Silencer Testing

[r0cd0x]

sounds like a pellet gun even with out the suppressor on it

[lambchops1493]

WTF. My break barrel Beeman RS2 Air Rifle has more recoil than this! And sounds like a .22 ruger unsilenced

[ispyder9]

sounds like my tippmann 98. i will have to put up a vid soon.

[slimjim561]

With the CCI CB Longs, and the silencer, you basically successfully created the most badass and expensive bb gun in the world.

[entropy111111]

very cool

[TheAIRBORNEfox]

cool!

[ThaBR33D]

Cool. I'm a lefty also.

[bsnow71]

very nice video man might need to get one of these so i can get some of the stupid squirrels out of our yard

[pacewilliams]

did you have to get a license for the suppreser?

[heypete1]

No. There is no license necessary to own suppressors.

That said, one *does* need to acquire the ATF-issued tax stamp, most commonly found on an ATF Form 4. This requires federal and local approval, a background check, fingerprints, $200 tax payment to the ATF, etc.

This might sound like a license, but the Form 4 and tax stamp is actually just a tax receipt, not a license.

Common point of confusion, though.

[Knight5008055]

i thought it was a federal law that civilians couldn't use a supprresor, is it?

[heypete1]

Incorrect, though it's a common misconception.

It is illegal to own or use a suppressor in the US...unless one has the appropriate paperwork approved by the local police and ATF. There's also a $200 tax, a background check, and one must submit fingerprints to the FBI.

I jumped through these hoops, and my suppressor is owned legally.

There are many companies out there, like Gem-Tech, AAC, Tactical Innovations, etc. that sell suppressors for lawful private ownership.

[Knight5008055]

cool, alright thanks man

[BrianMDPhD]

@heypete1 Well, unless you go the trust route. In which case there is no law enforcement signature, passport photos or fingerprints. A corporation has no fingerprints.

[simsohi]

@pacewilliams how come you would need a license in most cases to own a suppressor anyway? (im not knowledgeable on guns im afraid)

[AirGunHunter94]

you know silencer weaken the velocity

[heypete1]

Integral suppressors, built into a barrel with ports to vent gas from the barrel into the suppressor, do in fact reduce velocity due to the ports draining off gas, but muzzle-mounted suppressors do not reduce velocity.

In fact, muzzle-mounted suppressors provide a slight boost to the velocity (though less so than if the barrel were extended by the same length as the suppressor).

[nicholasbreeden]

nice to fire without hearing protection? if you need hearing protection for a 22. then there's a problem

[heypete1]

.22s produce dangerously loud levels of sound that can damage hearing. Don't underestimate them.

One *always* needs hearing protection when shooting unsuppressed firearms, and often needs it when shooting suppressed as well.

[nicholasbreeden]

I don't underestimate them...I have that exact gun sitting in my mancave...basement....And it is by no means, loud...nither is the Smith and Wesson 22. Handgun that I have...now the 7mm mag. I take huntin and the 30-06 i also take huntin can make some noise too

[heypete1]

It may not sound like much, but it is loud enough to cause hearing damage. The ear does not respond linearly to sound energy -- a damaging sound wave might not sound very loud, and one might not take appropriate action to protect against it.

Of course, 30-06 and 7mm Magnum are going to be louder (and painful to shoot without hearing protection), but that doesn't mean that .22s are safe to shoot without hearing protection.

[nicholasbreeden]

the 30-06 and 7 mm i only take deer hunting and at most i only shoot it maybe 3 times a trip...if I miss...which rarely happens...

[jonathans8]

WHAT?

[Bairbydala]

this is really cool :D

[Defossion]

Well done! Great video. Thanks!

[shadowwwalker]

Very good job putting that together.

[bladesyakumi]

In the battlefield, sub-sonic ammo would pose a tonne of problems. The main one being, the shooter would have to take his eye off the scope to recock, or at least have his firing position disturbed by cocking the rifle. And obviously it's no good for assault rifles.

[heypete1]

I hardly consider a .22 to be a fighting rifle. :)

That said, there are plenty of options for subsonic ammo that would allow for functioning of semi-auto and full-auto firearms. A notable example being .300 Whisper, which also works in AR-15/M16 pattern rifles.

[hokyplaya8]

i only gota 22 :( i wana get a shotty or somthin

[TheChainsawManiac]

Nice silencer near the middle when that girl is firing.

[buzzbombkirk]

Sorry to bother you - but what ammo are you using when the girl is shooting between 1 minutes 23 seconds and 1 minute 35 seconds? That is the quietest ammo I have ever heard, yet enough recoil to load the next round. Me likey. All other ammos are listed, that one is not.

Thanks

[FlightSimulator9]

its sounds like an airsoft gun :) xd

[omarfaw]

yep.

[infantysgt]

how can you test a silencer using sub-sonic ammo. that pretty much defeats the pourpose. use ammo that has.... i dont know... gun powder maybe???

[heypete1]

The CB Longs, as far as I know, don't have gun powder...just a big primer.

But the Remington Subsonic ammunition certainly does have powder (I've pulled the bullet and seen the powder). Out of a 16" barrel, the bullet is moving at just under the speed of sound...this is desirable, as you avoid the distinctive supersonic crack.

As you can clearly see in the movie, I also tested supersonic ammo.

The tests are not really scientific, but mostly for fun.

[zosoyoung]

i think ive been there

[5687678]

Click click click i thought the gun was empty.

[LasVegas1818]

is that a 22

[Seif5034]

yes, the Ruger 10/22 shoots .22LR

[DanDavM]

I have a Marlin Model 60 with the original 18 round tube fed semi-auto. Is there a silencer made for this type of rifle? I don't see any threads to try it out though. And I use Federal Hollowpoint Copperplated rounds.

[heypete1]

I'm not sure...you might need to get the barrel threaded.

Try contacting Gem-Tech (google for the name, as I can't post links here) and inquire if they know if anyone has successfully fitted their Outback II to a Model 60, and if so if they can provide any advice on how to get it to work with your rifle.

[rampe9]

is that .22 shit?

[tierlover5]

when u get the silencer stamp thingy its one time payment right u dont have to pay yearly right

[heypete1]

Correct. It's a per-transfer tax stamp: if you were to sell the suppressor, it'd be another $400 ($200 from seller-to-dealer, $200 from dealer-to-buyer). That's why there's not a big market for used suppressors.

Assuming you never sell it, it's effectively a one-time tax.

[Explosives8]

Hey could I put a silencer on my Winchester

69A?

[heypete1]

I don't see why not.

The threading for this particular can is the standard 1/2x28 threads-per-inch (same as AR-15 flash hiders). If your barrel can be threaded for it, then it should fit. If not, you may need to get a custom-built suppressor...and that can get pricey.

[PeeJayQueue]

Nice demonstration.

[Explosives8]

About how much did it cost for paper work and the silencer.

[heypete1]

About $550 total.

$200 for the ATF's NFA tax.

$250 for the silencer.

$50 for fingerprinting, passport photos, postage, and other miscellaneous costs/fees.

$50 tip to my dealer. (He helped me out for a week beforehand, answering a ton of gooberish questions from me. Nice fellow.)

[Explosives8]

How long did it take you to goet your silencer?

[heypete1]

- Picking out the right silencer: 1 week. (I wasn't sure if I wanted a silencer or machine gun, but opted for the former as it was cheaper.)

- Filling out the forms: 2 hours. (I double-checked everything.)

- Getting fingerprinted: 15 minutes. (There was a little bit of a line.)

- Getting the Sheriff's approval: About a week, including time to have it mailed back to me.

- Getting the ATF to background check and approve me: About a month.

[Explosives8]

Do Subsonic .22 rounds have enough force to kill a crow at 70 yards? Where did you buy your silencer?

[heypete1]

I'm not sure. I've never shot a crow. Subsonics are, as their name implies, much slower, and so have a more "rainbow"-shaped trajectory. You might need to adjust your sights at those ranges.

You'd have to test them in real-world situations to see if they'd be suitable.

I bought my silencer from Distinction Arms, a Class III dealer in Arizona. (He's since moved out of state.) Call around to different gun shops to see if they are, or know, a Class III dealer.

[haistapillu]

A bolt action could be totally soundless. I mean totally. But then, less fun.

[heypete1]

Well, no suppressed gun is totally soundless. There's always the mechanical parts that move and some sound from the muzzle.

I've been looking at the CZ-452 16" .22LR rifle with a factory-threaded barrel. Bolt-action, absurdly accurate, and suppressor-ready. But alas, I have no money!

[J1MB01]

Is that an air rifle LOL :) nice

[mattspades]

thats pretty sweet,that makes me want to get a 10/22 just for the fact of the silencer,nice vid

[clutz11]

very quit

[Grishauge]

Stupid americans and their guns...

[heypete1]

I beg your pardon. Do you see something somehow unsafe or stupid? I fail to see how a small group of people shooting safely and responsibly in a designated area are somehow stupid.

Indeed, I'd say that by using a suppressor to reduce noise, we're lowering the possibility of damaging our hearing and annoying other people in the desert. Seems smart to me...

[TVFSteve]

Just another jealous foreigner... Probably in a country that only allows criminals to have guns.

Typical.

[skiwasatch]

C'mon now guys, don't take the bait. I'm a gun owner & enthusiast, and it makes some of us look silly when we react to emotional liberal comments...Our fellow gun enthusiasts are all over world, we are not the only ones...And don't worry about the haters...Shoot responsibly & shoot often!

[CjGaughan]

Are you kidding me? Guns are just as much of a hobby as any other.... yeah yeah, Americans have that stereotype but your comment was just retarded.

[BushmasterGuy77]

Wow, talk about Irony.

[EdThaGNumba3]

thats right im a proud american and im gonna cap ur ass because every single stereotype in this world is true!! lol dumbass

[redcat608]

Americans rule, so shut the fuck up ass hole pussy euro trash

[DeimosSaturn]

perfect for killing zombies so they wont mob your fortress.

[junkfodder]

Looks liek someone doesn't remember to count his ammo... tsk tsk.

[hadi111111]

soo.u count them daily

 lamoooooooooooo

[jspla]

dude where can I get one for my 45.  ?

[heypete1]

Your friendly local Class III gun dealer. Ask your local gun shops if they know of any local Class III dealers. Also, look up companies like Gem-Tech and AAC in a search engine and see if they have any dealers in your area.

[jspla]

awesome thanks man!

[krysks04]

bla,bla,bla.... Illegal silencers... cool video! 5 stars!

[heypete1]

Illegal silencers? Where? I don't see any illegal silencers in the video. I've paid my taxes on the silencer and have all the proper paperwork.

[krysks04]

ok, somebody wrote about in comments it,I have read through comments and I know already that your silencer is legal. ;)

[heypete1]

Ok, just making sure. :)

[esahin4]

oh and can u say how much did it cost?? THANK YOU FOR POSTING YOUR VIDEO

[heypete1]

I got the silencer as part of a group buy from a local Class III dealer. As I was a first-time NFA buyer, the dealer waived his normal fees (but I tipped him $50 for his time and knowledge that he shared while walking me through the process). All the fees, including the cost of the silencer, tipping the dealer, the $200 NFA tax, fingerprinting fees, postage, etc. worked out to be about $550 USD in February 2007. Your price may vary.

[esahin4]

hey what type of silencer are you using? the outback2?

[heypete1]

Yes. It's a Gem-Tech Outback II.

[kbilyak04]

Are you guys out towards Lake Pleasant? I lived in Phoenix for a few years and that's where we used to shoot. Off of that road towards the lake.

[heypete1]

Nope. This spot is further east. 33.946130 North Latitude and 111.828390 West Longitude (within about 15 feet). I live in Tucson, and the others in the video live in Chandler or Scottsdale, and have family in Cave Creek, so going to this location is very convenient.

[killaseason0]

where can you buy them besides the internet

[heypete1]

Class III firearms dealers are the only place you can buy them. You can order them online, but they need to be shipped to and transferred by a Class III dealer.

[MVaygen]

arent silencers illegal?

[heypete1]

Not in most states in the United States. It's a common misconception that they are illegal.

[Bob2000system]

Thanks for the video!!

[tenzinpalden]

can silencer be mounted on rem 700 30 06?

[heypete1]

Yes, silencers exist that can mount to Remington 700s (though you need the barrel threaded). My silencer is rated only for use with .22LR ammunition, but there are others made that are rated for .308, .30-06, and even .50 BMG. See gem-tech dot com for one company that makes them.

[BoilingLeadBath]

Not this specific muffler, but cans (suppressors) are available for .308 caliber firearms, and the barrel of your Remington 700 could be threaded to accept them.

[crimsonjew]

I have a ruger 10/22

They dont make much noise in the first place.

Why buy a silencer?

[heypete1]

1. Doesn't annoy other shooters.

2. One doesn't need to wear hearing protection, which is nice when it's really hot here in Arizona.

3. Easier for teaching new shooters, as they can listen to directions a lot more clearly when they don't have earmuffs.

4. Why not?

[buggar4466]

50% less recoil

Less sound pollution

good for shooter confidence

safer

less lead inhaled by shooter

cheap

more accurate second shot

and maybe 20 more reasons...but also..Why not?

[plzwakeup]

luv it! we wanna see more!

[Delphii69]

verry nice, i wish i had a gun

[CrJediKnight]

if you are going to add text to the video, leave it up long enough to read without having to pause the video

[heypete1]

Sorry, the clips were too short to leave it up longer. I realize the text isn't up for long enough; maybe next time I'll take more raw footage. :)

[CrJediKnight]

that's cool.....i enjoyed the video. i'd like to see more

[PhilGroundhog]

Great. Now groundhogs won't hear you shooting!

[armoredpig]

impressive! now if only i could afford that 200 dollar tax stamp... thanks for sharing!

[dmthyperrspace]

Thanks Best video showing the difference so far Do subsonic have decent penetration at all

[heypete1]

You're welcome. You'll note the milkjugs filled with water lying about -- we shot them with .22s and .45 ACP hollowpoints. Both the supersonic and subsonic .22s and the .45 JHPs penetrated about 4-5 milkjugs lined up. Penetration doesn't seem to be an issue, but don't take my word on it -- test it yourself, it's fun! :)

[scorpian2]

can you put that video of you all shooting at milkjugs with 45ACPs

[heypete1]

I don't believe I have a video of any such event. Sure, I did shoot milkjugs with .45s, but I didn't record them.

[scorpian2]

ohh ok thx anyway

[alreadypro]

oooooooooo i want 1 of those remingtons

[heypete1]

The ammo? You can get Remington Subsonic ammo in most stores. The rifle's made by Ruger, and the suppressor by Gem-Tech.

[tehgreatmutato]

BTW, cute gf.

[heypete1]

Thanks. :)

[tehgreatmutato]

Tsuyukomi, LMFA... Yeah, CA, NY, MA, IL, etc. are not truly American. Yep, you live in a libtard state.

For the rest of us (who are actually "free") we get to enjoy such things as this.

[foofighta94]

ur a southpaw

[heypete1]

I am indeed a lefty. Fortunately, all the guns I shoot (mostly semi-auto,) are all reasonably left-friendly. I can shoot left or right handed, but prefer left-handed (even with bolt-action rifles meant for right handed people). Makes life a bit more fun, I say. :)

[Tsuyukomi]

o thats rite. i live in California. I thought we had the same rules as USA

[heypete1]

*laughs* Unfortunately not.

[pystolwhip]

arent supressor illegal?

[heypete1]

Not in most states. They require a $200 transfer tax and a page or two of paperwork, but that's it.

[blanckepi]

Did the manufacturer of your silencer give you any claims regarding the amount of decibel reduction it provides?

[blanckepi]

This is what I don't get about these commercially-made silencers. I feel that they would likely get just as fouled with powder residue and lead fragments as the action and barrel of the weapons that they are fitted for. So why not make one that can be easily stripped and cleaned by the shooter every so often?

[heypete1]

Many commercial silencers are in fact meant to be cleaned, but the Outback II is not. It's made out of aluminum, meaning that by the time it would be necessary to clean it, it's probably worn out (several tens of thousands of rounds) and need to be sent back to the factory to be repaired/replaced. Many centerfire ones are able to be disassembled.

[heypete1]

Also, they don't seem to foul up as quickly as the barrel -- gasses in them are not under the same pressure as the barrel (that's their purpose), and no bullet is rubbing lead off on them. If one does need to clean 'em, just soak 'em in aluminum-safe solvent overnight and shake the stuff out. A blast from a compressed air can (such as one used for cleaning computers) can help too.

[blanckepi]

Is your silencer designed so that you can strip it down, clean the internal components, and reassemble it?

[heypete1]

The Outback II is not meant to be disassembled, but some residue built-up in the silencer enhances its quieting ability. One can clean it by dipping it in solvent, but that's generally not necessary. If it gets *really* bad, you can send it back to Gem-Tech for service.

[blanckepi]

That's nice. I thought you might have bought one of those pricey after market barrels that was threaded already. Aside from the transfer tax, how much did your silencer set you back?

[heypete1]

I have a Butler Creek .920" match barrel that I rather like, and it shoots better than I can (especially with the stock trigger and me operating it), but I didn't want to thread it. My total cost, including the NFA tax, was $550. This included the tax, cost of the silencer (part a group buy, so I got a small discount), dealer fees, and a $50 tip to my dealer for putting up with my dozens of questions over a week or two.

[blanckepi]

What kind of barrel do you have on your 10/22? Did it come with a threaded muzzle, or did you have to have that done?

[heypete1]

It's a 16 1/8th inch long Ruger factory stainless barrel that I had threaded by a gunsmith.

[Jonathanherrod]

hey howd u get that silencer did u have to get a class 3 permit?

[heypete1]

I live in Arizona. Ownership of Title II articles like silencer, machinesguns, etc. is legal, subject to federal paperwork. A "Class III permit" applies only to dealers who wish to sell silencers, machineguns. For us "mere mortals", one files out a single piece of paper and pays a one time $200 transfer tax to the Department of Treasury. The ATF Form 4 serves as proof that you paid the tax and that the item is legally owned.