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  • This is a free website it is not censorship they can run it however they want.I know Its stupid how everyone has to be liberal about everything but who gives a shit.People shouldn't take the internet seriously anyway

  • What a retard.

  • EVERYONE get's suspended for no good reason!

  • @AzArAzA95

    Everyone with an OPINION gets suspended for no good reason.

  • Indeed, religion must die.

  • @Dan742617000027

    Good luck with that.

    3/4 the world is religious. It's human nature to believe and follow an idol/s.

  • @ ObliviuxProductions

    I'm aware of how unlikely it is that religion will one day cease to exist. It's a beautiful thought though. Living in a world where you don't have to worry about offending someone over their fairytale beliefs.

  • @Dan742617000027

    Well. I live my life without offending anyone. So yeah I already live in that beautiful world.

    Amazingathiest takes it too far with his idiocy and thus people get offended.

    Instead of saying "the earth rotates around the sun". He says "blah blah you religious people are idiots, christians suck my dick here have this logic". Which is.. a primitive form of building a discussion. If I were to put my views onto some one else I would show respect for theirs first.

  • @ ObliviuxProductions

    I think you meant to say that you try to live your life without offending anyone. Surely you've offended someone in the past & it's likely you will offend someone in the future.

    Also, Tj is one of the most creative & original content providers on YouTube. He has a wide variety of entertaining videos & only narrow-minded people want to silence him.

  • @Dan742617000027

    I'm not into silencing him, but I see why other people want to. I enjoy watching his views on politics and background because they are interesting and informative. His anti-religion videos, however, are like a bunch of captain obvious' clashed together.

  • @ ObliviuxProductions

    I'm glad you like watching most of his videos & I'm glad you don't want to silence him. However, I can't see why other people want to. I don't think any content provider should have to follow certain guidelines to avoid getting flagged. I think YouTube should allow people to voice their opinions, even if what they are saying offends others. YouTube needs to get rid of this flagging system & keep free speech alive!

  • I like this guy but an 'artist'?? Get a grip man and don't use pretentious and egotistical terms to describe yourself.

  • Idiocity* lolz

  • At the end of the day he DOES have a right to express his views and beliefs, he titles his videos as they are so why watch them if you know you are going to get offended its plain idiocy!

  • In Gaelic society, women had greater freedom, independence and rights to property than in other European societies of the time.

    Some women even attained the status of queen, such as queens Medb and Macha of the Ulster Cycle.

    However, laws influenced by the church would later disadvantage women.

  • Inciting religious hatred? Religion is sorely outdated anyway.

    Beleiving in imaginary beings and ridiculous rituals are so 2,000 years ago.

    Any that is a pretty hyprocritical thing to say seeing as the ridiculous amounts of real hatred religion has insighted into communities throughout the world.

    Here is I quote I like from wikipedia (will post in another comment):

  • learn english, no better just die already

  • You're really not that important, please die. Thank you.

  • I just don't get all the abuse you hurl at each other?! Have we lernt NOTHING

    Any faithful people leaving inflammory comments, you should be ASHAMED of yourselves!

  • The man still should have every right to his forum, regardless of his views. Don't you see that denying his freedom of expression is wrong.

    Ok it would be better if he didn't use some of the titles he does, but he is trying to piss you off. You're just playing into his hands! Better would be to remove you 'excited' comments, and just say "no, you have a shallow view and are blinkered" nothing is that important!

  • dude, you are a fucking retard you try to act cool on youtube with religious views? huh? get yourself a hair cut and try living yourself in real life retarded atheist

  • their are thousands of christians praying for you now.

  • They only want free speech until they hear something they don't like.

  • i love you man and i'm praying for you and your life that disapointed you and the things that give you grief man. things will get better for you and me i just know it dude..!!!! keep ya head up.

  • How do you know it was the creationists who flagged TAA as inapprpriate? or removed him because they dislike him? Could possible have been anybody else that might of found TAA offensive.

  • He doesnt harrass religious people -.- its your fucking choise to watch his vids. Dont act like babys just because he prooves relgious viewpoints as wrong just by simple reason. It seems many of you dont comprehend the purpose of THIS vid either. Read what tooltime9901 wrote.. its about censoring, not about TAA.

  • 1. He's been back for a long time.

    2. He calls people out on their idiocy and provides proof and facts about it.

  • fuck off, it's all fair play, religious views shouldn't be immune to criticism

  • TheoryReviewGuy, saying someone is dumb is a little odd in your case. Your featured video displays your own math of human population growth on the planet for the last 6000 years. Considering it couldn't even work as a growth chart for bacteria, let alone people, you shouldn't call people dumb without a reference to your own intellect first.

  • Thy faggotry be damned

  • I hate censorship in all of its forms.

  • dude theres such thing a free speech...u shud just write viewer discretion is advised

  • if i was an atheist,i would be happy as hell if he got suspended ... the man is an embarrassment.

  • That really has nothing to do with it. He might or might not be an embarrassment to 'atheists'. That has nothing to do with the fact that he got falsely suspended. I mean christians could have said the same thing about VFX when he was falsely suspended. Still a lot of atheists spoke out against his suspension because it was wrong.

  • JESUS LOVES YOU!!

  • SANTA LOVES YOU TO!! :)

  • Yup but he thinks you a c*+t!

  • A) he's back already

    B) why would you indirectly condone youtube censorship? Every time you do that you're making a rod for your own back.

  • He's already back? O well I obviously don't keep up with him.

    You say censorship I say lets have some decency standards.

    To some any standard is censorship.

    Until of course you ask a few simple questions of what language is tolerated in their own home and you see the hipocrite.

    "Rod for my back??" This is jerry springer tube please...

  • "You say censorship I say lets have some decency standards."

    I think I could possible make the argument that the bible is offensive. What would you then do if YT were to ban all videos talking about it because atheist started to flag them.

    You see how easily it could all turn on you. You might not like what he says and how he says it but you have the freedom not to listen to him.

  • O come on man! "Lickin pussy,ramming bats up her cunt etc etc." And thats just the beginning of his FREE SPEECH.

    Scratching his balls and sniffing etc.

    How fast you think my channel would last if I mentioned raming a bat up a homosexuals ass?

    About 5 minutes.

    TJ has said numerous times physical tortureous comments about women.

    But he's an atheist. You can say anything if you're an atheist on youtube.

    Do you think I should be able to talk about ramming bats up homosexuals asses?

  • Unequivocally yes you should be able to talk about ramming bats up homosexual asses and the YT community at large should be able to talk about how disgusting you are for saying it.

    Make it fun an comedic like TAA and who knows you just might gain a few subscribers.

    I'm also quite intrigued about how much you know about him. Why watch if you know he's going to offend you - unless of course you like being offended because it gives you an excuse to be self righteous.

  • Well since you've opened the door wide open here lets enter.

    Do you allow "ramming cunts" etc language in your home?

    Of course free speech is allowed in your home isn't it?

  • There's a fatal flaw in your argument. Youtube isn't your mommy and daddy.

    Further if you really want to make that analogy it's more like you've entered TAAs' home and told him that he isn't allowed to say "ramming cunts". Now if you were forced to listen to TJ that would be completely something different.

  • And you've avoided the question. And by doing so avoided the issue.

  • Yes, I avoided the question. Why? Because it has no relevance to the topic. By falsely characterizing the situation you've created a red herring. You are avoiding the issue dinehope not me.

    Whether or not I allow someone to swear in my house has nothing to do with the situation. Now if you still remain curious if I do so you might ask me privately but here stay on topic.

  • Still can't reconcile your own morals and what society should allow.

    And you refuse to even think about it!!

    And "may" I ask you something privately ROFL.

    You're funny!!

  • Im an artist with an inferiority complex and an insatiable need to be heard taa DURFFFFF! ha ha square.

  • Is he still suspended?

  • yes, thats why he uploaded a video saying he is banned. FAIL!

  • Reinstate TAA! This is ridiculous! Censorship is outrageous! We live in America. Everybody could potentially be offended by anything. There is no objective basis for "offense." Everyone is "offended" by different things. Reinstate TAA.

  • if there is no objective basis for offense, why should we give nod that censorship isn't okay? Do whatever u want, cuz people are gonna be offended by anything

  • What I mean to say is that within the context of a free country with a first amendment that guarentees freedom of speech, there is no objective basis for offense because everybody comes from a different backround and have different values and beliefs and therefore will be offended by all sort of different things. I was not talking about censorship aside from saying that it has no place in a free society which allows freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

  • it is sad that people pay more attention to a death of some nobody named Michael Jackson. This is done, but nobody seems to car about this. Some people may njot even know TheAmazing atheist. i THINK IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CULTUREd. We need to change the education system.

  • I don't agree with the Amazing Athiests viewpoint. HOWEVER, his videos should NEVER be taken down. I've grown tired of sites like Youtube, who create their own rules, as they go along...

  • It's a persecution story! come on amazingatheist, you can totally own this. Christians love a good persecution story, just milk it for what it is worth lolololol

  • Say your bye byes hahaha

    he will be gone ;)

  • He's temporarily suspended, you fucking moron.. Keyword TEMPORARILY. Are you that intimidated by his message of secularity that you need to rejoice in the brief suspension of his channel? I realize that you're a member of the Christian faith and therefore not a very tolerant or intelligent person, but give me a break.

  • Keyword TEMPORARILY

    we will see :D

  • He says Youtube, won't allow swearing and that he is happy to abide by those consorships, then he closes his statement by saying peace the F*** out. And you wonder why they aren't taking you seriously.

  • Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck >_> shut the heck up dude

  • Is this the kind of open debate that you are trying to create AmazingAtheist?

  • So does anyone know how i can actually send youtube an email asking them wtf?

  • Youtube is beeing an asshole.

  • I wish you would die of radiation poisoning fatherGregori777.

  • I'm sure your God appreciates your intolerance for your fellow man, fatherGregori777.

  • 1) he isnt as fat as most of the christians i know

    2) his vids are humorous

    3)are u saying being an atheist is filthy or are u calling him an atheist but his lifestyle is filthy?

  • That is a very immature comment. I don't always agree with his videos but I sure as hell have respect for other people!!!

  • Atheism isn't a lifestyle.

  • False flagging fags man - lmao at all the jackasses who are celebrating this.

  • People who flag videos and mark comments as spam are mostly intellectual cowards and pussies. What do these people do in face to face conversations when they disagree with someone, hold up their hands and say "you are blocked!"?

  • TJ has the balls to admit when hes owned?

    Hah, TJ is just another fake on camera. He's doing what he's been doing: put on a show. Of course TJ is going to try to come on camera and "admit" things and sound like the "rational, calm, logical" one. That way he can go around to all of his oppositions and claim that they're morons to make himself look better.

    TJ claims that since he's been on Youtube, hes grown and accepted a few more ideas about life. This was a lie, and it's very apparent.

  • I do not know when/if I will make videos because I am caught up in school, but I think people should mirror TJ's pwnage videos(the ones he says that youtube have a problem with).

    A different thing I did not speak about was the comment feature. The fact that people can comment, and the author might respond is something you do not see in mainstream media. Youtube doesn't give a shit about that, as long as they're making money.

  • Youtube is fucked up for this. The one good thing about youtube was the fact that ideas can be challenged. The good thing about TJ is the fact that he has the balls to admit if he got pwned.

    I hope to make most of my videos pwnage videos. I will do this so people can see that they are fucking stupid, think about how they can react to it, or correct me if I am wrong. Even if people do not change their minds, they are at least open to the idea that their are opposing ideas.

  • This isn't me saying how I hate the Amazing Atheist.

    He has smart theology, but I think he was suspended because he was somewhat insensetive and immature. But I have seen one too many Christians on youtube like that who were not suspended.

  • GO!! freedom of speech don't let anyone ban it. of course screw the haters

  • This is what he gets for his anti-God sentiments. Maybe he will realize that this a message from God. He loves youtube and now God has taken it away from him for his blashphemy

  • screw you, god my ass, people banned him, which people? believers, maybe like you. so don't say it's a god doing it, it's believers who think they may own the world like the fascists think.

  • What a pathetic comment....

  • Dammit, even a douche like TAA didn't deserve this.

  • sorry for not believing in your god last time i checked NOT doing something wasn't a crime.

  • I am his friend. i try to help him.

    You want to sent him to hell?

  • Do you speak proper english? Or are you a third-world countryman who simply was told to love jesus?

  • You're delusional.

  • Amazing Atheist I love you

  • Keeping going man.

    There is no going back to the dark ages.

    The light will shine and you will continue to lead.

    Death to the darkness.

  • I just had a video taken down, so when they say "it could be anyone else" they are right.

    Don't let them have the last word.

  • man this is fucking bullshit!!!!!!!! go to anouther web site and start making vids on there... ill follow you man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • probably collecting donations? .. oh man, fuck off.

  • As I said to TJ in his latest vid: what's the solution to this problem? We all know it's a problem, but I've yet to see a workable solution offered by anyone. I'm at a loss myself, so I understand the vacancy of ideas.

  • popecorkyl: you're a twat. who cares about his size? it's what he talks about and the way he presents himself that's up for debate right now...and that last stab is just plain lame, man. Seriously, if you focus on the image and not the message, you're missing everything that really matters.

  • "the medium is the message"

    -Marshall McLuhan

  • They need to suspend the flagging system until they figure it out.

  • I thought you-tube supported freedom of speech, guess they don't anymore.

  • Regardless that I don't have a high opinion of TJ this is just flat out wrong. There is no reason for his channel to be suspended.

  • Do you have some sort of a reading mechanism which outright saya "yes" creationists were the only ones to flag his videos?".

    I am sure people REGARDLESS of their religious or non religious nature can see the offensive side of his videos sometimes,and it exists.

    So if this view is placed, where you assume you have some sort of an intellectual high horse over people,based on no evidence then yes it is offensive and should not be tolerated.Religious with their moral high horse are the same!

  • You say not to judge Amazing Atheist, and then instantly just say "Creationists" are

    the ones that all flagged his video? So you are juding an ENTIRE populace, but telling us not to judge him ALONE? Dont be pathetic, i never flagged one of his videos, despite watching many.

    He crosses the line when he outright insults,degrades,swears,slande­rs and lets face it, videos over 1 hour are not for Youtube period- regardless of topic.

    He doesnt deserve it, but you only blame creationists.

  • I usually don't get involved in writing letters adressing my grievances or things of that nature, but I feel compelled to on this occasion. This is just absurd; free speech does not go out the window simply because people take offense to what may be said.

  • ;~; I'll miss him. So so much.

  • an ARTIST?!?!?! BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

    dream on bitch-tits.

    Pete, I like you, don't defend this fat-ass...and don't give me that "it's not him, it's the issue" bullshit...the cocksucker needs to go the way of Mama Cass and choke on a sandwich and fucking DIE

  • When Tooltime gets suspended for the same reason then you can't complain. I like him but it FUCKING IS THE ISSUE DUMBASS.

  • alright...I won't complain.

  • Yeah...

    "A person who is skilled at some activity".

    "A person whose creative work shows sensitivity and imagination".

    Some feel his work is creative and sensitive, and some of it is, some of it isn't, as with any artist. His work does fall under these categories as a result, so instead of making inane comments, you should have learned the defenition of "Artist".

    When an audience deems you an artist, by the very defenition of ARTIST, you ARE an artist.

    Goddamn...

  • thanks for the lecture.

    and you should learn to mind you business...need a lengthy and meandering D-E-F-I-N-I-T-I-O-N of that, champ?

  • Thanks for proving that you're a close-minded and whiny bitch. :D

  • What do you prove with your comment about you?

  • and thank you for amusing me to no end, sport-o  :D

  • You're very welcome. :D

  • vimeo is wayyy better than youtube.

  • Jeeze... these people are ridiculous.

  • tj is just afraid the partner money will be interrupted...this guy is all about the benjamins...

  • TJ rapes christians really good, haha

  • This is pure garbage and youtube should be ashamed of themselves. I can think of multiple peaces of porn that have been up for over a year now. This changing of the guard just has to stop youtube!!

  • I'm glad youtube have censorship, control and take a sense of responsibility over their public power. What concerns me is no one seems to be sure where the boundaries are and people are being banned and left bewildered. I would love to get to the bottom of this so we can all continue without being offended by You Tube itself.

  • I don't like his style at all but he seems to be a sincere person which I really like about him.

  • this censorship crap is out of control.

  • This is all ridiculous!

  • TJ was (probably) the first atheist on YouTube

    TJ vs Coughlan - the first atheist schism

    He could now be the first [YT] atheist martyr

    Possibly the first atheist resurrection

    Fuck Flaggers

  • Um.

    CaptOAwesome v. FakeSagan?

    Brett Keane v. the Universe?

    How new are you?

  • I was talking about TJ, - Keep to the point

  • I was talking about prior YT atheist schisms.

  • haha dying to log in so you can lay down like a lil bitch and pull your vids to protect your partner money...holy shit man what happened to you?

    youre like a hooker begging her pimp to let her give him another blowjob, "this time i will do it right daddy youtube"

  • I cant be fracking arsed!!

  • damn

  • AGAIN!!!

    I think, TAA is a asshole, but he does make entertaining vids, hope he comes back because this flagging shit is crap.

    They need to make it harder to flag.

  • I hear ya. I'm a fan of TAA, not because I'm an Atheist, but because his videos are entertaining, especially the ownage ones. YouTube has to sort its shit out or it will be doomed.

  • WOOOO!!!! Free speech rocks!!

    (gets thumbed down 30 times)

    DAMMIT!

  • i had to give you a thumbs down..

    That was to honor the (get's thumbed down 30 times" comment..

    Not that I genuinly hate your comment..

  • thefakeyeti - If the reasons behind the thumb vote was honest, I'd be happy either way.

  • If Youtube keeps this up, they're going to lose millions of viewers. If they're going to start banning people because of profanity, then let's all give a hearty "Fuck you!" to the guys in charge.

  • Just like what Alex Jones has said about his account when YouTube knocked it down

  • Bullshit. Youtube exodus time.

  • Isn't TAA being presumptuous in assuming he'll ever really know what "parameters of censorship YouTube sets up?" Its like the shifting sands in the Sahara, when you awake the next day everything's different.

  • Mormonism isn't a religion its a cult full of nuts. They marry small girls to old men and they need to be stopped. Someone should take a M67 Zippo tank and burn Mormon cult churches to the ground! Fuck their silly dresses!

  • Many Christians are praying for the end of the world however I am preying for the end of Christianity and religion in general.

  • Creationists and CapnOawesome fans got him suspended, they're both retarded.

  • freedom of fucking speech.

    godverkanker

  • When will YouTube come down from their pile of advertising money and realize that their flagging system is broken and constantly being exploited by the more dishonest people of this world?

  • YouTube only allows people like Fred. Disgusting.

  • what is that noise? It sounds like a washing machine on the spin cycle lol

  • It's so pathetic that he begs for money online. Sad.

  • Well, whose the one getting paid?

    I think it's kind of stupid to think something so basic would be considered 'sad', do you think it's sad that homeless people ask for money?

    Why is asking for money 'sad'? If you're asking for it, and theres someone there willing to give it to you... what makes that situation 'sad' in any way?

    I think it's smart, considering the man has how many subscribers?? If even a fraction donated he'd be rollin.

  • Of course it's a free speech issue. Of course it's an issue of censorship.

    People falsely flag videos, and per YT's vague TOS, they can say "We don't like what you said or how you said it," and BOOM, you're gone.

  • bugninja80: It just goes to show you how bad youtube is. They dont care about anything, they just get the complaints and suspend them. Because TAA is popular you probably will see him back soon.

    For the record, i dont like him or his videos, but that doesnt mean i want him suspended. Its wrong, and i would feel the same way if it happened to anyone.

  • Good he should be banned from youtube for life.

  • fuck it, we should all flag Fred's videos, and get HIS videos removed... maybe THEN they'll do something about it.

  • im a atheist, i love tooltime videos, but i truly hate tjs videos...

    hes a prick, he offends everyone, the way he talks wont convince anybody just cause hatred, on the other hand, tooltime knows how to use the words in a polite way and show hes points.

    its no surprise TJ videos being suspended, coz humiliating ppl, and saying that ur superior to them wont change anything, in fact will only make things worse.

    making ppl think without offending them is way better, tooltime does it better.

  • In other words, people are pussies and can't take TJ's shit.

  • Or, TJ's shit doesn't deserve to be broadcasted unsolicited on a free web service.

  • TJ doesn't care about ads. What's important is that videos are being taken down for no reason at all... and that goes for many many people. You might as well be saying that this shit should be happening to everyone.

  • "TJ doesn't care about ads."

    Are you seriously asserting this? I lol'd.

    What's "important" is that he's signed YT's TOS, uses it for free, generates an income from it, and that some are abusing YT's shit flag system. So TJ's suspended from a free site for no reason at all—so the fuck what? This is NOT censorship; this is NOT a free speech issue. Look up these legal terms. Please.

  • He gets MONEY from the fucking ads.

    TJ's videos were perfectly fine MONTHS before the false flagging. What if this shit was happening to all of your favorite Youtube subscriptions? Yes, false flagging IS censorship. People are doing this shit to keep people unheard. False flagging is bullshit, so his and the videos of everyone else need to be back up, and suspensions need to be lifted. This is about flaggers violating TOS, not TJ or any of these video makers.

  • If TJ gets $ from YT's ads, doesn't it then mean TJ has a financial interest here? Meaning, he cares about ads?

    Has TJ been censored? Well, YT hasn't deleted his account, have they? His videos are still there, and even the flagged ones are mirrored by others on the site. I morally agree that the flagged videos and suspended accounts should be restored, and and I agree that flaggers are violating TOS and that it's a problem. But TJ has NOT been silenced/censored/etc; he's been harrassed.

  • No primary financial concern. Ads have nothing to do with the primary concern of everyone's videos being deleted.

    The flagged ones are mirrored by OTHER PEOPLE, and not the person it should be. Not being viewed by all of HIS OWN subscribers, which they should be.

  • So, let's review. You concede that TJ cares about ads, and that TJs videos are still available on the website from which he has been suspended, meaning he has not been silenced or censored. Well played. (Peter & I are philosophy majors—don't fuck with us :)

    In my judgment, this issue is being blown way beyond proportion by youtubers. As we have shown, flagging is ineffective as a means of censorship. Righteous claims to defending "free speech" here amount to rather silly, amusing statements.

  • He doesn't care much for Youtube ads, just being silenced.

    TJ himself has been censored. His videos were uploaded again by other people... not TJ. They're TJ's vids, but not on his account, being viewed by his own subscribers. So, yes, he was censored and silenced. The OTHERS who re-uploaded them weren't.

  • Now we're just crosstalking. Read my reply to hermanoarnoldo below.

  • He is being kept from uploading videos to YT. How is that not censorship?

  • If YT deletes his account(s) and actively hunts down and deletes his videos from their site (seeking to purge all 600+ of them), I would say there'd a case here for interpreting what they'd be doing as censorship. This is not the case. His account has been temporarily suspended, that is all. This fits no legitimate description of censorship.

  • Even something conceivably small is censorship. Bleeping out a word or blurring a tit can be censorship. I would bet that if TJ didn't have the amount of subscribers he has, his account would be gone by now. Removing even one video from somebody else is still censorship. If he had just been suspended temporarily, then that's one thing. When videos get removed for no real reason, then there's censorship.

  • This is an extremist view on what constitutes censorship! Under this view, even keeping someone from shouting fire! in a theater would be considered censorship, and I do not agree with this. I do not consider censorship to be a black-and-white issue, and I intuit that you don't either, since I assume you don't object to the government's suppression of child pornography (correct me if I'm wrong). I reassert that TJ's offending video has not been censored b/c it is still available on YT.

  • Only shouting fire in a theater causes people harm, and it's obviously illegal in the first place. With Youtube, it's like you're allowed to shout fire in a theater all you want... but NOW it's a problem for no apparent reason. Anything that brings harm upon a person is bad -- child porn, etc. I reassert that he has been censored b/c his videos were taken down from his own channel by Youtube. TJ has been censored, but those other people haven't.

  • The point with the fire! example is that the rubric you've laid out for what constitutes censorship includes preventing people from shouting it, regardless of whether or not it causes harm. In this light, it's not clear why you think preventing fire! incidents is not a case of censorship.

    If anything that brings harm to someone is bad, would that not mean that YT would be justified in removing a video which causes someone emotional harm? Even though it'd by your definition be censorship?

  • Putting words in my mouth. It's been illegal on their company grounds since the theater started, and it causes direct harm to both the people and the business. I think it's pretty fucking obvious that you can shout fire if there is, in fact a fire. Don't pull that shit.

    Obviously the video is not coming out of Youtube, and going to somebody's house to beat the shit out of them. Supposed to defend somebody from legitimate threats, and not their emotional sensibilities.

  • Forgive the length:

    "Removing even one video from somebody else is still censorship."

    YT removes videos of child pornography that people upload every day. I submit to you that, broadly construed, this is indeed a form of censorship—and a legitimate one. Child pornography is also illegal, and censored by the government, again, legitimately.

    I agree with you that this suppression is legitimate, but I do not think the trite "anything that brings harm upon a person is bad" —

  • can be offered as a defense for this position, because we have left "harm" undefined. We have to be specific, lest we end up saying (and arguing about) nothing.

    "Bleeping out a word or blurring a tit can be censorship."

    Yes, and those who want "fuck" and tits censored want those things suppressed because they feel it's harmful. I disagree, but that's why we argue. Just as much as I maintain that fuck and tits are not immoral, I maintain censorship itself is not always immoral or unjustified.

  • Let's bring this back to TJ—some flaggers have attacked one of his videos, and through which system YT has instituted, TJ has automatically been suspended. I agree that the aim of the flaggers is to "censor" TJ, and YT's negligence with regard to their flagging system has immorally allowed this abuse. I submit to you that these flaggers tried to censor TJ, but failed. They failed because the offending video remains available on YT, albeit on mirrors.

  • TJ has not been silenced because people are still viewing the video, they are still LISTENING. TJ has not been banned from YT, and his videos (even those YT has removed) are still avai