Someone told me when Clarence Page gets nervous before an interview, he sucks his head, arms, and legs into his shell and they have to talk him down to come back out.
MSNBC fired don imus on a thursday because of the 'nappy headed' comment. The following Monday 'Cho' conducted the Virginia Massacre.Msnbc had been mailed a package from Ho about the same day they fired Imus.What did they do on Monday?They pasted pictures of Cho all over their news and webpage.Oh my God, they couldn't give this maniac enought fame and publicity!!Shameful and steve cappus should burn in hell for it.Fuck Msnbc "WORST NETWORK.. IN THE WOOOORRRLLLLDDDDDD'
Clarence Page is afraid to admit all the sexism in Black hiphop culture. They get away with more than Imus ever did. Racism in most cases is a two way street and Page doesn't want to admit that!
A. I feel (and I'm guessing you feel the same) George Bush will go down in history as a war criminal
B. Europe currently has more problems than the United States regarding eliminationist Islam. Hopefully we can avoid this cancer altogeter.
C. Only with the election results in November can we determine who has the more accurate world view. If McCain wins, then the Democrats did indeed overshoot. If Obama wins, you are the more perceptive of us.
On a side note, the race "problem" in America, the racial divide throughout the world will be solved eventually. It will be solved the old fashioed way. It will be solved through lots and lots of humping.
My concern is the future religious situation facing our nation. How will the growing Islamic population in the U.S. function with our mores?
This whole convert or die concept is a tough one for me to wrap my large cranium around. And lots and lots of humping won't solve it either.
"Lots and lots of humping" --not everyone's cup of tea, as even a quick look around YouTube will indicate. Though if it happens enough, the resistors (on all sides) might eventually lose their voice and relevance in their respective communities.
So far, in the US, we don't have anywhere near the same degree of problems with eliminationist Islam that Europe does, because the people that choose to move here are, on the whole, more integration-minded. Let's hope it stays that way.
Clarence, I just watched you on Hardball (8/19). You seem to be sweating bullets about Obama's sinking poll numbers. I wish you guys would have realized you can't win POTUS with only the ultra far left and the African American vote. Obama has failed to connect with most of middle America. Gay liberal arts professors and the black vote can only take you so far. You all should have been nicer to the Clintons. Obama will make a fine Supreme Court Justice when HC appoints him in 2012.
Obama is hardly "far left". Only in America, where backlash conservatives have spent the last 30 years shifting the center to the right, would the centrist Democrats be thought of as "left"
And the "gay liberal arts professors and the African American vote" is a pretty gratuitous cheap shot, since it has no truth to it (and the implication that those are somehow illegitimate is rather insulting).
And before you make assumptions, I'll add that my vote for Obama will not be an enthusiastic one.
The black vote isn't illegitimate, it simply isn't large enough to win POTUS by itself. Groups joining with other groups for a common cause is what wins elections. Obama cut himself off from a choice demographic (white women voters) because of his treatment of Hillary.
He is arrogant and this character flaw is what will cost him dearly in November. Hillary would have gladly picked Obama as
The black vote certainly can't win an election by itself, but your other assertion is a prime example of the incredible case of mass projectionism (as I think a psychologist would term it) that goes on concerning Obama. Frankly, people project whatever they want to see onto that man, good or bad. And it gets VERY wacky.
Obama did not do anything to Hillary. Whatever one thinks of him or his positions, he has been nothing but a class act and a gentleman this entire campaign. (continued)
(continued) Frankly I'm amazed he's gotten this far while sticking to the high road. (Screw race---that's the REAL miracle here.)
The militant Hillary voters who are putting their own egos above the urgency of the issues at stake here, in my opinion, a national disgrace. There is no legitimate reason that "white women", as a block, should withold their support from Obama. Luckily, many don't, including many former Hillary voters. But a large, bitter minority is holding the rest of us hostage.
Thanks for the chuckle! My favorite nugget was your "holding the rest of us hostage" comment. Good stuff.
Obama actually did treat the Clintons poorly. He and his rabid followers tagged Bill Clinton a racist for some off handed remark he uttered in South Carolina. I guess you forgot that one. Oh, and not choosing her as vice president even though she is incredibly popular and competent may also be viewed as disrespect.
If you really want to discuss the hostage situation in the Democratic Party, I will go there. Hopefully you'll have a few moments to google the phrase "Michelle Bernard and race riots in the street". Michelle is an almost daily fixture on Chris Matthew's Hardball television show, and she has a large national audience. Michelle decides to use her position to literally threaten violence if Obama isn't nominated as the Presidential candidate over Hillary.
I googled that, and it took me two seconds to learn that Bernard is a conservative, center-right pundit. She is not a Democrat. Her praising of Obama has its roots in factors unknown to me, but this is not an instance of some Democratic insider making veiled threats in their party's favor. It's an instance of a normally intelligent person saying something appallingly stupid and irresponsible.
In any case, Rush Limbaugh is the one who openly declared that he WISHED for riots.
I knew you'd bring up the South Carolina thing, which was an asinine and sadly predictable move on the part of Obama proxies (and NOT Obama himself, I might add) who were crouched like tigers just WAITING for something to pounce on and scream "Racism!" Because whether you want to chalk it up to cynical opportunism or a case of mass PSTD (I believe it's both), there is a whole element that makes its living crying wolf on matters of race, thereby diminishing the prospects for real reconciliation.
The Obama-Clinton "feud", was a disgraceful instance of "moutain out of a molehill" gutter politics perpetuated by hyperpartisans in both camps, and fed by a salivating media that thrives on discord, often at the expense of, oh, I dunno...humanity----and barely at all by either candidate THEMSELVES.
Calling out Obama for shoddy treatment of Clinton is yet another instance of the incredible mass projectionism that goes on surrounding him. Look at what happened, not what people THINK happened.
Dearest Marbles, Thank you for winning my arguement for me. As you mentioned, Bernard is indeed a "conservative, center-right pundit" yet she is a huge Obama fanatic. You also mentioned that her "praising of Obama has its roots in factors unkown to me"--well they are known to me. It is called race based voting. It's known as bigotry. Ninety five percent of African Americans are voting for Obama. Wow. And guess what? It's totally understandable. If I were black, I'd do it.
So Marbles, just don't bitch and moan when droves of pissed off white women do the same thing. They just want to see "one of them" in the White House. Nothing wrong with it.
Obama's problem is that he didn't perceive the identy politics involved in the American psyche. McCain obviously did. I did.
If Obama underestimates basic human behaviors, if he totally misjudges the American voter...HE SHOULDN'T BE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
It's statements like that that suggest that you've never listened to anything Obama HIMSELF has said.
"Didn't perceive the identity politics" You're kidding, right? He's touched on that so many times. He knows darned well what he's up against, and his only "mistake" in that regard has been to take the high road this whole time and stick to it.
Obama himself was dragged into the identity politics mess by idiot proxies on both sides, not to mention the disgustingly irresponsible media.
"If Obama underestimates basic human behaviors, if he totally misjudges the American voter...HE SHOULDN'T BE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD."
If that's carried to its logical conclusion, Obama correctly judging voters would have meant not running for president at all. Why bother trying to run if you know everything will be poisoned by identity politics? Better not to try at all, then!
There's not much about him that thrills me, but his attempt to break through that particular bullshit sure does.
Yes, silverback, there IS something wrong with that. Voting based on cosmetics and primitive fears is nothing but a way to help personally ensure that we as a society remain divided.
However, the (now!) overwhelming black support for Obama is in a somewhat different league, because it is not a majority banding together against a historically disenfranchised minority. I don't find it admirable, but at this point in history, it is certainly more understandable than its opposite.
You're being awfully presumptious regarding Bernard's motives. Race is a huge factor, but not the only one. If it were, there wouldn't have been any black Hillary voters. (Not to mention, people like Alan Keyes would be serious presidential contenders).
Nonetheless, if she wants to support Obama out of a desire to help move black Americans forward, that's her prerogative. But it emphatically NOT in the same category as white people voting for a white person purely out of tribalistic loyalty.
1. If you think the media has been "distgustingly irresponsible" towards the Obama campaign, you may need a refill on your Kool-Aid. It's important to keep your blood sugar levels balanced during a debate lest you utter something silly.
2. Saying that the "overwhelming black support" is different in this case is a prime example of the most dangerous liberal philosophy of all...lowered expectations based on race.
A typical ultra left thinking pattern sounds like this, "It's O.K. if they do it, after all they are BLACK. However, us lilly whites have to behave in a more advanced manner." Uh, no.
If white women voters feel snubbed and under represented in the highest offices, let them vote for Hillary or Palin or anyone else with a vagina. If a respected black conservative pundit like Michelle Bernard gets to vote for Obama unchallenged, then a honked off soccer mom in Scranton gets to vote for Palin.
3. Your comment "better not to try at all" is interesting and the most difficult to refute. Of course we should try. Obama though is too much too fast. Not only is he black, he father was Muslim and he is incredibly liberal in his policies. He was raised in other countries. This is ALOT to bite off and chew in one shot. I think Hillary breaking the glass ceiling would have been more palatable to the American voter.
The tragedy of that statement is that, in terms of reality as opposed to sanity, you could be proven right. If Americans weren't so ignorant, this mild-mannered center/left upstart would trample any nominee the disasterous Republican Party DARED to nominate after the last 8 years. In a sane world, the black thing, Muslim father thing, foreign-raised thing, and "liberal" (as if) thing wouldn't make any difference. But as we're seeing, people are afraid of their own shadow.
"A typical ultra left thinking pattern sounds like this, "It's O.K. if they do it, after all they are BLACK. However, us lilly whites have to behave in a more advanced manner."
That's an amazing twisting of my words. I didn't say anything even remotely like that, nor would anyone else who honestly considered themselves "liberal".
If Bush has been right about ONE thing, it was the accuracy of the phrase "the soft bigotry of low expectations."
Soledad O'Brien did a ok job on that Black In Amerikka Peice,but this Boot Licker Clarence"May I lick your Boots Sir"Page is another sell out who needs to be thrown head first into the lake of fire to kissing to these racist who hate on black people 24/7.
mightyblack1: You still haven't made it clear if you're actually familiar with Page, and you haven't given any examples of him "siding with racists", which I SINCERELY DOUBT he does. Be specific.
I may not be black, but I know this: demanding ideological purity from everyone will get a person NOWHERE. It seems that whatever the group or movement in question is, a person has to do very little to be smeared as a "sellout". One false move and someone's a "Boot Licker". And that is just foolish.
I was in a restaurant last week and ordered Clarence Page soup.
rleary1 2 years ago
I have a guitar pick made out of Clarence Page.
rleary1 2 years ago
Someone told me when Clarence Page gets nervous before an interview, he sucks his head, arms, and legs into his shell and they have to talk him down to come back out.
rleary1 2 years ago
Hey, Clarence! Crawl back in your shell!
rleary1 2 years ago
Clarence looks like a 'nappy headed' Turtle...
rleary1 2 years ago
MSNBC fired don imus on a thursday because of the 'nappy headed' comment. The following Monday 'Cho' conducted the Virginia Massacre.Msnbc had been mailed a package from Ho about the same day they fired Imus.What did they do on Monday?They pasted pictures of Cho all over their news and webpage.Oh my God, they couldn't give this maniac enought fame and publicity!!Shameful and steve cappus should burn in hell for it.Fuck Msnbc "WORST NETWORK.. IN THE WOOOORRRLLLLDDDDDD'
rleary1 2 years ago
Clarence Page is afraid to admit all the sexism in Black hiphop culture. They get away with more than Imus ever did. Racism in most cases is a two way street and Page doesn't want to admit that!
GEORGETOWN93 2 years ago
very true hypocracy is a very american trait i find ..
oluwalogbon58 2 years ago
Marbles, Let's find some common ground.
A. I feel (and I'm guessing you feel the same) George Bush will go down in history as a war criminal
B. Europe currently has more problems than the United States regarding eliminationist Islam. Hopefully we can avoid this cancer altogeter.
C. Only with the election results in November can we determine who has the more accurate world view. If McCain wins, then the Democrats did indeed overshoot. If Obama wins, you are the more perceptive of us.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
On a side note, the race "problem" in America, the racial divide throughout the world will be solved eventually. It will be solved the old fashioed way. It will be solved through lots and lots of humping.
My concern is the future religious situation facing our nation. How will the growing Islamic population in the U.S. function with our mores?
This whole convert or die concept is a tough one for me to wrap my large cranium around. And lots and lots of humping won't solve it either.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
"Lots and lots of humping" --not everyone's cup of tea, as even a quick look around YouTube will indicate. Though if it happens enough, the resistors (on all sides) might eventually lose their voice and relevance in their respective communities.
So far, in the US, we don't have anywhere near the same degree of problems with eliminationist Islam that Europe does, because the people that choose to move here are, on the whole, more integration-minded. Let's hope it stays that way.
Marbles471 3 years ago
Clarence, I just watched you on Hardball (8/19). You seem to be sweating bullets about Obama's sinking poll numbers. I wish you guys would have realized you can't win POTUS with only the ultra far left and the African American vote. Obama has failed to connect with most of middle America. Gay liberal arts professors and the black vote can only take you so far. You all should have been nicer to the Clintons. Obama will make a fine Supreme Court Justice when HC appoints him in 2012.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
Obama is hardly "far left". Only in America, where backlash conservatives have spent the last 30 years shifting the center to the right, would the centrist Democrats be thought of as "left"
And the "gay liberal arts professors and the African American vote" is a pretty gratuitous cheap shot, since it has no truth to it (and the implication that those are somehow illegitimate is rather insulting).
And before you make assumptions, I'll add that my vote for Obama will not be an enthusiastic one.
Marbles471 3 years ago
The black vote isn't illegitimate, it simply isn't large enough to win POTUS by itself. Groups joining with other groups for a common cause is what wins elections. Obama cut himself off from a choice demographic (white women voters) because of his treatment of Hillary.
He is arrogant and this character flaw is what will cost him dearly in November. Hillary would have gladly picked Obama as
VP if the tables were turned.
Game, set, and match.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
The black vote certainly can't win an election by itself, but your other assertion is a prime example of the incredible case of mass projectionism (as I think a psychologist would term it) that goes on concerning Obama. Frankly, people project whatever they want to see onto that man, good or bad. And it gets VERY wacky.
Obama did not do anything to Hillary. Whatever one thinks of him or his positions, he has been nothing but a class act and a gentleman this entire campaign. (continued)
Marbles471 3 years ago
(continued) Frankly I'm amazed he's gotten this far while sticking to the high road. (Screw race---that's the REAL miracle here.)
The militant Hillary voters who are putting their own egos above the urgency of the issues at stake here, in my opinion, a national disgrace. There is no legitimate reason that "white women", as a block, should withold their support from Obama. Luckily, many don't, including many former Hillary voters. But a large, bitter minority is holding the rest of us hostage.
Marbles471 3 years ago
Thanks for the chuckle! My favorite nugget was your "holding the rest of us hostage" comment. Good stuff.
Obama actually did treat the Clintons poorly. He and his rabid followers tagged Bill Clinton a racist for some off handed remark he uttered in South Carolina. I guess you forgot that one. Oh, and not choosing her as vice president even though she is incredibly popular and competent may also be viewed as disrespect.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
If you really want to discuss the hostage situation in the Democratic Party, I will go there. Hopefully you'll have a few moments to google the phrase "Michelle Bernard and race riots in the street". Michelle is an almost daily fixture on Chris Matthew's Hardball television show, and she has a large national audience. Michelle decides to use her position to literally threaten violence if Obama isn't nominated as the Presidential candidate over Hillary.
Hmmm. Who is being held hostage again?
iamsilverback 3 years ago
I googled that, and it took me two seconds to learn that Bernard is a conservative, center-right pundit. She is not a Democrat. Her praising of Obama has its roots in factors unknown to me, but this is not an instance of some Democratic insider making veiled threats in their party's favor. It's an instance of a normally intelligent person saying something appallingly stupid and irresponsible.
In any case, Rush Limbaugh is the one who openly declared that he WISHED for riots.
Marbles471 3 years ago
I knew you'd bring up the South Carolina thing, which was an asinine and sadly predictable move on the part of Obama proxies (and NOT Obama himself, I might add) who were crouched like tigers just WAITING for something to pounce on and scream "Racism!" Because whether you want to chalk it up to cynical opportunism or a case of mass PSTD (I believe it's both), there is a whole element that makes its living crying wolf on matters of race, thereby diminishing the prospects for real reconciliation.
Marbles471 3 years ago
The Obama-Clinton "feud", was a disgraceful instance of "moutain out of a molehill" gutter politics perpetuated by hyperpartisans in both camps, and fed by a salivating media that thrives on discord, often at the expense of, oh, I dunno...humanity----and barely at all by either candidate THEMSELVES.
Calling out Obama for shoddy treatment of Clinton is yet another instance of the incredible mass projectionism that goes on surrounding him. Look at what happened, not what people THINK happened.
Marbles471 3 years ago
Dearest Marbles, Thank you for winning my arguement for me. As you mentioned, Bernard is indeed a "conservative, center-right pundit" yet she is a huge Obama fanatic. You also mentioned that her "praising of Obama has its roots in factors unkown to me"--well they are known to me. It is called race based voting. It's known as bigotry. Ninety five percent of African Americans are voting for Obama. Wow. And guess what? It's totally understandable. If I were black, I'd do it.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
So Marbles, just don't bitch and moan when droves of pissed off white women do the same thing. They just want to see "one of them" in the White House. Nothing wrong with it.
Obama's problem is that he didn't perceive the identy politics involved in the American psyche. McCain obviously did. I did.
If Obama underestimates basic human behaviors, if he totally misjudges the American voter...HE SHOULDN'T BE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
This is Psychology 101.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
It's statements like that that suggest that you've never listened to anything Obama HIMSELF has said.
"Didn't perceive the identity politics" You're kidding, right? He's touched on that so many times. He knows darned well what he's up against, and his only "mistake" in that regard has been to take the high road this whole time and stick to it.
Obama himself was dragged into the identity politics mess by idiot proxies on both sides, not to mention the disgustingly irresponsible media.
Marbles471 3 years ago
"If Obama underestimates basic human behaviors, if he totally misjudges the American voter...HE SHOULDN'T BE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD."
If that's carried to its logical conclusion, Obama correctly judging voters would have meant not running for president at all. Why bother trying to run if you know everything will be poisoned by identity politics? Better not to try at all, then!
There's not much about him that thrills me, but his attempt to break through that particular bullshit sure does.
Marbles471 3 years ago
Yes, silverback, there IS something wrong with that. Voting based on cosmetics and primitive fears is nothing but a way to help personally ensure that we as a society remain divided.
However, the (now!) overwhelming black support for Obama is in a somewhat different league, because it is not a majority banding together against a historically disenfranchised minority. I don't find it admirable, but at this point in history, it is certainly more understandable than its opposite.
Marbles471 3 years ago
You're being awfully presumptious regarding Bernard's motives. Race is a huge factor, but not the only one. If it were, there wouldn't have been any black Hillary voters. (Not to mention, people like Alan Keyes would be serious presidential contenders).
Nonetheless, if she wants to support Obama out of a desire to help move black Americans forward, that's her prerogative. But it emphatically NOT in the same category as white people voting for a white person purely out of tribalistic loyalty.
Marbles471 3 years ago
Three quick refutes:
1. If you think the media has been "distgustingly irresponsible" towards the Obama campaign, you may need a refill on your Kool-Aid. It's important to keep your blood sugar levels balanced during a debate lest you utter something silly.
2. Saying that the "overwhelming black support" is different in this case is a prime example of the most dangerous liberal philosophy of all...lowered expectations based on race.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
A typical ultra left thinking pattern sounds like this, "It's O.K. if they do it, after all they are BLACK. However, us lilly whites have to behave in a more advanced manner." Uh, no.
If white women voters feel snubbed and under represented in the highest offices, let them vote for Hillary or Palin or anyone else with a vagina. If a respected black conservative pundit like Michelle Bernard gets to vote for Obama unchallenged, then a honked off soccer mom in Scranton gets to vote for Palin.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
3. Your comment "better not to try at all" is interesting and the most difficult to refute. Of course we should try. Obama though is too much too fast. Not only is he black, he father was Muslim and he is incredibly liberal in his policies. He was raised in other countries. This is ALOT to bite off and chew in one shot. I think Hillary breaking the glass ceiling would have been more palatable to the American voter.
The Democrats overshot an easy free throw. Again.
iamsilverback 3 years ago
3. "too much too fast"
The tragedy of that statement is that, in terms of reality as opposed to sanity, you could be proven right. If Americans weren't so ignorant, this mild-mannered center/left upstart would trample any nominee the disasterous Republican Party DARED to nominate after the last 8 years. In a sane world, the black thing, Muslim father thing, foreign-raised thing, and "liberal" (as if) thing wouldn't make any difference. But as we're seeing, people are afraid of their own shadow.
Marbles471 3 years ago
"A typical ultra left thinking pattern sounds like this, "It's O.K. if they do it, after all they are BLACK. However, us lilly whites have to behave in a more advanced manner."
That's an amazing twisting of my words. I didn't say anything even remotely like that, nor would anyone else who honestly considered themselves "liberal".
If Bush has been right about ONE thing, it was the accuracy of the phrase "the soft bigotry of low expectations."
Marbles471 3 years ago
1. Disgustingly irresponsible toward the Obama camaign itself? In some contexts, yes, but not overwhelmingly.
Disgustingly irresponsible regarding the cultural faultlines that the campaign has dragged into the daylight? Hell yes.
2. Okay, who exactly is talking about "low expectations"? What does that have to do with black support for Obama?
I said it wasn't admirable, but it was understandable. If you read "low expectations" into that, I can't change that, but that's unfortunate.
Marbles471 3 years ago
Soledad O'Brien did a ok job on that Black In Amerikka Peice,but this Boot Licker Clarence"May I lick your Boots Sir"Page is another sell out who needs to be thrown head first into the lake of fire to kissing to these racist who hate on black people 24/7.
mightyblack1 3 years ago
Please explain to me what qualifies Page as a "Boot Licker" and a "sellout". Do you even know anything about his views?
Marbles471 3 years ago
Marbles471 this Boot Licker always side with racist white people against black people.
mightyblack1 3 years ago
mightyblack1: You still haven't made it clear if you're actually familiar with Page, and you haven't given any examples of him "siding with racists", which I SINCERELY DOUBT he does. Be specific.
I may not be black, but I know this: demanding ideological purity from everyone will get a person NOWHERE. It seems that whatever the group or movement in question is, a person has to do very little to be smeared as a "sellout". One false move and someone's a "Boot Licker". And that is just foolish.
Marbles471 3 years ago