Tooltime9901, I'm not sure why you are thinking in extreme terms. I'm not a fence sitter. It doesn't take a massive conspiracy involving thousands of people to pull 911 off. It only requires a top few and everyone else below is on a need-to-know basis. The CIA are masters of manipulating public opinion its part of their purpose. The media has made public examples of questioning by branding people conspiracy theorists. People are afraid of being thought of as a kooks. So you get fence sitting.
tooltime9901 nice videos. you're a real thinker. i'm not such a fence sitter on this subject anymore on a few similar grounds that your on. mostly being that most 'inside job' vids are done by ppl our age with no connections to the government. also i noticed many of their 'tests' were probably not peer reviewed. i'm still ever so slightly on the fence, probably because theres so much info to look over and to know whether any scource is reliable for information, but i'd say 911 wasn't inside job
Your belief that the conspircy on 911 is not plauasible. You have ass backwards. The official story is not plausible at all. Simple=2 110 stories buildings that were a quarter of a mile high can not be completely destroyed in under 11 secs with out help from explosive like thermite.
@tooltime9901 So simply pointing out the obvious, like the sky is blue is not enough? You just us a butch of gibberish to try and make a point, but don't provide a damn bit of evidence to prove anything. I'm simply doing what you are doing, only I make it simple, that way people see I'm not just talking shit.
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I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but at least I make a valid point. 9/11 truth is easy because the official story absurdly moronic. You sir are a tool that doesn't do...
the vast conspiracy being implausible... not when the most powerful richest men in the country have enough wealth to buy out every person that would have to be involved. I refer directly to the federal reserve banking board. If say 1000 people were involved for instance, buying silence for these people is like a normal person tossing pocket change to a homeless man. As to how long this kinda scheme was being planned... about 60 years. purpose is to cause economic instability
The loosely fit together facts and assertions come from the 9-11 commission report. Why did all the Norad brass lie in their intial statements under oath? I'd say, it's not for the reason they gave which was that Arnold didn't want the military to look incompetent so he lied under oath. And so did others. Black operations and false flag attacks happen, they're actually real. Why were all the Able Danger tapes deleted and all the phone calls deleted by Cheney?
To believe Bin Laden is still on the loose commanding Al Qaida in all corners of the world for over 10 years now, seems more and more implausible as time goes on. Not one of the those tapes that were played to the United States that was purported to be Bin Laden was authentic. Not one was a live video. I think it's harder to believe that Bin Laden actually coordinated this and is still running everything secretly. That's a leap of faith, I think.
Condemning lack of prejudice, refusing to make judgement without adequate evidence, is the highest degree of fanaticism and irrationality, and it speaks volumes about your beliefs.
this guy wasn't saying it could be an inside job, he just said from his point of view there would have had to of been far to many people involved for there not to have been a leak after what come on ten years?
OMG, fuck this guy is long winded, and just slow. There's so much evidence but when you're this slow with shit, just don't bother. There are millions of truthers now, there were only thousands. How can anyone explain WTC7? Fires brought the building down at freefall speeds? Instantly?
The only reality is, that we know nothing than the official news-videos.
Reality is:
WTC7 came down without airplane crash and without critical structurual damage and without "devastating" fires. (Neither were there any devastating fires in the buildings I and II. "Devastating" fires look different.)
Reality is:
The whole structure of the WTC7 collapsed SIMULTANEOUS and instantly. If anything, it should collapse progressively with the start at that point where the maximum damage occured.
I find it hilarious that you applaud dprjones, a person who is basically saying anyone who might believe in ANY conspiracy is a nut, and then you go on to say that you think there are some merit to some conspiracies like watergate. The bottom line is that people like dprjones simply want to come on and attempt to make people look stupid to make themselves feel better.
As long as we have assholes assuming that there are no answers to what they assume there are questions to, they're going to just continue throwing out conspiracy theory, conjecture and a fuck tonne of finger pointing.
I mean hey, we still have a lot of people who think Elvis is still alive and look how long that's been going on. I can only imagine just how long the 911 "truth" movement is going to continue.
Your objectivity suffers from the assumption that there had to be this large scale conspiracy..
What if there was an actual plan for a terrorist-attack and a few people at the top just decided to help and make it a little bit bigger to get their much needed 2nd Pearl Harbor?
You can order exercises to make your air defense be confused and stay down, you can feed the media the stories you would like them to tell, you can remove all the evidence immediately, restrict the information and limit the fundings an investigation gets, you can fake documents and destract the public with wars and other problems, you can do all kinds of stuff so that only a very small handfull of people knows whats going on and anybody else is just following unsuspicious looking orders.
Fallacy 1: A hypothesis can be true or false regardless of how improbable you think it is.
Fallacy 2: Proving something wrong DOES NOT oblige you to come up with an alternative solution.
Fallacy 3: You obviously didn't research the subject well enough and don't seem to have any knowledge about structual physics and/or how conspiracies can work on a large scale with noone but the top knowing there even is one...
excuse me but i doubt that wtc7 c ollapsed into its own footprint and larry cockroach liar silverstien just happened to brag about how he ordered it pulled on natrional telivision.
one day soon we will purge all of you ppl new world order trying to talk at my daughters school but you will be dealt with.
soon i will deal with them.
new world order trying to say that 9/11 wasn't an inside job when it's right plainly in front of our eyes that it was.
It was not brought down by controlled demolition, due to the implications of conspiracy of unrealistically mammoth proportions, but I have sufficient reason to believe the government allowed it to happen in order to justify future wars and stripping us of our rights.
The official 9/11 report is like the bible. Some people believe blindly in it, and the ones with questions and doubt are attacked and have all their evidence is dismissed as "crazy", because it's not backed by the official story.
I think you have a very valid, rational argument, and I completely respect you, though I am inclined to disagree with you.
We bot agree on the fact that there is a problem with the epistemological interpretation of the events surrounding 9/11.
However, I disagree on your contention that it is 9/11 truthers who have this "skewed" belief you claim. I think you're argument may have some validity to it, but that you fail to acknowledge it is equally shared on both sides of the debate.
What I have a slight problem with is the gross underestimation of the threat we face from Islamic terrorism. People do not seem to want to consider the sophistication and determination of these kind of terrorists. They have immense financial backing, they live, work, train and are highly educated within the US and most probably (and this is my theory), hold jobs within the intelligence community itself. So is the "sweeping under the rug" maybe how far they have infiltrated the US government?
I would have called myself a "truther" maybe up until a year ago, but because a year ago I sat down and asked myself what I knew and what I could prove, and I came to the conclusion that I knew less than fuck all. I had immediately ruled out anyone with a PhD because of the distrust of them given to me by someone else. I like a lot of other people became instant "Columbo's" trying to solve the case. But there is very little logic to the truth movement, to me now it almost seems "fabricated".
(cont)--finally, let's face it. Bush/Cheney did not have the imagination or organizational competence to pull of something this big. They couldn't even manage a competent war out in the open with the full resources of the United States Military. If they had done something like this, I guarantee they would have fucked it up. Face it--if there were any cover ups, it was only by various parties trying to cover up their own incompetence and failure--that's it.
@OntologicalQuandary Evidence? Bush and Cheney were a pair of blithering idiots, who were in way over their heads, and thought they had everything figured out.
There is plenty of evidence, go find it yourself. I am not your personal encyclopedia. I know it is easy to think pseudo-intellectual liberalism is the best counter culture to right wing idiocy, but I can assure you it is not.
@OntologicalQuandary Really? You made an assertion. I just called on you to provide something in support of it. I've looked into all the 9/11 conspiracy theories. They all ignore simpler more logical explanations. I hated the Bush administration, but I'm not prepared to believe in fantastic conspiracies just because I hated them.
@blackplatypus Incompetent--exactly. I can even believe "evil" over "well-meaning" although both are highly subjective in this context. I don't think people really understand how truly vast and highly organized such a conspiracy would have to be. It would have to involve thousands of people--including janitors who don't even speak English.
(cont). Furthermore, what would be the point of demolishing the buildings after flying the planes into them? Isn't the planes enough? Why bothering to demolish building 7? What's the point of that? That makes the conspiracy case weaker, not stronger. Just flying the planes into the buildings would be enough for the stated goals the conspiracy theorists outline, without the additional risk of controlled demolition and the much larger conspiracy that would necessitate.
(cont). Wires would have been strung all over the building for a controlled demolition. It would have been obvious to almost everyone going to work that day that something truly bizarre was going on. All of security, all of the maintenance people would have to be in on it, and none could breathe a word to anyone. Was the planes flying into the buildings set up too? In that case, the airlines, pilots, crew, possibly passengers, air traffic controllers, NORAD--all would have to be in.
9/11 conspiracy is nuts. It would indeed be a truly vast conspiracy the likes of which the world has never seen, involving thousands of people. The controlled demolition theory is truly nuts. All of the security people, all the custodians, all the facilities people would have had to be not only totally in on it, and willing to kill all the people they work with, but be killed themselves. It probably would have taken days of work, hauling in truckloads of explosives and equipment.
Most truthers get really high ratings naturally, yours seem to be artificially inflated fake ratings, "debunkers" and disinfo artists have lots of sock-puppet accounts, they need an army of trolls to push the fraud.
Terrible arguments. First of all, I know my physics very well, at least in what pertains to everything surrounding 9/11 so I don't need to kinda, sorta, wishy washy believe anything on that front because I know what is possible, and what isn't. There is much evidence to counter everything you said and far more, you're just not looking if you claim there is none. NIST for one claims there was no evidence of explosives/explosions and there is literally shit loads to the contrary. RESEARCH.
Yeah if 911 was a conspiracy.. it would have had to have been a VAST conspiracy. You would have had to have people on the inside, you would have had to have cleaned up the rubble really fast to get rid of the evidence, you would have had to remove any camera footage that may have shown anything suspicious and you would have had to rush the investigation through ensuring that anything suspicious was omitted. Otherwise you would have another watergate.
there were a couple companies in the months prior to 911 had done 'asbestos' cleanup work in the buildings, and that very likely was when the demolish ion work was accomplished
Look up the word "COMPARTMENTALIZATION"! 2 planes 3 buildings fell?? Shanksville jet airliner missing? Your being to intellectual about it! Try more common sense!
I think what's he's saying is that you are trying to dissuade people from being skeptical. And from what we know about our government's past false flags begs us to question *any* "official" story.
Personally, the tone should be that most were unknowingly complicit not conspirators. Most of the people were actors in the play. Only a few were passive directors. That's the only way for "it" to be genuine and organically play-out.
There are never any conspiracies that long outlast the deed itself. For example, there was a conspiracy on 9/11, but it was among several young religious zealots. Or Watergate. There is also the conspiracy taking place on a one-way track between the asses and mouths of 9/11 Truthers. These are what real conspiracies look like. Any secret sustained for a substantial length of time would require as its first quality that it be shared among one person.
Oh and btw for this to be an inside job all that would be needed would be Fed. Gov. involvement, the media receives info from the Gov and does not question it, as angry americans who were just attacked, we took all the info given by the press and believed it cause thats whats right and thats what the Gov said, now we find holes in the official story which is the reason there are so many fucking fence sitters....they have the real story...thats why people cannot make a conclusion dipshit.
So you can be smart and investigate the blatant proof.
(Just an example, Pentagon was hit an hour after WTC, we have the most advanced military in the world to handle these things, what happened on that morning?)
or you can be another ignorant american, like yourself.
Cont'd) The only people I have spoken with at length that believe the official story are a philosopher, an economist, an english major, and a guy in radio...
If you even are a philosopher, you should know that making vague claims about "the number of people needed to pull this off is so large blah blah blah..." is not a valid point for or against the claim of demolition. Empirical evidence is all that matters and there is plenty of that to lay doubt to the official story.
@OntologicalQuandary ":is not a valid point for or against the claim of demolition" and if you could actually track an argument, the point of that statement was against the idea of a small conspiracy.
I think what's he's saying is that you are trying to dissuade people from being skeptical. And from what we know about our government's past false flags begs us to question *any* "official" story.
Personally, the tone should be that most were unknowingly complicit not conspirators. Most of the people were actors in the play. Only a few were passive directors. That's the only way for "it" to be genuine and organically play-out.
I think what's he's saying is that you are trying to dissuade people from being skeptical. And from what we know about our government's past false flags begs us to question *any* "official" story.
Personally, the tone should be that most were unknowingly complicit not conspirators. Most of the people were actors in the play. Only a few were passive directors. That's the only way for "it" to be genuine and organically play-out.
As an engineer its starting to get really damn annoying to see non-scientists like this guy make claims about which he really does not have a general understanding. He even used the phrase "philosophize about this." Lol, leave your philosophy to the worthless problems of that long dead academic field and leave the science to... scientists. Most of the scientists I know (all of them with which I have had a thorough conversation) believe wtc7 (at least) was demolished.
@OntologicalQuandary you can shove your "well I'm an engineer so I am more qualified to speak that you" up your fuck ass. i am through listening to truther appeals to authority, while they ignore the countless experts that disagree with them and dismiss them out of hand.
you offer fallacies and anecdotal testimony while mocking philosophy? LULZ
Lol see, I dont care what you believe. You are a philosopher (hell not even a real one) and I am an engineer. YOU make the appeals to authority by referring to "expert testimonials". I am in no way, shape or form making an appeal to authority when I have taken the pain in the ass courses to understand why physical things happen and come to the conclusions ON MY OWN.
Your second post made little if any sense so I won't respond to it.
@OntologicalQuandary "Most of the scientists I know (all of them with which I have had a thorough conversation) believe wtc7 (at least) was demolished."
@OntologicalQuandary Um..it doesn't matter if it's 2011 or 2525 reality is still reality and radical islamists did hijack airplanes. They did crash them into WTC I and II and the Pentagon. Flight 93 did crash in PA. The bodies WERE recovered. So yeah you are the ignoramous here.
man you are clearly unable to think outside the box. Why the FUCK would "radical islamists" (please quote the term since it is totally fabricated" want to take down the trade towers? If you say "because they are jealous of our freedoms" I am going to laugh my fucking ass off. What did they gain from it? NOTHING. What did financial elites gain from it? Billions (read: trillions) of dollars.
The world ONLY makes sense from this pov. And that is before even looking at the science.
@OntologicalQuandary Really...Construction ingeneer? Demolition and explosive engeneer?? Do you have any goddamn idea how much preparation, planning and actual work it takes to rig with explosives a building the size of WTC 7???? Do you know that it is impossible to rig a building with people still working there...??!!! Without attracting attention??!!!!!! Jesus-Christ, where is everybody's common sense!!!! Come up with a valid explaination, pal. Not theories out of the fuckin blue.
The problem with the paranoid industry is that evidence is not a virtue. 9/11 could very well be an inside job (depending on what that means), but I don't see enough evidence pointing that way to draw that conclusion.
I do find that it's "odd" that there were drills happening at the exact same time on both 9/11 and 7/7. There's definitely something rotten in the state of Denmark.
A cover-up is easier if most people are strongly predisposed to believe your cover story. Even if one of the cleanup workers had found clear evidence, who would have believed them? We all "knew" who did it already, right?
If the state DID do something like 9/11, they'd get away with it unless there were enough people who looked carefully instead of dismissing it out of hand.
Evaluating plausibility here is more like with psychics than physics. Elaborate deception is a relevant consideration.
@oitsugina 1944: U.S. State Department memo refers to Middle Eastern oil as "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history." During U.S.-British negotiations over the control of Middle Eastern oil, President Roosevelt sketches out a map of the Middle East and tells the British Ambassador, "Persian oil is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it's ours."
The official story is completely believable and highly plausible. It doesn't mean its true. If it were a conspiracy, why would it have to be a vast conspiracy? Is that not an assumption on your part?
For me, I have evidence that the collapses of WTC 1 and 2 were not progressive collapses as described by the experts, which I would be happy to share if you are interested. And no, its not near free fall speed or squibs or "What about WTC 7?".
To any and all 9/11 truthers: If you believe that the US government attacked it's own citizens, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Why risk being murdered when you could move?
@IamLiterallyRetarded 1)I like my country.I'm not moving just because it happens to be under the control of one moron or another some of the time.
2)I think economics enters into the equation for alot of people.Have to become a citizen in where ever you're moving to,make arrangements for a place to stay.Buy Plane tickets and airfare for your family..etc.
Why do all that when I can simply work to change the corruption in question. Government isn't the problem it's the people running it.
@gamesmaster35 This goes beyond corruption. We are talking about murder. If you can't move, you should all be literally up in arms. BUT you are all conspiracy theorists with nothing but incredulity as your evidence.
@gamesmaster35 I just read your earlier post and you are not the type I was addressing. I think it's plausible that the US government knew some sort of attack was possible, I just do not think they orchestrated it. Negligence, not murder.
you listed all of the people who would have been in on it, except the morons like you whostill believe the official story. they (your ignorance) are the biggest part of the conspiracy after all
I don't think that anything was planned by a central organisation. I think it was simply allowed to happen, guided by influence and let be.
As for a mass of bodies covering a conspiracy? It would only take a few high ranking people to make this happen, as most everyone in America who wears a uniform obeys the flag without question.
In short, there are too many questions raised that have never been answered about that day and other days to leave it in the hands of speculative science.
Well I don't know about all the other fence sitters but I question the official story for this reason.Not that I doubt a group of Arab men took over the plane or that they flew them into buildings causing the buildings to fall.I just think the government had a good idea of what was going on and didn't stop it because it provided the perfect narrative to go to war.Which was what the previous administration wanted anyway.
I used to be a 9/11 truther. Looking back I am shocked, ashamed, and very embarrassed I could have been so mislead. The problem is their is a lot of misinformation, and twisted facts out their. So if you want to believe it you can find things that will convince you.
I still feel that some things were probably hidden. Not a conspiracy, but probably some security failures, and mistakes. That would look bad if they got out.
People are lazy, don't want to go through the pile of justification of what they believe in. And people don't want to be looked at as fanatics. Cause allot of people see people that believe conspiracy theories like fanatics.
So it's more easy to say that the original story doesn't¨t fit the picture.... wich is true.
curiously, many critics of political conspiracy theories accept the fact that criminal conspiracies exist, and that some of them, such as the mafia, have existed for hundreds of years and spread their influence worldwide... yet relatively few people understand that in nearly every society in history the largest and most ruthless criminal enterprise has been government itself ~ some guy
Our gov had no fore knowledge. BUT BUSH DID use this national tragedy to pursue his own personal vendetas while allowing the true enemy to escape. Now Radical Islam is growing stronger and stronger. Lock and load boys.
To paraphrase Mark Steyn: If I really believed that my government was capable of doing something so horrific to its own people, I wouldn't be sitting about sipping a latté and ordering another '9/11 was an inside job' bumper sticker.
Every time some little twerp walks about a college campus with a 9/11 truth banner or george bush is a nazi poster they demean millions and millions of people who have had to live under REAL fascism and totalitarian, genocidal regimes.
@DrunkAtheist Exactly. If I truly believed that the US government would blatantly slaughter it's citizens I'd be on the next flight out.
(Not to say that I don't think the government uses citizens as cannon fodder for the military-industrial complex, but since there is no draft the people that sign up are not being forced.)
This video is so childish you should be dropping your courses man. Not making claims here just answering. USA had full control of many Latin American and Asian Tyrants and their terrorists just with a few groups of CIA agents. Did not need a vast conspiracy there. Saying things like " A Vast Consiracy" is more debunkable than anything a Truther could say. There are so many questions you do not ask, you should probably drop the issue. Besides who has a deep look into political backrooms?
I know it seems implausible to orchestrate something so complex, which is why I don't just believe any old Alex Jones off the street who thinks they know every step of the "scheme".
But I DO know the government withheld evidence, avoided and impeded investigation, and then springboarded into civil rights violations and military action.
I just think to be this covert and obstructionist means there must be SOMETHING they swept under the rug; it may have simply been their own failures.
Yeah, nice attempt to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic of a claim instead of the proponents of the opposing claims. You are trying to set up a false dichotomy, and you fail in doing so, and while you may fool your sheep subscribers, I see right through this. Even in a true dichotomy, rejection of one side does not default you into the other nor place the burden of proof on you that to provide a third alternative. Your position in this video reminds me of a dialogue Matt Dilahunty...
... had on his show in which a theist caller tried to misrepresent atheism into being a positive claim that there is no god, and when Matt corrected him, the caller was dumbfounded and asked Matt how he could claim that when it's a true dichotomy and there is not other option but god or no god. Matt used the analogy where he flipped a coin and asked the theist if they believe the coin was on heads, to which he replied "no", and then Matt asked if he believed it was on tails,...
...to which the theist likewise replied "no", and so Matt said "I rest my case!". Matt explained, that is a true dichotomy, it can only be either heads or tails, but just because someone doesn't believe it's heads, that does NOT default them into the position of believing it is tails, and contrary to the logic used to argue in your video, not believing the coin is on heads also does NOT place a burden of proof onto that skeptic to explain how it could not be on tails if it is not on heads. ...
Same with Matt's jury analogy, just because you vote "not guilty" doesn't mean you believe the defendant is innocent, it simply means the evidence for his guilt is insufficient to convince him. It is NEVER the burden of the juror who votes "not guilty" to either prove the defendant is innocent nor(by analogy, as your video would demand) is it the burden of that juror to provide some alternative scenario where the defendant can be be neither innocent or guilty. ...
Nope, the burden of proof is on the proponent of the claim, not the skeptic to that claim, just as the burden of proof is on the attorneys, not the jurors, and just as the burden of proof is on the theist, not the atheist, so also is the burden of proof on the conspiracy theorist, not the skeptic of those theories, AND, the burden on proof is on the government and the other proponents of the 'official story', NOT on the skeptics of that story. ...
Just as I can reject both positions that the coin is either on heads or tails when there's insufficient evidence, even though it is a true dichotomy, likewise I can reject the position of BOTH the official story AND the meriad of conspiracy theories out there, even though that is allegedly a true dichotomy(according to YOU in your video here, which I'm not even convinced that is a true dichotomy and I think is a bit of a non-sequitur on your part), because the burden of proof is...
...on the proponents of those claims, not on me. I noticed on one of your other videos a fellow asked you if the evidence was sufficient for the official story and if the same standards of evidence and skepticism that are applied to conspiracy theories are equally applied to the official story(and any variants, if any, of that), and that was a month ago and you have yet to reply. And broad stroke assertion like, I quote, "there is plenty of evidence" without...
...presenting said evidence is just as bad as conspiracy theorists or the folks who claim there's more evidence for the biblical Jesus than there is for Julius Caesar, and yet never explain themselves and address the evidence there. ...
So, to start bringing this to a close, your ever so subtle attempt here to shift the burden of proof makes me wonder if even you, if only just a subconscious level, notice gaps, inconsistencies, or anything else that may be wanting in your alleged full proof 'official story'. The logic behind your antics in this video makes you the atheist version of Shockofgod. I'm out.
@chokemychiken Thumbs up to that. If someone feels they have some unanswered questions and want to come to some of their own conclusions, then whats to scoff at about that. Dude comes off like a smug asshole in this video.
You clearly did not read and/or did not understand what all I posted. Creationists make claims, I am skeptical of them until they are supported with sufficient evidence. Conspiracy theorists make claims. I am skeptical of them until they present sufficient evidence. The official story makes claims. I am skeptical of them until they are supported with sufficient evidence
And so on.
No claims on the part of the skeptic in any of these instances, so there's nothing which needs evidence.
It's been almost 9 years since 9/11 happened, and the biggest thing the truthers have achieved is infiltrating Bill Maher's audience and heckling him.
Either they don't actually believe in their own conspiracy theories, or they do but don't actually care. In either case, they're hypocrites and should shut the hell up.
Here's why I question the official story: 6 of the members of the 9/11 commission have also gone on to question the official story... Thomas Kean himself stated "We to this day dont know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth." It should be known what policies and/or policy changes led to directly or indirectly our inability to subdue those attacks.
cont. While everyone tries to associate a dissent to the government on this matter as being a nut, there is a large number of us who want to see a new investigation begun. Too many people believe the offical story is we were attacked simply by radical muslims and don't even know why.
Well I just watched September Clues and have to recommend you watch it. As insane as the missile theory was at first, this guy Simon Shack demonstrates with the 9-11 tv coverage, how videos were doctored, edited and more. septemberclues . info I am now convinced that 9-11 IS an inside job.
Vast conspiracy? You would only need 1 person on the inside to ensure
military success on this particular misson: Dick Cheney. He planned the military excersises, and had the power to intervene directly in the military response.
He could also easily justify limitations in the investigation, since the investigators
would be prone to accountability for lacking response and would therefore agree.
Tooltime, First off just want to say i have great respect for you and greatly enjoy your videos but what gets me for the 9/11 stuff is that there was not one investigation on after the attacks. Yes groups did come out and claim this was there responsibility, but wouldn't the government want to at least search for explosive matter in the rubble? Also just want to point out i do not claim anything for this for i do not know what realy happened no one will really know.
The most damning evidence to me is this. IF the towers were brought down by fire then the law of averages dictate that the steel would be heated up in a-symmetrical patterns. Therefore one side would get weaker before all others. And upon structural failure, the building would of course fall to the weaker side. It's like playing Jenga. If you pull out one side and there is not enough balance, the tower of pieces fall to that side. Yet all 3 WTC towers fell STRAIGHT down. No... way....
If the planes and fire brought 3 steel buildings STRAIGHT down then what's the point of hiring a demolition team? Clearly demolition teams spend years training and months wiring buildings to fall straight down for a reason. If all it takes to bring a building straight down is causing random damage to a building and arbitrarily setting some fires then the building demolition profession is in trouble.
@MassacreBlast well for one thing, pilots might be hard to come by.
but in all seriousness, the twin towers did not fall "straight down". debris fell quite far and did a lot of damage to a lot of other buildings. that is exactly what they try to avoid in a controlled demo
@tooltime9901 - I thought it was a well established fact that all 3 buildings collapsed symmetrically and more or less straight down. True there was significant debris however wouldn't random damage cause a random collapse and not a symmetrical one? Common sense indicates that the buildings should have fallen to the side or twisted off and not come straight down.
@MassacreBlast - Furthermore, debris is irrelevant to the buildings falling straight down. If a controlled demo was done on a building that had a plane crash into it and was on fire, you'd see significant debris as well.
gravity is not intelligent. it does not know when it is pulling things straight down that there is other floors underneath. think about it, how should it have fallen? toppled over sideways? there was no force pushing it that way. gravity was pulling it straight down and so down it went. the whole "path of greatest resistance" thing is total BS.
@tooltime9901 - Okay, first you said the buildings didn't fall straight down. Now it's not an issue... Anyway. I understand gravity. When I say that the building should have fallen to the side I'm not implying that a force is pushing it over. I'm merely pointing out that if you have randomly placed fires, one side is bound to get weaker first. Just like Jenga. Pull out one side and if there's nothing holding it up, the building falls to that side. No magical force needed, just common sense.
@tooltime9901 - True enough. I suppose I'll look into it more, however they did overall fall very nicely down. Put it this way, if a demolition team took buildings down of that size, I would have thought they did a good job. Of course, aside from the debris caused by the planes and fire which are aspects not present in a typical demolition.
Anyway, I hope nobody thinks I'm jumping to conclusions about 'inside job'. I just find some aspects of 9-11 hard to swallow.
@tooltime9901 what leads one to a conspiracy is facts that don't add up with the official report. If the government would come out and explain everything then everything would be put to rest.
@tooltime9901 dude, dude I can't believe you upped this that whole spiel about the people filled in on the conspiracy is complete bull. It only takes a handful of people, top officials to make it look real. Like the president and a handful of other politicians. Everyone doesn't need to and would not be informed if one of the conspiracy theories is right. The ones conspiring don't want anybody else to know the truth. This is like basic knowledge.
@tooltime9901 No Joke, its for real, the people who are attempting to explain it all as if 19 suicidal Arabs caused the whole thing .... are very much like the people praising the non-existent tailor, rather than busing the emperor for INDECENT EXPOSURE ..... its a sick sad world!
you're dealing with people who have fried their brains. 9/11 truthers are up there on the insanity scale right next to "reptilians" sceintology and anti-semetic conspiracies. hell dig a bit you will get into that shit.
ultra-massive conspiracies always, ALWAYS fail due to the human element. it is the same reason that a utopia could never exist. both are products of the human mind and neither reflect our world.
@Charlie666XZ the path of least resistance has nothing to do with magically avoiding obstacles bellow it. gravity is not intelligent, it pulled straight down, and thus the towers fell straight down.
Tooltime9901, I'm not sure why you are thinking in extreme terms. I'm not a fence sitter. It doesn't take a massive conspiracy involving thousands of people to pull 911 off. It only requires a top few and everyone else below is on a need-to-know basis. The CIA are masters of manipulating public opinion its part of their purpose. The media has made public examples of questioning by branding people conspiracy theorists. People are afraid of being thought of as a kooks. So you get fence sitting.
rebelking100 2 months ago
tooltime9901 nice videos. you're a real thinker. i'm not such a fence sitter on this subject anymore on a few similar grounds that your on. mostly being that most 'inside job' vids are done by ppl our age with no connections to the government. also i noticed many of their 'tests' were probably not peer reviewed. i'm still ever so slightly on the fence, probably because theres so much info to look over and to know whether any scource is reliable for information, but i'd say 911 wasn't inside job
LOGIC42369 3 months ago
I see a man with downs syndrome talking
JZJYRWO 4 months ago
Your belief that the conspircy on 911 is not plauasible. You have ass backwards. The official story is not plausible at all. Simple=2 110 stories buildings that were a quarter of a mile high can not be completely destroyed in under 11 secs with out help from explosive like thermite.
911theinsidejob 5 months ago
@911theinsidejob simply saying it cannot be proves nothing.
tooltime9901 5 months ago
@tooltime9901 So simply pointing out the obvious, like the sky is blue is not enough? You just us a butch of gibberish to try and make a point, but don't provide a damn bit of evidence to prove anything. I'm simply doing what you are doing, only I make it simple, that way people see I'm not just talking shit.
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I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but at least I make a valid point. 9/11 truth is easy because the official story absurdly moronic. You sir are a tool that doesn't do...
911theinsidejob 5 months ago
@911theinsidejob ...it's job, a bad infomercial at best.
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I can't put it any other way, you suck! You should take some lessons from Merlin5x5, now he is good.
911theinsidejob 5 months ago
@tooltime9901 So what do these countless experts say happened to building seven? I'd love a good answer! seriously..
soldatheero 5 months ago
the vast conspiracy being implausible... not when the most powerful richest men in the country have enough wealth to buy out every person that would have to be involved. I refer directly to the federal reserve banking board. If say 1000 people were involved for instance, buying silence for these people is like a normal person tossing pocket change to a homeless man. As to how long this kinda scheme was being planned... about 60 years. purpose is to cause economic instability
UnruleySheep 5 months ago
The loosely fit together facts and assertions come from the 9-11 commission report. Why did all the Norad brass lie in their intial statements under oath? I'd say, it's not for the reason they gave which was that Arnold didn't want the military to look incompetent so he lied under oath. And so did others. Black operations and false flag attacks happen, they're actually real. Why were all the Able Danger tapes deleted and all the phone calls deleted by Cheney?
charlesfloyb 10 months ago 2
To believe Bin Laden is still on the loose commanding Al Qaida in all corners of the world for over 10 years now, seems more and more implausible as time goes on. Not one of the those tapes that were played to the United States that was purported to be Bin Laden was authentic. Not one was a live video. I think it's harder to believe that Bin Laden actually coordinated this and is still running everything secretly. That's a leap of faith, I think.
charlesfloyb 10 months ago
Condemning lack of prejudice, refusing to make judgement without adequate evidence, is the highest degree of fanaticism and irrationality, and it speaks volumes about your beliefs.
You live up to your username here, tool.
SexyMelon 10 months ago
"That 19 Arabs hijacked four planes seems well established."
Actually no. I think about half of the 19 guys have turned up alive.
And how did they find one guy's passport in the rubble?
rfwelsh 11 months ago
@rfwelsh All cases of mistaken identity
niriop 7 months ago
this guy wasn't saying it could be an inside job, he just said from his point of view there would have had to of been far to many people involved for there not to have been a leak after what come on ten years?
PeopleEqualsPower 11 months ago
OMG, fuck this guy is long winded, and just slow. There's so much evidence but when you're this slow with shit, just don't bother. There are millions of truthers now, there were only thousands. How can anyone explain WTC7? Fires brought the building down at freefall speeds? Instantly?
howiboy 11 months ago
@howiboy
freefall speeds? you're a tard.
mancltymagics1 9 months ago
@howiboy Just for WTC 7: First, one of the two penthouses collasped. Then it took 11 seconds for 18 floors to collapse.
The North Tower took 22 seconds, the South took 15; hardly free fall of the supposed 11 seconds.
niriop 7 months ago
The only reality is, that we know nothing than the official news-videos.
Reality is:
WTC7 came down without airplane crash and without critical structurual damage and without "devastating" fires. (Neither were there any devastating fires in the buildings I and II. "Devastating" fires look different.)
Reality is:
The whole structure of the WTC7 collapsed SIMULTANEOUS and instantly. If anything, it should collapse progressively with the start at that point where the maximum damage occured.
dugall1 11 months ago
@dugall1 This guy is not interested in the facts.
rfwelsh 11 months ago
The whole issue with the WTCs wouldn't be clear (if inside job or terrorist attack) up to that point where the WTC7 collapsed.
You really should focus more on the collapse of the WTC7. Everything becomes crystal clear then. Was a huge mistake.
And please, don't try to tell the people the WTC7 came down by damage made by debris - this explanation is just witless.
dugall1 11 months ago
Used many words and sentences without finding a clear conclusion. Seems rather to be a distraction than a summary.
Anyway, it's allowed to express thoughts and beliefs (4:28).
But to believe and to assume are different attitudes. If talking about belief nobody can neither prove nor disprove. (sorry for being picky)
dugall1 11 months ago
I find it hilarious that you applaud dprjones, a person who is basically saying anyone who might believe in ANY conspiracy is a nut, and then you go on to say that you think there are some merit to some conspiracies like watergate. The bottom line is that people like dprjones simply want to come on and attempt to make people look stupid to make themselves feel better.
CFrostyTheSnowman 1 year ago
Hey... wait a minute. Tooltime, you aren't supporting the 911 truth movement claims. I mean look all around you, the EVIDENCE is there!!
You... you must be part of the cover up!!
berner 1 year ago
As long as we have assholes assuming that there are no answers to what they assume there are questions to, they're going to just continue throwing out conspiracy theory, conjecture and a fuck tonne of finger pointing.
I mean hey, we still have a lot of people who think Elvis is still alive and look how long that's been going on. I can only imagine just how long the 911 "truth" movement is going to continue.
berner 1 year ago
Your objectivity suffers from the assumption that there had to be this large scale conspiracy..
What if there was an actual plan for a terrorist-attack and a few people at the top just decided to help and make it a little bit bigger to get their much needed 2nd Pearl Harbor?
Part truth is the most deceptive lie.
181183R20710 1 year ago
You can order exercises to make your air defense be confused and stay down, you can feed the media the stories you would like them to tell, you can remove all the evidence immediately, restrict the information and limit the fundings an investigation gets, you can fake documents and destract the public with wars and other problems, you can do all kinds of stuff so that only a very small handfull of people knows whats going on and anybody else is just following unsuspicious looking orders.
181183R20710 1 year ago
Argument from own Icredulity.
Fallacy 1: A hypothesis can be true or false regardless of how improbable you think it is.
Fallacy 2: Proving something wrong DOES NOT oblige you to come up with an alternative solution.
Fallacy 3: You obviously didn't research the subject well enough and don't seem to have any knowledge about structual physics and/or how conspiracies can work on a large scale with noone but the top knowing there even is one...
181183R20710 1 year ago
excuse me but i doubt that wtc7 c ollapsed into its own footprint and larry cockroach liar silverstien just happened to brag about how he ordered it pulled on natrional telivision.
one day soon we will purge all of you ppl new world order trying to talk at my daughters school but you will be dealt with.
soon i will deal with them.
new world order trying to say that 9/11 wasn't an inside job when it's right plainly in front of our eyes that it was.
AnonymousElektron 1 year ago
It was not brought down by controlled demolition, due to the implications of conspiracy of unrealistically mammoth proportions, but I have sufficient reason to believe the government allowed it to happen in order to justify future wars and stripping us of our rights.
VegitoVai90 1 year ago
The official 9/11 report is like the bible. Some people believe blindly in it, and the ones with questions and doubt are attacked and have all their evidence is dismissed as "crazy", because it's not backed by the official story.
Oyhus 1 year ago
The US government is stupid and corrupt, but they're not stupid and corrupt enough to do something like this.
OxiDemonik 1 year ago
I think you have a very valid, rational argument, and I completely respect you, though I am inclined to disagree with you.
We bot agree on the fact that there is a problem with the epistemological interpretation of the events surrounding 9/11.
However, I disagree on your contention that it is 9/11 truthers who have this "skewed" belief you claim. I think you're argument may have some validity to it, but that you fail to acknowledge it is equally shared on both sides of the debate.
Ariomaniac 1 year ago
What I have a slight problem with is the gross underestimation of the threat we face from Islamic terrorism. People do not seem to want to consider the sophistication and determination of these kind of terrorists. They have immense financial backing, they live, work, train and are highly educated within the US and most probably (and this is my theory), hold jobs within the intelligence community itself. So is the "sweeping under the rug" maybe how far they have infiltrated the US government?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
I would have called myself a "truther" maybe up until a year ago, but because a year ago I sat down and asked myself what I knew and what I could prove, and I came to the conclusion that I knew less than fuck all. I had immediately ruled out anyone with a PhD because of the distrust of them given to me by someone else. I like a lot of other people became instant "Columbo's" trying to solve the case. But there is very little logic to the truth movement, to me now it almost seems "fabricated".
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@blackjerryboymetal
Uh... ok? Bet taken. Pay up.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
I don't man... to me it just seems retarded to burn down my house to pick a fight with someone...
'sides, even if people did hear bombs go off, couldn't they have been bombs strapped to suicide bombers?
Nope, as the Bible foretold, the children of Ishmael and Esau hate the children of Israel, and would cause them problems down through time...
Thistlesifter220 1 year ago
(cont)--finally, let's face it. Bush/Cheney did not have the imagination or organizational competence to pull of something this big. They couldn't even manage a competent war out in the open with the full resources of the United States Military. If they had done something like this, I guarantee they would have fucked it up. Face it--if there were any cover ups, it was only by various parties trying to cover up their own incompetence and failure--that's it.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac
dont be a moron, Bush and Cheney never wanted the war to go well.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
@OntologicalQuandary Evidence? Bush and Cheney were a pair of blithering idiots, who were in way over their heads, and thought they had everything figured out.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac
There is plenty of evidence, go find it yourself. I am not your personal encyclopedia. I know it is easy to think pseudo-intellectual liberalism is the best counter culture to right wing idiocy, but I can assure you it is not.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
@OntologicalQuandary Really? You made an assertion. I just called on you to provide something in support of it. I've looked into all the 9/11 conspiracy theories. They all ignore simpler more logical explanations. I hated the Bush administration, but I'm not prepared to believe in fantastic conspiracies just because I hated them.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
@DandAinTac
He's right... our "psuedo-intellectual liberalism" clearly has no effect on his right wing idiocy.
I don't get how people can ne more convinced that everyone is evil and a genius rather than well-meaning and incompetent.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Incompetent--exactly. I can even believe "evil" over "well-meaning" although both are highly subjective in this context. I don't think people really understand how truly vast and highly organized such a conspiracy would have to be. It would have to involve thousands of people--including janitors who don't even speak English.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
(cont). Furthermore, what would be the point of demolishing the buildings after flying the planes into them? Isn't the planes enough? Why bothering to demolish building 7? What's the point of that? That makes the conspiracy case weaker, not stronger. Just flying the planes into the buildings would be enough for the stated goals the conspiracy theorists outline, without the additional risk of controlled demolition and the much larger conspiracy that would necessitate.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
(cont). Wires would have been strung all over the building for a controlled demolition. It would have been obvious to almost everyone going to work that day that something truly bizarre was going on. All of security, all of the maintenance people would have to be in on it, and none could breathe a word to anyone. Was the planes flying into the buildings set up too? In that case, the airlines, pilots, crew, possibly passengers, air traffic controllers, NORAD--all would have to be in.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
9/11 conspiracy is nuts. It would indeed be a truly vast conspiracy the likes of which the world has never seen, involving thousands of people. The controlled demolition theory is truly nuts. All of the security people, all the custodians, all the facilities people would have had to be not only totally in on it, and willing to kill all the people they work with, but be killed themselves. It probably would have taken days of work, hauling in truckloads of explosives and equipment.
DandAinTac 1 year ago
Most truthers get really high ratings naturally, yours seem to be artificially inflated fake ratings, "debunkers" and disinfo artists have lots of sock-puppet accounts, they need an army of trolls to push the fraud.
Xenomorph911WTC 1 year ago
@Xenomorph911WTC plus you have advertising, what a joke.
Xenomorph911WTC 1 year ago
official story = debunked a long time ago
elitistagenda 1 year ago
Terrible arguments. First of all, I know my physics very well, at least in what pertains to everything surrounding 9/11 so I don't need to kinda, sorta, wishy washy believe anything on that front because I know what is possible, and what isn't. There is much evidence to counter everything you said and far more, you're just not looking if you claim there is none. NIST for one claims there was no evidence of explosives/explosions and there is literally shit loads to the contrary. RESEARCH.
ryinski2 1 year ago
Yeah if 911 was a conspiracy.. it would have had to have been a VAST conspiracy. You would have had to have people on the inside, you would have had to have cleaned up the rubble really fast to get rid of the evidence, you would have had to remove any camera footage that may have shown anything suspicious and you would have had to rush the investigation through ensuring that anything suspicious was omitted. Otherwise you would have another watergate.
gadzometer 1 year ago
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gadzometer 1 year ago
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roblesterfilms 1 year ago
I don't get it, you can clearly think. Why do you think powerfull people doing something and then pointing the finger at others is a bit far fetched.
Basically a cordinated group murded people and then blamed muslims.
sillymonkey8888 1 year ago
there were a couple companies in the months prior to 911 had done 'asbestos' cleanup work in the buildings, and that very likely was when the demolish ion work was accomplished
dickmoe99 1 year ago
Look up the word "COMPARTMENTALIZATION"! 2 planes 3 buildings fell?? Shanksville jet airliner missing? Your being to intellectual about it! Try more common sense!
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@tooltime9901
I think what's he's saying is that you are trying to dissuade people from being skeptical. And from what we know about our government's past false flags begs us to question *any* "official" story.
Personally, the tone should be that most were unknowingly complicit not conspirators. Most of the people were actors in the play. Only a few were passive directors. That's the only way for "it" to be genuine and organically play-out.
gizmo2084 1 year ago
There are never any conspiracies that long outlast the deed itself. For example, there was a conspiracy on 9/11, but it was among several young religious zealots. Or Watergate. There is also the conspiracy taking place on a one-way track between the asses and mouths of 9/11 Truthers. These are what real conspiracies look like. Any secret sustained for a substantial length of time would require as its first quality that it be shared among one person.
lee3po 1 year ago
Oh and btw for this to be an inside job all that would be needed would be Fed. Gov. involvement, the media receives info from the Gov and does not question it, as angry americans who were just attacked, we took all the info given by the press and believed it cause thats whats right and thats what the Gov said, now we find holes in the official story which is the reason there are so many fucking fence sitters....they have the real story...thats why people cannot make a conclusion dipshit.
INIuIBI 1 year ago
So you can be smart and investigate the blatant proof.
(Just an example, Pentagon was hit an hour after WTC, we have the most advanced military in the world to handle these things, what happened on that morning?)
or you can be another ignorant american, like yourself.
INIuIBI 1 year ago
Cont'd) The only people I have spoken with at length that believe the official story are a philosopher, an economist, an english major, and a guy in radio...
If you even are a philosopher, you should know that making vague claims about "the number of people needed to pull this off is so large blah blah blah..." is not a valid point for or against the claim of demolition. Empirical evidence is all that matters and there is plenty of that to lay doubt to the official story.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago 4
@OntologicalQuandary ":is not a valid point for or against the claim of demolition" and if you could actually track an argument, the point of that statement was against the idea of a small conspiracy.
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@tooltime9901,
I think what's he's saying is that you are trying to dissuade people from being skeptical. And from what we know about our government's past false flags begs us to question *any* "official" story.
Personally, the tone should be that most were unknowingly complicit not conspirators. Most of the people were actors in the play. Only a few were passive directors. That's the only way for "it" to be genuine and organically play-out.
gizmo2084 1 year ago
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@tooltime9901
I think what's he's saying is that you are trying to dissuade people from being skeptical. And from what we know about our government's past false flags begs us to question *any* "official" story.
Personally, the tone should be that most were unknowingly complicit not conspirators. Most of the people were actors in the play. Only a few were passive directors. That's the only way for "it" to be genuine and organically play-out.
gizmo2084 1 year ago
As an engineer its starting to get really damn annoying to see non-scientists like this guy make claims about which he really does not have a general understanding. He even used the phrase "philosophize about this." Lol, leave your philosophy to the worthless problems of that long dead academic field and leave the science to... scientists. Most of the scientists I know (all of them with which I have had a thorough conversation) believe wtc7 (at least) was demolished.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago 2
@OntologicalQuandary you can shove your "well I'm an engineer so I am more qualified to speak that you" up your fuck ass. i am through listening to truther appeals to authority, while they ignore the countless experts that disagree with them and dismiss them out of hand.
you offer fallacies and anecdotal testimony while mocking philosophy? LULZ
tooltime9901 1 year ago 7
@tooltime9901
Lol see, I dont care what you believe. You are a philosopher (hell not even a real one) and I am an engineer. YOU make the appeals to authority by referring to "expert testimonials". I am in no way, shape or form making an appeal to authority when I have taken the pain in the ass courses to understand why physical things happen and come to the conclusions ON MY OWN.
Your second post made little if any sense so I won't respond to it.
OntologicalQuandary 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 okay, what about the experts that disagree with those experts?
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pompousprick 4 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary "Most of the scientists I know (all of them with which I have had a thorough conversation) believe wtc7 (at least) was demolished."
LIAR!
mjh012363 1 year ago
@mjh012363
Dumbass.
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary It is really sad when a person like you is so stubbornly ignorant of reality.
mjh012363 11 months ago
@mjh012363
Um... you too?
It is fucking 2011 moron, we don't believe "radical islamists" destroyed the trade towers anymore. You have some catching up to do.
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary Um..it doesn't matter if it's 2011 or 2525 reality is still reality and radical islamists did hijack airplanes. They did crash them into WTC I and II and the Pentagon. Flight 93 did crash in PA. The bodies WERE recovered. So yeah you are the ignoramous here.
mjh012363 11 months ago
@mjh012363
man you are clearly unable to think outside the box. Why the FUCK would "radical islamists" (please quote the term since it is totally fabricated" want to take down the trade towers? If you say "because they are jealous of our freedoms" I am going to laugh my fucking ass off. What did they gain from it? NOTHING. What did financial elites gain from it? Billions (read: trillions) of dollars.
The world ONLY makes sense from this pov. And that is before even looking at the science.
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary "...man you are clearly unable to think outside the box..."
Your "box" as you call It is reality. Everything outside of that "box" is called fantasy. And yeah I refuse to entertain fantasies.
"Why the FUCK would "radical islamists" ...want to take down the trade towers?"
BECAUSE WE ARE KAUFARS YOU MORON!
"What did they gain from it?"
Um..a terrorized public.
"The world ONLY makes sense from this pov"
Who says it has to make sense?
mjh012363 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary Who are you a sanitation 'engineer'?
BizWiz2000 11 months ago
@BizWiz2000
You jealous bro?
OntologicalQuandary 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary Open your eye bro! Watch: Zbl-vMN2gzo
BizWiz2000 11 months ago
@OntologicalQuandary Really...Construction ingeneer? Demolition and explosive engeneer?? Do you have any goddamn idea how much preparation, planning and actual work it takes to rig with explosives a building the size of WTC 7???? Do you know that it is impossible to rig a building with people still working there...??!!! Without attracting attention??!!!!!! Jesus-Christ, where is everybody's common sense!!!! Come up with a valid explaination, pal. Not theories out of the fuckin blue.
caporalchef4 11 months ago
The problem with the paranoid industry is that evidence is not a virtue. 9/11 could very well be an inside job (depending on what that means), but I don't see enough evidence pointing that way to draw that conclusion.
I do find that it's "odd" that there were drills happening at the exact same time on both 9/11 and 7/7. There's definitely something rotten in the state of Denmark.
BrideAndGroomFilmsHD 1 year ago
A cover-up is easier if most people are strongly predisposed to believe your cover story. Even if one of the cleanup workers had found clear evidence, who would have believed them? We all "knew" who did it already, right?
If the state DID do something like 9/11, they'd get away with it unless there were enough people who looked carefully instead of dismissing it out of hand.
Evaluating plausibility here is more like with psychics than physics. Elaborate deception is a relevant consideration.
HebaruSan 1 year ago
Who got to you? Did Bush bust into your house and put a gun to your mom's head to force you to make this video? Answer me!
TruthAtAllCost 1 year ago
I thought it was obvious to everyone that 911 was orchestrated by reptillian extraterrestrial shapeshifters but obviously not.
Fangtorn 1 year ago
I dont know what happened to the towers. But i do know, that what footage i saw of the flying object that hit the pentagon, WAS NOT AN AIRPLANE.
Jason29n 1 year ago
Thank you! A voice of reason......can you imagine, all those "in on it" did it for what?? To go to war in Iraq??
oitsugina 1 year ago
@oitsugina 1944: U.S. State Department memo refers to Middle Eastern oil as "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history." During U.S.-British negotiations over the control of Middle Eastern oil, President Roosevelt sketches out a map of the Middle East and tells the British Ambassador, "Persian oil is yours. We share the oil of Iraq and Kuwait. As for Saudi Arabian oil, it's ours."
AnnRKey 1 year ago
The official story is completely believable and highly plausible. It doesn't mean its true. If it were a conspiracy, why would it have to be a vast conspiracy? Is that not an assumption on your part?
For me, I have evidence that the collapses of WTC 1 and 2 were not progressive collapses as described by the experts, which I would be happy to share if you are interested. And no, its not near free fall speed or squibs or "What about WTC 7?".
AnnRKey 1 year ago
To any and all 9/11 truthers: If you believe that the US government attacked it's own citizens, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? Why risk being murdered when you could move?
IamLiterallyRetarded 1 year ago
@IamLiterallyRetarded 1)I like my country.I'm not moving just because it happens to be under the control of one moron or another some of the time.
2)I think economics enters into the equation for alot of people.Have to become a citizen in where ever you're moving to,make arrangements for a place to stay.Buy Plane tickets and airfare for your family..etc.
Why do all that when I can simply work to change the corruption in question. Government isn't the problem it's the people running it.
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35 This goes beyond corruption. We are talking about murder. If you can't move, you should all be literally up in arms. BUT you are all conspiracy theorists with nothing but incredulity as your evidence.
IamLiterallyRetarded 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35 I just read your earlier post and you are not the type I was addressing. I think it's plausible that the US government knew some sort of attack was possible, I just do not think they orchestrated it. Negligence, not murder.
IamLiterallyRetarded 1 year ago
you listed all of the people who would have been in on it, except the morons like you whostill believe the official story. they (your ignorance) are the biggest part of the conspiracy after all
frogger1017 1 year ago
I don't think that anything was planned by a central organisation. I think it was simply allowed to happen, guided by influence and let be.
As for a mass of bodies covering a conspiracy? It would only take a few high ranking people to make this happen, as most everyone in America who wears a uniform obeys the flag without question.
In short, there are too many questions raised that have never been answered about that day and other days to leave it in the hands of speculative science.
Jammsbro1 1 year ago
Well I don't know about all the other fence sitters but I question the official story for this reason.Not that I doubt a group of Arab men took over the plane or that they flew them into buildings causing the buildings to fall.I just think the government had a good idea of what was going on and didn't stop it because it provided the perfect narrative to go to war.Which was what the previous administration wanted anyway.
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
bill maher said something to the effect of
we just saw two planes loaded with jet fuel crash into the WTC and you're saying "well if you think THAT is what brought those buildings down..."
maybe you should ask your doctor if Paxil is right for you....
eyehategumbo 1 year ago
I used to be a 9/11 truther. Looking back I am shocked, ashamed, and very embarrassed I could have been so mislead. The problem is their is a lot of misinformation, and twisted facts out their. So if you want to believe it you can find things that will convince you.
I still feel that some things were probably hidden. Not a conspiracy, but probably some security failures, and mistakes. That would look bad if they got out.
TheGunslingr 1 year ago
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uwmbigb 1 year ago
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You are an idiot.
norFUNKRecords76 1 year ago
Yes, lets ignore the plane smashing into the building...
FlyingSpahghettiMan 1 year ago
People are lazy, don't want to go through the pile of justification of what they believe in. And people don't want to be looked at as fanatics. Cause allot of people see people that believe conspiracy theories like fanatics.
So it's more easy to say that the original story doesn't¨t fit the picture.... wich is true.
goto666goto666 1 year ago
curiously, many critics of political conspiracy theories accept the fact that criminal conspiracies exist, and that some of them, such as the mafia, have existed for hundreds of years and spread their influence worldwide... yet relatively few people understand that in nearly every society in history the largest and most ruthless criminal enterprise has been government itself ~ some guy
ott0Kitam 1 year ago
Our gov had no fore knowledge. BUT BUSH DID use this national tragedy to pursue his own personal vendetas while allowing the true enemy to escape. Now Radical Islam is growing stronger and stronger. Lock and load boys.
Nagneto 1 year ago
To paraphrase Mark Steyn: If I really believed that my government was capable of doing something so horrific to its own people, I wouldn't be sitting about sipping a latté and ordering another '9/11 was an inside job' bumper sticker.
Every time some little twerp walks about a college campus with a 9/11 truth banner or george bush is a nazi poster they demean millions and millions of people who have had to live under REAL fascism and totalitarian, genocidal regimes.
DrunkAtheist 1 year ago
@DrunkAtheist Exactly. If I truly believed that the US government would blatantly slaughter it's citizens I'd be on the next flight out.
(Not to say that I don't think the government uses citizens as cannon fodder for the military-industrial complex, but since there is no draft the people that sign up are not being forced.)
PaulBarte 1 year ago
these conspiracy theories are a result of fear, and an inability to accept reality.
In other words it turns in to a religion.
atheistkyo 1 year ago
conspiracy theories are the duct tape of ignorance.
soulinite 1 year ago
Assuming that the "Official Story" is what happened there would be no need to confiscate videotape in the guise of national security.
If the video shows what the government claims happened then where is the national security in that?
Government: XYZ happened
Us: Can we see the video of XYZ?
Government: Errrrrrr,no you can't. National security
I'm not saying there is some mass conspiracy but there is obviously something else happening here
ViciousRanger 1 year ago 2
you dont know wtf the 911 people truthers are talkin about, but you make a video on it!!!!!!!!!!! come on dude
Maxell720 1 year ago
This video is so childish you should be dropping your courses man. Not making claims here just answering. USA had full control of many Latin American and Asian Tyrants and their terrorists just with a few groups of CIA agents. Did not need a vast conspiracy there. Saying things like " A Vast Consiracy" is more debunkable than anything a Truther could say. There are so many questions you do not ask, you should probably drop the issue. Besides who has a deep look into political backrooms?
graphattic 1 year ago
I know it seems implausible to orchestrate something so complex, which is why I don't just believe any old Alex Jones off the street who thinks they know every step of the "scheme".
But I DO know the government withheld evidence, avoided and impeded investigation, and then springboarded into civil rights violations and military action.
I just think to be this covert and obstructionist means there must be SOMETHING they swept under the rug; it may have simply been their own failures.
kreskinkun 1 year ago 11
Yeah, nice attempt to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic of a claim instead of the proponents of the opposing claims. You are trying to set up a false dichotomy, and you fail in doing so, and while you may fool your sheep subscribers, I see right through this. Even in a true dichotomy, rejection of one side does not default you into the other nor place the burden of proof on you that to provide a third alternative. Your position in this video reminds me of a dialogue Matt Dilahunty...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 9
... had on his show in which a theist caller tried to misrepresent atheism into being a positive claim that there is no god, and when Matt corrected him, the caller was dumbfounded and asked Matt how he could claim that when it's a true dichotomy and there is not other option but god or no god. Matt used the analogy where he flipped a coin and asked the theist if they believe the coin was on heads, to which he replied "no", and then Matt asked if he believed it was on tails,...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 3
...to which the theist likewise replied "no", and so Matt said "I rest my case!". Matt explained, that is a true dichotomy, it can only be either heads or tails, but just because someone doesn't believe it's heads, that does NOT default them into the position of believing it is tails, and contrary to the logic used to argue in your video, not believing the coin is on heads also does NOT place a burden of proof onto that skeptic to explain how it could not be on tails if it is not on heads. ...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 4
Same with Matt's jury analogy, just because you vote "not guilty" doesn't mean you believe the defendant is innocent, it simply means the evidence for his guilt is insufficient to convince him. It is NEVER the burden of the juror who votes "not guilty" to either prove the defendant is innocent nor(by analogy, as your video would demand) is it the burden of that juror to provide some alternative scenario where the defendant can be be neither innocent or guilty. ...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 3
Nope, the burden of proof is on the proponent of the claim, not the skeptic to that claim, just as the burden of proof is on the attorneys, not the jurors, and just as the burden of proof is on the theist, not the atheist, so also is the burden of proof on the conspiracy theorist, not the skeptic of those theories, AND, the burden on proof is on the government and the other proponents of the 'official story', NOT on the skeptics of that story. ...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 5
Just as I can reject both positions that the coin is either on heads or tails when there's insufficient evidence, even though it is a true dichotomy, likewise I can reject the position of BOTH the official story AND the meriad of conspiracy theories out there, even though that is allegedly a true dichotomy(according to YOU in your video here, which I'm not even convinced that is a true dichotomy and I think is a bit of a non-sequitur on your part), because the burden of proof is...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 3
...on the proponents of those claims, not on me. I noticed on one of your other videos a fellow asked you if the evidence was sufficient for the official story and if the same standards of evidence and skepticism that are applied to conspiracy theories are equally applied to the official story(and any variants, if any, of that), and that was a month ago and you have yet to reply. And broad stroke assertion like, I quote, "there is plenty of evidence" without...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 4
...presenting said evidence is just as bad as conspiracy theorists or the folks who claim there's more evidence for the biblical Jesus than there is for Julius Caesar, and yet never explain themselves and address the evidence there. ...
chokemychiken 1 year ago 3
So, to start bringing this to a close, your ever so subtle attempt here to shift the burden of proof makes me wonder if even you, if only just a subconscious level, notice gaps, inconsistencies, or anything else that may be wanting in your alleged full proof 'official story'. The logic behind your antics in this video makes you the atheist version of Shockofgod. I'm out.
chokemychiken 1 year ago 4
@chokemychiken Thumbs up to that. If someone feels they have some unanswered questions and want to come to some of their own conclusions, then whats to scoff at about that. Dude comes off like a smug asshole in this video.
uwmbigb 1 year ago
@chokemychiken
I have to disagree. The skeptics in this case are the ones that are making the claims and therefore they should have to back them up with evidence.
dday0881 1 year ago
@dday0881
You clearly did not read and/or did not understand what all I posted. Creationists make claims, I am skeptical of them until they are supported with sufficient evidence. Conspiracy theorists make claims. I am skeptical of them until they present sufficient evidence. The official story makes claims. I am skeptical of them until they are supported with sufficient evidence
And so on.
No claims on the part of the skeptic in any of these instances, so there's nothing which needs evidence.
chokemychiken 1 year ago
It's been almost 9 years since 9/11 happened, and the biggest thing the truthers have achieved is infiltrating Bill Maher's audience and heckling him.
Either they don't actually believe in their own conspiracy theories, or they do but don't actually care. In either case, they're hypocrites and should shut the hell up.
CodaCola 1 year ago
Here's why I question the official story: 6 of the members of the 9/11 commission have also gone on to question the official story... Thomas Kean himself stated "We to this day dont know why NORAD told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth." It should be known what policies and/or policy changes led to directly or indirectly our inability to subdue those attacks.
sleepyriggles 1 year ago 3
cont. While everyone tries to associate a dissent to the government on this matter as being a nut, there is a large number of us who want to see a new investigation begun. Too many people believe the offical story is we were attacked simply by radical muslims and don't even know why.
sleepyriggles 1 year ago 3
you remind me of that guy from Pineapple express
snow2312 1 year ago
Well I just watched September Clues and have to recommend you watch it. As insane as the missile theory was at first, this guy Simon Shack demonstrates with the 9-11 tv coverage, how videos were doctored, edited and more. septemberclues . info I am now convinced that 9-11 IS an inside job.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago 3
Vast conspiracy? You would only need 1 person on the inside to ensure
military success on this particular misson: Dick Cheney. He planned the military excersises, and had the power to intervene directly in the military response.
He could also easily justify limitations in the investigation, since the investigators
would be prone to accountability for lacking response and would therefore agree.
roxxphatcox 1 year ago 2
Tool Time in a stunning 1080p. Sweet.
rakunishu 1 year ago
If you have an answer in mind when you ask questions you loose some objectivity
indyfab916 1 year ago
Tooltime, First off just want to say i have great respect for you and greatly enjoy your videos but what gets me for the 9/11 stuff is that there was not one investigation on after the attacks. Yes groups did come out and claim this was there responsibility, but wouldn't the government want to at least search for explosive matter in the rubble? Also just want to point out i do not claim anything for this for i do not know what realy happened no one will really know.
Eric0399 1 year ago 3
we're stubborn because we're right. You are too ignorant to understand.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
divide and rule.........
SuperBandstand 1 year ago
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The most damning evidence to me is this. IF the towers were brought down by fire then the law of averages dictate that the steel would be heated up in a-symmetrical patterns. Therefore one side would get weaker before all others. And upon structural failure, the building would of course fall to the weaker side. It's like playing Jenga. If you pull out one side and there is not enough balance, the tower of pieces fall to that side. Yet all 3 WTC towers fell STRAIGHT down. No... way....
MassacreBlast 1 year ago 2
@MassacreBlast Right on! Thank u 4 posting.
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
If the planes and fire brought 3 steel buildings STRAIGHT down then what's the point of hiring a demolition team? Clearly demolition teams spend years training and months wiring buildings to fall straight down for a reason. If all it takes to bring a building straight down is causing random damage to a building and arbitrarily setting some fires then the building demolition profession is in trouble.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago 2
@MassacreBlast well for one thing, pilots might be hard to come by.
but in all seriousness, the twin towers did not fall "straight down". debris fell quite far and did a lot of damage to a lot of other buildings. that is exactly what they try to avoid in a controlled demo
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 - I thought it was a well established fact that all 3 buildings collapsed symmetrically and more or less straight down. True there was significant debris however wouldn't random damage cause a random collapse and not a symmetrical one? Common sense indicates that the buildings should have fallen to the side or twisted off and not come straight down.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
@MassacreBlast - Furthermore, debris is irrelevant to the buildings falling straight down. If a controlled demo was done on a building that had a plane crash into it and was on fire, you'd see significant debris as well.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
@MassacreBlast
" the buildings falling straight down"
you mean the way gravity pulled them?
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 - Yes, the way gravity pulled 3 buildings straight down through the path of the greatest resistance.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
@MassacreBlast
gravity is not intelligent. it does not know when it is pulling things straight down that there is other floors underneath. think about it, how should it have fallen? toppled over sideways? there was no force pushing it that way. gravity was pulling it straight down and so down it went. the whole "path of greatest resistance" thing is total BS.
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 - Okay, first you said the buildings didn't fall straight down. Now it's not an issue... Anyway. I understand gravity. When I say that the building should have fallen to the side I'm not implying that a force is pushing it over. I'm merely pointing out that if you have randomly placed fires, one side is bound to get weaker first. Just like Jenga. Pull out one side and if there's nothing holding it up, the building falls to that side. No magical force needed, just common sense.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
@MassacreBlast that's not necessarily the case. in the case of one of the tower, it did start to tip to one side before collapsing.
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 - True enough. I suppose I'll look into it more, however they did overall fall very nicely down. Put it this way, if a demolition team took buildings down of that size, I would have thought they did a good job. Of course, aside from the debris caused by the planes and fire which are aspects not present in a typical demolition.
Anyway, I hope nobody thinks I'm jumping to conclusions about 'inside job'. I just find some aspects of 9-11 hard to swallow.
MassacreBlast 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 what leads one to a conspiracy is facts that don't add up with the official report. If the government would come out and explain everything then everything would be put to rest.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 dude, dude I can't believe you upped this that whole spiel about the people filled in on the conspiracy is complete bull. It only takes a handful of people, top officials to make it look real. Like the president and a handful of other politicians. Everyone doesn't need to and would not be informed if one of the conspiracy theories is right. The ones conspiring don't want anybody else to know the truth. This is like basic knowledge.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 and so WHY did the tipped section of said building simply disintegrate in mid-air? what? WHY?
The "collapse" of three steel framed buildings on that day
constitutes an UN-NATURAL ACT! GET A CLUE PEOPLE!
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
@Charlie666XZ "simply disintegrate in mid-air"
please tell me you are joking
tooltime9901 1 year ago 6
@tooltime9901 No Joke, its for real, the people who are attempting to explain it all as if 19 suicidal Arabs caused the whole thing .... are very much like the people praising the non-existent tailor, rather than busing the emperor for INDECENT EXPOSURE ..... its a sick sad world!
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
@tooltime9901
you're dealing with people who have fried their brains. 9/11 truthers are up there on the insanity scale right next to "reptilians" sceintology and anti-semetic conspiracies. hell dig a bit you will get into that shit.
ultra-massive conspiracies always, ALWAYS fail due to the human element. it is the same reason that a utopia could never exist. both are products of the human mind and neither reflect our world.
yellowdart137 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 Does Chaotic damage = Coherent "collapse"
or? ....
Not logical Jim ... not logical at all
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 Falling stuff follows the path of least resistance,
WHY would both towers "collapse" down the middle?
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
@Charlie666XZ the path of least resistance has nothing to do with magically avoiding obstacles bellow it. gravity is not intelligent, it pulled straight down, and thus the towers fell straight down.
tooltime9901 1 year ago
@tooltime9901 May I address the issue here(?)
Does Chaotic Damage = Coherent "collapse" ?
Not Logical
Jim
Not Logical at all ....
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago
@Charlie666XZ no, "chaotic" damage lead to a cascade failure of the structure, which lead to "coherent collapse.
tooltime9901 1 year ago 2
@tooltime9901
SPACE
the final Frontier
that is the SPACE
between Human ears!
Charlie666XZ 1 year ago