Visiting a Carthusian monastery - part 1

[VladPepes]

I thought the Carthusians were still using their own ancient rite. In fact, in the film "Into Great Silence", you can see it in the Grande Chartreuse, the mother chaterhouse of the Order. Although I don't have anything against the Novus Ordo, I think it's very positive to maintain the particular order rites and the Latin Vetus Ordo alive. They are the milenarian sacred liturgy of the Catholic Church!! Pax Christi

[tcm1doc]

fantastic..makes me want to go on another silent retreat

[henrikhankhagnell]

do carthusians celebrate Mass Versus Populum?

Is it just me or do the prior speak Italian with a French accent?

[henrikhankhagnell]

who is this man in black with long hair at 6:38?

[2groomers]

That wonderful high altar and they are doing the Modern Novus Ordo Mass. Pity! The Holy Father has now come out with two documents expressing his firm desire that the traditional Latin Mass be Everywhere. Especially in a monastery like this,...it is most regrettable to see this modern mass being offered. It cannot compare to the Holy, Beautiful, Reverent, Traditional Latin Mass.

[Masi542]

@2groomers

Pity is to have such a bad attitude towards the Ordinary Form of the Mass. That attitude does not build really (a holy) communion inside the Church, which the Eucharist normally gives.

[HetmanWojtek]

@Masi542

The New Order Mass is intrinsically anti-unity. You can go to 10 different parishes and they'll celebrate the NO in 11 different ways, sometimes radically different. Catholic = UNIVERSAL. The universal language (Latin) has been replaced with many tongues. So much for unity.

The irreverence for the Holy Eucharist at most NO parishes is indescribable, by priests and laity.

I'd recommend reading "The Ottaviani Intervention" written by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci to Paul VI

[Moneybags916]

Too bad they do not have the same Rite of Mass as they did before Vatican II. That is such a great shame

[PInk77W1]

@Moneybags916 it is still available it is called the LATIN MASS

[Moneybags916]

@PInk77W1 There are different rites in the LATIN MASS. There was a Carthusian Rite as said before the Council.

[chrisjcollins777]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this video! Let's pray that more people get interested in the Carthusian way of life.

[sonjiodaniell]

CONVERT THEM- if you could (You can!)- but you convert yourselves first:

the very insanity in this day that Catholics

(Don't call it Italian if you're Christian;

and all the first Christians were entirely Catholic.) thow almonds like this!

It is of pagan origin.

Why not tell them that and tell them to respect the Sacred.

Ordinarilly, can a blessing be passed through plastic?

That is their due to the people's lack of catechisis. That is the job in part of the priests there. Try.

[sonjiodaniell]

CONVERT THEM- if you could (You can!)- but you convert yourselves first:

the very insanity in this day that Catholics

(Don't call it Italian if you're Christian;

and all the first Christians were entirely Catholic.) thow almonds like this!

It is of pagan origin.

Why not tell them that and tell them to respect the Sacred.

Ordinarilly, can a blessing be passed through plastic?

That is their due to the people's lack of catechisis. That is the job in part of the priests there.

[sonjiodaniell]

FAILURE IN EXAMPLE/INSTRUCTION (cont.)- many saints (Roman Martyrology) have commenced religious life before or after their stated age restriction while this site declare such too hard as if they could re-write the Magnificat!-- "nothing is impossible with God;" 3) POPE Pius X (I 'm w/ the Pope Benedict XVI- not a schismatic.) condemmned humanism in an encyclical against modernism (This place is being run wrong!); and as far as my own opinion (the former was Magisterium) the mechagnism stuff.

[sonjiodaniell]

FAILURE IN EXAMPLE/INSTRUCTION (cont.)- many saints (Roman Martyrology) have commenced religious life before or after their stated age restriction while this site declare such too hard as if they could re-write the Magnificat!-- "nothing is impossible with God;" 3) POPE Pius X (I 'm w/ the Pope Benedict XVI- not a schismatic.) condemmned humanism in an encyclical against modernism (This place is being run wrong!); and as far as my own opinion (the former was Magisterium) the mechagnism stuff.

[sonjiodaniell]

FAILURE IN EXAMPLE/INSTRUCTION (cont.)- many saints (Roman Martyrology) have commenced religious life before or after their stated age restriction while this site declare such too hard as if they could re-write the Magnificat!-- "nothing is impossible with God;" 3) POPE Pius X (I 'm w/ the Pope Benedict XVI- not a schismatic.) condemmned humanism in an encyclical against modernism (This place is being run wrong!); and as far as my own opinion (the former was Magisterium) the mechagnism stuff.

[sonjiodaniell]

Dissappointed. People expect wisdom. Here is weel-intended failure. Saint Bruno has been a friend of mine in prayer; this does not live up to Catholic example properly. the rules of men have here been shown to have plowed over those of God. Issue 1) According to God, as recorded clearly in th 2 major Catechisms promulgated under Blessed John Paul II, each individual is required to pray, most of all for himself and they are not exempt by some religious agreement; 2) the age restiction is -

[chooseanothernick]

I mean I have respect for this people, if it is what makes them happy that is fine. In my view however. They are wasting their only life for nothing, when they die, their bodies will degrade and will go nowhere, to the same place as a serial murder who died in jail. To believe that madness of resuscitation if close to mental illness. But again, if that is what they believe, it is their life. I dont mock. I m just stunned at seeing that.

[chooseanothernick]

I would be happy to live there my life, provided they send me the girls everyday for fun

[Klemenovsky]

I am 19 years old and i am becoming franciscan friar!

[pinfantino]

@Klemenovsky May God bless you!

[madisonelectronic]

8:26  MEET the babies, not MAKE the babies.

[Nhordmyr]

very interesting. thankyou for uploading.

[TheOcemid]

I wish the Charterhouse in Vermont would allow a similar video.

[MrJasonBkn]

thanks for this i am a guy from melbourne australia i am joining the charther house in the uk going for the 25 day retreat soon

god bless

[ceciblue]

Nice video :) Viva la cartuja por siempre!! Saludos de Peru :)

[vinavon]

The church of the carthusian monastery has many ornaments. this struck me as the carthusians usually are known for their style reducing everything to the essential - no ornaments, not many different colors....

[Lanerossi]

Bellissimo!

[MIKELES08]

Sola corda, Domino coram;

Solus servus, silenti hora,

tacet et illico manibus orat

petens ab Illo misericordiam

[dagusia68]

bardzo inny film niz "wielka cisza"znacznie pogodniejszy

[lafoliedamour]

What a blessing to be able to view - if only a fraction of the lives of the blessed Carthusians. Thank you for posting it, "darsham".

Exaudi nos, Domine sancte, Pater omnipotens, aeterne Deus et mittere digneris sanctum angelum tuum de caelis, qui custodiat, foveat, protegat, visitet, atque defendat omnes habitantes in hoc habitaculo. Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.

[eldwindekkerr]

thank u

[adriana2lima]

Thanks for sharing this marvelous video.

[michiganois]

Sir Thomas More, The Man for All Seasons, upon whom the movie is based, spent several years during his twenties in a Carthusian Charterhouse (London "monastery"). The "great silence" he found there attracted him greatly. Yet, he felt called to a life of a family man and lawyer. Consistent with his experience of God, he opted to "remain 'silent'" when trialed for refusing to accept Henry VIII as supreme head of the Church in England. A well-formed conscience and silence draws us into God.

[clarinet001]

I did not know that about Sir Thomas More, interesting to hear. Thanks.

[xifer9000z]

me too .Still would like to spend time in the solitude and setting of a monastery .Having a yopung family at the moment doesnt permit it but later on ....who knows ....

[clarinet001]

You could always go on a reatreat to a Benedictine monastery. They allow lay retreatant.

[lafoliedamour]

Good thinking, they usually don't "charge" for it, but welcome anonymous donations in envelopes.

[steventhestudent]

I would have liked to have joined a monastery. What a pity I never did.

[darsham]

Me too, but this doesn't mean you can't live your normal days with the same spirit of a monastic vocation.

[steventhestudent]

how so? I'm curious as to what you mean

[Agila1]

it's never too late to join

[tena2]

well, I do not know about that Agila1, I know that in the benedictine order you have to be no older than 40 years of age and they do not break that rule unless you are allowed by the dean of the order at least. But, It is worthwhile to try, I have been a few years ago a benedictine postulant and I wish I had never left it, now I am tied up with famiiy .

[Agila1]

Hmm, I'm not so sure about that.

Having a family is a great blessing! :)

I wish I would be able to have that blessing, but I am trying to get into an order myself.

[tena2]

Agile1 are you a catholic christian? What is your position within faith adn god?

I have my own theories and have been full of thoughts and study of god since I left the abbey. I am interested in people´s point of view. Happy new year 2009 by the way.

[Agila1]

Yep, Catholic. My position regarding faith and God: I follow what the Church teaches since she alone is given the fullness of truth. I did have my time of doubts, rejections, etc.: but truth prevails.

Happy New Year, too :)

[clarinet001]

Can you share those thoughts with me? I am interested in knowing what they are from some who left an abbey.

[BlackCappa]

To be Catholic is to be fully a Christian.

;)

[tena2]

I cannot agree more with you, I have been when I was 18 a benedictine postulant. Lived in an abbey here in Spain of Solesmes´s congregation of the benedictine order. The comtemplative life of those christians who hear the call to enter a monastery are especially touched by God. I am re- entering this same abbey here in Spain around middle next years, I am now fully mature to follow Christ through St Benedict. Thanks and God Bless. Pax

[BlackCappa]

That's good news. God bless

I am entering a monastery this Monday

Pax

[tena2]

Are you? tell me more about you and your call please. What order are you after??? Where will you be living??? I am very pleased for you. I want to know before you leave internet etc.

[BlackCappa]

Well, I'm joining the Order of friars Preachers. As it is a mendicant order, I will be moving from one monastery to the other. So I don't really know where I will end up :P

[tena2]

I wish you the best, I am not sure if you can keep in contact with the outside via emails nor letter but you have here a spiritual brother praying for those who search God and who dont too. I feel you are bless. I will send you a personal message right now so you can keep intouch if you wish so. Regards from Valencia.

[BlackCappa]

God bless you too

[cheesemonkey1990]

I know you said this about 3 monts ago, but are you still in formation for the OPs? I am making a vocation visit to the Capuchin Franciscans of the Renewal (Not found in Germany... yet) in NYC this summer. I can not imagine a better way to live! peace be to you, Michael!

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

Nope, I have left them totally.

Have you not considered the Fransiscans of the Immaculate or the Fathers of Mercy?

The Franciscans of the Renewal are those with Fr. Groeschel, no?

[cheesemonkey1990]

Franciscans of the immaculate: No, they are cloistered, I could not do that. Fathers of mercy: never heard of them. As for the CFRs: Right on, they were founded by him and about three or four other priests.

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

The FI are friars, not monks. They are not "cloistered" in the sense of being fully cut-off from the outside world. However, there are varying degrees of time spent outside amongst mendicant communities.

I'll send you a video by the fathers of mercy...they are missionary priests that go from diocese to diocese to assist in missionary efforts and proper catechesis.

[cheesemonkey1990]

I remeber seeing a video about them and I kind of remember seeing them in the world working but they live in solitude, atre they kinf of like the OPs then: Semi monstic. I loved the spirituality portrayed by the Franciscans of the Immaculate.

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

Yes, they're the same as Dominicans: the most popular groups of mendicant orders would be the Franciscans, Dominicans and Carmelites.

When you check the videos of the FI from Australia, they are always seen outside working with people.

[cheesemonkey1990]

Carmelites: I forgot they had a chloistered order as well as a friar order.

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

There are also cloistered Dominican nuns. I've met some :)

[cheesemonkey1990]

I think I have too, I know a dominican commuity is the south of my home state, but I am not sure if they are cloistered.

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

Well, you already have good options with the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Renewal and the Fathers of Mercy. You should first decide whether you are really called to a life as that lived by St. Francis.

[cheesemonkey1990]

I think I am. That is what atteracts me to the CFRs, they live just like the earliest friars did. In poverty tending to the material and spiriitual needs of the people as their tallents permitted. This is ever true today, most of them are very musically inclined and others are good at sports such as basket ball or skateboarding. I do not like the idea of being even semi chloistered, even though I bet those guys have a spirituality to rival even the cartusians :) (All in good humor of course!)

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

Ah, then you really have found the right guys in the CFRs.

God bless you then ;)

And don't forget to keep in touch! Perhaps you should start a youtube like the FIs.

[cheesemonkey1990]

That would be awesome, accept they do not use computers. I had to hand write and mail a letter to them and ask for a vocation visit. They use the internet only for communication outside the US and Canada. Accept from that, they do not use computers to commuicate! They are VERY strict on their vow of poverty. if I could I would though!

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

So people who truly live their vows! That means no more word from you, then? Dun forget to say bye before leaving

Thanks and peace to you and God's guidance!

[cheesemonkey1990]

Are you trying to get rid of me!? :P I am just making a visit out there this summer and not starting my postulancy until at the earliest next fall. Even then I will send messages to all of you asking for mailing addresses so I will be around for a while. But thak you for your friendship and supoort none the less! God's peace!

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

Ah, no no, not trying to get rid of you at all :P Yeh, it'd be cool to stay in contact. The next start in my life starts next fall also since theology starts only in the winter semester over here.

You're in my prayers.

[cheesemonkey1990]

Yeah, I know, I was kidding with you! I hope to be able to stay in touch with you. What are you studying for now?

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

I currently am not studying. Theology starts next year and I missed the start for this year's winter semester because I was in the monastery.

[cheesemonkey1990]

theology, are you planning on becomming a priest other than a dominican or are you just going to teach it?

[BlackCappa]

@cheesemonkey1990

My dream would be the priesthood - especially as a religious, but only God knows if that will be possible someday. I'm going to study theology without really knowing what will happen. I entrust myself unto God's good will.

[cheesemonkey1990]

good! We need more holy priests in the world. we have a shortage of priests but we have an even shorter supply of GOOD priests. Anyway, you are doing the right thing, pray and see what God wants of you.

Peace and good!

[BlackCappa]

His Will be done ;)

Pax et Bonum

[cheesemonkey1990]

He knows what he is doing,

[BlackCappa]

That we can all be certain of ;)

[vinavon]

Hi, how did you make the choice for a Charterhouse? Are you American and how old are you? Sorry for bombarding you with all these questions. But I find the teachings (more his life and the rule of the monks and nuns in the charterhouse) of s. Bruno very true. It is focussing on what is important - LUI. But how do you see the compromise between comunitarian and solitary life? I have heard from monks and nuns in the Charterhouse that the hardest aspect of their life is comunitarian life.

[cheesemonkey1990]

The best way is to pray and ask God what he wants of you. There are a lot of communities out there to choose from. Anyway, choose the best one that suites you as a person. As for choosing an individual monestery, I really do not know much about monastic life but I think you just go where they send you. Yes, I am american and I am 19 years old. If you want I will send you a personal message and we can talk in more extended dialouge.

[cheesemonkey1990]

oops, forgot: Gof love you and peace be to you!

[Archangel777Catholic]

@BlackCappa Amen to that!

[cheesemonkey1990]

monastic or mendicant?

[ForFriarsandMonks]

Grazie per questo vid. Since you don't have a comments board, I want to tell you that sanmiguelillo moved his channel to miguelillosan . Non parlo italiano propriamente, scusa. Alla prossima. †Pax

[vegeboyx]

@steventhestudent It´s never too late to join a monastery - I´m quite old already and going to join an orthodox monastery the coming spring. God bless you all.

[xprofessorelliot]

@steventhestudent Haven't you seen "That's Tough"?!?!

[vdmaart]

Thank you so much! Since I am not very familiar with Italian, I found that TV show hard to understand when I watched it once. Now the added subtitles help a lot. So thank you very much! May God be with you and help you to spread your word: We certainly need to rediscover contemplation in our Christian life.

[pauldrew08]

thanks for uploading the vdo... its is so fascinating to know there are people who in the silent part of thw world praying for your soul.

[contessaoreilly]

I enjoyed part one very much,do you have part 2?

[darsham]

In total they are 4 parts, in these days, when I'll have time, I'll add the rest...