MYT engine - impossible visualization made possible

[Texmurphy51]

They claim the engine is 55hp, dont really show the size. A 250cc 2 cycle engine can produce 55hp so this is no where near the MASSIVE hp ratings they claimed. The engine will run, for sure but to make the amount of power he claimed in the beginning will melt the motor.

Another thing is efficiency. I see that he claims a 100% efficiency over conventional.

That is not possible. IC has a max of eff of 25%.

[FrankenPC]

HAHAHA! I love this crackpot technology stuff. Where's the ACTUAL car running on one of these?

[PwntifexMaximus]

@FrankenPC

watch?v=kARq0mUcXu0 and

watch?v=p6tgBLZP3Cw

In the latter case it is running on compressed air, not fuel, but the first free run should clear any doubts of it's abillity to do so.

You do realize that this "crackpottery" has won an award from NASA in the "create the future" contest, and that a version of it is already being put into (production) russian hybrid cars?

There is no magic, "perpetual motion","free energy" or mysticism involved here. Just engineering.

[nkristian]

Everything what is new is very very very bad:-))), this was the same problem with the common engines. Wake up. Someone have big balls to bring us a new engine and you are speaking about low efficiency? Remember, if you want to use this engine, you will pay for Russia

[BaneOfFreeSpeech]

@nkristian You are silly this isnt a NEW technology at all in fact there is over 90 years of development in this tech and the USA uses it in torpedos to this day. So while there maybe problems look into DUKE ENGINE 5 cylinder axial engine. Laugh at yourself.

[Texmurphy51]

This engine will melt if run because it has no cooling system.

[CultOfTheGuitar]

@Texmurphy51 Old VW Beatles and Harley's are air cooled. Or just put a water jacket on it.

[Texmurphy51]

@CultOfTheGuitar VW engines dont produce the HP this thing does.

Thats why when they increased the HP they water cooled them.

You cant just put a water jacket on the outside unless the engine is made of copper.

Why do you think car motors have coolant circulating through all the passages?

The metal grows and if not kept at the same temp it will warp.

This is the same here.

Thats why his only working model runs on air.

[CultOfTheGuitar]

@Texmurphy51 you have a point but turbines are often air cooled and run at much hotter temps and HP's than regular piston engines. Materials exist with a good chance of solving these problems. 

[Texmurphy51]

@CultOfTheGuitar "turbines are often air cooled "

Turbines are 40% efficient vs 20% for I.C. engines.

Less heat to get rid of. Turbines acheve this because their internal parts can run at 5000F.

Pistons will melt at that temperature.

The japanes have been working a a hot block engine. problem is there is no lubricant that will work.

Turbines dont have that problem.

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

This is true, but the production costs and complex engineering required makes and keeps it as a high-end, high-cost powerplant. This is simply...simpler. Less surface exposed to the heat etc...

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus The heat is generated internally & must be dissipated, surface area makes no difference. This may be less complex but it will not work. The engine will melt because it cannot dissipate the heat it generates internally. I will have to be sized up in order to bring the coolant inside & that will remove the only advantage it has of a regular engine which is size

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

I just found out that this (MYT) engine is already in production, as part of a biodiesel electrical generator. According to the specs, all engines up to 145kW are air-cooled.

I'm not sure how they pull it off, but I can take some guesses:

1. Diesel engines are cooler and more efficient than gasoline-engines.

2. There is no load or friction between the "pistons" and the housing aside from the rings.

3. They use oil mixed in the biodiesel. (Fact, but might be irrelevant)

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus sez"but heat transfer is proportional to surface area."

Exactly what I am saying, this engine has much less surface area than a normal IC engine, yet will generate the same amount of heat per HP.

The claim is that this will make much more HP in a smaller package, how do you get rid of the heat?

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

You do realize that you are contradicting yourself? The heat transfer to the engine from the hot gasses is proportional to area. Assuming no difference in thermal efficiency, this means that the excess heat will escape primarily through the exhaust. Wich is not the case: diesel-engines count as IC and can have a documented efficiency of over 50%.

This engine is already for sale as part of a generator that runs on biodiesel. No sparkplugs, just compression = higher eff.

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus "this means that the excess heat will escape primarily through the exhaust"

The area inside this motor must be the same as any other motor else it would have less cubic inches & less HP. His claim is not more HP/ cu inch, just a smaller sized motor.

Thus the heat dissipation would be the same, not pushed out the exhaust as you claim.

There is NO reason for this motor to have more efficiency, it runs on the same diesel cycle as others.

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

Naturally there will be both, don't think I've said otherwise. But your claim about "maximum 25% for IC" is pure bull.

Non-reciprocation. No radial load on the "pistons" (much less friction). Long dwell at maximum compression. Slow revolving but high torque engine.

Are these things present on this engine and do they positively effect efficiency? Are the three first exclusive to the MYT over conventional engines?

Take your time.

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus sez"But your claim about "maximum 25% for IC" is pure bull"

I can tell you dont study thermodynamics. Engines follow the rules of therm.

It has been tested & show to be correct. This engine in no way breaks the rules.

Regular engines are 94% mechanically efficient. (not much room for improvement)

What is the claimed eff of this motor?

Where is the proof? (mathmatical or emperical?)

Sounds like you simply Believe what the hype on this

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

Yes, and diesels readily achieve over 40%, up to 50% efficiency. Not 25%.

I have seen no efficiency claims beyond the theoretical points and improvements pointed out. The empirical data from the specs of the generator: 145 W, air cooled six-inch engine.

The discussion was about weather this engine-design was advantageous over standard engines. Unless you care to actually present some points against this design, or debunk the ones I made, you have nothing more to say.

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus sez"diesels readily achieve over 40%,"

I thought we were talking gasolline power here.

You telling me this is a diesel engine?

Diesel does have a higher efficiency than gas, thats why diesel cars get better gas milage,plus diesel has more energy per gallon.

However, the claims of this engine is that it replaces a very very large engine, same HP.

It does not come anywere close to that.

It has no advantages as far as I can see, other than its different

[Texmurphy51]

@Texmurphy51 Part 2

His claims are that this engine has a 40 times higher power to weight radio of conventional.

This generator comes no where near that.

It had to be modified from the bare bones block to one that can dissipate the heat.

This thing is a pipe dream. It will be no better or more efficient than any others

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

Yes it's a diesel. Haven't you been reading ANYTHING I've been writing?

The claims are accurate for the same RPM; cylinder volume is equevalent to truly enormous 4-stroke engines. 4-stroke only combusts once every other revolution.

Since when did you see a 200 HP engine that was air-cooled and 6-inches across? The generator is exactly that. 145W =(approx) 200 hp. The enormous HP ratings you see is for the 14-inch model.

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus sez"Since when did you see a 200 HP engine that was air-cooled and 6-inches across"

WHAT?????????????

This generator claims to 40Kilowatts, thats FIFTY FREAKING HORSEPOWER

50horsepower, get it????

Also look at the picture, look at the size of it, there are no specs on how big it is or how many cooking fins have been added to that little stripped down version he ran on compressed air.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU MAKE STUPID STATEMENTS

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

I read variable 40 -145 kw, air cooled. It is specified as MYT-6, meaning 6-inch diameter.

200 horsepower, get it??

The info about the engine is on the angellabs website, the generator is on industrialgreenpower.

DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU MAKE STUPID STATEMENTS

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus Generators are rated at peak CONTINUOUS power. The 145kw is a burst. Also, Speed has NOTHING to do with the generating capacity. Generators run a a constant speed.

You mean I cant draw less then 40KW?

40KW is continuous use figure

Did you see the picture of this thing? (i did)

Did you seen any dimensions?

It may be based on a 6 inch prototype but it now has cooling as I said it needed and is much larger

Again you show your ignorance

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

Where did you see the picture? I have not.

Generators are indeed rated at continous power. Why do you assume this is different?

Variable speed generators have been in use and perfected in windturbines for decades.

Where did you get the information about cooling and size?

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus "Where did you see the picture?"

Go to peswiki(dot)com & see all the free energy devices As for variable speed generators, they are a requirement for wind turbines, not for motors.

Again, why would you have an upper and lower limit of generation unless one was continuous use and the other burst?

My generator lower figure of use is zero,

He has been trying to peddle this design for years & no big companies will bite so he is mfg his own product

[PwntifexMaximus]

@Texmurphy51

The picture text says: "Synchronous alternator like this likely to be used with the engine". You have no support in your previous claims about cooling and size.

This is not a free energy device, nor has it ever been claimed as such. Variable generators are indeed not required, but they allow the engine to operate at any RPM:s. Something you said was impossible.

Maybe you should answer the question instead of diverting: Is this design better than normal engines?

[Texmurphy51]

@PwntifexMaximus sez"You have no support in your previous claims about cooling & size"

Guess What... Neither do YOU.

You are making the claim it is a 6 in motor & all the other claims you made about heating & you didnt even see a picture of the generator like i did.

You made the claim of 200hp with no information.

I didnt say variable speed was impossible but said a generator ITSELF has to turn at a constant speed to make 60 hz. (unless it is dc and uses an inverter)

[tomayoga]

This is very interesting!!! But the question is will the manufacturers who have billions invested in the current technology be willing to scrap the older stuff and start afresh? Or will it take new companies and start ups to take this technology and change things from the outside?

[charlydarkflo]

IN SOVIET RUSSIA ALL THE CARS HAVE THIS KIND OF ENGINES

[Texmurphy51]

@charlydarkflo If you mean ones that dont work for shit then you are correct.

[MrDavid949]

I don't think it will ever work. How is it lubricated? From what I can see, there is no way to keep the sliding pistons lubricated while keeping the oil away from the combustion areas...

[chaorrottai]

Cool thing about this engine, it's operating RPM range is 40 rpm - 15,000 rpm, that's enough to stuff it into a formula 1 racer, imagine the carnage this thing would wreak on the tracks.

[herbid68]

Search in google with this:

parson pursue vibrating piston engine

Click to first link :

Vibratory Steam Engines

You'll see the same device already made circa 1890 ....

[herbid68]

Search in google with this:

parson pursue vibrating piston engine

[herbid68]

It is look like Parson Vibrating Piston Engine back circa 1890 ....

[DRTYEG6KID]

I hate long comments.. keep it simple like the engine..

[terracer]

At the risk of looking foolish and incurring the wrath of so many of you folks here let me ask this: How can it get such good MPG if it's having so many "intake cycles" per single rotation? Also - How are the pistons able to create a sealed combustion chamber? Are they pinned to what appears to be a large flywheel type disc? I love the idea of non reciprocating engines.. it's insane to change direction when you can continue on the same path! Wankel was right!

[thefencejumperengine]

@terracer Search for the Fence Jumper engine or Vengeance engine.

[m1aws]

How are the pistons cooled? They are getting heated from both sides.

What is the valve system. I presume like a two stroke.

The output shaft seems to refuse a smooth rotation.

I would doubt the reliability of this very much :(

But if it does work. The first people on the bloc will be the aircraft man'frs. due to its weight and size.

[springhill1958]

Thanks for the graphic, i think the concept is fabulous, but my concern is sealing; there are too many leak paths and the air will leak in to the crank case.

[vancouverbluz1]

Whomever made this video THANK YOU!!! Now this isn't nebulous, it makes perfect sense. That is the main issue with car manufacturers that this fixes. The fact is normal ICE configuration leaves lots of material devoted to one specific thing which makes it more inefficient. He has basically desyncronized ICE and allowed for the same intake,compression,ignition,ex­haust to be used .OUT OF SYNC! I've always known that this was possible! He has finally done it!

[Fatoshi000]

@ kmarinas86. Listen, my time is way too valuable to educate you on how shit works! Besides if I was a hater but I actualy like the design it's just sad that it doesn't work the way he say. I did my research/homework and you didn't. Believe what you want, I dont give a shit !!!!! OK!?

[kmarinas86]

@Fatoshi000

Translated: "Believe what you want; my time is too valuable to read your comments about how you think this works! I did my research/homework, and since you did not agree with my facts, you did apparently did not check your work. Even though I think the design is the shit, it doesn't work-that's sad. You must listen to me, but I DON'T want to listen to you. You got that? Don't answer to that last one; that's just a rhetorical question."

[Veparrr]

@Fatoshi000 your time is too valuable? what the hell you doin' on youtube then?

[Fatoshi000]

Just wanted to add many people might be confused of what I said ! So I just wanted to say, the way MYT engiine extract the power from all those combustions into a shaft, from which it could be transfered to the transmission or wheels of the car, because this engien works like a clock like, anyway the mechanism that obtain the power is designed so that it delivers only very low RPM on the output shaft but very high torque. This is why MYT engine might never be produced, it's kinda useless !!

[littlenanner85]

@Fatoshi000

hey daryl. he isnt saying 800 is the top rpm. its just the rpm where he stated the torque at. which is very low for that torque. even if it has there is something out there that deals with torrque and rpm. It just came out. its called the "transmission", neat huh? The average diesel engine redlines around 3000 or so. yet there has been world speed records made by diesels. Don't be ignorant.

[Fatoshi000]

@littlenanner85 why don't you check how much torque does diesel engine has and power and how many speeds does transmission have, and while you at it check what ratio does it stats from. you wanna know more ? learn about the ratio. I will say this one more time. the MYT engine works like seconds' arrow on the analog clock.

[littlenanner85]

@Fatoshi000 he also claims his smaller models, like the 6 incher (more for commercial cars) could possibly run at 10,000 to 15,000 rpm.

[Fatoshi000]

Honda engine 1.5 L

MYT engine 850 cubic inch

Convert : 850 cubic inch = 13.9290 L

Now increase the size of the honda engine > 1.5 L x 10 = 15 L

MYT engine 13.9290 L makes 800 lb fs of torque

Honda engine 1.5 L makes 1000 lb fs of torque

So what's the conclusion here anyways ?

This is just ruff calculations !!

MYT engine is not that small and not that powerfull !!

[sypha0x]

You don't understand. The amount of RPM's isn't important to the DriveShaft. Remember it's HP = Torque [ ft x lbf ] x RPM / 5252. As long as your engine can produce enough Torque who cares about the RPM's.

[Fatoshi000]

@sypha0x What do you mean "who cares about the RPM's" ? If you wont have any revolutions where would you go? With low RPM how fast would you go ? And if you use transmission to convert low RPM in to high RPM you will reduce the power that engine makes ! In the regular engine transmission is used to reduce the RPM from high to low so the power is incresed rather ! Besided the way regular piston engine is designed when it goes for compretion it would make more power than MYT, it's too much writing

[kmarinas86]

@Fatoshi000

"What do you mean 'who cares about the RPM's' ? If you wont have any revolutions where would you go? With low RPM how fast would you go?"

YOU ARE DUMB. The average chamber space within the 14" MYT engine undergoes 8 compressions per 1 shaft turn versus 1 compression per 2 shaft turns of an conventional 4-stroke ICE. To complete all 4-stroke events, the MYT engine just rotates once, NOT TWICE. TORQUE density at the SHAFT of a 14" MYT engine is 16X MORE than its 1.7L chamber implies.

[kmarinas86]

@kmarinas86

"TORQUE density at the SHAFT of a 14" MYT engine is 16X MORE than its 1.7L chamber implies."

And last but not least, this above may in fact be an understatement. The reason for the understatement that the compression ratios in a rotary engine with this piston configuration may be engineered to be higher. Angel Labs claims that 70:1 is possible with the MYT engine. This can justify Angel Labs' claim of 20hp/lb power density for the single chamber 14" MTY engine.

[sypha0x]

Remember... HP = Torque [ Ft x Lbf ] x RPM / 5252 .... the Drive Shaft's Torque is important here not the RPM's. Basic Horsepower math can tell you how many pounds per feet can be displaced per efficient Torque on the Drive Shaft. This is what's important not the total RPM's lol

[littlenanner85]

@Fatoshi000

actually it is very small. look at a normal 850 cubic inch engine. what are trying to prove with those numbers anyways? lift the myt then lift that cummins turbo diesel. then tell me the myt is not that small.

[Fatoshi000]

OK it was clamed that MYT engine makes 800 lbs of torque at 800 RPM ! Ok lets take a regular honda civic engine that makes 130hp and 100tq at 8000 RPM, lets do some math! Honda engine makes 8000 rpm so to make it = to MYT engine we divide it by 10 because it has 10 time more rpm

8000 PRM / 10 = 800RPM

now because you reducing rpm by transmission you increase the power so lets increae the power

we got 130hp and 100tq at 8000 RPM

130 HP x 10 = 1300 HP

100 tq x 10 = 1000 tq

[Fatoshi000]

This engine is not equivalent as the inventor says it is. MYT engine because of its design has reduced RPM on the output shaft ! It makes that much torque at 800 revolutions per minute. Normal engine in the car makes 7000 and not 700 revolutions per minute. Truly normal engine does make that much torque in first gear. But if you drive your car in first gear it doesn't go fast but has a lot of torque, that's because the RPM on the output shaft is reduced by the transmission.

[otivaeey]

"But if you drive your car in first gear it doesn't go fast but has a lot of torque, that's because the RPM on the output shaft is reduced by the transmission. " contradicts the whole thing you want to say - the whole paragraph.

[Fatoshi000]

Youtube only lets you say so much ! What I was saying that MYT engine is low RPM engine on its output shaft because of its design, unlike the regular engine that make more RPM some newer up to 10 times more than MYT engine. By reducing RPM on high rpm engine you could get the amont of torque MYT engine makes. MYT engine is a cool design but MYT engine does not make more power than the regular engine already does!

To "regular" I include regugal piston and rotary engines !

[littlenanner85]

@Fatoshi000

Your funny. lets see a standard ice 850 cubic inch run 7000 rpms. your comparing an golf balls to beach balls.

[littlenanner85]

@Fatoshi000

i wish i would have been on here earlier for your horrible debate.. the myt has the possibility of higher rpms than a regularly ic. no valves, a lot less parts, its not reciprocating. his 6 inch engine claims to run 10,000 15,000 rpms. lets see your honda do that.

[squinty666]

@littlenanner85 Get a motorcycle, they go to 20,000 rpm

[squinty666]

@otivaeey Gearboxes are called torque multipliers. In first you get mahoosive amounts of torque at very low RPMs. As you go up the gears when you speed up the torque drops as the gearing becomes closer to 1:1 (engine:Drivetrain rpm). So if your gear ratio is 16:1 then your torque is effectively 16 times greater after the gearbox multiplies it.(most first gears are around 30-40:1. Meaning an engine of 100nm torque will have 3000-4000nm of torque at the wheels but at lower rpm than the engine.

[BabeMagnet243]

@Fatoshi000 i believe he said its 700 rpm at idle i hope yours isnt 7000 at idle

[TheCameoAfro1]

@Fatoshi000 your an idiot. aside from all you said was just contradicting..... the myt is like REALLY SMALL!!! + like the other guy said... engines have transmissions to sort all the rpm

[Fatoshi000]

@TheCameoAfro1 well if I'm and idiot. Why the f**k are you talking to me !? wouldn't that make you an idiot ??

[littlenanner85]

@Fatoshi000

its not geared down. it makes that power at that low of rpms cuz of the 32 fires per rotation.

[chaorrottai]

@Fatoshi000 loltastic bud, he's saying that his engine makes enough power to drive a bugatti at 800 rpm, all you do is change the gear ratio, which is neutral without hitting the gas on your car, it's also neutral, without hitting that gas in this car.....also, thanks to the reduced weight, if a bugatti used that engine it would go at least 460 mph. A bugatti weighs 4,000 lbs, and most of that is engine, probably'd weigh 1400 lbs with this

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai I won't even tell you how retarded your statment is, you wouldn't understand :-( I'm sorry for you :-(

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl sorry, I phrased that improperly, what I meant to say was that the revs of a standard engine at idle are 800 rpm and that the MYT engine produces 850 horses at 800 rpm, which is just under the equivalent hp of a Bugatti, but once you factor in the dramatic weight reduction then the the reduced horsepower even out because there's a lot less mass to accelerate considering the Bugatti engine is somewhere weighs around 2000 lbs.

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl also, you can reduce the weight and size of the transmission itself because the MYT engine produces high torque at low rpm and would require lower gear ratios to output the same amount of force at the tires, creating another gain because of weight loss. Cool thing though, you can buy a diesel electric MYT engine driven electrical generator now from industrial green power, proving that the engine works.

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai Those engines have low power ratings around 50kW. The high torque if from a internal gearbox.

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl Yeah, if your buying the reduced output generator, notice the max on the single MYT generator is 145kw, which equates to 195 horsepower. If you account for the inefficiencies of electric power generation you can up the figure to 210 horsepower as a conservative estimate. Let me repeat that, 210 horsepower in a 25lb, 170 cubic inch package. Consider the weight of a 200 hp V6 is 500 lbs and the MYT engine gets 2x fuel efficiency of a regular diesel at a fraction of the production cost

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl That's only the six inch model and it's around 210 horsepower, now take into account the operating range and that you wouldn't need a complicated gear box just a 0.5 ratio for in town, a 1.2 overdrive and and another gear for reverse, less parts, less resistance, less weight. Which further increases fuel economy. Add the increase in fuel efficiency to reduction in weight and we should easily see a full sized sedan with 210 hp that gets 100mpg.

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai on his site he clearly states that they have around 100 hp

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl Apparently I can't post links, look up "myt engine angel labs" on google, then look at the technical specifications posted on his website under myt engine then under details and in the specs category it will say: Advertised hp (KW) 850(634) NA 3,000 (2,238) SC/TC (copied directly from his website) 850 hp comes at 800 rpm for a torque of 5580.25 ft lbs of torque. Don't argue with engineering students

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai 13.8L of capacity, no tests or a prototype whatsoever, just a quess. I saw data of a prototype 6" I think it had no more than 100hp

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl seriously dude, learn the math, do the math, do the research. the six inch model exerts 145 kw of power from an altdernator which is max of 90% efficient, then convert to hp. it comes up to just over 210 hp. The 6" weighs ~25 lbs. Geni's run, therefore they are beyond prototype. don't believe me look up Yo-mobiel or e-mobile, the engine design is called swing piston, it's over 50 years old, the russians are mass producing next year.

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai Look you like fairy tales - fine :-) its just like believing in "HHO" systems (stupid) :-)

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl You're right, HHO is sketchy at best. But there is no mechanical reason why this shouldn't work, it's just a simple and space efficient design. Simplicity is the mark great design and truly, the only hard thing about this engine is timing and sealing, since the bio-diesel serves as the lubricant and eliminates the problem of lubrication. If you don't believe that swing piston engines work you'll have to travel to russia and argue with the working ones inside their well publicized

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl hybryd, scheduled for release next year. The car runs, Putin drove it, it's been in proper news outlets and it's essentially a 4 cylinder MYT engine with a modified timing mechanism. youtube.com/watch?v=aZB0Go3Kj-­k look at the video they show you the entire damn engine part by part. I back my arguments with facts, can you do the same?

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai It's a different mechanical build, and it has less HP than your miracle worker states. This is a stupid configuration for a internal combustion engine, and in any way is it fuel efficent. If i would like to have huge power and low weight of the engine i would go for external combustion (turboshaft engine AKA gas turbine).

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl Clearly you don't understand, the MYT Engine is an 8 cylinder version of the Yo-mobiles engine. It produces 16 non-reciprocating(momentum saving) pulses per rpm with low internal engine resistance due to the low number of driven parts. Compared to a V8, which reciprocates and makes 4 pulses per rpm and has to drive many parts. 800 RPM MYT = 3200 RPM V8, but the package is smaller and offers less internal losses.

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl If each cylinder has a 0.8625 liter capacity and the motor fires 16 times per rpm, then it matches the amount of fuel burned in a 13.8 liter v8 over 2 rpm, if it only completes 1 rpm. Factor this in and 800 rpm in an MYT engine is the equivalent of 6200 rpm in a V8. Just the process is more efficient and is done with diesel which is 25% more efficient than gas to begin with. If the process is more efficient and the fuel is also, then the whole engine is better.

[akkudakkupl]

@chaorrottai There is no proof that a rotating vane engine would be more efficent than a normal reciprocating engine. The built in gearbox uses up power (mechanical drag), big number of rotating parts with big circumferences produce high drag all the time. Big ammount of power strokes uppers the fuel useage. In adition this thing will have huge flexibility issues because of high rotating mass. Its useless as a engine for automotive aplications, the only use i see is for industrial engine.

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl Big number of rotating parts? It has 15 moving parts. By the way, reciprocating is a functionally retarded way of spinning something if you don't have to because now you're having a fight with momentum, you might win but it's at a cost of energy. MYT just has to deal with centrifugal forces and has less mechanical drag than a regular engine i.e. reduced output losses.

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl It's not a miracle machine, it just has multiple small advantages that stack. Non-reciprocating(conserves momentum), lowered mechanical drag, low production cost due to decreased materials and complexity, decreased over all weight, engine rpms that match tire rpm at cruising speeds. All of this adds up, it's like a wankle engine that doesn't suck.

[chaorrottai]

@akkudakkupl So via engneering, it has higher mechanical efficiency...ok, what else? Well it's cheaper to make from a mass production standpoint...ok, what else? It's lighter, thereby reucing the cost of acceleration...and? Well, if you run it through a retuned torque converter you only need a 1:1 forward and a reverse gear, so transmission is cheaper and lighter, further decreasing the cost of acceleration. Oh! and it runs diesel...Where do I sign?

[stingray300m]

bill gate invented the computer out his garage but this guy smashes bill he might as well open his own car companey since the big 3 are concerned about everything ealse but 150 miles to the gallon time will tell what happneds

[silverbird58]

if the teeth /piston spaceing lincage wears out does the wear and tear allow the engine to still run?

[futuristictech]

rotation has to be uniform. the noise it's going to be a problem. pretty close to be a good design. keep the good work and don't let nobody use your design for the wrong porpuses. create for a better world tomorrow, not to destroy it.

[bmfoshizzle]

but imagine a traditional engine with only 4 combustions per revolution. This is much more uniform.

[futuristictech]

it can be done. i am working on a patent for a diferent valve sistem that allows the piston to charge gas and air at the same time that the piston is heading the upper position. and with the direct ingection (like the new lincoln mks) this can be done. but we need to wait until i finish to pay. this is not a easy prosess but it will be done next year with god's help.

[Zxceelxuz]

Do you mean that you're designing a valve system to compress the air and gas at the same time?

[futuristictech]

correct. The valve can be installed (with a spacer and porting the head) in a piston engine head to do what you suggest. It would be a litle more complicated. cfm. and gas needs to be re mesured. and msd. need to be installed.(and maybe a cam with more duration and lift.) this would depend on the space available in the combustion chamber and some other factors. ci. & gas milage needed.

[NEEDCARS]

why isnt this on a car yet?

[Fatoshi000]

It is because it wouldn't work on the car as usefull as the regular engine does !!

[oasiac]

I think the reason they're finding it difficult to bring this to the automotive market is because companies are looking towards electricity not fossil fuels. Electric motors are by far superior in terms of Power to Weight ratio the only downside of them at this time is the batteries used to power them. Companies would rather invest in these electrically powered systems than steadily use up the worlds fossil fuels. Also its cleaner and will likely stay in use far into the future.

[marcibb]

Good point but still this is a very nice engine.

[oohRy]

this engine runs on soy bean oil. the reason they're finding it difficult to bring this to the automotive market is because companies want an unreliable engine that costs money to run, and will slowly deteriorate and break down so you have to spend even more money fixing or replacing it.

[littlenanner85]

in some way or another fossil fuel will be used to power your electric car.

[motomorfo]

fantastic...

[smvuy]

wich set of pistons is the one that gives power to the dyno?

[silverbird58]

looks like its in sets of 4 and 4 two temporrly are drag the power the crank then next set

[philyLewis]

hmmm... STUPIDLY powerful and economical and 20 or so parts, cheap to manufacture. GREAT! BUT, what worries me is... for its pistons to spin ONLY in the correct direction, it looks like it MUST fire at the top and the bottom of the engine at the same time, the top and bottom two cylinders are joined and fire on opposit sides which propel the adjascent 2 cylinders round) AM I CORRECT?. But what happens if one sides fails to fire for some reason? Will its cylinders collide and smash to pieces???

[SeriousSam0378]

I dont think so, there is no way pistons collide. I have another concern; I ve noticed that ignitions r happening only at the certain areas of a cylinder, (top right and down left). Since ignition always firing at the same part of a cylinder, there is potential for overheating. And pistons go around, so they have a time or opportunity to cool. And I think that by the time engine working it will get more and more disproportioned, cuz one part of cylinder by the time will get hotter and hotter.

[philyLewis]

hmmm... take another look though... the "pistons" are infact joined in two cross shapes if you like... one of those "cross configurations" has an equal force applied to each SIDE of its configuration (one at the top spark plug, one at the bottom one) so that it does not go backwards as the other set of pistons get forced forwards... if the top or the bottom plug developes a missfire then the two "cross configurations" will be travelling in opposit directions. They will collide. BIGTIME!

[silverbird58]

i think we need to look further into his

crankshaft timming er linkage

[jlsoldwood]

Run it on diesel