@BelieveandtrustJesus Are you a Calvinist because that would answer as to why you respond the way you do.
Like I said, in the Old Testament the word hate doesn't have the same meaning, it means to love less. Jesus would be contridicting Himself if God hated some people and yet commands us not to hate because we would be committing murder against that person.
God loved Esau less, NOT HATE as you want to put it.
I like to check with the Hebrew meanings, not American or Western meanings.
@BelieveandtrustJesus Why do you ask if I even believe the Bible? Seems like a hateful question and you don't even know me.
Jesus commands us not to hate anyone because when we do we commit murder in our hearts towards that person. The word hate in the Old Testament means, doesn't love as much, not the hate we Westeners are use too.
For God so love the WORLD, which would be everyone, that HE gave His only begotton son...John 3:16, and God is willing that none should parish.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.2 Peter 3:9
I do read God's Word and God's Word says that God loves all men, but hates evil. Those who commit evil and don't put their faith in Christ already has God's Wrath abiding on them but He still wants them to come to repentance and to Beleive who Jesus is and what He's done for mankind.
The debate is whether God preserved His Holy infallible inherrent Word. If He did, which translation is the right one? The KJB. It comes from a line of manuscripts known not to have been corrupted by the Catholic church. These are the last days my little children, and Satan will do anything to pervert Word, and has. There cannot be 2 bibles yet the same. You say it is imperfect, I say it is/has and always will be The Perfect Word of God in the English language. Deception is rampant. S.O.t.T.
@calvinclemons030 Yes, God has preserved His Word and even though there are a few minor problems with the KJ Version, God's message to mankind has never faltered. The only perfect translation is not translation at all but the original documents. We have copies that are perfect but even with the KJ Version, the mistakes are minor and means nothing. The only real problem is where the King James Translators added some verses that are not to be found in any other documents.
@carpentersdaughter2 We do not have the original docs, as far as I know.All we have are copies of copies of copies. The originals were worn out long ago.Can you tell me what verses were added to the KJB, because I'm unaware of any such adding to the scriptures by the translators who were working from copies.Also, were there corrupt manuscripts originating from Alexandria Egypt during the time of the Apostles,as stated in 2Cor 2:17? If Gods' Word isn't pure, how can we trust any translation? GBU
@calvinclemons030 If you go back and reread I never said we had the originals. I SAID the Originals were the only ones that were perfect, THEN I went on to say that we had copies that are perfect. The King James Version has a few problems but not the kind of problems that takes away from the word of God. The only thing I have issue is with several verses being added in Mark.
Now, we can trust the old copies we have because we have a perfect God who will make sure we get what we need.
@carpentersdaughter2Dear sister In Christ,I do not want you to take offense, that is not my intention.In your 1rst post u said "The only perfect translation is not translation at all but the original documents."I took this to mean "the original documents" after much research,I've found the 1610 Douay Reams Catholic trans. to have these same verses.As well as every other version available,although these differ in wording which can change context.Are all these trans. the same?I don't know. Do u?
@calvinclemons030 I'm sorry that I came across so harshly..I've been constantly attacked for the last six months, and now everything seems like an attack.
Anyway, not all translations are the same. There are some very bad ones out there that need to be burned, not read. The JW bible, the Joseph Smith Bible, are two right off the top that are really bad. Anytime a translation takes away the diety of Jesus Christ, that translation needs to taken away.
@carpentersdaughter2 That's quite alright, and it seems I'm constantly attacked as well for standing fast as a KJBible believing born again child of The Most High God,Our Lord Jesus Christ. I agree that there are SOME who call themselves KJV onlyIST who are hateful and take things way too far.This gives the true body of Christ which are KJBible believers a bad name, and MOST others lump and label us as ALL being that way, so I know exactly how u feel. God Bless You, and Thanks for your Kindness.
@TheKJVberean Why don't you just reread what you wrote and you will see this kind of belittling and accusations of not being able to understand is the wrong way to approach the topic of this video.
@TheKJVberean The topic of this video and I say this in the video is about some who get so nasty and ugly about those who don't use the KJV Bible. I have seen horrible things done by some who use the KJV with shere ugliness, unchristlike behavior. I am pleading for these people to rexamine their behavior. What do I get in exchange, I get accused of things that are not true such as your accusations.
There are minor flaws in the KJV, but these flaws are so minor that it doesn't make..
any bit of difference. The content is true and pure to the oldest manuscripts we have available to us. But still there are some minor errors. I don't care to read King James language. No one speaks like this anymore, and there's no good reason to continue to speak in the form of King james English.
What you are doing is exactly what I speak against in my video. You accuse me of not understanding the language, and I've never said that.
Yet you aren't very nice to me because I don't want to read in the King James translation. I do have a KJV, and I read and study with the NKJV.
So please the next time you want to belittle someone for asking some KJ-onlyiers to show Christ's love and not Satans rage, think what the person is saying in the video.
There is a group of KJ-onlyiers who show nothing but contempt for very minor reasons. To ask some of these folks to think before raging isn't asking too much.
Only recently a KJVO told me that if I didn't read the KJV, I wasn't saved. Right then and there my willingness to give time trying to talk sense with KJVO's disappeared. Enough is enough. These people are dissemblers who cause nothing but strife and divisions within the Church. I say this with grave seriousness: If you find such people in your Church, show them the door. Their behavior is that serious.
@Keruaran These people are under the false gospel of works, not of grace, and their rotten fruit proves it all too well. Such people need to be exhorted and rebuked, and if they don't take to the word of God, then they need to be removed from the body of Christ until they repent. That's Biblical.
What I am about to say is not meant to be inflamatory or offensive, but a critique about the behavior of KJV Onlyists aka KJVOs. Sadly, the KJVOs have proven themselves to be militant and offensive when dealing with anyone who doesn't agree with their theology and shows actual errors within the KJV. Their behavior reflects a cult, where if you don't adhere to their authority, you are not of the eternal Creator or the Messiah. KJVOs have consistently violated even the commands of the Messiah.
You're the hater, you're supporting new divisions in the church that wouldn't be there if people didn't keep tampering with the Bible just to make money.
@usenetposts Just show me one frame in this video where I support other translations? You are the false accuser here because there is not ONE frame in this video that supports another translation. Shame on you.
You need to not only repent to God for this false accusation, but you really need to make it right by me. I am totally offeneded of this false accusation!!!!!
@usenetposts I use the KJV, and I don't use other translations for toilet paper or clearning my walls, or using in a bird cage..the kind of language I've seen on videos and from comments from KJOnliers, are full of hate, not the love of Jesus.
Now again, you falsely accuse me of playing the innocent victim..what's with that? I have NEVER played the victim here but only ask those who call themselves Believers to act like it..nothing victim like in that..
@carpentersdaughter2 Why don't you call the video SOME KJV only people? The way you have phrased it, it sounds like you are blackening all KJV people. Now I'm sorry if I misjudged you, and some of your other videos are really good. I don't want to offend you, but the title, which seems to say that all KJV people are hateful really offends me.
@usenetposts You know that should've been your first question, rather then saying I'm the one that hates and that other stuff. It's always good to stop and pray for before making a comment that puts you in sin. This could've been avoided had you only taken time out to think about this and maybe even talked to me first. But your quick judgement and false accusations just made it bad for the both of us.
Hey, wake up! we hate lies and we dont hate people like James "the liar" White. hate does look different. But we rebuke those liars and hypocrites who are destroying many lives and the faith of many people! read Paul how he did act concerning those false teachers. James White is a fool and he doesnt know what he is saying. he is blind and full of himself.
@diewahrheitistnochda I don't know this Paul White and why do you come here slamming this person on my video on haters who hate others Believers because they don't use the KJV.
Do you go out and post this on every persons video? If you have an agenda with this person and you think he is a false teacher, then make your own video, and put down what he teaches and then show from the Bible why this man is a false teacher. Don't come to videos like mine slamming this person.
@apopyalips Yes, one God who manifests Himself in three persons. ."
Isaiah 48:16 "Come near to Me, listen to this: from the first I have not spoken in secret, from the time it took place, I was there, and now Adonai-Yehovah has sent Me and His Spirit." (trinity)
@apopyalips So, God created this human being and said, hey you, you go and die for the sins of the World. Leave me out of it, I don't like to suffer.....
Any God who would create a human being for such a purpose is not a god I want to have anything to do with. The only way sins could be forgiven is if God took off His ropes of glory, came as a man, and rose again.
@apopyalips Then go your way and leave the rest of us alone. If there is even one lie in the Bible then the whole thing can't be trusted.
No, the lies are in your head only and those who think like you. I feel sorry for you because the one requirement for salvation is to believe who Jesus is, He is the great "I AM" and Jesus said you will die in your sins if you refuse to believe it......So, I already know where you are headed and already you have the wrath of God on you.
@apopyalips There was no reason for them to believe that at that time. It wasn't until Jesus came and showed them who God is. If Jesus isn't God, then he was a lunatic and not to be believed. But He made it quite clear who He was at that time.
@apopyalips When God said, let us make man is OUR image, who is the OUR that He is refering too? Don't even try to tell me angels, cause that would be soooooooo wrong. Remember, when Jesus came, He was made a little lower then the angels, which means man is lower then the angels.
If you deny who Jesus is, you will die in your sins, this is from Jesus...and if you look in that vers, the he is italized which means it's not found in the oldest manuscripts. Read John 8:24, then read..continued
@apopyalips No, you are wrong, the Bible was written by fallible men, but were inspired by an infallible God. God made sure that His Words are kept true in translation. Some translations are deliberately set out to deceive the masses, but for the most part, there are excellent translations. The KJV is an excellent translation and the few errors there are, are in grammer, not doctrine.
Remember, it's God who makes sure His Word remains true, and we can find that in several translations.
@apopyalips But doctrine is important, if it wasn't Paul wouldn't have made such a big deal as to tell the Churches to expose the false teachers and prophets AND to kick them out of their church. Having the wrong teaching on Jesus and who God is will determine where one will spend eternity. All cults deny who God is and who Jesus is.
@apopyalips Spirituality means nothing if you have the wrong doctrines. To reject the Triune God is to reject who God is. Many have gone to strange doctrines because they don't understand the Triune God, and since they can't understand it, new doctrines of who God is are put into many cults. Every single cult in the world from t he beginning of the Church denies the Triune God. This is not good company to be with.
If you deny Jesus is God, you are still dead in your sins.
seriuosly, I keep asking these KJVOnlyers to give me a proper exegetical interpretation of Romans 14, and have yet to get a response... I believe God can speak through any translation, and if you choose the KJV than God Bless You, and if you choose the NKJV,NIV,CEV,ESV,NASB,Amp, or even The Message than God Bless You. It is the heart of the law, not the letter, that sanctifies. Have ye not read the scriptures "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." Matt. 23:24 KJV
The Doctrine of Inspiration and Preservation are BIBLE Doctrines. Both of which are backed up by Scripture. These are only preserved in English in the KJV. If the KJV is NOT the Bible preserved in English, then what is? And if none are, then we do not have the Bible today preserved in English. So what do we do now? We either have a PERFECT INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD PRESERVED IN ENGLISH WITHOUT PROVEN ERROR, OR WE DO NOT. If we do not then we are just playing church.
@bobberney I agree that the KJVersion is an exellent translation. What most people don't realize is that new translations have the same documents that KJ translators had, and there are several excellent translations out there in English for people to read and study if they don't like the King Jame English.
@bobberney. Not all people in the world Speak / Understand English, especially the Old English. In fact, English people now don't communicate in the Old dialect. I myself am not a native English speaker and I am ministering to tribes in the Philippines. Philippines is composed of 7,100 islands, with different languages/dialects. many of these tribes can't either understand English nor their national language since what they only know is their own tribal tongue. ...
cont....So then we have to use different translations (not king james) and these people appreciate it much, their lives changed because of the message, and they serve God with love and passion.... Perhaps more than you do. Now, it would be foolish if you let these people use the KJV. It is just like letting the English people conduct worship in Latin.
cont....So stop your arrogance! 'as the old saying goes "Little knowledge is very dangerous." Why don't you use the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek manuscript and see if you understand it. Sometimes we need to rebuke a brother in order for them to see reality. Shalom!
@TheKJVberean I use the New King James English Bible, as I don't like the thees and thows. No one speaks like that today and it's hard to read and understand. While I may use the NKJ Version, it isn't perfect either. The King James Translators used the first seven translation previous to them to get to the verson we have in the KJ,
So if you really want a pure translation then it's best to have the very first Bible translated from Hebrew and Greek,
I am not a KJV Onlyist but Tic Toc "Ministries" is a false ministry and she is of the devil. They reject the Trinity and further believe that God the Father, created the Holy Spirit (Which they believe is female. Then they say that God the Father and the Holy Spirit has physical sexual relations and conceived Jesus, the Son. Then the Holt Spirit wen to dwell in Mary and used her womb as the exit for Jesus to be born a Human. WOW is that Heretical or what?!? Pray for these lost folks! Amen.
i think most of these kjv idiots are imbeciles, but the kjv is the word of God in the English Language...it is the only one that comes from the preserved hebrew masoretic text and the preserved greek textus receptus...the other 264 translations of the English bible all come from the text of Egypt Alexandria corrupted by Origin and the catholic church and the illuminati...God is not the Author of Confusion...he promised to preserve his WORD and it says that every word of God is Pure...KJV ONLY!
@ReinaValera1865 I agree with you that every word of God is pure, but not all translations are pure. Even the KJ has a few problems but it one of the most reliable translations we have. I use it in my studies.
@ReinaValera1865 gee maybe it was those aliens Ruckman was talking about that corrupted the Bible. And also makes you believe that the Masochistic text the KJV translators used was older then the 10th century oh that's right they didn't use it at all another guy translated them and they re translated his translation how silly of me. Gee how did the reformation start since they didnt have the Preserved word of god in the KJV authorized by a homosexual who also practice bestiality
was male it would be a homosexual relationship THIS IS HERETICAL AND BLASPHEME she is viewing spiritual matters with human I absolutely can NOT support her ministry If she believes these things she is making God out to be three separate Gods that is NOT Biblical they are ONE
Okay I'm not waiting a debate about KJV Bibles BUT I myself did unsub to tic toc ministries why? When you state that the Holy Spirit is a female you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. For one He is Spirit for another He is God's Spirit who is referred to as HE why was man the first creation of mankind? He was created in God's image for this reason the man is the head (earthly speaking) and his role is to protect provide and lead She claims Jesus was born of these TWO that if the Holy Spirit CONT..
KJV is just another translation according to the traditions of men. i used to be a kjv onlyist but i realise it is just a man made translation, not absolute truth. i use the hebrew and greek texts of the textus receptus instead. the KJV has had thousands of corrections since 1611. its not the same as it was
@ukatam The corrections in the KJ are very minor and don't take away from God's Word. IT's still inspired because God is behind those translations that keep to the oldest documents we have. to degrade this translation because of minor errors wouldn't be wise.
The King James Version is not inspired, but most people who believe that the modern versions have satan in them do NOT believe that! We believe that (unfortunately) it is the only version that didn't use manuscripts CORRUPTED by those viscious unsaved devil worshippers Wescott and Hort. The english of the King James is not inspired but the original language manuscripts used by the modern versions were POISONED by those two Satans- wescott and Hort!
I'm sorry, but this video is full of the same lies and false accusations that have been answered over and over, yet this person either doesn't care, and so is in sin, or doesn't know, and is therefore ignorant. This foolishness gets old. Here is God's attitude:
Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
@Providential1611 So asking those who are haters and show anrgy and hate to other christians is unbiblical and full of lies.
Now that you have accused me of lies, would you please be so kind as to where I lied. Now let me remind you what a lie is...a lie is knowing the truth and yet saying something different.
@carpentersdaughter2 Asking those you ACCUSE as "haters" whatever your question might be is quite insulting. As for watching your video...your statements and accusations are all the standard nonsense hurled our way. Nothing original. These things have all been answered IN GREAT DETAIL in dozens of books over the last 50 years. Your problem is you are UNAWARE OF THIS so you ignorantly put forward points that are not only already answered, but invalid as well. It gets old dealing with it.
@Providential1611 What I need to know is if you are willing to read and study. Because I can direct you to books so you can know our side--why we believe what we do, from our own mouths, rather than repeating the lies from our critics. A great book written in a kind spirit is GIPP'S UNDERSTANDABLE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE. That book covers the whole field in a very easy to read format, but its full of detail. I would love to hear your opinion after PRAYERFULLY reading it.
@Providential1611 You want me to read and study something that is not the KJ Bible? How ironic. How can I know they are translated correctly?
I don't repeat anything from anyone. I say what I see, and apparently you fall under this catagory of extreme anger when it come to asking love to be shown while talking with others on what you believe.
Hostility and anger seems to spew out like honey from bee, it comes natural and you don't care how much anger you show in hostility.
@carpentersdaughter2 First, there is no hostily and anger. You say that, and if it is false, and it is, then you are making false accusations. Second, I told you to read a very educational book because it is clear that you need to read it. Your video is chock full of errors and false accusations. Now, if you want to continue to be ignorant and bear false witness, go right ahead, but don't whine when you are rebuked.
@Providential1611 It may get old to you but as long as hostile behavior towards those who do not use the KJV, is not being in Christ. IT's dealing with it in the flesh.
Now I know many who will only use the KJV and are loving and not being hateful. I watched videos where a men and women are cleaning their toilets with or other real nasty things.
No matter what, for the most part, the words of God are being used to clean toilets.
I am only asking those who practice such things to stop. Why is this so wrong? Am I asking you to stop reading the KJ? Am I asking you to accept all translations? NO, I am not.
The few who spew out such hate is wrong.
Your attitude towards me is so repulsive. Rather then try to talk with this to me, you come in with both guns ready to shoot me down and stomp on my blood.
@carpentersdaughter2 Your response is shrill, over the top, and an utter exaggeration. Give me a break with this bombastic nonsense. Talks sensibly, if you can.
@Providential1611 It's really too bad that all you know is to twist what is said and then try to turn it around on me. I have left your comments up so everyone can see just how you act and respond.
@Providential1611 What right do you have to add ot the original manuscriptus, after all, what right does the KJ verson translators have the right to add to the originals?
If you want to be a purist, get the original manuscripts, and throw away the King James, the volgate, thr Geneva, and the list goes on. The KJ translators relied on many translations in order to get the KJ version translated. How many did the KJ translators use? 12 before the oldest manuscripts that we have.
@carpentersdaughter2 "Add to " the manuscripts? The KJV translators did not "add" to anything, they TRANSLATED what the Greek and Hebrew said. And besides, NO ONE can get the "original manuscipts" since they DON'T EXIST.
@Providential1611 The KJ Translators used 12 copies of previous translations to get what they have today. Just go study this and you will see. It's not a secret.
@carpentersdaughter2 The translators used ALL AVAILABLE EVIDENCE, unlike the modern version translators, who rely of a minority text that is utterly corrupt.
Again, you do know that the original manuscripts DON'T EXIST, right?
I was saved with the NIV. The Holy Spirit led me through the misunderstanding that people have with this translation claiming "Lucifer is the Morning Star and so is Jesus".
Read a little closer folks and understand. Stars are symbolic of angelic beings and the "Morning Star" was a title in Heaven. Lucifer lost his title as a "Morning Star" when he fell from Heaven and Jesus is the "BRIGHT Morning Star" a different title as it is elevated ABOVE a Morning Star. Lucifer WAS a Morning Star.
I want as you do I'm sure to speak the ''Truth in Love'' nothing more or less,we must try to be as meticulas as possible in how we handle the word of God we are all on the same journey and need each other . I have no axe to grind with anyone neither do i seek to score points in some sort of utube game,these things are far to important ignore if we care about the church and the lost. God Bless Rich.
No I'm a simple Christian believer who wants to follow Jesus by walking in his Truth,I'm Just so sad and alarmed that the Church by and large seems to be falling away from the word of God which is are only means ( with the Holy spirits help) of walking the narrow way that leads to life,i think it's spiritual cowardice not to try and warn each other when we are in danger of error which will leave us having a form of Godlinness but no power.we need Godly people who rightly divide the word of God.
@kate151269 I had to ask, thank you for that. I do my best to try and warn Believers of the apostasy that is going on with so many movements now. The biggest problem is that some Christians think that will never understand the bible, so they rely on men/pastors/teachers who don't have sound doctrine. They believe these men and women to their own destruction.
I try to get out as much information on these movements as possible.
U say on the Vid that we should be united? But how can 2 walk together unless they be agreed? We are united in THE TRUTH. Adding and Taking away from the word of God is no small matter! it shows disrespect for the auther.In the last days people will believe a lie WHY? because they do not LOVE the TRUTH. What is happening is the Holy spirit is waking many Christians up to the fact that APOSTACY has started in the Church and ONE of the reasons is the many poor Translations. ( I dont hate anyone :)
@kate151269 Of course we won't be united in all things, that's only human, but when it comes to knowing who Jesus is and salvation, we must stand united.
there are some horriffic translations out there and I say don't even open up the pages of these abominations, but that's not the point. I have watched too many videos by so called Christians who were ripping up translations that were good. Because they don't use the King James English doesn't mean it's not inspired by God.
If I say I ran to the garage, and someone translated that to she hurridly went to the garage, the meaning is the same, nothing is lost. There are good translations out there that have not lost the meaning of what God intended.
I agree Apostasy is running rampid today in what we call the church and it must be exposed. The only thing is we need not to show anger like the world does in getting our point across, which is the theme of my video. Disagree with do it in love, not hate.
@carpentersdaughter2 get past the immature utube vids and ask yourself if people like Gail Riplinger are telling the truth? if they are then we need to wake up! Paul in acts wrote that some people were preaching the Gospel with impure motives but he said well least the Gospel (truth) is being told,if these translations are Deliberately dumbing down the essential truths and promoting new age idea's is it suprising there is growing anger among believers. Maybe God is indignant! God Bless Rich.
@kate151269 Please don't misunderstand me, any translation that is bad should not be recommended. I am not endorsing translations that take away from the Word of God's Truth. You seem to be talking to me as if I am defending all translations.
I am saying that if someone disagrees with other translations even though they may be good, it is no good reason to tear up, or use that translation to clean the toilet or use for paper in the bird cage. This is the kind of hate I see from some KJ purist
@carpentersdaughter2 Can i ask without appearing to attack you which translations you believe are Exellent and why? I think i addressed the valid point you made on immature seemingly hate filled vids by stating we need to look beyond them and seek to test the ''Message'' rather than Messenger. I think your point needs to move on to what's being said (albeit crudely by some) otherwise we are in danger of ''straining at nats and swollowing camels''. God Bless Rich.
@kate151269 I like the New King James English Version. It's easier to understand then the old version. I also use the NIV at times. There are arguements against this translation but so far what I've seen hasn't been of any big deal.
The NIV is a translation of what the original means, not a word for word translation. Like I said, if I say I ran to the garage, and someone translates that to she huridly went to the garage, the meaning is still accurate, even though the same word wasn't used.
@carpentersdaughter2 '' What the original means'' not a word for word translation is a very dangerous area to stray into when dealing with Scripture as it will enevitably lead to adding and taking away from the word of God in some way,I would rather have the Holy Spirit tell me what it means rather than leave it to fallible man,Jesus said when the'' comfoter comes he will guide you into all truth he will take that which is mine and make it known to you''. Have you watched Gail Riplingers vids?
@kate151269 I understand what you are saying but so far the NIV has been proven to be a very good translation. The flaws I've heard from others are so minor that it doesn't mean anything.
I started to watch her video a while back but when she started saying things that were so minute that it was just nit picking. But that was a long time ago.
Share with me something major and I might change my mind.
@carpentersdaughter2 Viginia Molent worked on the NIV ( open Lesbian) Edwin Palmer chief editor NIV ''This shows the ERROR that is prevelent today in some orthadox protestant circles,namely that REGENERATION depends on FAITH and in order to be BORN AGAIN one must 1st accept JESUS as SAVIOUR'' err thats not an error that's the Gospel. (part 2 Riplingers vids) Isaiah 14v12 KJV Lucifer fallen son of the morning ,NIV fallen from heaven MORNING STAR son of the dawn, morning star is title of Jesus
@kate151269I'm glad you came to faith brother.God still saves people DESPITE the lack of Clarity Tis called Grace, why mess with a perfectly clear rendition and give a misleading one?this is just one of many prolems with the NIV and other modern translations (which i used for many years before going back to my AV) doesn't it set alarm bells ringing in your ears that one of the people who put it together was a lesbian and it was edited by a man who declared the above statement? God Bless Rich.
The Lord just led me to open the Bible on Job 38 verse 7.
In the KJV, "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"
Clearly there is more than one "morning star". This is also talking about the time before the fall of Lucifer/Satan and "the sons of God who married the daughters of men" of Genesis Chapter 6.
The name of Lucifer may have been dropped but he was a "morning star" - a position in Heaven .
@AMTattersall If only that was the only problem,there are verses completely missing, reference to the blood of Christ removed (40+ times niv 20+ nkj) do you trust a bible that the cheif editor is quoted as saying''This shows the great error today in some orthadox protestant circles that namely regeneration depends on faith and in order to be born again i must 1st except Jesus as Savior'' isn't that the gospel? watch Gail Riplingers vids,if half of what she says is true it's pretty awfull.
@kate151269 Kate and all other KJV only people, I have some challenges for your thinking.
The Name of GOD YHVH (pronounced Yehovah, Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh). There is no "J" or "W" in Hebrew so Jehovah is not quite right, as is Yahweh (although I am sure that GOD does accept these when prayed to). The name of GOD ie YHVH/Yehovah has been replaced about 220 times. Read the 21st Century version of the KJV (KJ21), it has many corrections "where the meanings of words have changed in time"
The next challenge is why the book of Maccabees is removed. It is the book as to why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah and lets us know who Zeus (Roman God Jupiter) really is. Watch my video "Researching the Labyrinth" to learn about Zeus and more and have a read of Maccabees.
The next challenge is to understand the verses in Acts 19:3-6. I ask ALL readers of this to ask themselves how this applies to you.
The absence of this is perhaps the greatest problem in the church today.
@AMTattersall from what i can see it simply shows us after conversion there is a further experience called baptism in the Holy spirit.you didn't answer regarding the Niv and other Translations in common use today do you think they can be trusted when the cheif editor makes such statements or do you think they are ok?another flaw i find with them is they seem impossible to quote where as the kjv seems much more to the point.( I thought Jesus said that we were to ask in HIS name when we pray?)
@kate151269 Dear Kate, thank you for your concerns regarding the truth of the Word. My advice which you seem to have missed in the verses that the Holy Spirit asked me to give you, is to let the Holy Spirit guide you through the Word in the version that He chooses to teach you with. Pray to God and ask Him to show you what He wants you to know in whatever version He chooses for you.
If you have received the Holy Spirit, he will teach you with what is available what He wants you to know.
@AMTattersall Thank you for the spirit in which you reply (in contrast to many on utube) ''When the comforter comes he will guide you into all truth,he will take which is mine and make it known to you'' I'm sure if any man ''Loves'' the Truth then the Lord will not allow him to be decieved.(Regardless of which bible they use)I don't claim to be some sort of scholar but i believe the Spirit has shown me we are in last days apostacy. would'nt it be spiritual cowadice to say nothing? God Bless.
"That is where it is vital to have the Holy Spirit. Those that don’t will believe the false scriptures."
I hope that all who read this will be open minded enough to compare wtih the KJV and orignal texts. Whilst it may be easy to read newer versions and most verses are correct, there are some omissions and changes - deliberate or not that may need to be compared to the original.
GOD Bless and seek the guidance and gifts of the Holy Spirit.
@AMTattersall Hi yes i do pray in tongues I was born again in a traditional pentecostal church and learned quickly (thankfully) in regard to spirit baptism.2 years ago i believe the Holy Spirit did speak to me 1st that God is Indignant if we add or take away from his word,2nd Apostacy HAS started in the church.What are we supposed to do stay silent if we see error?I hope someone will correct me if i'm going off the narrow way.''Mickey Mouse'' versions of the bible are only 1 of many problems.
Your message proves my point. The hate brush that you want to paint everyone with who disagrees with you is getting old, and reveals your immaturity. I simply tried to point out that your labels are silly. I don't hate you. If someone points out my error it doesn't mean they hate me. Using that logic, Jesus would be guilty of hating the scribes, phaisees and money changers, which is silly. I gave you a couple examples to show that you read a perverted "bible" but there are many others.
@gibbitron There you go again, I never said you hated, I said you showed hate, which are two different things. I can see now that you have difficulty in understanding this topic, and that you lack the ability to be civil and decent on this.
@bretlcarpenter He calls other translations perverted..umm, that's not nice and it's said with hate.
Then he takes a scripture out of context and uses it for his own meaning. Unfortunately he deleted some of his comments, and the ones up don't show his hate filled rage.
@carpentersdaughter2 I have called many other (than the KJV) English translations per-versions and I can sure you that I don't hate those who use them or even say that with hatred.
From my perspective it is the other side that is filled with hate as I have been called every name under the sun for believing the KJV Bible.
As far as I can gather from all these debates is that we (the KJV believers) don't like or believe any version but the KJV and you (anti-KJVites) don't believe any version.
@bretlcarpenter One of the reasons why the other side is nasty is because the KJ onliers started this nasty mess. Now I am not saying this is right, I am not. The whole purpose of this video is to have those who are KJ onliers to stop showing such anger and hate. Tearing up a NIV or NAV is wrong, because it is still God's Word.
I am NOT an anti-KJVite..this is soooooooooooo wrong of you. I never, never spoke athing against the KJV, and how dare you to say otherwise.
@bretlcarpenter If you see, I am refering to SOME, NOT ALL....Now look who's getting hateful. I try to explain to you and you twist what I say and make it mean something totally different then what I meant.
Not all translations are good. The Mormon bible which was translated by Joseph Smith make Jesus one god among many gods. The Jehovah's Witness Bible makes Jesus out an angel...so not all translations are good. Anytime a translation takes away the divinity of Jesus, then it's bad.
What's with you anyway? You are doing exactly what I ask others not to do and that is tear down other bibles that are still good. What is wrong with that anyway? Those who turn against me and say things that aren't true get upset when I defend myself.
Are you some kind of God? You seem to know what I know, at least you say you do, but yet, you know nothing about me, and yet you falsely accuse me of horrible things.
@carpentersdaughter2 The title of your post doesn't make that clear. It doesn't say to just the 2 o 3 that have shown hate it appears you are making a blanket statement but not taking responsibility.
You sure like to accuse people of being hateful. I find that very hateful.
So what Bible is the Perfect Infallible Inspired Word of God?
@bretlcarpenter Did you bother to even watch the video? Does everything have to be in the title for you to understand the whole thing?
When people like yourself and showing anger and hate, then yes, I will call them and you out on it. If you don't like it, then stop showing such anger and hate. People usually don't show love when they are angry, and when someone like yourself falsely accuses me of things, then I will call you out on it.
@bretlcarpenter Now you are falsely accusing me again. I ask for a civil dialogue with you and rather then try to make this work, you just keep accusing me of things I don't do.
@bretlcarpenter You see, there you go again. I am defending myself and to you this is not loving. Who says that there has to be heat when talking???? Jesus sure didn't say we had to take the heat when talking to another Believer. Maybe with an unbeliever, but not a believer.
All I've done since you first wrote to me is defend myself and you keep accusing me of wrong doings.
If you want to be in God's will, I say you better make this right with me. I am willing to start over if you are.
@carpentersdaughter2 So your statement of faith is that you believe a Bible that you have never seen, that no longer exists in a language that you cannot read?
How marvelous.
The KJV Bible has been believed in its entirety by many peoples for generations and I should give that up for what you have to offer? I am not buying.
I could almost respect a person if he took his NIV and said "this is my authority" but picking and chosing and pretending to believe a Hebrew/Greek text is pitiful.
@IBelieveMyBible Your friend asked me what is the perfect infallible word, and I told him it's the Hebrew and Greek, these are the perfect words from God. Any translation that comes from these languages has to match pretty closely to these originals.
I have a King James English Bible that I use for study, and I don't condemn the King James Bible either.
I love this translation as it gives me the best accuracy a translation can give. But I also use other translations.
@bretlcarpenter Did you watch the video? CD says some people are rude and hateful in accusing some who do not use the KJV. That is true I have seen it too so why are you being the same way in being rude to CD. Is this the Christian love you learn from the KJV. Try putting your point acress in Christian love.
Oh that's great. Accuse those of us who believe God's Word as haters. I really don't care what you want to call your perverted books, but don't accuse me of hatred if I don't call them Bibles. You need to read what Jesus said about how you should treat those who disagree with you in Matthew 5:44. Oh wait, you can't! God must have left that one out of your "bible". How about the one requirement for baptism in Acts 8:37? I guess God forgot that one too. So sorry.
@gibbitron Wow, either you didn't pay attention to what I said in the video or you just have a hard time understanding what's being said.
While you are yelling at me and FA:LSELY accusing me of something I didn't do, you are showing hate. Then you tell me of leaving something out of the Bible.
You are the perfect example of what my video is about. Hate that's all you seem to spew out of that mouth of yours.
Rather then sharing with me why you disagree with me on my video, you spew anger
Hebrew and Greek trumps english. Typical modern ego to think english is somehow an "inspired" language. Especially since the actual translators of the KJV never considered their translation inspired by a long shot!
your newage subjectivity serpent logic bleeds thru quite well ole slew foot.
WHEW!! Talk about a false prophet and a false doctrine.
Thousands of omissions, contextual shifting, precept twisting, reconstituting of phrases & teminologies etc etc etc fron the NIV NASB manuals. What was that about "translations doesnt matter? What a death trap this videl is.
@zobcity01 I NEVER said translation doesn't matter, didn't even come close to that because I know that translation does matter, but what does matter is the attitude that you display, just like the other KJelistist show.
There are good and bad translations, and the KJV is one of many good translations, but it's not without fault too.
So please, don't falsely accuse me of something I never said.
@zobcity01 ENOUGH!! I've seen more than enough false accusations, name calling and wicked innuendo from KJVonlyists!! Your darkened heart is full of the spitefulness and religious pride of a pharisee! You need to REPENT! Get on your knees and ask the Lord for forgive you. Then you need to apologize for making false accusations against a sister in Christ.
I am a KJV onlyer, but it is extremely wrong for them to harass another brother or sister about there non-use of the KJV. It is was more wrong for the one who ripped up the non-KJV bible to do that..... that is embarrassing on my part.... I do use my NKJV and NRSV for reference, but not as my foundation of doctrine and I only use the KJV when I preach, but that was wrong.....
@rb300dx I only wish they could see the hate they exzood. I do understand anyone who wants God's Word to remain pure, but some of the arguements are over things that have no bearing on anything.
It's shameful in the acts of some of these people, because no matter what, it's still God's Word, and who wants to clean a toilet with a Bible page...that is just sick and discusting and full of hate.
@rb300dx ''Well it is simple the devil changed the word in the beginning, and he still dose today, anyone who thinks he is not, is deceived. it is not hate to tell the facts. just as it is a fact that killing is wrong and sinful. Should the one who kills say i hate him because i told him he was sinning and wrong?
@tocstie Yes, the devil is still deceiving and will do that until he is thrown into the lake of fire. but tearing up other versions, especially those that are good, is just plain wrong. Showing this kind of anger and hate only reminds me of Westborrow Church. Those people are so deceived it;s not funny, but yet they believe they are doing God's bidding. Those who tear up other translations that are good are NOT doing God's bidding, but Satans foolisness.
@tocstie It is still a debate of ignorance. If you would do an HONEST UNBIASED research on the history of the bible and it's subsequent translation into the English language, the TRUE FACTS render the fallacy of one version "Onlyism". "Most", modern versions hold the same tenents of scripture, rendered in the more appropriate modern vanacular. So to debate this issue is utterly ridiculous, and a true waste of a "real" Christian's God given time to minister to the lost, which is of utmost importa
NIV has over 6,500 word changes, additions, or subtractions from the KJV and greek and hebrew texts. I know this from a WORD FOR WORD study. Gods word is not corrupt (Psalms 12:6-7, 1 Peter 1:23), but when something messes up Gods word, how can you say its ok?
We wish no hate, but its weird to ignore extreme changes and deletions, wouldn't you agree? That is what it is all about, not changing Gods word. SInce modern Bibles do that in excess we don't like them. Make sense?
@joelpatton12 If I said, I ran to the garage, and someone said, I hastily made my way to the garage, there would be no loss in the interperation of what was said. I do understand where you are coming from. There are translations that are horrible and take away much from God's Word.
I am not saying it'sokay for a bad translation, and that's not even the point of my video, the point is, I see hate from those who call themselves Christians, and this is wrong.
@carpentersdaughter2 but if you understand what the bible is saying then why change it? like something in the bible are plain and dont need to be changed but they are and somethings you have to re-read multiple times to understand what its saying...the problem with different translations is that its the opinion of the ppl who decided on that meaning of the verse, passage etc. and they are wrong sometimes thats why I myself stick to the KJV.
@dboydustin A translation is just that, a translation...it means that no one has put their meaning into it...it's when you get into paraphrases where you get someone's opinion. There are bad translations out there especially from cults such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. there is the English Bible. Any bible that denies Jesus is God, then you have a bad translation, but for the most part, we have some very good translations other then the KJV.
@carpentersdaughter2 I think you're both missing the point. The issue isn't translation. It's text. From which text are other manuscripts coming from? The historical and verifiable evidence is clear. The Alexandrian texts are corrupted, containing heresies relating to Arianism, Gnosticism, and the like. EVERY version other than KJV and NKJV come from these sources. It's not about translation. You can translate swear words accurately into Spanish and German, but what are you translating?
@trueedge2097 Are you saying that the KJV is the only version we can trust? If that is what you are saying then I totally disagree with you on that. There are some very good translations out there, and besides, the KJV has some problems too, like extra verses put in, in Mark, where there wasn't anything in previous translations that the KJV went from. We can't make a god out of a translation. I understand wanting to have the best, but we have to be very careful there too.
@carpentersdaughter2 Okay, you need to be careful with responses like this. This is a classic straw man argument. I didn't say any of that. Now, I can indeed answer ALL of what you just said about the KJV. It isn't difficult. The extra verses in Mark were not included in previous TR translations for a reason (and it was wrong). Again, I muss stress. Translation ISN'T the issue. TEXT is the issue. If you translate a cuss word, it doesn't matter how good your translation is. You're still cussing.
@trueedge2097 Okay, then you imply these things. that's why I respond the way I do, so please, don't go giving me a lecture on being careful with my responses. YOu must make sure that what you say doesn't impy something else, so I say to you, be careful in what you say, so others can respond in the correct manner.
I understand text is at issue here too, but we are talking about translations first and foremost.
BUT, this video is about showing love not hate, so stick to the topic, please.
@carpentersdaughter2 Even if I did intend to imply it, you still can't respond that way unless you can verify that I said it. Sorry. It's still wrong. Deal with what someone actually says. I can do it.
Until you realize that arguing translation is moot, you're not going to understand why KJVO folks feel the way they do. Do they come across wrongly? Yes, of course. But that doesn't make the idea irrelevant. But the issue is text first and foremost. You're wasting your time arguing translation.
@carpentersdaughter2 Again, I say to you. You're still cussing. Translation isn't the issue. It doesn't matter how many of them there are or what the topic you want to start on is. If you're going to argue this truthfully, you must go back to the source. If the NAS, NIV, and most of the others out there come from corrupted sources, it doesn't matter how good the translation was.
@dboydustin yea that's what I know. I understand that but I do disagree with you some of the other translation of the bible change the meaning of scripture which in turn will change the way you(not you exactly)that you understand the scripture and that would lead you to believe something that is not true. so I say be careful. consult God about it and see what he says, as we all agree(or I hope we do) that his opinion is the best opinion(and the right one lol)
@BelieveandtrustJesus Are you a Calvinist because that would answer as to why you respond the way you do.
Like I said, in the Old Testament the word hate doesn't have the same meaning, it means to love less. Jesus would be contridicting Himself if God hated some people and yet commands us not to hate because we would be committing murder against that person.
God loved Esau less, NOT HATE as you want to put it.
I like to check with the Hebrew meanings, not American or Western meanings.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus Why do you ask if I even believe the Bible? Seems like a hateful question and you don't even know me.
Jesus commands us not to hate anyone because when we do we commit murder in our hearts towards that person. The word hate in the Old Testament means, doesn't love as much, not the hate we Westeners are use too.
For God so love the WORLD, which would be everyone, that HE gave His only begotton son...John 3:16, and God is willing that none should parish.
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carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
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The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.2 Peter 3:9
I do read God's Word and God's Word says that God loves all men, but hates evil. Those who commit evil and don't put their faith in Christ already has God's Wrath abiding on them but He still wants them to come to repentance and to Beleive who Jesus is and what He's done for mankind.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus Oh, that's good.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus We are only to hate the evil, not the person. Jesus when He was on this earth spent His time with the lowest of sinners.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
The debate is whether God preserved His Holy infallible inherrent Word. If He did, which translation is the right one? The KJB. It comes from a line of manuscripts known not to have been corrupted by the Catholic church. These are the last days my little children, and Satan will do anything to pervert Word, and has. There cannot be 2 bibles yet the same. You say it is imperfect, I say it is/has and always will be The Perfect Word of God in the English language. Deception is rampant. S.O.t.T.
calvinclemons030 3 months ago in playlist More videos from carpentersdaughter2
@calvinclemons030 Yes, God has preserved His Word and even though there are a few minor problems with the KJ Version, God's message to mankind has never faltered. The only perfect translation is not translation at all but the original documents. We have copies that are perfect but even with the KJ Version, the mistakes are minor and means nothing. The only real problem is where the King James Translators added some verses that are not to be found in any other documents.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 We do not have the original docs, as far as I know.All we have are copies of copies of copies. The originals were worn out long ago.Can you tell me what verses were added to the KJB, because I'm unaware of any such adding to the scriptures by the translators who were working from copies.Also, were there corrupt manuscripts originating from Alexandria Egypt during the time of the Apostles,as stated in 2Cor 2:17? If Gods' Word isn't pure, how can we trust any translation? GBU
calvinclemons030 3 months ago
@calvinclemons030 If you go back and reread I never said we had the originals. I SAID the Originals were the only ones that were perfect, THEN I went on to say that we had copies that are perfect. The King James Version has a few problems but not the kind of problems that takes away from the word of God. The only thing I have issue is with several verses being added in Mark.
Now, we can trust the old copies we have because we have a perfect God who will make sure we get what we need.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2Dear sister In Christ,I do not want you to take offense, that is not my intention.In your 1rst post u said "The only perfect translation is not translation at all but the original documents."I took this to mean "the original documents" after much research,I've found the 1610 Douay Reams Catholic trans. to have these same verses.As well as every other version available,although these differ in wording which can change context.Are all these trans. the same?I don't know. Do u?
calvinclemons030 3 months ago
@calvinclemons030 I'm sorry that I came across so harshly..I've been constantly attacked for the last six months, and now everything seems like an attack.
Anyway, not all translations are the same. There are some very bad ones out there that need to be burned, not read. The JW bible, the Joseph Smith Bible, are two right off the top that are really bad. Anytime a translation takes away the diety of Jesus Christ, that translation needs to taken away.
carpentersdaughter2 3 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 That's quite alright, and it seems I'm constantly attacked as well for standing fast as a KJBible believing born again child of The Most High God,Our Lord Jesus Christ. I agree that there are SOME who call themselves KJV onlyIST who are hateful and take things way too far.This gives the true body of Christ which are KJBible believers a bad name, and MOST others lump and label us as ALL being that way, so I know exactly how u feel. God Bless You, and Thanks for your Kindness.
calvinclemons030 3 months ago
@TheKJVberean Why don't you just reread what you wrote and you will see this kind of belittling and accusations of not being able to understand is the wrong way to approach the topic of this video.
carpentersdaughter2 4 months ago
@TheKJVberean The topic of this video and I say this in the video is about some who get so nasty and ugly about those who don't use the KJV Bible. I have seen horrible things done by some who use the KJV with shere ugliness, unchristlike behavior. I am pleading for these people to rexamine their behavior. What do I get in exchange, I get accused of things that are not true such as your accusations.
There are minor flaws in the KJV, but these flaws are so minor that it doesn't make..
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carpentersdaughter2 4 months ago
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any bit of difference. The content is true and pure to the oldest manuscripts we have available to us. But still there are some minor errors. I don't care to read King James language. No one speaks like this anymore, and there's no good reason to continue to speak in the form of King james English.
What you are doing is exactly what I speak against in my video. You accuse me of not understanding the language, and I've never said that.
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carpentersdaughter2 4 months ago
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Yet you aren't very nice to me because I don't want to read in the King James translation. I do have a KJV, and I read and study with the NKJV.
So please the next time you want to belittle someone for asking some KJ-onlyiers to show Christ's love and not Satans rage, think what the person is saying in the video.
There is a group of KJ-onlyiers who show nothing but contempt for very minor reasons. To ask some of these folks to think before raging isn't asking too much.
carpentersdaughter2 4 months ago
Only recently a KJVO told me that if I didn't read the KJV, I wasn't saved. Right then and there my willingness to give time trying to talk sense with KJVO's disappeared. Enough is enough. These people are dissemblers who cause nothing but strife and divisions within the Church. I say this with grave seriousness: If you find such people in your Church, show them the door. Their behavior is that serious.
Keruaran 7 months ago
@Keruaran These people are under the false gospel of works, not of grace, and their rotten fruit proves it all too well. Such people need to be exhorted and rebuked, and if they don't take to the word of God, then they need to be removed from the body of Christ until they repent. That's Biblical.
God bless
carpentersdaughter2 7 months ago
What I am about to say is not meant to be inflamatory or offensive, but a critique about the behavior of KJV Onlyists aka KJVOs. Sadly, the KJVOs have proven themselves to be militant and offensive when dealing with anyone who doesn't agree with their theology and shows actual errors within the KJV. Their behavior reflects a cult, where if you don't adhere to their authority, you are not of the eternal Creator or the Messiah. KJVOs have consistently violated even the commands of the Messiah.
davegooley 7 months ago
@davegooley I totally agree with what you say, but unfortunately, some who hold this postion will more then likey be offended.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 7 months ago
You're the hater, you're supporting new divisions in the church that wouldn't be there if people didn't keep tampering with the Bible just to make money.
usenetposts 9 months ago
@usenetposts Just show me one frame in this video where I support other translations? You are the false accuser here because there is not ONE frame in this video that supports another translation. Shame on you.
You need to not only repent to God for this false accusation, but you really need to make it right by me. I am totally offeneded of this false accusation!!!!!
carpentersdaughter2 9 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 OK, sorry. Maybe I was wrong. But KJV readers aren't full of hate, it's not fair to say that and then play the innocent victim.
usenetposts 9 months ago
@usenetposts I use the KJV, and I don't use other translations for toilet paper or clearning my walls, or using in a bird cage..the kind of language I've seen on videos and from comments from KJOnliers, are full of hate, not the love of Jesus.
Now again, you falsely accuse me of playing the innocent victim..what's with that? I have NEVER played the victim here but only ask those who call themselves Believers to act like it..nothing victim like in that..
sad.
carpentersdaughter2 9 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Why don't you call the video SOME KJV only people? The way you have phrased it, it sounds like you are blackening all KJV people. Now I'm sorry if I misjudged you, and some of your other videos are really good. I don't want to offend you, but the title, which seems to say that all KJV people are hateful really offends me.
usenetposts 9 months ago
@usenetposts You know that should've been your first question, rather then saying I'm the one that hates and that other stuff. It's always good to stop and pray for before making a comment that puts you in sin. This could've been avoided had you only taken time out to think about this and maybe even talked to me first. But your quick judgement and false accusations just made it bad for the both of us.
I made the changes, thank you.
carpentersdaughter2 9 months ago
@carpentersdaughter2 OK, you are right. Sorry.
usenetposts 9 months ago
@usenetposts Thank you....God bless :)
carpentersdaughter2 8 months ago
Hey, wake up! we hate lies and we dont hate people like James "the liar" White. hate does look different. But we rebuke those liars and hypocrites who are destroying many lives and the faith of many people! read Paul how he did act concerning those false teachers. James White is a fool and he doesnt know what he is saying. he is blind and full of himself.
diewahrheitistnochda 10 months ago
@diewahrheitistnochda I don't know this Paul White and why do you come here slamming this person on my video on haters who hate others Believers because they don't use the KJV.
Do you go out and post this on every persons video? If you have an agenda with this person and you think he is a false teacher, then make your own video, and put down what he teaches and then show from the Bible why this man is a false teacher. Don't come to videos like mine slamming this person.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips Yes, one God who manifests Himself in three persons. ."
Isaiah 48:16 "Come near to Me, listen to this: from the first I have not spoken in secret, from the time it took place, I was there, and now Adonai-Yehovah has sent Me and His Spirit." (trinity)
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips So, God created this human being and said, hey you, you go and die for the sins of the World. Leave me out of it, I don't like to suffer.....
Any God who would create a human being for such a purpose is not a god I want to have anything to do with. The only way sins could be forgiven is if God took off His ropes of glory, came as a man, and rose again.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips Then go your way and leave the rest of us alone. If there is even one lie in the Bible then the whole thing can't be trusted.
No, the lies are in your head only and those who think like you. I feel sorry for you because the one requirement for salvation is to believe who Jesus is, He is the great "I AM" and Jesus said you will die in your sins if you refuse to believe it......So, I already know where you are headed and already you have the wrath of God on you.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips There was no reason for them to believe that at that time. It wasn't until Jesus came and showed them who God is. If Jesus isn't God, then he was a lunatic and not to be believed. But He made it quite clear who He was at that time.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips Eternal Image, not physical image.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips When God said, let us make man is OUR image, who is the OUR that He is refering too? Don't even try to tell me angels, cause that would be soooooooo wrong. Remember, when Jesus came, He was made a little lower then the angels, which means man is lower then the angels.
If you deny who Jesus is, you will die in your sins, this is from Jesus...and if you look in that vers, the he is italized which means it's not found in the oldest manuscripts. Read John 8:24, then read..continued
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
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(Exodus 3:14)
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM' has sent me to you. "
Hear what Jesus says about Himself to John:
Revelation 1:8)
I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
(Isaiah 44:6)
"This is what the Lord says - Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."
Jesus is God!!!
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips I don't know what a calked cult member is, can you tell me what this is?
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips No, you are wrong, the Bible was written by fallible men, but were inspired by an infallible God. God made sure that His Words are kept true in translation. Some translations are deliberately set out to deceive the masses, but for the most part, there are excellent translations. The KJV is an excellent translation and the few errors there are, are in grammer, not doctrine.
Remember, it's God who makes sure His Word remains true, and we can find that in several translations.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips But doctrine is important, if it wasn't Paul wouldn't have made such a big deal as to tell the Churches to expose the false teachers and prophets AND to kick them out of their church. Having the wrong teaching on Jesus and who God is will determine where one will spend eternity. All cults deny who God is and who Jesus is.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
@apopyalips Spirituality means nothing if you have the wrong doctrines. To reject the Triune God is to reject who God is. Many have gone to strange doctrines because they don't understand the Triune God, and since they can't understand it, new doctrines of who God is are put into many cults. Every single cult in the world from t he beginning of the Church denies the Triune God. This is not good company to be with.
If you deny Jesus is God, you are still dead in your sins.
carpentersdaughter2 10 months ago
Amen brother, let us love one another!
The Heart of God communicated through different translations not only in the old english version!!!
atpeacewithGod1 11 months ago
@atpeacewithGod1 Thank you for your kind and supporting comment.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 11 months ago
seriuosly, I keep asking these KJVOnlyers to give me a proper exegetical interpretation of Romans 14, and have yet to get a response... I believe God can speak through any translation, and if you choose the KJV than God Bless You, and if you choose the NKJV,NIV,CEV,ESV,NASB,Amp, or even The Message than God Bless You. It is the heart of the law, not the letter, that sanctifies. Have ye not read the scriptures "Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." Matt. 23:24 KJV
2010ksaul 1 year ago
The Doctrine of Inspiration and Preservation are BIBLE Doctrines. Both of which are backed up by Scripture. These are only preserved in English in the KJV. If the KJV is NOT the Bible preserved in English, then what is? And if none are, then we do not have the Bible today preserved in English. So what do we do now? We either have a PERFECT INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD PRESERVED IN ENGLISH WITHOUT PROVEN ERROR, OR WE DO NOT. If we do not then we are just playing church.
bobberney 1 year ago
@bobberney I agree that the KJVersion is an exellent translation. What most people don't realize is that new translations have the same documents that KJ translators had, and there are several excellent translations out there in English for people to read and study if they don't like the King Jame English.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@bobberney. Not all people in the world Speak / Understand English, especially the Old English. In fact, English people now don't communicate in the Old dialect. I myself am not a native English speaker and I am ministering to tribes in the Philippines. Philippines is composed of 7,100 islands, with different languages/dialects. many of these tribes can't either understand English nor their national language since what they only know is their own tribal tongue. ...
dministro 1 year ago
cont....So then we have to use different translations (not king james) and these people appreciate it much, their lives changed because of the message, and they serve God with love and passion.... Perhaps more than you do. Now, it would be foolish if you let these people use the KJV. It is just like letting the English people conduct worship in Latin.
dministro 1 year ago
cont....So stop your arrogance! 'as the old saying goes "Little knowledge is very dangerous." Why don't you use the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek manuscript and see if you understand it. Sometimes we need to rebuke a brother in order for them to see reality. Shalom!
dministro 1 year ago
@TheKJVberean I use the New King James English Bible, as I don't like the thees and thows. No one speaks like that today and it's hard to read and understand. While I may use the NKJ Version, it isn't perfect either. The King James Translators used the first seven translation previous to them to get to the verson we have in the KJ,
So if you really want a pure translation then it's best to have the very first Bible translated from Hebrew and Greek,
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
I am not a KJV Onlyist but Tic Toc "Ministries" is a false ministry and she is of the devil. They reject the Trinity and further believe that God the Father, created the Holy Spirit (Which they believe is female. Then they say that God the Father and the Holy Spirit has physical sexual relations and conceived Jesus, the Son. Then the Holt Spirit wen to dwell in Mary and used her womb as the exit for Jesus to be born a Human. WOW is that Heretical or what?!? Pray for these lost folks! Amen.
OneFaithMinistries 1 year ago
@OneFaithMinistries Yes, I know this of her. We need to pray for her that she will get to know the truth.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
i think most of these kjv idiots are imbeciles, but the kjv is the word of God in the English Language...it is the only one that comes from the preserved hebrew masoretic text and the preserved greek textus receptus...the other 264 translations of the English bible all come from the text of Egypt Alexandria corrupted by Origin and the catholic church and the illuminati...God is not the Author of Confusion...he promised to preserve his WORD and it says that every word of God is Pure...KJV ONLY!
ReinaValera1865 1 year ago
@ReinaValera1865 I agree with you that every word of God is pure, but not all translations are pure. Even the KJ has a few problems but it one of the most reliable translations we have. I use it in my studies.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@ReinaValera1865 gee maybe it was those aliens Ruckman was talking about that corrupted the Bible. And also makes you believe that the Masochistic text the KJV translators used was older then the 10th century oh that's right they didn't use it at all another guy translated them and they re translated his translation how silly of me. Gee how did the reformation start since they didnt have the Preserved word of god in the KJV authorized by a homosexual who also practice bestiality
martlut 1 year ago
was male it would be a homosexual relationship THIS IS HERETICAL AND BLASPHEME she is viewing spiritual matters with human I absolutely can NOT support her ministry If she believes these things she is making God out to be three separate Gods that is NOT Biblical they are ONE
evewale 1 year ago
Okay I'm not waiting a debate about KJV Bibles BUT I myself did unsub to tic toc ministries why? When you state that the Holy Spirit is a female you are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. For one He is Spirit for another He is God's Spirit who is referred to as HE why was man the first creation of mankind? He was created in God's image for this reason the man is the head (earthly speaking) and his role is to protect provide and lead She claims Jesus was born of these TWO that if the Holy Spirit CONT..
evewale 1 year ago
@evewale She definately went over the edge with these teachings. They are doctrines of demons and must be exposed as much as possible.
There are way too many false teachers on YT and other video sites like this.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
KJV is just another translation according to the traditions of men. i used to be a kjv onlyist but i realise it is just a man made translation, not absolute truth. i use the hebrew and greek texts of the textus receptus instead. the KJV has had thousands of corrections since 1611. its not the same as it was
ukatam 1 year ago
@ukatam The corrections in the KJ are very minor and don't take away from God's Word. IT's still inspired because God is behind those translations that keep to the oldest documents we have. to degrade this translation because of minor errors wouldn't be wise.
Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
God bless,
Linda
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
The King James Version is not inspired, but most people who believe that the modern versions have satan in them do NOT believe that! We believe that (unfortunately) it is the only version that didn't use manuscripts CORRUPTED by those viscious unsaved devil worshippers Wescott and Hort. The english of the King James is not inspired but the original language manuscripts used by the modern versions were POISONED by those two Satans- wescott and Hort!
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
I'm sorry, but this video is full of the same lies and false accusations that have been answered over and over, yet this person either doesn't care, and so is in sin, or doesn't know, and is therefore ignorant. This foolishness gets old. Here is God's attitude:
Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Providential1611 1 year ago
@Providential1611 So asking those who are haters and show anrgy and hate to other christians is unbiblical and full of lies.
Now that you have accused me of lies, would you please be so kind as to where I lied. Now let me remind you what a lie is...a lie is knowing the truth and yet saying something different.
You accuse me of being ignorant.
Now, again, prove what you say or apologize.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Asking those you ACCUSE as "haters" whatever your question might be is quite insulting. As for watching your video...your statements and accusations are all the standard nonsense hurled our way. Nothing original. These things have all been answered IN GREAT DETAIL in dozens of books over the last 50 years. Your problem is you are UNAWARE OF THIS so you ignorantly put forward points that are not only already answered, but invalid as well. It gets old dealing with it.
Providential1611 1 year ago
@Providential1611 What I need to know is if you are willing to read and study. Because I can direct you to books so you can know our side--why we believe what we do, from our own mouths, rather than repeating the lies from our critics. A great book written in a kind spirit is GIPP'S UNDERSTANDABLE HISTORY OF THE BIBLE. That book covers the whole field in a very easy to read format, but its full of detail. I would love to hear your opinion after PRAYERFULLY reading it.
Providential1611 1 year ago
@Providential1611 You want me to read and study something that is not the KJ Bible? How ironic. How can I know they are translated correctly?
I don't repeat anything from anyone. I say what I see, and apparently you fall under this catagory of extreme anger when it come to asking love to be shown while talking with others on what you believe.
Hostility and anger seems to spew out like honey from bee, it comes natural and you don't care how much anger you show in hostility.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 First, there is no hostily and anger. You say that, and if it is false, and it is, then you are making false accusations. Second, I told you to read a very educational book because it is clear that you need to read it. Your video is chock full of errors and false accusations. Now, if you want to continue to be ignorant and bear false witness, go right ahead, but don't whine when you are rebuked.
Providential1611 1 year ago
@Providential1611 It may get old to you but as long as hostile behavior towards those who do not use the KJV, is not being in Christ. IT's dealing with it in the flesh.
Now I know many who will only use the KJV and are loving and not being hateful. I watched videos where a men and women are cleaning their toilets with or other real nasty things.
No matter what, for the most part, the words of God are being used to clean toilets.
This is such a sad thing to witness.
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carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
con't 2
I am only asking those who practice such things to stop. Why is this so wrong? Am I asking you to stop reading the KJ? Am I asking you to accept all translations? NO, I am not.
The few who spew out such hate is wrong.
Your attitude towards me is so repulsive. Rather then try to talk with this to me, you come in with both guns ready to shoot me down and stomp on my blood.
I just wanted the hate to stop.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Your response is shrill, over the top, and an utter exaggeration. Give me a break with this bombastic nonsense. Talks sensibly, if you can.
Providential1611 1 year ago
@Providential1611 It's really too bad that all you know is to twist what is said and then try to turn it around on me. I have left your comments up so everyone can see just how you act and respond.
You take up more time then it is worth.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@Providential1611 What right do you have to add ot the original manuscriptus, after all, what right does the KJ verson translators have the right to add to the originals?
If you want to be a purist, get the original manuscripts, and throw away the King James, the volgate, thr Geneva, and the list goes on. The KJ translators relied on many translations in order to get the KJ version translated. How many did the KJ translators use? 12 before the oldest manuscripts that we have.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 "Add to " the manuscripts? The KJV translators did not "add" to anything, they TRANSLATED what the Greek and Hebrew said. And besides, NO ONE can get the "original manuscipts" since they DON'T EXIST.
Providential1611 1 year ago
@Providential1611 The KJ Translators used 12 copies of previous translations to get what they have today. Just go study this and you will see. It's not a secret.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 The translators used ALL AVAILABLE EVIDENCE, unlike the modern version translators, who rely of a minority text that is utterly corrupt.
Again, you do know that the original manuscripts DON'T EXIST, right?
Providential1611 1 year ago
I was saved with the NIV. The Holy Spirit led me through the misunderstanding that people have with this translation claiming "Lucifer is the Morning Star and so is Jesus".
Read a little closer folks and understand. Stars are symbolic of angelic beings and the "Morning Star" was a title in Heaven. Lucifer lost his title as a "Morning Star" when he fell from Heaven and Jesus is the "BRIGHT Morning Star" a different title as it is elevated ABOVE a Morning Star. Lucifer WAS a Morning Star.
AMTattersall 1 year ago
I want as you do I'm sure to speak the ''Truth in Love'' nothing more or less,we must try to be as meticulas as possible in how we handle the word of God we are all on the same journey and need each other . I have no axe to grind with anyone neither do i seek to score points in some sort of utube game,these things are far to important ignore if we care about the church and the lost. God Bless Rich.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 God bless you Rich, t's nice to talk to you.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 And you, i see from your page where your heart is.
Maranatha... come soon Lord.
kate151269 1 year ago
sorry below comment for @AMTattersall
kate151269 1 year ago
No I'm a simple Christian believer who wants to follow Jesus by walking in his Truth,I'm Just so sad and alarmed that the Church by and large seems to be falling away from the word of God which is are only means ( with the Holy spirits help) of walking the narrow way that leads to life,i think it's spiritual cowardice not to try and warn each other when we are in danger of error which will leave us having a form of Godlinness but no power.we need Godly people who rightly divide the word of God.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 I had to ask, thank you for that. I do my best to try and warn Believers of the apostasy that is going on with so many movements now. The biggest problem is that some Christians think that will never understand the bible, so they rely on men/pastors/teachers who don't have sound doctrine. They believe these men and women to their own destruction.
I try to get out as much information on these movements as possible.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
U say on the Vid that we should be united? But how can 2 walk together unless they be agreed? We are united in THE TRUTH. Adding and Taking away from the word of God is no small matter! it shows disrespect for the auther.In the last days people will believe a lie WHY? because they do not LOVE the TRUTH. What is happening is the Holy spirit is waking many Christians up to the fact that APOSTACY has started in the Church and ONE of the reasons is the many poor Translations. ( I dont hate anyone :)
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 Of course we won't be united in all things, that's only human, but when it comes to knowing who Jesus is and salvation, we must stand united.
there are some horriffic translations out there and I say don't even open up the pages of these abominations, but that's not the point. I have watched too many videos by so called Christians who were ripping up translations that were good. Because they don't use the King James English doesn't mean it's not inspired by God.
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carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
con't. 2
If I say I ran to the garage, and someone translated that to she hurridly went to the garage, the meaning is the same, nothing is lost. There are good translations out there that have not lost the meaning of what God intended.
I agree Apostasy is running rampid today in what we call the church and it must be exposed. The only thing is we need not to show anger like the world does in getting our point across, which is the theme of my video. Disagree with do it in love, not hate.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 get past the immature utube vids and ask yourself if people like Gail Riplinger are telling the truth? if they are then we need to wake up! Paul in acts wrote that some people were preaching the Gospel with impure motives but he said well least the Gospel (truth) is being told,if these translations are Deliberately dumbing down the essential truths and promoting new age idea's is it suprising there is growing anger among believers. Maybe God is indignant! God Bless Rich.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 Please don't misunderstand me, any translation that is bad should not be recommended. I am not endorsing translations that take away from the Word of God's Truth. You seem to be talking to me as if I am defending all translations.
I am saying that if someone disagrees with other translations even though they may be good, it is no good reason to tear up, or use that translation to clean the toilet or use for paper in the bird cage. This is the kind of hate I see from some KJ purist
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Can i ask without appearing to attack you which translations you believe are Exellent and why? I think i addressed the valid point you made on immature seemingly hate filled vids by stating we need to look beyond them and seek to test the ''Message'' rather than Messenger. I think your point needs to move on to what's being said (albeit crudely by some) otherwise we are in danger of ''straining at nats and swollowing camels''. God Bless Rich.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 I like the New King James English Version. It's easier to understand then the old version. I also use the NIV at times. There are arguements against this translation but so far what I've seen hasn't been of any big deal.
The NIV is a translation of what the original means, not a word for word translation. Like I said, if I say I ran to the garage, and someone translates that to she huridly went to the garage, the meaning is still accurate, even though the same word wasn't used.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 '' What the original means'' not a word for word translation is a very dangerous area to stray into when dealing with Scripture as it will enevitably lead to adding and taking away from the word of God in some way,I would rather have the Holy Spirit tell me what it means rather than leave it to fallible man,Jesus said when the'' comfoter comes he will guide you into all truth he will take that which is mine and make it known to you''. Have you watched Gail Riplingers vids?
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 I understand what you are saying but so far the NIV has been proven to be a very good translation. The flaws I've heard from others are so minor that it doesn't mean anything.
I started to watch her video a while back but when she started saying things that were so minute that it was just nit picking. But that was a long time ago.
Share with me something major and I might change my mind.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Viginia Molent worked on the NIV ( open Lesbian) Edwin Palmer chief editor NIV ''This shows the ERROR that is prevelent today in some orthadox protestant circles,namely that REGENERATION depends on FAITH and in order to be BORN AGAIN one must 1st accept JESUS as SAVIOUR'' err thats not an error that's the Gospel. (part 2 Riplingers vids) Isaiah 14v12 KJV Lucifer fallen son of the morning ,NIV fallen from heaven MORNING STAR son of the dawn, morning star is title of Jesus
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 Are you a Calvinist?
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@kate151269I'm glad you came to faith brother.God still saves people DESPITE the lack of Clarity Tis called Grace, why mess with a perfectly clear rendition and give a misleading one?this is just one of many prolems with the NIV and other modern translations (which i used for many years before going back to my AV) doesn't it set alarm bells ringing in your ears that one of the people who put it together was a lesbian and it was edited by a man who declared the above statement? God Bless Rich.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269
The Lord just led me to open the Bible on Job 38 verse 7.
In the KJV, "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"
Clearly there is more than one "morning star". This is also talking about the time before the fall of Lucifer/Satan and "the sons of God who married the daughters of men" of Genesis Chapter 6.
The name of Lucifer may have been dropped but he was a "morning star" - a position in Heaven .
Jesus is the "BRIGHT Morning Star"!
AMTattersall 1 year ago
@AMTattersall If only that was the only problem,there are verses completely missing, reference to the blood of Christ removed (40+ times niv 20+ nkj) do you trust a bible that the cheif editor is quoted as saying''This shows the great error today in some orthadox protestant circles that namely regeneration depends on faith and in order to be born again i must 1st except Jesus as Savior'' isn't that the gospel? watch Gail Riplingers vids,if half of what she says is true it's pretty awfull.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 Kate and all other KJV only people, I have some challenges for your thinking.
The Name of GOD YHVH (pronounced Yehovah, Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh). There is no "J" or "W" in Hebrew so Jehovah is not quite right, as is Yahweh (although I am sure that GOD does accept these when prayed to). The name of GOD ie YHVH/Yehovah has been replaced about 220 times. Read the 21st Century version of the KJV (KJ21), it has many corrections "where the meanings of words have changed in time"
God Bless
AMTattersall 1 year ago
@kate151269
The next challenge is why the book of Maccabees is removed. It is the book as to why the Jews celebrate Hanukkah and lets us know who Zeus (Roman God Jupiter) really is. Watch my video "Researching the Labyrinth" to learn about Zeus and more and have a read of Maccabees.
The next challenge is to understand the verses in Acts 19:3-6. I ask ALL readers of this to ask themselves how this applies to you.
The absence of this is perhaps the greatest problem in the church today.
AMTattersall 1 year ago
@AMTattersall from what i can see it simply shows us after conversion there is a further experience called baptism in the Holy spirit.you didn't answer regarding the Niv and other Translations in common use today do you think they can be trusted when the cheif editor makes such statements or do you think they are ok?another flaw i find with them is they seem impossible to quote where as the kjv seems much more to the point.( I thought Jesus said that we were to ask in HIS name when we pray?)
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 Dear Kate, thank you for your concerns regarding the truth of the Word. My advice which you seem to have missed in the verses that the Holy Spirit asked me to give you, is to let the Holy Spirit guide you through the Word in the version that He chooses to teach you with. Pray to God and ask Him to show you what He wants you to know in whatever version He chooses for you.
If you have received the Holy Spirit, he will teach you with what is available what He wants you to know.
AMTattersall 1 year ago
@AMTattersall Thank you for the spirit in which you reply (in contrast to many on utube) ''When the comforter comes he will guide you into all truth,he will take which is mine and make it known to you'' I'm sure if any man ''Loves'' the Truth then the Lord will not allow him to be decieved.(Regardless of which bible they use)I don't claim to be some sort of scholar but i believe the Spirit has shown me we are in last days apostacy. would'nt it be spiritual cowadice to say nothing? God Bless.
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269 Hi Kate, the following came from my journal writing a few days ago.
Dear Alan, you are most important in this discussion to bring about a change of thinking.
All scripture is inspired by God, even through tampering, God’s Word will persevere through it.
They are right that they have been tampered by the workers of Satan but the Truth will still come out regardless of translation.
The Holy Spirit will correct it for them in their understanding.
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AMTattersall 1 year ago
@kate151269 Continued from previous
"That is where it is vital to have the Holy Spirit. Those that don’t will believe the false scriptures."
I hope that all who read this will be open minded enough to compare wtih the KJV and orignal texts. Whilst it may be easy to read newer versions and most verses are correct, there are some omissions and changes - deliberate or not that may need to be compared to the original.
GOD Bless and seek the guidance and gifts of the Holy Spirit.
AMTattersall 1 year ago
@AMTattersall God Bless Alan. Maranatha!
kate151269 1 year ago
@kate151269
Re Acts 19:3-6
Have you received the Holy Spirit?
Do you pray in tongues or have other spiritual gifts such as healing?
Do you allow the Holy Spirit to guide your footsteps and your words?
Does He guide your reading?
Does the Holy Spirit guide your writing and speech or do you do so in your own spirit?
God Bless
AMTattersall 1 year ago
@AMTattersall Hi yes i do pray in tongues I was born again in a traditional pentecostal church and learned quickly (thankfully) in regard to spirit baptism.2 years ago i believe the Holy Spirit did speak to me 1st that God is Indignant if we add or take away from his word,2nd Apostacy HAS started in the church.What are we supposed to do stay silent if we see error?I hope someone will correct me if i'm going off the narrow way.''Mickey Mouse'' versions of the bible are only 1 of many problems.
kate151269 1 year ago
KJV only !! If it was good enough for Paul and the other apostles it's good enough for me.
FlaviusSarcasticus 1 year ago
Your message proves my point. The hate brush that you want to paint everyone with who disagrees with you is getting old, and reveals your immaturity. I simply tried to point out that your labels are silly. I don't hate you. If someone points out my error it doesn't mean they hate me. Using that logic, Jesus would be guilty of hating the scribes, phaisees and money changers, which is silly. I gave you a couple examples to show that you read a perverted "bible" but there are many others.
gibbitron 1 year ago
@gibbitron There you go again, I never said you hated, I said you showed hate, which are two different things. I can see now that you have difficulty in understanding this topic, and that you lack the ability to be civil and decent on this.
So with that, this conversation is finished.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 actually to show hate is the outward expression of hate; it is the manifestation of hate.
You are actually accusing gibbitron of something worse.
Not very honest carpentersdaughter2. Shame, shame shame. You have forgotten something very important; THERE IS A GOD.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter You don't seem to mind rebuking me in public, but yet you keep quiet on the person who spews out hate.
What's wrong with this picture?
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 I have read back and I am not sure that gibbitron was spewing out hate.
You accually appeared to be backing off of your rash accusation.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS - even if you are a woman.
You are either accusing gibbitron of hatred or you are not. Make up you mind please.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter He calls other translations perverted..umm, that's not nice and it's said with hate.
Then he takes a scripture out of context and uses it for his own meaning. Unfortunately he deleted some of his comments, and the ones up don't show his hate filled rage.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 I have called many other (than the KJV) English translations per-versions and I can sure you that I don't hate those who use them or even say that with hatred.
From my perspective it is the other side that is filled with hate as I have been called every name under the sun for believing the KJV Bible.
As far as I can gather from all these debates is that we (the KJV believers) don't like or believe any version but the KJV and you (anti-KJVites) don't believe any version.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter One of the reasons why the other side is nasty is because the KJ onliers started this nasty mess. Now I am not saying this is right, I am not. The whole purpose of this video is to have those who are KJ onliers to stop showing such anger and hate. Tearing up a NIV or NAV is wrong, because it is still God's Word.
I am NOT an anti-KJVite..this is soooooooooooo wrong of you. I never, never spoke athing against the KJV, and how dare you to say otherwise.
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carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
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I USE the KJ Version, so you are soooooooo wrong to call me a anti-KJVite.
Shameful, just another smart (*&*& christian.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 it looks like you started this thread accusing KJV believers of being hateful. We started this?
Oh, I see. You are one of those pickers and chosers. You do the Eeny, meeny, miny, moe with the Bibles.
You like all Bibles but subject yourself no none.
You are the spoiled little girl who goes to her mom and when she get a "No" turns to her dad hoping to get a "yes".
In other words you sit in judgement of all bibles. You believe them where they agree with you.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter If you see, I am refering to SOME, NOT ALL....Now look who's getting hateful. I try to explain to you and you twist what I say and make it mean something totally different then what I meant.
Not all translations are good. The Mormon bible which was translated by Joseph Smith make Jesus one god among many gods. The Jehovah's Witness Bible makes Jesus out an angel...so not all translations are good. Anytime a translation takes away the divinity of Jesus, then it's bad.
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carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
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What's with you anyway? You are doing exactly what I ask others not to do and that is tear down other bibles that are still good. What is wrong with that anyway? Those who turn against me and say things that aren't true get upset when I defend myself.
Are you some kind of God? You seem to know what I know, at least you say you do, but yet, you know nothing about me, and yet you falsely accuse me of horrible things.
You are not a Christian by your very own words.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 The title of your post doesn't make that clear. It doesn't say to just the 2 o 3 that have shown hate it appears you are making a blanket statement but not taking responsibility.
You sure like to accuse people of being hateful. I find that very hateful.
So what Bible is the Perfect Infallible Inspired Word of God?
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter Did you bother to even watch the video? Does everything have to be in the title for you to understand the whole thing?
When people like yourself and showing anger and hate, then yes, I will call them and you out on it. If you don't like it, then stop showing such anger and hate. People usually don't show love when they are angry, and when someone like yourself falsely accuses me of things, then I will call you out on it.
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carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
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Rather then apologize to me, you justify your anger by being accusatory of me.
This is wrong of you and if you want to have a civilized conversation, then please, stop being this way and we can talk about it lovingly.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Not only do you sit in judgement of the Bible you sit in judgement of mens hearts.
I fear for you.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter Now you are falsely accusing me again. I ask for a civil dialogue with you and rather then try to make this work, you just keep accusing me of things I don't do.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 You sure aren't showing me much love.
I feel the hatred spewing out of you.
Count to 10 and then respond. No count to 100.
Oh, and if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter You see, there you go again. I am defending myself and to you this is not loving. Who says that there has to be heat when talking???? Jesus sure didn't say we had to take the heat when talking to another Believer. Maybe with an unbeliever, but not a believer.
All I've done since you first wrote to me is defend myself and you keep accusing me of wrong doings.
If you want to be in God's will, I say you better make this right with me. I am willing to start over if you are.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 OK, let's see how honest you are.
Start a new post that is not just a blanket statement accusing KJV believers of being hateful.
Step 2. Answer my questions and stop being so evasive.
What Bible is God's Perfect Infallible Word?
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter SOME KJ Believers show a lot of hate towards anyone who uses a different translation, no matter if it's a good translation.
Did I pass the first test?
What Bible is God's Perfect Infallible Word...The Hebrew and Greek scriptures in their original form is the only one that's perfect.
Do you still think I am being dishonest? I wanted to start over but you start out with your very first sentence questioning my honestly....shameful.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 So your statement of faith is that you believe a Bible that you have never seen, that no longer exists in a language that you cannot read?
How marvelous.
The KJV Bible has been believed in its entirety by many peoples for generations and I should give that up for what you have to offer? I am not buying.
I could almost respect a person if he took his NIV and said "this is my authority" but picking and chosing and pretending to believe a Hebrew/Greek text is pitiful.
IBelieveMyBible 1 year ago
@IBelieveMyBible Your friend asked me what is the perfect infallible word, and I told him it's the Hebrew and Greek, these are the perfect words from God. Any translation that comes from these languages has to match pretty closely to these originals.
I have a King James English Bible that I use for study, and I don't condemn the King James Bible either.
I love this translation as it gives me the best accuracy a translation can give. But I also use other translations.
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carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
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I hope that helps you to understand a little more clearly where I stand. Watching the video would've helped though,
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@bretlcarpenter Did you watch the video? CD says some people are rude and hateful in accusing some who do not use the KJV. That is true I have seen it too so why are you being the same way in being rude to CD. Is this the Christian love you learn from the KJV. Try putting your point acress in Christian love.
FlaviusSarcasticus 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 I don't believe the NIV is God's Perfect Infallible Word in English but NEITHER DO YOU!
I don't believe the NAV is God's Perfect Infallible Word in English but NEITHER DO YOU!
Etc.
You either have to subject yourself to one final authority or sit in judgment and act as the final authority.
You can cover your eyes, stop your ears and call us Bible believers hate mongers but Biblically it is called FAITH.
I have seen no Biblical defence for any other English Translation.
bretlcarpenter 1 year ago
Oh that's great. Accuse those of us who believe God's Word as haters. I really don't care what you want to call your perverted books, but don't accuse me of hatred if I don't call them Bibles. You need to read what Jesus said about how you should treat those who disagree with you in Matthew 5:44. Oh wait, you can't! God must have left that one out of your "bible". How about the one requirement for baptism in Acts 8:37? I guess God forgot that one too. So sorry.
gibbitron 1 year ago
@gibbitron Wow, either you didn't pay attention to what I said in the video or you just have a hard time understanding what's being said.
While you are yelling at me and FA:LSELY accusing me of something I didn't do, you are showing hate. Then you tell me of leaving something out of the Bible.
You are the perfect example of what my video is about. Hate that's all you seem to spew out of that mouth of yours.
Rather then sharing with me why you disagree with me on my video, you spew anger
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
Hebrew and Greek trumps english. Typical modern ego to think english is somehow an "inspired" language. Especially since the actual translators of the KJV never considered their translation inspired by a long shot!
DysfunctionalParrot 1 year ago
translation doesnt matter huh?
your newage subjectivity serpent logic bleeds thru quite well ole slew foot.
WHEW!! Talk about a false prophet and a false doctrine.
Thousands of omissions, contextual shifting, precept twisting, reconstituting of phrases & teminologies etc etc etc fron the NIV NASB manuals. What was that about "translations doesnt matter? What a death trap this videl is.
absolutely unbelievable.
zobcity01 1 year ago
@zobcity01 I NEVER said translation doesn't matter, didn't even come close to that because I know that translation does matter, but what does matter is the attitude that you display, just like the other KJelistist show.
There are good and bad translations, and the KJV is one of many good translations, but it's not without fault too.
So please, don't falsely accuse me of something I never said.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@zobcity01 ENOUGH!! I've seen more than enough false accusations, name calling and wicked innuendo from KJVonlyists!! Your darkened heart is full of the spitefulness and religious pride of a pharisee! You need to REPENT! Get on your knees and ask the Lord for forgive you. Then you need to apologize for making false accusations against a sister in Christ.
Keruaran 1 year ago
@zobcity01 Whatever
zobcity01 1 year ago
I am a KJV onlyer, but it is extremely wrong for them to harass another brother or sister about there non-use of the KJV. It is was more wrong for the one who ripped up the non-KJV bible to do that..... that is embarrassing on my part.... I do use my NKJV and NRSV for reference, but not as my foundation of doctrine and I only use the KJV when I preach, but that was wrong.....
ProudChristian316 1 year ago
I commend you on the effort sis, but most KJVOnlyist will sadly die in their pompous ignorance.
rb300dx 1 year ago
@rb300dx I only wish they could see the hate they exzood. I do understand anyone who wants God's Word to remain pure, but some of the arguements are over things that have no bearing on anything.
It's shameful in the acts of some of these people, because no matter what, it's still God's Word, and who wants to clean a toilet with a Bible page...that is just sick and discusting and full of hate.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@rb300dx ''Well it is simple the devil changed the word in the beginning, and he still dose today, anyone who thinks he is not, is deceived. it is not hate to tell the facts. just as it is a fact that killing is wrong and sinful. Should the one who kills say i hate him because i told him he was sinning and wrong?
tocstie 1 year ago
@tocstie Yes, the devil is still deceiving and will do that until he is thrown into the lake of fire. but tearing up other versions, especially those that are good, is just plain wrong. Showing this kind of anger and hate only reminds me of Westborrow Church. Those people are so deceived it;s not funny, but yet they believe they are doing God's bidding. Those who tear up other translations that are good are NOT doing God's bidding, but Satans foolisness.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@tocstie It is still a debate of ignorance. If you would do an HONEST UNBIASED research on the history of the bible and it's subsequent translation into the English language, the TRUE FACTS render the fallacy of one version "Onlyism". "Most", modern versions hold the same tenents of scripture, rendered in the more appropriate modern vanacular. So to debate this issue is utterly ridiculous, and a true waste of a "real" Christian's God given time to minister to the lost, which is of utmost importa
rb300dx 1 year ago
NIV has over 6,500 word changes, additions, or subtractions from the KJV and greek and hebrew texts. I know this from a WORD FOR WORD study. Gods word is not corrupt (Psalms 12:6-7, 1 Peter 1:23), but when something messes up Gods word, how can you say its ok?
We wish no hate, but its weird to ignore extreme changes and deletions, wouldn't you agree? That is what it is all about, not changing Gods word. SInce modern Bibles do that in excess we don't like them. Make sense?
joelpatton12 1 year ago
@joelpatton12 If I said, I ran to the garage, and someone said, I hastily made my way to the garage, there would be no loss in the interperation of what was said. I do understand where you are coming from. There are translations that are horrible and take away much from God's Word.
I am not saying it'sokay for a bad translation, and that's not even the point of my video, the point is, I see hate from those who call themselves Christians, and this is wrong.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 but if you understand what the bible is saying then why change it? like something in the bible are plain and dont need to be changed but they are and somethings you have to re-read multiple times to understand what its saying...the problem with different translations is that its the opinion of the ppl who decided on that meaning of the verse, passage etc. and they are wrong sometimes thats why I myself stick to the KJV.
dboydustin 1 year ago
@dboydustin A translation is just that, a translation...it means that no one has put their meaning into it...it's when you get into paraphrases where you get someone's opinion. There are bad translations out there especially from cults such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. there is the English Bible. Any bible that denies Jesus is God, then you have a bad translation, but for the most part, we have some very good translations other then the KJV.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 I think you're both missing the point. The issue isn't translation. It's text. From which text are other manuscripts coming from? The historical and verifiable evidence is clear. The Alexandrian texts are corrupted, containing heresies relating to Arianism, Gnosticism, and the like. EVERY version other than KJV and NKJV come from these sources. It's not about translation. You can translate swear words accurately into Spanish and German, but what are you translating?
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@trueedge2097 Are you saying that the KJV is the only version we can trust? If that is what you are saying then I totally disagree with you on that. There are some very good translations out there, and besides, the KJV has some problems too, like extra verses put in, in Mark, where there wasn't anything in previous translations that the KJV went from. We can't make a god out of a translation. I understand wanting to have the best, but we have to be very careful there too.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Okay, you need to be careful with responses like this. This is a classic straw man argument. I didn't say any of that. Now, I can indeed answer ALL of what you just said about the KJV. It isn't difficult. The extra verses in Mark were not included in previous TR translations for a reason (and it was wrong). Again, I muss stress. Translation ISN'T the issue. TEXT is the issue. If you translate a cuss word, it doesn't matter how good your translation is. You're still cussing.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@trueedge2097 Okay, then you imply these things. that's why I respond the way I do, so please, don't go giving me a lecture on being careful with my responses. YOu must make sure that what you say doesn't impy something else, so I say to you, be careful in what you say, so others can respond in the correct manner.
I understand text is at issue here too, but we are talking about translations first and foremost.
BUT, this video is about showing love not hate, so stick to the topic, please.
carpentersdaughter2 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Even if I did intend to imply it, you still can't respond that way unless you can verify that I said it. Sorry. It's still wrong. Deal with what someone actually says. I can do it.
Until you realize that arguing translation is moot, you're not going to understand why KJVO folks feel the way they do. Do they come across wrongly? Yes, of course. But that doesn't make the idea irrelevant. But the issue is text first and foremost. You're wasting your time arguing translation.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@carpentersdaughter2 Again, I say to you. You're still cussing. Translation isn't the issue. It doesn't matter how many of them there are or what the topic you want to start on is. If you're going to argue this truthfully, you must go back to the source. If the NAS, NIV, and most of the others out there come from corrupted sources, it doesn't matter how good the translation was.
You're still cussing.
trueedge2097 1 year ago
@dboydustin yea that's what I know. I understand that but I do disagree with you some of the other translation of the bible change the meaning of scripture which in turn will change the way you(not you exactly)that you understand the scripture and that would lead you to believe something that is not true. so I say be careful. consult God about it and see what he says, as we all agree(or I hope we do) that his opinion is the best opinion(and the right one lol)
dboydustin 1 year ago