In response to "Death by Veganism" video

[StuningRedneck]

Man I need a steak after reading all of this Vegan shit.

[1imesub]

Love the cute little babies at the end. That's awesome they are being raised vegan. Wish I had been. If I ever have kids, I will definitely raise them meat and dairy free.

[beerkat88]

i dont know what the cato inst. is, but i can assure you i am not a fundamentalist; not even a christian. i would never believe a word they say. regardless, this non-fundamentalist vegan has quarterly blood test results to prove i have all the nutrients i need.

[simonhurst0707]

Im interested because im opening a new channel called "Humans born in blood" i really want both opinions, from both sides, with no bias to either side. thats why im asking so many questions. I would like any material you are willing to give discussing your side of this. I'll be honest that i cant see any regulations being systamatically implemented, but i do see your point of view. im not trying to be a "know it all which" is why im asking.

[misterdirtyharry]

You can have a completely healthy diet that includes meat. I, myself, absolutely love red meat, yet I'm cutting down on it and starting to eat more white-meat and fish. I still enjoy a steak every know and then. It's not gonna kill me. I respect people's choices to eat what they want, I hate it when people demonize me and call me a redneck because I eat meat. It's not a big fucking deal.

[Bajacaliwave]

I don't understand why pro-meat eaters act like meat is better for us, and use weak proof, they should just say that they want to eat meat period, I would respect that more.

[allyskimmer]

couldn't post all this stuff at once so you have to start from the bottom of allyskimmer...sorry.

[allyskimmer]

Be aware of what you put in your body. This information is powerful and invigorating and allows me to be in control of my body. It’s nice to wake up in the morning and have complete control over your bodily functions. Nothing is better than being in control of your health and the functions of your body. I choose to respect myself and others by eating the stuff that we are intended to eat.

[allyskimmer]

Sure I choose my sources on the internet that may be more in line with the vegan lifestyle but I also search for the people who are supporting the type of eating habits that are portrayed all over the media. It’s easy for me to say this stuff because I have been fortunate enough to have suffered the pain of a disease.Just because you think that you’re well doesn’t mean that you’re not on the path to some illness.

[allyskimmer]

But the next time someone in your family gets sick and you don’t know why.......just think about what they put on their plate. I just hope that you aren’t struck by some disease later in life and don’t understand why. Disease is all related to diet weather you want to believe it or not and these diseases and illnesses are built up over a life time of our every day choices. All of this suffering is completely preventible....we just have to search for answers and keep educating ourselves.....

[allyskimmer]

I have completely changed my diet and I’m sticking to it because I don’t ever want to go back to bloody bowel movements, not being able to walk, and having constant pain. ( and possibly developing some other disease later on in life) The people that still eat meat and dairy can say all you want.....it doesn’t bother me.....I understand....I know where you are in your head....and maybe you havn’t been in enough pain and suffering to change and dig deeper to find the answers.

[allyskimmer]

I was diagnosed with Crohn’s Disease at the age of 13 and it has taken me 10 years to un brainwash my self.I had stomach cramps and constipation but I was convinced at a tender age that this was normal...because this is what I was used to and lived through most of my early years. I used to be a chronic sniffer. I would just sniff because my nose was always running for some reason. I don’t sniff anymore. I now know that I was always being clogged up by animal products and didn’t realize it.

[allyskimmer]

I I don’t eat any meat and dairy anymore ( as well as other fake crap ) and I am convinced that I never have to be sick again. I used to come home from school as a little kid and eat a big chunk of cheese or have a bowl of cereal as a snack before dinner ( which always including a chunk of meat ) I now realize that I was always sick in some way.We have been brainwashed for so long and have been lead to believe that this stuff is good for us when it is the complete opposite.

[allyskimmer]

Its seems that people who eat meat and dairy don't want to be told not to eat meat and dairy because they have been told for so long that it is good for them.

The brainwashing runs so deep that they can't help but get defensive. I understand. I was once there too but as I dig deeper and search desperately for the truth I now know that this stuff isn't designed for us. The four food groups were introduced in 1956 to promote people eating more meat and dairy to put more money in their pockets.

[marcluc1988]

Also, this crap of 'Hitler was vegetarian':

This is disputed for several reasons: 1. He believed it was healthier for humans and couldn't give a shit for the animals and 2. It's disputed that he even was vegetarian.

Now, think of all the tyrants in history that WEREN'T vegetarian! So, fuck this crap implying that vegetarians are some how 'monsters'.

[misterdirtyharry]

@marcluc1988 the whole hitler/vegetarian thing isnt to insult vegetarians, its a "just because someone does this doesnt mean theyre like this" kind of thing lol

[Crazyman1212]

Vegans are morons, plain and simple, get off your high horse fuck face

[marcluc1988]

@Crazyman1212 Well, for someone calling a large group of people 'morons', your comment isn't exactly intellectual.

[Crazyman1212]

@marcluc1988 you just said that your group is a minority....thank god for that. we already have enough self rightous fucktards in the world.

P.S don't bitch about us meat eaters ripping into when you talk shit about people who eat meat.

[marcluc1988]

@Crazyman1212 We're not exactly a 'group'. We're individuals. That 'God'?  I don't believe in God.

As far as being 'self-righteous', I think your comment comes across as self-righteous. You're telling me not to bitch but you're bitching about me.

I couldn't give a toss what you eat, to be honest, but it causes unneccesary suffering.

[Crazyman1212]

@marcluc1988 i don't belevie in god either, the "thank god" is a just a figure of speech i like to use all the time. I could care less if you wanted to eat tree bark for the rest of you life but don't come back with "i started this shit". most of you veggies and vegs tell us that were pieces of shit for eating meat. you don't see me busting into a vegan resturant ranting and raving because you don't eat meat.

[marcluc1988]

@Crazyman1212 I occasionally say, "Thank God." too but try not to.

I don't eat tree bark.

I don't say non-vegetarians are pieces of shit.

When was the last time you saw a vegan bust in to a 'meat-eating' restaurant ranting and raving? I have never done that. It would achieve nothing but hostility and be very counter-productive.

I have, however, witnessed nonvegans come to MY vegan videos ranting and raving although, I'm sure most vegans/nonvegans don't rant.

[marcluc1988]

@Crazyman1212 But, again, your comment is not original, intellelectual or thought-through.

[alickamoso1]

NO, your absolutely wrong, it was not a case of neglect, rather pure stupidity in feeding a baby a vegan diet that does not encourage cranial or bodily growth.

[marcluc1988]

@alickamoso1 I know of many live-long vegans whose vegan parent(s) did not fee them any animal products ever. The mother was even vegan before/during pregnancy and they're fine.

Are you telling me that meat-eaters have never neglected their new-borns' health needs?  I doubt you think that because it's not true.

[jetthead756]

Fine, fine, fine, I guess if more vegans insist on starving their children to death, in the near future all of their children will have starved to death, or put into meat eating foster homes or adopted after their dogmatic parents are imprisoned, thus solving the problem of ignorant, indoctrined dogmatic vegans who put cows before their children.

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Some You Tubers follow the Weston Price Foundation and literature stuff. I came across one who commented on a durianriders video saying meat does not rot teeth.

This You Tuber even gave me an article from the book of Weston A Price, but it doesn't change the obvious man wasn't meant to go north or even in the arctic areas and freeze his nuts off!

[ShroedingerWatcher]

Yeah, I laughed at that hunter's video too. That "hunter" You Tube profile stinks of ego. Many of them do especially one that claims to hunt yet wears glasses and is a bit odd eyed.

And I don't recall natural hunters or even "omnivores" wearing glasses.

[AppleSouffle]

I read an article from The Independent - How Our Vegan Diet Made Us ILL

Holly Paiges 2 young daughters were 2 sizes behind, stick thin and had pits in their teeth.

"I remember going to the supermarket and buying butter for my older children. Lizzie, who had never had butter in her life, would grab the packet and gnaw into it," says Paige. "I was so brainwashed into thinking dairy products are bad for you."

Being vegan is unhealthy for adults, even worse for children, because theyre growing.

[marielledelaine]

awesome video!

[CDLver]

Ah, what exceptionally beautiful children -- both inside and out!

Veganism's time has come!

[beaelliott]

Awesome! What beautiful, healthy, thriving children on a vegan diet! Of course those other parents did not have their baby on a vegan diet... it was a starvation diet that killed this poor child.

Thanks for a great video response!

[DeliberateCruelty]

what mottodog2002 says about Okinawa

"The Okinawans live the longest on earth and there diet is 62%+ from pork products."

What they say about Okinawa's diet

." They eat way more veggies than most people (mostly green and yellow ones), as well as whole grains, tofu, fish and other legumes. They eat very little sugar, and very little meat, dairy or eggs. am saying that a mostly plant-based diet has been proven to work well for the Okinawans."

[simonhurst0707]

@DeliberateCruelty Sorry again but death by veganism is real. A frind of my ex-grirlfriend was a member of PeTA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, they rescued a dog from an animal shelter here in Australia. because they were totally agenst the meat industry they tried to make the dog eat vegetables as a diet, the dog died three weeks aftre they "Rescued" it from the animal shelter due to malnutrition. how "ethical" do you think they are now? its stupidity.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 Again, that is a form of neglect. Dogs are omnivorous, requiring taurine and the portion of 20% dense protein to every meal. Although I do doubt your claim, if that scenerio were to happen, the reason is not veganism, but neglect. There are taurine supplements. Dogs live well on responsible vegan diets tailored to their needs. River Phoenix had several vegan dogs and was a lifelong vegan himself. Later in life, was even building muscle. Just one highly documented example.

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty This did happen, Taurine huh? hmmm i didnt know that. Thanks. But do really believe that its a good thing to change a dogs, wolfs or any K9's natural diet? I mean ive seen vegetables in dog food before but its never made completely from veg. All K9's hunt their meat by natural instinct. But people want to mess with that. Why?

If PeTA gets what they want and all animals are free then do they expect all animals specialy omnivores and carnivores to just stop their natural hunting?

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty All i was asking was your opinion on changing a K9's natural diet. I wanted to allow you to have your say, but now ive heard your rude bias toward me, i really dont think i want it. i wasn't asking you to repeat yourself, and i will read the china study, but because you dont want to understand my view point or any of the facts ive put forward, im sorry but i find you to be a strong bias in this subject. thanks for the information but you need to open up to other opinions.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 You already knew my opinion about domestic canines being fed a responsible vegan diet. You aren't informed of veganism or plant-based nutrition, so I'm not interested in your opinions about such topics. I'm not open to murder apologists.

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty If you're not open to descusion then why respond to my inital post?

Murder apologists? I apologize for nothing. the fact that i dont believe that killing animals for meat and using the entire carcas for any situation is murder, you believe i am not informed about veganism as a subject? you're being very closed minded and turly nieve about the entire subject. Just because i havent as yet researched the vegan diet in K9's you believe thats gounds that i dont know anything at all.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 I responded because you were misinformed, so I informed you.

Pardoning the murder of animals is being a murder apologist. We don't need to eat animals, our bodies thrive on plant-based diets. The resources (crops, water) used to feed livestock could actually feed the entire world. Animal agriculture is the leading cause of environmental hazard and epidemics. It also accounts for deforestation of the rainforest, overfishing, etc. All for products we don't need. Enslaving animals.

[TheChoujinVirus]

funny, I wonder if many of those kids are REAL vegetarians and not those claimed to be vegetarians.

also, if plants are the true miracle food, how come there isn't a Vegetarian culture that is proven to be found, let alone thriving

[DeliberateCruelty]

You try to deny anything that's positive about veganism and our hope for a more peaceful and better planet for us all animals included.

As far as the vegetarian world yes we are thriving and more tv shows about cooking are gearing towards vegetarianism and eve raw cooking because they know that is what healthy is about and we do want our children to live in a more healthier and civilized world.

[beerkat88]

is this enough of a 'culture' for you: Hindus in India, population 827,578,868. and have you ever been there? thriving is an understatement. .....p.s.: Hindus are vegetarians...

[DeliberateCruelty]

amen!

[TheChoujinVirus]

Last time I watched Mottdog2002's video, Hindus that lived in the southern parts of India were considered "Failures to thrive" because of their vegetarianism.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Who is this mottodog2002 and send me the link to this information. No matter meat is what killing humans today and they surpassed smoking few year

Researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine, led by Ajit Varki, M.D., have shown a new mechanism for how human consumption of red meat and milk products could contribute to the increased risk of cancerous tumors.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Their findings, which suggest that inflammation resulting from a molecule introduced through consumption of these foods could promote tumor growth, are published online this week in advance of print publication in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).

[TheChoujinVirus]

ok, here's his Youtube page

youtube . com / user / mottdog2002

[DeliberateCruelty]

When doctors want people to better their health they are always told to cut down on meat and put more fruits and vegetable in the diet. Meat eating related diseases are rampant but you wont find any illness and death related to fruit/veg eating

[TheChoujinVirus]

uh yes..let's list some nasty ones

anemia, rickets and cretinism, in children

osteomalacia and hypothyroidism for adults

higher chances for bone fractures

nurological damage to developing children

oh and the baby that died DID die of a Vegan diet, just a poorly planned one

[DeliberateCruelty]

Where did you get those information from one of Mottdog "smoking is good for you" type videos???bahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

actually the country that consumes the most protein have the worst bone. YOu should google bone and protein.

[jetthead756]

@DeliberateCruelty This comes from medical facts! Now, give me the sources of all your pro-vegan information, as I've yet to see any real proof veganism is in anyway healthy.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Mottdog is one of those center for consumer freedom douchbag and one his video says "smoking is good for you" bwhhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh ahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhahh aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and you believe his video? smoking is "good for you" next video is "bleach is good drinking bwhhhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhah haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­a

[TheChoujinVirus]

I think he's talking about smoking "Pure" Tobacco, not the Tobacco co. manufactured deathsticks.

Best look more closely at the videos themselves, not jump on it like a complete jackass

[DeliberateCruelty]

Another one of his video which is a real doozy is "shrinking vegans' brain" LOLOL! Look at the biggest carcass eaters which are hunters and the way they spell and write is enough to say that meat is what shrinks the brain and the other organ between the leg. hahhhahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­aaaaaaaaaa!!

[TheChoujinVirus]

oh? and you believe that Vegetarianism is perfect?

here's an example, myself. I have no heart problems, no complications whatsoever. The only flaws is that i'm a bit overweight (but taking weight training to manage that) and a bad eye I had since I was a child.

My father placed me on a vegetarian diet because of his girlfriend, didn't make me feel better, in fact made it worse since I wasn't doing well, not to mention deficiency cravings

[beerkat88]

well, i doubt the hindus are not thriving just because one or two carnivorous yahoos say so. but i do know for sure that i am 220 lbs. all muscle, no health problems, and have been vegan for eleven years. i dont lift weights or take supplements either. and by the way, my brain may be shrinking- i dont know, i havent measured its circumference lately- but i am in mensa so i guess it still works alright.

[relay8039]

Some Hindu sects do not eat meat this is true but we still have tandoori from India, But even the pure vegetarian sects consume milk and cheeses. It is really not vegetarian but rather an avoidance of beef. Lamb and chicken and eggs are OK.

[FlameVideos]

The people of Dimona have always been Vegan, living on locally-grown fruits and vegetables. There are almost zero incidences of disease. It's certainly not hard to find information on them. I'm descended from a Celtic Pagan tribe that was Vegan and the teachings were passed on to me and my siblings, and continue to be passed down even today. We have always been Vegan. So that's at least two populations that are hard to miss.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Thank you Flame and she is a beautiful and healthy vegan women! Goes to show you what the great fruits and veggies of the earth does for human body rather then the dead putrid carcass!

[TheChoujinVirus]

A "Celtic pagan tribe"..please! Celtics were known to be eat meat, not to mention being a culture that sacrificed animals.

Dimona...googled it, and no explanation about their vegetarianism.

[DeliberateCruelty]

Flame knows about Paganism not I but i did hear that certain sect of Pagan did not eat meat and have immense love for mother earth.

[FlameVideos]

Yes, a CELTIC PAGAN tribe. We had our own countries too. Your cultural ignorance amazes me (and no, that is not a compliment, clearly that needs to be explained). We did NOT eat meat, it goes against the basic religious beliefs for a start, they thought the Gods lived in Animals. Strand tests on my ancestors' bodies showed they never ate it. I actually work as a Scientist, I know about this line of work. It is WIDELY publicised that the people of Dimona are 100% Vegan. Do some real research.

[beerkat88]

Vegan claims are supported by science, lab studies, and human population studies. Claims of rednecks/hunters/ and the carnivore crowd are supported by meat-industry myths, apathy, psychosis, ignorance, and bloodlust. Which group should we believe?

[DeliberateCruelty]

LOL thank you beerkat!

[Opsomaniac]

Haha

[DeliberateCruelty]

Hahhah a I had to laugh at this comment again LOL

. "Claims of rednecks/hunters/ and the carnivore crowd are supported by meat-industry myths, apathy, psychosis, ignorance, and bloodlust. Which group should we believe?"

[jetthead756]

@beerkat88  No, they're from very biased, misinformed, and dogmatic vegan sources. Vegans outright reject any real medical facts

[simonhurst0707]

@beerkat88 Actually you'll find that most studies that support a Vegan diet are mostly posted by fundamentalist groups. in fact if you google anything that relates to a vegan diet you'll find swarms and swarms of incorrect data regarding the subject purely because fundamentalist groups have flooded the internet with their own information. I would only trust studies conducted by places like the CATO institute. if you find anything with "Dr" signature or "independent research" on. Its mostly fake.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 You are dishonest or you didn't research. The China Study. Read it.

Yes, when provided with a supplemented diet fir for omnivores, the canine diet is just fine plant-based. Again, research before forming opinions. People don't like to have to repeat themselves when attempting to engage you.

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty Excuse me, dishonest? i have done a lot of research but i am still researching. I am being VERY careful about what research i find on the internet because i have found more than a lot of false claims by animal right activist groups. Im trying to find unbias information, which is much harder than it sounds. I wasnt asking you to repeat yourself, i was asking you opinion of changing a canine's natural diet. but now that ive heard your bias, i really dont want your opinion.

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty You are so closed minded about this subject because i havent yet researched about a vegan diet in K9's and you believe thats grounds i dont know anything at all. thats worst responce anyone has ever given me. Are you trying to start a fight with me? Because you're being very nieve and childish. you want to recuit people into veganism but you cant even have an open discussion about why people should, and you just call them murderers? you're just turning people against it.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 I just wanted to inform you that the supposed incident with your friend is not the definitive experience, for responsible vegan people. Neglect is the cause of the death of the dog (and infant), not veganism.

I then explained this, you wanted it re-explained. Seemed like you were being passive-aggressive.

You/re right: I am close-minded. There is no reason for animal agriculture, it causes mass amounts of suffering and destruction. Instead of people researching, they consume.

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty I understand, Now thats a much better response, thank you.

i must go but i hope we might be able to discuss further. I am very interested in your opinions and knowlage on this subject.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 If you're interested, I'll suggest reading material some time. Have a nice night.

[simonhurst0707]

@thestreetsempty continued>> You must see how you're turning people agenst your cause by doing this. By calling people murderers you're isolating them. if you want people to "Go Vegan" then you are very much doing it in the wrong way. You're actually doing more harm to your cause than helping it. People dont respond well to shock tactics unless they have self esteam issues. You can read a study on these tactics and their flaws through the CATO institute, if you want to go in depth.

[thestreetsempty]

@simonhurst0707 No, people don't go vegan out of their own bullshit, and just blame others for their actions. I can always tell someone open to veganism and someone closed off to it. I have no respect for murder apologists. It will eventually be systematically implemented, because animal agriculture is economically and globally unsustainable. So, I am nice to people actually interested, and have no reason to be accommodating to others who I know would play every meat-eater card they can barf.

[PAU31090]

@beerkat88  /agree

[sportbikeandhunter]

what a crock of bullshit... how do we know that these are "vegan" children??? I love how it took you so damn long to post this responce when it takes be 1 week at most

[DeliberateCruelty]

I just saw your video this morning and this video took me about a half hour to make LOL! Are you gonna post the response? You can post yours on mine lol

[DeliberateCruelty]

They are vegan children then link is on the information section. : )

[NepheshAngel]

"The leading causes of death in the Western world—heart disease, cancer, and stroke—can often be prevented and even treated—with proper dietary and lifestyle changes. Explore nutritions role in combating specific illnesses, including Alzheimer's disease, arthritis, cancer, high cholesterol levels, diabetes, endometriosis, foodborne illness, heart disease, high blood pressure, mad cow disease, migraines,

[NepheshAngel]

Parkinson's disease, prostate problems, premenstrual pain and PMS, and stroke by following a vegan diet." ~ Physicians Committee for Responsible

[marcluc1988]

@NepheshAngel Oh. My parents eat meat and they've both got a lot of health problems. Or do you think non-vegans are all totally healthy? No. NO DIET guarentees health.

Now, stop picking on veganism just because it's a minority and, everyone knows, minorities are easy targets because they're few in numbers and only cowards would do it.

[marcluc1988]

@NepheshAngel This is complete nonsense.

[VeganVeggiePatch]

@marcluc1988

I hit thumbs down on your comment by accident.

[shellshocknine]

@NepheshAngel Physicians Committee for Responsible what?

[NepheshAngel]

Check your wallpaper out and you wonder why you get so much hated and angry response from"anti's".

[sportbikeandhunter]

it's just gona get better.... just wait till fall comes around,,,, almost every season opens... Crow, fox, deer, bear, traping, squirrel, turkey, groundhog, raccoon, hell you'll be crying a damn river everyday

[Opsomaniac]

Nice spelling ;) always helps your argument.

[VeganButterfly]

Well I do, seeing as how many of them are the children of vegan parents I know off of the Vegan Freak Forums.