@terratonific you dont have to go to amway to learn that lol its such a cult ,i agree about having a residual income but their are other ways.The people their are so brainwashed i was like what is everbody clapping about this is so stupid and i like speakers ,motivational cds and books.
wow.... I Fucken knew it!!!!! Someone told me that if you get into this business and make it big you can become an american citizen!!! I was like WTF!!! That's why alot of non-speaking english people/elligal immigrants are joinning!!! I feel sorry for them..
Amway is a piece of shit business. Even my economics teacher considers it as a fucking joke. Now, all of you Amway idiots... Do you live like a King? No. Shut the fuck up and go to college, get a good education and do something SMART with your life.
I went to university first, then went to college, was a good student, got a good education then and even better education now only to see how deceived I was into believing that this is the TICKET to an awesome life!
So you failed to realize your dreams through conventional routes, so you sought out Amway? Read Erik German's new book "My Father's Dream" about his intelligent, talented, charismatic father who rose to platinum only to be financially devastated in Amway. He says that Amway preys on rubes like you by showing them discrepancies between their real lives and their ideal lives. They did it to his father...only he had more talent/charisma than you.
I am irreplaceable and of more value in the eyes of Jesus Christ than to be molded to man's views and opinions about me. Sorry to disappoint you John.
Wait, what does Amway have to do with Jesus...unless you want to use Amway to illustrate the exact ANTITHESIS of what Jesus taught and stood for? And why is it that so much of your self-worth is tied up in whether you succeed in becoming rich in Amway if you truly believe your value/identity is in Him? And why is it that you equate faith in Jesus to faith in the empty promises of wealth in Amway?
Trust me--I am not the one who is disappointed in you
What does Amway have to do with Jesus? Nothing! Jesus taught about how to attain eternal Salvation. That was His mission! Amway teaches and gives an opportunity to earn an income. That is Amway's mission! You can not interchange or replace either one! If you want to learn about Jesus, attend a Bible study and seek out a pastor. If you want to learn about Amway, attend a workshop and seek out a mentor.
"What does Amway have to do with Jesus? Nothing!"
Then why do you pretend that anyone who rejects Amway is, in some way, rejecting Jesus? Tactics haven't changed, but I know where you've gotten them from. It was said by Dexter Yager and repeated by many that "Amway is God's business", not in the way that everything is the property of our Creator, but as if it were his one and only, conferring a messianic purpose on this pyramid scheme. In that light, your behavior is predictable.
"Then why do you pretend that anyone who rejects Amway is, in some way, rejecting Jesus?" - JohnWDB1
Wrong interpretation. When someone tells me that Amway does not work for whatever the reason when evidence is there that it works, I know that person is being used as an agent by Satan to discourage me from winning. The Bible says the Satan comes only to destroy, to lie, to steal and to kill. So whenever you come to me to tempt me into evil, I command you to leave in Jesus' name.
"When someone tells me that Amway does not work for whatever the reason when evidence is there that it works, I know that person is being used as an agent by Satan to discourage me from winning."
First, this is silly logic. You could say the same to anyone who has a different opinion from your own. Someone who thinks the Bears will beat the Packers might be an agent of Satan trying to discourage Packer fans from being hopeful for a victory.
Second, neither I nor any intelligent Amway critic has said that "Amway does not work". In fact, I've been clear that Amway works all to well in the purpose for which it is designed, to make very few very rich from the modest losses of very many. This is the principle by which pyramid schemes operate, and Amway is the very most successful at that. What makes Amway so successful at that is entirely the topic of criticism here, not whether Amway is successful in the first place.
'In fact, I've been clear that Amway works all to well in the purpose for which it is designed, to make very few very rich from the modest losses of very many.' - JohnWDB1
By your own admission, you've never studied the Amway business plan nor have put it in action.
"By your own admission, you've never studied the Amway business plan nor have put it in action."
You obviously haven't paid attention. I have studied "the Amway business plan" for nearly a decade, and I've made that plain. You're the one who jumped headlong in without due diligence. Note that I was very intrigued by the sales pitch until I looked at the facts and data. By YOUR own admission, facts and data mean nothing to you.
If all available evidence suggests that the odds of success in Amway are abysmal and that those who do succeed make most of their money from selling motivational materials and not moving product, then why would I "apply" what I've studied? I went to medical school and studied the effects of cyanide, learning that it disrupts a protein in mitochondria that prevents them from using oxygen, causing death in adequate doses. Should I "apply" that by ingesting cyanide pills?
'If all available evidence suggests that the odds of success in Amway are abysmal ...' - JohnWDB1
Not everyone who goes to medical school has the same success. The odds of success are abysmal in general because they are equal for everyone. Now, what you choose to do with the odds is all up to you.
"The odds of success are abysmal in general because they are equal for everyone."
There are no fewer than 3 things blatantly wrong with this asinine statement. Bet you won't follow, but I'm going to try anyway:
1) The odds of success are not equal for everyone, except in the lottery. In basketball, taller people have an advantage. In school, smarter people have an advantage. In politics, charismatic people have an advantage.
2) The odds of success are not abysmal in general. Amway's 99.6% failure rate is far higher than that for medical school, where less than 5% of matriculants fail to graduate and everyone who tries matches into residency. About 50% of small businesses remain in business after 5 years in this country, which is far, far better odds than one would have in Amway.
3) Even if the odds were abysmal in general it would not be BECAUSE "they are equal for everyone". There is no logic in that conclusion.
Look, you can't reason. You show it over and over again on here. But that's OK. All you have to do is listen to people who are smarter than you, and not people who stand to profit from your unquestioning allegiance.
That's the difference between you and me. I question the status quo. I research any area extensively before diving in. The only thing you question is whatever your upline tells you to question. Best of all, they give you the answers to believe so you don't have to follow up on those questions. That is the very way you've been taught to believe that people like me (critical outsiders) are mindless drones, failing to "question the status quo". The irony I'm sure is lost on you
There is no right and wrong "territory" for questioning. I question everything, especially pyramid schemes. You're the one who pledges blind allegiance. Even your beliefs about the corporate world you now regurgitate are spoon-fed to you by upline.
If you're indeed right, how do you explain then why the corporate world places restrictions on an employee's income while the president is absolved of such restrictions?
First, I don't think you know what "absolved" means. Second, the corporate world doesn't "place restrictions" on an employees income. You've been taught to think of it that way, but it's entirely asinine. There is a relatively free market out there in which people of varying skill levels may offer to sell their time/skills in exchange for money, paid what the market will bear. The market ceases to be a free one in the case where gov't intervenes--such as setting min wage.
The more rare you are, and the more marketable your skill, the more you can make in exchange for your skill. This is why NBA players make more than firemen and why heart surgeons make more than school teachers. The number of people qualified to be CEO of a Fortune 100 are exceedingly few, and hundreds of millions are at stake. Perhaps corporations over-value CEO's, but that is an error in valuation of skill, not a sinister plot to mess over the minimum wage men.
So, how rare are you John? Do you see yourself as the best you can be or is your self-image a factor in criticizing that which you chose to not pursue?
More misdirection from you. Stop trying to make this about me. I certainly don't try to make it about you. This is about fraud and brainwashing that affects millions. You and I are insignificant in the scope of this.
But since you asked, I don't derive my self-worth from being rare. Let's test your hypothesis, though. If I criticized things I chose not to pursue, wouldn't I criticize lawyers, since I contemplated a JD before opting for MD? Your hypothesis is fallacious.
Since you're as insignificant as I am as per your claim, why do you then reach out to me? You won't make me significant. I have to be reached by significant people so to become significant myself. You have to be an active student of the business to learn the business and do the business for what the business is. You chose to not pursue it, that's fine. You're not a student of the business but a man of opinions. That's cool, but opinions don't score the final victory.
"Since you're as insignificant as I am as per your claim, why do you then reach out to me? You won't make me significant."
This is a classic example of the obfuscation and vaguely philosophical waxing to which you are so prone. You don't stop to consider whether what you've said makes any sense or whether it's even pertinent to the discussion. Why would you think my goal was to make you significant? It clearly is not. No man can "make" you significant.
"Since you're as insignificant as I am as per your claim, why do you then reach out to me? You won't make me significant."
This is a classic example of the obfuscation and vaguely philosophical waxing to which you are so prone. You don't stop to consider whether what you've said makes any sense or whether it's even pertinent to the discussion. Why would you think my goal was to make you significant? It clearly is not. No man can "make" you significant.
Further, who said I'm trying to "reach out to" you? I am posting here to further inform people who haven't been adequately convinced by the compelling video. You choose to argue with what is patently true--that Amway has led to catastrophic losses for many and modest losses of time and money for millions all to make very few rich. I have no interest in dissuading you, as you lack even the reasoning capabilities required to be dissuaded.
Approaching a year now, spamming the youtube boards, waxing vaguely philosophical but mostly inane, and missing the point of every critics' argument. A year now you've been doggedly defending Amway here, but you're no closer to turning a profit in your sham of a "business". Actually, it was you and "hailusalmighty" who promised a year ago you'd be emailing me copies of your gaudy bonus checks at this time. Waiting...
You are a willing participant in a Cult based global scam with a monumental attrition rate, and the certainty that the vast majority of suckers you sponsor WILL have cause to deeply regret their involvement...yet you gleefully continue regarldless and YOU call ME Satan???
Am I missing something here?
Should we venture forth into the Wilderness to obtain Enlightenment together??
Or should I just sign up and repent my sinful ways?
@steveh777ify name 1 message from Dexter Yager that teaches contentment. As Christians we should be content in our circumstances & if we are called to build tents, carpentry or look over sheep we should to be satisfied. "Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” (Heb 13:5) "But godliness with contentment is great gain," (1Tim 6:6). This is what is not spoken of at conferences, never, & I went to them all.
'Should I "apply" that by ingesting cyanide pills?' - JohnWDB1
Wrong. With that scientifically proven knowledge, you know the outcome and thus, avoid testing on your own. However, just because I gave you this answer, it is not an open license to take it out of context and assume or be convinced that it applies to Amway just the same way. Amway works when you work Amway; period.
Third, if Satan is going to deceive you, it's not by telling you that business opportunity X is a poor one. He might very well, however, convince you that success in business X or a certain level of income is what should define you, distracting you from what is most important--a relationship with Jesus. Two Christians may disagree about whether gold or pork bellies is a better investment, and each may believe himself right. How absurd, though, for one to call the other "Satan".
'He might very well, however, convince you that success in business X or a certain level of income is what should define you, distracting you from what is most important--a relationship with Jesus.' - JohnWDB1
I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. Desiring to have a certain income and lifestyle as long as they do not replace Jesus Christ are not wrong.
What does Amway have to do with Jesus? Nothing at all! Jesus taught and stood for God's Word; His mission was to save mankind at the Cross (only those who trust in the Word). Amway's mission is to teach and stand for 'free enterprise' where one's success starts with one's full commitment to it. If my identity is in Jesus, will God automatically make me rich because I ask and do nothing? NO! I have to do something to fulfill that promise otherwise it stays an empty promise.
@Terratonific You are suffering from the identical syndrome that compels people to buy lottery ticketsagainst all common sense. Namely, the seperation between yourself and the rest of humanity, which is unique to you (as it is to everyone else) that empowers you to believe you are somehow "different"
...Part of you believes it will be different for you because you are "special" ...as indeed you are (see above)
@YourFriendHerbie its not illegal, because they dont claim that everyone wil be rich, they just claim that you can make a lot of money off of it... and its true, you can use your membership to get discount prices and make a few hundred per month in extra cash, but wealth is almost impossible
"Discount prices" = *up to* 30% off prices which are inflated 100% above typical retail prices and even more over typical wholesale prices.
"A few hundred per month" would put you in the top 1% of current IBO.
Actually, they do claim that everyone who "follows the system" will be successful. "There's a 100% chance of success in the system and a 0% chance outside it". Sound familiar? In other words, buy lots of tapes and rally tickets and you'll definitely succeed.
This is Quixtar's and Amway Motivational IBO business "plan":
A man is riding a donkey and the donkey gets hungry and stops walking. The man then ties a carrot to a stick and dangles it in front of the donkey. The donkey starts walking and continues to walk. The donkey never gets the carrot but the man gets to where he wants to go at the donkey's expense.
You forgot the part where he puts blinders on the donkey so he can't be influenced by the outside world, pimps out the donkey's offspring for nominal fees, BF's the donkey's corpse after he collapses from exhaustion and malnutrition at the end, and then blames the donkey's failure on his being an inherent loser and encourages his donkey friends to call him "broke loser" and "dream stealer', kick him, and spit on his festering corpse, thereby deterring other donkeys from "quitting".
@JohnWDB1 It sounds like you have some experience with scamway lol. I went to one of they're meetings once. When I asked the speaker about the average amount of profit per person per year, the wholesale price of the items I would sell, over head cost, and a web page that had showed numbers he avoided the question by stateing what was stated 1000 times already. If you fall for scamway you probably wont make a good business man. It's called research, numbers, profit margins, overhead, etc.....
This stuff is a no-brainer, I'm 16 and i was approached by these goons, but I instantly saw that they made the majority of their money with the tapes and the CD's etc..
Been years since one guy approached me about this "Great Opportunity" and kept talking it up, but when I asked "Is this Amway" he said "This is a great deal if you want to make millions"...This was just when Amway was becoming a dirty word....
...People who work for large Corporations are often well-paid, and their loyalty is a by-product of their financial well-being. Within Amway, this does not apply as 99%+ lose money within a 1-2 year IBO churn-cycle. However, mid-churn IBO's are more loyal to Amway as unpaid soap-salesmen that most high-salaried employees are to their host-companies. This is not logical.
Can anyone assist. I'm struggling with a few basic concepts regarding Amway...
1) The IBO's posting pro-Amway information are all going to fail because rather than spend their spare time showing the plan, they prefer to defend Amway on the internet. This will not make them successful, so why do they do it. By the same paradigm, why do they promote a Corporation as unpaid, unrewarded sales people??
@steveh777ify your comment is very true why bother to defend AMWAY in the internet !!!!! when people with no dreams no future or real knowledge of what exactly is amway are posting.
You are simply foolish if you quit your job and expect to live off of these businesses. It is wisest to keep them as easy supplemental income. You don't need all of the 'motivational tools'. The business is an easy concept and it works. Don't overthink it.
In all seriousness if your not doing Amway, you better be doing something that is gonna make you money when you can't work. If not I hope you do enjoy working, because your going to be doing it for the rest of your life even when you do
And Amway will reliably make us money when we quit working? That's sure not what the "Amway Diamonds aren't forever" video indicates. Residual income is a myth, and even if it weren't, it would be realized by so few people that it can't be relied upon for retirement. If it's only achievable by one in ten thousand new recruits, it's hardly worth banking your future on. You'd be far better off buying lottery tickets.
Lol tired to stay away from this till October last conference of the yr for my SCAM I mean organization (planning on being around 4000pv!!!woooot), but I had to get at this Briflores123457 person. All I gotta say is what are you doing with your life man or women? What goals are you reaching for and where do u see yourself in the next 4 yrs. I already told JohnWD same thing. Lets trade emails so I can keep you posted on my growth.
And it seems that yet again, my Amway critics flag as spam what appears to be their least favorite comments. No problem! Torture is fun! Back to square one! Until you're officially torture certified!!
You're such an idiot. Nobody is flagging your comments as spam. It's the youtube software. When you post the same thing twice, it get's flagged as spam. When you post a numbered list, it often gets flagged as spam. When you have anything that looks like a web address, it gets flagged as spam. Some of our comments get flagged. Can we assume you are doing it? Understand much, idiot?
And it seems that yet again, my Amway critics flag as spam what appears to be their least favorite comments. No problem! Torture is fun! Back to square one! Until you're officially torture certified!
It amazes that so many Scamway people come into these videos and try to say it's not a scam. Face it, you guys work a career (or lack there of) in exploitation. You Amway fools shouldn't be wasting your time commenting in these videos in the first place as your taking time away from the next 8 cents you can exploit from your next potential "team" member. You not gonna become "diamond-level" by commenting on youtube videos.
Ahem... your personal channel states that "I'm just here for music really". So what are you doing commenting on a non-music related video? Sounds stupid if you ask me :( !!!
@Terratonific Doesn't mean it's the ONLY thing I look at ya Scamway fool. Just go figure the next way to scam a nickel from your "team member" for a 6 pack of energy drinks. Amway is a JOKE and obviously, so are you.
Well yeah, I'm a good joke and a very savory one at that. The irony is that you simply don't get the joke. But those who love me, love my jokes. Long live Amway! Don't lose hope Bri, the morning sun is about to get brighter (wink, wink) :)
You know you are right it is a waste time of time for those of us who did "real" research as "the better business bureau" and you can go to the library of congress and research the lawsuits against Amway and see not ONE was founded. This video skips over things and adds in comments that fits what it wants to appear as the money made is from tapes and so forth. So yes it is foolish even for me to comment on this and to waste my time defending Amway to someone who did no
"real" research or one who "if" was in the business seems to know all the answers when he was probably in for a very short amount of time. But hey yup you know everything...LOL yup a business that has profited 9 billion dollars and is over 52 years old is a scam and a cult...hahahahhaha. Well I guess this is one cult Im proud to be part of then.
@head4true Don't give me all that "you didn't do your research" bullshit as I have. You're part of this crap so of course you will defend it to the death. It's a joke. Also, I never said I "knew everything" but you're just one of those idiots that assumes whatever right? Anyways, enjoy being part of a group of idiots. Get a real job.
Pray tell, where might one go to do this "proper research"? Your upline has told you that the internet is "the bathroom walls of society", so that limitless source of information is surely off-limits. One would be left to conclude that the only reliable source of information is (guess who!) the upline, and your upline tells you as much. So we've learned that we should only listen to cult leaders for information about the cult. Outside information is discredited automatically.
You have no idea what the purpose of the BBB is, nor did you "do proper research" by requesting "outside information" from them. Your upline told you something like "we're backed by the BBB", so you now spout that as if it's truth, failing to ever verify that for yourself or find out what the BBB does. You now berate others for not doing "proper research", despite the fact that you never did what you now consider "proper research".
'Your upline told you something like "we're backed by the BBB", so you now spout that as if it's truth, failing to ever verify that for yourself or find out what the BBB does.' - JohnWDB1
Johnny! Ey, Johnny! It is called TELEPHONE! I have TELEPHONED the BBB and I have spoken to them about it. What they told me, gave me the confidence I need. You're obviously too incapable to pick up a phone and use a keypad to dial a number. EEEYYYYYY JOOOHNNY!
Telephone? Keypad? All that information is available via the internet (the "bathroom walls of society"). How stuck in the stoneage are you? Are they still making you sign up for that Amway voicemail?
Regardless, I'm still certain you don't even know what the function of the BBB is.
'Telephone? Keypad? All that information is available via the internet ' - JohnWDB1
Oh HI John! Yes, bingo, you rock, it is! And here you have it, I did the homework for you.
w w w.bbb.org/western-michigan/business-reviews/multi-level-selling/amway-corporation-in-ada-mi-15000624
Now, speaking of phones and being stuck in the stone age; what is your phone number? Maybe we can go have chicken soup or even better, drink an XS together!
1) 9 billion dollar in revenue and 9 billion in "profits" are completely different things. The fact that you don't know this exposes your utter lack of even the most basic business knowledge.
2) I suppose you've researched all these lawsuits and personally concluded they were unfounded? That would require more time than you have. Stop lying. What are your thoughts on the $155 million class action suit awarded to ex-IBO's in California?
The people who do not get results are the ones who do not want to get up from there sofa..and expect that money will grow on there backyard trees..in order for you to succeed, you must have a dream but you must believe in you !!! some of the ones that do not survived this multi-level bussines are the ones that didnt want to pay the price!!! but we have the best team behind us!!
and now they hated this so much by being called a scam within the first6months if u think its a scam or not for u, u can get 100% of the money u spent and including the products we sell. my brothers are making $800 extra a month im making $400 a month and im only 18 wat does dat tell u? I hate videos like this cus dey get me worked up and AMWAY IS NOT A SCAM!!!!! nothing is mandatory if u wana buy ever tape that comes out, go4it!
@emeryferrer World wide dream builders and the people of Amway devote their own time in helping you IF they see you are willing to work for your dream. They give us the tools we need to be successful. it depends how you use it. those who sit around and do nothing and expect something out of it, of course they aint getting shit. those are the shit talkers who say its all a scam when they are the ones who quit and gave up and did nothing.
They lost all that money cus obviously all they did was buy da stuff and went2rallies maybe if they put forth effort den dey would hav a return. ur not soppsed2quit ur job as soon as u sign up dum ass! ur sopposed2take 8-10hrs a week and get ppl under u n the business, sell products and buy products! after maybe a 6-12 months with hard work and motivated people u can have a good return! Bill Brit is a double Crown and u dont get pv points making cds! but yes dey do make more on the side.
Amway is working for me so far. the sad thing about this Business is people get distracted and give up. That's where the loss is. Bringing people who have no motivation and no heart in the business, makes no business volume. Plus most IBO's concentrate on selling the product rather then expand their business by introducing other people in the business and mentoring them.
@Terratonific True. Attitude isnt the main thing but it plays a big part in this business. Attitude is choice and people wanna blame their problems on other sources without looking in the mirror. Amway and World Wide Dream Builders gives you the tools you need to be successful but people don't use em and then they blame the business for their loss. most people think its gonna be instant money, but you have to work your way to freedom. Thats when they give up or don't do anything in the business
Bingo! Thanks for enlightening the audience as to why some folks fail. I am not the only one who has that point. That way it can be seen that it is not just a one man's rants but credibility which speaks on behalf of those who pursue the road to success.
I have a question for whom ever.I'm from Canada and up here the cost of opening a distributor ship or franchise,training materials, business seminars ect. ect. is tax deductible. Is this not the case in the U.S.? If so,how do you lose money doing a business like this?
You can only deduct the expenses against income. As such, you are reducing tax payment by a fraction of the expenses, and that is only if you are able to itemize your deductions. For most new distributors, they make nothing from Amway and don't have enough deductions otherwise to itemize. Even if you can itemize, you might only be getting $30 or so back on a $150 seminar ticket. If you are simply filing standar deduction, you get zero back.
Amway distributors itemizing? HAHAHAHAHAHA If they are it is only because they wasted too much $ and time in a scam. Since they will be in the lowest bracket they will probably get back 15 buxx. You shouldn't spend $ you don't need to spend to get a damn deduction. LOL
Once again! Same two guys posting on every video, bashing Amway! I will write this and then they come back with some clever remark! Extremely entertaining! Still have had no one take me up on my offer! Show me where MY Amway business is a loss, and I will post up that I am completely wrong for building it. Cell # available upon request. Human to human conversation on a phone! No typing, no arguing, just give me your credible knowledge. Always up to learn!
I'm not especially interested in the (apparent) fact that you are a successful Amway Salesman. Good Luck to you. I admire & acknowledge your drive, determination, expertise, resolve and against-all-odds superiority as a business person.I'm (prepared to be) Impressed.
...That doesn't alter the facts though does it....99.6% of IBO lose money. (Quixtar/Amway figures)
My postings reflect that salient and indisputable fact.
@steveh777ify wow i must have been away for awhile. many comments to answer. My team is run a little differently. we don't just accept anyone. I never want anyone to lose money so we register IBOs for $167.00. If they decide its not for them within 6 months, we give them their $ back. Those who stick, only buy tools with the $ they make from the business. I lend them my tools in the meantime. If i speak to someone who is not sure, I would never get them involved on my team.
"I'm not especially interested in the (apparent) fact that you are a successful Amway Salesman."
So what's your problem then? 99.6%? Again, since you see yourself belonging to the 99.6% is it any wonder why you're especially interested in the unsuccessful Amway people?!
Also, keep in mind that the Amway Corporation has had knowledge of the scope, operating practices, and true agendas of the Motivational Organizations (AMO's) since the early 1980's based on internal memos within the corporation. So Amway itself has allowed this to go on because if Amway alienates these AMO's, there goes the vast majority of it's business because if Bill Britt were to ever leave Amway, he's taking hundreds of thousands of distributors with him.
I have pity for those who defend Amway and the Amway Motivational Organizations as a legitimate business to operate. The facts are clear: high pin-level distributors make the vast majority of their money from the "System" business of selling books, tapes, and tickets for rallies and seminars. Big money is not made in the Amway business. It is made from the HYPE of the Amway business. I think MLM should be illegal for the damage it has done to our society.
The guys in the videos or even worse than britt,miller,winters..etc.. They knew what was going on and when they got fucked... they are now bitching and whining that they got scammed...lol.... when they knew fully what was going on... kinda like a drug deal gone bad, there money or drugs got stole and then they go to the police.... lol...
The guys complaining were excluded from the TOOLS side of the buiss, cause they didnt kiss ass too winters,britt,miller..etc.. They knew full well what was going on way before they even made the higher levels in amway. They were promised the TOOLS side of the buiss and got fucked....lol
W e basically all know, the TOOLS is what is creating most of the wealth.. tools meaning, tapes,books,speaking fees..etc.. The MARKETING aspect... Amway is just the CAR that drives the money to the bank. Of course amway doesnt make any money off the TOOLS. Nothing really illegal here, except for what is called a "conscious" these high level guys have none of, speaking of britt, miller, winters..etc.. These guys speaking here are pissed, because they were excluded from
Hidden tools business? What are you telling me? I know about the tools business and so do others. I know that there are people who make money from the tools business. I don't have a problem with that. I actually love the value of the information contained therein. So, I have no reason to complain. Why do you?
Nope. You still didn't answer my questions, as is typical of an Amway member, trained in deception. What are the price breaks on the tools for your upline platinum, emerald, diamond? What percentage of your upline diamond's income comes from tools.
The problem with the tools are 1) it is in itself an illegal pyramid scheme per FTC rules, 2) new recruits are not told that the wealthiest kingpins make tens of millions (and the wide majority of their income) off tools
I don't really care. I find the tools valuable, motivating and entertaining. And the price I pay for them measures well against the quality I get from them. I don't get it man, what are you really bitching about? Why are you so obsessed with the price breaks on the tools and what percentage of my upline diamond's income comes from tools?
"Why are you so obsessed with the price breaks on the tools and what percentage of my upline diamond's income comes from tools?"
That particular information doesn't really concern me. I just want to know if you know it. The key is, you clearly don't, and better yet, you can't find out. That information is strictly confidential until you get to their level.
Your disgusting comment won't be dignified with a response. You're an unrighteous person, and you'll get yours.
On the contrary, it does concern you because you openly love to talk about it. If it didn't concern you, you wouldn't talk about it. What game are you trying to play here? And if you find me a just the same disgusting person as all other Amway IBOs, why do you even engage us? Keep to people of your own caliber.
"On the contrary, it does concern you because you openly love to talk about it. If it didn't concern you, you wouldn't talk about it."
Horrible logic again. Your personal details do not concern me any more than the details of any other "IBO" do. They are insignificant EXCEPT insofar as your inability to answer my questions PROVES MY POINT that the details of the tools business are hidden from you. I'm only concerned with proving that, and you've helped me do it.
I did not help you with anything because you're not willing to help yourself first. Why are you trying to prove that the details of the tools business are hidden from me when I openly state that I find the tools valuable, motivating and entertaining? Also the price I pay for them measures well against the quality I get from them. Why are you trying to prove that I must feel dissatisfied when I actually am really satisfied?
"Why are you trying to prove that the details of the tools business are hidden from me when I openly state that I find the tools valuable, motivating and entertaining?"
That you find the tools valuable says nothing about whether you understand the price breaks and hence the profit structure for the tools business OR that you understand that the wide majority of diamond and up income is from tools.
I have no problem with the profitability a diamond and above makes from the tools business. Why? It is because I believe that their hard work and dedication has earned them the right to profit from it. What right have you earned by not even being an Amway IBO to begin with? If your current business venture began to sell some type of tools business based on your hard work and dedication, wouldn't you agree that you have earned the right to profit from such materials too?
"If your current business venture began to sell some type of tools business based on your hard work and dedication, wouldn't you agree that you have earned the right to profit from such materials too?"
In that case, 1) it wouldn't be a pyramid scheme, since I'm not in MLM, 2) I wouldn't coerce anyone into buying them, and 3) everyone who chose to purchase my tools would know that I am making money from the sales, so that info wouldn't be hidden.
'Steer clear of multilevel marketing plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors. They're actually illegal pyramid schemes.' - ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt057.shtm
In Amway you do not get commissions for recruiting new distributors. You get commissions for moving products and services. This how Amway has and will continue to operate. Amway has been around for 51 years. Its success is a testimony to its outstanding credibility.
If you're going to go quoting FTC regulations to me, go right ahead and quote the one that says that a MLM program that fails to sell the majority of its product outside the network is an illegal pyramid scheme. The standard in prior rulings has been 70% or more sold outside. Amway fails to sell 20% of its product outside the network of distributors. As such, by FTC rules it's an illegal pyramid scheme. It's all about personal use. Why? Bc your upline only cares about CD sales
Is it all about personal use? Then how do you explain that I have a customer who buys products from me? Oh I see, that PV goes to me so it must look like... personal use, can't differentiate... hmmm!
"Is it all about personal use? Then how do you explain that I have a customer who buys products from me?"
Did you not read where I said 'Amway fails to sell 20% of its product outside the network'? I didn't say there are zero outside sales...just less than what's required by the FTC for it to be legal. Sure, there is a nominal amount of outside sales, but it's minimal. I'm not surprised, then that you have "a customer". The sad thing is, even with ONE, you're the exception
Oooops !
That's "Diabolic" incidentally ...
(typo)
steveh777ify 14 hours ago
The untold loss is your credibility with your friends and your family. The money can be replaced, your reputation cannot.
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I thought false advertizement was a crime ?
HistoryHmoobGuy 3 months ago
You fucking idiots, this is a Pyramid Scheme!!!!
MLMsellsSnakeOil 3 months ago
@terratonific you dont have to go to amway to learn that lol its such a cult ,i agree about having a residual income but their are other ways.The people their are so brainwashed i was like what is everbody clapping about this is so stupid and i like speakers ,motivational cds and books.
pjacob2010 3 months ago
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@pjacob2010
I do not understand, do you speak English?
Terratonific 3 months ago
wow.... I Fucken knew it!!!!! Someone told me that if you get into this business and make it big you can become an american citizen!!! I was like WTF!!! That's why alot of non-speaking english people/elligal immigrants are joinning!!! I feel sorry for them..
jaimegmc 3 months ago
@jaimegmc
You sure Fucken knew it!!!!!
Terratonific 3 months ago
Amway is a piece of shit business. Even my economics teacher considers it as a fucking joke. Now, all of you Amway idiots... Do you live like a King? No. Shut the fuck up and go to college, get a good education and do something SMART with your life.
Now...
COME AT ME, BRO.
Crashilicious 3 months ago
@Crashilicious
I went to university first, then went to college, was a good student, got a good education then and even better education now only to see how deceived I was into believing that this is the TICKET to an awesome life!
Nah...
IT'S TIME FOR AMWAY, MEN!
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific you're the fucking Amway troll...
Your word does not count.
Crashilicious 3 months ago
@Crashilicious
I learned something valuable about words; your word is your bond.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
So you failed to realize your dreams through conventional routes, so you sought out Amway? Read Erik German's new book "My Father's Dream" about his intelligent, talented, charismatic father who rose to platinum only to be financially devastated in Amway. He says that Amway preys on rubes like you by showing them discrepancies between their real lives and their ideal lives. They did it to his father...only he had more talent/charisma than you.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
I am irreplaceable and of more value in the eyes of Jesus Christ than to be molded to man's views and opinions about me. Sorry to disappoint you John.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
Wait, what does Amway have to do with Jesus...unless you want to use Amway to illustrate the exact ANTITHESIS of what Jesus taught and stood for? And why is it that so much of your self-worth is tied up in whether you succeed in becoming rich in Amway if you truly believe your value/identity is in Him? And why is it that you equate faith in Jesus to faith in the empty promises of wealth in Amway?
Trust me--I am not the one who is disappointed in you
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
What does Amway have to do with Jesus? Nothing! Jesus taught about how to attain eternal Salvation. That was His mission! Amway teaches and gives an opportunity to earn an income. That is Amway's mission! You can not interchange or replace either one! If you want to learn about Jesus, attend a Bible study and seek out a pastor. If you want to learn about Amway, attend a workshop and seek out a mentor.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
"What does Amway have to do with Jesus? Nothing!"
Then why do you pretend that anyone who rejects Amway is, in some way, rejecting Jesus? Tactics haven't changed, but I know where you've gotten them from. It was said by Dexter Yager and repeated by many that "Amway is God's business", not in the way that everything is the property of our Creator, but as if it were his one and only, conferring a messianic purpose on this pyramid scheme. In that light, your behavior is predictable.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
"Then why do you pretend that anyone who rejects Amway is, in some way, rejecting Jesus?" - JohnWDB1
Wrong interpretation. When someone tells me that Amway does not work for whatever the reason when evidence is there that it works, I know that person is being used as an agent by Satan to discourage me from winning. The Bible says the Satan comes only to destroy, to lie, to steal and to kill. So whenever you come to me to tempt me into evil, I command you to leave in Jesus' name.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
"When someone tells me that Amway does not work for whatever the reason when evidence is there that it works, I know that person is being used as an agent by Satan to discourage me from winning."
First, this is silly logic. You could say the same to anyone who has a different opinion from your own. Someone who thinks the Bears will beat the Packers might be an agent of Satan trying to discourage Packer fans from being hopeful for a victory.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@Terratonific
Second, neither I nor any intelligent Amway critic has said that "Amway does not work". In fact, I've been clear that Amway works all to well in the purpose for which it is designed, to make very few very rich from the modest losses of very many. This is the principle by which pyramid schemes operate, and Amway is the very most successful at that. What makes Amway so successful at that is entirely the topic of criticism here, not whether Amway is successful in the first place.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'In fact, I've been clear that Amway works all to well in the purpose for which it is designed, to make very few very rich from the modest losses of very many.' - JohnWDB1
By your own admission, you've never studied the Amway business plan nor have put it in action.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
"By your own admission, you've never studied the Amway business plan nor have put it in action."
You obviously haven't paid attention. I have studied "the Amway business plan" for nearly a decade, and I've made that plain. You're the one who jumped headlong in without due diligence. Note that I was very intrigued by the sales pitch until I looked at the facts and data. By YOUR own admission, facts and data mean nothing to you.
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'I have studied "the Amway business plan" for nearly a decade' - JohnWDB1
And what about applying what you have studied?
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
If all available evidence suggests that the odds of success in Amway are abysmal and that those who do succeed make most of their money from selling motivational materials and not moving product, then why would I "apply" what I've studied? I went to medical school and studied the effects of cyanide, learning that it disrupts a protein in mitochondria that prevents them from using oxygen, causing death in adequate doses. Should I "apply" that by ingesting cyanide pills?
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'If all available evidence suggests that the odds of success in Amway are abysmal ...' - JohnWDB1
Not everyone who goes to medical school has the same success. The odds of success are abysmal in general because they are equal for everyone. Now, what you choose to do with the odds is all up to you.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
"The odds of success are abysmal in general because they are equal for everyone."
There are no fewer than 3 things blatantly wrong with this asinine statement. Bet you won't follow, but I'm going to try anyway:
1) The odds of success are not equal for everyone, except in the lottery. In basketball, taller people have an advantage. In school, smarter people have an advantage. In politics, charismatic people have an advantage.
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@Terratonific
2) The odds of success are not abysmal in general. Amway's 99.6% failure rate is far higher than that for medical school, where less than 5% of matriculants fail to graduate and everyone who tries matches into residency. About 50% of small businesses remain in business after 5 years in this country, which is far, far better odds than one would have in Amway.
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@Terratonific
3) Even if the odds were abysmal in general it would not be BECAUSE "they are equal for everyone". There is no logic in that conclusion.
Look, you can't reason. You show it over and over again on here. But that's OK. All you have to do is listen to people who are smarter than you, and not people who stand to profit from your unquestioning allegiance.
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@JohnWDB1
Oh, and are you 100% sure that there's no one out there who profits from your unquestioning allegiance to the status quo?
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific
That's the difference between you and me. I question the status quo. I research any area extensively before diving in. The only thing you question is whatever your upline tells you to question. Best of all, they give you the answers to believe so you don't have to follow up on those questions. That is the very way you've been taught to believe that people like me (critical outsiders) are mindless drones, failing to "question the status quo". The irony I'm sure is lost on you
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'That's the difference between you and me. I question the status quo.' - JohnWDB1
Amway is not the status quo, the corporate world is. Thus, you're questioning on the wrong territory.
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific
There is no right and wrong "territory" for questioning. I question everything, especially pyramid schemes. You're the one who pledges blind allegiance. Even your beliefs about the corporate world you now regurgitate are spoon-fed to you by upline.
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@JohnWDB1
If you're indeed right, how do you explain then why the corporate world places restrictions on an employee's income while the president is absolved of such restrictions?
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific
First, I don't think you know what "absolved" means. Second, the corporate world doesn't "place restrictions" on an employees income. You've been taught to think of it that way, but it's entirely asinine. There is a relatively free market out there in which people of varying skill levels may offer to sell their time/skills in exchange for money, paid what the market will bear. The market ceases to be a free one in the case where gov't intervenes--such as setting min wage.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@Terratonific
The more rare you are, and the more marketable your skill, the more you can make in exchange for your skill. This is why NBA players make more than firemen and why heart surgeons make more than school teachers. The number of people qualified to be CEO of a Fortune 100 are exceedingly few, and hundreds of millions are at stake. Perhaps corporations over-value CEO's, but that is an error in valuation of skill, not a sinister plot to mess over the minimum wage men.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@JohnWDB1
So, how rare are you John? Do you see yourself as the best you can be or is your self-image a factor in criticizing that which you chose to not pursue?
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific
More misdirection from you. Stop trying to make this about me. I certainly don't try to make it about you. This is about fraud and brainwashing that affects millions. You and I are insignificant in the scope of this.
But since you asked, I don't derive my self-worth from being rare. Let's test your hypothesis, though. If I criticized things I chose not to pursue, wouldn't I criticize lawyers, since I contemplated a JD before opting for MD? Your hypothesis is fallacious.
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@JohnWDB1
Since you're as insignificant as I am as per your claim, why do you then reach out to me? You won't make me significant. I have to be reached by significant people so to become significant myself. You have to be an active student of the business to learn the business and do the business for what the business is. You chose to not pursue it, that's fine. You're not a student of the business but a man of opinions. That's cool, but opinions don't score the final victory.
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific
"Since you're as insignificant as I am as per your claim, why do you then reach out to me? You won't make me significant."
This is a classic example of the obfuscation and vaguely philosophical waxing to which you are so prone. You don't stop to consider whether what you've said makes any sense or whether it's even pertinent to the discussion. Why would you think my goal was to make you significant? It clearly is not. No man can "make" you significant.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@Terratonific
"Since you're as insignificant as I am as per your claim, why do you then reach out to me? You won't make me significant."
This is a classic example of the obfuscation and vaguely philosophical waxing to which you are so prone. You don't stop to consider whether what you've said makes any sense or whether it's even pertinent to the discussion. Why would you think my goal was to make you significant? It clearly is not. No man can "make" you significant.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@Terratonific
(cont)
Further, who said I'm trying to "reach out to" you? I am posting here to further inform people who haven't been adequately convinced by the compelling video. You choose to argue with what is patently true--that Amway has led to catastrophic losses for many and modest losses of time and money for millions all to make very few rich. I have no interest in dissuading you, as you lack even the reasoning capabilities required to be dissuaded.
JohnWDB1 2 months ago
@Terratonific THIS IS YOUR UPLINE SPEAKING***
Haven't I TOLD you about this unproductive waste of time !!!
DO YOU WANT TO SUCCEED IN THIS BUSINESS OR (FAIL) TO SCORE POINTS ???
You should be sharing this GREAT OPPORTUNITY with AT LEAST 15-20 people a week.
How else am I gonna get wealthy if YOU don't produce.
You have been INSTRUCTED Now GO FORTH AND REPLICATE.
(Ya Gotta Love 'Em....Dex Yager)
steveh777ify 2 months ago
@steveh777ify
Thank you for encouraging me Steve! My dream is bigger and more defined now!
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific
Approaching a year now, spamming the youtube boards, waxing vaguely philosophical but mostly inane, and missing the point of every critics' argument. A year now you've been doggedly defending Amway here, but you're no closer to turning a profit in your sham of a "business". Actually, it was you and "hailusalmighty" who promised a year ago you'd be emailing me copies of your gaudy bonus checks at this time. Waiting...
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@JohnWDB1
Count your blessings John, count your blessings!
Terratonific 2 months ago
@Terratonific Happy to be of assistance.
...But I think you need to learn Astral Projection to get any closer to it !
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify
No Satan, thanks. I have Jesus Christ. Now be gone!
Terratonific 1 month ago
@Terratonific Just to clarify a little further tho:
You are a willing participant in a Cult based global scam with a monumental attrition rate, and the certainty that the vast majority of suckers you sponsor WILL have cause to deeply regret their involvement...yet you gleefully continue regarldless and YOU call ME Satan???
Am I missing something here?
Should we venture forth into the Wilderness to obtain Enlightenment together??
Or should I just sign up and repent my sinful ways?
steveh777ify 1 month ago
@steveh777ify
You should be rebuked by Jesus Christ.
Terratonific 1 month ago
@Terratonific Sounds like I touched a nerve Buddy?
Some of vilest Human beings who ever walked the Earth have invoked religion to justify their atrocities and defend their actions.
We are in the midst of a New Enlightenment. Haven't you heard???
steveh777ify 4 weeks ago
@steveh777ify
Last thing I heard was the 'click clack' of computer keyboard keys being keyboarded.
Terratonific 4 weeks ago
@Terratonific
....Then you should get out more.
Have I wasted enough time with you yet?
...Please Advise.
steveh777ify 4 weeks ago
@steveh777ify
You're long overdue.
Terratonific 4 weeks ago
@steveh777ify name 1 message from Dexter Yager that teaches contentment. As Christians we should be content in our circumstances & if we are called to build tents, carpentry or look over sheep we should to be satisfied. "Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” (Heb 13:5) "But godliness with contentment is great gain," (1Tim 6:6). This is what is not spoken of at conferences, never, & I went to them all.
MACGARCIAcom 2 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'Should I "apply" that by ingesting cyanide pills?' - JohnWDB1
Wrong. With that scientifically proven knowledge, you know the outcome and thus, avoid testing on your own. However, just because I gave you this answer, it is not an open license to take it out of context and assume or be convinced that it applies to Amway just the same way. Amway works when you work Amway; period.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@Terratonific
Third, if Satan is going to deceive you, it's not by telling you that business opportunity X is a poor one. He might very well, however, convince you that success in business X or a certain level of income is what should define you, distracting you from what is most important--a relationship with Jesus. Two Christians may disagree about whether gold or pork bellies is a better investment, and each may believe himself right. How absurd, though, for one to call the other "Satan".
JohnWDB1 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'He might very well, however, convince you that success in business X or a certain level of income is what should define you, distracting you from what is most important--a relationship with Jesus.' - JohnWDB1
I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. Desiring to have a certain income and lifestyle as long as they do not replace Jesus Christ are not wrong.
Terratonific 3 months ago
@JohnWDB1
What does Amway have to do with Jesus? Nothing at all! Jesus taught and stood for God's Word; His mission was to save mankind at the Cross (only those who trust in the Word). Amway's mission is to teach and stand for 'free enterprise' where one's success starts with one's full commitment to it. If my identity is in Jesus, will God automatically make me rich because I ask and do nothing? NO! I have to do something to fulfill that promise otherwise it stays an empty promise.
Terratonific 4 days ago
@Terratonific I'm hugely confused !
Why are you even aligning any form of religion with the Amway Global Scam?
There really is no correlation between the two. Trust Me on this.
Amway is represented by a Satanic doctrine, if anything.
The unprecedented wastage of Human potential following this "Dream" of Materialistic Wealth is surely the epitome of a Diabilic Agenda,... No???
steveh777ify 14 hours ago
@Terratonific You are suffering from the identical syndrome that compels people to buy lottery ticketsagainst all common sense. Namely, the seperation between yourself and the rest of humanity, which is unique to you (as it is to everyone else) that empowers you to believe you are somehow "different"
...Part of you believes it will be different for you because you are "special" ...as indeed you are (see above)
It's possible you are mistaken.
steveh777ify 2 months ago
@YourFriendHerbie its not illegal, because they dont claim that everyone wil be rich, they just claim that you can make a lot of money off of it... and its true, you can use your membership to get discount prices and make a few hundred per month in extra cash, but wealth is almost impossible
RealLegendUnitedFC 5 months ago
@RealLegendUnitedFC
"Discount prices" = *up to* 30% off prices which are inflated 100% above typical retail prices and even more over typical wholesale prices.
"A few hundred per month" would put you in the top 1% of current IBO.
Actually, they do claim that everyone who "follows the system" will be successful. "There's a 100% chance of success in the system and a 0% chance outside it". Sound familiar? In other words, buy lots of tapes and rally tickets and you'll definitely succeed.
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
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Why Amway is an awesome opportunity for you
h t t p://moneywatch.bnet.com/career-advice/blog/other-8-hours/why-you-should-join-amway/919/
Terratonific 5 months ago
This is Quixtar's and Amway Motivational IBO business "plan":
A man is riding a donkey and the donkey gets hungry and stops walking. The man then ties a carrot to a stick and dangles it in front of the donkey. The donkey starts walking and continues to walk. The donkey never gets the carrot but the man gets to where he wants to go at the donkey's expense.
gmccord1970 5 months ago
@gmccord1970
You forgot the part where he puts blinders on the donkey so he can't be influenced by the outside world, pimps out the donkey's offspring for nominal fees, BF's the donkey's corpse after he collapses from exhaustion and malnutrition at the end, and then blames the donkey's failure on his being an inherent loser and encourages his donkey friends to call him "broke loser" and "dream stealer', kick him, and spit on his festering corpse, thereby deterring other donkeys from "quitting".
JohnWDB1 5 months ago
@JohnWDB1 It sounds like you have some experience with scamway lol. I went to one of they're meetings once. When I asked the speaker about the average amount of profit per person per year, the wholesale price of the items I would sell, over head cost, and a web page that had showed numbers he avoided the question by stateing what was stated 1000 times already. If you fall for scamway you probably wont make a good business man. It's called research, numbers, profit margins, overhead, etc.....
midweststreetracer 4 months ago
@JohnWDB1 (quote from "Blazing Saddles")
".....Now who can argue with THAT???"
steveh777ify 4 months ago
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Terratonific 5 months ago
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Terratonific 5 months ago
This stuff is a no-brainer, I'm 16 and i was approached by these goons, but I instantly saw that they made the majority of their money with the tapes and the CD's etc..
RealLegendUnitedFC 5 months ago
Been years since one guy approached me about this "Great Opportunity" and kept talking it up, but when I asked "Is this Amway" he said "This is a great deal if you want to make millions"...This was just when Amway was becoming a dirty word....
genenco1 5 months ago
Thx Dateline! They almost got me after one of their IBOs tried to brainwash me the other night.
LLMBC 6 months ago
@LLMBC Lucky Escape Buddy !
Thats several thousand hours of your Life clawed back from the Agents of Darkness!
steveh777ify 5 months ago
...People who work for large Corporations are often well-paid, and their loyalty is a by-product of their financial well-being. Within Amway, this does not apply as 99%+ lose money within a 1-2 year IBO churn-cycle. However, mid-churn IBO's are more loyal to Amway as unpaid soap-salesmen that most high-salaried employees are to their host-companies. This is not logical.
steveh777ify 6 months ago
@steveh777ify
No, it's not logical. It's a cult.
JohnWDB1 6 months ago
Can anyone assist. I'm struggling with a few basic concepts regarding Amway...
1) The IBO's posting pro-Amway information are all going to fail because rather than spend their spare time showing the plan, they prefer to defend Amway on the internet. This will not make them successful, so why do they do it. By the same paradigm, why do they promote a Corporation as unpaid, unrewarded sales people??
...I'm HUGELY confused.
steveh777ify 6 months ago
@steveh777ify your comment is very true why bother to defend AMWAY in the internet !!!!! when people with no dreams no future or real knowledge of what exactly is amway are posting.
LucyFher08 4 months ago
WHAT A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT, I GOT ALOT OF THAT TAPES AND BOOKS, SCUMBAGS!
teddyd1973 7 months ago
You are simply foolish if you quit your job and expect to live off of these businesses. It is wisest to keep them as easy supplemental income. You don't need all of the 'motivational tools'. The business is an easy concept and it works. Don't overthink it.
marine5546 7 months ago
In all seriousness if your not doing Amway, you better be doing something that is gonna make you money when you can't work. If not I hope you do enjoy working, because your going to be doing it for the rest of your life even when you do
"retire". And that my friend really is bondage.
hailusenthemighty 7 months ago
@hailusenthemighty
And Amway will reliably make us money when we quit working? That's sure not what the "Amway Diamonds aren't forever" video indicates. Residual income is a myth, and even if it weren't, it would be realized by so few people that it can't be relied upon for retirement. If it's only achievable by one in ten thousand new recruits, it's hardly worth banking your future on. You'd be far better off buying lottery tickets.
JohnWDB1 7 months ago
Lol tired to stay away from this till October last conference of the yr for my SCAM I mean organization (planning on being around 4000pv!!!woooot), but I had to get at this Briflores123457 person. All I gotta say is what are you doing with your life man or women? What goals are you reaching for and where do u see yourself in the next 4 yrs. I already told JohnWD same thing. Lets trade emails so I can keep you posted on my growth.
hailusenthemighty 7 months ago
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Terratonific 9 months ago
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@Terratonific
You're such an idiot. Nobody is flagging your comments as spam. It's the youtube software. When you post the same thing twice, it get's flagged as spam. When you post a numbered list, it often gets flagged as spam. When you have anything that looks like a web address, it gets flagged as spam. Some of our comments get flagged. Can we assume you are doing it? Understand much, idiot?
JohnWDB1 9 months ago
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@FutureCACPA !
How does that information do the following four things for you or anyone else?
1) Increase your bank account balance?
2) Increase faith in this business
3) Automatically generate you money in this business?
4) Make you feel good despite that you still hate the Amway name?
Terratonific 9 months ago
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Terratonific 9 months ago
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@FutureCACPA
How does that information do the following four things for you or anyone else?
1) Increase your bank account balance?
2) Increase faith in this business
3) Automatically generate you money in this business?
4) Make you feel good despite that you still hate the Amway name?
Terratonific 9 months ago
It amazes that so many Scamway people come into these videos and try to say it's not a scam. Face it, you guys work a career (or lack there of) in exploitation. You Amway fools shouldn't be wasting your time commenting in these videos in the first place as your taking time away from the next 8 cents you can exploit from your next potential "team" member. You not gonna become "diamond-level" by commenting on youtube videos.
BriFlores123 10 months ago
@BriFlores123
Ahem... your personal channel states that "I'm just here for music really". So what are you doing commenting on a non-music related video? Sounds stupid if you ask me :( !!!
Terratonific 10 months ago
@Terratonific Doesn't mean it's the ONLY thing I look at ya Scamway fool. Just go figure the next way to scam a nickel from your "team member" for a 6 pack of energy drinks. Amway is a JOKE and obviously, so are you.
BriFlores123 10 months ago
@BriFlores123
Well yeah, I'm a good joke and a very savory one at that. The irony is that you simply don't get the joke. But those who love me, love my jokes. Long live Amway! Don't lose hope Bri, the morning sun is about to get brighter (wink, wink) :)
Terratonific 10 months ago
@BriFlores123
Hey sweetheart sugar honey watermelon, I have banned you indefinitely from accessing my channel. Go and bother someone else.
Terratonific 10 months ago
@Terratonific
How much did you earn last year from amway? You would have to know this to file a tax return!
FutureCACPA 9 months ago
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Terratonific 9 months ago
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@FutureCACPA
Will that information do the following four things for you or anyone else?
1) Increase your bank account balance?
2) Increase faith in this business
3) Automatically generate you money in this business?
4) Make you feel good despite that you still hate the Amway name?
Terratonific 9 months ago
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@FutureCACPA
How does that information do the following four things for you or anyone else?
1) Increase your bank account balance?
2) Increase faith in this business
3) Automatically generate you money in this business?
4) Make you feel good despite that you still hate the Amway name?
Terratonific 9 months ago
@BriFlores123
You know you are right it is a waste time of time for those of us who did "real" research as "the better business bureau" and you can go to the library of congress and research the lawsuits against Amway and see not ONE was founded. This video skips over things and adds in comments that fits what it wants to appear as the money made is from tapes and so forth. So yes it is foolish even for me to comment on this and to waste my time defending Amway to someone who did no
head4true 7 months ago
@BriFlores123
"real" research or one who "if" was in the business seems to know all the answers when he was probably in for a very short amount of time. But hey yup you know everything...LOL yup a business that has profited 9 billion dollars and is over 52 years old is a scam and a cult...hahahahhaha. Well I guess this is one cult Im proud to be part of then.
head4true 7 months ago
@head4true Don't give me all that "you didn't do your research" bullshit as I have. You're part of this crap so of course you will defend it to the death. It's a joke. Also, I never said I "knew everything" but you're just one of those idiots that assumes whatever right? Anyways, enjoy being part of a group of idiots. Get a real job.
BriFlores123 7 months ago
@BriFlores123
You need to do proper research on this business. Amway works. Do you work Amway?
Terratonific 7 months ago
@Terratonific
Pray tell, where might one go to do this "proper research"? Your upline has told you that the internet is "the bathroom walls of society", so that limitless source of information is surely off-limits. One would be left to conclude that the only reliable source of information is (guess who!) the upline, and your upline tells you as much. So we've learned that we should only listen to cult leaders for information about the cult. Outside information is discredited automatically.
JohnWDB1 7 months ago
@JohnWDB1
Outside information can be requested from The Better Business Bureau.
Terratonific 7 months ago
@Terratonific
You have no idea what the purpose of the BBB is, nor did you "do proper research" by requesting "outside information" from them. Your upline told you something like "we're backed by the BBB", so you now spout that as if it's truth, failing to ever verify that for yourself or find out what the BBB does. You now berate others for not doing "proper research", despite the fact that you never did what you now consider "proper research".
JohnWDB1 7 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'Your upline told you something like "we're backed by the BBB", so you now spout that as if it's truth, failing to ever verify that for yourself or find out what the BBB does.' - JohnWDB1
Johnny! Ey, Johnny! It is called TELEPHONE! I have TELEPHONED the BBB and I have spoken to them about it. What they told me, gave me the confidence I need. You're obviously too incapable to pick up a phone and use a keypad to dial a number. EEEYYYYYY JOOOHNNY!
Terratonific 7 months ago
@Terratonific
Telephone? Keypad? All that information is available via the internet (the "bathroom walls of society"). How stuck in the stoneage are you? Are they still making you sign up for that Amway voicemail?
Regardless, I'm still certain you don't even know what the function of the BBB is.
JohnWDB1 7 months ago
@JohnWDB1
'Telephone? Keypad? All that information is available via the internet ' - JohnWDB1
Oh HI John! Yes, bingo, you rock, it is! And here you have it, I did the homework for you.
w w w.bbb.org/western-michigan/business-reviews/multi-level-selling/amway-corporation-in-ada-mi-15000624
Now, speaking of phones and being stuck in the stone age; what is your phone number? Maybe we can go have chicken soup or even better, drink an XS together!
Terratonific 7 months ago
@head4true
1) 9 billion dollar in revenue and 9 billion in "profits" are completely different things. The fact that you don't know this exposes your utter lack of even the most basic business knowledge.
2) I suppose you've researched all these lawsuits and personally concluded they were unfounded? That would require more time than you have. Stop lying. What are your thoughts on the $155 million class action suit awarded to ex-IBO's in California?
JohnWDB1 7 months ago
The people who do not get results are the ones who do not want to get up from there sofa..and expect that money will grow on there backyard trees..in order for you to succeed, you must have a dream but you must believe in you !!! some of the ones that do not survived this multi-level bussines are the ones that didnt want to pay the price!!! but we have the best team behind us!!
LucyFher08 10 months ago
@LucyFher08 exactly!! thank you just my point FREEDOM!!!
TheValdaro 10 months ago
and now they hated this so much by being called a scam within the first6months if u think its a scam or not for u, u can get 100% of the money u spent and including the products we sell. my brothers are making $800 extra a month im making $400 a month and im only 18 wat does dat tell u? I hate videos like this cus dey get me worked up and AMWAY IS NOT A SCAM!!!!! nothing is mandatory if u wana buy ever tape that comes out, go4it!
emeryferrer 10 months ago
@emeryferrer U "im making $400 a month and im only 18 wat does dat tell u?"
Ummmmm?....dat yo shood had applied yoself wen at skool b4 screaming dum ass??
ntrospect 10 months ago
@ntrospect
Sharp guy here! Good imitator but hey which lady wouldn't fall for charm after all? :) :)
So, kindly share with us ntrospect, how has your Amway business being doing in April of 2011?
Terratonific 10 months ago
@emeryferrer World wide dream builders and the people of Amway devote their own time in helping you IF they see you are willing to work for your dream. They give us the tools we need to be successful. it depends how you use it. those who sit around and do nothing and expect something out of it, of course they aint getting shit. those are the shit talkers who say its all a scam when they are the ones who quit and gave up and did nothing.
TheValdaro 10 months ago
They lost all that money cus obviously all they did was buy da stuff and went2rallies maybe if they put forth effort den dey would hav a return. ur not soppsed2quit ur job as soon as u sign up dum ass! ur sopposed2take 8-10hrs a week and get ppl under u n the business, sell products and buy products! after maybe a 6-12 months with hard work and motivated people u can have a good return! Bill Brit is a double Crown and u dont get pv points making cds! but yes dey do make more on the side.
emeryferrer 10 months ago
Amway is working for me so far. the sad thing about this Business is people get distracted and give up. That's where the loss is. Bringing people who have no motivation and no heart in the business, makes no business volume. Plus most IBO's concentrate on selling the product rather then expand their business by introducing other people in the business and mentoring them.
TheValdaro 10 months ago
@TheValdaro
Very true statement you make. When we motivate ourselves to do what needs to be done , we show that in our behavior and attract likewise people.
Terratonific 10 months ago
@Terratonific True. Attitude isnt the main thing but it plays a big part in this business. Attitude is choice and people wanna blame their problems on other sources without looking in the mirror. Amway and World Wide Dream Builders gives you the tools you need to be successful but people don't use em and then they blame the business for their loss. most people think its gonna be instant money, but you have to work your way to freedom. Thats when they give up or don't do anything in the business
TheValdaro 10 months ago
@TheValdaro
Bingo! Thanks for enlightening the audience as to why some folks fail. I am not the only one who has that point. That way it can be seen that it is not just a one man's rants but credibility which speaks on behalf of those who pursue the road to success.
Terratonific 10 months ago
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Paraphernalia111 10 months ago
I have a question for whom ever.I'm from Canada and up here the cost of opening a distributor ship or franchise,training materials, business seminars ect. ect. is tax deductible. Is this not the case in the U.S.? If so,how do you lose money doing a business like this?
rob4lah 11 months ago
@rob4lah
You can only deduct the expenses against income. As such, you are reducing tax payment by a fraction of the expenses, and that is only if you are able to itemize your deductions. For most new distributors, they make nothing from Amway and don't have enough deductions otherwise to itemize. Even if you can itemize, you might only be getting $30 or so back on a $150 seminar ticket. If you are simply filing standar deduction, you get zero back.
JohnWDB1 11 months ago
@JohnWDB1
Amway distributors itemizing? HAHAHAHAHAHA If they are it is only because they wasted too much $ and time in a scam. Since they will be in the lowest bracket they will probably get back 15 buxx. You shouldn't spend $ you don't need to spend to get a damn deduction. LOL
FutureCACPA 9 months ago
Once again! Same two guys posting on every video, bashing Amway! I will write this and then they come back with some clever remark! Extremely entertaining! Still have had no one take me up on my offer! Show me where MY Amway business is a loss, and I will post up that I am completely wrong for building it. Cell # available upon request. Human to human conversation on a phone! No typing, no arguing, just give me your credible knowledge. Always up to learn!
mpb4u2nv 11 months ago
@mpb4u2nv Does that include me???
I'm not especially interested in the (apparent) fact that you are a successful Amway Salesman. Good Luck to you. I admire & acknowledge your drive, determination, expertise, resolve and against-all-odds superiority as a business person.I'm (prepared to be) Impressed.
...That doesn't alter the facts though does it....99.6% of IBO lose money. (Quixtar/Amway figures)
My postings reflect that salient and indisputable fact.
Any Diamonds wanting to contribute?
steveh777ify 11 months ago
@steveh777ify
"99.6% of IBO lose money" - steveh777ify
Do you then belong to the 0.4%?
Terratonific 11 months ago
@Terratonific Hello Again !
No, I'm not in Amway. I thought this was fairly obvious.
steveh777ify 11 months ago
@steveh777ify
Therefore you do not belong to the 99.6% either which makes it far worse. You belong instead to the 100% who are not in Amway.
Terratonific 11 months ago
@Terratonific
So it's better to be losing money in Amway than not in Amway at all?
JohnWDB1 11 months ago
@JohnWDB1
Absolutely! When you do, don't come upfront and complain prior to reviewing why you belong to the 99.6%.
Terratonific 11 months ago
@Terratonific Wow, you really are a fired up poster boy IBO, i.e. certifiably delusional...Your upline must absolutely love you to pieces.
ntrospect 11 months ago
@ntrospect
Certification falls short of the eternal beauty of perfection.
Terratonific 11 months ago
@Terratonific Spoken like a true Cult Member. Us and Them, Right???
steveh777ify 10 months ago
@steveh777ify
Me vs The World, yes, very cult-like! But hey, I believe in facing the world to overcome one's struggles. Don't you? You don't, you sure don't!
Terratonific 10 months ago
@steveh777ify wow i must have been away for awhile. many comments to answer. My team is run a little differently. we don't just accept anyone. I never want anyone to lose money so we register IBOs for $167.00. If they decide its not for them within 6 months, we give them their $ back. Those who stick, only buy tools with the $ they make from the business. I lend them my tools in the meantime. If i speak to someone who is not sure, I would never get them involved on my team.
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@steveh777ify
"I'm not especially interested in the (apparent) fact that you are a successful Amway Salesman."
So what's your problem then? 99.6%? Again, since you see yourself belonging to the 99.6% is it any wonder why you're especially interested in the unsuccessful Amway people?!
Terratonific 10 months ago
If you're looking for a Grade A cult that hides behind religion Amway is for you
rudemood2011 11 months ago
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wizeman5974 11 months ago
Also, keep in mind that the Amway Corporation has had knowledge of the scope, operating practices, and true agendas of the Motivational Organizations (AMO's) since the early 1980's based on internal memos within the corporation. So Amway itself has allowed this to go on because if Amway alienates these AMO's, there goes the vast majority of it's business because if Bill Britt were to ever leave Amway, he's taking hundreds of thousands of distributors with him.
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steveh777ify 11 months ago
I have pity for those who defend Amway and the Amway Motivational Organizations as a legitimate business to operate. The facts are clear: high pin-level distributors make the vast majority of their money from the "System" business of selling books, tapes, and tickets for rallies and seminars. Big money is not made in the Amway business. It is made from the HYPE of the Amway business. I think MLM should be illegal for the damage it has done to our society.
wizeman5974 11 months ago
The guys in the videos or even worse than britt,miller,winters..etc.. They knew what was going on and when they got fucked... they are now bitching and whining that they got scammed...lol.... when they knew fully what was going on... kinda like a drug deal gone bad, there money or drugs got stole and then they go to the police.... lol...
ro9beam2002 1 year ago
The guys complaining were excluded from the TOOLS side of the buiss, cause they didnt kiss ass too winters,britt,miller..etc.. They knew full well what was going on way before they even made the higher levels in amway. They were promised the TOOLS side of the buiss and got fucked....lol
ro9beam2002 1 year ago
Lol.... Look guys...\
W e basically all know, the TOOLS is what is creating most of the wealth.. tools meaning, tapes,books,speaking fees..etc.. The MARKETING aspect... Amway is just the CAR that drives the money to the bank. Of course amway doesnt make any money off the TOOLS. Nothing really illegal here, except for what is called a "conscious" these high level guys have none of, speaking of britt, miller, winters..etc.. These guys speaking here are pissed, because they were excluded from
ro9beam2002 1 year ago
My god....
"Americas most respected fraudulent marketing scheme"
ro9beam2002 1 year ago
@Terratonific
You must be a troll because nobody could be as stupid as the argument your trying to make
casio3500 1 year ago
@casio3500
Therefore, I'm virtual. But real enough to drive you mad :)
Terratonific 1 year ago
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casio3500 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
Hidden tools business? What are you telling me? I know about the tools business and so do others. I know that there are people who make money from the tools business. I don't have a problem with that. I actually love the value of the information contained therein. So, I have no reason to complain. Why do you?
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
Nope. You still didn't answer my questions, as is typical of an Amway member, trained in deception. What are the price breaks on the tools for your upline platinum, emerald, diamond? What percentage of your upline diamond's income comes from tools.
The problem with the tools are 1) it is in itself an illegal pyramid scheme per FTC rules, 2) new recruits are not told that the wealthiest kingpins make tens of millions (and the wide majority of their income) off tools
JohnWDB1 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
I don't really care. I find the tools valuable, motivating and entertaining. And the price I pay for them measures well against the quality I get from them. I don't get it man, what are you really bitching about? Why are you so obsessed with the price breaks on the tools and what percentage of my upline diamond's income comes from tools?
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
"Why are you so obsessed with the price breaks on the tools and what percentage of my upline diamond's income comes from tools?"
That particular information doesn't really concern me. I just want to know if you know it. The key is, you clearly don't, and better yet, you can't find out. That information is strictly confidential until you get to their level.
Your disgusting comment won't be dignified with a response. You're an unrighteous person, and you'll get yours.
JohnWDB1 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
On the contrary, it does concern you because you openly love to talk about it. If it didn't concern you, you wouldn't talk about it. What game are you trying to play here? And if you find me a just the same disgusting person as all other Amway IBOs, why do you even engage us? Keep to people of your own caliber.
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
"On the contrary, it does concern you because you openly love to talk about it. If it didn't concern you, you wouldn't talk about it."
Horrible logic again. Your personal details do not concern me any more than the details of any other "IBO" do. They are insignificant EXCEPT insofar as your inability to answer my questions PROVES MY POINT that the details of the tools business are hidden from you. I'm only concerned with proving that, and you've helped me do it.
JohnWDB1 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
I did not help you with anything because you're not willing to help yourself first. Why are you trying to prove that the details of the tools business are hidden from me when I openly state that I find the tools valuable, motivating and entertaining? Also the price I pay for them measures well against the quality I get from them. Why are you trying to prove that I must feel dissatisfied when I actually am really satisfied?
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
"Why are you trying to prove that the details of the tools business are hidden from me when I openly state that I find the tools valuable, motivating and entertaining?"
That you find the tools valuable says nothing about whether you understand the price breaks and hence the profit structure for the tools business OR that you understand that the wide majority of diamond and up income is from tools.
JohnWDB1 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
I have no problem with the profitability a diamond and above makes from the tools business. Why? It is because I believe that their hard work and dedication has earned them the right to profit from it. What right have you earned by not even being an Amway IBO to begin with? If your current business venture began to sell some type of tools business based on your hard work and dedication, wouldn't you agree that you have earned the right to profit from such materials too?
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
"If your current business venture began to sell some type of tools business based on your hard work and dedication, wouldn't you agree that you have earned the right to profit from such materials too?"
In that case, 1) it wouldn't be a pyramid scheme, since I'm not in MLM, 2) I wouldn't coerce anyone into buying them, and 3) everyone who chose to purchase my tools would know that I am making money from the sales, so that info wouldn't be hidden.
JohnWDB1 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
'Steer clear of multilevel marketing plans that pay commissions for recruiting new distributors. They're actually illegal pyramid schemes.' - ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/alerts/alt057.shtm
In Amway you do not get commissions for recruiting new distributors. You get commissions for moving products and services. This how Amway has and will continue to operate. Amway has been around for 51 years. Its success is a testimony to its outstanding credibility.
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
If you're going to go quoting FTC regulations to me, go right ahead and quote the one that says that a MLM program that fails to sell the majority of its product outside the network is an illegal pyramid scheme. The standard in prior rulings has been 70% or more sold outside. Amway fails to sell 20% of its product outside the network of distributors. As such, by FTC rules it's an illegal pyramid scheme. It's all about personal use. Why? Bc your upline only cares about CD sales
JohnWDB1 1 year ago
@JohnWDB1
Is it all about personal use? Then how do you explain that I have a customer who buys products from me? Oh I see, that PV goes to me so it must look like... personal use, can't differentiate... hmmm!
Terratonific 1 year ago
@Terratonific
"Is it all about personal use? Then how do you explain that I have a customer who buys products from me?"
Did you not read where I said 'Amway fails to sell 20% of its product outside the network'? I didn't say there are zero outside sales...just less than what's required by the FTC for it to be legal. Sure, there is a nominal amount of outside sales, but it's minimal. I'm not surprised, then that you have "a customer". The sad thing is, even with ONE, you're the exception