reason you get so angry is because you fear they might be right, which is the same reason you won't well receive this comment. :)
numbandbreathless 2 years ago
@numbandbreathless Who's angry? I just think they are very arrogant and it's rather scary that people in their mental state actually exist. Especially when such crazy people want to impact others.
Taurus01979 2 years ago
Uhm, evolution is a fact, not a political, religious or economical theorem. Religion, politics and economics should stay _out_ of schools until such a time that the persons attending, have developed a mind capable enought to be able to choose freely without it being forced onto them by teachers, friends, parents, priests, and what ever the religious type leaders are called. Even mentioning a GOD or deity should be prohibited, unless you would want to scare the child into living a religious life.
flashchrome 2 years ago
@flashchrome what exactly is fact about a theory again?
numbandbreathless 2 years ago
Evolution is not a theory, it is fact. Evolutionary biologists document the fact that evolution occurs, and also develop and test theories that explain its causes and have been doing so for a very long time. Belief isn't even necessary as it is very easy to prove. Arguing it is pointless as, as stated previously, it is a fact.
flashchrome 2 years ago
Wow can't beliueve u wanted 2 friend me, anyways UR point was very 1 dimensional,4 instance why is it okay 4U2 learn about, Greek, Roman,Aztec, Egyption,Mayan
but U go against Christian God. 2nd planets are named after them and no1 takes out there name.& we all know these Gods needed worse sacrifice, caused even worse wars.But the only thing u were right in is why not all religions B learned. I don't know but we sure do learn about the roman/greek.egypt Gods, why aren't u biased against them.
Dudex58 2 years ago
When learning about the roman and greek gods in school, they never called it "creationism" they called it MYTHOLOGY! As in, look what these silly old cultures used to believe.
But I DO believe we should learn about Christianity in school, along with jewdism, islam, budism, roman & greek gods, egyptions gods. They should simply title it "Religions of the Past & Present".
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
@AskCarrieLee
Greece and Rome were not exactly silly old cultures.
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
@Dudex58 Learning about other faiths can be fun, and teaches us quite a bit about human nature, and what horrifying things a human will do in belief of a god, any god, in any faith. Christianity is simply the worst so far, there has been more lives ruined, more lives taken over a myth. Mythology is great, and fun to learn as long as it stays in the fiction section.
skywize 1 year ago
@skywize
Not really if u google about Romans, and greeks, they were actually pedophiles of boys and girls, and yet Christianity is pervasive, they also raped women and made them there wives. Do your research on history not just schoolbook, general ford, and thomas edison were also great assholes, one racist, and the other idea thief. But ur to buisy helping these people be role models, by just saying oh Christianity. Not certain, every theist and non theist can be good or evil
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 I missed the Edison reference, sorry. as for what you said about doing my research, check that bible. See what christians have done in their own version of history. Samuel 15:2-4 Psalm 137:8-9 Numbers 31:7,17-18
Numbers 31: 17-18
17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
skywize 1 year ago
@skywize Its easy to just pick a chapter of something and make it look evil. For instance u watch a end of a movie and see a women, all bloody killing a lil girl.
Would u think A oh what an evil women, yes, cuz u didn't give the whole story. The movie is the Orphan, & the lil girl was a 33 year old women.
Dudex58 1 year ago
@skywize
U have 2 remember in the bible the people were facing genocide for their beliefs. Romans, Egyptians, & so on wanted them dead. If it wasn't for the easing to Christianity u would die talking crap about Zues. If u look at there history way better at toture.
Dudex58 1 year ago
@skywize Atheist also claim it was state law that seperated church and state, but in fact if u remember Jesus when they asked him to whom they give the money, to ceaser or God. He said who is on the face. Give Ceaser what is his, and give God what is God's. Jesus was the 1st to ever have separation of state, and show u do not worship law ,with God. Look at every other religion law and religion, are together, except for U.S. China, Cuba Russia
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 Do you mean Henry Ford? Who is general ford?
hydrolito 4 months ago
@skywize
Just because there isn't statistics of atheist there Stalin and Napolean, and just because some1 says there christian doesn't mean they are they can say they are to be in better politic,get a scholarship, be accepted by society, for a spouse. Who knows how many people lied during the 1930's to now, perhaps just to stay alive as a slave. Really u as an american make me laugh. Learn ur history 1st.
Dudex58 1 year ago
@Dudex58 crap, TMI man!...what to comment on.... first,... Orphan ruled, great flick. But you are basing your moral debate on a movie... Still, you are correct. I'll give you that. You're right. I do, however believe the bible is just another book on mythology. At best, it's just another story book. A fable. Like any fable, you should take from the good, and disregard the bad completely. There are many, though who take the entire book as...well...gospel. This is ignorant and dangerous.
skywize 1 year ago
@skywize
@skywize
Thats ok,we must look back at the bad not let the bad happen in the present. Its not my place instill beliefs, or judge them. I don't believe that if u don't believe, u automatically go 2 hell. Jonah ran away from God, David slept with his friends wife, Samson a prostitute, man that was rich , poor kid stole scraps went 2 heaven, Moses broke tablets in anger, Sodom & Zamora the sisters had sex with the father.
Dudex58 1 year ago
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hydrolito 1 year ago
@hydrolito Thats just it the bible shows God didn't choose perfect people, but that they became perfect through him, & changed their evil ways.Why do u think God choose these people? Was it because they were perfect? Rhetorical questions. Or perhaps he did choose them BCUZ they were imperfect, so we can C how 2go2 him,& become better through him, so that we go to him w/o being scared of our bad past & change. The whole point is that God chooses people who by free will r willing to change.
Dudex58 1 year ago
I suppose it's religious propaganda.
crzer07 2 years ago
@crzer07 i suppose evolutionist propaganda would fall under that category too, since evolutionism is a religion...
numbandbreathless 2 years ago
I don't quite grasp what you are getting at... if you think "evolutionism" (assuming these days is a blanket term for evolution in biology, nucleosynthesis, physical cosmology etc) is a religion then simply you couldn't be any further off.
crzer07 2 years ago
@numbandbreathless If Evolution is a religion then I guess you also believe Gravity is a religion also. Do you need to see what happens if you defy it on a high building or a mountain? Guess it's a better religion not to defy then.
hydrolito 1 year ago
Thanks for posts Carrie :-). I would suggest reading Psalms 14 and 19 and Romans 1 to show about God revealing Himself in natural revelation. After that slowly and with an open heart read the entire Gospel of John and Romans to get what John wrote about who Jesus is and Romans for the entire of Christian theology in a nutshell. Many famous Christians including Luther and Wesley were saved after reading Romans. But don't go for kjv and go for good modern translation like nkjv , nasb or esv
Akihito007 2 years ago
cont. the scribe burned the page and started all over. The earliest OT text we had was the Masoretic Text between the seventh and tenth centuries AD. The Dead Sea Scrolls from 150 BCE to 70 CE agree about 99.8% with the Masoretic. So about 1,000 years of copying and less then .2% disagreement. Plus the over 5,000 early Greek NT manuscripts of events written down less than 18-30 years after the Ascension of Christ. The closest writing The Odyssey has less than 200 I think.
Akihito007 2 years ago
With the printing press, we rely much less on memorization. Not so in ancient society esp. Jewish society. A rabbi had to be able to memorize the ENTIRE OT before he could become one. Even unlearned fishermen knew much of the OT because the synagogue was the center of a Jew's life. Also Jews had many rules of textual copying which composed of a number system since Hebrew letters also can be #'s. After copying one page, a scribe checked #'s line by line up and down and if one # was off
Akihito007 2 years ago
You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. (Lewis 1952, p. 43)
Also the "telephone tag" account rings( hehe) false with the NT. Again multiple witnesses seeing the same event in ancient society where people had better memories and recitation skills.
Akihito007 2 years ago
' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse.
Akihito007 2 years ago
As C.S. Lewis wrote from wikipedia, "In a much-cited passage in the book Mere Christianity, Lewis challenged the increasingly popular view that Jesus, although a great moral teacher, was not God. He argued that Jesus made several implicit claims to divinity, which would logically exclude this: I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'Im ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I dont accept his claim to be God. "
Akihito007 2 years ago
The problem Carrie is that Jesus claimed to be God many many times. The Gospel writers as in Matthew and John were disciples and major eyewitnesses. Luke and Mark were helpers of Paul and Peter and knew the other disciples and many other eyewitnesses to Jesus and his resurrection personally. Luke esp. was a master at writing Greek and a physician and actually an early historian. The Jewish authorities hated Jesus because He claimed to be God.
Akihito007 2 years ago
Daniel Baird Wallace is a professor of New Testament Studies at Dallas Theological Seminary where he has been tenured since 1995.
Darrell L. Bock is a New Testament scholar and research professor of New Testament studies at Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas, United States. Bock received his PhD from Scotland's University of Aberdeen.
New Testament scholar, Craig Evans, is the Payzant Distinguished Professor of New Testament at Acadia Divinity College of Acadia University
Akihito007 2 years ago
Well said ,.. :)
dumbbell33 2 years ago
amen sister, amen
james25313 2 years ago
I was completely baffled when he said that kids couldn't read the bible of pray in school. I just graduated a few short years ago, and not only does every library of every school I've ever gone to contain SEVERAL copies of the bible (including college), my high school had a Prayer Club dedicated to praying every Tuesday at lunch hour and everyone was welcome to join. We also were allowed to celebrate national prayer day out in front of the school under the American flag every year.
galaxypirate 2 years ago
I'd be more confused about why God would take 6 days to create the Earth when He could have just done it in one. I mean the Bible says the very stars follow His command and He created everything with His Word and He measures the universe with His hand. Yet He can't chose to speak through a donkey. He spoke through a burning bush. The point was Baalam was supposed to be a "powerful magician" yet the donkey saw what he couldn't: an angel of the LORD waiting to strike him dead.
Akihito007 2 years ago
@akihito007: I might laugh that the shrek donkey was talking to Ballam in the bible, but what disturbs me more is that he wasn't shocked or stunned at all that a donkey was talking to him. And what disturbs me most is that otherwise smart people accept that a donkey can talk because it was written in a bronze age story book. Take it as an allegory and I have no room to talk; take it as an actual literal event and I'm going to question your ability to reason.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
The only reason why the donkey talked is because God had it talk. It was n example of God interceding in the world. The man was also a magician who worked with evil and spells. Also the king he worked for actually lived in history and the events surrounding Baalam were historical fact. We also have an extra biblical source that was found near the location of where he lived that treats him as a historical character. Numbers also backs up the culture of the day very well
Akihito007 2 years ago
@akihito007: ok let me get this straight, you believe in magicians who can cast real spells... how is this not fiction?
A king actually existed in history.. you mean a fictional book can not have reference to real people in it? Spiderman is in New York, does that mean spiderman is real? John Malcovich is a real person, does that mean that the movie, "being john malcovich" is non-fiction?
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Also out of ALL of the things in the Bible the thing that trips u up is that it talks of giants and a talking snake?!? Ok giants were very large men. Don't have any of those today. The "talking snake" was Satan, a fallen angel taking the form of a part of God's good creation to mask his evil intent. No horns or pitchfork The ? u should be asking is why didn't Eve ask why and how is this creature talking to me. Not only that trying to have me doubt God and His Word.
Akihito007 2 years ago
@akihito007: no, that's not the only thing that is silly in the bible. I'm limited to less than 500 characters. I'm pointing out that these are typical fantasy creatures found in many fiction books. Saying that a taking snake was a devil is supposed to make it less of a fantasy? Saying that a fictional eve was talking to this creature makes it less of a fantasy book. If you believe in that stuff, you might as well believe that I'm a typing snake trying to my you doubt the bible.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Again you have no evidence that Eve was a work of fiction. Jesus talked about Adam and Satan many times so look at the tons of evidence that backs up the NT and shows that Jesus really is the Son of God. If Jesus really is God then when he talks of people as having really lived in history such as Abraham and Jonah and Adam than I believe him. C.s. Lewis spent his entire college career reading about myths and legends. He says that Bible is no set of fairy tales or myths.
Akihito007 2 years ago
"o hai gaiz let's not state any sources!" ~Akihito007
that's what i got from ur comment
ewanl33t 2 years ago
rofl
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
Umm Carrie why are you laughing?!? That's not funny. I'm sorry I don't have the time to type all the notes of the NIV Archeology Bible. Let alone link to all the History channel videos or prof. websites that point to the evidence of the NT being true. All you'll do like other atheists is disregard it and say the same things over and over again.
Akihito007 2 years ago
And sorry noone had died deifying Spiderman and claiming that he died and rose for our sins. You're using a false analogy to make my argument sound stupid. It's a simple trick and you would be called out on it and deducted points in a debate class. The Gospels were written just 30 years after the Crucifixion. Small amount of time and vast # of eyewitnesses plus actions of disciples show they weren't liars. Equating Spiderman with Jesus would get u laughed off by any Professor of History.
Akihito007 2 years ago
where did spiderman come into this? and your arguement already sounds stupid. aaaand we're not in a debate class. aaand i have no idea what ur talking about. and u still haven't shown any sources, which u would be deducted points from if we were in a debate class
ewanl33t 2 years ago
You have no idea because u haven't been reading. Rosie brought up Spiderman to pretty much negate all of the historical evidence of the Bible, esp. the NT. THAT'S idiotic. No you show ME sources where Jesus and the Bible are made up myths. EVERY Historical, archeological and textual fact backs up the Bible and the historicity of Jesus. The NIV Archeology Bible blows away Rose's theory alone. Practically EVERY History Prof. knows Jesus really lived. It's only hs atheists who don't.
Akihito007 2 years ago
Practically EVERY History Prof. is a christian.
I don't believe in reading every comment on a page. Escpecially on youtube.
Still don't know what ur talking about other than that, maybe my knowledge in this area is lacking? But I didn't say Jesus didn't exist, so I'm assuming that ur talking about something else.
ewanl33t 2 years ago
Yea meant "You" as in a general you not specific you. More in lines of Rosie and others. I'd also say that many of the History Profs I had were ultra liberal Progressives who only cared about prestige and not even teaching or other people. But Daniel Wallace and Darrel Bock just a few Profs who have written about the reliability of the NT esp. the Gospels. Wallace is greatest Biblical Greek textual expert and translator of our time and Bock is a great NT Historian. Even wrote a book togethe
Akihito007 2 years ago
I believe Jesus existed. 100% I do! There is plenty of proof and documentation to back that up. My husband is a devout Catholic. My sister head of her youth group. My children are all baptized Protestant and we attend church regularly. When I celebrate Christmas I do so believing I'm celebrating the birth of Jesus, whom I believe to have existed. He was a wonderful person, preached of love and forgiveness. My personal beliefs end in the belief he was the son of an omnipotent being.
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
I believe many of the stories in the bible to have taken place. What I have a hard time with is to the extent in which they happened. Such as a game of telephone tag. By the time the story gets to paper, its been embellished to the point of no longer being the truth. But again, I do not believe in an all powerful being. There is just no proof.
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
if there wasn't an all powerfull being, I don't think we whould use words like good and evil I hunt all the time I live in gods country canada and i wacth everthing under the sun and some how for some reason i have never seen an evil or all good animal but where not animals are we? the only thing we share with them is shelter water and food, we have moraltiy&humanity good and evil so did jesus, but did he have a choice or was it blind faith? or maybe jesus believed in god which made him strong?
mrsuperterd 2 years ago
Good and bad was created when people started to live in communities marking as good what was better for everyone and bad what was worse. Its the same for animals, its good if it helps those who are with you and bad if it doesnt.
There are reasons why dogs try to protect their owners houses and elephants females take care of other elephants children as theirs.
poppleian89 2 years ago
@AskCarrieLee ok show me the evidence i dare you?
legolasgreenleaff 1 year ago
You also forget the TONS of science in the Bible that scientists read about, tested, found out to be true and became famous for. REAL science backs up the Bible. The Quran is made up of bunk history and gross fully distorted Biblical history due to Mohammad not even being able to get his hands on a Bible due to none being there in his time.
Akihito007 2 years ago
@akihito007: There are TONS of science outside of the bible that is true. Most of the stuff in the bible and quran where also common knowledge to Greek society. No shock there. But Muslims defend the science in the quran just as much as christians defend the science in the bible. Real science does not back up the bible any more than other writings of that time without the twisting of interpretation.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Umm, I didn't even know about the book until all these videos started popping up. I guess some feathers were ruffled. It looks simply like a campaign to counter the campaign of Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort (or Banana - whatever his name is). The part that bothers me is how I KNOW FOR A FACT that people have been told not to pray and, when they did, they got suspended. It wasn't a teacher leading the prayer, and it wasn't anyone forcing others to pray...
Jay3e 2 years ago
If this book is no big deal, what's with all the videos speaking against it (directly or indirectly)? What's with all the highly suggestive comments like "bible thumper", or the obvious play on words like "I'm not going to say how ridiculous this all is"? This video (and others like it) make a bigger deal out of something that is not SUPPOSEDLY a big deal...or is it?
Jay3e 2 years ago
May God richly bless you and reveal to you (as he did to me) the need for His Son Jesus Christ.
CheesyAnnouncer 2 years ago
I don't believe in religions that forgive evil doings. I believe in Karma. If you do good, good things will happen to you.
JoeZChannel 2 years ago
Karma can be equated to a general universal force supreme and beyond reproach or escape, i.e., a type of God. Hence you believe in God. Theist.
MrGregable 2 years ago
Free Will--We've all got it from God and what each one of us chooses to do, good or evil, defines who we are as people...Hopefully we can all say that we'll do good things but that's not always true!-Mikey
WarlordFeyd 2 years ago
Check out determinism or fatalism- kind of put a damper in the whole free will thing.
MrGregable 2 years ago
Actually determinism and fatalism could go hand-in-hand with free will--i.e. if you choose to pet a dog that may be rabid but you don't know it, determine that you'll pet it then the animal bites so either a fatal consequence occurs or doesn't...See what I mean MrGregable. ;-)
WarlordFeyd 2 years ago
No, you're misinformed. Determinism flies directly in contradiction to the concept of free will because it posits that all events to come are already predetermined and therefore are no more affected by anyone's choices than they are affected by anything else. Fatalism borrows from deterministic philosophy but adds the crucial caveat that acceptance of inevitability is central to a healthy perception. See what I mean...WarlordFeyd? I 'd appreciate you not contradicting me with garbage.
MrGregable 2 years ago
Well I appreciate your candor MrGregable on this subject and thanks to you, Iam a little more knowledgeable...take care and I'll make sure to be a bit more careful with my thoughts next time-Mikey
WarlordFeyd 2 years ago
I think that every one of you should look up the russian scientist Ivan Panin, and read about all the weird things he found written in the bible. It will give you a very interesting point of view. :]
canofboo 2 years ago
Wtf is this crazy bitch going off about?
MrGregable 2 years ago
uhm i dont like you very much....
BeNegative1995 2 years ago
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lisabauer19 2 years ago
I guess the best thing that can be said is this:
Religious people, let them believe what they want. You can believe they're all gonna burn in hell. Go ahead. Feel pity. Whatever.
Atheists, realize we're going to feel pity for you. We have a belief system that something better is waiting for us. And realize, not all of the religious want to shove their beliefs on you. Same way I realize not all atheists want to tell me to forget my God, who helped me out of my roughest situations. Deal with it.
lilgrlangel92 2 years ago
You say people can pray in schools... be recently 2 Florida school administrators faced contempt charges for saying a prayer at a school luncheon.
They could have faced up to six months in prison and fines if convicted. They were accused of violating a consent decree banning county school employees from initiating prayers during school events...
Courtesy of CNN.
Sure, they 'can'... but dang, they COULD possibly go to jail if they do.. depending on what the judge feels is appropriate.
tatsudoshi65 2 years ago
@tatsudoshi65: that was a "group" prayer led by school administrators. This was after a ruling that said that the administrators were not allowed to led a prayer. Participation from an authority figure it forces children that do not want to participate in conflict with the administration. This is the same grounds that is used when an employee files a sexual harassment suit against their boss.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Oh, I see what you're saying.
tatsudoshi65 2 years ago
I'm sorry but Darwin utterly fails when it comes to how life got here let alone the over 40 laws of Physics that had to be PERFECTLY RIGHT in order for the Universe to even EXIST let alone be hospitable for life to exist ANYWHERE. When you have evolutionists on PBS NOVA admitting that there's practically NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for the last 2 MILLION YEARS of Human evolution then I say the emperor has no cloths. Let alone Darwinian evo. completly fails at explaining how DNA formed by chance.
Akihito007 2 years ago
"I'm sorry but Darwin utterly fails when it comes to how life got here"
His theory explains the diversity of life, not its origins.
"40 laws of Physics that had to be PERFECTLY RIGHT"
I assume you mean physical constants here, but that only gives weight to the argument that the universe is the instantiation of all mathematics.
TheSameDonkey 2 years ago
When the origin of species was written DNA hadn't been discovered. Of course he doesn't cover it!
And the book isn't the origin of life, it's the origin of species, Its not where life came from but where diversity came from. And yes many parts of the book have been expanded upon, questioned and even disproved.
The reason it's so iconic is because this text is what caused people to think critically along different lines of how diversity came to be.
rorkimaru 2 years ago
Also DNA proves my point. Darwin thought the cell was nothing more than a blob of simple protoplasm. Now we know that the simplest cell is infinitely more complex than random macro evolution over time can allow. You can't just throw random amino acids into a solution and come back in a billion years and it's become a fish. Macroevolution completely breaks down when it comes to Origin of Life and even the Origin of Species as far as the fossil record is concerned. Life is far too complex.
Akihito007 2 years ago
Actually you can. You can "Throw amino acids in solution" and find a fish in a billion years. It's not very likely and you'll need energy going into your solution but it is possible.
Looking at the end product and saying it's too complex is naive. Yes the cell is complex, that's why it took so long to arise, so did multicellularity. They did arise though and the process continued. Evolution is based on fact, Creationism on faith.
rorkimaru 2 years ago
Umm no actually u can't. The exact complicated process of even getting the EXACT # and type of amino acids to form even ONE protein is inf. more complex than u make it out to be and we're not even talking about life yet.
Also just throwing time into the equation doesn't explain cell complexity. The cell is a very complex biological machine that works as a factory with many many diff. complex roles ALL of which have to be in good working order or everything fails and the cell dies.
Akihito007 2 years ago
Thats why it starts with something much more simple and slowly changes to become more complex. i mean life predates oxygen and when oxygen came about it killed most of the life on earth. Speciation caused adaptation and now there are much more efficient methods of respiration using oxygen.
I'm studying science in college, In my third year, you don't need to tell me what a cell is. Also typing certain words in all caps doesn't emphasize the point, it just comes across as shouting.
rorkimaru 2 years ago
Again you have absolutely NO EVIDENCE to show that. The fossil record shows the exact opposite. There is no cellular "evolution" that shows how these ireducible complex mechanisms came to be. If one fails the cell dies. If multiple ones do more so. It's even the same for the simplest single celled organism. And that's not even getting into the information and creation of DNA to even tell the amino acids and protiens how to form and what to do.
Akihito007 2 years ago
And science in college doesn't mean much. I've been through college and know quite a few profs. It's all about politics, tenure and prestige NOT about finding the truth. Most profs hate to teach and are only there to get grants and prestige. To get grants u need to kiss butt and that means not going against the establishment. We were taught the Miller experiment in college and how it proved Darwin right. Yet now it was proven to be a bunk experiment.
Akihito007 2 years ago
Most colleges have a humanistic ultra liberal agenda and many older profs were hippies during the 60's. Almost every scientific idea now debunked was hailed as dogma and anyone who tried to disagree was vilified and mocked at. That's why science is not supposed to be by consensus but by evidence. Yet if u can't get the grant to do your work because you're not a lib. and Darwin believer u can't do research and no research no prestige and with that no respect. It's a cycle and not science.
Akihito007 2 years ago
I was going to write a long sarcastic response but it's useless. We can agree to disagree because we will get no where discussing this topic. Enjoy the truth and I'll live in blissful ignorance. Neither of us has the right to force our beliefs on the other so I won't. Afford me the same liberty and we can go on living happily.
Just remember for some people an ancient text isn't enough proof just like for you this "liberal agenda" spoils the fruits of research
rorkimaru 2 years ago
Actually many historians put a lot of faith into "ancient" texts, many of which were written much later after the historical event they chronicle and have far fewer copies than the NT. When it comes to historical attestation, reliable eyewitness accounts, archeological evidence and textual manuscript evidence the NT wins hands down over ANY written document or book even up to quite a few years after the printing press. The NT historically is THE MOST accurate set of ancient documents we have.
Akihito007 2 years ago
@akihito007: first, evolution has no opinion on the origin of life. Your fight is with abiogenesis. Second, Darwins book was written over 150 years ago and it was in the infancy of the theory. More is known about evolution today than Darwin could have ever imagined.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Wrong wrong wrong. Darwin believed that life came from a primordial soup and from that origin life evolved via his Tree of Life diagram. We were drilled that diagram from elem. to high school. The problem is it's COMPLETELY FALSE. Not in the evol. bio. class sense but in the absolute sense. Tons of fossil evidence turns Darwin's Tree on it's head. All the evidence shows from the Cambrian Explosion fossil account,huge amounts of kinds of animals were found fully mature and some even livenow
Akihito007 2 years ago
Darwin never talked about the primordial soup. If I'm mistaken, please point me to the paragraph in origin of species.
I have no idea what you were taught or thought you were taught in elementary school and high school so I can't comment on that. As for tons of fossil evidence that turns it on it's head, I'd like to see some citations on that one. I'm not going to go in detail in comments but if you want to continue this in a PM, I'd love to.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
@Daveinfla: Quite a few christians are smart cookies. No doubt about it. But I don't have to keep a straight face when a grown adult believe in Santa, Gnomes, or Satan. An belief isn't something you choose; it's experiences that forms it. You can't choose to believe you will fly unaided if you jump off a building anymore than an atheist can 'choose' to believe in a paradox called god.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Nice angle, good video. I agree with you for the most part, yet I am mad about the fact that they bashed a smeared a real person who can't defand himself anymore.
5 stars and sub
tapotsnm 2 years ago
Thank you! :)
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
Thank for this awesome vid. Very Nice, and much appreciated. 5 stars.
cyberhouserulz 2 years ago
Thank you! :)
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
Interesting that when Kirk Cameron talks about his Christian faith, he is a "Bible thumper."
So, when a Muslim attempts to proselytize an Infidel, do we refer to them as a "Quran thumper?" Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. All of those converts have to be hearing about it somehow.
What a double standard that a derogatory term applied to one belief - Christianity - is okay. Apply the same term to a different religion, and you would probably have some explaining to do.
dadgadjohn 2 years ago
Actually, many of us look down upon the Muslims even more than christianity. The difference is that many of us tend to be more familar with the christians and the contents of their book.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
why do athiests seem to hate religion so much? Its always the athiests who seem to have some kind of agenda against Christianity. We would be fine if you would just leave us alone.
Nintendofan24X 2 years ago
Maybe; but one can also argue that christians like Kirk Cameron hate atheists and have an agenda against them by publishing such rediculous athiest bashing books. Kirk Cameron Definitley has an "agenda" against Darwinism.
Peace.
cyberhouserulz 2 years ago
Christians would be fine if atheists would just leave them alone. That statement makes me lol.
I have no beef with chrisitans. I'm married to one.
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
@Nintendofan24x: Really? Wow. You actually believe that statement that you made? Have you read a history book? Have you read even the bible? Atheists have always been Christianity's number 1 foe. Gasp, don't believe in our sky daddy! Stone him! Everything would be fine... yeah, that's why we have our money and pledge modified to fit the word 'god' in it. yeah, that's why we have blue laws... because you guys are 'fine' if we did nothing.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Our founding fathers believed in God and yes God is referenced in our pledge because of that and also on our money.
Nintendofan24X 2 years ago
The words "under god" were not put into the pledge until 1954.....long after the founding fathers were rotting in their graves. "IN god we trust" was not placed on our money until 1864, again long after the founding fathers were dead.
Many of our founding fathers were not christian, Thomas jefferson beleived in "Natures God" and condemned christianity at several points, so did Franklin. You should read up on some of these guys and their religion.
cyberhouserulz 2 years ago
@Nintendofan24X: once again, I will say you really need to study your history. I would go into the details but cyberhouserulz got here before me. Many of our founding fathers said some of the most powerful statements against religion, we can include Washington and Adams in that list among others. (That would cover the first three presidents) and that's the tip of it.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
doesnt matter what the founder fathers did or did not do. The past is the past. Christ said that many people would hate you just for following him and its true
Nintendofan24X 2 years ago
The difference is, no one here hates you because you believe.
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
@Nintendofan24x: You're the one that brought up what that the founding fathers believe in god. It wasn't our argument, it was yours. We just pointed out it was an incorrect statement.
I'm assuming you mean jesus christ and not hundred of other christs. If so, jesus never said anything the authors of the bible did. Even so, I could say that many believer would hate me for not believing, it's true, so I must be a demi-god. (do you really think that's a convincing agrument at all?)
RosieDesire 2 years ago
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tatsudoshi65 2 years ago
Great job CarrieLee! 5 stars.
paul02144 2 years ago
If its just a book, and so is the bible, and people do obviously have a choice about what they believe, then why is it that so many atheists seem to get so much joy out of bible thumping, its a book too, so what are you really so afraid, or what are you really trying to prove?
RingoPornostar 2 years ago
be careful!!! The bible is just a book too!
capecodcharlie 2 years ago
Exactly my point!
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
Hey Charlie, where abouts are you located?
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
the Bible has already been edited by those who hate God many times, it does no good to try to squelch it, it will always come back, furthermore i was punished in high school for carrying my Bible back in the 80's, it is not legal for people to pray wherever and whenever they want to anymore, many of you keep saying that it is, but it isn't, be opposed to religion if you want to, but please don't be ignorant
bronco98765 2 years ago
bollux
justinatorator 2 years ago
This looks like a copy of the "Origin of Stupidity" YouTube video that ZOMGitsCriss made. Watch ZOMGitsCriss' video instead because she's actually funny.
TranCendenZ 2 years ago
awesome video
congrads on the spotlight
TheBennyZone 2 years ago
Ugh. Wish it wasn't this one that got spotlighted...
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
my peace video got spotlighted yay
TheBennyZone 2 years ago
I have an idea. It sound like a very nice copy of the book. I think I'll take one, then it won't fall into the hands of others. All I have to do is either ignore, or remove Comfort's section of the book. This will give me a new, color version of the book and prevent succeptable minds from reading Cameron and Comfort's lies. Pass this idea along. It's only 50,000 copies. We could gather them up in an hour. Get to work!
heathdwatts 2 years ago
Great video! And I'll volunteer to edit the bible, too...one more time!
annikee59 2 years ago
Betray your gods, people.
dustingrey 2 years ago
This is purely and simply the best video you have ever made. Period.
juggler007 2 years ago
Oh, milligan, do go on ;)
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
they have set the rules of the engagement, so we can edit the bible now? i got some opinions i wanna publish...
jjjohn 2 years ago
Choose religion. It's easier than thinking.
ebtomme 2 years ago
omg i watched the video in the sude bar i actually cant believe he said that
wika57 2 years ago
Well Gee I Like The" Darwin Awards"
eufaulaed 2 years ago
No they can't.
And if it where up to the atheists, everybody would praise there intellegence and stop worshipping or dealing with God in any way.
That is there goal, and they won't stop.
Patrickthedutch 2 years ago
If it was up to christians we would all be worshipping their god on a stick and forget about learning, science or social progress.
bartyfarslar 2 years ago
You can see the desperation in the Christians comments on these kinds of videos. The pope is sending out all his minions to collect their cash flow.... excuse me for being another one to quote George Carlin, but he said it best in this quote as well "God can create, the earth, the sun, the sky the universe and everything in it, but for some reason he always needs MONEY!!!!"
skinnywhop87 2 years ago
Oh, and to set it straight, associating immorality and atheism is presumptuous and ignorant. Just to put it into perspective, I agree wholly with the last 6 commandments, not to mention the core moral foundation that's supposed to be instilled by the teachings of the book's followers. It's the prejudice, intolerance, and self-righteousness that it's created through interpretation I disagree with. George Carlin said it best " I've got nothing against God, it's his fan club I can't stand"
WhyDoBabiesStareAtMe 2 years ago
I'm not going to say that Christians, or anyone else that believes in God, Allah, what-have-you are inferior intellectually by any means. However, if your life is based on the beliefs contained in a single book, you're limiting your own possibilities and potential, as well as narrowing your view of existence drastically. Sorry to say, but nothing is ever just black and white, light and dark. That's far too easy, and so is looking for your answers to life within the pages of a single book
WhyDoBabiesStareAtMe 2 years ago
lol not in Utah.
If you have a diffrent religion. They treat you like shit. Bribe you saying you need to go to church. They rise taxes on you. Pay more on health insurance. Cant to go to university unless your mormon. And they say your a bad person. I hope in year 2012 they nuke utah first.
Kkr3wK 2 years ago
The scelletons they say is something between a human and a ape is either a retarded human or a retarded monkey.
killbill402 2 years ago
Darwin was anything but a racist. Christians must lie to keep their religion alive. Nutcakes.
DoomNoMore 2 years ago
thank you finaly some1 gets it i just want to add darwins personal life has nothing to do with his theory
MrMetalsam 2 years ago
....creationalism? wtf...
cabot2jville2010 2 years ago
i guess your really bored lady.....go find a hobby or maybe try to get laid or something.you are a big LOOOOOOOOSER.
TrainerBoy338 2 years ago
Hey, a little dramatic, but she hits some great points and looks good. Kirk doesn't seem to recognize that the growth in aethicism occurred while the conservative Christians had to tremendous power in this country. They gave it their best shot, and aetheism grows...and 61% of science professors are aethists or agnostics, hmmmm, maybe the fact that the more educated your are the less religious you are, suggests it's all nonsense.
sensaumer 2 years ago
While its true that science professors are generally atheist you can counteract that with theology (and many other) professors having religion.
I'm not trying to sway or push views but religion is a very cultural thing. If you are raised to believe something whole heartedly then intelligence is not the only factor required to question it. It's not fair to tar Christians or any other religion's members as less intelligent, religion may just be the world they were raised in.
rorkimaru 2 years ago
hahaha.
you're ugly.
and stupid :)
that stinks for you.
Gabbydelle098 2 years ago
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahaaa! Is that the best you've got!?
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
Let me just state for the record: Events in the Bible have happened. The great flood? Not just a Christian belief. Many cultures all over the world have records and legends of a huge flood that wiped out much of the earth. Jesus dying on the cross? Proven by simple forensic pathology. How? The time of Jesus's death proved he died exactly as the Gospels detail. Details? Read 'Every Contact Leaves a Trace' by Dr. Zakaria Erzinclioglu pages 71-75. It goes into detail and you may learn something.
lilgrlangel92 2 years ago
Events in the bible absoloutly happened. I absoloutly believe Jesus exsisted. I never said any of that was untrue. Whether or not he was the son of some diety in the sky... that's where the true belief comes in.
AskCarrieLee 2 years ago
@Lilgrlange92: "Events in the Bible have happened."
Events in a Spiderman comic have happend as well. When writing fiction one usually brings in the elements of real events. Yet, some how it doesn't make the book non-fiction.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Sorry RosieDesire but comparing the Bible to a spiderman comic book is just very unintelligent. The historical, archeological and textual evidence for the NT esp. and the Bible being overall true is just too much for anyone to logically scoff at.
Akihito007 2 years ago
It isn't quite fair to say that the bible is overall true due to a few events being true. I mean by extrapolation look at the film Titanic. The general story is true and many of the events such as the band playing as people got on the life boats being true. That said the two lovers and the diamond is not true.
I'm not trying to change your view of the bible. The only thing I'm saying is that some true events do not prove the entirety of the text.
rorkimaru 2 years ago
I'm sorry but I don't remember anyone risking torture and death preaching on the fact that the story of the movie Titanic was fully true and that they had been eyewitnesses to that old woman throwing the diamond overboard. You use a false example to try and discredit the Bible. The Gospels were written by eyewitnesses or companions who had fully interviewed MANY eyewitnesses who were still alive. Read the tons of history backed up by Luke's Gospel alone THEN come back on here and debate.
Akihito007 2 years ago
I did not use a false example. In fact my example was very apt. The basic story of the film is true, the historical events, but major parts of the plot were made up as a means to an end. In the case of the movie for entertainment in the case of the bible to instil good values.
Just because there isn't as much support for the movie as there is the bible doesn't make it a bad example. You may as well say a million people can't be wrong.
rorkimaru 2 years ago
@Akihito007: rorkimaru is right on the button with what I'm saying. In addition we could say the same thing of the Vedas, the Quran, the lliad. Why do you take the bible as 'completely' true and not these other books? When a book has a talking donkey, giants, unicorn, dragons, people coming back from the dead after days and such, then yeah, that's a book I can logically scoff at if it's being presented as truth.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Funny how I've read the Bible and aside from the kjv there's no talk of unicorns OR dragons except in Rev. in a symbolic sense. Also u can do guilt by association with the Bible for anything. The Vedas said the earth was made up of butter and that it sits on the back of an elephant. Don't EVEN compare theQuran to the Bible because how they are even read is totally diff. from each other. Go read C.S.Lewis a man who had spent his WHOLE LIFEreading of myths andhe said the Bible was no such thing
Akihito007 2 years ago
Why is revelations symbolic when every other word in the bible is to be presented as true?
Also if you want to scoff at the Vedas's theory of the earth then why dont you find trouble in the bible saying that man is made from clay and woman was made from a rib?
rorkimaru 2 years ago
Well maybe Revelation( no S) is consid. symbolic because it's clearly stated to be in many parts because it's audience understood the Jewish Apocalyptic style it was written in. John is using symbolism to explain the truth of what he was shown.
I also find no trouble in Adam's body being made from the ground because our body of course is made up of the same common elements that are in the ground. Our bodies also decompose and return to the dirt when we die.
Akihito007 2 years ago
Also a better translation is "he(God) took part of the mans side" since the Hebrew means side and not rib.
Akihito007 2 years ago
@akihito007: many do not take it as symbolic. and even if you do, you still have to account for talking donkeys, giants, talking snakes, etc.
And yes, we can compare it to the vedas, there is about as much evidence for elephants supporting the earth as there is for a global flood. You can compare to the quran because they are both abrahamic religions and have about as many subjective claims.
C.S.Lewis was also very religious and shows up in most of his works, he is very bias in his views.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Lewis also spent his career reading about myths and legends and he said without a doubt that the Bible was no made up book of fairy tales. Dawkins is very biased in his views and he is completely ignorant when he talks about religion, let alone Christianity.
And actually a global flood very much explains the geological and fossil record we have today.
Akihito007 2 years ago
@hkihito007: Many atheists spend their whole career reading and studing myths and legends including the bible and come up with very different conclusions. Using Lewis as an appeal to authority does not work. I also don't bring up dawkins as an appeal to authority in my arguments.
And there is no evidence of a global flood and no it does not explain the fossil record in anyway. If you want to debate this issue, bring it to PM, it's gonna be a long one.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
I believe the Bible to be non-fiction text. I've been a catholic since I was 13 days old. I have complete faith in my God. I would also much rather believe that when I die, I get to go to a place so much better than this and be re-united with all my loved ones who have passed before me. If all you have faith in is that we came from primates, and that when we die, all that happens is that we die, I feel the most extreme pity for you.
lilgrlangel92 2 years ago
"much rather believe" - this makes me feel sad for you, that you shape your beliefs on what you want, rather than what is. ._.
stealthbadger 2 years ago
@lilgrlangel92: Don't misuse the term faith, I have no "faith" in anything, I have "confidence" in them. Faith is to believe something against all evidence, whereas confidence is to accept something until shown otherwise. There is a BIG difference. (cont)
RosieDesire 2 years ago
(cont) And what you would "rather" believe, has no bearing on the truth. I would like to believe that people never got cancer, but what I like to believe dosen't change reality and a belief doesn't change something from fiction to non-fiction.
Yet, even your belief in a biblical heaven is flawed. If someone you love is burning in hell for all eternity, how could you ever be happy? and that doesn't even scratch the surface.
There is nothing to pity for me, I'm content. You're not, I pity that.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
What someone would rather believe has a bearing on the truth if you consider subjectivity the basis of anyone's truth. Dumb bitch.
MrGregable 2 years ago
@mrgregable: ooooh did I strike a cord with you? Should I hold your hand and let you cry it all out? It's ok, you don't have to use an ad hominen attack anymore. It will be ok.
And if you are talking about Kierkegaard's subjectivity then you really can go down a rabbit hole. Even he speaks that objective truth is necessary. Your belief does not change reality. It can only change your perception of reality.
RosieDesire 2 years ago
Oooooohhhh...are you a dumb bitch? Answer: Yes. Is your evasive attempt of my ad hominem a pathetic cover of your psycho insecurities? Answer: Yes.
Also, learn how to fucking spell 'ad hominem' you dumb stupid bitch.
MrGregable 2 years ago
Funny how people who only have a passing knowledge of existentialism always seem to mention Kierkegaard as a catch all to sound as if they know something when in fact they are STUPID DUMB FUCKS. You know nothing about philosophy: objective truth is not necessary and belief can change realit