Silver Top 4AGE 20V

[agreygod]

@TakumiFuji01 nope black top. incorrect. yes trd group A 20v blacktop 4ag. its more like 10500 rpm. and 237hp. the anime is unreliable however. 2 different english dubs. 3 different english subs.

[agreygod]

why would anyone say anything about intial D? looks like a ae85 with a silvertop. double fail. crap crap car less desireable engine. to get intial D quotes you would need ae86 with blacktop 20V trd. fag.

[TakumiFuji01]

@agreygod this is a AE86 but it's a SR5 which is a lower spec ae86 sorta like AE85 but still on AE86 chassis. btw I think you need to know your Initial D too cuz Takumi's 86 is a TRD Group A 20v Silvertop 4AG that produces approx. 240 HP at 11,000 RPM

[Infuse16]

@agreygod in initial d, he has a silver top, it can be seen a few times in the anime and even in the korean movie...

[jeffman3]

@Infuse16 Hell, there's even a point during which they mention it's a silvertop if memory serves.

But I haven't seen it in years.

In some ways, I wish that show hadn't happened- I love the styling of the old 'Rolla but they sell for far more than they're actually worth now... Don't get me wrong, Initial D was great fun to watch.

[gnarkillemerica]

Whats the redline on this bad boy?

[KosaiAvonej]

This beautiful engine was also used in the MW11 MR2.

[xthexemoxmuffinx]

@KosaiAvonej correction, the 16 valve version was used in the aw11. I just swapped my 16valve for a 20valve blacktop :)

[srt4life101]

can u get an exhaust vid for us or is it stock

[pinoyALLmotorEVOIXMR]

this isn't the one from Initial D right?

[haseebgood]

Is this engine for a front wheel drive car or rear wheel drive?reply please

[srt4life101]

@haseebgood its from an mr2 but drops right into the ae86 i swaped one in my ae86 coupe 

[xthexemoxmuffinx]

@srt4life101 It came from the ae101, the 20 valve was never in the mr2

[lgbubba]

@haseebgood this engine is from the Fwd ae101

[haseebgood]

@lgbubba It looks to me as if this car is rear wheel drive.Is it?

[Ezalian]

@haseebgood Nope. AE101 is Front Wheel Drive. Toyota didn't make Rear wheel drive since the E90 Gen Corolla.

[maxnanabas09]

well im planning to have this engine over a sr20det hehe

is there a RWD version of this ? 20v bt/st 4age

[R1kid07]

how does the distributor clear the fire wall?

[bertmister10]

a hedder and ITB's and yet no electric fan?? comeon man reduce rotating mass at all costs!!!

[mijachris654]

this engine is good nice rpm and torque

[eclipsegsx765]

These engine good? I wanna doa swap for my 1996 toyota Celica GT

[Gin132456]

@eclipsegsx765 the BEST

[fucksalt669]

so umm,whats the deal with those itb's? they look like there made from radiator rubber...not insulting or anything,just curious.

[SoL21jeanne]

Hey Dudes i need some help, my silvertop is having an idling problem, when the engine is cold its idle is flactuating real bad, and even if i'm running at high speed my engine would die. But when my engine is warm its idling is fine as if nothing is wrong,, i already changed my spark plug, oil and still nothing happened,, need help guys

[tiga3tiga]

@SoL21jeanne

check all ur vacum hose

[Cponce626]

@SoL21jeanne check your wiring.mine has similar problems.might be ecu or distributor.if you found the problem let me know.

[SoL21jeanne]

@Cponce626 ok tnx i let u know,,, tnx again,

[Etiennepike1]

is die nie dai box toy van suid africa nie

[mijachris654]

u have a question! what car is fitted to the engines is 4a ge silver top and black top

[ketphanh]

im alittle confused. is a 20v a factory engine?

[sl1d3w4ysAE86]

@ketphanh yes. there were 2. the 'Silvertop' from the AE101 chassis Trueno and Levin and the 'Blacktop' from the AE111s.

[fellafoe]

have you changed the piston rings yet

[teamfucktop]

my friend got a 1982 sr-5 corolla....he will tune it...omg....drift car!!!

[RICEFREAK]

I thought someone was typing in the first part lol

[toms3777]

how'd you fit the distributor without hitting the firewall?

[richardmaudsley77]

Call me stupid, but what's the 5th valve for? Two in, two out, one for good luck?

[zzracer]

you've got 3intake for better cylinder filling and two out. more mixture in tahat same time,more power

[tOugE100]

@richardmaudsley77 similar to what honda has vtec for, the fifth valve is for the vvt-i it opens up on the intake side for better breathing capabilities. more air into the head equals more power.

[richardmaudsley77]

@tOugE100 I got the answer long ago man.

[peWpfLewts]

unfiltered air never hurts a motor. sounds good but man, you're f*ckin that thing up

[Samqdf]

yeah right, so they are just there for decoration then

[BDlu3]

i understand you have the club4ag site on your info but can you give me the link to how you built this setup?

[fisqual]

Ditch the clutch fan. It causes excessive strain on the water pump bearing AND robs horsepower.

[silvias13ftw]

okay ill tell you why silver top is better

black top may have more horse power, but once you take of the limiter from the

silver top the rpms go from 8k to 11k

tlk about about FAST whew!

[islasdel]

I think I'm going to go with a Turbo 3TC over the 20V....what's the vote?? Yes/No

[eishiba]

I'm doing research before deciding what engine I want, so I'm going to ask you, why did you choose the silvertop over the black top? What do you like about the silver top?

[karatecrimson]

I can answer this for pasi, i bought this car from him...the silvertop is simply less expensive than the blacktop. its a bit less horsepower and compression. I would go with the blacktop if you had the extra money. Everything works better on the blacktop.

[floppydisk35]

well, from my very little experience, the blacktop does cost somewhat more, and just for 3bhp of difference between the blacktop and the silvertop, i'd go with the latter...

[karatecrimson]

well in the states the cost is evident. or at least ive seen 100% of the time...and the blacktop uses lighter and beefier internals..so the difference bewteen the engine is there. just like the bluetop vs. hi-comp 4ag engines.

[Alecmerino92]

What is your 1/4 mile time?

I'm trying to figure out what I want to do with my car (93 geo prizm) to make it faster than what you would believe it to be at first glance.

[xxdmdxx]

not much you can do to a prizm lols

[karatecrimson]

with a healthy stock 20v most ae86s only make about 125 hp.

[anzactuck]

whats a geo prizm? like a corolla right? depends how much money you have. i have a 94 holden nova (which is general motors rebadged corolla in australia lol) i replaced the air filter and headers (with 4-2-1's) for not much money and hollowed the cat. its noticibly quicker. but if i wasnt a student id spring for a turbo :P but i have a hilux to do up as well... so maybe one day!

[arbpotatoes]

Lol... nothing is glowing with heat here. Two of the ITBs are a different colour

[Jesse4AGE]

You know when your header glows red you will heat that coolant pipe

[jesse5762]

what are you talking about? there are no glowing headers in this video

[stingerready87]

that is why God and Chesty Puller and General Patton and Keiichi Tsuchiya and after market parts people made heat wraps.

[PioneerVCCS]

that is the uglyest mod man, the sound is soo damn bad. that dosnt make your car cooler, just bader..

[2fastdsm]

So you dont clean the air that goes into your engine? How long do you think it will last.?

[LordJesseD]

It says in the description "open ITBs," basically, in the original AE101, there's a box that goes over them, and that's connected to a cold air box itself, if I remember correctly.

[Conkinator451]

hey are silver tops street legal in the us?

[LordJesseD]

Practically anything is legal anywhere.

[Conkinator451]

are u being sarcastic or serious?

[LordJesseD]

Serious.

One of the world's fastest cars, the Red Victor One, makes 2200BHP, and it is emissions legal.

As long as a car passes a smog test and and sound test, nothing much else matters.

[TurboLover2JZGTE]

actually, no 20valve 4AGE is legal, because they are a MAP setup and have no emission parts.

[LordJesseD]

Come again?

[TurboLover2JZGTE]

Since 20 Valves are from Japan, they have no emissions parts, so they're definately not legal in CA.

[LordJesseD]

I still don't get what you're saying. "Emissions parts"?

[libellullebleue]

j'ai le memem moteur

[snapywrist]

r34 is a cross its dieing and im not a ceo so supra is too good

[gixxer450]

How much power does these engines make at the wheels?

[GamminKunt86]

apparently you lose about 20% of power from your flywheel to your wheels due to friction etc

[charlemagne1978]

toyota engine is a gud engine to modify..mine its just an old 18r 2 barrel carb and it has an ass on the street..

[kevinluryaj]

i never heard how loud the 20valve sounded like? is that how it really sounds like?

[jwan204]

what is the diff between black top and silver top ?

[3star2nr]

big difference. blactop (BT) has 1. Bigger ITBs 2. No AFM 3. Thinner lighter rods 4. better head (bigger ports, more efficient head flow) 5. Stiffer valvesprings 6. Higher rev limit, the BT can rev to 9,000 7. Higher compression. 8. more hp 9. more expensive than the ST Basically if you want to stay all motor, get the BT if you want to turbo on the stock internals the ST would be the better choice. Parts are interchangeable for all 4age. And you can use GZE pistons and rods.

[Timzsk8]

Hey man, I'm a 4age noob. and I have some questions. What is AFM? What is Higher compression? And how come it revs higher that the ST?

[3star2nr]

AFM = Airflow Meter it measures the speed of the incoming air. The ECU then uses that information to calculate how much fuel to give the engine.

Compression ratio is hard to explain wikipedia it. But basically its how much the piston squishes the incoming air and fuel, before the spark plugs ignite it.

Higher compression = more power

Toyota gave the BT lighter rods and pistons, stiffer valvesprings, bigger ports, and bigger valves. All of that helps it rev higher than the ST

[tatsuo256]

Silvertop CR = 10.5:1, Blacktop CR = 11.0:1

Both of these engines rev beautifully,

ST develops max power 118KW (160PS)@ 7,400 rpm.

BT develops max power 121KW (165PS)@ 7,800 rpm.

I have a BT in my AE82 (1988 Twin Cam Hatch) and this engine revs very freely and flies, I love it!

[Samqdf]

the valve springs are the same and the rods wont last long at 9000RPM, the hyraulic belt tensioner is crap too. Spool rods are pretty cheap for these engines though

[3star2nr]

yup its a deep engine for a 1600.

[cmawarrior]

mofo92 a 4age can b beat a type r...any day...its just an type r...and dude...racing is out of style man...u gotta have money to mod a toyota or nissan...not like honda....

[MoFo92]

can a 4age beat a honda cvic typ R?

[j00hz]

dude thats a stupid question...

[MoFo92]

seriously can it?

[j00hz]

stock the 20v and b16a would put out the same.

power to money wise lets just say i got 2 grand

then threw it on both motors.

the 20v 4age only needs trumpets extractors ecu and cams then your set for around that price.

then with the b16a quad conversion is hell expencive. ecu CAI extractors or even a "einstein conversion" lol that would set you back over +5k

hope that helps with the question..

[attackeagle]

depends on which one has the baseball bat.

[3star2nr]

yes! it has already there is a vid on here blactop BZR vs EK9 type R vs pulsar with SR20ve. The BZR raped face!!!

the nissan came last.

[K3N51NGTON]

SR5 = CHEAPER INSURANCE!!!!, lol, it does, not sport model, o and ummm, i believe you can hook up both heat and ac

[Ericsena]

Defiantly.

[citi0rhythm]

so if u swap the silver top u r not gonna get any heat or ac? cause i found a 86 with silver top but no ac or heat...without that it can't pass safety and without safety i cant get a license plate...

[momodragon]

if you have a 4AGE 16v i think it is pretty much boltons to swap for the 20v

[MudaSHoleProductions]

Really nice engine, but a shame it has to go in an SR5. Nevertheless, an 86 is an 86 and it's still pretty damn good GT-S or SR5.

[RedHammerSAA]

yh exactly, as long as its 86 i dont mind, they were never sold officially where I live, would have to import, so u guys shuld be grateful for us not getting our hands on it, thus ofcourse buying all of them, haha :P jk

[Samqdf]

I think nice is when theres no external coolant pipes at all, the best thing you can do is to convert these to something like the 16v spec coolant design

[i0nical]

nice, been thinking about what to do with mine. got a 84 SR5 sitting in my driveway rotting.

[tenkuunokage]

hey do you got initial d stickers that come with it? do you drift hahahaa

cool man, id be interested in buying if it werent for engine problem and smoke...good luck, these babies are getting harder to find every year

[hitachi088]

I got an Ae86 whit a 4A-GE in this .

I can drift at 30mp/h easy

[minpikk]

so what????

[S133PA]

Heya.. am thinking about doing the open quad conversion to my silvertop, what blacktop parts did you use other than the ECU? Did you modify the silvertop loom to use a map sensor, or use a blacktop loom? Would you say you made much of a power gain from this?

[drift2chaser]

but a supercharger on that 20v you wont regret it

[drift2chaser]

good choice of engine, the ae86 is quicker with a supercharged ae111 sprinter trueno 20v engine than a turbo sr20 180sx engine. i have tried this with 2 85 sprinters and the supercharged 20v was better its lighter aswell and you stiil have the toyota reliability . that 20v trueno engine is bullet proof

[BlackSteve13]

just picked up a 85 GT-S for 2 grand and want to drop a Silvertop in and was wondering how difficult the swap is

[bubaliziouz]

its true  you can go to 11000rpm but its a heavy built engine like the ones keichi used on group A corolla its the atlantic engine

[capleskylline]

are levins relly fast or just corollas

[tenkuunokage]

depends on driver and if its stock or turbo/suercharged

[00jeenyus00]

What do 20v's come out of?

[bdub215]

AE101/111 Levins. basically corollas

[driftspecmotorsports]

turn the stacks upwards so you do not pick up crap from the road :)

[eros20V]

The black top on a 1990 starlet does wonders with 6speed on. There is no lack of low rpm torque due to the low weight. It puts to shame many cars...

[STI41PR]

@eros20V i have to say my friend i got a 95 tercel 2 doors whit the silver top in it and i love smoking some hondas :) trd power all the way

[Sonicku]

i hear that the 4AGE ca be built to go up too 12,000 rpmand over200 hp or more is that true? if so im plaming on gettin a 3 door corrolla

[bdub215]

i dunno about 12k but 11k is a definite possibility with all of the right parts

[crash60068]

i have a celica and was wondering if this engine will \fit???

[tanhauserr]

if you have a 4th-6th gen celica ST, the mounts should be the same. as long as the chassis code under the hood starts with AT (i think celica st's were 162,182,202) it should mount up just fine. i dont know about wiring though.

[crash60068]

yea your right about that but mine is the 6th gen GT (st204) i know the 3s-gte will fit thou but do you know if theres any other that will???

[tanhauserr]

any 3sge. the first letter in the chassis code tells you what block will mount up. 3S and 5S goes in ST.

[crash60068]

oh so really the only engine better than the 5s-fe is the 3s-gte???

[TeHengaGreen]

The cams are quite noisy, mine are as well...I guess just something normal on these engines?

[the13joker]

where can i buy that engine ??

[tanhauserr]

almost every jdm engine site has them for sale. awesome motors, ive owned a silvertop and a blacktop, both of which are very fun to drive on. lack of torque in the very bottom kinda sucks though.

[crash60068]

what kinda car do you have it for. i have a celica and was wondering if this engine will \fit???

[nyko944]

If you install the intake whats eliminated?the air filter?

[Soulfire320]

It's not an itake, it's ITB's... aka Individual Throttle Bodies. air filters are made to fit over those, if one so chooses, but are not required. but what was elimiated? the ITB plenum thingy, and the MAF (mass air flow) sensor, which was repalced with a MAP sensor (manifold air pressure)

[chodefaceMike]

dude you should get new itb trumpets

[pasingpogi]

I did, check my 2nd video.

[burninggateway]

hey i have the same SR5 im gonna drop in this motor what tranny are u using...is it the T50 or the stock transmission used on the stock

4AC motor...

[pasingpogi]

I'm using the stock T-50 tranny, but its better if you use GT-S bellhousing so you can relocate the clutch fork.

[megasz]

the AE86 has a tiwn cam engine

[johnbrown2020]

but what about small port and big port intake manifolds on the 16v 4age's wait......is a geo also a toyota?

[larshenrik91]

Can somebody tell me the thing about silvertops, bluetops, redtops and 20V tops?

Cus the 20v tops wasn't originally fitted on these cars, right?

[xinsanepinoyx]

ahahah Silvertop is the 20v bluetop is the stock 4age engine and redtop is the high comp ide call you and idiot but i asked that same question to my bro

[SidewaysEightSix]

the Blue top is the stock engine in the GT-S. The red top is a supercharged version out of an MR-2 i believe. the silver top is a 20V version out of the AE101 and the blacktop is also a 20v out of a AE111. The blue tops run about 112-130 HP depending on what exact model engine it is.

[sl1d3w4ysAE86]

the aw11 mr2 used the big port blue top. the ae92 trueno/levin used the small port red top(higher compression, later models had no TVIS). the aw11 supercharged used the 4a-gze, which was a solid grey top.

[Sniping101]

actually the different color tops only refer to a paint scheme. blue tops came first, they tended to have the big ports and such, then red tops, however both heads are 16v and more or less interchange. The 4AGEZ has a super-charger and came with both blue and red tops and was available in bot AE86 and AE92 MR2's and Corollas, possibly other body styles aswell, although I'm not sure. The silver tops and black tops are both 20v which came in later body styles, they have four throttle bodies and

[sl1d3w4ysAE86]

where did you get that from? the AE86 was never offered with the supercharged 4A-GZE. in japan it was offered in the AE92 Trueno and Levin and the AW11 MR2. only the MR2 was offered with that motor here in the states.

[kostasss1986]

how much is the hp in a stock 4age?

[loscocorrocos]

my carolla is better. ae86 baby!

[englshmadesimple]

yeah def be careful of that clutch fan setup. Everyone's breaks at ~6500k rpm due to resonance.

But nice job sir.

[Samqdf]

hi I woudl be interested in what you think of my setup, search for "sams 20v sprinter" to find it

[D3ltaForc3]

thats i.t.b.'s dumbasses

damn u people are stupid

stupid ritch kids that think their somthing they dont kno shit about cars wow u got a lambo soo what freking supra owns that piece of shit even a civic k20 swap w/ boost will whoop that exotic piece of crap.

[jonas7473]

air filter?

[rsiconquest]

quads dont neccesarely need filters although its better to have them on.. if he has filters they would be the slip on sock filter.

[Samqdf]

sick filters can be suprisingly restrictive though.

[bizerk2o6]

just wondering why wouldnt it require filters?

[Samqdf]

morbidus1234: blacktop rods wont last long over 8500 revs

[Samqdf]

why not convert your cooling system so as to not have external cross over pipes? also anyone who bashes a firewall or removes a heating system to install a 20v deserves a bashing themself.

[Worschdman]

Runs super smooth!!! I want one for my AW11 (tight squeeze)... i wish i had an AE86 :'(

[bagdouche]

seariously, aw11's are awsome but there engine compartment is so hard to work around. getting a st myself soon. carbing it just cuz i have them and i dont wanna change my setup. nice swap though keep us posted.

[morbidus1234]

best 4age to work is not the silvertop or the blacktop but the redtop found on 1st gen mr2 and ae92,this is because they have more compresion than the blutop and a stronger block to take more punishment.

im stil looking forward for my blacktop swap,has lightest piston rods,im just aiming for 180 hp 9k rpm,why??well the stock 4age crankshaft snaps at 9.5k rpms,goodluck to buying a new crankshaft from formula atlantic (trd japan discontinued theirs)or even finding a used on ebay,they r rare.

[kimkamtwincam]

the smallport red top had higher comp 1st gen aw11 and ae92 are bigports with lower compression

[morbidus1234]

RyukoTR u dong have to bang the firewall, u can either get coils for example from newer miatas if u can find one on the junkyard, or cut a hole in the firewall to clear the distributor.

macmacmacdre650, the 240hp 11k rpm 4age costs about 15k US dollars to build if u wanna purchase one from toysport (i think that is the company's name) already built, main reason is that the Formula Atlantic crankshaft that allows the 4age to rev up to 12k costs 5.5k US dollars i think.

[85rolla]

lol dissapointed it wouldent go to 11k rpm stock? wtf u think toyota was trying to build a fucking race car or some shit for old people to hit 11k rpm? im 14 i bought my ae86 a few months back with my own money. it was broken but after i replaced its fuel pump and it fired right up. im about to get my open diff welded and i already gutted out everything but the front 2 seats and i only weigh 105 sometimes it makes me forget im running on a stock 16v bluetop lol.

[macmacmacdre650]

im a bit disappointed i thought this engine pulled off 240hp n 11k rpm but now i see that u just need 2 out some TRD parts so it can have those requirements... is that right?

[shoko15]

yeah man dont lose u engine just for hit 11k RPM..

u have good dreams with this car grat!!!

[RyukoTR]

i wanna do this swap on my rolla soo bad, but i dont wanna bang the firewall. did u have to?

btw, i like how your itbs point down

[pasingpogi]

yeah, im using the stock distributor so i had to make space in the firewall.. if you dont want to hit it then you have to use coil packs... those are the stock velocity stack... they used to be pointing up....

[evfan42]

since you had to bang the firewall did you lose your clearance for your heatercore?

[ndflay]

some fags can't handle the fact that toyota is the best

[pasingpogi]

this comments are getting WAY OFF! first of all, this is the real thing and not an initial d shit! this is a STOCK AE101 4AGE 20V SilverTop Engine that has custom wirings and map sensor setup with a BLACK TOP ECU. and can limit upto 8K rpm safely and has 160hp at the crank. the initial d one is the same engine BUT have TRD PARTS in it, and has 200something hp and can rev up to 12k rpm. sorry but, dont comment if your just going to talk about cartoons.

[sparrowlt]

Someone here has watch too much initial-D (and its not the video poster).

By the way, nice swap.. sounds like my PB engine in idle :D

[nickernator]

sweet motor, a bit dissapointed that it never got revd up!

[rvgr12]

yes that clattering sound. its been driving me NUTS! thanks for the info guys. will talk to my mechanic

[Krishy123]

the clattering noise u speak of is the VVT activator.. or VVT OCV. The oil leaks from the mechanism and starts making that noise. Its very common. Only way to fix it is get a new VVT mechanism. If u dont change it.. ur only losing slight performance in the mid-range. nothing too serious.

[bazzathemammoth]

sivertops dont have VVTi...

[Krishy123]

Thats correct, they dont have VVTi.. they have VVT.. it is the the version without intelligence to automatically retard or enhance itself..

4age Silvertops and Blacktops both have VVT. Google it to research mate.

[muzixlover]

i think the silver top only has a VVT cause i have a 12,000 rpm 20 v 4A-GE Trueno and it is a Project D ver.

[kaidobattle2196]

You mean you have a formula atlantic spec engine? huh?

[seph95]

can i please see pics of your car reving up to AT LEAST 11k RPM's? or a video? cuz the only way you could do it is either getting a formula atlantic series racing TRD 20v or tunning the computer...

[pasingpogi]

ok, it cant go to 11k rpm becasue its a stock ae101 engine and not takushits trd engine... even if youhad a stand alon ecu you cant rev it up to 11k because its not safe.... and its stock

[pasingpogi]

yeah it has vvt, but your digital trueno doesnt have vvt because it has vvt killer cams and camgears.. you know what it means?? ask your digital mechanic..

[muzixlover]

i think ur wrong Silver top has a VVT and it is not a VVTi in 1985 it is a VVt before.

[digitalpho3nix]

Wierd induction system you got going there... Is there an airbox that usually goes on there or does it just suck heat straight off the road?

You need to check your valvetrain clearances.

[asquithygangsta]

hey mate i have a silvertop 20V too. Is it normal for them to make that clattering noise from the valvetrain? Mine does it alot too.

[jonnyrochester]

Check valve clearances. Otherwise try a different oil to quiten it up. Im keeping the clutch fan on mine.