The story of Elijah calling the bears to kill children is up there with the genocide of the Amalekites among the most appalling stories in the "good" book.
So, cause the ppl are "sending them selves to the hell, its not god sending them to hell." CRAP, isit correct to say that the unbaptized children who died in birth or just before baptized, did allso sent them selves to hell... wow, what a retard cult this christianity is. Who EVER would like to believe in this retarded cult?!?!!!
Following the logic of the Bible any good mother should kill their children before they reach the age of accountability because that way that will surely go to Heaven. She will go to hell, but hey - thats what you do if you really love your children.
It would be nice to just laugh at this concept if it would be for real-life incidents were this really happened :(
Catholics believe that a child is born into sin. Somebody tell me how this is since they have done nothing wrong. I've heard original sin, I grew up Catholic, and I still find this ridiculous.
@HimesInu - The best solution to this Catholic problem is obviously abortion - no birth occurs, and the soul of the unborn therefore can get a guaranteed ticket into heaven.
@mnkittel Actually, in the Catholic religion, that's not true. If a baby dies before being baptised, no matter if it was born or not, they are damned anyway. Abortion falls under this. Not that a Catholic would ever get an abortion, but that's the rules.
Did god really give a rats ass about the 8 yr old boys awareness of good and evil? If he did/t care about Adam & Eve not having knowledge of good and evil before the tree, and then curse the entire human race...I doubt he'd care any kids!
The 1st born of Egypt, the 42 kids ripped to shreds, etc. This....Darth Yahweh, most certainly had a thing for murdering children.
Great series so far. Have you considered putting them on a DVD? I'd buy it.
@Cootabux Thanks for the comment, glad you're liking the series. It is on DVD also - the first 13 episodes. There's a video on my channel that announces the DVD and has a link to it.
My English is terrible, but please have a look at my video called "Christian family values?". It analyses passages specifically from the New Testament that show that Jesus really hated families.
Isn't this the same Jehoiachin who se descendants are barred forever from the Throne of David? This renders Jesus ineligible for the traditional Messiahship; because, both of his genealogies in the New Testament trace descent back through this accursed lineage. The traditional apologetics explaining why they are different is that one lineage belongs to Mary.
where you'll find a video made a few months ago of christians in Kenya burning 5 people alive including a 7 year-old girl alive, beating the screaming victims with sticks as they try to escape the flames. They claim the victims are possessed by devils and the bible tells them to kill witches (exodus 28:11) This is what religion does to people. Religion is anti-science and anti-civilisation and has to go.
I know enough about to know James Buchanan, our 15th president spent ALOT of time and money to have it all rewritten to serve the views of the government!
I dont see how that verse in chronicals says aything about the boy being accountable. It says he did something that God considered to be evil, but it says nothing about the boy being held accountable for that evil. So arent you adding stuff to the text here?
I think the point is made at 1:10. Sin must be committed against God. Because the boy was able to sin, he must have been able to discern that what he was doing was against God. The subsequent removal of his authority, relocation, and replacement seem to follow this line of reasoning. Perhaps not definitive, but worth noting I think. Good question though and hard to answer distinctly.
I think the text does indicate that the boy was held responsible. It says that he reigned 8 months and 10 days, and then "he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord", so his reign ended with whatever he did. The next verse talks about God bringing Zedekiah to inherit the throne.
the interpretation is that the boy is held accountable. That is not in the text itself. You think he is being held accountable because his reign is ended, its your interpretation that this is an act of judgement against the boy. it could also be to prevent further damage done by a boy who doesnt really know what hes doing
I'm not saying you are wrong, my point is that text would be compatible the boy having not reached the age of accountability. there would not be an obvious contradiction
My interpretation is that the boy was removed as king. The writer inferred that he must have done something evil for that to happen but nobody had actually seen an evil act, so some act must have been evil in God's eye.
Are you serious? At the time this boy was king more evil was happening in that city then at any time in isreal history. The people knew evil when they saw it. God obviously saw no difference between the acts of an 8 year old and his fathers.
Evil or common corruption? Leaders have had the Sword of Damocles over them throughout history. The boy was replaced as often happens in history. Superstitious people see the hand of God at play. Everybody else sees the normal politics of the day.
Modern Christians do ignore or rationalize away the significance of those parts of their book. However that oppressive attitude regarding children remains, especially among the southern baptists and other fundamentalists.
Southern christians have a long noted tendency to view their children as property. The source of that was and is the power of the Baptist church in the deep south.
Sadly that frame of mind has spread across the country in the last few years.
Humans are supposed to be like children compared to God, yet God sets the bar for condemnation at the pre-teen level. One day you're not smart enough to be condemned and the next day you are. It must come down to a specific nanosecond when you pass over to condemnable. I wonder what thing I learned in one nanosecond that damned me?
It is truly amazing how in the 21th century people still believe in idiotic cult books(bible, qur'an or whatever else) written by ignorant , superstitious people centuries ago.
Thank you for posting these videos. My family doesn't seem to understand how I can read the Bible and not become a "Good Christian" and follow it like the rest of the sheep in the flock. I'll be showing your videos to them, so they understand that the book that they worship is the most sick and immoral piece of literature ever to be produced by humanity. I moved away from my family so they can't convert me, also!
I think people regard the human species as being more intelligent than it really is. Anyone who would rationally read the bible would probably not become a christian (if they have any sense of morality and touch with reality at all).
The christians should be less concerned about science and more about their own book telling them to hate and murder on several occasions.
It really is a puzzle to me, just one more way my fellow human beings confound me, that they can still profess to be xtians in the presence of mountains of this sort of devastating evidence. Are they really all THAT fucking stupid? Or, perhaps they really couldn't go on living in a universe without a divine power? Isn't there a way to make the willfully and terminally stupid religibots shut up without being fascists about it? Oh Life, you mock me.
Wilfull ignorance is their only defense mechanism.....its the equivalent of putting your fingers in both ears and saying..la la la la la...i cant hear you....la la la. They are ALL sad....
They're not stupid. They're just terrified of their loving god sending them to hell if they so much as let a single thought doubting the supposed moral perfection of their god run through their brainwashed brains.
It's interesting to me how the vast majority of Christians are so much more moral then their god. If it were in their power, they'd never command people to murder babies, legalize slavery, kill someone who picks up a stick on saturday, kill their childrend for cursing or hitting...
I know I'm going to be attacked, but in defense of the Judaic aspect of this according to Judaic literature Elijah was punished for killing the 42 children. Also it doesn't say that Jehoiachin was punished just that he did evil. For us a child can do evil but he is not held accountable for it until 13. This is reflected in the announcement a 13 yr old's father makes "Blessed is He for absolving me of this ones punishment". Not his deeds.
Elijah was punished for calling down a curse "in the name of the Lord"? Why didn't God just rebuke him on the spot and NOT send the bears?
As for the evil comment, I think it could be argued that he was punished, since it says he reigned three months and ten days and then he did evil in the sight of the Lord. After that it talks about how God elected Zedekiah to be king. Jehoiachin was dethroned for whatever he did.
We understand that when it says that Elijah cursed him in the name of G-d it means that he used certain divine names to cause the forest to appear and the bears to attack. So it was Elijah that sent the bears not G-d.
By me it says that Nebuchadnezzar was the one who dethroned Jehoiachin and put up Zedekiah.
I can't believe you got a minus one either. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that your not worth hearing. I like hearing both sides. I might not agree with the theist but at least i want to hear what they have to say.
@WhoUWit1000 If it is possible to move mountains, why don't construction companies just hire Christians to pray instead of investing in earth-moving equipment? Is road building a sin because it is not GOD's will? Why hasn't any mountains ever been moved into the sea by prayer? If it was against GOD's will, why would Jesus use that as an example?
Matthew 5:17-21 I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The bible is one sick piece of literature I've ever read. Proof the Old Testament was just fine with Jesus. Call the bible the penis book.
Also there is the small problem of YHWH commanding many acts of Infantide regaurdless of age. Either YHWH commanded killing innocent babys or Those cities full of infants were just evil and deserving of eternal torture.
My bible has eighteen, but it does at least contain a note that in hebrew it was eight 'in some traslations'. Looks like they were being picky over which translations to use.
Short, yet sweet. I always laugh when Christians say things like "It's from the Old Testament so it doesn't matter anymore". It's just the old moving the goal posts trick. It's just sad.
The story of Elijah calling the bears to kill children is up there with the genocide of the Amalekites among the most appalling stories in the "good" book.
ianat841 1 week ago
So, cause the ppl are "sending them selves to the hell, its not god sending them to hell." CRAP, isit correct to say that the unbaptized children who died in birth or just before baptized, did allso sent them selves to hell... wow, what a retard cult this christianity is. Who EVER would like to believe in this retarded cult?!?!!!
preetor1 2 months ago
"... from the bible" lmfao, perfect timing is what comedy is all about!
Nervousification 3 months ago
Following the logic of the Bible any good mother should kill their children before they reach the age of accountability because that way that will surely go to Heaven. She will go to hell, but hey - thats what you do if you really love your children.
It would be nice to just laugh at this concept if it would be for real-life incidents were this really happened :(
mehja1 5 months ago
"You can't win.... you can't win.. with original sin.."
aboyborninjune 7 months ago
Catholics believe that a child is born into sin. Somebody tell me how this is since they have done nothing wrong. I've heard original sin, I grew up Catholic, and I still find this ridiculous.
HimesInu 7 months ago
@HimesInu - The best solution to this Catholic problem is obviously abortion - no birth occurs, and the soul of the unborn therefore can get a guaranteed ticket into heaven.
mnkittel 6 months ago
@mnkittel Actually, in the Catholic religion, that's not true. If a baby dies before being baptised, no matter if it was born or not, they are damned anyway. Abortion falls under this. Not that a Catholic would ever get an abortion, but that's the rules.
HimesInu 6 months ago
Wow that last bit I wish my mom believed
hazeleye99 10 months ago
Excellent video!
Did god really give a rats ass about the 8 yr old boys awareness of good and evil? If he did/t care about Adam & Eve not having knowledge of good and evil before the tree, and then curse the entire human race...I doubt he'd care any kids!
The 1st born of Egypt, the 42 kids ripped to shreds, etc. This....Darth Yahweh, most certainly had a thing for murdering children.
Great series so far. Have you considered putting them on a DVD? I'd buy it.
Cootabux 11 months ago 2
@Cootabux Thanks for the comment, glad you're liking the series. It is on DVD also - the first 13 episodes. There's a video on my channel that announces the DVD and has a link to it.
TaylorX04 10 months ago
was that Apocalyptica playing in the background as the end theme?
DarcProjekt 11 months ago
Is it wrong that I laughed when I read 2 Kings 2:23-24?
atheistvstheist 1 year ago
You are assuming that God had to feel like the boy was to be able to discern good and evil in order to punish him for sinning?
Isn't this is the same guy who punished all of mankind for a sin committed WITHOUT the knowledge of good and evil?
btw kingheathen turned me on to your channel and I have really enjoyed every video I have watched so far. Good work.
DarwinTomorrow 2 years ago
My English is terrible, but please have a look at my video called "Christian family values?". It analyses passages specifically from the New Testament that show that Jesus really hated families.
JemyM 2 years ago
Great one again Taylor.
An eight year old doing EVIL, what a farce.
The fact that it's in there at all is truthful to the ignorance of the writers IMO.
AncientLie 2 years ago
Isn't this the same Jehoiachin who se descendants are barred forever from the Throne of David? This renders Jesus ineligible for the traditional Messiahship; because, both of his genealogies in the New Testament trace descent back through this accursed lineage. The traditional apologetics explaining why they are different is that one lineage belongs to Mary.
pirbird14 2 years ago
The age of accountability is when a boy eats curds and honey.
Isaiah 7:15 "He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.
Ebal the Atheist
ebaltrace 2 years ago 6
Lol, I forgot about that verse, but it only further demonstrates the arbitrary nature of Christian dogma on the salvation of children.
TaylorX04 2 years ago 3
I've never eaten curds and honey so I'm not damned after all. I hope cottage cheese and pineapple doesn't count.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Ah shit I had curds and honey at age 2. We were really poor at the time. Dammit now I'm going to hell for being gay and being poor dammit all :)
ouTandAbOut231 2 years ago
Check out the 'benefits' of religion, google
'what's the harm? (kenyan edition)'
where you'll find a video made a few months ago of christians in Kenya burning 5 people alive including a 7 year-old girl alive, beating the screaming victims with sticks as they try to escape the flames. They claim the victims are possessed by devils and the bible tells them to kill witches (exodus 28:11) This is what religion does to people. Religion is anti-science and anti-civilisation and has to go.
alien8ted 2 years ago 3
I know enough about to know James Buchanan, our 15th president spent ALOT of time and money to have it all rewritten to serve the views of the government!
LuthierGod 2 years ago
I dont see how that verse in chronicals says aything about the boy being accountable. It says he did something that God considered to be evil, but it says nothing about the boy being held accountable for that evil. So arent you adding stuff to the text here?
KnownNoMore 2 years ago
I think the point is made at 1:10. Sin must be committed against God. Because the boy was able to sin, he must have been able to discern that what he was doing was against God. The subsequent removal of his authority, relocation, and replacement seem to follow this line of reasoning. Perhaps not definitive, but worth noting I think. Good question though and hard to answer distinctly.
itsmaxinthebox 2 years ago
I think the text does indicate that the boy was held responsible. It says that he reigned 8 months and 10 days, and then "he did that which was evil in the sight of the Lord", so his reign ended with whatever he did. The next verse talks about God bringing Zedekiah to inherit the throne.
TaylorX04 2 years ago 2
My point was that it is more an interpretation than an exegesis.
KnownNoMore 2 years ago
Really? I don't consider it an interpretation, when it's right there in the text.
TaylorX04 2 years ago 2
the interpretation is that the boy is held accountable. That is not in the text itself. You think he is being held accountable because his reign is ended, its your interpretation that this is an act of judgement against the boy. it could also be to prevent further damage done by a boy who doesnt really know what hes doing
I'm not saying you are wrong, my point is that text would be compatible the boy having not reached the age of accountability. there would not be an obvious contradiction
KnownNoMore 2 years ago
My interpretation is that the boy was removed as king. The writer inferred that he must have done something evil for that to happen but nobody had actually seen an evil act, so some act must have been evil in God's eye.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Are you serious? At the time this boy was king more evil was happening in that city then at any time in isreal history. The people knew evil when they saw it. God obviously saw no difference between the acts of an 8 year old and his fathers.
ouTandAbOut231 2 years ago
Evil or common corruption? Leaders have had the Sword of Damocles over them throughout history. The boy was replaced as often happens in history. Superstitious people see the hand of God at play. Everybody else sees the normal politics of the day.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
Modern Christians do ignore or rationalize away the significance of those parts of their book. However that oppressive attitude regarding children remains, especially among the southern baptists and other fundamentalists.
Southern christians have a long noted tendency to view their children as property. The source of that was and is the power of the Baptist church in the deep south.
Sadly that frame of mind has spread across the country in the last few years.
macnutz 2 years ago
Religious people tend to ignore the parts of the Holy Books that are inconvenient.
They tend to take their own worldview, and quotemine their own literature to justify it.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
Humans are supposed to be like children compared to God, yet God sets the bar for condemnation at the pre-teen level. One day you're not smart enough to be condemned and the next day you are. It must come down to a specific nanosecond when you pass over to condemnable. I wonder what thing I learned in one nanosecond that damned me?
8WholeThing 2 years ago 2
It is truly amazing how in the 21th century people still believe in idiotic cult books(bible, qur'an or whatever else) written by ignorant , superstitious people centuries ago.
I almost lost hope in humanity.
STOPShariaLAWnow 2 years ago 3
Awesome video. I love this series. Keep up the excellent work!
RejectTheHG 2 years ago
This is a fantastic series. Please, keep it up!
Nonoyawns 2 years ago
Good stuff!
nishbrown 2 years ago
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GnosticDjinn 2 years ago
Thank you for posting these videos. My family doesn't seem to understand how I can read the Bible and not become a "Good Christian" and follow it like the rest of the sheep in the flock. I'll be showing your videos to them, so they understand that the book that they worship is the most sick and immoral piece of literature ever to be produced by humanity. I moved away from my family so they can't convert me, also!
gir908922 2 years ago 2
STING QUARTET TRIBUTE TO DREAM THEATER!
TAYLOR YOU ROCK.
The content of the video was great too. But your taste in music is excellent. I'm going to meet dream theater this tuesday! =D
shreddakj 2 years ago
Taylor, you frakkin rock dude.
WolfriksWorld 2 years ago
I think people regard the human species as being more intelligent than it really is. Anyone who would rationally read the bible would probably not become a christian (if they have any sense of morality and touch with reality at all).
The christians should be less concerned about science and more about their own book telling them to hate and murder on several occasions.
FHomeBrew 2 years ago 4
Very nicely done, as always, Your final admonition to mothers was well said.
:-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago 10
It really is a puzzle to me, just one more way my fellow human beings confound me, that they can still profess to be xtians in the presence of mountains of this sort of devastating evidence. Are they really all THAT fucking stupid? Or, perhaps they really couldn't go on living in a universe without a divine power? Isn't there a way to make the willfully and terminally stupid religibots shut up without being fascists about it? Oh Life, you mock me.
LordSlag 2 years ago 2
@LordSlag
Wilfull ignorance is their only defense mechanism.....its the equivalent of putting your fingers in both ears and saying..la la la la la...i cant hear you....la la la. They are ALL sad....
good post ....
MATZAMAN76 2 years ago
They're not stupid. They're just terrified of their loving god sending them to hell if they so much as let a single thought doubting the supposed moral perfection of their god run through their brainwashed brains.
It's interesting to me how the vast majority of Christians are so much more moral then their god. If it were in their power, they'd never command people to murder babies, legalize slavery, kill someone who picks up a stick on saturday, kill their childrend for cursing or hitting...
exodus21v20 2 years ago
I know I'm going to be attacked, but in defense of the Judaic aspect of this according to Judaic literature Elijah was punished for killing the 42 children. Also it doesn't say that Jehoiachin was punished just that he did evil. For us a child can do evil but he is not held accountable for it until 13. This is reflected in the announcement a 13 yr old's father makes "Blessed is He for absolving me of this ones punishment". Not his deeds.
applshmpoo 2 years ago
Elijah was punished for calling down a curse "in the name of the Lord"? Why didn't God just rebuke him on the spot and NOT send the bears?
As for the evil comment, I think it could be argued that he was punished, since it says he reigned three months and ten days and then he did evil in the sight of the Lord. After that it talks about how God elected Zedekiah to be king. Jehoiachin was dethroned for whatever he did.
TaylorX04 2 years ago
We understand that when it says that Elijah cursed him in the name of G-d it means that he used certain divine names to cause the forest to appear and the bears to attack. So it was Elijah that sent the bears not G-d.
By me it says that Nebuchadnezzar was the one who dethroned Jehoiachin and put up Zedekiah.
I can't believe I got a -1 for my comment.
applshmpoo 2 years ago
Who's "we"?
Elijah was a bear tamer? Awesome!
Get help. You need it.
ILYIAB 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment.
applshmpoo 2 years ago
Elijah was human. Humans cannot call bears at will. It's a tall tale.
8WholeThing 2 years ago 9
Well then that answers TaylorX04's question then.
applshmpoo 2 years ago
@Applshmpoo
I can't believe you got a minus one either. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that your not worth hearing. I like hearing both sides. I might not agree with the theist but at least i want to hear what they have to say.
N21X 2 years ago
I guess there's always going to be those types of people on both sides. Thanks though.
applshmpoo 2 years ago
@8WholeThing he was a prophet called from GOD when you have GOD on your side everything is possible
WhoUWit1000 10 months ago
@WhoUWit1000 If it is possible to move mountains, why don't construction companies just hire Christians to pray instead of investing in earth-moving equipment? Is road building a sin because it is not GOD's will? Why hasn't any mountains ever been moved into the sea by prayer? If it was against GOD's will, why would Jesus use that as an example?
8WholeThing 10 months ago
I can't believe how all the Christians I talk with always deny/twist the words of a sick passage I repeat to them from the bible.
PS: What was the song in the beginning?
angelandraca 2 years ago 2
It's a string quartet cover of Dream Theater's song "Pull Me Under".
TaylorX04 2 years ago
Matthew 5:17-21 I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The bible is one sick piece of literature I've ever read. Proof the Old Testament was just fine with Jesus. Call the bible the penis book.
Dwicker64 2 years ago 2
Also there is the small problem of YHWH commanding many acts of Infantide regaurdless of age. Either YHWH commanded killing innocent babys or Those cities full of infants were just evil and deserving of eternal torture.
gusb232 2 years ago 3
My bible has eighteen, but it does at least contain a note that in hebrew it was eight 'in some traslations'. Looks like they were being picky over which translations to use.
Cowinspace 2 years ago
Short, yet sweet. I always laugh when Christians say things like "It's from the Old Testament so it doesn't matter anymore". It's just the old moving the goal posts trick. It's just sad.
StubzTurner 2 years ago 6