The Truth of the Times 6 - Son of the Sun (A Zeitgeist Response and In-Depth Review)

[depthofgratitude]

Where exactly in her works did Helena Blavatsky stated that she is a satanist? Disappointing.

[lmollot]

why u tell us there is a puzzle-go grow your own food-then u will KNOW

[nebulasxtv]

check out the pharmocratic inquisition,,quite revealing

The quest for truth continues....

[jezariael]

...and finally they devided religion from government as mainly in modern western civilizations. So of course there is a "strange" relationship between power, politic, religion and that pagan-sun-god-thing. It´s not strange, it´s just history. Some should not try to change the world, but their views upon it. To only see consipracy is not what i call open minded and vice versa.

Btw, Part 5 wont work in germany T_T.

THX a lot for a big bunch o´ work!!!

[jezariael]

...The people of the past really believed in Heaven and/or Hell !!! This hard to get for present people, besides hardcore believers and fundamentalists (sry kinda harsh, but im not so able to express myself). Because Priests are just human too, they found out that there´s a lot of earthly Power in belief and used it to gain power from former rulers, and so "rule" the world. Later politicians found out to use the Church....more to come...

[jezariael]

Thanx for Research! But there´s still something missing, that would have shorten the whole Story. The Church assimilated (not at the very beginning, sry, dont know the exact Date, but around 300-and 500a.d. imo) a lot of rituals and thinking from old paganism. They also build up churches at former cult sites. They did so, to gain more believers and do not upset the majority, who where pagan´s (but without Metal-Music :) )...more to come....

[PantsThatDontFit]

Retarded, yes. I think that is a legitimate question

[VinnfordSansbury]

That the one whose pants are the wrong size. lol  Thanks for watching.

[blaziermissy]

Religious writings should be seen for what they are, allegories, but what religions share in common should be used to bind people all over the world, not divide them.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Binding sounds very forced. Preferably we should be drawn together like a deer to running water, not made to submit against our will.

All religious writings from the major faiths have at least some grounding in real history and real ties to culture. This goes beyond the simple allegory and gives a much deeper breathe to the words of scriptures.

[blaziermissy]

I do hope you rear your head up time to time from ancient, primitive traditional writings preserved by ruling elite and witness for yourself the awe of a social paradigm shift; people busying themselves collectively from all over the globe to assure humanity a sustainable, happier life here on earth and not anticipating such in only our death.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Yes, I will take a break from reading Acharya S. now and then to replenish my logical faculties. Thanks for the friendly reminder. :)

[blaziermissy]

For a very long time now, anthropologist, sociologist, etc., etc., have confirmed that religions, in general, build on each other. Step out of the forest....you need to look at the entire forest. It's crucial.

Go pick up ANY comparative religion book. To deny the similarities and borrowings is to deny the similarities that we have with chimps. The fingernails, body structure, face similarities are there.....and DNA confirms it.

[VinnfordSansbury]

The problem with comparative spirituality or comparative religions is that there are so many commonalities in the archetypes of the human psyche and basic ingrained morality that united humanity from the begining. I do not deny that religions influence one another at all. In fact, this is my third time trying to tell you I agree this happens.

Please refer once more to video 3, near the end where I talk about Christianity,Hinduism and Greek Mythology melding together.

[blaziermissy]

Remove yourself from the immediate culture and mindset you're in and look at the entire world and what's taking place:

We have the appearance of a deadly virus devouring the planet and ourselves, when solutions are available to stop this insanity.

It's time to get rational.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I think my video has so far been quite rational. I have removed myself from the culture before in a very literal sense, many times. Where you PUT yourself afterwards is very important.

[blaziermissy]

Our system doesn't promote universal morality, otherwise we wouldn't let our brain go into denial mode when we promote war and theft on another country based on our culture, patriotism, or religion.

The most impt reasons for promoting universal morality is A) we all share common ancestry; there is no gene for race, it's a made up, cultural, ignorant construct and B) If we don't merge no one is safe; we're killing each other off through war and plundering of resources. It's insane.

[VinnfordSansbury]

It was not the theft of another country that people supported. Some were simply ignorant of all the facts at hand. An elite few were in charge of the open exchange of money and the burn pits, something that never made it to FOX News or even CNN as far as I know.

There is already a universal morality, a natural law written in to our hearts. You make it sound though as if the Buddhists are going to go on a killing spree at any moment now. Its kind of silly.

[blaziermissy]

Morality doesn't call for sacrifising ourselves, it is our flawed economic and social system that calls for it. What Capitalism does to us socially is catostrophic. If you'd like, I can and will elaborate.

Capitalism is as as conducive to sustainability as a cardboard box is to water. It'll collapse. You cannot promote a system that is mindless.

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[VinnfordSansbury]

No greater love has [one] than [the one] who lays down [their] life for [their] friend. Gender appropriate this time :)

The power of love causes those in power to fear it to the point they will seek you out and kill you if you are truly holy in both word and deed in the public eye.

[blaziermissy]

Agreed;) Those in traditionalized power and the stranglehold they hold on the culture and citizenry are merely the "symptoms" of our environment, and our environment is indicative of our economic and social policy. Change the environment and you change the "symptoms" of the behavior.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Thats not what I was saying at all. I'm saying that morality demands we give our all for what is right, not that the environment caused this one way or the other. We can choose how we respond to the system even if that means facing great adversity. Some may be swayed under it and some may be swayed by being above it, but they choose to continue on in such a manner. If we were 100% creatures of our urges and 0% of a known or ingrained morality, we would all be helpless to choose.

[blaziermissy]

I see what you're saying but what I'm aiming to point out that morality, which promotes the overall well being of the people, will not flourish in a system that divides us with competition, differing religious gods, and immoral choices we have to make b/c it's dependent on our livelihood, patriotism, etc.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I think it would not be an issue if the rules themselves were moral and enforced. Unfortunately, this is not the case. There are many like myself who have made a livelihood without moral confliction. Most people all believe in the same God last time I checked. I didn't think polytheism was all that popular again.

[blaziermissy]

We don't need a govt or leader, b/c the position of authority lends to concentrated power, hence corruption will occure. It's a proven, behavioral occurence.

What we need is a resource based economy based on technology and the scientific method, with the goal of taking care of humanity and the planet. With that said, governed by the best knowledge and science available that has the best interests of the people and planet in mind, not by unfounded opinion or ruling elites.

[VinnfordSansbury]

In Argentina there are many businesses that operate without a CEO and all the employees vote on company decisions. It works fairly well. However, most people are kind of busy with their own lives and hence why there is a designated official who in theory should be educated and qualified to make decisions for his/her people.

I am curious as to how the specifics of this resource based economy would work actually. Sounds like a high-tech communism re-write.

[blaziermissy]

Morality is a survival trait. The golden rule enhances that. Now all we have to do is apply a social and economic system that actually promotes it and voila....no more billions of people starving, no more wars, corruption, greed, jealousy, murder, etc.

It's really that simple, we're just too busy supporting what's familiar. We fear change.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Morality sometimes calls us to sacrifice ourselves for others and is therefore not a survival trait for one person alone but for our entire race and furthermore it leads us to become more than we are born in to as a creature.

I believe if you simply made people at the top more aware of their connection to the rest of the world and the suffering they could prevent they would make almost any system work.

[blaziermissy]

. You don't use the lesser of many resources, say, oil, and build a whole economy to rely on it and the products made from it, knowing this resource isn't renewable. That is but one example. There are thousands.

I'm not just singling out capitalism, all of the monetary systems are failures. We can do much better. It's proveable. All benefit, and a much better lifestyle for all. Even the very elite would have a much freer, satisfying lifestyle.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Show me that it can be started WITHOUT the monetary system and I'll be much more apt to start putting my faith in mankind's intentions. Until the project gets up and running its all theory. If the system were a complete failure we'd be back in the dark ages. Some part of it must be working despite the corruption. The system made me do it is pretty much just as good as an excuse as the devil made me do it.

[blaziermissy]

It can be started WITHOUT the monetary system, but it CANNOT be started without the consent of the people.

[VinnfordSansbury]

So what are you doing to help get this project off the ground exactly?

[blaziermissy]

I don't know if you're directing that question to me, but what I'm doing is attempting to create awareness and education.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Of course its directed at you. I said "you". lol Great.  So, what are you going to contribute as far as engineering skill and manual labor when it comes to building the Venus Project?

[blaziermissy]

What am I going to contribute as far as engineering skills and manual labor?

[VinnfordSansbury]

Pretty much anyone with a computer could be counted among the world's elite. The majority of the world is off the grid and living in poverty.

[blaziermissy]

I'm not going to emerse myself in a book about serial killers that is several decades old, b/c new knowledge about the mind has been publicized in many many other sources. Helpful, beneficial sources...that may help derive solutions.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Thats fine. But if you want to understand why Christians do what they do an understanding of the Bible is key. For everything else, I would expect you to seek professional and up to date sources. :)

[blaziermissy]

I not only want to understand them, I want to find the root cause of why it is that they do what they do so that I may find a solution.

[VinnfordSansbury]

"I'm not going to emerse myself in a book about serial killers" (1 hour ago)

You claim you want to open your mind but cannot take the time to open a book? Lame.

[blaziermissy]

You seem to recite wrote knowledge concerning Christianity, but you never question it. What is your take on the 10 commandments yet the God of the Bible ordering genocides and murders?

Seriously, what is your take on that? How do you rectify the hippocracy of it?

[VinnfordSansbury]

I believe that God brought people out of barbarism through a gradual process as their understanding of God in those days was very imperfect. For example, Abraham almost killing his son thinking thats what God wanted. But Christ comes to complete the law and represent God's True and Perfect nature to us once and for all. Its easy to be civil in a civilization. The 10 commandments were originally different but clearly Israel was not ready for the first version that Moses smashed. (Short ver.)

[blaziermissy]

In other words....it is promoted that all of your earthly sufferings while elites live in opulence, will not be in vain, for when you die, you get ocean front property in Arizona after death.

After death you will be vindicated by being superior and special. Of course our ego and faith can validate that for us, regardless of any valid proof thereof.

Did you mention sheep?

[VinnfordSansbury]

I did mention sheep. Who is your shepard? Did you question his/her authority lately?

As for the after-life, all is speculation except for perhaps those who have cheated death and seen the other side. But can you really trust the word of a zombie?

[blaziermissy]

Do you know how long in human history that humans/peasants/serfs/commoner­s/indentured servants/working class have been slaving away and suffering in social stratification while kings/rulers/aristocracy/polit­ical class have been promoting social policy that upholds religious ideology into literature, folklore, tradition, , culture, patriotism, statism, nationalism, and a low standard educational system?

[VinnfordSansbury]

People have also been fighting back against it for a very long time as well.

[blaziermissy]

Ok, I apologize for the "poke fun" behavior. It's just my predicted behavior pattern. I always do that when I can't communicate with someone.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I believe you would do better to simply communicate without it or find a different way to say what you REALLY mean.

[blaziermissy]

R hippies and freemasons out to get you?

Holy shit...or rather, holy undeactivated centromere in chromosome pair # 2 :0

(It's a primate joke)

[VinnfordSansbury]

LOL

[blaziermissy]

Do you know what tradition is? Do you know that we mindlessly pass things down, generation to generation without examining it because it's familiar and comfortable? Did you know that religous adhereance thwarts further investigation, forever keeping us ignorant? How igorant is it to adhere to a book that claims to know all when info since then is fifty fold or more has been discovered. How long can one go on interpreting primacy so it will fit into their worldview?

Horoscope mentality.

[VinnfordSansbury]

The book does not claim to know everything and in fact is a collection of books, one of which states clearly that not everything is in there written down. That is what tradition accounts for. I believe we in the 21st century examine it with greater hind-sight than many previous generations.

!!!=== What does this have to do with the video though?===!!!

[blaziermissy]

It has everything to do with the video. If I post a video about the constitution, I don't post it b/c I can recite it, I post it because I have reviewed it, understand it, and stand behind it and how it applies to our lives.

If I posted it b/c I can recite it only, without really comprehending it, I wouldn't feel that I've done something tangibly useful.

I study serial killers. Why? I want to understand them.

[VinnfordSansbury]

The primary focus of this is the linguistics aspect. This video is not arguing that Christianity is the one true religion. It argues that Peter Joseph's take on world religions is partially wrong and partially true and tries to do this in an educational manner.

[blaziermissy]

I've answered as to the relevance of my questions to your video. Please attempt to answer my questions. I've monopolize your entire comment section. I'll look to see later if you address my questions.

The bible does in fact, claim to know almost everything, in particular, the origin of life and our human multiplicity geneology.

Does our morality come from this book, in your opinion?

[VinnfordSansbury]

Morality is written in to the human heart, warped by the world, guided back through experience, recorded in the wisdom of ages (in books).

[blaziermissy]

I agree, morality is what it takes for us to flourish, to be happy, and morality promotes unity. That's why we have empathy,our oldest emotional attribute. It promotes morality. However, if you think morality is given to you by a supernatural being and this being promotes immorality like genocide, division of the people, you will b/c psychologically confused...a moral conflict.

It's time to see this. Primitive men wrote the bible....we are now, as you mentioned, more civilized.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Not so primitive as you might think. The stories were passed down many generations until in an age of writings desks scribes began to compile the Hebrew Scriptures.

Then you have the New Testament, written in a very civil age where Rome had already provided some structure. (Despite some barbaric occurences continuing like the killing of the Early Christians)

[blaziermissy]

We disagree. The knowledge we have today as well as the technology is stupifying. A person 300 years ago could not even have imagine the "magic" we have today. Could you imagine if we could bring a person from 300 years ago into the present and showed him the "magic" of a cell phone? lol...he'd probably hold us in high a regard as the peasants did the priest/authority of long ago. They would give what little monies that had to the priest who built mechanical statues of gods.

PRIMITIVE.

[VinnfordSansbury]

There is a very vast difference between primitive morals and primitive tech. I wasn't talking about tech at all. Actually this whole paragraph was like, "Where did that come from?" I was merely talking about CITIES and places of EDUCATION. You know, basic stuff that brought the Israelites out of nomadic life and the stability of a giant empire, though slightly oppressive in some respects and brutal in culture, did allow for other peaceful pursuits to an extent.

[blaziermissy]

1 billion people are starving. Food and water is 100% economic. With that said, find your "morality" outside of your economic and social system bias, and look at the solutions:

This is Jesus Christ's mentality put into practice. Here's our chance to practice what you "preach."  True human morality. Way more impt than blatherig primitives words, don't you think?

vimeo (dot) com / 7938805

Please read the comments w/this vid. Phenomenal.

[VinnfordSansbury]

And how many of those nations were robbed of their prosperity at the barrel of an AK-47 by bands of armed men driving through jungles and deserts in imported cars and trucks? Technology alone isn't the answer. Its what you do with what you have. The Bible is not simply someone blathering away. It is an epic series of tales of the Jewish people and the early Christians and their relationship to God during the tribulations of humanity.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Also, thank you for the link! I do like some of Peter Joseph's ideas, don't get me wrong. I believe he truly means well but I just think he needs to reconsider some of the academic validity of his research.

I think as long as he brings a factory on board his starship to this new Earth this plan would work really well. Otherwise he's going to have to start from mud and bricks just like early humans did.

[blaziermissy]

Well, I'm glad you checked it out. Academic validity: You have to realize that our academia is designed to support the established institutions; social policy (christianity) and economic system (capitalism) Once you realize that and keep it in mind, you remove the bias and embark on neutral curiosity and research utilizing the scientific method. Are we on the same page?

I'm not trying to be condescending, I'm just a very blunt person with very limited time.

[VinnfordSansbury]

No, let me bring you to the page I'm coming from. When I check the credentials of something I'm not looking for any of that. I look for the preservation of information from a primary source. Basically the information can be traced from X all the way back to A without loss of information or holes or distortion. If you watched the videos and read these sources you should start to see that. I gave every source a fair shot to do this kind of citation, even D.M. Murdock / Acharya S.

[blaziermissy]

Have you read the book? Don't you think if you're going to do "real" research that you should? Further, are you negating the similarities of religion, the connections?

I can't imagine immersing myself so deeply in something that common recognition is unapparent. Please see that you're as fanatical and fervent as a muslim scholar. A muslim fanatic will trace back their religious info, too, without ever considering how or why it's there.

Step out of your box and take a "look" at the world

[VinnfordSansbury]

Yes, I did. Well, as much as was available online and at the library. A few pages were missing but most of her stuff was there.

Sometimes the connections are very real and other times they are not even possible. Many of the connections in the movie are chronologically reversed as well. For the 4th time, please refer to episode 3 which explains the connections between Christ, Krishna and Apollo.

[blaziermissy]

P.S. I know the post is off topic, but all we're doing is mincing words. Don't you believe that Jesus helps those who helps themselves?

Then go to the vid I posted, read the comments and see that if we don't change our economic systems, we're in BIG trouble.

Let's help ourselves. Let me know what you think.

[VinnfordSansbury]

By helping others we do help ourselves. Christ teaches we are One Body.

I agree, the system has problems. Its the solutions I question. I'm still a proponent of a fresh-water backed currency myself, being that if we ran out it would be self-renewing. It would also help out some of the states hit hardest in the economic crisis, like Michigan. Trust me, we have no shortage of Earth's most valuable resource here.

[blaziermissy]

First of all, I'm a female. Secondly, "real" education is designed to support an established ideology. Thirdly, if you're really interested in truth, climb out of your box and study abroad.

For starters, grab any comparative religion book from any University bookstore, and go to the "CRITICAL THINKING QUESTIONS" and read reference materials cited. From here, you'll remove yourself from the box that prevents you from neutral, logical research.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I have studied abroad ma'am. Apologies for the gender confusion. Real education should free you to learn how to properly teach yourself and others. My research was conducted in a very neutral and logical manner and was actually the very opposite conclusion from my original hypothesises on many occassions.

[blaziermissy]

If that's the case then use the higher form of thinking, synthesization, implementing logic, applying knowledge from sociology, anthropology, neuroscience and many other areas to help you understand that religions have in fact, borrowed from each other.  You might want to consider an integrate conquering and political behavior.

What you're doing is applying wrote, recitation, using bias to keep the religions separate, not considering how humans socialize info or predictive behavior patterns

[blaziermissy]

Might I add a "feed your brain" proposal? Would you consider that knowledge is not stagnt? Would you consider that the bible is merely stories of allegories? And most impt: Are you REALLY willing to busy yourself with such primitive info, all the while discarding impt info that could, in reality, put the mentality and teachings of Jesus Christ into practice?

Do you see the true error of discarding impt info only to emerse yourself in a book that technology and new knowledge trumps?

[VinnfordSansbury]

You may add any proposal you wish. I concur that much of the Bible, especially Genesis, is allegorical, but archeology has shown that a fair amount of historical back-bone is there as well. Every bit of minutae when shared with those of a serious cast has its own importance. For want of a nail the war is lost. So you see, in defending all Truth we defend faith. What important information do you believe I have overlooked?

[blaziermissy]

If you desire to put the mentality of J.C. into practice, research the Venus project, If you're more into traditionalized living based on our primacy, promoting war, poverty, and other life thwarting divisionary notions, keep the duality of claiming morality while promoting immoral, failed systems.

Btw, do you still follow Leviticus and Deutoronomy teachings?

Do you allow independent thought?

[VinnfordSansbury]

I did my research months ago. Perhaps they have begun work, but hey, I've got a life too. I depend on my viewers sometimes to keep me up to date. Do fill me in!

As for Leviticus and Deutoronomy, those laws were specific to the times and conditions of surviving as a people in peril in the desert who were clearly no where near ready to live in a more civilized manner. I do unto others as I would have them do unto me (or do my best at least)

[blaziermissy]

Just as you realize that Levit. and Deut. were specific to the times, a more civilized manner is needed once again. Social evolution is occuring, and it's time we b/come more civilized once again. Don't you think? Paradigm shift, if you will.

An economic and social system that supports the golden rule is very civilized. It's our chance to move closer to actually live in such a system.

Our culture is once again,as with Levit. and Deut., lagging behind, despite our new knowledge.

[VinnfordSansbury]

So basically what you are saying is we need less government and more helping one another?

[blaziermissy]

So now.....are you picking and choosing parts of the Bible that are "accurate?" So how about Leviticus, Deutoronomy, and the duality of the "moral" 10 commandments that GOD himself, didn't adhere to?

Btw, define faith. Yes, it has no valid, logical basis, does it? Neither does talking snakes, virgin births, nor ressurections. NO evidence or logical basis.

Tell me why you reject genesis...and for that matter, why you reject all other religions besides the one you were born into.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I didn't pick accurate parts, archeologists find evidence to support some and not others. Dude, I don't even QUOTE the bible in this video except in jest at the beginning. Why are you so hung up on this? You don't even know what religion I was born in to or who I am.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I disagree. I believe my approach is both logical and academically professional. There is a fair amount of blending and borrowing that I pointed out such as Krishna borrowing the stories of Christ and blending it in to their own. However, key dates and links which show the flow of information are central to understanding the proper order of things with primary sources as the bedrock missing from much of Peter Joseph's statements.

[blaziermissy]

What I proposed to you is simply disregarded by you. You have tunnel vision. You're obsession with primitive info is a learned mentality. Tradition, as was sacrificing human beings and animals.

B/c of this, I can't reach you b/c you think your whole identity rest on the Bible.

[VinnfordSansbury]

What do you believe I have disregarded? I do not believe my identity rests on the Bible so much as who I am. In fact, I rarely quote the Bible at all in the video except when I believe a misunderstanding of Christian views has occured. If it were a misunderstanding of Muslim views for example, I would quote the Qu'ran. Buddhist, the 8-fold path, etc... I'm starting to think you haven't really watched the videos and read the sources I cited.

[blaziermissy]

Read my posts. You disgarded my questions concerning why it is that you don't promote Genesis as being accurate, among many other questions. You can elaborate on my sociological postings as to the pattern of our sociology concerning religion and please tell me why you promote Christianity over all the other religions.

[VinnfordSansbury]

"Rawr, pay attention to me" lol. Dude, I have a real life and only reply to your posts when my time allows. I'm not trying to ignore you. Maybe you should take this to PM if you don't want me to miss anything. Now hang tight while I do some catch up reading. Internet ettiquette should include patience.

Firstly, Genesis clearly contradicts itself and although the general story of creation matches up with the flow of evolution, you can't ignore science completely.

[VinnfordSansbury]

You really should re-watch the series. Please refer to my comments in the videos concerning Krishna borrowing from Christ and Mithra borrowing from Apollo.

[VinnfordSansbury]

No, I'm using research and historical documentation and following the FLOW OF INFORMATION to preserve what is TRUE. I don't care which religion crosses over which so long as it REALLY happened that way.

By attempting to mush them together where they never crossed over one would distort truth and like a gravity well, suck in those spiritually searching souls in to black holes, the trenches of lies that theosophy writers use to make lots of fiat currency their own.

[blaziermissy]

But what you're doing is following a FLOW OF INFORMATION POST CONQER. You have to understand power and social control. It is relevant and crucial to understand the history of human sociology and history and human motivation. You can't just research within the indoctrination of our presentation of culture and history of religion. It's BIASED.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I'm not biased, just logical. If no record survives the conquering then how did the information just magically reappear? I trace some of these citacions back to the 1500's and even then they manage to be misquoted or construed sometimes. Its not a problem of lost information so much as MISQUOTATIONS. Probably because someone was BIASED and wanted to make the point sound better for their side. Maybe not even intentionally.

[blaziermissy]

"Until they break ground and robots start building things"

Are you retarded? The ground is broken. Research.

Stop being simple minded. Using simplified thinking cannot save you from your fear of moving forward or negate reality.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Oh, this is news to me.  Where are they located exactly?

[VinnfordSansbury]

I am obviously not retarded and I do not appreciate your demeaning of those who are mentally challenged. I did quite a bit of research 4 months ago based on the statements made in PART ONE of Zeitgeist. One step at a time. Simple, yes, simple minded, no. If you are going to yell at someone for being stupid at least provide the correct answer. Teaching is much more effective than being a flaming troll.

[blaziermissy]

Then stop being a flaming, simple minded troll and teach facts, not myths.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Sir, you cannot seriously be suggesting I am trolling my OWN video page. My facts are cited in screen. I'll have to cut you off here unless you have something more specific and constructive to say.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me where ground has been broken. To my knowledge they just have an educational center somewhere.

[blaziermissy]

Ground broken?

[VinnfordSansbury]

You asked if I was retarded because ground has been broken. This means that there is a plot of land out yonder where they have begun construction, correct? I'm asking you where it is. I haven't seen any signs of it being actually built and I'm starting to suspect the whole project is a scheme to fool people in to donating money. Money which, like donations to a church, cannot be traced or audited because its non-profit.

[blaziermissy]

I asked if you were retarded?

[VinnfordSansbury]

1 week ago you wrote:

"Are you retarded? The ground is broken. Research."

Clearly your memory is short-lived and if you continue to saunter around without a logical argument or answer I am going to discontinue our conversation. You are probably some PR person in on this scheme who has run out of arguments because you don't have any because you are a fraudster. Either that, or you are really do have a very short memory and can't use the alt f search feature for "retarded" on your browser

[blaziermissy]

LOL! I didn't write that, and for starters, they are going to build a "model" city so that scientists/professionals/laype­ople from all over the world can at least see how it would work.

I never wrote of ground broke...when/where/what.

And no monies will be solicited.

We don't need to converse. We're both busy. You have the ability to pursue learning about a resource based economy if you have the desire to do so, and all of your questions can be answered if you ask.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Wow, just wow. Yeah, you are definately here to push an agenda and not for genuine discussion. I hope one day you come to the side of reason instead of whatever it is you are after. Fine, run off without admiting you were wrong or even trying to save face if thats what you want to do. Its sad you wasted all this time and energy trying to lie to me with a history of the convo in plain view. lol

[blaziermissy]

Honestly, stop embarrasing yourself. You haven't a clue. If you did, you wouldn't PM me with garbage that any person who'd done 10 minutes of reading could debunk in regard to the accusations and false notions you are spewing in regard to the Venus project or the Zeitgeist movement.

Some people have NO IDEA what would benefit ALL of our lives b/c they're too busy supporting the ONLY thing their willing to know: What's familiar to them.

Btw, abuse victims have the same mentality.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I haven't PM'd anything. This is all posted publicly. I'm not embaressed at all to say that I believe the Venus Project is a money making scheme, a hoax feeding off the hopes and dreams of good people who crave a utopian world. If its not great, but my position stands until I see evidence to the contrary.

[VinnfordSansbury]

You might be pleased to know Obama is going to build some high speed trains. Because we all know technology has made life SO much more fulfilling. (sarcasm)

[Hercules2345]

For starters, you've completely misunderstood the son/sun issue so from there you distort it more & more as you go.

The Son of God is the Sun of God

freethoughtnation. com /forums/viewtopic. php?p=4835#p4835

What are your qualifications or credentials in linguistics?

[VinnfordSansbury]

Collegiate ones. Yours?

Also, your link didn't work for me. But please, if you have evidence to the contrary I'll listen with an open mind.

[Hercules2345]

@VinnfordSansbury

So, you have no linguistic qualifications or credentials. Okay, so we have that out of the way.

The link works you just have to remove the spaces.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Collegiate as in I went to a university and got degrees in SEVERAL linguistic fields of study. In fact, I'm still going strong in that area of work.  Regardless, anyone with some basic knowledge and experience of how to cite sources and follow them back to reputable sources can research beyond their current field of study with some rate of sucess, degree or no. Degrees are just proof you have money to pay to read at their library.

[Hercules2345]

@VinnfordSansbury

"got degrees in SEVERAL linguistic fields of study"

Like, which ones?

[VinnfordSansbury]

Well, currently my major fields of study include Applied Linguistics & Political Science, with minors (associate level studies) in Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Theology, Business Management (in progress), Computers and Anthropology (also in progress). I've dabbled in scores of electives on the side such as French, Arabic (Lebanese focus), German, Korean, and Latin. I also did a project on Na'vi, which although fascinating doesn't really apply too much to real life as much as mirroring it.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Aha, I didn't notice the spaces. I've been so distracted lately. My apologies.  Thank you for the link. I will explore this reference further when I have more time on my hands. In the meantime, any explanation of how the hebrew word cohen and Egyptian priests are connected would be greatly appreciated.

[chazmercer]

you cant even get the allegory of the cave... wow.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I am aware that there is more to the allegory, but if you read it you will see that there is a part where he talks about how the man would view the sun.

[blaziermissy]

lol.....you're a sad person...you can't even get a close figure as to how many people have viewed Zeitgeist.

Why don't you research the movement?

[VinnfordSansbury]

I have researched it. I'd like to see your figures. If you're going to criticize me please have the courtesy to correct me.

[blaziermissy]

Apparently you haven't researched the Venus project well, otherwise you'd see that it is actually the philosophy of Christ, only it will ACTUALLY be put into practice.

I think you need to realize this.  Humanity would be ignorant beyond reproach to miss the boat on this profound paradigm shift.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Last time I checked, it was not Christ's philosophy to have a lawless city founded on atheist principles by hoarding up wealth which cannot be thoroughly tracked because its a non-profit. For all you know, the money they're raising is all a scam. Until they break ground and robots start building things I remain skeptical. Even when if they had the money to get it going I believe they'd encounter some problems. Christ taught love and poverty, not anarchial technocracy.

[blaziermissy]

Do you EVER research anything? There is no monies collected, it's actually the teaching of Christ put into action, if you look at the philosophy...and relieving humanity from jobs that technology can replace and using our resources efficiently and applying science as we have to obtain all of our other humane discoveries.....

What is your rebuttal? Please THINK.

[VinnfordSansbury]

I already told you that the site DOES collect money. Its right there in blue lettering "PAYPAL". Christ was a Tekton, a technician (carpenter is not a completely accurate translation). Did he use technology in his ministry at all? No, just love and sharing. It was that simple. Thats the most crucial part. If we can't do that WITH a government to protect us how are we going to do it without the law at all? Who will preserve your humanity in machine-world? Will you become one with the borg?

[TanukiTensai]

??? When I searched for The truth of the times 6 I got nothing....nothing even for the truth if the times....weird

[VinnfordSansbury]

Did you use quotes?

[TanukiTensai]

No no quotes. Okay, tried quotes and it works. Thanks

[XSC3]

gold text is a bit hard to read on the backgrounds (middle of the video), a minor criticism

[VinnfordSansbury]

Some of it was meant to be red according to Nick (the editor). Not sure what went wrong there.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Youtube's quality sometimes leaves much to be desired so I will be adding annotations for people who want to follow the links.

[VinnfordSansbury]

Annotations are up! Let me know if you need more links.