Understanding the Genealogy of Jesus

[isamahdi]

Daniel 9:25-26....Who was the King written there, and who is Messiah and when will He come?.

[1MoreMuslim]

The Jewish God MAn looooooooool

[orpize]

thank you so much...this was very helpful. shalom

[MrJoshBedford]

I was under the impression that Mary was of the tribe of Levi seeing as her cousin was of the house of Aaron...

[orbitalsatellite]

so youre saying that we have no right to criticise the very obscure things about the differing genealogies and yet we are allowed to criticise the less obscure things? at least... i think that's what you, or glen miller, are saying. and what are the mysteries you allude to? and for that matter what are the numerous explanations? why havent they been included? pure biased babble, thats what this is.

[chrispalasz]

@orbitalsatellite

Care to address anything specific? As far as I can tell... you listened to, what? The first minute of the video? If that?

As far as your questions are concerned, I don't think the problems are with the video. The video exists to address, in detail, just one aspect of the Bible that people like to point out as problematic. You're asking for details on a myriad of other subjects.

It seems you've understood nothing from this video - and now you put up straw man arguments.

[orbitalsatellite]

@chrispalasz how am i arguing? i asked you 3 simple, genuine questions. in your introduction you referred to the genealogies as having difficulties and issues which are mysterious and perplexing. i came to this video to learn more about the controversy. you brought up the issue of mysteries, etc, so i asked you what that was about. i understood plenty from the video, you are incorrect in that deduction. you obviously cant answer or understand a simple question, even in part, nor offer guidance.

[TransformerslNC]

Something interesting to think about. Joseph isn't the real father of Jesus, because Jesus received his humanity entirely from Mary. The interesting thing both Jesus (his physical body) and Joseph both came from David, meaning they came from the same blood. Joseph is in some way, related to Jesus anyway.

[CurtShaw22]

I dont know much about the Bible but this makes sense to me. You must study A LOT.

[psalm964]

I will worship you for who you are-Jesus!

[donawyo]

This is great. Thanks!!

[elmucaro177]

in both Luke 3:23–38 ,Matthew1:1-17 the genaology trace back to SHEALTIEL! is THERE READ IT DONT OVER LOOK IT! READ IT!! one side says the joseph is the son of eli and the other the son of jacob but still SHEALTIEL IS ON THE LINE! if you CLAIM MARY STILL SHEALTIEL IS ON THE LINE ! READ IT DONT OVER LOOK IT!

[HaSefardi17]

Yeshu according to Mathews gospel comes from the lineage of Yehoyakin or Jeconiah. This lineage is a cursed lineage Jeremiah 22:28-30. Zerubbabel his grandson found delights in G-ds sight and thus made governor of Judah but not a king according to the curse G-d made through Jeconiah. Therefore Jesus does not qualify as a king or messiah becuase of Jeconias cursed lineage and becuase he did not have a biological father in order to be a king or the messiah. One cannot be adopted into the kingship!

[StarRonKid]

whoa!!! Jesus sure has blessed you man! you got my sub!

[vava41691]

i think i agree with ur understanding of it but what do u say to nathanh83 video.. i kno he leaves somethings out but id like to hear your response

[manmythlegend12]

In order to fulfill Jewish prophecies of the coming messiah, the writers manifested bloodlines to make a connection between Jesus and David (Jews believed the messiah would be a descendant of his). Mark proved this by saying that Jesus' father, Joseph, was being recorded during a census in the town of Nazareth, the House of David. Now, why the hell would a person be recorded in a census because a distant ancestor (like a thousand years before his time) came from there?

[semajgnik]

@manmythlegend12 Because that distant ancestor is a very significant person. The Jews had to keep track of David's bloodline to verify the anticipated coming of the messiah.

[manmythlegend12]

@semajgnik then why the hell are Matthew and Luke's genealogies completely different from one another (other than having the major names like David and Abraham)? If the bloodline was so well-kept, then why are their accounts so different? Seems to me like the writers just filled in names leading up to David in order to prove the connection and to keep track of a bloodline over 1000 years is almost impossible. Tens of thousands of people would've probably been descendants of David in Jesus's time

[semajgnik]

@manmythlegend12 because matthew wrote a book about jesus emphasizing one thing, and luke emphasizing another. you obviously don't even know what you're talking about. the writers just fillied names? matthew followed jesus's geneology through david's son solomon, luke followed it from david's other son nathan. Jesus was both a descendant of solomon and nathan. the 2 lines merged at least once, (mary and joseph)

[manmythlegend12]

Complete and utter garbage...People today have extreme difficulties tracing ancestries to this extent (even with all the helpful governmental and church records available that weren't available to the "inspired" writers of the gospels)...In my opinion, the genealogies, along with most stories of the Bible, are mostly false. They were written as propaganda by early Christian leaders to gain more members.

[salmagnum]

thank you for this video! only question I still have is concerning Matthew 1:17. If Matthew skipped persons in his geneology, why is he so specific in stating that there were 14 generations from Abraham to David, 14 from David to the Babylonian captivity and then 14 more to Christ? Could it be possible that he DID include them all (even as he is identical with Luke from Abraham to David), and that Mary's side just reproduced faster?

[salmagnum]

@salmagnum Also, what do you make of the apparent discrepency between Luke 3 and Genesis 11 in adding an "additional" ancestor, one "Cainan" between Arphaxad and Salah, the grandson and great-grandson of Noah? Sincerely in Christ, Sal

[yskdl1998]

Great video. Thanks! Do you have any others like it?

[TorahZeal]

Judah was the southern kingdom = two tribes

Israel was the northern kingdom = 10 tribes

you have it reversed in the "two requirements" and other places as well.

[merdeKHA84]

God man?.. is Jesus a God or a man?.. you have to come to a decision brother. if you are honestly seeking for e Truth, i pray that God will show you the Truth...

[1daewoo888]

Deut. 4:1219 Deut. 4:35-40 Deut. 5:21 Deut. 11:27-28 Deut. 12:2-4 Did they know jesus? No! Was God revealed with image/form? No! Exodus 3:14-15 I AM has sent me: ( Hayah )= I exist, without form forever!

jesus had human form; Therefore could not be God in the flesh.

End of arument.

[lidiasasha]

May God bless you, bro! I was confused, too, but not anymore! Now I understand, glory to God!

[christiannandres]

wow what a beautiful video thanx for the information .

[humanistheart]

Also, mary was not a virgin, not that it matters.

[DavidTheCatholic]

@humanistheart Mary was a virgin

[humanistheart]

@DavidTheCatholic Prove it.

[DavidTheCatholic]

@humanistheart Lol shut up kid, she was a virgin end of story.

[humanistheart]

@DavidTheCatholic Then prove it or stop claiming it.

[DavidTheCatholic]

@humanistheart First off kid don't tell me what to do, I tell you what to do and kick your ass, capiche? And I don't need to prove it, it's already been proven, she was a virgin and had a child by miracle

[humanistheart]

@DavidTheCatholic If it had been proved you'd be able to list sources, but you clearly cannot.

[DavidTheCatholic]

@humanistheart It is not up to you to tell me what or what not I have done, and she was a virgin, it says so in the Bible, and the Bible is a very accurate source, it also has been said in various other texts and she wasn't married when she had Jesus and she was faithful to her husband, she was a virgin.

[humanistheart]

@DavidTheCatholic The bible says so. Well, the bible also says to kill homosexuals, adulterers, wayward children, instructs christian slaves to be obediant to their masters. It claims the hebrew people were enslaved in egypt dispite there being zero historical record of this. The bible is not accurate as history, or morally. And more accurately, some translations of certian texts in the bible say she was a virgin, but when translated correctly, it simply says young woman.

[DavidTheCatholic]

@humanistheart Lol the bible doesn't talk about slavery, it says if you owe someone money, then if he has you to work for him like a slave then do it and finish your time because it is your own fault you borrowed from him, and it says nothing about killing those people, don't make up shit and grow up a little.

[DavidTheCatholic]

@humanistheart Any message you send to me will be deleted without being replied to or commented to, I'm tired of uneducated shits like you, if I don't respond you know why, because I would have deleted the comment without reading it. You need to get out more instead of saying shit on Christian videos.

[humanistheart]

@DavidTheCatholic Lol, you have not been able to verify one fact and show a profound ignorance of the bible and morality. I have a minor in religious studies, you, well it's daubtful you made it past high school. But hey, if you need to bury your head in the sand every time someone more intellegent comes around for you to preserve you faith go for it.

[humanistheart]

Both genealogy's are from Jospeh, who was not jesus' biological father. This authors done a lot of good research, it seems odd he'd miss that fact. And in fact, by the time jesus is claimed to have lived, the jews had become matralineal (because of all the conquering's a rapings of the hebrew women). There would have been no problem at that time listing Mary's line without substituting Joseph's lineage.

[sarahdarnell]

@humanistheart I dont understand your comment. "There would have been no problem at that time listing Mary's line without substituting Joseph's lineage." Where can we find info about how they traced the linage and if it had to be from josephs line tht christ came and marys wouldnt suffice? thx

[humanistheart]

@sarahdarnell The messianic prophecies state that the messiah must be of the seed of david. That's genetics there, so adoption doesn't count. Joseph's lineage, if not the father, was completely irrelevant the messianic claim of jesus. As such, it would fall to his only human parent, mary. Some here claim that one of the lineages listed is of mary's, but it clearly says joseph, so they claim his name was, for some inexplicable reason substituted. This makes no sense however as that's not what...

[humanistheart]

@sarahdarnell the prophecies call for, and there was no need to confuse readers by saying it was joseph's lineage as after the numerous raping of jewish women from the various conquests (Assyrian Babylonian and roman) the only way to know for sure if a child was jewish was to trace the lineage matralinially. With that said I've sent you a link you may wish to look at and will send more upon request. I'd put it here but it doesn't seem to let me post links.

[lizazoon]

Who cares, For all I know, Jesus has no geneology from fathers side,  Pigeons usually don`t qualify.

[ForTheArticles]

the USA supreme court ruled during the 1980s that the jews are a distinct race just like how the Italians are a distinct race. Most people who call themselves jews are total atheists such as Woody Allen and Sam Harris. The illegal state of Israel was founded in 1948 by atheist jews from europe not by religious jews. The only real religion of the jews is mammon.

[humanistheart]

@ForTheArticles

Lol, aheist jews. Is that why almost all of Sireal shuts down on the sabboth?

[combatvetlawstudent]

According to Numbers 1:18 woman's linege cannot be counted. BUT there is exception when a man doesnt have sons and his daughter marries w/in the tribe as Mary did. there was blood curse of econiah but counting mary in the exception by her father having no sons..and the woman's seed is enmity to satan..the father is counted to god for it is god's spirit not man's seed that cna be counted

[OrionSyndicate910]

The royal bloodline was supposed to go from David, through Solomon.

Nathan's dedscendents were not eligible.

[chrispalasz]

That's a common thought, but it's not true. Where did you get that idea from, out of curiosity?

[OrionSyndicate910]

2 Samuel 7:12-16

[chrispalasz]

But that passage doesn't support your position. It supports mine. You claimed that Nathan's descendants were not eligible for the throne, but there is nothing to support this claim. That passage says nothing about Solomon or Nathan; it's only about King David.

[Matthew1944]

@OrionSyndicate910 You're right, Orion.

The man destined to be the Messiah will be a direct descendant of King David (Isaiah 11:1) through the family of Solomon, David's son (1 Chronicles 22:9-l0). He will cause all the world to serve God together (Isaiah 11:2), be wiser than Solomon (Mishnah Torah Repentance 9:2), greater than the patriarchs and prophets (Aggadah Genesis 67),

[DavidTheCatholic]

@chrispalasz So chris me and you, we are gentiles then? non Jews? Is that what it means?

[HaSefardi17]

@chrispalasz G-d made a covenant that through David's "seed" and through that seed shall come the messiah. The hebrew word for "seed" is "zera" used in that text. Meaning of hebrew is physical seed from within the loins. Jesus obviously would not qualify because of the cursed lineage and because Joesph was NOT his biological father. Mary's genealogy would also disqualify Jesus because according to the Bible Jewish tribal lineage is only passed through the father and not the mother.

[HaSefardi17]

@HaSefardi17 If one were apply Mary's genealogy to Joseph's one would still have the problem of Joseph not being his biological father. Concerning "virgin" birth which the hebrew word used there is "alma" meaning young woman. This sign by the way when read in context is referring to a won battle by Israel's king Hezekiah. Mary was betrothed to Joseph, if she was to be impregnated by the G-d, G-d forbid, G-d would be committing adultery with Mary and therefore G-d would violate His own law.

[StarRonKid]

@HaSefardi17 umm no virgin means no sex, not no pregnancy, people can still be virgins and get pregnant through medical processes.

[semajgnik]

@OrionSyndicate910 Zerubbabel was from the bloodline of Nathan who also legally inherited the royal lineage of Solomon. Look it up. It's pretty remarkable how it happened.

Zerubbabel then had Rhesa (mary's ancestor) and Abuid (Joseph's ancestor)

[paulgem123]

@OrionSyndicate910 you may be right.

[GuppyPal]

How do you account for the massive age difference there'd be between Joe and Mary given that Mary has 13 more generations between her and David than Joseph? That's almost certainly more than a 200 year difference, and could be more than a 350 year difference. Isn't that significant?

[Dabeskepsekret]

@GuppyPal Why this hasnt gotten more attention is beyond me.

[Ibelong2Allah]

Jesus is the Messiah Son of Mary as he is called in the Quran and not Son of David. Jesus's family where Levites I believe He is the Messiah but not who you think he is. In the Gospel of St. Barnabas he denies being who the people we calling 'messiah'. He is made from the seed of David according to the flesh as stated in the Bible:

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;-Rom 1:3

He is a Levite according to the flesh

[Ibelong2Allah]

Isaiah 7 does not say anything about the Son of David

[afrolatino380]

Jesus was a Jew, therefore he was a descendant of Judah, As was David and Solomon. How do u figure Jesus was a Levite, As Jesus said, The first time he came as the lamb but when he returns again he will be the lion, hence the flag of Judah ,the Lion with his sceptor.

[TheBestEVER4LIFE]

yo thank youuuuuuuuuuuu so much man i been confused about this subject 4 two weeks now is no coincidence i found this video..it makes perfect sence..thank you!!

[chrispalasz]

Your welcome. The video isn't perfect, but I'm happy it helps to clear some confusion :)

[TheBestEVER4LIFE]

it made perfect sense to me.thanks

[mwf054]

@chrispalasz So this is what gets me, and I've never heard an explanation... If Jesus bloodline from King David is so important, why bother with the geneology of Joseph? The bible tells us that Jesus is not related to Joseph by blood. Something about a virgin birth? I'd love to hear the explanation.

[seanboy80]

Excellent video. I agree with all your points. Did you use Power Point for your presentation?

[chrispalasz]

No. I used video rendering software for some of the text, and just simple images for others...

[iamwilling2008]

Dear Seed of Bug ~ I agree. This is nonsense. Why would Yahweh cast his Word away in any respect? Yahweh is omniscient. He said himself that He is the Alpha and Omega. There could not possibly be any sense whatsoever in Yah making a fatal mistake or his Prophets. With Yah, everything is based upon bloodline so listening to this video makes me sick in my heart that any person wholly believing in Yah could ever believe this lie.

[chrispalasz]

Of course Jehova didn't make a mistake. Everything regarding the bloodline was purposefully done to represent the truth, reflect God's character, and point us to the truth in Jesus.

[seedofbug1088]

It is impossible for Jesus Christ to have sat on the Throne of David if He is descended of the Prophet Nathan--because that obviously makes Him NOT a direct descendant of King David! All of this proves why He is NOT the Reigning Messiah! Not how He IS the Messiah that sits on David's Throne--that is IMPOSSIBLE! Also, His father was a man who was JOSEPH. Through either bloodline He CANNOT be heir to the Throne of David!

[Matthew1944]

"It is impossible for Jesus Christ to have sat on the Throne of David "

Read the previous posts, seed. Mary was of the line of David through Nathan, but because she was the mother, she could not give him any lineage, only Jewishness. Joseph could not do it because he was a stepfather and only a natural father can give lineage. Jesus had no claim to the throne of David.

[Matthew1944]

As well, seed, the messiah was to be fully human, of the line of David through SOLOMON not Nathan (His brother).

[Dabeskepsekret]

@Matthew1944 Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy. These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah. If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.

[Matthew1944]

@Dabeskepsekret It doesn't matter, Dabe. Jesus had no earthy father to give him lineage and an adopted father could not do it. The mother could only give Jewishness - NOT lineage. Jesus had no lineate.

[Dabeskepsekret]

@Matthew1944 Yea bro, im with you with no arguments there. I'm just stating this because recently there have been attempts by some people try to say that his lineage somehow came through Mary, when the truth is both Joseph and Mary fell under the curse, so it wouldnt have mattered either way.

[Matthew1944]

@Dabeskepsekret "both Joseph and Mary fell under the curse"

What curse?

[seedofbug1088]

This information is amazingly informative for all believers, especially for us Baha'is who teach this matter as central to understanding the message & mission of Jesus Christ.

Allahu' Abha!

[Matthew1944]

"This information is amazingly informative for all believers, especially for us Baha'is who teach this matter as central to understanding the message & mission of Jesus Christ. "

To understand the teachings of Jesus, you must sort them out from the teachings of Paul which the Christians follow.

[wizardspocket]

so glen miller was found alive after all! does he still play the trumbone!

[LoraSinger]

Chris - "There are several things wrong with saying that everyone calls God by a different name. The most obvious reason is the inconsistencies. "

The inconsistencies are there because the religions of every civilization are man made and therefore, collectively, they view God in different ways like the blind men and the elephant. One said it was "very like a rope" (tail), "very like a wall" (side), "very like a pillar" (leg) - They all had one small picture of the whole.

[jamierourketen]

i have never understood why it is in the bible,it has never made sense,was mary's line not the one that should have been written? because if it was from his "fathers" name there would only be 1 name!!!!!

[LoraSinger]

Jamie - "was mary's line not the one that should have been written?"

Mary's line doesn't count, Jamie, because a Jewish mother can only pass on her Jewishness but not her lineage. The natural father does that. The child of a Jewish mother is a Jew. The child of only a Jewish father is counted as a Gentile.

[jamierourketen]

okay,but god was the father of jesus,is god a jew?

[LoraSinger]

Jamie - "okay,but god was the father of jesus,is god a jew? "

I doubt very much that God is a Jew or that he cares about religion at all. I expect its the same God for everyone, called by many names, depending on the language and the religion. People invent religions in order to contact their idea of God and each of them is possessive, thinking that the God of others is not the true God. They act like children.

[jamierourketen]

just the answer i was wanting to hear!

[chrispalasz]

lol! Just the answer you wanted to hear? Why?

There are several things wrong with saying that everyone calls God by a different name. The most obvious reason is the inconsistencies. People's beliefs conflict, so clearly not all can be correct. Some can be more correct than others, but still some can be very, very wrong.

So sure, of course I believe that some religions hint at the truth, but where they conflict with the God of Christianity, they are not.

[LoraSinger]

Chris - "So sure, of course I believe that some religions hint at the truth, but where they conflict with the God of Christianity, they are not. "

The God of christianity is the name YOU give him and Christianity is only one of many religions, no better and no worse. It has a bloody history dating back to when Constantine first established it to now with Bush's crusade and in comparison to some of the other religions, it is sorely lacking, Chris. Christianity does not work as advertised.

[ziggy471961]

Amen lora. You hit the nail on the head! Any theocratic government has been oppresive.Monotheistic religions are dangerous.

[LoraSinger]

"Any theocratic government has been oppresive."

Absolutely. Notice how a religion like buddhism which stresses being the best one can be and not focusing exclusively on afterlife, seems to be the most peaceful.

[familyoriginstree]

All of it's a fraud anyway.

[CombustableHuxtable]

Jesus descended from the wrong side of David cursed bloodline hahaha check out ForBibletruth a man whose bible lead him to God and away from the idol Jesus

[LoraSinger]

Cumbustable - "Jesus descended from the wrong side of David cursed bloodline "

Joseph's blood line was cursed, however, Jesus was not his son, being the son of God and all.

[LoraSinger]

Neither of the geneologies is relevant. Either Jesus is the son of Joseph or he is not. If he is the son of god, then he has no claim to the house of David. An adoptive father, by Jewish law, cannot pass his lineage to an adopted son. If he is the son of Joseph, he still has no claim to the house of David because Joseph's line was disinherited. Being Mary's son only means that he was Jewish. He cannot receive lineage from the mother. Jesus had no claim to the house of David.

[professorweegie]

i agree,the whole line is taken from jacob to joseph who was not his father! so what is the point of showing the line?

[LoraSinger]

professor - "i agree,the whole line is taken from jacob to joseph who was not his father! so what is the point of showing the line? "

It was an attempt by christian writers to establish a line from Jesus back to David so that "prophecy" could be fulfilled since the messiah was to be of the house of David. The writer didn't take into account the Jewish laws under which even Jesus, by his own admission, functioned - This would raise the question of just who the writer was.

[wizardspocket]

hey,you just answered my question!

[LoraSinger]

wizaard - "hey,you just answered my question! "

Jesus was not his son, being the son of God and all.

I forgot to add "and for that reason, he had no claim to the house of David".

[wizardspocket]

thanks,its nice to go on a page without someone ranting away!

[LoraSinger]

wizard - "thanks,its nice to go on a page without someone ranting away! "

Ah well, it seems that it starts with a little bark and the other barks a bit louder, then a bigger yet bark and the other barks even louder and the ranting begins. Religion can sure get people going.

[Dabeskepsekret]

@LoraSinger According to Luke, Mary's line was also cursed though, so it wouldnt matter either way.

[Matthew1944]

@Dabeskepsekret _, Mary's line was also cursed though, "

It doesn't matter . The mother cannot give lineage.

[screenname10101]

I'd like to hear your answers to azsuperman01

[azsuperman01]

One problem... If the genealogy in Luke belongs to Mary, and the genealogy in Matthew belongs to Joseph, then Joseph at LEAST 170 years old when Mary was born! (And that AFTER adding in the 4 generations Matthew skipped)

[chrispalasz]

How do you figure? Explain your calculations, and I'll try to spot it if you went wrong somewhere. I don't really understand how you arrived at your conclusion.

[bulldoghockey79]

I responded to him as a response to his video on the same subject (see his video and responses). I pointed out how it is possible (humanly and mathematically). I'm guessing he now understands.

[damntheman19]

Encyclopedia Judaica recognizes Exilarchs (exiled Monarchs of David) until 817AD when Iskoi ben Moses converted to Islam and was disavowed. They've always maintained the Throne line in exile, & held high offices, and persist today. "I will not break my covenant with David; his heirs shall endure forever". There are two Messiah's (Zech 4:14) not one coming twice; one would suffer and die for ransom (Isaiah 53), & another a King on the Throne who'd establish the "House of the Lord". uhj dot net

[TheConquerMentality]

Damntheman19-

I've read that according to Jewish theology, there is the belief that the two Messiahs will be of two different tribal lineages. One will be from Judah & the other will be from Ephriam. Have you heard of this?

[damntheman19]

Jesus never claimed to be on the throne. "My kingdom is not of this world". Son of God is his spiritual tile (Rmns 1:4), but is from David "according to the flesh". Yes Jehconiah was under a curse, that was later lifted in chpt 50:20. Actually, by 33:17 Jeremiah says "David shall never want for a man to sit upon his throne", so the curse was over then, and reaffirmed in 50:20. Liunan was on the throne in Babylon when Jesus was in Palestine. What'd he steal the throne from the rightful heir?

[followwaytruthlife]

Jesus is Lord of lords, and King of Kings...not in the future but now! He is coming soon hallelujah!

[RobAlone]

Wasn't the southern kingdom called Judah and the northern kingdom called Israel?

[chrispalasz]

that might be right... Jerusalem is south compared to most of Israel... :P

[RobAlone]

Who are St.Anne and St.Joachim?

[chrispalasz]

Hahaha - what? I don't understand.

[RobAlone]

Mary's parents?

[jamierourketen]

made up catholic nonsense,catholics like to have many mini"gods" to pray to instead of going directly to god! did you know more catholics pray to mary than god himself!

[RobAlone]

It predates catholicism.

[honey2heaven]

Interesting video - thanx

[adamjacob9]

1. The curse of Coniah was lifted in the Jer. 50:20 "In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found; for I will pardon them whom I reserve."

2. Mary is the cousin of Elizabeth, of the daughter of Aaron, the tribe of Levi.

3. Jesus is "made of the seed (greek Sperma = male sperm) of David according to the flesh." Romans 1:3

[jamierourketen]

how can jesus be made of the seed of david,was david a son of god?

[LoraSinger]

jamie - Jesus had no claim to the house of David because Joseph wasn't his natural father. Jewish law states that a father can pass his lineage down to ONLY a natural son.

[trueseeker19]

Jesus said "my kingship is not of this world" because he knew he didn't sit on the throne. He was given the authority of the throne, as an ambassador and herald for the 2nd coming in the personage of the Everlasting Father, which is another Christ who does sit upon the throne. Jesus never claims to be on the throne of David.

[jasefm1970]

I really don't care if Jesus is related to David; if over 40 generations between the two is correct, then the chances are pretty good anyway. By the same logic I'm quite happy to postulate that I'm related to someone pretty famous who was knocking around when William the Conqueror invaded England in 1066, possibly even William himself.

[jasefm1970]

None of this gets us any nearer the real issues surrounding the myth of Jesus and his meteoric elevation from the son of a Jewish Aramaic craftsman to the son of a God and a virgin. Genealogy is easy to create when contemporary documentation is nigh on nil and the genealogist has an agenda. Look at the Book of Mormon for example -- plenty of Genealogy there, and all complete tosh.

[chrispalasz]

I understand - and I agree that this video does not get to the real issue. I'm glad you brought this up. This video was in part just a demonstration that all confusion and supposed conflict a person can find with the Bible also has reasoning, answers, and explanations. This stuff is all theology - if you're interested in "the real issue", let me address that. What is the real issue, for you? take care

[DarwinsHamster]

You are pleasant to listen to, and you made a very strong presentation. I also just listened to the Gisburne/GlennReb video, and can't imagine anyone would would not value your friendship.

[AdrenalineEnthusiast]

wow! great video man and very well done. keep it up

[Brainmold]

There are 28 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same.

[chrispalasz]

Yes? How many names did you expect? If you traced 28/43 generations back on your own family tree, how many names between your mother and father would you expect to be the same?

[Brainmold]

Biblically there is usually a purpose for genealogies.

[Brainmold]

This would mean that the entire geneology from adam to Jeusus was traced to show that Joseph can't be the father. For an atheist this looks like a patched error.

[chrispalasz]

Well, lots of Jews kept record of their genealogies. Joseph's genealogy might've been traced for other reasons and just used by Matthew. Also, just to clarify - Matthew does not list the genealogy starting from Adam - he starts with Abraham, quite purposefully. Peace

[Brainmold]

I'm so dumb. I did it again. The virgin birth was prophesied. No need to delete the comment.

[Brainmold]

Do the prophesy's of Jesus's coming mention a virgin birth?

[reelverse]

I think the video is accurate and reliable. I've heard this arguement and it has it's merits. However, who is the intended audience for the video? Is it for new believers, those wanting to grow or for seminary students. Many of the words and phrases would go over the head of most who have never studied the Bible seriously.

There are some good uses of visual aids but over all there seems to be a lot of still text. Video is designed for moving images.

Just an opinion.

[chrispalasz]

Doh! You didn't comment on the music part. hahaha, thanks for the input. I'm not sure what words you're talking about that would go over a person's head? And I can't think of any moving images to include... otherwise I would love to :(. It was supposed to function more as a presentation - and it's for anyone, skeptic or Christian, who has had doubts or questions about Matthew and Luke's choice to include their respective genealogies.

[reelverse]

I would put music in the background but very slight. Maybe classical.

[Brainmold]

Adultry and prostition and incest oh my.

[raindrops2000]

tnx chrispalasz! i always thought that Jesus' royal bloodline came from Joseph! now i understood it completely. :-) tnx!

[qwertyfshag]

interesting but how do you explain the problems with the gospels such as i have indicated in my movie 'the truth'

[chrispalasz]

Well... consider that the Bible was written a LONG time ago. A lot of things might have been understood back then that aren't understood now. Then again... people might have misunderstood what was written then... just as they do now.

[cjunk351]

Isaiah 7:14 says " ..behold this YOUNG WOMAN shall conceive ..." The greeks mistranslated this verse around 300bc, and 'Mathew' quotes the mistranslation. Also read it in context and you will see that Isaiah marrys the young woman. And she of course has a son.

[chrispalasz]

There is no proof for this claim because it is just not true. It's a popular rumor going around the skeptic's circle. What we do have is the book of Isaiah among the Dead Sea Scrolls, dated and confirmed to be from the second century B.C. that confirms Matthew and this passage of scripture are accurate in saying a VIRGIN shall conceive. Did you get this from a Bible-bashing website?

[cjunk351]

Very clever video I must say. One problem. No one in the bible nor christian history felt compelled to ever say this. Showing that whatever they believed had nothing to do with this and modern 'revelation' is just reading into the scriptures post scriptural teachings.