try to train at home using your videos but i dont have a partner to train with...what should i train with? i dont have a dummy either so how should i train. i tried visualizing an opponent but its not satisfying!!! plaese help!!!
why is sifu Jin's form so non wing chun? leaning forward all the time. KO by any real boxer any day!!!!Yes don't let go. BJJ guy will throw to the ground and boy your over. Any lesson and advice should be taken with a grand of salt. Take lessons from a Wing Chun sifu near you to learn good wing chun.
we do drills like this sometimes only we do it with a boxer only jabbing and our defense is passive gaan sao beacause the jab doesnt even meet our hands
This vid addresses the main idea of wing chun in reality fighting in my opinion. Watch youtube vids on wing chun in the ring. Sifu is right it ends up being more of a boxing match than anything else. I am a grapler at heart and wanted to improve on my striking. That's one of the things that drew me to wing chun. I haven't seen good wing chun in the ring yet. Makes me wonder if it is really possible. What I have done in real 95 percent sparing is trap the jab hand and punch the face,
If I learned one thing from Jin that is that WC is never about taking the shortcut, it's about doing each movement perfectally with perfect sensitivity. You need to be in "Chi-Sao mode", before, during, and after each movement. Meaning your arm is in contact with the opponent's arm on the way to the center, and your Wu Sao hand is alread "seeking a bridge" by the time you make contact with the body.
Hi Jin, Im 15, athletic and very inspired to take wing chun at some point in the future, i can understand and appreciate the concepts and philosophies through your videos. However where i live theres no wing chun classes or places of influence what so ever, the only way i can train for it, is by myself, punching with my elbows and refining my bodystructure on my punching bag. So would you know any other way to improve, create a mechanism or mind set where i can further put wing chun to practise?
An excellent video demo, in kali we have similar training drills that basically sum up seeking the bridge because once you get in you don't want to re attach yourself again. I like, your work and your movement have you seen William Cheung demo versus a boxer, Cheung uses great forward pressure.
if i'm sparring with a guy, with rules limiting to one successful technique (contact not necessary, ie. pseudo jabs to eye counted as successful strike), and no kicking, but every time my technique successfully goes through, the guy doesn't stop and strikes me instead the moment i stop cos i trust he'd stop, should i just deck him? i end up just controlling his arms but the moment i loosen my grip he'll lash out a strike at me.
@lucidmist Ahh... But Jin did talk about this. Remember his analogy, and do not roll the dice. From what you're saying, you're doing your sensitivity "defense" just fine. However, when you decide to go "offense", you lose the sensitivity. You try to leap from point A to point B in an instant instead of following the movement without ever losing contact at all. [Continue in next post]
@lucidmist Now, in a real fight, you may be able to do that and actually nail the guy. However, in sparring, often times you don't want to "finish" your opponent, as they are often in your friends. Wing Chun suffers a lot from this, because we are not taught to retreat our hand back to our gaurd, such as a boxer would. We are taught to move in with our structure and replace our Wu-Sau hand. I used to have the same problem as you when sparring as well. Goodluck.
@Warkiam No, what I meant was, we have sparring where it's limited to one successive "strike", meaning, so long as my hand/fingers reach a position where if I had truly struck, the other opponent would be down. For example, when I sparred with this guy, I wld successfully launch a false eye jab, landing right before his eye. Obviously, I'll stop, as I'm following the rules. But he doesn't take that as a strike, and instead of following the rules to stop, lash out a real strike at me.
@lucidmist No, I get you. Basically what you're saying is that you do a strike, but you don't actually "commit" to it. Yet, your opponent ignores the "strike" and decides to throw a strike after your strike has "landed", am I right? This is what I mean by going from Point A - Point B. Like I said, Boxers are not trained to leave their hands out as we are. This type of play is very common in boxing, because it is expected of you to cover immediately after a strike. [Continue next post]
@Warkiam the reason why i'm asking is, i felt bad cos it happened so many times that i actually struck him hard once, and gave him a nosebleed. i'm not sure if morally i did anything wrong. but i feel guilty about it nonetheless.
This method would rely almost entirely on chi sau skills and would require a fair amount of skill in sensitivity. And who knows. Maybe I am wrong, and your partner is simply being over zealous. In that case, there is nothing stoping you from turning that punch into a palm and finishing the movement in that manner. I would use a different movement than an eye jab for sparring.
@Warkiam i spar in many different situations. in free-sparring, without the one-strike rule, i would not leave my hand out there to signify a strike has been made. if i'm sparring with boxers or muay thai guys, this doesn't happen as we know the rules means "go on till time's up". we don't care if we struck each other cos the rules are different. but this, is simply some guy who refuses to go by rules agreed upon, taking advantage of the situation.
@lucidmist Mhmmm. Maybe you should change the rules to "tap" instead of "stop infront of". Sometimes its hard to judge whether a strike is really a strike when your opponent just stops infront of you. Obviously if you've already made skin to skin (or cloth) contact and he still decides to throw a punch, then he is simply refusing to admit his flaws. In that case, just finish the movement.
@Warkiam Yeah well, even when i tapped him lightly, the same thing happens. Haha, maybe I should just avoid sparring with him altogether, or ask him to spar to free-sparring rules instead.
@lucidmist Yeah, I suppose the best way is to talk to him about it or move on to some heavier contact sparring rules. And no problem. I actually find this problem to be quite commo in Martial Arts. TKD suffers from this habit as well, from personal experience.
JIn I like to say somethings,first this video was awesome and very helpful not only to train wing chun but also to use it against pretty much any other martial art.I seen before that wing chun is fast but the chunners seem to lose but you're different jin,you decide to play your own game and that's what made me like this video and all your others.Also that your students kick ass.Good job jin.
this video is actually an "in your face" statement to those bashers who always yelp all the time wanting to see jin spar to see if all his teachings are credible, well, here you go folks, and to think that this is considered to be just an appetizer, imagine him cutting loose and spar, he would be hella dangerous!
Sifu Jin, I've been looking for a wing chun academy where i live. But there aren't any, so i've been watching your tutorials. I study each video and train very hard each day. Am i any less of a student just because i am learning off youtube?
@rabbitloverly of course not, i'd say you're even more so because you are self-motivated to learn! keep it up and keep me posted on your progress, peace! - Jin
you misunderstand what i mean. if you see the arm there why not just pak it out of the way then punch. you eliminate playing a "game" from the equation which would save time. your plan is to hit not touch the arms. chi sao is not your plan but done when contact is made. you have to break contact to hit and clear the way. yes you are right your view depends on who you learn from
i would break the guard to get rid of the arms then strike instead of just trying to stick to the arms. you can feel him when you stick but he can feel you too. trying to stick to the arms is only for defense
@StealthBalla if you "get rid of the arms" or "lose the touch", then it becomes a race, who is faster and stronger, if you maintain the touch, then it becomes a game of who has the better feel or "sensitivity". it's up to you which way you want to train your wing chun.
6:30 to 10:14 is the some of the best Wing Chun teaching I have seen on youtube.
Anyone that studies Wing Chun should watch, listen and learn what Jin is saying here from 6:30 onwards because it is important and almost the complete essence of Wing Chun summed up beautifully.
I have not trained in JKD in a long time thus I forgot a lot of stuff. Does JKD teach this type of stuff? I know Bruce’s foundation was Wing Chun. I am training more in boxing/kickboxing but, I think using these types of techniques can help me a lot.
Ugh i would donate to you for making such awesome informative videos, but im broke as all hell! Once i find a job, you will be the first person i donate my money to!!
One question: assuming you ARE caught against a boxer. How would you deal with the basic 1-2 combo? If you use the "iron net" on his jab, wouldn't your own hand drop, opening for his cross? Can the second hand can effectively weaken or slow down that second cross if it's thrown by a boxer?
@15madara i don't chase the "technique", i chase the person's center, if you practice this, then you will have answered your own question. keep at it!
@chinaboxer yes, i remember you saying this in many videos, but i cant get over the fact that wouldn't both parties get hit? obviously he would take more damage from me, but his hook would still connect. Also, it seems to me in this video that if the boxer throws a straight jab to your face, you would have to pak sau upward in order to seek the bridge, but if i pak sau upward that would no longer be considered chasing the center would it? thanks for responding to my comment
wow, awsome Jin, if u do a part two, can u demonstrate the evolution of this drill, by setting the nail, or adding in your attack, maybe touch his chest, shoulder or top of his head.
That was a great job Jin! i havn't watched your other videos for the past 3 months because they were either more than 10 minutes long and i found they were quiet repetitive. But this one was new! fresh! great concept! more actions and sparring especially with a BOXER which so many people want to hear more about 'wing chun vs boxing'. But i'm very glad you focused a lot of flaws that people make and made us realise it such as the bridging.
I wanna give props for the ladies! Despite the controlled situation, I don't think I could have done nearly as well as they demonstrated. And Mike... you rock!
@prettyflyforafilipin You're right. The girls did do a very good job, considering it was all our first time working with an actual boxer's controlled pressure. Thanks for the compliment!
brilliant explanations. i really like how i always come away from every video with something new to practice and also how to improve what i've already learnt.
the videos with Brian are just awesome. I guess its because you really see the techniques in use.. So cheers to brian.( i won't bother mentioning and praising Jin 'cause its understood )
very good vid jin!! i love it. i'll defenitely practise this when i get a chance. something i really have to work on, i have trouble sparring boxers =]
Super,,,
ommozy 1 month ago
You are a excellent sifu. You explain things so everyone can understand! You are awesome!
bizz1024 1 month ago
try to train at home using your videos but i dont have a partner to train with...what should i train with? i dont have a dummy either so how should i train. i tried visualizing an opponent but its not satisfying!!! plaese help!!!
beast3146 1 month ago
@beast3146 I'm having the same problem. None of my friends take it seriously :\
lolcrymore 1 month ago
why is sifu Jin's form so non wing chun? leaning forward all the time. KO by any real boxer any day!!!!Yes don't let go. BJJ guy will throw to the ground and boy your over. Any lesson and advice should be taken with a grand of salt. Take lessons from a Wing Chun sifu near you to learn good wing chun.
tonyhsugolf 2 months ago
why is sifu Jin's form so non wing chun? leaning forward all the time. KO by any real boxer any day!!!!
tonyhsugolf 2 months ago
we do drills like this sometimes only we do it with a boxer only jabbing and our defense is passive gaan sao beacause the jab doesnt even meet our hands
cameronameri 3 months ago
This vid addresses the main idea of wing chun in reality fighting in my opinion. Watch youtube vids on wing chun in the ring. Sifu is right it ends up being more of a boxing match than anything else. I am a grapler at heart and wanted to improve on my striking. That's one of the things that drew me to wing chun. I haven't seen good wing chun in the ring yet. Makes me wonder if it is really possible. What I have done in real 95 percent sparing is trap the jab hand and punch the face,
Jasper50 4 months ago
If I learned one thing from Jin that is that WC is never about taking the shortcut, it's about doing each movement perfectally with perfect sensitivity. You need to be in "Chi-Sao mode", before, during, and after each movement. Meaning your arm is in contact with the opponent's arm on the way to the center, and your Wu Sao hand is alread "seeking a bridge" by the time you make contact with the body.
Warkiam 6 months ago
Hi Jin, Im 15, athletic and very inspired to take wing chun at some point in the future, i can understand and appreciate the concepts and philosophies through your videos. However where i live theres no wing chun classes or places of influence what so ever, the only way i can train for it, is by myself, punching with my elbows and refining my bodystructure on my punching bag. So would you know any other way to improve, create a mechanism or mind set where i can further put wing chun to practise?
Akraj9514 7 months ago
At the end of the video, you caught that hand so slick. inspirational
eMCRutz 8 months ago
An excellent video demo, in kali we have similar training drills that basically sum up seeking the bridge because once you get in you don't want to re attach yourself again. I like, your work and your movement have you seen William Cheung demo versus a boxer, Cheung uses great forward pressure.
knifekali 9 months ago
how are people disliking this!?
rockloverdude 9 months ago
that last part was very helpful to me, thanks!!
83dannyphantom 10 months ago
if i'm sparring with a guy, with rules limiting to one successful technique (contact not necessary, ie. pseudo jabs to eye counted as successful strike), and no kicking, but every time my technique successfully goes through, the guy doesn't stop and strikes me instead the moment i stop cos i trust he'd stop, should i just deck him? i end up just controlling his arms but the moment i loosen my grip he'll lash out a strike at me.
lucidmist 10 months ago
@lucidmist Ahh... But Jin did talk about this. Remember his analogy, and do not roll the dice. From what you're saying, you're doing your sensitivity "defense" just fine. However, when you decide to go "offense", you lose the sensitivity. You try to leap from point A to point B in an instant instead of following the movement without ever losing contact at all. [Continue in next post]
Warkiam 6 months ago
@lucidmist Now, in a real fight, you may be able to do that and actually nail the guy. However, in sparring, often times you don't want to "finish" your opponent, as they are often in your friends. Wing Chun suffers a lot from this, because we are not taught to retreat our hand back to our gaurd, such as a boxer would. We are taught to move in with our structure and replace our Wu-Sau hand. I used to have the same problem as you when sparring as well. Goodluck.
Warkiam 6 months ago
@Warkiam No, what I meant was, we have sparring where it's limited to one successive "strike", meaning, so long as my hand/fingers reach a position where if I had truly struck, the other opponent would be down. For example, when I sparred with this guy, I wld successfully launch a false eye jab, landing right before his eye. Obviously, I'll stop, as I'm following the rules. But he doesn't take that as a strike, and instead of following the rules to stop, lash out a real strike at me.
lucidmist 6 months ago
@lucidmist No, I get you. Basically what you're saying is that you do a strike, but you don't actually "commit" to it. Yet, your opponent ignores the "strike" and decides to throw a strike after your strike has "landed", am I right? This is what I mean by going from Point A - Point B. Like I said, Boxers are not trained to leave their hands out as we are. This type of play is very common in boxing, because it is expected of you to cover immediately after a strike. [Continue next post]
Warkiam 6 months ago
@Warkiam the reason why i'm asking is, i felt bad cos it happened so many times that i actually struck him hard once, and gave him a nosebleed. i'm not sure if morally i did anything wrong. but i feel guilty about it nonetheless.
lucidmist 6 months ago
@lucidmist
This method would rely almost entirely on chi sau skills and would require a fair amount of skill in sensitivity. And who knows. Maybe I am wrong, and your partner is simply being over zealous. In that case, there is nothing stoping you from turning that punch into a palm and finishing the movement in that manner. I would use a different movement than an eye jab for sparring.
Warkiam 6 months ago
@Warkiam i spar in many different situations. in free-sparring, without the one-strike rule, i would not leave my hand out there to signify a strike has been made. if i'm sparring with boxers or muay thai guys, this doesn't happen as we know the rules means "go on till time's up". we don't care if we struck each other cos the rules are different. but this, is simply some guy who refuses to go by rules agreed upon, taking advantage of the situation.
lucidmist 6 months ago
@lucidmist Mhmmm. Maybe you should change the rules to "tap" instead of "stop infront of". Sometimes its hard to judge whether a strike is really a strike when your opponent just stops infront of you. Obviously if you've already made skin to skin (or cloth) contact and he still decides to throw a punch, then he is simply refusing to admit his flaws. In that case, just finish the movement.
Warkiam 6 months ago
@Warkiam Yeah well, even when i tapped him lightly, the same thing happens. Haha, maybe I should just avoid sparring with him altogether, or ask him to spar to free-sparring rules instead.
Either ways, thanks for replying. Take care.
lucidmist 6 months ago
@lucidmist Yeah, I suppose the best way is to talk to him about it or move on to some heavier contact sparring rules. And no problem. I actually find this problem to be quite commo in Martial Arts. TKD suffers from this habit as well, from personal experience.
Warkiam 6 months ago
JIn I like to say somethings,first this video was awesome and very helpful not only to train wing chun but also to use it against pretty much any other martial art.I seen before that wing chun is fast but the chunners seem to lose but you're different jin,you decide to play your own game and that's what made me like this video and all your others.Also that your students kick ass.Good job jin.
Kevinhuypham 10 months ago
this video is actually an "in your face" statement to those bashers who always yelp all the time wanting to see jin spar to see if all his teachings are credible, well, here you go folks, and to think that this is considered to be just an appetizer, imagine him cutting loose and spar, he would be hella dangerous!
Supermanu15 10 months ago 2
And how would you bridge if he start with a hook? you just go straight? or you go straight and try to catch the hand? or you go backward?
Thetraveller04 11 months ago
@Thetraveller04 i would suggest to go back. just my opinion and jin always says "never chase the hand"
The4Asians 3 weeks ago
I wanna be a really good Wing Chun master like Ip Man, Lol. That's why I've been watching these videos, but I don't know if it'll help me :D
FunkyBiRDFilms 11 months ago
Sifu Jin, I've been looking for a wing chun academy where i live. But there aren't any, so i've been watching your tutorials. I study each video and train very hard each day. Am i any less of a student just because i am learning off youtube?
Sincerly Ip Man of Bakersfield.
rabbitloverly 11 months ago 3
@rabbitloverly of course not, i'd say you're even more so because you are self-motivated to learn! keep it up and keep me posted on your progress, peace! - Jin
chinaboxer 11 months ago 8
Great video. Thanks.
AlexandarVII 11 months ago
you misunderstand what i mean. if you see the arm there why not just pak it out of the way then punch. you eliminate playing a "game" from the equation which would save time. your plan is to hit not touch the arms. chi sao is not your plan but done when contact is made. you have to break contact to hit and clear the way. yes you are right your view depends on who you learn from
StealthBalla 11 months ago
Good job!
xXUrbanWarriorsXx 1 year ago
i would break the guard to get rid of the arms then strike instead of just trying to stick to the arms. you can feel him when you stick but he can feel you too. trying to stick to the arms is only for defense
StealthBalla 1 year ago
@StealthBalla if you "get rid of the arms" or "lose the touch", then it becomes a race, who is faster and stronger, if you maintain the touch, then it becomes a game of who has the better feel or "sensitivity". it's up to you which way you want to train your wing chun.
chinaboxer 11 months ago 6
Very good Stuff. Important information and really methods.
00dirk7 1 year ago
6:30 to 10:14 is the some of the best Wing Chun teaching I have seen on youtube.
Anyone that studies Wing Chun should watch, listen and learn what Jin is saying here from 6:30 onwards because it is important and almost the complete essence of Wing Chun summed up beautifully.
lerojo 1 year ago
Geat lesson !!! Thank You
Tactichef 1 year ago
awesome! its very helpful that you point out the mistakes to give us a better understanding. keep it up!
hmglis 1 year ago
lol ok, you should sort out some tags^^
good video, we are getting closer to some sparring xD
abinator00 1 year ago
@abinator00 tags sorted..haha..thanks!
chinaboxer 1 year ago
very helpful to listen to student corrections.
ThisSentenceIsFalse 1 year ago
I have not trained in JKD in a long time thus I forgot a lot of stuff. Does JKD teach this type of stuff? I know Bruce’s foundation was Wing Chun. I am training more in boxing/kickboxing but, I think using these types of techniques can help me a lot.
peepnklown 1 year ago
superb lesson..!! now i understand more about the seek the bridge!! thanks man..:)
razlee220875 1 year ago
Ugh i would donate to you for making such awesome informative videos, but im broke as all hell! Once i find a job, you will be the first person i donate my money to!!
haz3 1 year ago
@haz3 bah, no worries. more important is that you practice correctly and improve your skills!
chinaboxer 1 year ago
@chinaboxer that comment is the reason why you will receive a donation from me. :) keep up the amazing videos! you have my full support!
haz3 1 year ago
One question: assuming you ARE caught against a boxer. How would you deal with the basic 1-2 combo? If you use the "iron net" on his jab, wouldn't your own hand drop, opening for his cross? Can the second hand can effectively weaken or slow down that second cross if it's thrown by a boxer?
15madara 1 year ago
@15madara i don't chase the "technique", i chase the person's center, if you practice this, then you will have answered your own question. keep at it!
chinaboxer 1 year ago
@chinaboxer Impressive Wing Chun skills and there helpful to learn too.
Batfighter95 1 year ago
@Batfighter95 glad they're helping you out, that's what the Tutorial is all about, sharing and growing as a _ing _un community
chinaboxer 1 year ago
Good stuff. This is more practical and useful in real life scenarios. Keep them comin!!
videozone79 1 year ago
how do u defend against hooks?
ManOfSuccess 1 year ago
@ManOfSuccess when his arm takes the long way, you take the short way, chase his center and not his hands.
chinaboxer 1 year ago
@chinaboxer yes, i remember you saying this in many videos, but i cant get over the fact that wouldn't both parties get hit? obviously he would take more damage from me, but his hook would still connect. Also, it seems to me in this video that if the boxer throws a straight jab to your face, you would have to pak sau upward in order to seek the bridge, but if i pak sau upward that would no longer be considered chasing the center would it? thanks for responding to my comment
ManOfSuccess 1 year ago
@ManOfSuccess practice more chi sau and you'll figure out your own answers to your questions.
chinaboxer 1 year ago
@ManOfSuccess skillfully
bndctus 1 year ago
@ManOfSuccess biu sau is you friend imo
Djahendrix 1 year ago
wow, awsome Jin, if u do a part two, can u demonstrate the evolution of this drill, by setting the nail, or adding in your attack, maybe touch his chest, shoulder or top of his head.
jhines93 1 year ago 3
Excellent tutorial, one of the finest teachers on utube
stonedpaw 1 year ago
@stonedpaw thanks, i appreciate that!
chinaboxer 1 year ago
That was a great job Jin! i havn't watched your other videos for the past 3 months because they were either more than 10 minutes long and i found they were quiet repetitive. But this one was new! fresh! great concept! more actions and sparring especially with a BOXER which so many people want to hear more about 'wing chun vs boxing'. But i'm very glad you focused a lot of flaws that people make and made us realise it such as the bridging.
linkin555 1 year ago
I wanna give props for the ladies! Despite the controlled situation, I don't think I could have done nearly as well as they demonstrated. And Mike... you rock!
prettyflyforafilipin 1 year ago 2
@prettyflyforafilipin You're right. The girls did do a very good job, considering it was all our first time working with an actual boxer's controlled pressure. Thanks for the compliment!
mrobin723 11 months ago
brilliant explanations. i really like how i always come away from every video with something new to practice and also how to improve what i've already learnt.
RequiemReaper 1 year ago
great job as always Jin!
way to generate unique situations that will allow people to apply the form.
PEACE!!!
superhumansight 1 year ago
the videos with Brian are just awesome. I guess its because you really see the techniques in use.. So cheers to brian.( i won't bother mentioning and praising Jin 'cause its understood )
sheiksadique 1 year ago
Cheers man you make everything look so easy :P
MiniMikeFTW 1 year ago
Incredible vid !! well done!
orcmaster11 1 year ago
nice vid bro :)
kabroniux 1 year ago
very good that makes want to work like this. Thank you:)
Aarnid 1 year ago
thanks
ForwardIntent 1 year ago
very good vid jin!! i love it. i'll defenitely practise this when i get a chance. something i really have to work on, i have trouble sparring boxers =]
thanks alot!!
LOLittleHero 1 year ago
Another great video as always :) You should post some scrimmages or sparring videos!
BootShark 1 year ago
@BootShark agree, i wd also like to see some light sparring.
yourtube20061 1 year ago
Nice
DistantSoul13 1 year ago