Surf the Ring endless dynamic perfect barreling waves on demand.

[AllorNothingRelay]

Fark.. What a kook.

[s1rrah]

@01:22: "Ripping the face of them up SOOOO much!" ... LMFAO!!

[austenmk]

At 0:01 I saw the combination of shitty Hawaiian shirt and fake beach background. I couldn't make it past 0:02. I bet he's wearing thigh high cutoffs.What a goober.

[OSTUTZO]

the energy it would take to produce a head high wave would make the entrance fee per surfer about $500 per day... something like this will eventually exist but it's more of an energy issue not an engineering problem...

[bdog117761]

Theres alot of physical helth issues with that death trap

[thabodyboard]

Just another geek trying to be COOL...

Lock urself in the lab, and don't get out, plz.

[iskatesowat1]

people do this sport to get close to nature and to get away from technology ass

[makaic17]

fuck this kook. wat has surfing come to WTF

[ahausheer]

This will never work because this guy obviously doesn't get the sport.

[ricardoroelvink]

make one bigger

[delanofamily]

thats not a real back round

[MrPuRpLeHaZ3]

cool 3 inchers

[bbwbb2]

Not bad if it worked full scale, on those flat days, or your land locked and in the military which I was and could't surf but every summer for about a week It might work

[awkward1818]

holy shit look at this guy

[vin0002]

kelly slater wave pool

[LusciousStarship]

I can't even imagine how much chlorine you'd have to add to this thing to maintain it? Also I can't imagine how many lawyers you'd need for when you run 10ft barrels and start wiping the outside edge of the pool with surfers? Or maybe there would be a nice cushion like padding on the outside to wipeout on? lol!

[Raoul0Duke78]

This guys voice provides a cure for insomnia, but thats about the only realistic groundbreaking solution on offer here. I seriously fell sorry for people who know him.

[bhempy9]

How can you predict something when you haven't even made a real scale of this bullshit

[vallenciano02124]

so stupid .... and the guy that make the coments man the most stupid idea ever haha

[rebel9568]

dont you just have to love the fake background. piss off dude. surfing is a sport of its own just like skateboarding, wakeboarding. all these sports where made to have fun and be free so fuck off

[zflach1]

This is the stupidest thing i have ever seen

[dravenousone]

Does this look like a disaster waiting to happen to anyone else?

Who said "over the edge"?

The beginning of this vid with the bad 1970's Hawaii mural kills any merit.

[fuentesp]

quien carajo dijo que el surf es solo montarse una ola y quedarse ahi?

el surf es elejir una ola, es estar en contacto con la naturaleza, es ganarse la loteria porque el se formo el barril y tu estuviste ahi para vivirlo, un nerd como estos tipo s nunca van a igualar eso.

[Jimmyzakour1105]

that sucks...it needs to go left

[dilweed111]

before you know it, you will see squirrels all over the world shredding these waves

[Killahwun808]

Surfing doesn't need any of this attention!!!

[kylebalcerski]

the fact that he started the video wearing a hawaiian flower shirt with a fake palm tree backdrop made me instantly disregard anything he may have had to say

[andreisidro]

The guy speaking is sooo anoying!!! I hate the way he talks about this thing. Does anyone believe this shit will change surf? This guy doesn't understand surf at all! Does he even know what surf is about? Surfing, a mainstream sport. Surfing, a racing sport??? LOOOOOL! Seriously! This guy is an idiot!

[MadGameSeaker]

Looks like shit.. dont quit your day job

[nekogang5551]

oh yes so vry surfable..-.-

[alkhemst]

Wrong way around - more energy efficient to have the wave breaking on the outside of the ring, you'd also need a far smaller diameter

[TeHengaGreen]

Who's the cheese bag commentating!? Its one thing making a one inch wave, Id say once they scale it up they will come into all sorts of problems with water movement, backwash etc etc...

[Laxr413]

clutch idea

[player13091980]

TRON SURFING

[rootberry]

How's this coming along? Seriously, this video was created two years ago. Have you made advances in the past two years?

[MondoBone]

This is a joke right? Obviously this guy has never surfed before...

[socratiz]

@MondoBone

Surfstream, Wave garden

[jmminu]

how are they going to clean up the wave face considering each successive wave will create chops and currents... Maybe blow offshore wind from the shoreline? Or reverse the wave directions once in a while so to create lefts and rights? This design is great yet so simple I'm sure many kids can claim to have thought about it before this guy. Too bad Kelly acquired the patent and made it his toy and property. If Kelly is to play the Steve Job of surfing where is the Linus Torvald?

[sbtfree9]

sorry fail... it fails to understand the basic nature of cyclic wave backsurge in producing the power of a natural wave, if you just spent less time talking it up and actually getting it done atleast, your entire spiel is based on something you haven't remotely done yet... do you understand this is why you are called SEPPOS.

[IRsuperman]

where are you looking to do this? I see that webber as well as kelly slater are going after similar designs... ones they patented themselves... you helping?

[surfgizmo12321]

I hope this happens. Surf spots have reached a saturation point with crowds and there needs to be an alternative way to feel the sensation of riding a wave. To the "purists" who claim a wave machine has no soul, how soulful of an experience is it when there are hundreds of people crammed in an area of beach on all manner of craft competing for two foot dribblers which is what the typical Southern California surf scene has become. Good on you Kevin! I whole heartedly support your efforts!

[gmaccy313]

So heavy if you're goofy ahahhah suckers

[Guitargod616]

Tbh, I'd rather surf shit but real waves in the ocean than fake and soulless waves made by a machine. 

[TWISTEDRIFTER]

@Guitargod616 id rather ride perfect 2 minute barrels made by a machine in my backyard than 1 foot onshore slop. REAL SURFERS ONLY RIDE SINGLE FINS.

I eat seaweed and sand for breakfast anyone who thinks different or eats different should be killed.

[PianoXGuy]

this is great.... except it's going to cost a bunch of money to get in... why do that when you can go to the beach for free. (I realize some beaches aren't free)

[dkh1214]

Lame

[Tapajara]

I cringe at the thought of the environmental catastrophies created when such a prototype is scaled up into a monster for such folly as what is described in this video.

[xxcurnuxx]

@mynameiszac100 no only a small model wave of a machine that creates endless perfect wave

[mynameiszac100]

@xxcurnuxx oh haha just read the info box... i thought they wer joking:S haha

[nootaramus]

naw- lots of problems with this one- what you would have is a people falling in front of others- it would be a cluster fuck in about 3 minutes.

and this guy has big talk but I know it won't ever be built.

[bcx1982]

As quoted by dereck zoolander from the movie zoolander...Without further adue i give you the kevin roberts surf pool for people who cant surf!!........What is this?(chucks it on the ground)A WAVE POL FOR ANTS!!!!How can we expect people to learn how to surf if they cant fit in the wave pool!kevin its just a...i dont wanna hear your excuses the wave pool has to be at least...3 times as big..lol

[kbbjedi]

Great idea but dude get a better pitchman, too bad Billy Mays diied he would sell the hell out of this thing, if i lived on the mainland i would be all over this thing but i live on the North Shore of Oahu so yeah i already got it made. Aloha

[themadscientest]

so there is nothing like the ocean it is a waste of energy therefore distroying the place that makes the real waves this replicates

[Pigroota]

This guy's an idealist. The best surfer is the one who gets the best wave. It's a dynamic sport. Not one that relies on repetition. He compares it to Nascar! Pfft what a dick. Clearly he's never picked up a board in his life. Having a 'racing' environment would be the worst possible thing for surfing and no one would watch. The idea is good but it's more for recreational purposes. Stop trying to peddle your bullcrap and focus on the invention Douchebag!

[TWISTEDRIFTER]

@Pigroota give the guy a break its a genius idea. so what if he knows fuck all about surfing or its culture beliefs (often wanky narrow minded and too conservative- real surfers only ride single fins!!!). Im not sure who originally came up with this idea, many have a claim for it but this vid seems the oldest so it might be this guy.

[socratiz]

@Pigroota

You got some hardcore negative energy dude.

[Pigroota]

@socratiz A critique of something need not be positive. In fact, it's better to point out flaws in order to construct a robust product whether it be a theory, enterprise, good/service, ideal etc. It's easy to have scorn over a medium where you never meet a person. I am secure in my persona and if u were to meet me you would definitely change your opinion. My critique is fair. You have merely chosen to focus on my delivery instead of my content. That points more to your negativity than mine

[socratiz]

@Pigroota

hehehe.. ok. I disagree completely on your critique. I posted my thoughts regarding why when I responded to Amitysea...

And douchebag... = negativity

But its all good dude. Hey, have you seen "wave-garden"? very cool.

Thats the thing. This does nothing to the natural surf scene locations.

It simply ADDS more surf locations. the best part is, nobody will ever tell you where you have to surf.

[Pigroota]

@socratiz But that's nothing to do with your original comment to me. You never pointed out flaws in my argument. Plus, you still haven't in any other comment you posted. All you have done is pointed to the benefits of such a set up. Why not just explicitly tell me why you think my comment is wrong? (Remembering that I don't care for brandings of 'negativity'. Douchebag is a word to emphasise delivery. Show me where my content is wrong)

[amitysea]

I suggest hiring a better PR liaison if you intend to market this for real surfers. Surfing = a NASCAR environment?...Seriously, analogies like that will most likely result in scorn and ridicule among certain surfing communities.

[socratiz]

@amitysea

I disagree. Look at pipeline. Its a friggin Colosseum. And people love it. Its ok for surfing to have a million different styles bro. Infact, none of it will affect the experience that you want to have where ever your having it.

[amitysea]

@socratiz That's my point, Pipe is a natural venue, so is Steamers Lane in Santa Cruz and Ghost Trees in Pebble. This is like theme park surfing for the masses. I can see it know; admission prices, cheesy music, celebrity appearances, lameass merch, etc. Just to make money off of a sport that was once considered extreme and was anti-commercialization.

[socratiz]

@amitysea

I know how you feel. It seems your trying to separate commercialized surfing from Pipe... I dont see that happening. There will always be way too many people in the line up for my liking. Celebrity appearances... who cares, merchandise? who cares? Cheesy music.. Why would they listen to cheesy music. Everybody plays jack johnson now.. hehe.... Admission prices... your kidding right? How much does a set up like that cost? Ofcourse there is admission prices.

[socratiz]

@amitysea

Look at it this way. When its built, not only will surfers ability skyrocket, because of board time, but also, all those people that u don't connect with, who would love this type of setup, will b out of ur line up. The only problem I C is the need 4 this type of place to only have a weak ass wave going so as 2 accommodate for the majority of the peoples demand. (beginner surfers). But those are challenges, not reasons to b against it. Imagine a timeframe for only 10ft barrels.

[OzPricey]

If you've ever been to the ASP you'll know the level is so high these days. F1 is probably a better analogy; the pressure is intense and the level of fitness and wave knowledge is super high.

Artificial waves will never replace the ocean or the stoke of a roadtrip somewhere special, but this machine would be sick for practicing a particular moves! I hope someone makes it but judging by the age of the video it never made it off the ground.

[amitysea]

I suggest hiring a better PR liaison if you intend to market this for real surfers. Surfing = a NASCAR environment?...Seriously, analogies like that will most likely result in scorn and ridicule among certain surfing communities.

[highboostingm3]

@amitysea I personally like how awful he is as a PR person for this thing because I'll bet it helped the project go south so Quiksilver and Kelly could pick it up and take it exactly where it needs to go! This thing is so win! You hippies who think it has no soul can go do the Huntington chop hop with 200 of your closest friends while I am stuffed deep in this pit!

They should have a crapload of windmills around it so that all the energy is free and clean!

[upsidedahead]

- errr who's the best surfer??? How does this compare to paddling in at Shipsterns?

[lancecarleton]

youd always have customers

[surfmaster999]

well build this thing already isn't kelly on with this or is he bailing and where do investors invest I mean get going dude great lake surfers need this

[shad5559]

looks pretty wonky ......... like his brain......total kook

[mkamir]

I'm goofy...

[willpoops]

@mkamir

Ohhh hell,

You just made my day.

[Nateshow]

I think I was just hypnotized.

[hyprian]

That's a lot of real estate needed and a lot of energy needed to run this -

[kevin9347]

10 acres for a ring capable of producing overhead barrels. The energy needed is substantial but it will be far more efficient than any other system because of the pendulum wave generators and the fact that all wave crests and troughs support waves in a closed loop series. Also backwash energy is recycled to help too.

[shepszzz]

i read an article a few days ago that quicksilver and slater are financing this thing, or something very similar. so laugh all u want and we all think it seems a bit stupid, but if its good enough for quicksilver and slater, we dont know what were talking about paying this thing out. imagine seeing slater vs fanning on an endless looping wave with thoundsands of people in the grandstands watching. epic

[twothlesswonder]

Speed surfing is about all you'll be able to accomplish with this design.

I can foresee a major problem; the current going around the circuit will steadily build. You could use small jets but to add enough force to fully counteract the current but you stand a huge chance of having too many boils forming for the faces to remain clean. You could stop and reverse the direction of the "hull" but therein lies LOTS of downtime with no surfing.

It's great idea but can it scale up without a current?

[kevin9347]

Surf the Ring does not generate any current around the ring because all mechanical motion of the wave generators are perpendicular to the ring. This is the "trick" to sustaining endless waves in a ring. No downtime just perfect endless living waves to surf on. The only time we need to stop the waves is to change from rights to lefts.

[twothlesswonder]

I find it hard to believe that no current is generated. I realize the walls bow straight in but the width of the waves (the lines) are not traveling perpendicular to the walls. You'd surf into a wall. The forward momentum of the waves going around the circuit WILL create a current after X amount of time. Especially where the surface tension is broken. It HAS to, there is always leftover energy from a breaking wave. That's why points have such hard currents compared to beach breaks.

[kevin9347]

As you point out the vector of the breaking waves is not perpendicular to the ring and therefore some current is created. That current is managed and isolated from effecting the outside break. Your knowledge is impressive, however we have empirical data and sustained operations of the ring that clearly show it IS possible to maintain endless waves. We will be building a 1/12th scale prototype to prove several more enhancements. You need a job?

[twothlesswonder]

Well, my knowledge is only from years of surfing, sailing and generally being a waterman. I don't really possess any special knowledge other than fabrication/mechanical skills and basic hydrodynamics. But I would jump at the chance to work on something like this. Where are you staging the 1/12 model?

As for your empirical data, I am glad to hear it. Computer models are advancing rapidly these days. It's all I can do just to keep up with advancements in 3d modeling.

[kevin9347]

The 1/12th will be built in Daytona Beach Florida starting in a month or two. Send me email by going to surfthering website.

[twothlesswonder]

Nice!!

I'm in Jacksonville Beach, right around the corner. I'll send the email tonight.

Thanks

[nfitz92691]

imagine, the ability to have live suring contests. wow, there's one just at Huntington!

[808Sanchez]

Nice idea and good direction... race surfing? nascar style? are you freakin serious?

[omrius]

one of these opens in auckland, new zealand next week. its called "the wave box". Is it related to this patent?

[kevin9347]

The Wave box currently produces "standing waves". It is NOT associated with Surf the Ring. Old designs for the wave box were supposed to feature traveling "natural" waves. I heard they were attempting to produce a pool similar to the ring.

[GreenAmigos]

Point Break meets The Running Man... Throw in a few of the Machine gun mounted Jet Skis from Kevin Costners WaterWorld and you really do have yourself something you could sell to the current American Gladiators audience. No seriously though, this is a pretty damn cool idea Kevin. Hope it takes off.

[boney1313]

How big would the diameter be if this machine was to human scale,as far as i know the refraction of a real wave can be quite a distance to come even 90 degrees (take off to end)like some places around the world.Honky's in maldives would be a example of big refraction in shortest length of ride,prob around 100m to bend 60degrees.Also whirlpool effect might come into play too,how about sucking ducks around the sides to try counteract and slow it down so it remains a real wave speed.Good work mate

[kevin9347]

A full size ring requires a minimum 10 acres (600 feet diameter) to produce overhead barrels. Think of the size of a football stadium only round. Make it smaller and you reduce the maximum wave size it can produce.

[Nicarider182]

this is pretty cool. . . . . . . i mean i like good waves. . . . . But if you bread them in the pools then the cooks will just get themselves hurt or beat up out in the line up. . . . . So if this gets off the ground. . . . . and you learn in the pool, Stay your ass in the pool. lol. Local respect always

and yes i wish i could have one of these for myself. lol.

[Potz21]

race surfing thats sounds like a red necks idea. i wouldn't want my surfboard sounding like a nascar. but any its a good idea except people who learn in there would probably have problems in a real beach being that its a perfect wave and conditions so they won't know how to spot a riptide or get out of one if they get stuck in one. it looks good for something to pratice on but you should still go to a real beach.

[kevin9347]

Real good waves are extremely rare. Wind, tide, bottom contour and swell all need to be in harmony to produce a great ride. Great waves are so rare that even in the best spots in the world you need to wait for days and weeks for surf. For all you surfers that live near a great break, you are extremely fortunate. The rest of the world needs a ring to experience just how magical waves can be.

[evanvasco]

i think you right, bro!!!

a good wave is a good wave and does not matter if it came from the ocean or the pool. if anybody think it's a bad idea, don't use it...more space for us!!!

[ripadores]

The speaker seems to be trying and old fashioned hipnotic technique :)

Take your fake pool and go far from the real waves! Everybody will win.

[colinmdwyer]

this guy obviously surfs a lot...

[albarlousta]

There's no end to what this machine can do.... hmmm ... how about a perm?

[rocketklein]

let it also be for bodyboarders because their are more bodyboarders in the world than surfers great i will do it

[Kylewinch]

so sick love to have one in my backyard also there will be less people in the water

[Nobroo]

...amazing!

[kevin9347]

We are talking with serious people from all over the world who are trying to help build one of these wave machines. Money is tight around the globe so progress is slow but it will happen. Talk about it, get involved. There is plenty of opportunities to help make this real. Thanks for your support.

[easystar777]

any actual funding under way for this? Ron Jon has been claiming a new park 4 almost 10 years .I hope someday soon this will happen.good stuff

[JasonJJasonJ]

Greetings from Australia.

Truely revolutionary. Multiple waves at once, dynamic ability, looks reasonably safe when you wipe out. Takes up less room and water than a fully sized wave pool. The ocean dome in Japan closed because it was too much for running costs. I'm intrigued how you make the wave form. You just push water around or use pumps? Amazing.

There are many idiots here on youtube, you sir are a genius. Best of luck with this. If I ever come to the US - I'm there.

[kevin9347]

Thanks for your comments. You get it. When it's real everyone else will get it too ( I hope.)

[theyellowk123]

what if you surf left?

[kevin9347]

The ring produces lefts or rights equally well. It can even produce waves traveling in opposite directions simultaneously. When these waves meet they will create huge peaks as they pass.

[roknroler68]

ruins the feel of surfing. its technology not nature. and just shutup when the waves are going, its really annoying

[kevin9347]

I grew up in Daytona Beach, Fl. We have surf but it is always poor. We need hurricanes to produce big enough swells before there is any chance of good surf and even then the wind or tide usually screw up the waves. I invented Surf the Ring to allow surfers to surf when they need to surf. Surf the ring will never replace the magic of perfect natural surf and the bond that surfers have with the ocean. I think surfers are really cool people. I hope my invention will help the sport.

[pr4nk5tr]

Interesting concept, and I can imagine it works until the wave completed a few circles. But what I don`t get is: After a while all water is going to circulate faster and faster in the pool, like a wild river. How do you prevent this?

[kevin9347]

You are right, that is the core of the invention. How do you prevent circumferential motion of the water? Solution: all mechanically induced motion is perpendicular to ring. Plus you need a few other little tricks too. It will be endless and sustainable because we prevent that current from developing. Thanks for your question.

[pr4nk5tr]

Ok I see, so unlike Liquid Time you are not using hulls driving on rails along the pool, and vents on the bottom that provide a counter current. So the wave rather moves forward than peeling all the way to the outside wall?

Love the idea of these pools, just wondering about the safety aspect: Is it possible to stop the wave quickly when an accident happens?

[kevin9347]

Hulls create huge circumferential drag, vents for counter currents create eddies that quickly destroy the waves. There are several safety features in the ring. First the waves only break on a "breakpoint" where the water then gets much deeper to safely wipeout into, second the waves can almost instantly be dissolved into calm water. The ring is sustaining waves instead of creating and releasing waves. This means the waves disappear almost instantly when you push the kill button.

[theyellowk123]

how big will the waves be on the full scale

?

[kevin9347]

The waves will be chest to overhead barrels. The peeling speed and angle that the waves peel down the beach are infinitely variable.

[shredthegnar94]

this sucks

[carde028]

hey dude ignore all these people who are giving u a hard time abt this thing detracting from the soul of surfing, i personally think it would be great not only as a venu for events, but as a place for surfers (and bodyboarders such as myself) to refine their techniques. there's a place called the wave box opening in NZ, is this the same concept, will the waves work the same way?

[kevin9347]

Surf the Ring is about the creation of a new experience. Instead of a 5-10 second ride that gets weaker as you ride the ring makes waves that blow up all over you until you can't take it. The waves can increase size, speed, angle, and more, even pulsing to music. No matter how good you are at surfing it will kick your butt and turn your legs to jelly. It's not about a "perfect" wave, it's about a wave you can't began to beat. It will be the ride of your life...

[mischief1986]

I like the idea. Shame about the video quality. it does seem like youd just get worked if you came off. but hay how bad good practise. Still i like the search and the adventure of tryin to find a perfect wave, and don't think it would quite be the same if i could go to the mall and get it there. Good luck with it all the same id definatly have a go : )

[kevin9347]

Hey Morris, The distance from the breakpoint to the shore is over 25 feet. This part of the pool actually is deeper than where the waves break. It creates a safe "spill" for surfers to wipeout into. Also the vector of the surfer is not directly toward shore so the actual distance to the shore is functionally almost 40 feet. This model is a 1/36th scale and waves of this size are not well defined. We hope to build a larger prototype 3 times the size to improve the look of the waves.

[morrissmith4567]

The quality of the video isn't too great, but wouldn't every fall be punished by being pushed into that shallow centre by the whitewater?

[kevin9347]

Hey Jawdo, I don't think surfing is about direct competition like that either, however spectators lust for head to head conflict and our sport needs spectators to pay to watch. The millions of dollars in investment it will take to build the ring needs spectators to help cost justify it's existence. We'll be able to surf it any way we want it's just part of selling the concept to the big money guys that want to know how rich they will get. The ring makes surfing more intensely exciting. Thanks.

[JAWDO]

Very exiting- but this whole nascar, gladiator, ring of fire garbage has nothing to do with why real surfers surf- its the complete opposite. It wil be good for fitness and practice, long (artificial) barrells etc... but you can stick your WWF arena surf scene up ya date.. what, you gonna have sunny garcia come out in a mask and clock andy irons in the head with a chair or some shit.. thats the picture i got from your sales pitch dude sorry..