RUSSIA-GEORGIA CRISIS: U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee Hearing 9.9.08

[trupoed12]

my God, thouse americans are really breanwashed. even in senate((

[chtovimenitebemojem]

@trupoed12 they are not brainwashed, they are simply russophobes, who support any anti-russian force on post-Soviet space. thank god people began to realize this now and stopped believ in stupid american stories that they just "fought against communism and authoritarianism"

[xMaXiMuSx]

Man this is some pure propaganda.. Georgia(probably with US orders) attacked first..

[MrShowgo1]

@xMaXiMuSx Why would America order Georgia to attack Russian peacekeepers?? The US was interested in gaining influence in Georgia and the end result og Georgia attacking was a defeat to America.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@MrShowgo1

Lol georgia invaded south ossetia and bombed civiliansand Russian peacekeepers.

[MrShowgo1]

@xMaXiMuSx Yes, and your point is? You stated that the US probably ordered the Georgians to attack ossetia, which would not benefit the US at all. The Georgians gambled and fell into the Russian trap and the US has nothing to do with it. Btw, i am not American and i thought the Georgians were stupid to attack.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@MrShowgo1

yeah the president of georgia is a US puppet.. Installed by a CIA coup...He does NOTHING without US approval.

[MrShowgo1]

@xMaXiMuSx Well he attacked Russian soldiers without American approval. Do you know how i know that? Because the US had nothing to gain from Georgia attacking south ossetia only something to lose, which they did. (Influence in Russian sphere)

[Alex14669]

Наши парни всё граматно сделали

[Teranex]

What Russian aggression? The International community already determined that Georgia was the aggressor. The Americans are the one to talk, being at war 24/7 since 1942. In the cold war America was waging more wars then USSR was involved in.

[Armand308]

omg there is still people who thinks russia attacked georgia first....

[Omgtheykilledme]

USA is a fuck up and started fucking up foreign countries after they did the league of nations through the first world war whom they provoked in the first place

[LosxAngelesxAngel15]

Random question: could kids attend senate hearings???

Believe it or not it would really help with my creative writing essay :)

[deathxe5]

@LosxAngelesxAngel15 stfu no, no shitlings allowed in senate hearings

[AmoRRus]

lol "desproportional responce" xD they attack Russian peace keepers and what we need to do?just forrgot about dead Russians?we do in law..we defend peace in this rigion and end this war in 5 days.And why the fuck usa can attack Irak,Afganistan,Vietnam,Ygosla­via etc...after ww2 usa bomed 25 countres...and after this,this people talking about how Russia is bad?wtf?thats really funny,really

[iaccik]

Love Hillary so very much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aSuperbadassninja]

hah what about America providing weapons to Georgia? and training? this is propaganda...if we could invade Iraq over oil half a world away, then cant Russia deal with something in its own backyard?

[ttiiyy]

@aSuperbadassninja LOL You seem to have a split personality. Russian or American????

[10georgian]

@aSuperbadassninja backyard look here you bitch GEORGIA is no ones backyard and it never will who ever fucks with us we fuck them back bitch

[pacerboy11]

@10georgian I think you misunderstood what they were saying. They were saying Russia are P*SSIES i believe anyway ...

[marksbbr]

@aSuperbadassninja I'm currently writing a thesis on this topic. Yes, we did supply weapons to Georgia... but don't we have a right to? Since the end of the early 1990s, Russia has been provoking Georgia with these two entities, while recognizing them as Georgia. The FSB controls South Ossetia, and South Ossetian government officials have been appointed Russians for years. Moscow had been undermining Georgia through S. Ossetia, while legally recognizing it as Georgian

[pajedmail]

Russian agression??!!

ohh, come on...

[M4ry4nx4s4n]

USA has always fear Russi. But they're not so scared after the soviet union collapsed.

The United states is good to hide there fear and that why people think that Russia is fearing USA.!

[brainiacxx]

LOL, "we do not want a new cold war"

SO STFU THEN, AMERICAN DOUCHEBAGS, you are not the police of this world.

You all did what you wanted to do and invaded Iraq, for fake reasons. yet you dont hear americans bitching about that, because they dont care. The biggest war criminal of all time is the US.

So dont start bitching when russia has a conflict in ITS OWN BACK YARD.

[pushups2345]

fuck russia and ron paul's nutjob neo-nazi supporters.

dr. paul doesn't agree with your stupid conspiracy theories - dr. paul said that the 9/11 was "ABSOLUTLY NOT" an 'inside job'

it's amazing how easy you nutjobs fell for russian ultranationalist propaganda

go back to your tin foil houses and leave the rest of us in peace

[M4ry4nx4s4n]

Just because Dr. Paul says that it was'nt an "inside job" it does'nt means that we have to believe him!

[TURKSandAZERISareGAY]

those two are dirty jewbags .....

[zoomfoom]

russia fears EU US and NATO...hahaha..they rather attack small nations insted

[to4ka77]

no my friend... they fear russia!

[zoomfoom]

who fears waht?....both got the nuclear weapon..lol

[to4ka77]

my point is , russia does not need the international community to survive. but, the international community needs russia!

[zoomfoom]

i get ur point.;i respectfuly desagree..no one needs anyone really..it's only 2 make things go easier...

on the economic level..russia needs EU's cash and sells 100% of it's oil..EU neds russia's oil that provide 25 of it's energy..

[brainiacxx]

what a dumb comment. Russia doesnt have to fear anyone. What did you say about them attacking small nations?

Didnt the US invade IRAQ, for own selfish reasons... do you think that was fair?

The US didnt do SHIT in the Russia-Georgia conflict. all they could do was whine about it. Russia is not scared of the US.

It was russia's own back yard, for christ's sake.

[zoomfoom]

Russia is EU's ow backyard too..does it give it the right to start a war with russia?...EU's military force is 3 times larger than russia..in war case with the EU russia wont use nukes for the safety of it's own ppl bcz it knows that whatever it does with it's nukes it would benuked back and everyone would die..

[2tur]

well when we invaded iraq we got trillions of dollars alone..we got sadams gold and instead of giving it to the iranian people we kept it.

and we are pumping billions out of oil from there

also america and russia are friends..which is very wrong

[M4ry4nx4s4n]

Gold an oil was'nt the only think US got out of the war.

All the weapon companies got trillions of dollar cause they where selling weapons to bouth of the countries.

And that helps the Usa BNP.

so evry time US start a war they got something out of it, and that is wrong.

[Mavlik]

Disregarding multiple South Ossetian independence referendums the west continues to support the Georgian government.

Saakashvili is a war criminal who ordered the war on Ossetians. Americans support his regime.

After being so fast to forcefully take Kosovo from Serbia the west shows double standards again in dealing with South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The world must support the freedom of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Do not believe the western lies!

(see: /watch?v=szUPl0H082E)

[serlanss]

Braco Rusi samo gazite...ovima je dosao kraj!!!GO RUSSIA!!!!DESTROY ALL!!!AMERICA IS COME TO END!!!Long live great RUSSIA AND SERBIA!!!

[Benderiukas]

this material is 100% true from the white house if white house is bull shiting so how you can trust to the media ?????

[antiwestpropaganda]

war080808 com

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THE DOKUMANTATION WITH THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CONFLICT IN GEORGIA!!!

WATCH ALL AND DONT BELIEVE THE WEST-MEDIAS!

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[LupusGER]

shut up... -.-

[antiwestpropaganda]

whats up?

burn the truth in your eyes or why you close them?

[dbullet]

thats very UNamerican of you to just tell someone to shut up. When will America return to its ideals of free speech, liberty, and democracy; rather than be what it has become?

[TheSunAlsoRises1987]

"A defensive response to a pre-planned provocation" would be a more adequate description of Georgia's actions. Let's not forget that the Russian tanks rolled through the Roki Tunnel way before any assault on Tskhinvali by Georgian side. I'm getting sick and tired of everyone describing those events as "Georgian aggression."

[sigsrfun]

This has been discredited completely by the OSCE and various western intelligence services including the CIA. But nice try, silly lying sack.

[bankruptfeller]

Predicted crisis in 2007, and over 1.5 mil views ?

watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

It stunned me!

[NormsChem]

Sweet.

:D

[NormsChem]

Hahahah. Whooa there buddy, you're just chomping at the bit to whip out a "bitch my man ain't your baby's daddy" every other comment. Chill bro.

And drop the "commie" line skipper, this ain't 1955.

Now let's get real - 2,000 deaths is NOT a genocide. In fact, MOST of those deaths resulted from KLA attacks, so in fact maybe we should have declared the KLA to be conducting "genocide" and we should have helped the Serbs.

Point being, life isn't black and white.

[NormsChem]

Furthermore, America isn't some righteous crusading nation that helps the helpless and defends the weak. It's a country with a selfish ruling group. SO let's be realistic here.

Oh yeah, and Yugoslavia wasn't actually communist under Milosovic, so I don't know where you got that. lol

[DAXUREvsPUTIN]

Johhny(McCain) Be Good! you're the one not that hussein thing!

[DAXUREvsPUTIN]

word "just" costs nothing! here people are dying under red scum Putins russian army, you just care only about popcorn, chicks&beer, for "just" kates don't miaowle today in streets!

[neovannn]

A direct confrontation between Western and Russian armies would lead all of us to a 3nd world war with millions of deaths and ultimatly to the destruction of the whole planet.

That's why such confrontation didn't happen during the cold war and won't happen now.

That's one thing to invade a weak country such as Iraq who doesn't have any nuclear weapons but that's another to start a war against a country such as Russia.

[NormsChem]

LOL.  'Net neutrality isn't a "communist" issue man, you need to relax and switch on the light bulb for a sec.

This is about what our country will look like and how it will work in the future - we can choose to embrace the future with information technology (in this case the internet) or we can choose to fuck ourselves and our development over. Which is exactly what killing neutrality will do.

[NormsChem]

Oh, you're Georgian, so you were probably talking about the Russian thing. Sorry mac, it's just fact - Washington DC can't and won't do shit about Moscow's imperialism.

Get back to me in five years and we'll see exactly how much DC "helps" Georgia. If you haven't noticed, America doesn't randomly help other countries unless there's a short-term power gain for its leaders.

[DAXUREvsPUTIN]

I'll relax when you & Putin will be dead

[DAXUREvcCCCP]

Yeah! good commie is dead russian

[NormsChem]

What are you, some 12-year-old cyber nationalist? LOL.

I'm just being realistic. What do you think Washington is going to do? Send an army to Georgia? Fuck no, we're still scraping our military barrel for Iraq and Afghanistan.

[DAXUREvsPUTIN]

What is most presious in America? freedom!

So what America is teaching the world tyrans like Ahmadinedjad or Hussein or Milosevic or Putin? to pay for occupation genocide and bloodshead!

WHERE YOU STAND PAL?! you are with us or against us!(simple as that or maybe you're commie like Putin?)

[NormsChem]

Who says freedom is most precious in America? If you haven't noticed, the tide of the last decade has been AGAINST freedom here, not for it.

If you think our government just runs around invading countries for freedom, you're kidding yourself. It only invades where there is immediate gain for themselves and their lobbyists. That's why we called Kosovo a "genocide" after only 2,000 people died, but still we don't do shit about Darfur.

Sorry man, you're on your own. Best of luck to Georgia.

[NormsChem]

The US isn't going to do shit about Russia. Let's get real - Moscow will do what it wants in Georgia.

As for the "Vote McCain" crowd - I'm no big fan of Obama's, but McCain opposes 'net neutrality, which alone is a reason not to vote for him. If you use this website and still support an anti-neutrality candidate, you are fucking clueless. lol.

[BluffBlunt]

Eh Canadian TheReal

Its OK for Canadians to be jealous of BOTH USA and RUSSIA.

[Iverielii]

McCain 2008!

Every single enemy of the United States, supports and endorses Barrack Hussein Obama.

[neovannn]

@Iverielii

Bush is one of the worst enemy the U.S ever had to face.

And he "supports and endorses" McCain.

It seems that what you said is untrue.

[Iverielii]

neovannn, Bush is a selfish idiot, everyone knows that. John McCain is nothing like him and never was.

Bush would endorse anyone who was Republican, even if it was an alien. It doesn't mean anything.

McCain wants to make America independent of foreign oil, while we still use it.

Obama has virtually NO experience and liberal fools want him to run the most powerful country on earth...during these times.

McCain is unbeatable in foreign policy and demands respect from clowns like Putin.

[neovannn]

McCain clearly said himself that he has "little interest" in economic issues.

He almost never publicly opposed Bush on any issue during those last 8 years and voted more than 90% of the time for anything that Bush have been asking for.

He nominated Palin as his VP who is no one but Bush's hidden twin sister on every issues.

And his only foreign policy perceptive is to "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran...."

I objectively really don't see in what he is "nothing like him and never was".

[Iverielii]

Typical liberal coward, trying to link McCain with the failed Bush administration.

You cant even compare Bush and McCain as men, let alone politicians.

McCain has accomplished more in his life than everyone you know combined.

[neovannn]

It has nothing to do with what he accomplished in his life.

It's about what a democratic administration and republican administration stand for in the white house.

Bush hasnt been ruling the country all by himself during those last 8 years, all the republican partys top advisers were behind him and I wouldnt like them or their political views to stay in the white house for the next 4 years.

[neovannn]

Thats a shame that McCain didnt get elected in 2000 instead of Bush but now, I dont think that hell be able to fix anything that has been broken by the last republican administration, he is tied up to his partys failed policies on war, economics and other different issues.

Nominating Palin as his V.P instead of a republican who opposed Bush on different issues during those last years is the biggest proof of it.

He wants his administration to be composed by people who share Bushs views.

[Geass85]

and... it's obvious , dat only georgians and their western ally are masters of lie and disinformation....

[TheRealFreznoBob]

and the poor russians are just to stupid to lie, yes?

[Geass85]

*yawn* i'm happy to see , dat ur so afraid of us russians u weak, pathetic and puny nations, we don't afraid to be "isolated" again , cause we have a more reliable and big ally than brain washed and corrupted army of Usa ))

[TheRealFreznoBob]

We aren't afraid of russia we just hate you and your kind.

[Russiansaredicks]

screw russia go georgia go usa!

[dimdaman]

Sober reflections Russians! Stop drinking the Vodka! USA & Georgia alliance will not be broken! Georgian will for Liberty, Democracy, and rule of law is unwavering!

[VIRMALINE108]

my previous answer was to "natiaaa". yes, I think also that it was provocated by Russia.

continuation

Aug 2 -6 civilians and 1 Georgian solder were killed. Separatists opened fire by mine throwers the villages Zemo Nikozi, Kvemo Nikozi, Nuli, Avnevi, Eredvi ja Ergneti. Georgia answered at the beginning, later they were told to go away from this area.

Aug 3 S Ossetia separatists started evacuation of their people, it continued 3 days!!!

absolutely clear, it was provocation from Russia!

[natiaaa]

That's right. So at one point I think Saakashvili was forced to make this decision. even though we paid big price, this was the only way to show and prove to the world that Russia is an aggressor and not peacekeeper. Otherwise, nobody would disturb their live by involving into this problem.This was the only way to make world leaders take some actions.

[pgthinker007]

You are right!

[natiaaa]

thanks.

[Iverielii]

Officially, the war started on August 6, as soon as the Ossetian terrorists used 120MM artillery against Georgian positions.

UN treaties and law state that no weapon over 80MM was allowed. This was of course supplied by Russia.

[GoodWillCitizen]

"Officially" by Iverielii's Ministery of Illusions?

[dimdaman]

No, officialy by the facts on the ground, Mr. GoodWillCitizen.

[Iverielii]

Why does it even matter? If its daytime outside, Russians will tell you its night time and no amount of evidence will change their mind.

Russians are the masters of lies and denial. Everyone knows that.

[TheRealFreznoBob]

Russians and americans both.

[Iverielii]

GoodWillCitizen, there is physical evidence and intelligence, and everyone except for Russia acknowledges it.

Many observers say Russia and South Ossetia were escorting civilians to North Ossetia as early as August 2.

[GoodWillCitizen]

You should watch more of those 'evidence and intelligence' on Bill O'Reilly. He's your confidente guy!

[seamarina]

God Bless America and Georgia!

Stop ruSSia!!!

[to4ka77]

nobody really realises why russia invaded georgia in the first place it is because georgians were running over babys with tanks and shooting at little kids and russian ran in, raped georgia and left

and as an american i sadly say this is american propagand. God does not bless america because it abbandoned God years ago..

[to4ka77]

i live in america! you stupid georgian, tell me why did georgia invade ossetia in the first place? go have sex with shakasvilli that gay president of yours! and kill some babys while your at it!

[358423]

@seamarina people like you is a shame to Ukraine

[Iverielii]

Nobody thought Russia would be stupid enough to invade Georgia.

Russians say hello to Javelin anti-tank and Patriot anti-air systems.

Russia is isolated and crumbling.

[HistSop]

God Bless USA???????!!!!!!!That's the very aspiration inculcated in Georgian nation and which is extremely dangerous.Wake up USA never cares about Georgia,it has its own interests like Russia.So, God bless Georgia and the people who pray for their country!

[virtual7insanity]

Its not about we want to join NATO, it about NATOwant to expand its fkin borders. how far is it to understand? and enough of this b/shit. u want expand?u wnat speard of democracy? so be capable to defend it. u cant? then shut the hell up and dont give the world the b/shit about independence and democracy!

[Iverielii]

NATO and America, are 10x stronger than Russia and 20 years ahead in technology.

They can defend whoever they want.

You Russian bums and your Soviet era technology. Get serious.

Your pilots dont even have enough funding to do real training.

[Stanislavs1]

you 10 years old or something? we talkin about who is right or wrong in this conflict, not who has the most advanced shit etc..

[nininodiageorgia]

What a problem do you have with my age? I do not care what you little Russian pig is talking about.The comments that I made were on why Georgia needs to have USA as a strong ally.I wanted readers of those comments to know how bullshit country Russia is aggressive, imperialist, with big ambitions. How it is ready sweep everything and everyone on its way resisting its interests,so is not clear now who is the wrong in this conflict and who started this war..thats the your dumb country

[Iverielii]

Stanislavs1, yeah and I think the world has already told you who is right and who is wrong.

Or let me guess...You base your decisions on Putin TV right?

[natiaaa]

My question is, if Georgia wouldn't respond to those provocations, would there be emergency meeting of NATO, would there be Sarkozi's ceasefire agreement, would there be anything done to stop those provocations? would Russia be aknowledged as an aggressior and not peacekeeper?of course not. People would be dieing every day in those villages and world would consider this as an internal problem. Georgia was also obliged to protect civilians and had to respond.

[VIRMALINE108]

agree!

june russian 58. army+ special forces from Pihkva special military forces arrived to boarder of Georgia

July 28 separatists opened fire to OSCE group and Georgian peace keepers near to Chorbauli village

July 29 separatists opened fire to OSCE group going to Andzisi village and Georgian peacekeepers were attacked by grenade launchers and 120 mm mine throwers near to Sarbuki village.

Aug 1 vechicle with Georgian police was attacked (blasted),5 policmen were wounded in Tsihnvali region

[nininodiageorgia]

Russians sent war message to Georgians Georgians are not going be surrender and never ever going to give up their historical lands .russian soldiers!!! robbers of toilets go back to your stinky country GOD bless Georgia and USA

[nininodiageorgia]

Georgia as an old country with its 26th centuries existence has right to choose the path that goes towards independence and freedom.

[nininodiageorgia]

.and if Americans willing to support Georgians in building new future of their thats the great Georgia as small country can not resist russians huge imperialist military machine itself needs Americans and NATO help to  continue exist as a sovereign state and be respected its territorial integrity

[nininodiageorgia]

Russia still is soviet country ruled by former KGB agent Putin and is very far away being normal country with big ambitions trying to bring ex-soviet republics back east-European states as well what you will think when you know that this country supports terrorists organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah and committed so bad crimes against civilizationlast crime has been committed in Chechnya and has done genocide with Chechens

[Stanislavs1]

you believe the most little bullshit

[tamaradati]

GOD BLESS AMERICA! freedom to georgia from occupant russians , whole world will pay back to F russia for crimes that russia has been done to other countrys !

[rusoft2]

Quote: "We MUST support Georgia militarily".

What if Russians will take this rhetoric seriously and act symmetrically. Just take the list of armaments provides by US and NATO to Georgia and provide equal amounts of equivalent armaments and training, say, to Syria?

Americans, McCain turned yall into Georgians. Wakeup.

[XOTAD]

why is America invading europe ? do they think they are being covert ? same old story ..." were only trying to help " sooner or later...financially U.S will own georgia...same as Lithuania...same as czech....same as UK ( dont even try to deny it)....and many more

[mkhmkl]

By the way, I didn't find in this video any traces of senator Rohrbacher's speech, in which he directly and unambiguously stated that it has been Georgia who started the war. And that no excuse can be accepted for this, no provocative behaviour can approve the slaughter...

Can we hope to see it anywhere?

[mkhmkl]

It was only Russia who helped people to survive against mercenary and sickly-ambitious Georgian leadership.

Unlike Dutch peacekeepers, who left civilians die, Russians came and protected them.

Now, the cowardice of the Dutch military is justified in Haague court. Nobody cares about hundreds of lives, which have been terminated there in the heart of civilized Europe.

And those people dare to accuse Russia of disproportionate response, when they leveled Beirut to the ground for one soldier.

[foxilocks2007]

America has no moral standing to criticize anyone for invading a sovereign nation. We did and we are now occupying!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008-2016!

[prokurtan]

I dont belive in America.

[0urGaia]

The west needs to shutup. It cannot invade Afghanistan and Iraq for oil then point their finger at other countries. AND what of the reports that Israel ala Gergia killed over 1000 people in South Ossetia which started the hostilities.

[MentalReserve]

only the dumb ass american people will believe every word all lies.....it was Russia that helped the people

[heisafraidofspiders]

yeah, especially when

"after their house was set ablaze as the result of bomb explosion in civiliangs house of Gori, father managed to get his 4 year old son out of the house and went back to get his PREGNANT wife out also, but none of them ever came back"!

bloodsuckers!

[4unitedMAN]

The Georgian Government did the bidding of Israel by launching the attacks on South Ossetia. Jewish extremist influence in media is so great that many people have the mistaken impression that Russia started this war even though Georgia attacked South Ossetia where Russians, by international agreement, have had peacekeepers there for years in the Russian region.Israel has also been arming Georgia up to the teeth with

hi-tech weaponry prior to the war.

[heisafraidofspiders]

umm, of course Russian "didnt" start.

what about 2 dead georgian peacekeepers on 6th august, BEFORE georgia'd response?

what about georgian villages beinh shelld for 11 days intensively from ossetian(russian) side,what about russian media sources quoting russian soldiers were in tskhinvali BEFORE georgia would response? what about russia illegally arming illegal armed forces of ossetia with illegal weaponry?try to investigate facts better and than start make conclusions,georgia wasnt initiator

[4unitedMAN]

2 ministers of Georgia are israeli citizens, including their defence minister!

[happosai21]

so russians should decide if they want to be a humiliated slave of the british dutch banking system or a real independant country that protect its people?

[agitcam]

What a hypocritical opening statement. This crisis is Bush's responsibility. Georgia was wrong to begin the attack and the Bush regime is wrong to put missiles in Poland. This is a provocation by the US. More of the Bush regimes terrible decisions.

[USA04July1776]

Thank you.