Here is an easier way to point out the flaws in the newest installment of Apple OS X. Do a Google search on "flaws in Apple OS X" and look at all the patches.
So in a way you're admitting there could be a large populace of socialist users in the Apple community? Perhaps even yourself included? Although the comment was not directed at you maybe I hit a nerve. Kinda looks that way.
You start to make progress and leave your prejudices behind only to fall back on them when you don't like what you see. Why is that? When you were a Windows user how did you feel about Apple users or how did you treat them?
I'm not admitting anything, stop putting words in everyone's mouths. The percentage of socialists using macs is the same as those using PCs and Linux - get over yourself.
What prejudices are you talking about? And what is it that I supposedly didn't like? When I was a Windows user I had no Mac experience - I only went by what Windows fanboys told me - and the stuff wasn't good. It was only when I got my first Mac that I realized the Win fanboys were lying to me.
What's the deal with the icon strip at the bottom of the Apple OS? Can that be disabled? It would annoy me to no end to have it there. I prefer to use taskbar to create shortcuts to my most frequently used programs. A vertical menu of icons pops up with a simple click and keeps the interface clean and tidy when not in use. None of that auto-hide stuff either.
Wow... I'm getting to know why you think Macs suck.... you don't know much about them.
The 'DOCK' is pretty much the same as the updated taskbar in windows 7. You can "dock" a frequently used app so there is no need to pull up the start menu and go under apps and then find it and then click on it. Its very useful. Also minimized documents/windows go there. And it can be adjusted so it disappears unless your curser hits the bottom of the desktop area.
The "dock" is is like the taskbar in that it auto hides when not in use. Or reveals itself when you hover the cursor near the bottom few pixels of your screen. That's been common since Windows 95 I think.
The taskbar can be moved to any of the four sides of your computer monitor too. Not really useful in my opinion to have it jutting out at you from the left or right sides. Having the clock and other system tray info shouldn't be spread out between the top or bottom of the screen. For me that makes no sense. Hunting all around the screen for simple data? Nooo.
The taskbar isn't on a Mac. The MENU bar is ALWAYS at the top - you can't change that. So your Apple logo and the clock and all that stuff will always be at the same place. The dock can be moved to either side or the bottom, its size can be easily changed, you can have the icons magnify when you scroll over or not and it can auto hide or stay there. VERY useful. And need not go hunting for data - its in the finder or just use spotlight (came before Windows Search option).
Now it is that lack of flexibility that gets to me. Making people have the Menu bar permanently visible at the top of my screen takes up screen space that I could be using for something else, or nothing else. It is that sort of arrogance that just bugs me. It is a minor thing to fuss over for some, but it also points to what PC guys have rightly been talking about. Apple makes sure their users can only do things their way. As if they know what is best.
OK... you just bitched about the menu/taskbar that you thought it should always be stretched out lengthwise right? So why are you whining about the menu bar being locked? And what else were you planning on using that 2% strip of the screen for? C'mon fella - you are nitpicking!
And gee Apple is sorry for not allowing you to make your windows blue or purple. Again - nitpicking. I thought computers were to use - not just sit and admire the pretty blue window
Blue or purple? What is that about? Why would I make my GUI different colors? Unless I had a visual or cognitive handicap that makes it easier for me to see things with specially applied colors? Yeah, then I could see that level of control being useful. But battle ship grey is fine by me. Or even blue.
Ok... so if you aren't talking about color then what are all you windows boys talking about when you say that the OS interface is so restricted???? Apple has eliminated much of the OSes need for excess color by streamlining the windows. A majority of the windows have no frames - they just float. Especially the new Quicktime - it just hovers.
OMG seriously - you are totally nitpicking on things that really don't matter. Here is a REAL complaint - how about MS make Windows with a better way to manage files so disk fragmentation won't happen? This is why so many PCs get slow over time. OS X uses a different way of filing so nothing gets cluttered and defragged.
I'm not totally nitpicking. My copy of Windows 2000 Pro has never needed defragging. Neither has Vista Home Premium. Sometimes my older ME machines need it. But with all the data that I work with things need flushing out from time to time. To better organize the data that is in use or being stored. Nice try.
Defragging is still a problem for many users, nice try. Correct me if I'm wrong but the defrag option is still there right? At least as of Vista I thought it was. Its still a common "fix" that people talk about when they complain about their computers being slow. So if you are not defragging - how does your computer do it? Can you explain how that works if indeed you are not feeding me a line? Macs simply don't need that.... nor do they have the option to do so.
I already covered my experiences with defragging my hard drive under Win2KPro, Vista, and ME. So far it has not been a problem under Vista so I have had no reason to investigate it. Under Windows 2000 Pro I don't recall ever needing to defrag the hard drive. And yes, under ME I have had to defrag the hard drives from time to time. This isn't such a big deal anyway as it is par for the course of maintaining a computer.
And actually you ARE nitpicking - you haven't yet mentioned anything about OS X that IS legitimate as it relates to functionality and ease of use. I have valid complaints about windows. And don't try to tell me XP and ME never needed defragging.... If I didn't defrag them every other day that computer was like a freekin turtle! Hell - ME wouldn't even defrag correctly - it kept restarting - quite disruptive to someone's productivity.
Perhaps for you functionality is entirely separate from the GUI? For me they are intertwined. So what would seem like nitpicking to you is not to me. Does this make sense?
Defragging your hard drive everyday? How many times were you changing vast volumes of data on your drive? You're some sort of photo or music freak or something? :P
As you can see - there are complaints on both sides about the OS. Neither is perfect. But the general complaints I hear about OS X is just that users want more flexibility to make the OS "look" different. The Mac complaints about Windows is more about functionality.
Anywho - headin out with the family for Christmas.
Well if you've complained about Apple's functionality from the start then perhaps you like having your OS cluttered and confusing and bass-ackwards. After using OS X I just find Windows to be setup so freekin dumb! But that is what all windows users are used to so MS doesn't bother changing things. Its funny how those commercials talk about making things simple in Win 7 - much of that my Mac has been able to do for years. Especially the easy networking thing.
I'm not entirely sure how they came up with the 7th release of Windows. I'm fairly sure there's been like a dozen or so variants so far. As for Windows 7 (or Vista part 2) I haven't had a chance to use it yet. When I got Vista I heard about all the problems people had with it and chose to stick with or go back to XP. Having used it I have not had those experiences. In fact I like the way Vista works, just like I do with ME.
I haven't used Win 7 but have seen it in action and its nice. Will I now go out and buy one? Why should I? I have all those nice features already without having to buy the most expensive PC just to get the full ultimate version of the OS and spend and arm and a leg to get it. My last OS change was $29.
"I haven't used Win 7 but have seen it in action and its nice. Will I now go out and buy one? Why should I? I have all those nice features already without having to buy the most expensive PC"
Thank you for using the argument Windows users have against buying an Apple computer too. There is no sense in paying money for the most expensive PC just to do what I can already do on my non-Apple computer.
My statement in no way supported anything of what windows fanboys are saying. On the Mac side I can get a Mac mini and reap all the benefits of the top level OS. On the Windows side you'll need to be care about the specs and/or be sure to upgrade the OS when purchasing it (can be expensive) to reap the benefits of the full ultimate OS.
Keep in mind the taskbar and Dock are very different. And the hide option was used in the NeXT OS way back prior to Win 95. That is what OS X is based on. The Dock holds apps that are frequently used. The Finder is more similar to the taskbar/startmenu than the Dock is.
The way the Dock and taskbar work may seem different but I don't think they really are. Besides the way Apple organizes data with their stacks is similar to how I organize my data on Windows.
They are actually very different - Microsoft brags about how different they are. And I agree. They are different. But the new taskbar "pinning" an app - c'mon! Thats the same as "docking" an app. Sounds like someone copied. Just like Widgets/Gadgets - sure!
They serve many of the same purposes but are still quite different. The stacks are nice - download stacks and document stacks are the standards. This way you can always access a document.
What? Pinning is just another way of calling "copy shortcut to..." by another name. Widgets & Gadgets were something I tried out in Opera. They sound useful until you go nuts and fill the whole screen with them while they siphon off your resources.
Umm... Widgets came before the Vista Gadgets. The widgets are located in a layer called "Dashboard" that is over the desktop and all windows and is then removed. Kinda different that the way the windows setup was. Not resource hungry at all.
The "pin" and "dock" idea ARE similar. You can "pin" apps to the taskbar. I dunno - sounds like a copy to me.
For a person who accuses me of nitpicking you sure do the same thing. As for Widgets or Gadgets I wrote about my experience of them in Opera. I didn't like them then so I do not use them now. It doesn't matter if that is a web browser or OS fad. I'm not floored by fads or trendy things most of the time. Too expensive in the long run.
I have the equivalent of stacks by using shortcuts to the download folders that I use. I keep my taskbar at the bottom of my screen (it used to be at the top) because my glance is down towards my keys more often than not. For ergonomics sake the bottom makes more sense to me. My taskbar holds all the info that I need and grants easy one-click access to any other data I may want to look up. i don't use auto-hide or expand. Simple and clutter free.
One thing I will point out is that with Windows you boot up and there is a whole lineup of icons all covering the one side of the desktop. With mac OS X - the benefit of the Dock is that the primary apps are already there along with the system preferences icon and the finder (which acts as the start menu).
The placement of icons on the desktop is not mandatory. I have a a few shortcuts to vital areas of my computer on the desktop. My PC, DVD eject, favorite programs folder, LAN, FireFox, Opera, and the trash bin. Networking and trash bin are on the right side with the rest on the left side.
Simple and efficient. My offline computers have even fewer icons on the desktop. My taskbar provides quick shortcuts to all the programs I use.
Can you make another video that shows your Asus triple "E" being put through its paces? I'd like to see how it handles data such as .MP3s, .MPGs, .VOB files, and the maximum resolution of the attached monitor to its VGA port. And if you could do one half of the test video on battery power and then a duplicate set of tests on A/C power that'd let people see how it performs.
If you've got a Windows-based netbook model it'd be cool to see the same tests run on it.
the Mac Book Air is an expensive lap top that has the power to do more but only gives you options "netbooks" give you. Actually, most PC netbooks with no optical drives give you more connectivity than the Mac Book air. Air is nothing more than an over priced netbook.
If there is one notebook the Air can be compared to due to its screen size and thin profile its the Sony Vaio X505..... but the Air is thinner, faster, bigger hard drive, etc. And neither have an optical drive. People fail to realize that when something is this thin there is simply no room for a drive.
Again not trying to be an ass about this but I don't recall the world bashing Sony when it introduced the Vaio X505 which was also less than an inch thick - it too lacked an optical drive, but lacked the Air's horsepower and options under the hood.
It just seems that Apple becomes the target for all sorts of criticism for trying something different or unique or for going against the grain. PC/Windows users deny that is the case, but its how it is.
I couldn't tell you how many different Laptop models Sony makes but its a lot. I can tell you how many Apple makes, its not a lot. If I'm unhappy with one particular model made by Sony, I have more to select from. Apple doesn't give you that sort of selection so by over charging people, they give people even less options. Thats the difference.
Sony offer a few too models, as do other manufacturers causing the customer to wonder why one model is better or more necessary than the other especially when specs don't vary. Apple has a streamlined selection. And they don't have a lot because there are no low-end models. Slowest MacBook aside from the Air is no less than 2.0ghz cpu. See - everyone always try to pick at straws for a reason to bash apple. You're doing it.
You could make that claim. I can see your point. Then take into account that Apple users do the same thing when a computer or software company that is not Apple releases a product or service. Tit for tat?
Perhaps it is the tradition of Apple company and their swarms of fanatical users who insist they are superior for no other reason than they say so. But when you dare to point out they aren't superior or even the first to do many of the things they claim they get pissy.
I only respond to peoples bashing when I know they are wrong or the bashing is unfair in how it relates to what other companies have done or are doing. I think if I remember correctly it was the MacBook Air that took a beating but the other offerings by HP and Dell nobody seemed to bark at.
Do you think the arrogance of the Apple community warrants such "bashing"? I mean they're the first to always harp on how wonderful their machines are. Yet when they make an obvious dud it's hands off because that is "bashing"?
Its amusing to me because we view a lot of you guys the same way - arrogant! We all, for no reason, get bashed simply because we went against the norm and didn't fall in line and buy a windows PC just like everyone else. And the bashing isn't at Apple's duds - you guys attack US and Macs that are solid good working machines. So don't act like the Windows PC community is oh so innocent!! You all walk around with an unwarranted superiority complex.
You all get "bashed" For no reason? Okie dokie. Your machines are personal computers based on Intel CPUs and technology, so yeah, they are "solid good working machines."
So what do you guys think about mainstream users? No sense of arrogance or superiority against them is there? Oh wait, you are part of the mainstream now. Your computers are now part of the IBM clone market.
What you don't understand is that for the most part Mac users ARE and HAVE BEEN ALWAYS part of the mainstream users. We are no different than someone that uses a Windows based PC at all! I don't separate myself from anyone. It is all of YOU that have decided to look down upon anyone that uses a non Windows PC like we have broken a carnal rule of technology or offended Bill Gates! *gasp* Lock us all up for thinking outside the box already.
HAHAHA. Thanks for the laughs. Of course you've been part of the mainstream users. Apple computers have always been PCs. I haven't decided to any such thing. Careful how you play the blame game.
Where did you see me write a message that tells people not to use the computer of their choosing? Ease up buddy, they'll all be obsolete in a few years any how :)
The only reason you seem to be laughing is to keep yourself from realizing I'm correct... appears to be a defense mechanism. And lets get the facts right - Apple more or less was the first company to market a "personal computer" (a PC). This isn't a game of blame - its just how it is.
And my comment about some computers of poor quality - you more or less mocked Macs quality. When comparing the quality of a Mac vs the average PC - Macs win.
Laughter is usually triggered by something that is funny. Not always a "defense mechanism". Since you brought it up nothing from Apple or IBM was the first personal computer on the market. Do a Google search for "first company to market a personal computer" and you will see that "blinkenlights" provides a fascinating telling of who's who in the personal computer market. Not thoroughly detailed as it left off the Sinclair/Timex personal computers, Coleco, Atari, etc.
The "blinkenlights" site has the first personal computer being marketed back in 1950! Of all things it was called SIMON. At first I was thinking of the blinking memory game with the buzzer and four colored pads. Bellsouth had a PDA/smartphone called Simon with virtual QWERTY touchpad and lots of features that today are commonplace for that genre.
I knew you were going after the "simon". That thing was nothing more than a huge CALCULATOR. Hardly a PERSONAL computer. What makes a computer a PERSONAL computer? It would have to be something that is purchased by a great many consumers for home or personal use. How many people do you know that owned a Simon or many of the other older machines? The first PC is widely accepted to be the Apple II.
I didn't more or less mock the quality of Apple computers. I did mock it. You brought up that Apple cares about quality. You also stated that IBM clones (aka the PC market) is ripe with low cost, dull, boring, and poor quality computers. It just so happens that Intel Apples are now the same machines you were mocking. it's just how it is. You draw a personal win. In my view an Intel PC pales in comparison to an AMD-based computer.
You can mock all you want - I have 3 Macs all running flawlessly.
And there are more to computers than just the processors. Its all about a combination of the best and highest quality parts. Many PC vendors throw in some of the worst parts in hopes of being able to sell unsuspecting buyers these machines with the delusion they are getting a great deal. Not so when it fails in less time than a more expensive machine.
You're right that a good computer system has quality parts. That's why there are different levels of quality offered to the Windows user. Generally speaking a gaming type machine will last longer than a cheapo model. But then again that depends mostly on the way the customer uses their computer. Buy the fastest thing on the block to write emails and cruise the web and that thing could last decades. Cost doesn't always equal quality.
Then the Ginstar computer with the same features of the Apple i5 or i7 computer, that sells for way less than $1999.00 is better even though it costs less. Trumps your argument.
Hardly - where's your 27" display. Keep searching. And in order to win this argument you must pack all of that hardware into the back of the 27" display you find, genius. The iMac is still and all in one.
This is why many Mac users get so annoyed with you PC guys. You talk in circles and don't know how to compare similar products AND you all regardless of whatever argument is brought feel that you are still superior.
"This is why many Mac users get so annoyed with you PC guys. You talk in circles and don't know how to compare similar products AND you all regardless of whatever argument is brought feel that you are still superior. "
Is that what you think of me? Fella, I was playing with ya the whole time. I didn't mean to get under your skin that much. I'll let you in on a secret...I used to use Apples when I was a kid and in college learning to be a Pressman. They're just not for me.
I'll let you in a secret too - I used to use PCs up until about 4 years ago when I realized that getting 18 months use out of a computer was a horrible experience. I was searching for a Dell to replace my POS Compaq. Then was thankfully convinced into getting an iMac. That iMac is amazing that I got. It was the final iMac to ship with the G5 chip. It runs hot, but it runs flawlessly. Its a great machine.
BTW - its Christmas Eve. Go be with your family or celebrate somehow or open presents or drink hot cocoa while watching White Christmas. That is what i am doing.
All hatred aside - Merry Christmas. But seeing as you are an arrogant PC guy you'll probably tell me I'm a jerk or something.
Awe, you're still cool with me. I never hated you. Merry whatever it is you do this time of year. I'm making fractals on three Windows PCs and having a fun discussion with you about computers.
I celebrate Christmas. And I will continue to wish everyone a Merry Christmas regardless of what they say is "politically correct". December the 25th to me is Christmas. My iMacs are currently doing nothing.... just sitting here while I type. They have no reason to do anything but sit there and look cool... Its Christmas Eve
And yes, sonny, we do get bashed for no reason. Don't blame us because we feel we've "seen the light" by switching to a Mac... blame the vendors that build cheap, boring, dull, low quality PCs that break down and/or don't function properly that a great deal of consumers are buying. These machines are what make up a huge percentage of the Windows PC user base. Don't blame Apple for caring about quality, ease of use, and functionality.
First off ya never wanna buy an E Machine. Or a computer from a maker you don't know. Let someone else be their lab rat. I buy cheap "Frankenstein" PCs frequently and have never had a problem that I didn't cause. I get them exclusively from Ginstar computers ever since 1994.
It can be argued that pretty computers are not necessarily better than "boring, dull" computers. Besides, it isn't hot the computer looks that really matters. Vaios look good & suck big time.
I don't buy E Machines (what brought that up?). And E Machines isn't an unknown maker. Where exactly are you going with that one? (confused)
As for a computer being "pretty" - let me guess you are going after the "cool" look of Macs right? Keep in mind that Macs have a "minimalist" look... Its most Windows PCS (mostly laptops) that make them in pink and orange and blue with swirly designs, etc etc. Apparently its Windows PC users that are more concerned about looks than function.
You were typing about low quality junk computers. Well, E Machine is a company that makes junk computers. I don't believe I said that E Machine is an unknown maker.
"As for a computer being "pretty" - let me guess you are going after the "cool" look of Macs right?"
Nope. They don't look cool.
"Keep in mind that Macs have a "minimalist" look..."
Translates to dull, boring, plain, bland looking cases.
Well, sorry to hear you don't think they look cool. I personally do feel they look cool. Many buyers really appreciate the minimalistic industrial, almost futurist appearance that Apple's design team gives the Mac lineup.
And minimalistic doesn't translate into dull and boring. Ever hear the expression "less is more"? PC vendors should take a hint - some of these clunky PCs look like crap with all of their crappy plastic parts hanging off everywhere.
Hey, there's no reason to feel sorry for how someone else feels. The industrial look is the forte of the Windows market. Businesses don't buy computers (or they didn't) based on how they look. They go for what costs least and lasts the longest. Plus they have to consider interoperability with their customers and other branches (if any). For many people that means using a Windows PC. For others it means using an Apple or Linux PC.
My company went for the whole "cheap" route. And now we have these crappy intel celeron 566mhz boxes that crash when you do anything remotely intensive - like load in firefox. I swear - my terminal freezes up at least 2-3 times a day.
When did they buy these machines? Is using the Net part of your job description? Got enough RAM? It seems obvious but when I worked Sears their registers are 2 Ghz with 8 MB RAM running DOS. Talk about slow during the holiday seasons!
"And minimalistic doesn't translate into dull and boring. Ever hear the expression "less is more"? PC vendors should take a hint"
Yeah, it does. "Less is more" is part of the advertising for the Mac Air. You get less and pay more for it. It was also the motto when Apple was hampered by Motorola CPUs that weren't keeping pace with their Intel or AMD competitors. Why else would Apple dump their visionary baby in favor if the market standard?
Wow, proof positive you don't even research what the PC vendors are offering. Ok - the Macbook Air. Ever hear of the Dell Adamo? Please go check out its specs and compare with the MacBook Air AND then compare their prices. Then talk to me about "less is more". Until then you lose about the MacBook Air.
Apple made a smart move. The PowerPC roadmap was not looking so good. Years ago it was a powerhouse but lost its ability to remain competitive for Apple.
"Wow, proof positive you don't even research what the PC vendors are offering. Ok - the Macbook Air. Ever hear of the Dell Adamo?"
Nope, never heard of either actually. I just stumbled across the Apple Air accidentally. I could care less (and really do) about anything from Apple or Dell. But I'll look because you were nice and asked me to.
Please do... You'll notice both are similar in size, but the Adamo cheats on the processor big time. I just get annoyed when a windows pc guy mocks the Air, but neglects to even realize that its alone and its competitors are often more expensive with lower specs.
You may also wish to look at the HP Envy series. All three of these (Air, Adamo, Envy) are similar.... all are ultrathin with full 13" displays and keyboards but lack internal optical drives. Apple kinda jumpstarted it and HP and Dell followed.
Apple was not the first to make ultra thins. It has been done before by PC makers. The biggest pitfall these things have is most people see them as a waste. Too many compromises to get the thing thin and miserly on the battery.
Personally I have to have all the standards for a notebook. But I understand this is specifically made for a niche in the market. And it was also made for bragging purposes.
It was only done once before - by Sony. And Apple IS a PC maker. Apple was the first to do it and have it work really well without making too many compromises. Its much more powerful and capable than any netbook.
On cursory review it looks nice, decent speed, cheaper than the Mac Air, slightly slower CPU on the cheaper model than the 1.6 GHz of the Mac Air, better fixed storage capacity than the Apple Air, sturdier looking than the Apple Air, funny looking keys, built-in LAN port (unlike the Apple Air).
If you noticed the processors are not just slightly slower but significantly slower than the Air. Storage options are mixed. The Air, believe it or not is EXTREMELY sturdy. Saw it at the Apple store and you'd be pleasantly surprised.
Okay, hold on. How is the Adamo's slowest CPU of 1.4 Ghz "significantly slower" than the Air's 1.6 GHz model? The Adamo has a 2.1 GHz version which beats the Air's 1.8 GHz model. With the solid state drive either of the machines should enjoy a longer battery life and snappier response times too.
They're both constructed from a single slab of metal. They'd have to be because of their thinness. I've never been to our Apple store. I didn't see a point in going.
From the initial look of the Dell web site without any look at Cnet reviews or other user reviews this machine has lots more to offer for less than what the best Apple Air notebook has to offer. What was your point?
How can you possibly say that? Look at the price points. Look at the processor options. Base models are at 1.4ghz for the Adamo, but 1.86 for the Air - same price for oth - 1499.
My point is there you just refuse to see. I honestly can't believe you are not seeing it.
No, I didn't refuse to see your point. I looked at the hardware as you had asked me to do. Neither has an optical drive which is a huge problem for me. Not something I have a use for. The Dell has two shell colors. It has a goofy pattern on the lid that reminds me of my grandmother's house.
Off topic, do you recall how many laptop designs IBM went through before it hit their wildly popular ThinkPad?
ThinkPad and iMac are the relation here. Once a winner is found people tend to stick with it for brand recognition. Like the Intel Pentiums. These things haven't been 586 class machines for a long time. But, like the ThinkPad and the iMac, Intel invested lots of money each year to re-invent their image until they hit upon the Pentium campaign which changed everything for them.
At first the PowerPC was capable of running Windows or any other OS. Then Apple made tweaks that prevented that. And wasn't the PowerPC a hybrid CPU using technology from IBM and AMD and a third party? Then it turns out the reason IBM never built their own PPC was they based on ancient Mini computers they no longer manufacture? :)
Wow gee... there's a completely different topic? What brought that on? Are you just trying to bash Apple again? Or find some fault with them as a company? Or shall we go down the list of the multitude of blunders brought to us by Microsoft?
The PowerPC was a product of a collaboration of IBM, Apple, and Motorola.
"Wow gee... there's a completely different topic?"
That's a completely different topic? It has everything to do with your comment about sound business decisions at Apple. And their caring about quality parts in their products. I wasn't trying to "bash" Apple again. We're still head to head on the subject aren't we? Or have you "seen the light" only to realize Apple isn't so bright after all? :0)
Compared to me? Awe you're so nice. But, alas, the thing about Atheist Gods is we have low self-esteem. It would appear we don't believe in ourselves.
"Or shall we go down the list of the multitude of blunders brought to us by Microsoft?"
Microsoft made blunders? No way! where? They brought uniformity to the software market. That helped to spur hardware makers to make 100% compatibles to the IBM clone market. That lead the hobbyist market to the mainstreet customer who previously wouldn't have bought a Personal Computer (regardless of OS). Microsoft didn't play fair either. They schemed against anyone in sight.
Microsoft also was very corrupt in their acquisition of many smaller vendors eliminating their technology rather than adopting it. They are also responsible for the abominations to the tech world - ME and Vista. And they brought us the BSOD, among many other annoyances. How about the registry? Or the lack of ease of use?
Microsoft made personal business choices when they kept some technology from competing with their own business interests. No different than any other company trying to stamp out the competition. They're more akin to the Japanese when it comes to doing business. They don't play fair.
I will agree with you Microsoft doesn't play fair. They buy off and eliminate technology - Apple seems to buy off and INTEGRATE technology. They realize when someone else has better ideas. Hell even during the non-steve jobs era they were smart enough to acquire NeXT.
NeXT was ahead of its time. It was able to handle more than both the Mac OS and Windows could at the time. Apple bought NeXT who at the time was struggling. It wasn't their technology it was their ability break into the mainstream. Apple made a smart move. OS X is now based on much of that technology from NeXTStep OS
Mac OS X is a certified Unix OS. This accounts for its argued stability. If you ever hear a Mac user brag about his Mac being more stable - this is why. The OS like never freezes or crashes. And if one app crashes it doesn't take the whole system down like many versions of Windows were prone to doing.
Microsoft also paid those small vendors from their acquisition. Browsers weren't always free. Microsoft bundled their crappy browser with every Windows PC in an effort to kill off Netscape, who was selling theirs. Ultimately Netscape made theirs free too and now there is Mozilla and FireFox as a result of their not rolling over.
I fully remember the IE vs Netscape wars. I was a fully on Netscape supporter. I felt it ran faster, was more user friendly, and made more sense. IE was clunky at best.
I also went with Netscape because I felt it was better. Then I was tipped off to Opera and flip flopped between them until finally I went with Opera. Later on I adopted early versions of Mozilla and now the latest version of FireFox and Opera are my two most used browsers.
Eh, not really. There were some people like you and me who broke free from the pack and used a better browser. In fact, the majority of my fractal viewers do not use Explorer. Most use FireFox. Then Explorer, then Safari.
IE actually still holds the largest share of usage on the net. Safari, for all its speed and advances - most people using it are Mac users. I find it to be way faster than any other browser. And its been clocked by Apple and many outside companies to be the fastest browser.
"Or shall we go down the list of the multitude of blunders brought to us by Microsoft?"
But it was through their efforts and the competition that rose and fell or was absorbed into the collective that we as computer users are now able to have this discussion over who's computer gear has more moxie.
"Apparently its Windows PC users that are more concerned about looks than function."
Here is a point that I will concede to the Apple community. Some PC makers saw a chance to make money from people who want style over function. But prior to that Apple was not the first PC maker to release good looking computers that retained quality and functionality. There used to be a computer maker called Panda. Their PCs boasted you can buy any color you want so long as it isn't beige
The one thing that Apple draws the most heat from is the price of their otherwise dull, boring, cheap PC components. The same quality for their Intel machines is no different than any other Intel computer. I prefer AMD systems. They're better than Intel computers :)
The dumb "macs are overpriced" game again? Are you serious? I challenge you to find me a Windows PC with the same specs as the new 27" i5 or i7 iMac for less than what Apple is charging. And keep in mind - the display of the iMac is not standard. And good luck finding an all in one PC with specs even close to it.
The MacBook Air - please check out other ultra thins and get back to me about prices/specs
Okay, "Ginstar" has the same specs of the i5 and i7 as used in the one piece Apple version. They sell their game machine for $819.99 for the i5 and $919.99 for the slightly faster i7. It also has a 22x LightScribe DVD burner which beats the pokey 8x SuperDrive in the Apple i5 or i7. Add Windows 7 Home Premium for $119.99 and the price so far is $1149.97. Switch the standard mouse & keyboard for a wireless combo add $24.00. Save $2.00 (now $1171.97)
So lets see this Ginstar machine. What sorta display are we talking about here? And you will need to add in a few bucks extra to make up the cost of the Magic mouse - so your number jumps to about 1199 anyhow. And I've never had a problem with the superdrive. Runs fine.
The largest screen they have in stock is a 22 inch LCD. Although they can order anything you like. Even cool looking cases and non-standard LCD monitors. Well, according to the Apple store you can elect either the magic mouse or the standard mouse. The magicmouse is just a mouse with a touchpad surface. Woopee.
Jumping to $1199.99 is a good deal cheaper than leaping to $1999.00.
That's fine that you're happy with a slow DVD burner.
You can select any display you want, but guess what - a 27" LED backlit LCD is not an option. You'd have to look elsewhere to match that and I am certain you won't find it for only a few hundred bucks. And regardless of what you feel about the magic mouse - it still is better than what is standard on most PCs. AND I saw no bluetooth option. AND you forget that the model you are talking about is a tower, not an ALL IN ONE. Find me an all in one that can compete with the iMac i5.
Picky, picky. I found the hardware that makes up the computer for a lot less than what Apple charges. But you're right I did not find an all-in-one that precisely matches the configuration and packaging of the PC that Apple is currently selling.
The reason you cannot find one like what Apple is offering is because it doesn't exist. And I am dead on about the hardware not just being "as is" in an all in one. Many components need to be engineered/designed to fit into the slim back of the display.
See now we are getting back to the age of proprietary parts again. Not you and me literally. I mean the computer industry made huge strides when it moved away from custom parts and instead adopted common parts. Does this mean that Apple will have price RAM sticks or connectivity obligations imposed on their users?
Essentially this is a notebook design shoehorned into an "all-in-one" design with externally attached UI such as mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc.
ALL all in ones are pretty much laptops more or less. The parts are pretty much not interchangeable and must be designed for the specific space. That is why I cringe and shudder when fanboys try to compare it to a $600 box. Its nothing like that.... the fact that its an all in one design means soooo many things.
Apple RAM? Not sure what you are asking. I buy my ram from Other World Computing.
But the biggest problem with the "all-in-one" is what happens when it needs fixing? The whole things needs to be shipped out. With a tower or desktop or shuttle you can send off the part(s) that are busted or swap 'em out yourself.
It is an optical mouse. Towers generally come with an optical mouse. Does it connect via USB? Just asking. Why would you want bluetooth on a PC? Its a security risk. I don't recall there being bluetooth on the AIR. Okay, lets say I missed that. So add $1.00 to $3.00 for a bluetooth USB transceiver.
Hey, out of curiosity, why does Apple still have the "iMac" series?
The Magic Mouse uses a multitude of touch gestures much like Apples MacBooks. It connects via bluetooth. Why would I want bluetooth? its another way to connect media devices such as cell phones. And I had a PC fanatic blasting me cuz he had bluetooth on his PC and tried to mock me saying that Apple only just recently put bluetooth into Macs. He insisted powerpc's didn't have it. But my G5 iMac has bluetooth.
Why does Apple still make the iMac? Why not? Its their flagship desktop model and it packs quite a punch for what the high end average use needs it for. I've had several PCs over the years and never before had a computer as useful as the iMac. As long as Apple sees significant profit from it - it will continue to be made.
After taking another look at this system that is at their website of the i5, there is something HUGE missing. Where is your display at? And keep in mind the magic mouse, not to mention the graphics card isn't as good as whats in the iMac. You may wish to do some checking into a display of that size and how much they are before mocking me.
I took up your challenge to match the computer for the Apple i5 and i7. Proprietary parts such as a touchpad skinned mouse and 27 inch monitor with a weird resolution are going to be hard to match. Besides that technically the monitor and mouse are not the computer itself.
You took up the challenge but cannot meet it. Dude - all in one computers are completely different and generally more expensive due to the need to have all the parts designed a bit more specific as a result of the space provided. Very unlike a box tower where everything comes as is and you just attach it.
Sorry, but I've got three different fractal animation projects running, plus uploads for my second & third edition Trippy fractal DVDs underway, plus a few searches you asked me to do, plus time to read before I write back, etc.
I'm pretty good at multitasking, even for a guy :)
No apology necessary. Im currently multitasking as well - responding to you and watching White Christmas on the TV. I have no pending projects. But I assure you - this thing can handle it.
Now here is the difference between mac users and windows users. I never was mocking you as a person. I was poking fun at the hardware you choose to use. So unless you're an Apple Cyborg prototype take a breath or two and chill a bit.
I am a bit touchy because you actually did come back at me with your opinion that mac users think we are superior. I'm no different than anyone else. You may make fun of the computer I choose to use, but seriously - When I first turned on this i5 and the screen lit up - it literally took my breath away. 27 inches of beautiful widescreen light shining at me! And the performance is amazing. This is no off the shelf box tower. It is quite a feat of design.
Is that how I phrased it? I try to use quotes around other people's posts so I can keep things on the up and up. If I made you feel uneasy in your computing choices then I'll offer an apology. Let it not be said (too often) that arrogant PC users aren't able to be nice.
I'm as nice as pie, except when someone bashes me and/or my choice of which computer to use. I have my reasons for liking Macs - and it all has to do with how much easier I feel they make everything for the average user. And I also prefer how reliable they are.
I see, you take the computer you use as a personal extension of who you are? As something that helps define who you are like a car might for an automobile enthusiast?
STOP SAYING EEE PC
walentinyj 9 months ago
Mac Air. XD
MegaCellProductions 11 months ago
Then do a Google search using "flaws in Apple OS Snow Leopard" to see what you find.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Here is an easier way to point out the flaws in the newest installment of Apple OS X. Do a Google search on "flaws in Apple OS X" and look at all the patches.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I wonder how many Apple users are socialists? Maybe there is a correlation between them? That would make a cool study.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I wonder how many Windows users are arrogant and suffer from a superiority complex? Now THAT would make an even cooler study.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
So in a way you're admitting there could be a large populace of socialist users in the Apple community? Perhaps even yourself included? Although the comment was not directed at you maybe I hit a nerve. Kinda looks that way.
You start to make progress and leave your prejudices behind only to fall back on them when you don't like what you see. Why is that? When you were a Windows user how did you feel about Apple users or how did you treat them?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I'm not admitting anything, stop putting words in everyone's mouths. The percentage of socialists using macs is the same as those using PCs and Linux - get over yourself.
What prejudices are you talking about? And what is it that I supposedly didn't like? When I was a Windows user I had no Mac experience - I only went by what Windows fanboys told me - and the stuff wasn't good. It was only when I got my first Mac that I realized the Win fanboys were lying to me.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@Endlessdream94
What's the deal with the icon strip at the bottom of the Apple OS? Can that be disabled? It would annoy me to no end to have it there. I prefer to use taskbar to create shortcuts to my most frequently used programs. A vertical menu of icons pops up with a simple click and keeps the interface clean and tidy when not in use. None of that auto-hide stuff either.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Wow... I'm getting to know why you think Macs suck.... you don't know much about them.
The 'DOCK' is pretty much the same as the updated taskbar in windows 7. You can "dock" a frequently used app so there is no need to pull up the start menu and go under apps and then find it and then click on it. Its very useful. Also minimized documents/windows go there. And it can be adjusted so it disappears unless your curser hits the bottom of the desktop area.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
The "dock" is is like the taskbar in that it auto hides when not in use. Or reveals itself when you hover the cursor near the bottom few pixels of your screen. That's been common since Windows 95 I think.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@AllFractUp
The taskbar can be moved to any of the four sides of your computer monitor too. Not really useful in my opinion to have it jutting out at you from the left or right sides. Having the clock and other system tray info shouldn't be spread out between the top or bottom of the screen. For me that makes no sense. Hunting all around the screen for simple data? Nooo.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
The taskbar isn't on a Mac. The MENU bar is ALWAYS at the top - you can't change that. So your Apple logo and the clock and all that stuff will always be at the same place. The dock can be moved to either side or the bottom, its size can be easily changed, you can have the icons magnify when you scroll over or not and it can auto hide or stay there. VERY useful. And need not go hunting for data - its in the finder or just use spotlight (came before Windows Search option).
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Now it is that lack of flexibility that gets to me. Making people have the Menu bar permanently visible at the top of my screen takes up screen space that I could be using for something else, or nothing else. It is that sort of arrogance that just bugs me. It is a minor thing to fuss over for some, but it also points to what PC guys have rightly been talking about. Apple makes sure their users can only do things their way. As if they know what is best.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
OK... you just bitched about the menu/taskbar that you thought it should always be stretched out lengthwise right? So why are you whining about the menu bar being locked? And what else were you planning on using that 2% strip of the screen for? C'mon fella - you are nitpicking!
And gee Apple is sorry for not allowing you to make your windows blue or purple. Again - nitpicking. I thought computers were to use - not just sit and admire the pretty blue window
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Blue or purple? What is that about? Why would I make my GUI different colors? Unless I had a visual or cognitive handicap that makes it easier for me to see things with specially applied colors? Yeah, then I could see that level of control being useful. But battle ship grey is fine by me. Or even blue.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Ok... so if you aren't talking about color then what are all you windows boys talking about when you say that the OS interface is so restricted???? Apple has eliminated much of the OSes need for excess color by streamlining the windows. A majority of the windows have no frames - they just float. Especially the new Quicktime - it just hovers.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
OMG seriously - you are totally nitpicking on things that really don't matter. Here is a REAL complaint - how about MS make Windows with a better way to manage files so disk fragmentation won't happen? This is why so many PCs get slow over time. OS X uses a different way of filing so nothing gets cluttered and defragged.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
OYG (your god not mine),
I'm not totally nitpicking. My copy of Windows 2000 Pro has never needed defragging. Neither has Vista Home Premium. Sometimes my older ME machines need it. But with all the data that I work with things need flushing out from time to time. To better organize the data that is in use or being stored. Nice try.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Defragging is still a problem for many users, nice try. Correct me if I'm wrong but the defrag option is still there right? At least as of Vista I thought it was. Its still a common "fix" that people talk about when they complain about their computers being slow. So if you are not defragging - how does your computer do it? Can you explain how that works if indeed you are not feeding me a line? Macs simply don't need that.... nor do they have the option to do so.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Subject: Defragging
I already covered my experiences with defragging my hard drive under Win2KPro, Vista, and ME. So far it has not been a problem under Vista so I have had no reason to investigate it. Under Windows 2000 Pro I don't recall ever needing to defrag the hard drive. And yes, under ME I have had to defrag the hard drives from time to time. This isn't such a big deal anyway as it is par for the course of maintaining a computer.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Defragging tag on:
I forgot to reiterate that I do not use XP.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
And actually you ARE nitpicking - you haven't yet mentioned anything about OS X that IS legitimate as it relates to functionality and ease of use. I have valid complaints about windows. And don't try to tell me XP and ME never needed defragging.... If I didn't defrag them every other day that computer was like a freekin turtle! Hell - ME wouldn't even defrag correctly - it kept restarting - quite disruptive to someone's productivity.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Subject: nitpicking
Perhaps for you functionality is entirely separate from the GUI? For me they are intertwined. So what would seem like nitpicking to you is not to me. Does this make sense?
Defragging your hard drive everyday? How many times were you changing vast volumes of data on your drive? You're some sort of photo or music freak or something? :P
AllFractUp 2 years ago
As you can see - there are complaints on both sides about the OS. Neither is perfect. But the general complaints I hear about OS X is just that users want more flexibility to make the OS "look" different. The Mac complaints about Windows is more about functionality.
Anywho - headin out with the family for Christmas.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Nuh-uh. I've complained about Apple's functionality from the start.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Well if you've complained about Apple's functionality from the start then perhaps you like having your OS cluttered and confusing and bass-ackwards. After using OS X I just find Windows to be setup so freekin dumb! But that is what all windows users are used to so MS doesn't bother changing things. Its funny how those commercials talk about making things simple in Win 7 - much of that my Mac has been able to do for years. Especially the easy networking thing.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Subject: Windows 7
I'm not entirely sure how they came up with the 7th release of Windows. I'm fairly sure there's been like a dozen or so variants so far. As for Windows 7 (or Vista part 2) I haven't had a chance to use it yet. When I got Vista I heard about all the problems people had with it and chose to stick with or go back to XP. Having used it I have not had those experiences. In fact I like the way Vista works, just like I do with ME.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I haven't used Win 7 but have seen it in action and its nice. Will I now go out and buy one? Why should I? I have all those nice features already without having to buy the most expensive PC just to get the full ultimate version of the OS and spend and arm and a leg to get it. My last OS change was $29.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"I haven't used Win 7 but have seen it in action and its nice. Will I now go out and buy one? Why should I? I have all those nice features already without having to buy the most expensive PC"
Thank you for using the argument Windows users have against buying an Apple computer too. There is no sense in paying money for the most expensive PC just to do what I can already do on my non-Apple computer.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
My statement in no way supported anything of what windows fanboys are saying. On the Mac side I can get a Mac mini and reap all the benefits of the top level OS. On the Windows side you'll need to be care about the specs and/or be sure to upgrade the OS when purchasing it (can be expensive) to reap the benefits of the full ultimate OS.
Now do you get it?
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"
Anywho - headin out with the family for Christmas. "
Happy, Happy! Joy, Joy!
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Keep in mind the taskbar and Dock are very different. And the hide option was used in the NeXT OS way back prior to Win 95. That is what OS X is based on. The Dock holds apps that are frequently used. The Finder is more similar to the taskbar/startmenu than the Dock is.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
The way the Dock and taskbar work may seem different but I don't think they really are. Besides the way Apple organizes data with their stacks is similar to how I organize my data on Windows.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
They are actually very different - Microsoft brags about how different they are. And I agree. They are different. But the new taskbar "pinning" an app - c'mon! Thats the same as "docking" an app. Sounds like someone copied. Just like Widgets/Gadgets - sure!
They serve many of the same purposes but are still quite different. The stacks are nice - download stacks and document stacks are the standards. This way you can always access a document.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
What? Pinning is just another way of calling "copy shortcut to..." by another name. Widgets & Gadgets were something I tried out in Opera. They sound useful until you go nuts and fill the whole screen with them while they siphon off your resources.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Umm... Widgets came before the Vista Gadgets. The widgets are located in a layer called "Dashboard" that is over the desktop and all windows and is then removed. Kinda different that the way the windows setup was. Not resource hungry at all.
The "pin" and "dock" idea ARE similar. You can "pin" apps to the taskbar. I dunno - sounds like a copy to me.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Subject: Apple vs. Windows nitpicking/copying
For a person who accuses me of nitpicking you sure do the same thing. As for Widgets or Gadgets I wrote about my experience of them in Opera. I didn't like them then so I do not use them now. It doesn't matter if that is a web browser or OS fad. I'm not floored by fads or trendy things most of the time. Too expensive in the long run.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
I have the equivalent of stacks by using shortcuts to the download folders that I use. I keep my taskbar at the bottom of my screen (it used to be at the top) because my glance is down towards my keys more often than not. For ergonomics sake the bottom makes more sense to me. My taskbar holds all the info that I need and grants easy one-click access to any other data I may want to look up. i don't use auto-hide or expand. Simple and clutter free.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
One thing I will point out is that with Windows you boot up and there is a whole lineup of icons all covering the one side of the desktop. With mac OS X - the benefit of the Dock is that the primary apps are already there along with the system preferences icon and the finder (which acts as the start menu).
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Subject: icons everywhere
The placement of icons on the desktop is not mandatory. I have a a few shortcuts to vital areas of my computer on the desktop. My PC, DVD eject, favorite programs folder, LAN, FireFox, Opera, and the trash bin. Networking and trash bin are on the right side with the rest on the left side.
Simple and efficient. My offline computers have even fewer icons on the desktop. My taskbar provides quick shortcuts to all the programs I use.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Well, I suppose it is time to do something else. Later, I hope you get the bestest toy this xmas.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
GlockNinja,
Can you make another video that shows your Asus triple "E" being put through its paces? I'd like to see how it handles data such as .MP3s, .MPGs, .VOB files, and the maximum resolution of the attached monitor to its VGA port. And if you could do one half of the test video on battery power and then a duplicate set of tests on A/C power that'd let people see how it performs.
If you've got a Windows-based netbook model it'd be cool to see the same tests run on it.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
the international fonts can be support with an installation by the text console, it's not very legal but, you khow, who care?
But the real problem with this netbook is the keyboard, not wery well for productivity.
Petrel2 2 years ago
The macbook air has a dual core cpu, Nvidia 9400m graphics...
The EEEpc has a single core atom, and intel integrated graphics...good for web browsing and email on the go, but little else.
masterd151 3 years ago
The macbook air has no optical drive, one USB port, non-uer removable battery or RAM. good for web browsing and email, but little else.
anakinseviltwin 2 years ago
the Mac Book Air is an expensive lap top that has the power to do more but only gives you options "netbooks" give you. Actually, most PC netbooks with no optical drives give you more connectivity than the Mac Book air. Air is nothing more than an over priced netbook.
GlockNinja 3 years ago
like i said the Air fits into an odd category that isn't fully defined yet. what is its purpose, etc etc.
endlessdream94 3 years ago
If there is one notebook the Air can be compared to due to its screen size and thin profile its the Sony Vaio X505..... but the Air is thinner, faster, bigger hard drive, etc. And neither have an optical drive. People fail to realize that when something is this thin there is simply no room for a drive.
endlessdream94 3 years ago
Maybe they shouldn't have made it so thin. Or atleast make it so you can put a CD in it.
GlockNinja 3 years ago
Again not trying to be an ass about this but I don't recall the world bashing Sony when it introduced the Vaio X505 which was also less than an inch thick - it too lacked an optical drive, but lacked the Air's horsepower and options under the hood.
It just seems that Apple becomes the target for all sorts of criticism for trying something different or unique or for going against the grain. PC/Windows users deny that is the case, but its how it is.
endlessdream94 3 years ago
I couldn't tell you how many different Laptop models Sony makes but its a lot. I can tell you how many Apple makes, its not a lot. If I'm unhappy with one particular model made by Sony, I have more to select from. Apple doesn't give you that sort of selection so by over charging people, they give people even less options. Thats the difference.
GlockNinja 3 years ago
Sony offer a few too models, as do other manufacturers causing the customer to wonder why one model is better or more necessary than the other especially when specs don't vary. Apple has a streamlined selection. And they don't have a lot because there are no low-end models. Slowest MacBook aside from the Air is no less than 2.0ghz cpu. See - everyone always try to pick at straws for a reason to bash apple. You're doing it.
endlessdream94 3 years ago
@endlessdream94
You could make that claim. I can see your point. Then take into account that Apple users do the same thing when a computer or software company that is not Apple releases a product or service. Tit for tat?
Perhaps it is the tradition of Apple company and their swarms of fanatical users who insist they are superior for no other reason than they say so. But when you dare to point out they aren't superior or even the first to do many of the things they claim they get pissy.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I only respond to peoples bashing when I know they are wrong or the bashing is unfair in how it relates to what other companies have done or are doing. I think if I remember correctly it was the MacBook Air that took a beating but the other offerings by HP and Dell nobody seemed to bark at.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Do you think the arrogance of the Apple community warrants such "bashing"? I mean they're the first to always harp on how wonderful their machines are. Yet when they make an obvious dud it's hands off because that is "bashing"?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Its amusing to me because we view a lot of you guys the same way - arrogant! We all, for no reason, get bashed simply because we went against the norm and didn't fall in line and buy a windows PC just like everyone else. And the bashing isn't at Apple's duds - you guys attack US and Macs that are solid good working machines. So don't act like the Windows PC community is oh so innocent!! You all walk around with an unwarranted superiority complex.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Moi? Arrogant? Um...I don't ever know what you mean...:0)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
You all get "bashed" For no reason? Okie dokie. Your machines are personal computers based on Intel CPUs and technology, so yeah, they are "solid good working machines."
So what do you guys think about mainstream users? No sense of arrogance or superiority against them is there? Oh wait, you are part of the mainstream now. Your computers are now part of the IBM clone market.
Cheers
AllFractUp 2 years ago
What you don't understand is that for the most part Mac users ARE and HAVE BEEN ALWAYS part of the mainstream users. We are no different than someone that uses a Windows based PC at all! I don't separate myself from anyone. It is all of YOU that have decided to look down upon anyone that uses a non Windows PC like we have broken a carnal rule of technology or offended Bill Gates! *gasp* Lock us all up for thinking outside the box already.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
HAHAHA. Thanks for the laughs. Of course you've been part of the mainstream users. Apple computers have always been PCs. I haven't decided to any such thing. Careful how you play the blame game.
Where did you see me write a message that tells people not to use the computer of their choosing? Ease up buddy, they'll all be obsolete in a few years any how :)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
The only reason you seem to be laughing is to keep yourself from realizing I'm correct... appears to be a defense mechanism. And lets get the facts right - Apple more or less was the first company to market a "personal computer" (a PC). This isn't a game of blame - its just how it is.
And my comment about some computers of poor quality - you more or less mocked Macs quality. When comparing the quality of a Mac vs the average PC - Macs win.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Laughter is usually triggered by something that is funny. Not always a "defense mechanism". Since you brought it up nothing from Apple or IBM was the first personal computer on the market. Do a Google search for "first company to market a personal computer" and you will see that "blinkenlights" provides a fascinating telling of who's who in the personal computer market. Not thoroughly detailed as it left off the Sinclair/Timex personal computers, Coleco, Atari, etc.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@AllFractUp
The "blinkenlights" site has the first personal computer being marketed back in 1950! Of all things it was called SIMON. At first I was thinking of the blinking memory game with the buzzer and four colored pads. Bellsouth had a PDA/smartphone called Simon with virtual QWERTY touchpad and lots of features that today are commonplace for that genre.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I knew you were going after the "simon". That thing was nothing more than a huge CALCULATOR. Hardly a PERSONAL computer. What makes a computer a PERSONAL computer? It would have to be something that is purchased by a great many consumers for home or personal use. How many people do you know that owned a Simon or many of the other older machines? The first PC is widely accepted to be the Apple II.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Just because you or others widely accept it to be the first personal computer history shows you and others are widely wrong.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
So I guess its not just me... must be the entire computer industry... since they are the ones that accept it.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
I didn't more or less mock the quality of Apple computers. I did mock it. You brought up that Apple cares about quality. You also stated that IBM clones (aka the PC market) is ripe with low cost, dull, boring, and poor quality computers. It just so happens that Intel Apples are now the same machines you were mocking. it's just how it is. You draw a personal win. In my view an Intel PC pales in comparison to an AMD-based computer.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
You can mock all you want - I have 3 Macs all running flawlessly.
And there are more to computers than just the processors. Its all about a combination of the best and highest quality parts. Many PC vendors throw in some of the worst parts in hopes of being able to sell unsuspecting buyers these machines with the delusion they are getting a great deal. Not so when it fails in less time than a more expensive machine.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"You can mock all you want - I have 3 Macs all running flawlessly."
Good for you. Is there a tit-for tat ratio for mocking? You've been doing your own fair share by the way.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
And if mocking is what you are all about - lets play the childish game of - you started it.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
You're right that a good computer system has quality parts. That's why there are different levels of quality offered to the Windows user. Generally speaking a gaming type machine will last longer than a cheapo model. But then again that depends mostly on the way the customer uses their computer. Buy the fastest thing on the block to write emails and cruise the web and that thing could last decades. Cost doesn't always equal quality.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Cost generally does equal quality.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Then the Ginstar computer with the same features of the Apple i5 or i7 computer, that sells for way less than $1999.00 is better even though it costs less. Trumps your argument.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Hardly - where's your 27" display. Keep searching. And in order to win this argument you must pack all of that hardware into the back of the 27" display you find, genius. The iMac is still and all in one.
This is why many Mac users get so annoyed with you PC guys. You talk in circles and don't know how to compare similar products AND you all regardless of whatever argument is brought feel that you are still superior.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
They're not circles. They're self-similar structures at different layers of interpretation :)
Fractals and smart asses are what you call an arrogant PC guy - ME.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"This is why many Mac users get so annoyed with you PC guys. You talk in circles and don't know how to compare similar products AND you all regardless of whatever argument is brought feel that you are still superior. "
Is that what you think of me? Fella, I was playing with ya the whole time. I didn't mean to get under your skin that much. I'll let you in on a secret...I used to use Apples when I was a kid and in college learning to be a Pressman. They're just not for me.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I'll let you in a secret too - I used to use PCs up until about 4 years ago when I realized that getting 18 months use out of a computer was a horrible experience. I was searching for a Dell to replace my POS Compaq. Then was thankfully convinced into getting an iMac. That iMac is amazing that I got. It was the final iMac to ship with the G5 chip. It runs hot, but it runs flawlessly. Its a great machine.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
Argument detrumped.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
BTW - its Christmas Eve. Go be with your family or celebrate somehow or open presents or drink hot cocoa while watching White Christmas. That is what i am doing.
All hatred aside - Merry Christmas. But seeing as you are an arrogant PC guy you'll probably tell me I'm a jerk or something.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Awe, you're still cool with me. I never hated you. Merry whatever it is you do this time of year. I'm making fractals on three Windows PCs and having a fun discussion with you about computers.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I celebrate Christmas. And I will continue to wish everyone a Merry Christmas regardless of what they say is "politically correct". December the 25th to me is Christmas. My iMacs are currently doing nothing.... just sitting here while I type. They have no reason to do anything but sit there and look cool... Its Christmas Eve
endlessdream94 2 years ago
And yes, sonny, we do get bashed for no reason. Don't blame us because we feel we've "seen the light" by switching to a Mac... blame the vendors that build cheap, boring, dull, low quality PCs that break down and/or don't function properly that a great deal of consumers are buying. These machines are what make up a huge percentage of the Windows PC user base. Don't blame Apple for caring about quality, ease of use, and functionality.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
First off ya never wanna buy an E Machine. Or a computer from a maker you don't know. Let someone else be their lab rat. I buy cheap "Frankenstein" PCs frequently and have never had a problem that I didn't cause. I get them exclusively from Ginstar computers ever since 1994.
It can be argued that pretty computers are not necessarily better than "boring, dull" computers. Besides, it isn't hot the computer looks that really matters. Vaios look good & suck big time.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I don't buy E Machines (what brought that up?). And E Machines isn't an unknown maker. Where exactly are you going with that one? (confused)
As for a computer being "pretty" - let me guess you are going after the "cool" look of Macs right? Keep in mind that Macs have a "minimalist" look... Its most Windows PCS (mostly laptops) that make them in pink and orange and blue with swirly designs, etc etc. Apparently its Windows PC users that are more concerned about looks than function.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
You were typing about low quality junk computers. Well, E Machine is a company that makes junk computers. I don't believe I said that E Machine is an unknown maker.
"As for a computer being "pretty" - let me guess you are going after the "cool" look of Macs right?"
Nope. They don't look cool.
"Keep in mind that Macs have a "minimalist" look..."
Translates to dull, boring, plain, bland looking cases.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Well, sorry to hear you don't think they look cool. I personally do feel they look cool. Many buyers really appreciate the minimalistic industrial, almost futurist appearance that Apple's design team gives the Mac lineup.
And minimalistic doesn't translate into dull and boring. Ever hear the expression "less is more"? PC vendors should take a hint - some of these clunky PCs look like crap with all of their crappy plastic parts hanging off everywhere.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Hey, there's no reason to feel sorry for how someone else feels. The industrial look is the forte of the Windows market. Businesses don't buy computers (or they didn't) based on how they look. They go for what costs least and lasts the longest. Plus they have to consider interoperability with their customers and other branches (if any). For many people that means using a Windows PC. For others it means using an Apple or Linux PC.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
My company went for the whole "cheap" route. And now we have these crappy intel celeron 566mhz boxes that crash when you do anything remotely intensive - like load in firefox. I swear - my terminal freezes up at least 2-3 times a day.
I'd kill for a Mac at work.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
When did they buy these machines? Is using the Net part of your job description? Got enough RAM? It seems obvious but when I worked Sears their registers are 2 Ghz with 8 MB RAM running DOS. Talk about slow during the holiday seasons!
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I have no idea... its an old company but has about 1500 stores nationwide.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Old company with 1500 stores nationwide? Do you work for Radio Shack? They've got slow PCs/registers too.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
No.. Our company is about 65 years old... but its not radio shack. Their computers are faster than ours.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"And minimalistic doesn't translate into dull and boring. Ever hear the expression "less is more"? PC vendors should take a hint"
Yeah, it does. "Less is more" is part of the advertising for the Mac Air. You get less and pay more for it. It was also the motto when Apple was hampered by Motorola CPUs that weren't keeping pace with their Intel or AMD competitors. Why else would Apple dump their visionary baby in favor if the market standard?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Wow, proof positive you don't even research what the PC vendors are offering. Ok - the Macbook Air. Ever hear of the Dell Adamo? Please go check out its specs and compare with the MacBook Air AND then compare their prices. Then talk to me about "less is more". Until then you lose about the MacBook Air.
Apple made a smart move. The PowerPC roadmap was not looking so good. Years ago it was a powerhouse but lost its ability to remain competitive for Apple.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"Wow, proof positive you don't even research what the PC vendors are offering. Ok - the Macbook Air. Ever hear of the Dell Adamo?"
Nope, never heard of either actually. I just stumbled across the Apple Air accidentally. I could care less (and really do) about anything from Apple or Dell. But I'll look because you were nice and asked me to.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Please do... You'll notice both are similar in size, but the Adamo cheats on the processor big time. I just get annoyed when a windows pc guy mocks the Air, but neglects to even realize that its alone and its competitors are often more expensive with lower specs.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
You may also wish to look at the HP Envy series. All three of these (Air, Adamo, Envy) are similar.... all are ultrathin with full 13" displays and keyboards but lack internal optical drives. Apple kinda jumpstarted it and HP and Dell followed.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Nah, that's ok. I don't feel like looking at more big ass netbooks.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Apple was not the first to make ultra thins. It has been done before by PC makers. The biggest pitfall these things have is most people see them as a waste. Too many compromises to get the thing thin and miserly on the battery.
Personally I have to have all the standards for a notebook. But I understand this is specifically made for a niche in the market. And it was also made for bragging purposes.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
It was only done once before - by Sony. And Apple IS a PC maker. Apple was the first to do it and have it work really well without making too many compromises. Its much more powerful and capable than any netbook.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
On cursory review it looks nice, decent speed, cheaper than the Mac Air, slightly slower CPU on the cheaper model than the 1.6 GHz of the Mac Air, better fixed storage capacity than the Apple Air, sturdier looking than the Apple Air, funny looking keys, built-in LAN port (unlike the Apple Air).
AllFractUp 2 years ago
If you noticed the processors are not just slightly slower but significantly slower than the Air. Storage options are mixed. The Air, believe it or not is EXTREMELY sturdy. Saw it at the Apple store and you'd be pleasantly surprised.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Okay, hold on. How is the Adamo's slowest CPU of 1.4 Ghz "significantly slower" than the Air's 1.6 GHz model? The Adamo has a 2.1 GHz version which beats the Air's 1.8 GHz model. With the solid state drive either of the machines should enjoy a longer battery life and snappier response times too.
They're both constructed from a single slab of metal. They'd have to be because of their thinness. I've never been to our Apple store. I didn't see a point in going.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
From the initial look of the Dell web site without any look at Cnet reviews or other user reviews this machine has lots more to offer for less than what the best Apple Air notebook has to offer. What was your point?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
How can you possibly say that? Look at the price points. Look at the processor options. Base models are at 1.4ghz for the Adamo, but 1.86 for the Air - same price for oth - 1499.
My point is there you just refuse to see. I honestly can't believe you are not seeing it.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
No, I didn't refuse to see your point. I looked at the hardware as you had asked me to do. Neither has an optical drive which is a huge problem for me. Not something I have a use for. The Dell has two shell colors. It has a goofy pattern on the lid that reminds me of my grandmother's house.
Off topic, do you recall how many laptop designs IBM went through before it hit their wildly popular ThinkPad?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
In reference to the thinkpad - no idea, i never followed.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
ThinkPad and iMac are the relation here. Once a winner is found people tend to stick with it for brand recognition. Like the Intel Pentiums. These things haven't been 586 class machines for a long time. But, like the ThinkPad and the iMac, Intel invested lots of money each year to re-invent their image until they hit upon the Pentium campaign which changed everything for them.
Just an opinion.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
At first the PowerPC was capable of running Windows or any other OS. Then Apple made tweaks that prevented that. And wasn't the PowerPC a hybrid CPU using technology from IBM and AMD and a third party? Then it turns out the reason IBM never built their own PPC was they based on ancient Mini computers they no longer manufacture? :)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Wow gee... there's a completely different topic? What brought that on? Are you just trying to bash Apple again? Or find some fault with them as a company? Or shall we go down the list of the multitude of blunders brought to us by Microsoft?
The PowerPC was a product of a collaboration of IBM, Apple, and Motorola.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"Wow gee... there's a completely different topic?"
That's a completely different topic? It has everything to do with your comment about sound business decisions at Apple. And their caring about quality parts in their products. I wasn't trying to "bash" Apple again. We're still head to head on the subject aren't we? Or have you "seen the light" only to realize Apple isn't so bright after all? :0)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
"Apple isn't so bright after all?" Compared to what? God? Ok just kidding. Compared to Microsoft Apple is near perfect.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Compared to me? Awe you're so nice. But, alas, the thing about Atheist Gods is we have low self-esteem. It would appear we don't believe in ourselves.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I don't think you understood my "God" reference if you thought I was talking about you.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
What other "God" can there be?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
The real God, sir. Please respect that. If you don't believe that is your choice, but I do.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"Or shall we go down the list of the multitude of blunders brought to us by Microsoft?"
Microsoft made blunders? No way! where? They brought uniformity to the software market. That helped to spur hardware makers to make 100% compatibles to the IBM clone market. That lead the hobbyist market to the mainstreet customer who previously wouldn't have bought a Personal Computer (regardless of OS). Microsoft didn't play fair either. They schemed against anyone in sight.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Microsoft also was very corrupt in their acquisition of many smaller vendors eliminating their technology rather than adopting it. They are also responsible for the abominations to the tech world - ME and Vista. And they brought us the BSOD, among many other annoyances. How about the registry? Or the lack of ease of use?
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Microsoft made personal business choices when they kept some technology from competing with their own business interests. No different than any other company trying to stamp out the competition. They're more akin to the Japanese when it comes to doing business. They don't play fair.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I will agree with you Microsoft doesn't play fair. They buy off and eliminate technology - Apple seems to buy off and INTEGRATE technology. They realize when someone else has better ideas. Hell even during the non-steve jobs era they were smart enough to acquire NeXT.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
NeXT was Steve's failed system right?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
NeXT was ahead of its time. It was able to handle more than both the Mac OS and Windows could at the time. Apple bought NeXT who at the time was struggling. It wasn't their technology it was their ability break into the mainstream. Apple made a smart move. OS X is now based on much of that technology from NeXTStep OS
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Isn't Apple OS X a GUI shell that uses Unix as the real Operating System? Apple talks fondly about this arrangement on their site.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Mac OS X is a certified Unix OS. This accounts for its argued stability. If you ever hear a Mac user brag about his Mac being more stable - this is why. The OS like never freezes or crashes. And if one app crashes it doesn't take the whole system down like many versions of Windows were prone to doing.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Microsoft also paid those small vendors from their acquisition. Browsers weren't always free. Microsoft bundled their crappy browser with every Windows PC in an effort to kill off Netscape, who was selling theirs. Ultimately Netscape made theirs free too and now there is Mozilla and FireFox as a result of their not rolling over.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I fully remember the IE vs Netscape wars. I was a fully on Netscape supporter. I felt it ran faster, was more user friendly, and made more sense. IE was clunky at best.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
I also went with Netscape because I felt it was better. Then I was tipped off to Opera and flip flopped between them until finally I went with Opera. Later on I adopted early versions of Mozilla and now the latest version of FireFox and Opera are my two most used browsers.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
Netscape was indeed better. But since everything MS does is perfect in the eyes of the tech world - it won.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Eh, not really. There were some people like you and me who broke free from the pack and used a better browser. In fact, the majority of my fractal viewers do not use Explorer. Most use FireFox. Then Explorer, then Safari.
That doesn't mean a whole lot globally.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
IE actually still holds the largest share of usage on the net. Safari, for all its speed and advances - most people using it are Mac users. I find it to be way faster than any other browser. And its been clocked by Apple and many outside companies to be the fastest browser.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
You got a beef with ME and VISTA? Why? They're the only version of Windows I ever liked and found easy to use.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"Or shall we go down the list of the multitude of blunders brought to us by Microsoft?"
But it was through their efforts and the competition that rose and fell or was absorbed into the collective that we as computer users are now able to have this discussion over who's computer gear has more moxie.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
More Moxie? Macs.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
"Apparently its Windows PC users that are more concerned about looks than function."
Here is a point that I will concede to the Apple community. Some PC makers saw a chance to make money from people who want style over function. But prior to that Apple was not the first PC maker to release good looking computers that retained quality and functionality. There used to be a computer maker called Panda. Their PCs boasted you can buy any color you want so long as it isn't beige
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
The one thing that Apple draws the most heat from is the price of their otherwise dull, boring, cheap PC components. The same quality for their Intel machines is no different than any other Intel computer. I prefer AMD systems. They're better than Intel computers :)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
The dumb "macs are overpriced" game again? Are you serious? I challenge you to find me a Windows PC with the same specs as the new 27" i5 or i7 iMac for less than what Apple is charging. And keep in mind - the display of the iMac is not standard. And good luck finding an all in one PC with specs even close to it.
The MacBook Air - please check out other ultra thins and get back to me about prices/specs
Mac Mini - same thing.
Mac Pro Workstation - same challenge.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Okay, "Ginstar" has the same specs of the i5 and i7 as used in the one piece Apple version. They sell their game machine for $819.99 for the i5 and $919.99 for the slightly faster i7. It also has a 22x LightScribe DVD burner which beats the pokey 8x SuperDrive in the Apple i5 or i7. Add Windows 7 Home Premium for $119.99 and the price so far is $1149.97. Switch the standard mouse & keyboard for a wireless combo add $24.00. Save $2.00 (now $1171.97)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
So lets see this Ginstar machine. What sorta display are we talking about here? And you will need to add in a few bucks extra to make up the cost of the Magic mouse - so your number jumps to about 1199 anyhow. And I've never had a problem with the superdrive. Runs fine.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
The largest screen they have in stock is a 22 inch LCD. Although they can order anything you like. Even cool looking cases and non-standard LCD monitors. Well, according to the Apple store you can elect either the magic mouse or the standard mouse. The magicmouse is just a mouse with a touchpad surface. Woopee.
Jumping to $1199.99 is a good deal cheaper than leaping to $1999.00.
That's fine that you're happy with a slow DVD burner.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
You can select any display you want, but guess what - a 27" LED backlit LCD is not an option. You'd have to look elsewhere to match that and I am certain you won't find it for only a few hundred bucks. And regardless of what you feel about the magic mouse - it still is better than what is standard on most PCs. AND I saw no bluetooth option. AND you forget that the model you are talking about is a tower, not an ALL IN ONE. Find me an all in one that can compete with the iMac i5.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Picky, picky. I found the hardware that makes up the computer for a lot less than what Apple charges. But you're right I did not find an all-in-one that precisely matches the configuration and packaging of the PC that Apple is currently selling.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
The reason you cannot find one like what Apple is offering is because it doesn't exist. And I am dead on about the hardware not just being "as is" in an all in one. Many components need to be engineered/designed to fit into the slim back of the display.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
See now we are getting back to the age of proprietary parts again. Not you and me literally. I mean the computer industry made huge strides when it moved away from custom parts and instead adopted common parts. Does this mean that Apple will have price RAM sticks or connectivity obligations imposed on their users?
Essentially this is a notebook design shoehorned into an "all-in-one" design with externally attached UI such as mouse, keyboard, speakers, etc.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
ALL all in ones are pretty much laptops more or less. The parts are pretty much not interchangeable and must be designed for the specific space. That is why I cringe and shudder when fanboys try to compare it to a $600 box. Its nothing like that.... the fact that its an all in one design means soooo many things.
Apple RAM? Not sure what you are asking. I buy my ram from Other World Computing.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
But the biggest problem with the "all-in-one" is what happens when it needs fixing? The whole things needs to be shipped out. With a tower or desktop or shuttle you can send off the part(s) that are busted or swap 'em out yourself.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I've never had a problem with any of mine.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
It is an optical mouse. Towers generally come with an optical mouse. Does it connect via USB? Just asking. Why would you want bluetooth on a PC? Its a security risk. I don't recall there being bluetooth on the AIR. Okay, lets say I missed that. So add $1.00 to $3.00 for a bluetooth USB transceiver.
Hey, out of curiosity, why does Apple still have the "iMac" series?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
The Magic Mouse uses a multitude of touch gestures much like Apples MacBooks. It connects via bluetooth. Why would I want bluetooth? its another way to connect media devices such as cell phones. And I had a PC fanatic blasting me cuz he had bluetooth on his PC and tried to mock me saying that Apple only just recently put bluetooth into Macs. He insisted powerpc's didn't have it. But my G5 iMac has bluetooth.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Bluetooth hasn't been around very long. So in a way he's kinda right. It depends on his interpretation of the word "recently".
AllFractUp 2 years ago
He's wrong - bluetooth was integrated into Macs years ago.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
Why does Apple still make the iMac? Why not? Its their flagship desktop model and it packs quite a punch for what the high end average use needs it for. I've had several PCs over the years and never before had a computer as useful as the iMac. As long as Apple sees significant profit from it - it will continue to be made.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
After taking another look at this system that is at their website of the i5, there is something HUGE missing. Where is your display at? And keep in mind the magic mouse, not to mention the graphics card isn't as good as whats in the iMac. You may wish to do some checking into a display of that size and how much they are before mocking me.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
I took up your challenge to match the computer for the Apple i5 and i7. Proprietary parts such as a touchpad skinned mouse and 27 inch monitor with a weird resolution are going to be hard to match. Besides that technically the monitor and mouse are not the computer itself.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
You took up the challenge but cannot meet it. Dude - all in one computers are completely different and generally more expensive due to the need to have all the parts designed a bit more specific as a result of the space provided. Very unlike a box tower where everything comes as is and you just attach it.
This is why all in ones are a bit pricier.
Find the Dell Adamo yet?
again - Merry Christmas.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Sorry, but I've got three different fractal animation projects running, plus uploads for my second & third edition Trippy fractal DVDs underway, plus a few searches you asked me to do, plus time to read before I write back, etc.
I'm pretty good at multitasking, even for a guy :)
AllFractUp 2 years ago
No apology necessary. Im currently multitasking as well - responding to you and watching White Christmas on the TV. I have no pending projects. But I assure you - this thing can handle it.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Now here is the difference between mac users and windows users. I never was mocking you as a person. I was poking fun at the hardware you choose to use. So unless you're an Apple Cyborg prototype take a breath or two and chill a bit.
None of this is worth getting touchy about.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I am a bit touchy because you actually did come back at me with your opinion that mac users think we are superior. I'm no different than anyone else. You may make fun of the computer I choose to use, but seriously - When I first turned on this i5 and the screen lit up - it literally took my breath away. 27 inches of beautiful widescreen light shining at me! And the performance is amazing. This is no off the shelf box tower. It is quite a feat of design.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Is that how I phrased it? I try to use quotes around other people's posts so I can keep things on the up and up. If I made you feel uneasy in your computing choices then I'll offer an apology. Let it not be said (too often) that arrogant PC users aren't able to be nice.
AllFractUp 2 years ago
I'm as nice as pie, except when someone bashes me and/or my choice of which computer to use. I have my reasons for liking Macs - and it all has to do with how much easier I feel they make everything for the average user. And I also prefer how reliable they are.
endlessdream94 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
I see, you take the computer you use as a personal extension of who you are? As something that helps define who you are like a car might for an automobile enthusiast?
AllFractUp 2 years ago
@endlessdream94
Reliability and ease of use are subjective at best. What is it particularly that you love so much about the Apple experience?