Even "We evolved under the guidance of a god" is acceptable to me. Theists are fallacious buttholes and all, but evolution denialists piss me off to no end.
Kind of scary that just 73% accept evolution as a purely natural phenomena. I was hoping it was more like 90%. Hm. The old "Lack of knowledge about something => a god did it" argument.
Neil Tyson summarizes it nicely in this talk: v=Ti3mtDC2fQo (about 40 minutes).
Hopefully the 73% figure will rise as the older population is replaced by a younger generation.
So 10% say they believe in a personal god i guess that will be Christianity and Islam. The two big religious blocks in Sweden. So that leaves 48% that have some kind of belief in "something" Another way of saying "i don' t know and i don't really care for the official religions of the world.
back in 1910 two swedish missionary were sent to Brazil their names Daniel Berg and Gunnar Vingren, great men of God they did a great work opening a pentecostal church Assembleia de Deus today with 12 million people as menber of this church 3 million more than Sweden.
Sweden is no. 18, closely followed by Poland in 22nd place. Correlation does not equal causation, my friend. Denmark has a comparable level of non-belief to Sweden's and that country is in 40th place after the US. There are multiple factors at play here, including the taboo in the respective countries regarding suicide leading to accurate or embellished reporting.
Base everything on one thought, don't do any research but just say something you think is right even though you actually know nothing about it :) A very typical religious person is what you are. Weak-minded and uneducated.
@sjrodovalho Belief in gods & eternal paradise leaves no purpose to living here. Might as well be done with this & go on to enjoy eternity singing praises to & kissing ass of a sadistic cruel dictator.
Don't forget that Swedish government has imported over 400,000 muslims, which obviously would skew the result slightly towards a more religious perspective.
These people are NOT Swedes and never will be.
The original Swedish people since many generations back are even less religious.
Most children of Muslim parents reach the same level of (non)-religiosity by the 2nd/3rd generation, though.
"These people are NOT Swedes and never will be." I'm an immigrant to Sweden. Are my children not Swedish according to you? In the 17the century, Stockholm had a large percentage of German inhabitants, does that mean anyone who descends from them is not Swedish? Are people who've been entering Sweden for centuries not Swedish?
Sects likes Plymouthbröderna and Livets Ord are against a secular Swedish state and isolate themselves from general culture to different extents. Are they also not Swedes according to you?
There are different degrees of religiosity among Muslims. Like Christians, most don't read their religious scriptures, many sects like the Ahmadiyya are extremely liberal, and 2nd and 3rd generation people with Muslim heritage have the same type of cultural religiosity as most Christian Swedes.
Also, I decided to retain my original nationality, but if I chose to, I could adopt the Swedish nationality. Would that mean you wouldn't consider me Swedish if I became a Swedish citizen?
@wimsweden As I said, if you become a part of the culture and assimilate into the Swedish society, then yes.
I do consider people to be Swedish if that happens.
But yet again if they are following Islam I don't think so, they don't assimilate the same way and their view from their religious stand point does not fit Swedish society formed for a 1000 years.
So it's more how you BECOME Swedish, not just because you LIVE there.
Islam and Sweden =/=. That day Sweden ceases to BE sweden.
@wimsweden For me a person need only think of themselves as Swedish and they are. That is what is the most important. Culture and religion change... Christianity is a religion forced upon the Swedish people. You believed or you died, still this religion is accepted in to our culture.
It is my thought that we do not need religion nor faith in a higher being, but more than that we need to retain our principles.
But what I wanted to say is. For me you are a swede (if you think you are)
@Swecan76 the american thing was based on the fact that on the surface your arguement seems racist. Sorry I didn't look further into it but it was 3am and I was tired as shit.
A proper question would be: Don't you believe that a country can be multicultural?
@randomperson2538 Swedens own politicians has been saying like Mona Sahlin:
" I hate everything genuine Swedish in culture, and I think yours (talking to immigrants mostly muslim) is cooler and better".
How utterly disgusting and traitorous is that?
This is what's going on in Europe now, Sweden takes in more immigrants than countries 10 times it's size, and out of those only 5-7% are actual refugees rest is middle eastern muslims.
Violence and rape is up, whole areas have riots etc, it's sick
@Swecan76 Why can't you be a swedish muslim? Sounds a bit crazy if you ask me. If I as a swede converts to islam I would no longer be swedish? If we accept the christiancrazies all the crazies should be allowed. They all belive in mystical mumbo jumbo I don't see the diffirence. And If we're talking about cultural heritage then christianity is also a cultural import, and that worked out fine according to many people. Not me though but I let them have their weird shit for themselves.
First, "if you step back in history", people will always originally be from somewhere else. So, I don't really get your argument. Second, the Sami are defined as an arctice people that inhabit a place that today is located in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. They are not "from Finland", and they are as much "from the East" as most other Swedes, because most of Swedes' ancestors would have belonged to Indo-European tribes making their way from the east to the west.
@wimsweden Samis originate from Finland, Russia. They are not tribal Swedes. For example you might want to look up the difference between Hallstat Nordid and East-Nordid.
You mean ancestors of today's Sami at a certain point in time occupied a region that is now part of Finland and Russia? What is a "tribal Swede"?
"Hallstat Nordid" and "East-Nordid"? Have we gone back to the 19th century now with its ethnic classification "theories"? Those types of classifications are no longer deemed scientific, I think.
@wimsweden And everything that happened in the war is bad, because the winners write the history? You're doing logical errors. I don't see what relevance your point has, I don't relate to Nazi Germany in my text if that's what you think, you fool.
You think wrong, read about halopgroups also, or is DNA a hoax maybe? ha
Those 3 of 10 who believe that science is not trustworthy are people with less than 70 IQ. Considering a lot of ppl here are not from sweden but from the middle east and africa. (muslims) It's no wonder those numbers are "high". And yes, i'm swedish.
religion is a dying childish game that has only lead the past in pain and missery. its time for atheist and science to lead the people to a bright future.
I agree with the six of them, maybe that's religious too... Religious books are also literature, and costumes are as social great providor of culture, art, opression and freedom too, etc. It depends on the mood to choose one of them, at last I'm free and slave. I have to say I'm not the kind of complete orthodox to any religion and I obviosuly know there are 'bigger' and 'smaller' things in the universe and far beyond, but I like to melt them together as one, sincretist hetherodox.
I agree with the six of them, maybe that's religious too... Religious books are also literature, and costumes are as social great providor of culture, art, opression and freedom too, etc. It depends on the mood to choose one of them, at last I'm free and slave. I have to say I'm not the kind of complete orthodox to any religion and I obviosuly know there are 'bigger' and 'smaller' things in the universe and far beyond, but I like to melt them together as one, sincretist hetherodox.
Even "We evolved under the guidance of a god" is acceptable to me. Theists are fallacious buttholes and all, but evolution denialists piss me off to no end.
BeBoBli 2 months ago
Kind of scary that just 73% accept evolution as a purely natural phenomena. I was hoping it was more like 90%. Hm. The old "Lack of knowledge about something => a god did it" argument.
Neil Tyson summarizes it nicely in this talk: v=Ti3mtDC2fQo (about 40 minutes).
Hopefully the 73% figure will rise as the older population is replaced by a younger generation.
0debug 2 months ago
So 10% say they believe in a personal god i guess that will be Christianity and Islam. The two big religious blocks in Sweden. So that leaves 48% that have some kind of belief in "something" Another way of saying "i don' t know and i don't really care for the official religions of the world.
TheThinkinggimp 3 months ago
I'm actually moving to Sweden next week! FUCK YEA!
MarcusEFN 4 months ago
back in 1910 two swedish missionary were sent to Brazil their names Daniel Berg and Gunnar Vingren, great men of God they did a great work opening a pentecostal church Assembleia de Deus today with 12 million people as menber of this church 3 million more than Sweden.
sjrodovalho 4 months ago
Christians have said sweden has most fags, racist, atheists and now highest suicide rate?...
xZibeGx 4 months ago
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This country has got one of the highest number of suicide in the world.
No God no purpose to live R. I. P.
sjrodovalho 4 months ago
@sjrodovalho
Sweden is no. 18, closely followed by Poland in 22nd place. Correlation does not equal causation, my friend. Denmark has a comparable level of non-belief to Sweden's and that country is in 40th place after the US. There are multiple factors at play here, including the taboo in the respective countries regarding suicide leading to accurate or embellished reporting.
wimsweden 4 months ago 12
@sjrodovalho Love you ignorance <3
Base everything on one thought, don't do any research but just say something you think is right even though you actually know nothing about it :) A very typical religious person is what you are. Weak-minded and uneducated.
DoggyC 4 months ago
@sjrodovalho Belief in gods & eternal paradise leaves no purpose to living here. Might as well be done with this & go on to enjoy eternity singing praises to & kissing ass of a sadistic cruel dictator.
Strangerinasland 4 months ago
@sjrodovalho
By your same logic: no afterlife, less reason to die.
BeBoBli 2 months ago
I'm Swedish and I know which one of wimsweden and Swecan76 I would rather have as a neighbor. Xenophobia is so 20:th century.
Hopefulfilment 6 months ago
I need to visit Sweden soon.
extrovertedthinker 6 months ago
Don't forget that Swedish government has imported over 400,000 muslims, which obviously would skew the result slightly towards a more religious perspective.
These people are NOT Swedes and never will be.
The original Swedish people since many generations back are even less religious.
Swecan76 6 months ago
@Swecan76
Most children of Muslim parents reach the same level of (non)-religiosity by the 2nd/3rd generation, though.
"These people are NOT Swedes and never will be." I'm an immigrant to Sweden. Are my children not Swedish according to you? In the 17the century, Stockholm had a large percentage of German inhabitants, does that mean anyone who descends from them is not Swedish? Are people who've been entering Sweden for centuries not Swedish?
"Original Swedish people" You mean the Sami?
wimsweden 6 months ago 3
@wimsweden
I am talking about muslims, as long as you follow that religion you never really become Swedish.
You do anything not to assimilate.
I consider a person Swedish when they are born in Sweden and basically act like Swedes and follow Swedish traditions etc.
Not what you look like.
I hope that clarifies it more.
Swecan76 6 months ago
@Swecan76
Sects likes Plymouthbröderna and Livets Ord are against a secular Swedish state and isolate themselves from general culture to different extents. Are they also not Swedes according to you?
There are different degrees of religiosity among Muslims. Like Christians, most don't read their religious scriptures, many sects like the Ahmadiyya are extremely liberal, and 2nd and 3rd generation people with Muslim heritage have the same type of cultural religiosity as most Christian Swedes.
wimsweden 6 months ago 2
@Swecan76
Also, I decided to retain my original nationality, but if I chose to, I could adopt the Swedish nationality. Would that mean you wouldn't consider me Swedish if I became a Swedish citizen?
wimsweden 6 months ago
@wimsweden As I said, if you become a part of the culture and assimilate into the Swedish society, then yes.
I do consider people to be Swedish if that happens.
But yet again if they are following Islam I don't think so, they don't assimilate the same way and their view from their religious stand point does not fit Swedish society formed for a 1000 years.
So it's more how you BECOME Swedish, not just because you LIVE there.
Islam and Sweden =/=. That day Sweden ceases to BE sweden.
Swecan76 6 months ago
@wimsweden For me a person need only think of themselves as Swedish and they are. That is what is the most important. Culture and religion change... Christianity is a religion forced upon the Swedish people. You believed or you died, still this religion is accepted in to our culture.
It is my thought that we do not need religion nor faith in a higher being, but more than that we need to retain our principles.
But what I wanted to say is. For me you are a swede (if you think you are)
ZaeroZ 6 months ago
@wimsweden I don't even find them human, but hey that's just me.
I'm an Atheist, but I can admit that Sweden was formed during Christianity and it's culture is mixed paganism and Christianity.
Islam does not even compute with how Sweden works and it's culture.
I am not the law maker on what constitutes as a Swede, but I will never accept a Muslim as a Swede, NEVER.
However our politicians is handing out Sweden to Islam like there is no tomorrow.
Mona muslim, she hates everything Swedish.
Swecan76 6 months ago
@Swecan76 are you sure you're not american?
randomperson2538 6 months ago
@randomperson2538
What does Americans have to do with it.
I am a Swede, living in Canada since a decade now, married to a Canadian woman.
So yet again I believe a person become the nationality of the country he/she lives in when they adopt the culture and way of life.
Sweden is NOT Hijab and Burka's, or Sharia or Mosque's or Islamic values ( irony on values).
Sweden did not exist for 1000 years in Islamic tradition and culture.
This is the problem Muslims seldom assimilate.
Swecan76 6 months ago
@Swecan76 the american thing was based on the fact that on the surface your arguement seems racist. Sorry I didn't look further into it but it was 3am and I was tired as shit.
A proper question would be: Don't you believe that a country can be multicultural?
randomperson2538 6 months ago
@randomperson2538 Not racist, I can't be racist against a religion.
I don't care about skin color, only what a person does and believe in.
The only countries that CAN be multi-cultural in my opinion are countries that started that way.
A country like Sweden and most other European nations already have culture going back thousand of years.
All the wars fought in EU was for these reasons and now they kind of just give it up.
It's the muslims that come in and don't adjust but demand their way.
Swecan76 6 months ago
@randomperson2538 Swedens own politicians has been saying like Mona Sahlin:
" I hate everything genuine Swedish in culture, and I think yours (talking to immigrants mostly muslim) is cooler and better".
How utterly disgusting and traitorous is that?
This is what's going on in Europe now, Sweden takes in more immigrants than countries 10 times it's size, and out of those only 5-7% are actual refugees rest is middle eastern muslims.
Violence and rape is up, whole areas have riots etc, it's sick
Swecan76 6 months ago
@Swecan76 Why can't you be a swedish muslim? Sounds a bit crazy if you ask me. If I as a swede converts to islam I would no longer be swedish? If we accept the christiancrazies all the crazies should be allowed. They all belive in mystical mumbo jumbo I don't see the diffirence. And If we're talking about cultural heritage then christianity is also a cultural import, and that worked out fine according to many people. Not me though but I let them have their weird shit for themselves.
sfwsfw 5 months ago
@sfwsfw I view islam as a threat, like a burgeoning nazi party, if you get my analogy.
They are NOT compatible to Swedish life and western democracy.
I don't much like christianity either, but Sweden as a nation didn't even exist before Christianity existed in Sweden.
Our life and culture is based in it, but Sweden is now secular, it is not hard-ass X-tian.
So just as we are getting better, then comes the dark ages again
Islam is evil and Swede joining them is not a Swede in my book.
Swecan76 5 months ago
@wimsweden Sami are from Finland and eastern if you step back in history, so no.
Of course you can consider yourself Swedish if you act and look Swedish.
MageAtYou 5 months ago
@MageAtYou
First, "if you step back in history", people will always originally be from somewhere else. So, I don't really get your argument. Second, the Sami are defined as an arctice people that inhabit a place that today is located in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. They are not "from Finland", and they are as much "from the East" as most other Swedes, because most of Swedes' ancestors would have belonged to Indo-European tribes making their way from the east to the west.
wimsweden 5 months ago
@wimsweden Samis originate from Finland, Russia. They are not tribal Swedes. For example you might want to look up the difference between Hallstat Nordid and East-Nordid.
MageAtYou 5 months ago
@MageAtYou
You mean ancestors of today's Sami at a certain point in time occupied a region that is now part of Finland and Russia? What is a "tribal Swede"?
"Hallstat Nordid" and "East-Nordid"? Have we gone back to the 19th century now with its ethnic classification "theories"? Those types of classifications are no longer deemed scientific, I think.
wimsweden 5 months ago
@wimsweden And everything that happened in the war is bad, because the winners write the history? You're doing logical errors. I don't see what relevance your point has, I don't relate to Nazi Germany in my text if that's what you think, you fool.
You think wrong, read about halopgroups also, or is DNA a hoax maybe? ha
MageAtYou 5 months ago
@MageAtYou
Who ever said anything about a war or Nazis (which is the 20th century)?
"you fool." Why the need for insults? :-(
"You think wrong, read about halopgroups also, or is DNA a hoax maybe?" No, why would I think it is?
wimsweden 5 months ago
I think we can all agree that Sweden is ahead of pretty much everyone
vaaaliant 9 months ago 30
@vaaaliant ... ur neighbors the finns xD nope were just along side sweden
Rainshadowish 6 months ago
@vaaaliant No, I am sorry, thats wrong.
THe UN does a test ever year which ranks countries. Norway is Nr1. Sweden is going down hill, and has ever since that got a conservative government.
gulbirk 5 months ago
@vaaaliant
hah, if u belive that, google "Malmö" ;)
o0leary 3 months ago
@o0leary I said Sweden ;)
vaaaliant 3 months ago
Those 3 of 10 who believe that science is not trustworthy are people with less than 70 IQ. Considering a lot of ppl here are not from sweden but from the middle east and africa. (muslims) It's no wonder those numbers are "high". And yes, i'm swedish.
lawless8888 11 months ago
@lawless8888 tja inte bara muslimer , kristna också!
Spyflugan91 9 months ago
@Spyflugan91 Ja för tusan, alla religioner är lika kassa.
lawless8888 9 months ago
religion is a dying childish game that has only lead the past in pain and missery. its time for atheist and science to lead the people to a bright future.
TheIcelandicPatriot 1 year ago 42
@TheIcelandicPatriot Hopefully, it won't be too late to turn things around
marmin88 3 weeks ago
@marmin88 Turn back to religion? Ha ha ha the Swedes are too smart for such childish belives.
TheIcelandicPatriot 3 weeks ago
@TheIcelandicPatriot Let's hope it's not too late to turn things around in this world before religion destroys it is what I ment : )
marmin88 3 weeks ago
@marmin88 Yes let's hope so. Religion has had it's run and now it's over.
TheIcelandicPatriot 3 weeks ago
I agree with the six of them, maybe that's religious too... Religious books are also literature, and costumes are as social great providor of culture, art, opression and freedom too, etc. It depends on the mood to choose one of them, at last I'm free and slave. I have to say I'm not the kind of complete orthodox to any religion and I obviosuly know there are 'bigger' and 'smaller' things in the universe and far beyond, but I like to melt them together as one, sincretist hetherodox.
DaveBritish 1 year ago
I agree with the six of them, maybe that's religious too... Religious books are also literature, and costumes are as social great providor of culture, art, opression and freedom too, etc. It depends on the mood to choose one of them, at last I'm free and slave. I have to say I'm not the kind of complete orthodox to any religion and I obviosuly know there are 'bigger' and 'smaller' things in the universe and far beyond, but I like to melt them together as one, sincretist hetherodox.
DaveBritish 1 year ago
Makes me proud, to be part of the majority :)
babitcprov 1 year ago