I have a comment on what you're discussing. In this work, there is a lot of 'Beethoven' texture (see for example mvt. 3), so the cadenza sounds fine in my view... After all, it's not that bad to play some Mozart in a more 'Beethovenian' style, some Scarlatti in a more 'Handelian' style etc. The HIP is about playing appropriately within the period and the 'school' of the work. Some personal deviations are welcome!
It's awesome what you've done here, posting these videos and all. I really must complain, however, and lightheartedly, mind you. When this video resumes the movement, suddenly the sound becomes relatively small and narrow. I know you know what I mean.
Just a little question--if the use of period instruments is an effort towards authenticity, why the Beethoven cadenza? I mean, I personally love the Beethoven cadenza and think this sounds great as a whole, but I had been expecting something a bit shorter and more improvisatory.
I guess it's just that most instrumentalists generally are not composers. For lack of a Mozart cadenza they rely on good ol' Ludwig van, who did a good job of providing something. As usual though, when the orchestra returns you have that 'Ah, there's Mozart again' kind of sensation. I don't know if I've ever heard a cadenza flow right through. Mozart really gets a lot going on there. Even Beethoven seems to lose that 'something', that underlying pulse, the overall flow...
I don't know about you but my imagination reels at wondering what Mozart played on the piano that day. He probably meant to astound and amaze and bring up the spirit of the occasion, and felt like doing so-- and did,...
Yeah that's true... but seeing as the authentic performance movement claims to be all about recreating the sound that the composer himself had in mind, I would expect them to make the same effort in choosing the actual notes that they play.
Mozart = Mazter
RojoEduardo 4 weeks ago
Wonderful! Thank you for uploading this.
perpieta 11 months ago
Nice playing here!
I have a comment on what you're discussing. In this work, there is a lot of 'Beethoven' texture (see for example mvt. 3), so the cadenza sounds fine in my view... After all, it's not that bad to play some Mozart in a more 'Beethovenian' style, some Scarlatti in a more 'Handelian' style etc. The HIP is about playing appropriately within the period and the 'school' of the work. Some personal deviations are welcome!
jnamadeus 1 year ago
Plus, in this case we know that Beethoven played this concerto himself, and added cadenzas as we would expect...
jnamadeus 1 year ago
Thank you for the explanation on this musical work.
Xero121690 2 years ago
It's awesome what you've done here, posting these videos and all. I really must complain, however, and lightheartedly, mind you. When this video resumes the movement, suddenly the sound becomes relatively small and narrow. I know you know what I mean.
comic4relief 2 years ago
Just a little question--if the use of period instruments is an effort towards authenticity, why the Beethoven cadenza? I mean, I personally love the Beethoven cadenza and think this sounds great as a whole, but I had been expecting something a bit shorter and more improvisatory.
Cherodar 3 years ago
Word. I am tired of hearing the same cadenzas over and over.
elias12186 3 years ago
@elias12186 the version that plays ivan klansky has a really great cadenza, a little different from beeth's one.
iotuella 11 months ago
@elias12186 the candenza was written about 20 years later and the piano chenged quite a bit
lindzyIsAwesome 9 months ago
I guess it's just that most instrumentalists generally are not composers. For lack of a Mozart cadenza they rely on good ol' Ludwig van, who did a good job of providing something. As usual though, when the orchestra returns you have that 'Ah, there's Mozart again' kind of sensation. I don't know if I've ever heard a cadenza flow right through. Mozart really gets a lot going on there. Even Beethoven seems to lose that 'something', that underlying pulse, the overall flow...
comic4relief 2 years ago
I don't know about you but my imagination reels at wondering what Mozart played on the piano that day. He probably meant to astound and amaze and bring up the spirit of the occasion, and felt like doing so-- and did,...
comic4relief 2 years ago
well beethoven's piano was very close to mozart's so.... there is no problem :P
adriathan1994 2 years ago
Yeah that's true... but seeing as the authentic performance movement claims to be all about recreating the sound that the composer himself had in mind, I would expect them to make the same effort in choosing the actual notes that they play.
Cherodar 2 years ago