I wouldn't want to be pretentious... Because I'm like so up to date with battery technology. Neither of these guys could drive an anything by Shelby Super Cars or ever will.
The thing I never understood is the logic behind electric cars. Unless your electricity is generated my wind farms or hydroelectric dams, which I'm sure it isn't, you aren't doing dick for the planet. You're just indirectly creating emissions by using electricity generated by coal burning power plants or maybe a nuclear one, but that is less likely. Is burning coal better for the environment than burning gasoline? Because if it isn't, it's time to go back to the drawing board.
Hydrogen fuel is the key to clean exhaust. Hydrogen can be had from water by electrolysis. Burning hydrogen in an oxygen rich atmosphere yields pure water. That's the exhaust from an internal combustion engine by burning hydrogen is nothing but pure water. Plus it cleans the engine. Today's ICE's are able to burn hydrogen as fuel without any modifications, apart from fuel tank and that gets hooked up to the existing air inlet with a simple splitter hose.
Hydrogen on demand is how you avoid the explosion issue. You carry your hydrogen attached to oxygen molecules 2 to 1. That's called water. Water plus an electrolyte, say baking soda, easily splits into hydrogen fuel plus oxygen, by electrolysis. So you equip your car with a wind turbine or a solar panel to keep the battery charged and carry a robust electrolysis hydrogen generator. There's actually cars that do this already. Stan Meyer's was the first. He was assassinated. watch?v=Jivb7lupDNU
FIAT = Fix It Again Tony. Typical (fellow) American dolts, they haven't a clue. It is people like these two that clearly show us why the US is a year or so from deservedly being a third world country.
Electric cars are not a joke, they are not a scam, you are simply not educated on the uses of them.
Ok. Here is the information that you are missing regarding electric cars. You are not going to get rid of your gasoline car. You are going to simply add an electric car for commuting and commuting only. Its not for cross country driving and being car.enthusiasts I cant believe your un-thought out comments. Please educate yourselves.
@OCPUNK At some point EVs WILL have to be used for cross country driving,
and people WILL have to get rid of their gasoline car,
when oil runs out. Please educate yourself even further.
Gas-powered cars and trucks would never survive long trips without the infrastructure build to support them. EVs are no different. All vehicles will run out of power without refueling or recharging. The difference is: solar and wind power will last a LOT longer than oil.
I was expecting these guys to make no sense considering the comments below but actually I found them quite educated. They'r right on many levels about electric cars.
@EatmyDust1311 considering the shelby appears to be made of plastic
and the veyron is a 250+ mph castle, the original veyron was two tonnes of luxury, the new veyron smashed the shelby in top speed too so now bugatti have the world record back, and how dies the shelby handle better? you americans dont know what handling means, you think it means flying planes into your own buildings.
an electric engine is the future of cars... it is possible to get 90% + efficiency with an electric car... I don't care if it costs more for now, but in mid term or long term it IS definitely the future of cars. 288 HP out of a watermelon-sized engine....Send all those V8 V6 4 Cylinders, supercharged turbocharged Fossile energy powerred engines.....to DEATH and metal recycling
heres some technology for ya, rumor has it Ford is coming out with an electric car that can be controlled with a wii game system........No really it must be true....I over heard it from a guy who works as a janitor at a movie theatre where ford execs go with their mistrisses....seriously!
150 miles on one charge? Umm, will it take 150 hours? You can make 150 miles in one charge, if you're going downhill the whole way with gravity's assistance. How legitimate is that? I plan on making electric race-cars that compete against gasoline cars, but there are problems with that.
No nonsense? Please. They smoke off the same crack pipe. Here's an idea for states with different emissions, aka California. Our corporation set the standard to U.S. standard. Not good enough? Tough shit! No new cars for your asses!!!
These guys should just go to a bar and talk about stuff they don't know anything about instead of doing it sitting 20 feet apart with a couple of cameras.
What a bunch of rap and bullshit. I know 2 people that own Tesla Roadsters, and they never have one problem. Over a year without one problem and not wasting money on 91 octane is unheard of for any automaker. Money in your pocket. The worthless opinion of these are completely worthless. I didn't hear one funny joke, but these fake ass Beavis and Butthead wanna be douche bags laugh at their unfunny garbage. Fail
LMFAO! Anyone who has done even the most limited research into EV's can pick their blinkered arguments apart with ease. Also, why is it okay to pay $70000+ more for a petrol sports car, such as a Ferrari or Aston Martin, that's faster than the one next to it but not okay to pay $70000 more for an electric car that gets better MPG and creates less CO2? Why is one set of values worth paying for and another not?
You guys know absolutely NOTHING about electric cars. You're ignorant and find stupid excuses to explain what you think you know. Way to go show the world how dumb you are.
Yes, I believe that they will build a car that will go 150 miles per hour and charge the battery in 10 minutes about the same time that Lindsey Lohan becomes the spokeperson for AA and is a model citizen for all young adults.
The American car companies never could get it right & now they're trying to change their wayward ways. Figure about 10 to 15 more years of hype before we will see something significant. Till then, it's all smoke and mirrors aka HYPE!!!
Guys, have either of you driven a Tesla? I drive my Roadster Sport every day and never get concerned about range. Will either of you ever have the earning capacity to afford a car like the Tesla? Not likely. Hold onto your greasy, opec loving and slow gas powered cars.
These guys are just afraid of what they dont know. Id much rather have a tesla roadster that can kick the ass of almost any internal combustion powered car and still average and equivalent of 100mpg. and about 25MPG with the pedal to the floor for the entire charge. I love muscle cars but the pros of these new EV's are impossible to deny.
@fermionsandbosons I stand by my comment. The government will not allow the number of power plants needed to charge these cars. Besides your just moving the pollution down stream to a central location for governmtn central control and taxation. Dont get me wrong, I want a Practical e-car for myself, just not dependence on a company to provide the power. Fear Big Electricity.
These dorks obviously haven't watched "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
and I am embarrassed to say I watched this to the end!! what works for them is meeting high school kids at car events? How creepy and perverted!!! ew ew ew!!!
Major cities suffer power problems due to lack of generation and now I am expected to get home at the end of the day and plug my car into the grid. Where is this extra electricity gonna come from? Most of the green weenie's power schemes involve pulling electricity out of their asses.
Yes, Yes, and Yes on the last one. They do have a battery that will charge in 10 minutes, but it's soooooo very new, so they say, more like 20 years old! So sure, 210mph, 150 mile range and 10 minute charge time, but not 150 miles going at 210 mph while trying to charge, hehe
Maybe 10 on a 400+volt charger. That's not practical since most homes in the states get no more than 220 volts form the power line for large appliances. You will need a large charger with an amplifier and very large compasitors to make this work. No practical in any way. We are talking industrial grade electrical equipment. It would not even be safe to ahve in your home/garage.
what a couple of jackass windbags orally manipulating each other ...ha ha ha you guys are so damn funny you crack each other up, these guys acting like experts is a joke! Look up Ni Me H battery technology. it works, too bad Chevron/Texaco owns the paten.
Have you done a show on the Automotive X Prize? Winner gets $ ten million. Cars must be capable of getting 100 + miles per gallon (or its energy equivalent). Other criteria include: emissions, performance, safety, utility, and feasability (business plan to prove that they can produce 10,000 or more of those cars for the automotive marketplace). 111 teams have been registered, representing 11 countries, 136 vehicles and 14 different fuel sources: 32 EVs, 47 hybrids, 3 hydrogen, 23 gas...
Update re Tesla's sales figures. You jokingly said they have "sold 12 hahaha". June 2nd Tesla celebrated the delivery of their 500th roadster and has ramped up its production to over 100 roadsters per month. Also, they received over 500 deposits ($5K each) within the first week (total 1,200 as of June 9th) of announcing the new for 2011, Tesla S Model Sedan; 300 mile range, quick charge in 45 minutes or a battery pack swap in 5 minutes. Check out betterplacedotcom for swap infrastructure info
Happily, these two guys are NOT in charge of the future of car technology. They are nay-saying knuckle-draggers.
Listen to their dialog. "I don't know...yuk-yuk-yuk." What is their credentials? The ability to walk upright for short distances?
They like to yuk-it-up, but offer no solutions. I am so glad there ARE smart people working on exciting, green solutions; while these two clowns have another beer.
Generators more efficient to get your electricity than plugging it in , no power lines , not as much tax... cause its taxes HUGELY.
And also less wasteful , burn coal and waste it in tranmission of long distances..
Generator , with electric motor... Highest efficiency were going to get , best gas mileage , best performance , more reliability I wish I was rich , I wish I had a government grant and a windtunnel , along with materials.
they only make improvements for money big steps not little
You know what ........ In no upcoming time , will we have a reliable , great performance car that gets good mileage. Unless I get the money to do it lol.
Car companies are stupid , their marketing gimicks just about money.
Ok , electric motors are more efficient than gas , Ok..
power plants are LESS efficient than making your own electricity from a generator.
Why the fuck , do we make full gas , and full electric.. or hybrids that run half engine to go and half electric to go..
today , ICE cars are almost to their maximum of what they can give. after about 100 years of technologie advancing. They will NOT get better. the industry of the electric cars started working a few ago and is already very close to the ICE cars performances. Except for the range, you can give them 5 years and you will get ranges of 200+ miles range cars that charge as fast as gasoline cars.
It's not hard to make a 200 mph electric car go 200 miles on a charge. The problem is trying to go 200 miles at 200 mph. Using the Tesla as an example, if you use it as a daily driver, it will get 100 - 150 miles on a charge depending on how you drive it.
5 minute quick charge is not impossible either, but you would need special chargers that are not part of the car. This is a moot point though. Anyone would be happy with an 8 hr 200 mile charge, as long as they aren't on a road trip.
If they really can achieve those numbers, i don't think you can charge "your" electric SSC at home...you just can't get enough power in such a short period! and if you can, i have an advice, stay away from the car while it's charging!!
The SSC claim is confounding. I see no reason for them to lie but on the same token no battery company anywhere has any batteries (current or planned in the near future) that can do this...
About the charge time... it all depends on the outlet. If you plug it into a 220v OFOURSE its not gonna charge in that time. If you plug it into Hover dam, it will charge in 0,001 second:)
But I dont get why its so much hate on the mileage. I mean how many people drive 200 miles per day? And you sleep for 8 fucking hours. What's the rush? Oh yeah.. that 1 time a year you travel far.. combine it with lunch!
This is the two biggest V8 sound loving persons ever :) , what if we give them an electric car that sounds as a sharp -71 V8 iron, I bet they shit their pants when they push the padle. Giving them the kick that ONLY an electric motor are able to do, the batteries are here so skip this shit guys... Of course guys, that shelby made car are able to beat the shit out of basically anything put beside.
These guys are ignorants...about electric car technology. EV1 was a usable car that was put away. Computers 20 years ago were slow and big, look now they are small and fast. I we focus in developing battery technology in about 10 years, electric cars will have the same range and similar range as gas cars.
But, as of now they aren't worth buying due to way too short range, way too long charging time, they overheat if driven too hard, and cost way more than they should!
the average commuting distance to work in the US is 29miles (RT). We dont need racing machines to transport us, so we dont need to drive'm hard. We are trying to solve transportation issues. Yes if you buying a tesla YES is expensive. I reconditoned a GEO metro with an electric motor Lead acid batteries it (96v) it gives me a range of about 40miles.... my commute top work is 20miles RT. It works for me it should work for a great portion of the population. YES it not for everyone for now.
100mpg are you serious? The government regs to cert a car these days is 500 thousand per model. Just what we need more 12 more regulations, you dum dems should destroy the auto industy in about 2 years.
i dont know if ssc can actually pull that off. the 210 mph top speed is feasible and the 150 mile range is do-able. but charging a battery that fast is just a crazy amount of heat transfer. the only feasible way for them to do that is to have a huge bank of heavy capacitor's that can discharge at a snails pace and charge to full capacity in a snap. which would still produce tons of thermal energy transfer, but then again maybe they know somthing i dont know. farah u blow.... hahaha jk
It doesn't sound like they spent much time researching battery technology. There is battery technology available that allows for a fast recharge times. AltairNano being one, has tested a 35 kWh battery pack that can be charged in ten minutes. However to do this requires a high voltage charger.
I do agree with the presenters about EV cars being to expensive. The gm-volt is a great concept car that gives you the best of both worlds, but who wants to pay $40,000 for an economy car?
thise batters are real...i work first hand with the chargers and battery systems...there is talk going on inside my compainy if putting the batterys and chargers inside the new chevy volt and offspring
Carol Shelby has a long history of B.S. When he came out with the AC Cobra, he photographed the same car re-painted several times to give the Ford the impression he had more of them than he did. Shelby is a great salesman. If he says his electric car will go 200, he's getting press.
I really do hope that the capitalist system works it 's magic here and eliminates the weakest link. It will create a vacuum in the market that will allow smaller upstart firms like Zap, Tesla and Phoenix grab the market share.
As far as the the emission standards... allowing states to set better standards than the national level will only help in the long run. The auto makers got to comfortable and slacked off. Now they want our help... GM had 10 years to think about the EV market since the EV1... it is foolish to think that the whole market for EVs is dead after one limited and poorly run effort.
EV tech is still an early adopter thing. Yes, there is allot of green washing going on.. however, 2nd gen hybrids will be the stepping stone until the battery tech improves.
Chrysler just failed... when the public wants and need more fuel efficient cars.. what do they do.. bring back the Hemi?!!? and build Muscle car remakes! FAIL!
Hypothetically say they use a million little sub-c nimh cells. One cell can easily be charged in 10 minutes, ask any rc car enthusiast. The problem is that you would need the same amount of charge limiting chips as there are cells to cut the charge to each cell exactly when it's full not to over charge them. Most ev's group cells together so some may become over or under charged. But yes you can charge a car in 10 minutes but you may need a 440+ volt outlet to do it depending on pack capacity.
An american company (BetterPlace) is right now planning to set up "hotspots" all over Denmark (Country in Scandinavia) were you can CHANGE your batteries for the car in less than 5 minutes without even getting out of your car. Truth is that driving a EV doesn't really differ so much from a ordinary car. And it will meet the needs of ordinary driving at a much lower cost. I dont think they did their research properly.
Not so many companies yet im afraid. But the estimate is About 5-6 companies will have some models ready when the infrastructure is in place (in 2012). Especially Nissan/Renault are agressive in their efforts producing enough output to the meet the demand in time. I hope a lot of manufactures will do the same so that when its ready there will be a variety of models on the market. I also hope other countries will follow so that you are not limited by structural borders eg travel all over Europe.
Today's home PC is more powerful than when the computer was invented that filled an entire room and is a fraction of the size. My point is EV technology is moving fast and the gas powered cars are just not. Today's cars should be getting 100mpg with less emissions. Not everyone takes roads trips every week or month. Why all the critism and put downs. These guy's are just afraid of the economics when they really have nothing to worry about. People will still build gas powered cars.
@Garage419 The benefits of owning an EV far outweigh the problem of having to rent or own a separate car to dirve long distances. I dont know about you, but I dont like changing gears all the time (though I love it when driving a car quickly), changing oil, filters, clutches, stopping at gas stations, polluting, paying too much for gas, and all the other BS that one has to put up with when driving an ICE powered vehicle on a daily basis. Like it or not, EVs are the future and they will dominate.
@FreeMTrider .. the point is .. you wouldn't have to charge it every night .. what if you forget to put it on charge , and the next day break down half way to work (where there is no way to charge it) ... thats not dumb !!!!!
these people are so stupid; the internal combustion engine has been around over 100 years and the best they can do is get to 50 miles to a gallon on slow cars, and what a couple miles to the gallon for the fast cars they review.
We have to start somewhere to improve an electric car. give the electric car 20-30 years and it will far exceed anything the gas powered cars ever did.
Yes batteries do exist with that incredible performance and the ability to charge fully in 8 minutes. So yes they "can be charged in 10 minutes" The problem is it would take more energy than 5 houses could product in order to charge them that quickly. The batteries work great though. I crank my 202cc 2 stroke with 12oz of them.
I mean fifty to a hundred years from now could we find ourselves looking back on the modern hybrid and lithium powered electric cars and say that we should have gone with bio-diesel until hydrogen became a more viable option?
hydrogen is a rediculous idea. 3X the energy put into producing a single unit of energy output. You can't store it. Every material we use to store the stuff breaks down on the molecular level over time. it's corrosive you could say. Lets see it's dangerous to re-fuel with. people can barely put a nozzle in a hole and squeeze a trigger.. how are they going to connect a high pressure extreme temperature fuel to their vehical safely. PS. currently the hydrogen systems are 300-500K per vehical.
Thank you for underscoring my point btwbrand. Hydrogen should be the best solution overall but we don't have the technology to take advantage of it. I have looked up lithium batteries though and they appear to not pollute. That makes me think the best stop gap is bio-diesel/electric. But later down the line we will probably find out that lithium batteries do pollute, or that because of human produced global warming we reduced the length and severity of a periodic ice age.
Lithium does appear to not pollute. Till you need to replace them. You can't recycle the lithium efficently, making the sollution to a replacement the mining of more lithium. Nickle cadnium batteries have the same problem, Theres not alot of cadnium laying around, and it's toxic. Nickel metal hydryde( though not as energy dense) seems to be a good middle ground. They are very easy to recycle into another battery. Hydrogen is cool but it's stalled out for now. I can buy batteries I can't buy H.
Good points. Personally I don't like batteries, we use too many as it is. Applying them en masse for every power need will eventually lead to a bigger problem later down the road. One often over looked problem with all batteries and pollution is the mining of the materials used to make the batteries. For the time being when it comes to the human need for power and life's need for a clean environment, we seem to just sweep the mess from under one rug only to hide it under another.
I have issues with electric cars. 1> They take too long to recharge. So no cross country treks with them. 2> What happens to the batteries when they will no longer take a charge? You know they will end up in a dump somewhere and could cause environmental damage. Even if you recyle them could that not produce undesireable byproducts? 3> What are the long term environmental impacts from mining the materials used to make the batteries? 4> What are the byproducts of the actual battery manufacture?
if they have the battery tech we would all know about it already... a supercar company didn't come up with the savior battery... to run the two 500hp engines there looking at two huge battery packs that would add a lot of weight to the car... im sure it could be done and im sure its feasible but the weight would probabally keep it from topping much over 220mph... which is still ridiculious... so long story short the could do the speed not the tech...
i wonder if you guys are idiots or know that you are in denial. just because the combustion engine has been popular for so long, doesnt mean it is the best platform. Most people cant see out of their own spectrum. And how much money has research for the combustion engine had over say the electric.. yet there are some extremely competitive electric vehicles around with that in mind.
Well, we know the SSC is all about exclusivity & could only be bought by a rich fat cat. Now, because the battery is one the biggest expenses of an EV, a fat cat isnt gonna care how much it costs. SO, if the car came with 2 batteries then its possible, with some creative engineering, that they could change it in 10 minutes & essentially recharge the car really fast. Possibility? Hummmm
Altairnano ;) You need a base station to charge them in 10 min though. Their lifespan is alot more than standard lithium. (over 10 000 charges) and is more firesafe. In Norway there is one of these base stations and a electric car with altairnano batteries. Seems like it works pretty good for them.
I'm not saying it's impossible for the battery or motor.. It's the charge time and distance between charge.. that are the stretch... if they said something along the lines of have a quick removable battery the can be changed in 10mins that would be more believable
LMAO. good points in the show matt. Shelby is crazy to propose the battery.... twin 500hp motors amounts to about 745.7 Kw of power @ 200 mph is possible.. but that would mean there running extreme voltages. 48v+. and get this for it to run\n that distance (150miles) the battery would have to weigh at least a Megagram or Kiloton (whatever the meteric weight for ton is). to charge all those amps in 10 mins would be an explsoin hazard for get the fires. this is ball park btw but yall get the idea.
I had this discussion with a few people earlier this week. And I don't think that SSC can fulfill their promises about an 210mph electric car that can charge in 10 minutes. with that much power, could even the 220v high amperage outlets found in a house deliver the kind of amperage nessesary to charge a battery like that in 10 minutes? I don't think even upcoming battery technology can handle charge rates like that.
I believe 210mph electric is possible, but not 10 minutes to charge it.
The first one wasn't wrong, you just made the mistake of believing a manufacturer's claim, which is always a mistake. If something else is wrong, and clearly stated as fact and not satire, I'd like to hear it.
When you say "treated" water what can that mean? I'm sure we could use simple distilled water for electrolysis. I even heard of the idea of companies using Dihydroxides. That would make more sense because you'd get more BANG. And it could be governed more stringently because Dihydroxides aren't naturally occuring compounds so they could control the distribution better than using simple H20. I heard that they could make the electro systmes too weak to fully electrolyze H2O, but can separate 2H2O.
Hydrogen has been around since at least the 70's. Watch Jack Nicholson introduce a hydrogen car in 1978 on youtube. It ran on regular water. However; the gov't doesn't like when the population isn't controlled by them and need us to plug into lobbyist's pockets. So they launched test projects in Japan (on a small island). They use "heavy water". Not good.
If water becomes the new oil, we are all fucked.
The 1998 EV1 ran over 120miles/charge and could top speeds of 65+mph
That is true that water could become the new oil, but that's almost impossible being that water is way too abundant to be controlled that way. So I guess you're in agreement of biodiesel being the best choice?
What do you feel about burning biodiesel, and hydrogen? both have combustion engines that only emit either water, or or unharmful natural gases, and never have to charge. Nor would you have to change the infrastructure of America for them to work. They can use already existing gas stations and allow those who own them to stay in work. Also America being the worlds largest provider of corn and ethanol could really help America's economy. What are your thoughts?
I agree we should invest more into Biodiesels and hydrogen. I'd say Biodiesels would be better because they cost alot less to make. You don't have to split molecules just to get some small fragment of pure hydrogen to burn. Also Diesels are just awesome. I'm ready for a sick ass Turbo diesel. Also, the US is the largest grower of corn and ethanol, which we could sell to places like Japan and China to inject some money into our economy again.
Biodiesels are ethanol based fuels. Made from corn and rice and anythng you can make alcohol with. When it runs out you find fertile land and grow some more. that's the best thing about it as long as Earth can produce vegetables it can produce biodiesel.
Also, let me put it to you like this. If there are 100 Million cars on American roads today, what if they were ALL electric and everynight they ALL had to be charged from an outlet in your house. Where do you think this electricity is coming from? POWER PLANTS! So we'll be using just as much coal to power our cars as we were using Petroleum which only adds to the problem. That's like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
What doesn't work like that. OUt of all things said on this video I need more clarification as to what you are refering to. And WHY you say it doesn't work.
koukicrisp, solar power is coming a long ways and there are some companies offering solar technology that is affordable. We won't need to use petroleum or coal to power our electric cars.
Dr Jill Stein for President 2012!
mphello 1 week ago
Just reading the notes made me not watch the video.
No need for anyone to listen to these brainless shitheads who know nothing about reality.
I bet these assholes deny the proven fact that we're now 6 years past global peak oil production, so oil prices will only rise from now on.
I'll bet these morons also deny the proven fact of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).
mphello 1 week ago
ok ... still loving their mustangs, pussy!!! (with petrol station on your ass)
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I wouldn't want to be pretentious... Because I'm like so up to date with battery technology. Neither of these guys could drive an anything by Shelby Super Cars or ever will.
onesexymonkeyful 5 months ago
i clicked on this because of the stig in the thumbnail...
shobin05 6 months ago
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What is the IQ of this guys. So typical US style: Me first and to the rest of the world I give don´t give a shit.
BastuGrabben 6 months ago
What is the IQ of this guys. So typical US style: Me first and the rest of the world I give don´t give a shit.
BastuGrabben 6 months ago 2
What is the IQ of this guys. So typical US style: Me first and the rest of the world I give do´t give a shit.
BastuGrabben 6 months ago
wtf!!
mcjhon018 6 months ago
then suck your gasoline burning car exhaust then tell me how it feels jerks
why do you have to reach 1000mph are you going to the moon?
sacyumagi 6 months ago 3
i dont get it, what a fee-awht?
japanesetoast 7 months ago
The thing I never understood is the logic behind electric cars. Unless your electricity is generated my wind farms or hydroelectric dams, which I'm sure it isn't, you aren't doing dick for the planet. You're just indirectly creating emissions by using electricity generated by coal burning power plants or maybe a nuclear one, but that is less likely. Is burning coal better for the environment than burning gasoline? Because if it isn't, it's time to go back to the drawing board.
IdRatherYouDidnt 7 months ago
Hydrogen fuel is the key to clean exhaust. Hydrogen can be had from water by electrolysis. Burning hydrogen in an oxygen rich atmosphere yields pure water. That's the exhaust from an internal combustion engine by burning hydrogen is nothing but pure water. Plus it cleans the engine. Today's ICE's are able to burn hydrogen as fuel without any modifications, apart from fuel tank and that gets hooked up to the existing air inlet with a simple splitter hose.
danielvincentkelley 7 months ago
except hydrogen is very explosive
EpicEudy 6 months ago
Hydrogen on demand is how you avoid the explosion issue. You carry your hydrogen attached to oxygen molecules 2 to 1. That's called water. Water plus an electrolyte, say baking soda, easily splits into hydrogen fuel plus oxygen, by electrolysis. So you equip your car with a wind turbine or a solar panel to keep the battery charged and carry a robust electrolysis hydrogen generator. There's actually cars that do this already. Stan Meyer's was the first. He was assassinated. watch?v=Jivb7lupDNU
danielvincentkelley 6 months ago
Garage419 sux
fuck3r1 7 months ago
fuck these two guys so annoyying
mvallee112 7 months ago
What about the Clarity? Hydrogen fuel-cell?
bajsbajs1com 8 months ago
This is sad. There are people all over the world demonstrating their ignorance regarding ECO-Technology. Posting it online is even sadder.
I now there is free will, but having a right is different than having a responsability or obligation.
This is ridiculous.
01maple 8 months ago 3
They do a good job READING, Ha Ha Ha. Screwy n Louie
scoobydog411 8 months ago
top gear (uk) is much better than these to fools
dylanemmanuel100 9 months ago
Back two years ago, I'd have to say, you are primitive. Have you changed your mind yet?
maugustyniak 10 months ago
do you Remember when you could watch a video without having to sit through a commercial?
Remember when music videos were uploaded by users and not VEVO
Remember when all the info was to the right of the video?
Remember you could rate a video 1-5 stars?
Remember the famous yellow subscribe button?
Remember when the users controlled the site and now corporations?
Post this in every video and lets start a youtube revolution!
Thumbs up to keep at the top of the page!!!
THEkrazyBOY2596 10 months ago 4
but what about when the batterys need replacing? the chemicals in these new batterys are probably more harmfull than petrol cars
mailmanbam 10 months ago
@mailmanbam The batteries are recycled today, and they will continue to be recycled when they are more prevelant in EVs
sigfx 8 months ago
FIAT = Fix It Again Tony. Typical (fellow) American dolts, they haven't a clue. It is people like these two that clearly show us why the US is a year or so from deservedly being a third world country.
barto11000 10 months ago
Electric cars are not a joke, they are not a scam, you are simply not educated on the uses of them.
Ok. Here is the information that you are missing regarding electric cars. You are not going to get rid of your gasoline car. You are going to simply add an electric car for commuting and commuting only. Its not for cross country driving and being car.enthusiasts I cant believe your un-thought out comments. Please educate yourselves.
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OCPUNK 11 months ago 2
@OCPUNK At some point EVs WILL have to be used for cross country driving,
and people WILL have to get rid of their gasoline car,
when oil runs out. Please educate yourself even further.
Gas-powered cars and trucks would never survive long trips without the infrastructure build to support them. EVs are no different. All vehicles will run out of power without refueling or recharging. The difference is: solar and wind power will last a LOT longer than oil.
mphello 1 week ago
SHUT UP!!!
Krazedmadman1 11 months ago
I was expecting these guys to make no sense considering the comments below but actually I found them quite educated. They'r right on many levels about electric cars.
EssexMustang 1 year ago
the veyron creams the shelby in every way
cheshiregangsta 1 year ago
@cheshiregangsta yes, minus acceleration, price, power, handling, top speed and ride comfort
EatmyDust1311 11 months ago
@EatmyDust1311 considering the shelby appears to be made of plastic
and the veyron is a 250+ mph castle, the original veyron was two tonnes of luxury, the new veyron smashed the shelby in top speed too so now bugatti have the world record back, and how dies the shelby handle better? you americans dont know what handling means, you think it means flying planes into your own buildings.
yes i said it
deal with it
cheshiregangsta 11 months ago
thumbs up if you keep playing from 4:55
TheMielly 1 year ago
stop rambling you uneducated fuck's you are still a fucking moran and u will never anything about cars
zero3146 1 year ago
can i been paid to say bullshit too?
captaingreek 1 year ago
an electric engine is the future of cars... it is possible to get 90% + efficiency with an electric car... I don't care if it costs more for now, but in mid term or long term it IS definitely the future of cars. 288 HP out of a watermelon-sized engine....Send all those V8 V6 4 Cylinders, supercharged turbocharged Fossile energy powerred engines.....to DEATH and metal recycling
RaphProgListener 1 year ago 2
Thumbs up if ur sick of poxy ads before u watch clips!
reilly2anto 1 year ago
heres some technology for ya, rumor has it Ford is coming out with an electric car that can be controlled with a wii game system........No really it must be true....I over heard it from a guy who works as a janitor at a movie theatre where ford execs go with their mistrisses....seriously!
aggrobob79 1 year ago
these guys should get a real job. it is just annoying >:/
crygmn09 1 year ago
Who is the Stig?
That question is fuckin' X( me.
xGiKx 1 year ago
@xGiKx the stig is michael schumacher
maxbugatti12345 7 months ago
Are you paid by the oil corporations? ditch oil now, you are supporting the arabs.
Cooriengahadventure 1 year ago
150 miles on one charge? Umm, will it take 150 hours? You can make 150 miles in one charge, if you're going downhill the whole way with gravity's assistance. How legitimate is that? I plan on making electric race-cars that compete against gasoline cars, but there are problems with that.
Funeral4aFan 1 year ago
I can't help but wonder if that is the goofball that crossthreaded the oil drain plug in my '75 Continental MkIV. I am still pissed about that.
Giggledy giggledy. They forgot to mention Chrysler has had a successfull industrial electric vehicle division for decades.
RWRamo 1 year ago
i smell government ass on these two knuckleheads. keep it up turds.
DINGLEtheBERRY 1 year ago
No nonsense? Please. They smoke off the same crack pipe. Here's an idea for states with different emissions, aka California. Our corporation set the standard to U.S. standard. Not good enough? Tough shit! No new cars for your asses!!!
normynoless 1 year ago
These guys are so backward they embrace 100 year old technology,I think full torque at 0 rpm is so much better than a fuel wasting gas guzzler
oldtilter 1 year ago
These guys should just go to a bar and talk about stuff they don't know anything about instead of doing it sitting 20 feet apart with a couple of cameras.
jonh1035 1 year ago
Those two are well stupid: this is what is wrong with america!!
manezz82 1 year ago
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These guys suck!
alfredobrown 1 year ago
What a bunch of rap and bullshit. I know 2 people that own Tesla Roadsters, and they never have one problem. Over a year without one problem and not wasting money on 91 octane is unheard of for any automaker. Money in your pocket. The worthless opinion of these are completely worthless. I didn't hear one funny joke, but these fake ass Beavis and Butthead wanna be douche bags laugh at their unfunny garbage. Fail
juno4000 1 year ago
@juno4000 the tesla is a lotus that costs 70k more, thats a lot of gas money
EatmyDust1311 1 year ago
LMFAO! Anyone who has done even the most limited research into EV's can pick their blinkered arguments apart with ease. Also, why is it okay to pay $70000+ more for a petrol sports car, such as a Ferrari or Aston Martin, that's faster than the one next to it but not okay to pay $70000 more for an electric car that gets better MPG and creates less CO2? Why is one set of values worth paying for and another not?
peterknight183 1 year ago
You guys know absolutely NOTHING about electric cars. You're ignorant and find stupid excuses to explain what you think you know. Way to go show the world how dumb you are.
ElectricRoadster 1 year ago 2
@ElectricRoadster Great comment! (from over a year ago - I apologize)
mphello 1 week ago
The 67 dislikes are Obama lovers!
enforcer2011 1 year ago
"they aren't advanced enough to exist" is wrong... i would say "you aren't advanced enough to get one"
TheSazies 1 year ago 4
Yes, I believe that they will build a car that will go 150 miles per hour and charge the battery in 10 minutes about the same time that Lindsey Lohan becomes the spokeperson for AA and is a model citizen for all young adults.
The American car companies never could get it right & now they're trying to change their wayward ways. Figure about 10 to 15 more years of hype before we will see something significant. Till then, it's all smoke and mirrors aka HYPE!!!
REMEMBER THE GM DIESEL FIASCO?
wildimaginations 1 year ago
Guys, have either of you driven a Tesla? I drive my Roadster Sport every day and never get concerned about range. Will either of you ever have the earning capacity to afford a car like the Tesla? Not likely. Hold onto your greasy, opec loving and slow gas powered cars.
masterskenneth 1 year ago 3
Tesla is ugly imho.
gorillagirlgorilla 1 year ago
These guys are just afraid of what they dont know. Id much rather have a tesla roadster that can kick the ass of almost any internal combustion powered car and still average and equivalent of 100mpg. and about 25MPG with the pedal to the floor for the entire charge. I love muscle cars but the pros of these new EV's are impossible to deny.
burninrock24 1 year ago
@fermionsandbosons I stand by my comment. The government will not allow the number of power plants needed to charge these cars. Besides your just moving the pollution down stream to a central location for governmtn central control and taxation. Dont get me wrong, I want a Practical e-car for myself, just not dependence on a company to provide the power. Fear Big Electricity.
supressorgrid 1 year ago
These guys are f*ckin retarted..
MrMatz45 1 year ago
capacitor battery.
NickBlackDIN 1 year ago
These dorks obviously haven't watched "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
and I am embarrassed to say I watched this to the end!! what works for them is meeting high school kids at car events? How creepy and perverted!!! ew ew ew!!!
naughtynumber9 1 year ago
Major cities suffer power problems due to lack of generation and now I am expected to get home at the end of the day and plug my car into the grid. Where is this extra electricity gonna come from? Most of the green weenie's power schemes involve pulling electricity out of their asses.
supressorgrid 1 year ago
Top Gear FTW
More action less talking ... Well they do talk too much but they give a good show.
TarikuKunn 1 year ago
fuck youtube
idontcare80 1 year ago
Aptera guys. Educate yourselves first, talk afterwords.
vlweb3d 1 year ago
The Stig could be Graham Hill, because even tho he has been dead for 35 years, he can still drive better than you lot.
ebutemetube 1 year ago 2
its not about saving the plant you dumb fucks. the earth only has a finite amount of crude oil.
kyleisreallycool 1 year ago 3
Matt Farah should watch Top Gear. He don't anything about any European cars, besides some of them are fast.
mzb007 1 year ago 2
these assholes are sitting next to eachother. why make it seem like they're in two locations??
pzpepsi 1 year ago 23
The Car that its Battery's charge in ten Minutes the Plates are separated by Carbon Nanon Tube Separators.
and Thees guys have to Be Republican and Oil Company Plants.
Come on guys this is Garage 419
JustinJJHCS1 2 years ago 2
Now, now. I don't like Obama either, but I'm all for the electric car.
TakayaFreeman 1 year ago
You guys suck hella DICK!
KawiDS 2 years ago 4
I wonder if these ...holes know that they don't know what they are talking about.
dekeludwig 2 years ago
i find it hard to beliv that these idiots made money in the first place...
flyingnooblet 2 years ago 4
1 star..would have choosen 0 but 1 will do for these fucktards
Nichen 2 years ago 3
Estaria guapo que les atropellara un Rav4 Ev o echaran una carrera con sus pateticos coches al Ultimate Aero Ev.
hanscoslada 2 years ago
thats not a panda...
antiLeixo 2 years ago
Yes, Yes, and Yes on the last one. They do have a battery that will charge in 10 minutes, but it's soooooo very new, so they say, more like 20 years old! So sure, 210mph, 150 mile range and 10 minute charge time, but not 150 miles going at 210 mph while trying to charge, hehe
Ok, I am ready for my bashings! Bring it!
HostileHST 2 years ago
Maybe 10 on a 400+volt charger. That's not practical since most homes in the states get no more than 220 volts form the power line for large appliances. You will need a large charger with an amplifier and very large compasitors to make this work. No practical in any way. We are talking industrial grade electrical equipment. It would not even be safe to ahve in your home/garage.
cbremer83 2 years ago
these two talk so much shit
parce86 2 years ago 41
Is that your professional opinion or just so much piss and wind?
cecilbdml 2 years ago
the former one...
parce86 2 years ago
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jaja327 2 years ago
what a couple of jackass windbags orally manipulating each other ...ha ha ha you guys are so damn funny you crack each other up, these guys acting like experts is a joke! Look up Ni Me H battery technology. it works, too bad Chevron/Texaco owns the paten.
notmycupotea 2 years ago 5
Chrystler sucks!
Lamnont 2 years ago
Fuck you
Lamnont 2 years ago
Have you done a show on the Automotive X Prize? Winner gets $ ten million. Cars must be capable of getting 100 + miles per gallon (or its energy equivalent). Other criteria include: emissions, performance, safety, utility, and feasability (business plan to prove that they can produce 10,000 or more of those cars for the automotive marketplace). 111 teams have been registered, representing 11 countries, 136 vehicles and 14 different fuel sources: 32 EVs, 47 hybrids, 3 hydrogen, 23 gas...
SideburnerSol 2 years ago
Update re Tesla's sales figures. You jokingly said they have "sold 12 hahaha". June 2nd Tesla celebrated the delivery of their 500th roadster and has ramped up its production to over 100 roadsters per month. Also, they received over 500 deposits ($5K each) within the first week (total 1,200 as of June 9th) of announcing the new for 2011, Tesla S Model Sedan; 300 mile range, quick charge in 45 minutes or a battery pack swap in 5 minutes. Check out betterplacedotcom for swap infrastructure info
SideburnerSol 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
unions fucked up education and the american auto industry.
fcabido 2 years ago
Happily, these two guys are NOT in charge of the future of car technology. They are nay-saying knuckle-draggers.
Listen to their dialog. "I don't know...yuk-yuk-yuk." What is their credentials? The ability to walk upright for short distances?
They like to yuk-it-up, but offer no solutions. I am so glad there ARE smart people working on exciting, green solutions; while these two clowns have another beer.
ELECTECHNUT 2 years ago
Generators more efficient to get your electricity than plugging it in , no power lines , not as much tax... cause its taxes HUGELY.
And also less wasteful , burn coal and waste it in tranmission of long distances..
Generator , with electric motor... Highest efficiency were going to get , best gas mileage , best performance , more reliability I wish I was rich , I wish I had a government grant and a windtunnel , along with materials.
they only make improvements for money big steps not little
zantyr 2 years ago
You know what ........ In no upcoming time , will we have a reliable , great performance car that gets good mileage. Unless I get the money to do it lol.
Car companies are stupid , their marketing gimicks just about money.
Ok , electric motors are more efficient than gas , Ok..
power plants are LESS efficient than making your own electricity from a generator.
Why the fuck , do we make full gas , and full electric.. or hybrids that run half engine to go and half electric to go..
zantyr 2 years ago
@Garage 419
today , ICE cars are almost to their maximum of what they can give. after about 100 years of technologie advancing. They will NOT get better. the industry of the electric cars started working a few ago and is already very close to the ICE cars performances. Except for the range, you can give them 5 years and you will get ranges of 200+ miles range cars that charge as fast as gasoline cars.
Stay tuned. The new stuff is coming.
Drag226 2 years ago
It's not hard to make a 200 mph electric car go 200 miles on a charge. The problem is trying to go 200 miles at 200 mph. Using the Tesla as an example, if you use it as a daily driver, it will get 100 - 150 miles on a charge depending on how you drive it.
5 minute quick charge is not impossible either, but you would need special chargers that are not part of the car. This is a moot point though. Anyone would be happy with an 8 hr 200 mile charge, as long as they aren't on a road trip.
kaje01 2 years ago
If they really can achieve those numbers, i don't think you can charge "your" electric SSC at home...you just can't get enough power in such a short period! and if you can, i have an advice, stay away from the car while it's charging!!
kounista 2 years ago
The SSC claim is confounding. I see no reason for them to lie but on the same token no battery company anywhere has any batteries (current or planned in the near future) that can do this...
r00tcause 2 years ago
To the question at the end:
I have dont doubt the performance figures.
About the charge time... it all depends on the outlet. If you plug it into a 220v OFOURSE its not gonna charge in that time. If you plug it into Hover dam, it will charge in 0,001 second:)
But I dont get why its so much hate on the mileage. I mean how many people drive 200 miles per day? And you sleep for 8 fucking hours. What's the rush? Oh yeah.. that 1 time a year you travel far.. combine it with lunch!
jotunPIKK 2 years ago
This is the two biggest V8 sound loving persons ever :) , what if we give them an electric car that sounds as a sharp -71 V8 iron, I bet they shit their pants when they push the padle. Giving them the kick that ONLY an electric motor are able to do, the batteries are here so skip this shit guys... Of course guys, that shelby made car are able to beat the shit out of basically anything put beside.
SUPERPOKE123 2 years ago
Fiat makes good cars
opdmza 2 years ago
For 20 minutes through till you hit a speed bump and your exhaust hits the ground =]
joshuagregorio 2 years ago
They may have a battery that can do that, but it would have to cost millions.
fatguyonthc 2 years ago
golf carts have been on the market for how long???
torchmann4801 2 years ago
these guys were educated in a barn shed
michaliscon 2 years ago 31
These guys are ignorants...about electric car technology. EV1 was a usable car that was put away. Computers 20 years ago were slow and big, look now they are small and fast. I we focus in developing battery technology in about 10 years, electric cars will have the same range and similar range as gas cars.
richardriver01 2 years ago 5
But, as of now they aren't worth buying due to way too short range, way too long charging time, they overheat if driven too hard, and cost way more than they should!
zlink8 2 years ago
the average commuting distance to work in the US is 29miles (RT). We dont need racing machines to transport us, so we dont need to drive'm hard. We are trying to solve transportation issues. Yes if you buying a tesla YES is expensive. I reconditoned a GEO metro with an electric motor Lead acid batteries it (96v) it gives me a range of about 40miles.... my commute top work is 20miles RT. It works for me it should work for a great portion of the population. YES it not for everyone for now.
richardriver01 2 years ago
man, do these guys know what they are talking about? this is bullshit they dont know squat bout electric cars?
BeNGALi4LFE 2 years ago 3
you two are clearly ignorant on the state of technology regarding electric cars and batteries...
clevername333 2 years ago 3
Do you people really believe you own BS?
You must have voted for stupid obama.
100mpg are you serious? The government regs to cert a car these days is 500 thousand per model. Just what we need more 12 more regulations, you dum dems should destroy the auto industy in about 2 years.
snowbird6hp 2 years ago
i dont know if ssc can actually pull that off. the 210 mph top speed is feasible and the 150 mile range is do-able. but charging a battery that fast is just a crazy amount of heat transfer. the only feasible way for them to do that is to have a huge bank of heavy capacitor's that can discharge at a snails pace and charge to full capacity in a snap. which would still produce tons of thermal energy transfer, but then again maybe they know somthing i dont know. farah u blow.... hahaha jk
boutdempapers 2 years ago
Google SCIB from Toshiba...
XIHIX 2 years ago
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It doesn't sound like they spent much time researching battery technology. There is battery technology available that allows for a fast recharge times. AltairNano being one, has tested a 35 kWh battery pack that can be charged in ten minutes. However to do this requires a high voltage charger.
I do agree with the presenters about EV cars being to expensive. The gm-volt is a great concept car that gives you the best of both worlds, but who wants to pay $40,000 for an economy car?
s0da72 2 years ago
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s0da72 2 years ago
i think its waste of money and there is no such possibility that a super car can be charged in 10 mins.
mediaman2003 2 years ago
You guys are total morons. are you laughing at yourselves or your lame jokes?
freestylewalka 2 years ago
thise batters are real...i work first hand with the chargers and battery systems...there is talk going on inside my compainy if putting the batterys and chargers inside the new chevy volt and offspring
sarge1905 2 years ago
Carol Shelby has a long history of B.S. When he came out with the AC Cobra, he photographed the same car re-painted several times to give the Ford the impression he had more of them than he did. Shelby is a great salesman. If he says his electric car will go 200, he's getting press.
bonespg1971 2 years ago
I really do hope that the capitalist system works it 's magic here and eliminates the weakest link. It will create a vacuum in the market that will allow smaller upstart firms like Zap, Tesla and Phoenix grab the market share.
Elepski 2 years ago
As far as the the emission standards... allowing states to set better standards than the national level will only help in the long run. The auto makers got to comfortable and slacked off. Now they want our help... GM had 10 years to think about the EV market since the EV1... it is foolish to think that the whole market for EVs is dead after one limited and poorly run effort.
Elepski 2 years ago
EV tech is still an early adopter thing. Yes, there is allot of green washing going on.. however, 2nd gen hybrids will be the stepping stone until the battery tech improves.
Chrysler just failed... when the public wants and need more fuel efficient cars.. what do they do.. bring back the Hemi?!!? and build Muscle car remakes! FAIL!
Elepski 2 years ago
Hypothetically say they use a million little sub-c nimh cells. One cell can easily be charged in 10 minutes, ask any rc car enthusiast. The problem is that you would need the same amount of charge limiting chips as there are cells to cut the charge to each cell exactly when it's full not to over charge them. Most ev's group cells together so some may become over or under charged. But yes you can charge a car in 10 minutes but you may need a 440+ volt outlet to do it depending on pack capacity.
galactophore 3 years ago
An american company (BetterPlace) is right now planning to set up "hotspots" all over Denmark (Country in Scandinavia) were you can CHANGE your batteries for the car in less than 5 minutes without even getting out of your car. Truth is that driving a EV doesn't really differ so much from a ordinary car. And it will meet the needs of ordinary driving at a much lower cost. I dont think they did their research properly.
danielbastiansen 3 years ago
do you know how many car companies are building cars to go along with this system? I'd love to know.
Garage419 3 years ago
Not so many companies yet im afraid. But the estimate is About 5-6 companies will have some models ready when the infrastructure is in place (in 2012). Especially Nissan/Renault are agressive in their efforts producing enough output to the meet the demand in time. I hope a lot of manufactures will do the same so that when its ready there will be a variety of models on the market. I also hope other countries will follow so that you are not limited by structural borders eg travel all over Europe.
danielbastiansen 3 years ago
FUCK OBAMA
RossEnzo 3 years ago
fuck short term!
and paintings after ones self is mad pimp arite dun hate.
Dreadlowq 3 years ago
These guys are idiots. Why would you need a car for everyday driving that gets 250 miles on a charge. Who drives 250 miles to work each day? dumb
FreeMTrider 3 years ago 5
it's not about that. What if i want a car that i can drive every day, but also drive on a road trip? then I have to have 2 cars? that's dumb.
Garage419 3 years ago
Today's home PC is more powerful than when the computer was invented that filled an entire room and is a fraction of the size. My point is EV technology is moving fast and the gas powered cars are just not. Today's cars should be getting 100mpg with less emissions. Not everyone takes roads trips every week or month. Why all the critism and put downs. These guy's are just afraid of the economics when they really have nothing to worry about. People will still build gas powered cars.
FreeMTrider 3 years ago
@Garage419 The benefits of owning an EV far outweigh the problem of having to rent or own a separate car to dirve long distances. I dont know about you, but I dont like changing gears all the time (though I love it when driving a car quickly), changing oil, filters, clutches, stopping at gas stations, polluting, paying too much for gas, and all the other BS that one has to put up with when driving an ICE powered vehicle on a daily basis. Like it or not, EVs are the future and they will dominate.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@FreeMTrider .. the point is .. you wouldn't have to charge it every night .. what if you forget to put it on charge , and the next day break down half way to work (where there is no way to charge it) ... thats not dumb !!!!!
TattooBull 1 year ago
these people are so stupid; the internal combustion engine has been around over 100 years and the best they can do is get to 50 miles to a gallon on slow cars, and what a couple miles to the gallon for the fast cars they review.
We have to start somewhere to improve an electric car. give the electric car 20-30 years and it will far exceed anything the gas powered cars ever did.
watchingbird 3 years ago
Yes batteries do exist with that incredible performance and the ability to charge fully in 8 minutes. So yes they "can be charged in 10 minutes" The problem is it would take more energy than 5 houses could product in order to charge them that quickly. The batteries work great though. I crank my 202cc 2 stroke with 12oz of them.
imasuper0308 3 years ago
I mean fifty to a hundred years from now could we find ourselves looking back on the modern hybrid and lithium powered electric cars and say that we should have gone with bio-diesel until hydrogen became a more viable option?
piwright42 3 years ago
hydrogen is a rediculous idea. 3X the energy put into producing a single unit of energy output. You can't store it. Every material we use to store the stuff breaks down on the molecular level over time. it's corrosive you could say. Lets see it's dangerous to re-fuel with. people can barely put a nozzle in a hole and squeeze a trigger.. how are they going to connect a high pressure extreme temperature fuel to their vehical safely. PS. currently the hydrogen systems are 300-500K per vehical.
btwbrand 2 years ago
Thank you for underscoring my point btwbrand. Hydrogen should be the best solution overall but we don't have the technology to take advantage of it. I have looked up lithium batteries though and they appear to not pollute. That makes me think the best stop gap is bio-diesel/electric. But later down the line we will probably find out that lithium batteries do pollute, or that because of human produced global warming we reduced the length and severity of a periodic ice age.
piwright42 2 years ago
Lithium does appear to not pollute. Till you need to replace them. You can't recycle the lithium efficently, making the sollution to a replacement the mining of more lithium. Nickle cadnium batteries have the same problem, Theres not alot of cadnium laying around, and it's toxic. Nickel metal hydryde( though not as energy dense) seems to be a good middle ground. They are very easy to recycle into another battery. Hydrogen is cool but it's stalled out for now. I can buy batteries I can't buy H.
btwbrand 2 years ago
Good points. Personally I don't like batteries, we use too many as it is. Applying them en masse for every power need will eventually lead to a bigger problem later down the road. One often over looked problem with all batteries and pollution is the mining of the materials used to make the batteries. For the time being when it comes to the human need for power and life's need for a clean environment, we seem to just sweep the mess from under one rug only to hide it under another.
piwright42 2 years ago
I have issues with electric cars. 1> They take too long to recharge. So no cross country treks with them. 2> What happens to the batteries when they will no longer take a charge? You know they will end up in a dump somewhere and could cause environmental damage. Even if you recyle them could that not produce undesireable byproducts? 3> What are the long term environmental impacts from mining the materials used to make the batteries? 4> What are the byproducts of the actual battery manufacture?
piwright42 3 years ago
if they have the battery tech we would all know about it already... a supercar company didn't come up with the savior battery... to run the two 500hp engines there looking at two huge battery packs that would add a lot of weight to the car... im sure it could be done and im sure its feasible but the weight would probabally keep it from topping much over 220mph... which is still ridiculious... so long story short the could do the speed not the tech...
DaBluedude100 3 years ago
The battery technology does exist its NiMH Batteries
FluxCapacitor2008 3 years ago
They only forgotten to say:
Sponsored By Petrol and Oil of America!
eclipsegdr 3 years ago 3
i wonder if you guys are idiots or know that you are in denial. just because the combustion engine has been popular for so long, doesnt mean it is the best platform. Most people cant see out of their own spectrum. And how much money has research for the combustion engine had over say the electric.. yet there are some extremely competitive electric vehicles around with that in mind.
DxsPro 3 years ago
Well, we know the SSC is all about exclusivity & could only be bought by a rich fat cat. Now, because the battery is one the biggest expenses of an EV, a fat cat isnt gonna care how much it costs. SO, if the car came with 2 batteries then its possible, with some creative engineering, that they could change it in 10 minutes & essentially recharge the car really fast. Possibility? Hummmm
TheMandoor 3 years ago
Altairnano ;) You need a base station to charge them in 10 min though. Their lifespan is alot more than standard lithium. (over 10 000 charges) and is more firesafe. In Norway there is one of these base stations and a electric car with altairnano batteries. Seems like it works pretty good for them.
dodger1x 3 years ago
wtf? no way, i got to drive it be for i believe it
sysouvanh 3 years ago
COOL
morgangamer22 3 years ago
SSC EV? No.
myconpics 3 years ago
I'm not saying it's impossible for the battery or motor.. It's the charge time and distance between charge.. that are the stretch... if they said something along the lines of have a quick removable battery the can be changed in 10mins that would be more believable
rudebwoyjohn 3 years ago
LMAO. good points in the show matt. Shelby is crazy to propose the battery.... twin 500hp motors amounts to about 745.7 Kw of power @ 200 mph is possible.. but that would mean there running extreme voltages. 48v+. and get this for it to run\n that distance (150miles) the battery would have to weigh at least a Megagram or Kiloton (whatever the meteric weight for ton is). to charge all those amps in 10 mins would be an explsoin hazard for get the fires. this is ball park btw but yall get the idea.
rudebwoyjohn 3 years ago
fiat has managed to pull a massive turnaround this year. they are one of the few European brands that had a sales increase
dachipmunk2k8 3 years ago
I think the they could make the shelby achieve this but how much money will they use doing it??.
MksRPM 3 years ago
I had this discussion with a few people earlier this week. And I don't think that SSC can fulfill their promises about an 210mph electric car that can charge in 10 minutes. with that much power, could even the 220v high amperage outlets found in a house deliver the kind of amperage nessesary to charge a battery like that in 10 minutes? I don't think even upcoming battery technology can handle charge rates like that.
I believe 210mph electric is possible, but not 10 minutes to charge it.
wjrneo2 3 years ago
That is one of several facts that are wrong in this discussion. If you want, i could point out more, just reply.
MSIL2 3 years ago
The first one wasn't wrong, you just made the mistake of believing a manufacturer's claim, which is always a mistake. If something else is wrong, and clearly stated as fact and not satire, I'd like to hear it.
Garage419 3 years ago
Btw, I mentioned veg. oil powering engines. If someone sells it for vehicle power, it's taxed to the point of being unprofitable.
If energy can be derived from the sun/wind, at least if the world prices go through the roof, the alternative is already there.
lighthammar 3 years ago
When you say "treated" water what can that mean? I'm sure we could use simple distilled water for electrolysis. I even heard of the idea of companies using Dihydroxides. That would make more sense because you'd get more BANG. And it could be governed more stringently because Dihydroxides aren't naturally occuring compounds so they could control the distribution better than using simple H20. I heard that they could make the electro systmes too weak to fully electrolyze H2O, but can separate 2H2O.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
nope, hydrogen will only be allowed by the gov't if they have manufacturers rig it so that only gas stations distribute their "treated" water.
Biodiesel will be useful for heavy equiptment, but is, and will be limited as oil companies have too much control over the world.
They would be the ones refining it.
The percentages will be capped, simular to hybrid's fuel effeciency being capped by govt.
If the average vehicle to independent, it would have to be electric.
The technology is there.
lighthammar 3 years ago
ran out of space.
Hydrogen has been around since at least the 70's. Watch Jack Nicholson introduce a hydrogen car in 1978 on youtube. It ran on regular water. However; the gov't doesn't like when the population isn't controlled by them and need us to plug into lobbyist's pockets. So they launched test projects in Japan (on a small island). They use "heavy water". Not good.
If water becomes the new oil, we are all fucked.
The 1998 EV1 ran over 120miles/charge and could top speeds of 65+mph
lighthammar 3 years ago
That is true that water could become the new oil, but that's almost impossible being that water is way too abundant to be controlled that way. So I guess you're in agreement of biodiesel being the best choice?
koukicrisp 3 years ago
In the movie they address the comparison of a coal burning plant vs combustion engine. Check it out.
lighthammar 3 years ago
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What do you feel about burning biodiesel, and hydrogen? both have combustion engines that only emit either water, or or unharmful natural gases, and never have to charge. Nor would you have to change the infrastructure of America for them to work. They can use already existing gas stations and allow those who own them to stay in work. Also America being the worlds largest provider of corn and ethanol could really help America's economy. What are your thoughts?
koukicrisp 3 years ago
I agree we should invest more into Biodiesels and hydrogen. I'd say Biodiesels would be better because they cost alot less to make. You don't have to split molecules just to get some small fragment of pure hydrogen to burn. Also Diesels are just awesome. I'm ready for a sick ass Turbo diesel. Also, the US is the largest grower of corn and ethanol, which we could sell to places like Japan and China to inject some money into our economy again.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
what happens when biodiesels run out
PHILLYch33s3STEAK 3 years ago
Biodiesels are ethanol based fuels. Made from corn and rice and anythng you can make alcohol with. When it runs out you find fertile land and grow some more. that's the best thing about it as long as Earth can produce vegetables it can produce biodiesel.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
Also, let me put it to you like this. If there are 100 Million cars on American roads today, what if they were ALL electric and everynight they ALL had to be charged from an outlet in your house. Where do you think this electricity is coming from? POWER PLANTS! So we'll be using just as much coal to power our cars as we were using Petroleum which only adds to the problem. That's like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
Doesn't work like that. Please watch:
"Who killed the Electric Car". It's on youtube or watch the full version on Google's video list.
BTW These guys in the video have no clue what they are talking about.
lighthammar 3 years ago
What doesn't work like that. OUt of all things said on this video I need more clarification as to what you are refering to. And WHY you say it doesn't work.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
koukicrisp, solar power is coming a long ways and there are some companies offering solar technology that is affordable. We won't need to use petroleum or coal to power our electric cars.
TheSmoonge 3 years ago