Deeply Biblical Pt 3: Tithing

[NotFlaking]

Galatians 3:13 "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--

Galatians 3:14 "so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith" (note: we have the blessing by faith, not works)

You do not have to be a Rocket Scientist to know that you cannot be cursed & redeemed at the same time!

I'll keep my Grace thankU

[NotFlaking]

NO one can find one mandate to pay tithe's after Jesus died and said paid in full as in it is finished. He did not say partially finished & partially Paid but paid in full.

Matthew 23:23 was the only time Jessus said to tithe, but since he had not yet gone to the Cross the Old Covenant law was still in effect.

The minute we understand that God's daily Grace if free for the asking is the minute we stop paying and start giving! I wish people would glory in His payment and not their own!

[NotFlaking]

2nd Corinthians 9:7 "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

John 1:16 "For of his fullness we all received, and grace for grace."

John 1: 17 "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ

[NotFlaking]

Galatians 2:16 " yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified"

Galatians 2:21 "I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

[NotFlaking]

Acts 13:39

..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith"

Galatians 3:25 " But after faith is come we are no longer under a School master.

Colossians 2 :14 "by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

[blueskunk12]

Many people do not know what the Bible says about Tithing, that it was food, to care for those who could not provide for themselves, and that we are not to seek blessings while here on Earth.

The "tithe" in Genesis 14 actually has Abraham giving 10% of the plunder he got from others. He covered his expenses and paid his friends for helping him out from that same plunder, then gave the rest back, not keeping any of it for himself.

Yet Churches do not teach this and Christians do not accept it.

[ROCKSGGLP]

We need to spread this truth through out the world . I just left my church because they are teaching tithing and all the church workers Pastor , Youth Pastor etc are living a comfortable life . We had no programs to help the poor . We have the highest unemployment rate in the state but yet we are fixing up a new building and its not a small building . To teach the tithe the way they do they have to pervert the Word . Please tell everyone of this FALSE TEACHING . They are preying on the poor .

[LightHasDawned]

Malachi 3:10 is clearly for the sons of Jacob ONLY.

Tithing is NOT for Jesus' people.

Giving is....and not based upon a percentage or threat of any curse.

"We have received every spiritual BLESSINGS in Christ."

In Christ there ARE NO CURSES.

[johnny102marvin]

Just about all churches teach tithing. But, I am like you, I believe that tithing was an Old Law for the Jewish people. Today we are go be led by the Holy Spirit on our giving. And giving does not have to be money. I give of my time to the church: music director, teach Sunday school, help with projects. Giving of your time and energy to share the gospel is much more effective than tithing.

[valambiguous]

So very true my brother, good teaching!!

[2tires]

check out bigfredNC tithe videos

[SaintJohn86]

Good stuff, many people need to see this to know the truth of what these wolves in sheep clothing are doing

[prodigalson56]

Doesn't tithing predate the law?

[christoferL]

Sure it does! Gen. 14 - But Abram's (Abraham's) tithe was nothing like the tithe of the Law or the tithe demanded by churches. Jesus calls us to give everything to those in need - Paul calls us to support the workers - but ten percent for Christians came hundreds of years after they lived.

[prodigalson56]

Do you know which church started it? And the year? I'd be interested to find out.

[christoferL]

Catholic Church - 6th century - Ill have to look it up for the exact yr.

[prodigalson56]

Thanks bro! I appreciate that!

[TNTWorldwind]

not to tithe. Apparently it's something your not willing to do and therefore you reap the benefits of not doing it. Which are?? Not tithing makes you greater and those that do less?? It is so ridiculous to have all these debates. The whole thing is foolish and this stuff is everywhere. Division in the body of Christ is sad. Just sad.

[christoferL]

TNT - frankly - I am telling people not to be trapped by a creation of a corrupted church. The history of tithing reveals that it was NOT something that the early church did - it wasn't instituted till the 6th century. If you tithe and its voluntary, AMEN, but I don't think it is right when people are guilted into it by deceptive Bible interpretations. The body of Christ was never commanded to tithe. Its as simple as that. I mean you no offense, and I do all I can to help others.

[TNTWorldwind]

I have a family and we have been through many things. We help others and we tithe and we give offerings. We are not hungry. We are not homeless. We are not desolate and I have my computer plus plenty of other things. God doesn't care if I have possession. He doesn't want the possessions to have me. He has my heart and everything I do is for Him. He say the greatest thing is to love. Not to condemn others for the knowledge they walk in. What are you and others gaining by telling people

[christoferL]

Tnt - I agree with you - He doesn't want our possessions to become our purpose for living - our idols... as for why I am telling people not to tithe, see the post following this...

[TNTWorldwind]

Sell your computer and all that you have. You owe it to the poor.

[christoferL]

TnT -My computer is my staff - and other than tools used to witness I aint got much else - I give what I can as I can as the Lord leads - not as man's religion demands - should I assume you're down with 'tithing'?

[TNTWorldwind]

I down with God and I'm not down with other people who spend there time on earth. Tearing other people down for the knowledge they walk in. Your computer is an expensive possession. Sell it and walk around spreading the gospel like Jesus did. I know that as a tither I have no complaints. Why argue about given into God's Kingdom. I tithe 10% and give over and above as the Spirit of God leads me. Just because I tithe doesn't mean I stop giving or hearing what God has to say if He says do more

[6gording6]

When we are saved we are no longer worried about this world and its riches we want to help the poor.We want to help those who need help.When you become a christian you are saying God I give you my all.That is what I did so I gave him my all.And slowly or quickly I will grow.

[ConserveCompassion]

I am reading the Authorized King James version. The Truth is there. You'll go to hell for not tithing!

[6gording6]

How about using scripture.

[blueskunk12]

@ ConserveCompassion

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

[blueskunk12]

@ConserveCompassion

"You'll go to hell for not tithing"? Really? Can you find some verses to back up?

Luke 18:10-14

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

[ConserveCompassion]

Jesus hates cheap people!!! Tithe and you'll find the Kingdom of Heaven!

[christoferL]

Conserve - what about giving to the poor? we can and should give to our church - but the poor should be a priority -

[2tires]

Part of the money given to Levite preists (the guys who took in the tithes) was really temple tax. Now don't part of our taxes go to welfare and how often does this country go to other parts of the world to help with disasters. Who funds that? we do

[blueskunk12]

@ConserveCompassion

"Jesus hates cheap people"? "Tithe and you'll find the Kingdom of Heaven"? Can you find any verses to back that up?

Matthew 23:23

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

[knightswrath000]

I agree there should be no percentage "required". An elderly couple making 900 a month off S.S. should give 90 yet the guy making 30,000 a month gives 3,000? God will move on those who have to give according to what God reveals to them.

[knightswrath000]

Yet the passage you use in luke, Jesus was talking to his desciples. Those who wandered the earth preaching the good news. They owned nothiing because they also traveled constantly, it wasnt even a part of thier lifestyle.

[knightswrath000]

Did Jesus require this of all the converts that were saved alopng thier travels? How many thousands upon thousands came to the saving knowledge of Christ through the work of his deciples? Did they all sell thier house and possesions and follow them? Of course not. This is for those specifically who are called for this work, like the missionaries of today for instance.

[knightswrath000]

If this si for ALL believers are ALL Christians suppose to be nomadic then? When you tell someone about the lord and offerhis salvation do you need then to tell them in order to become a Christians they must sell everything and give to poor? I believe your taking this passage in a way it wasnt intended. Moses, John the baptist, etc.. seemed to own nothing, yet job a true man of God owned plenty. They were different in terms of thier calling, so the requirement was different as well.

[knightswrath000]

God may require one person to sell everything and move to vietnam to witness, yet another man might not be required to sell anything. It boils down to God in your life and what he requires, YOUR specific calling. This passage was intended for specifically those who he was speaking to, the desciples.

[christoferL]

While I believe that Jesus led us to these ways - the biggest proof that we should be a self sacrificing body of believers - perhaps - would be the community illustrated in Acts -

[knightswrath000]

Unfortunately what you spread is extremely dangerous to those weak in Christ. If your thought is correct in someones mind, (which it isnt) and they dont sell off everything and head on down the road preaching they are not truly serving Christ which will lead them to give up, backslide, or always feel they are not doing what they should. This causes dissention, confusion, and doubt. Is this healthy?

[knightswrath000]

And what was actually illustrated in acts.. WHO was living together? Hmmm the desciples. Of all the disciples who spoke of and preached about Jesus continually, how many people do you think they converted? Thousands upon thousands. They initially spread the Gospel. Did all of these mulitudes of people seel everything and follow them? Yes or No?

[christoferL]

Actually - I was referring to the communities that gave to anyone who had need - Acts 2:42-47... but today - at least in America - its not like this for most. I don't think speaking against greed of churches or the self is bad. And I am worried that there is a difference between the weak in faith and the misled in faith - still - I'll consider your rebuke in prayer. :) GBU

[knightswrath000]

I completely 100% agree about tithing with you. I completely agree with the Churchs greed. The larger the Church the more watered down and weak the message (coincidence?). I believe a true believer should not be concerned with world items and fleshly things, but to say we must sell everything is a huge leap from not caring and bieng caught up about things. I do understand the frustration as well, we see alot of Christians that "keep up with the jones's". But we cannot make that call.

[knightswrath000]

If we have the mentality that someone who has possesions and appears wealthy is not serving God, we might be judging someone God has truly blessed, maybe this person has been a servant of God and has never cared and strived for riches, and God knowing thier heart (that money doesnt really matter to them, he does) blessed them. I fear making blanket judgements.. But i Understand your point, FAR more are consumed and misled than are truly blessed, but who are we to know the heart?

[knightswrath000]

I believe we teach against the corruption of the world and riches and possesions and let God deal with the heart. Even if someone gave everything away and was even a tiny bit resentfull about it they still would not be right before God. We tell the truth and God molds the heart. Thats all we can do.

[gabestar76]

try to speak from your heart like without reading from a sheet. IMO tithing is benefiting the church building and staff but has no direct significance towards the person giving

[christoferL]

hi gabe - I actually do speak from the heart about in about 80% of my videos, but there are times, particularly when the details matter - that I do read something I've written. I hope you'll check them out sometime - Thanks for the advice though -GBU

[IndependentConserv]

The early Christians gave all, but I would not call them "Communists". Communism is a government imposed system that typically even goes so far as to control religious groups or do away with them. The early church had PRIVATE CHRISTIAN COMMUNES, that people could voluntarily opt out of, big difference. Some communes even exist in America. Communism has only left nations broke and more poor people. On top of often persecuting Christians for sharing the gospel.

[christoferL]

good point independentConserv!

[juka1996]

I'm so happy to hear people speak out about this issue. I was raised in the church and this is what we were always taught, you know what's funny, the poor are hardly mentioned in the church, only to down them and say why they don't have as much as these so called preachers have. Thanks

[joness105639]

Give to teh poor yes. give to anyone who asks you yes. Sell all you have? Not sure. Was nicodemous required to sell all he had? Joseph of aramathea? its it instead perhaps more about entering a common purse relationship with other beleivers to ensure that all basic needs are cared for and then put the rest towards whatever Gods purpose is for it?

[christoferL]

Luke 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. ***though in this world - there is no way to truly live off the Land - as everything is owned. I think we have to give all we can.

[joness105639]

yes but I I give everything I mean everything even the clothes off my back even as I receive them from others then I will die of hunger and walk around naked. God provides certain things for our own use.

[christoferL]

amen

[joness105639]

Are you sure you understand? God provides for us. Now if we give away everything god provides and leave ourselves with nothing then that is foolishness. If we let our basic needs (food + clothing + shelter) be provided for we are then able to give and share. God doesnt call us to give or share beyond our means. I don't even think the when Jesus said everything that it was literally everything. I think he would have allowed the rich man to keep a tunic and some shoes.

[joness105639]

I may be called to help those who ask me, to give the shirt off my back but certainly I don't need to give my pants and my underware too. There was a typo in the previous thing to which you said amen.

[christoferL]

joness - I love you bro!

[joness105639]

I love you too man but you aren't getting my bud light.

[christoferL]

s'ok- I dont drink - hahahaha -

[joness105639]

lol g'night. ps hope you like my response to your latest.

[ifwere1021]

Im still an athiest, and im by no means changing my beliefs, but I must say - you continue producing more and more interesting videos, without hating on people of different beliefs. That is VERY important to me.

Thanks very much.

[ifwere1021]

Forgot to say - I think you are by far more entitled to be a priest or other religous leader than 100% of the other religious leaders.

THANK YOU for reading and understanding the Bible, rather than just taking your priests word for it.

Loved the vid

[CajunPunk]

5/5 - Very good! I hope to add to the conversation...

[ThirdProverb]

Great job Chris - its funny how some "pastors" want giving levitical style but don`t want to live that way as required.The love of money is truly the root of all kinds of evil.well said in the short amount of time.

[christoferL]

lol - I had to cut it up big time - thats why I lost the part about giving in secret - and why the video has weird cuts through it - where I seem to jump or skip

[TMC1969]

never heard of tithing chris , thanks for informing us 5 stars

[Silly2smart]

Well said.