StarCraft 2 - [Z] Ling Hydra - Strategy

[LightElementLord]

anyone knows a zerg stratgie that counter mass thors? mass lings+banelings?

[Beynbio]

@LightElementLord i think banelings + lings are quite a good counter with good micro

[Starwrathful]

@LightElementLord Brood Lords/Zerglings do extremely well since brood lords take extremely low damage from thors and lings waste shots just make sure to have a good spread on them or they could die to splash damage unupgraded thor air hits do only 5 damage(x4) to unupgraded brood lords (about 6.7 DPS to a unit that has 225 hp) depending on upgrades as little as 3.8 DPS or as much as 10.6 DPS you could even bring queens to transfuse running out of comment room you get it though

[LightElementLord]

@Starwrathful so a good brood lord/zergling army can fight of a mass thor? thx dude, almost forgot of the brood lords :D

[Harishimomo]

Cna mobile pore crawlers go into a nydus??

[Beynbio]

@Harishimomo nope

[RidleyPwnsU]

Hydralisks also destroy most Toss gateway units, so I think this is a good response to a 4 gate

[xxsupernova125xx]

@MrDonosoi due to scouting, he noticed that this build would work.

[MrDonosoi]

and when he get tanks=?

[HerpDerpUrp]

WHAT?! NO TOP COMMENT?!?!?!?! :OOOOO

[chrishops44]

god doesnt your throat hurt from speaking like this

[KckVirus]

Nice strategy,the only problem is,that (for example on this map)if,the terran player has some siege tanks sieged on the ( a ) cliff,that our hydras will be killed very very soon... :))

Anyway, greets from german m8,aweosme casts/strategies.. :D

[sherlockinsomniac]

this guys sounds like egon spengler from ghostbusters

[samweiss4]

this is also very good against protoss

[BlaZe941025]

i bought 2 games in my life one was gothic 2 gold edition and this is the other

[HighlanderSCV]

I like your strategy. I wish I had this game

[MrNewpants]

@HighlanderSCV you're watching sc2 strats and you don't own the game? o.O word

[Brasharful]

Hi, I'm new to SC2 and when I try things like this it works a lot but other times they have cloaked banshees n stuff : /. How can I tell if their going banshees if I cant fly my overlord into their base and if I do find out how might I counter it :D? TY.

[TheMiniCreeper]

@Brasharful Try transforming an overlord into a overseer, its a detector, it detects invisible an cloaked (Dark Templars, Banshees etc.) and I do think it spots burrowed enemies.

[qwas12348gr5]

@TheMiniCreeper

BTW, anything that detects cloacked/invisible units will also detect burrowed units.

[MrCakewasalie]

@TheMiniCreeper um yea it does.

[carsontroeh]

@Brasharful also build... spore crawlers i believe, they are detectors AND extreamly good anti air, plant a few near the entrance and sides, their range is about 6 so you dont have to make alot

[telekinovice]

if you can get up 3 base against a 1 base if you keep harassing then you can easily win with just mass hyrdralisk and keep expanding 4 base and so on

[Harishimomo]

@telekinovice hahaha also if you get 8 base against a 1 base you can easily win with just mass drone

[epikphaylle]

Whooaa big diff between 360 and 720 O.O

[20the20]

dude i hate raining on your parade, but the guy in this replay sucked ass. hellion/marine/marauder? who does that past like gold league? any toss would expose the crap out of this with zealot/collossus, and any Terran should have been scouting better - mech, or even just mass hellion, would stomp all over this. just my 2 cents

[CanicusTemburn]

@20the20 well the point here is that you will build an army large enough and fast enough to be able to stop any possible resistance. and it works perfectly if your opponent didnt immediately go for the tech that counters this build.

[neverwhere101]

@20the20 i think the point is that with was like... when the game first came out.. lol

[rocksparadox]

ForceSC2strategy Idra?

[PinkShroomz]

Hydras would be good against totalbiscuit

[Tigerlord13]

Terran player should've wiped out the extractor.

[shadowsong12345]

i seen that fake hydra is a custom game xD

[weide1994]

@Darl1n1 before you spawn first mutalisk your base is "boom" up by siege tank already...

[weide1994]

siege tank(siege mode) can blast your hydralisks to PIECES!!!

[Darl1n1]

@weide1994 then they get mutas

[rkari120]

@weide1994 Which is what he says in his video description, genius.

[Sachems49]

@weide1994 lol ur a bronze fool

[mariusthaman]

Has anything by zerg been nerfed to determinate the powerful effect of this strategy? Like have the hydras been nerfed or anything?

[rjlas7]

Need more idralisks :P

[1point61803]

That 400 mineral ling army totally defeated a 800 mineral 200 gas bioball as they were trying to escape... and Idra claims Terran is OP...

[PinkShroomz]

@1point61803 STFU

[MrRobotor]

man lool idra should have done your 5 pool 7 lings 10 overlord the rush would have worked

[PAWNED71]

@dagunator you change ur build...

Builds don't EVER stay the same u need to transition probably to corruptors and broods

[dagunator]

what shall you do if the terran player waits instead of attacking the expansion and goes for eg. tanks and marines, that happens often to me in 1v1 against terran, if I push early, I can't do anything because of the ramp blocked, but if I wait to have something like in this video, the terran player always blasts all my units with his tanks....

[dagunator]

he did actually scout first while the pool was still making and saw the extractor lol

[llMagic123]

awsome :D i starting with Zerg now :3!

Zerg rush Zerg Rush ekekekekekeke :D

[DJIncorporated]

Nice video Force, gotta love Zerg <3.

[goolarg]

Idra is aka the rage master!

[Tekedlen]

Hmm, would it be possible to build up the Hydra den fast and then rush with the hydras? :)

[sumokev]

Thanks for making this

[OoJUGG3RN4UToO]

I <3 you. No Homo.

[omfgitzalex]

hey FORCE how do i counter early terran attacks consisting of ruaders and marines as a zerg player.?? they rush me so early i only got a few zerglings up.

[SatanicDoeist]

whats terran response to mass hYdra? sorry bout noob ques

[TheDorian66]

@SatanicDoeist

Terran mech kills hydras.

[Telanhzan]

@SatanicDoeist Siegetanks. Lots.Of.Siegetanks..

[Fax5862]

complete and full game of SC II /Lnkgt. C0M/4Ep

[snowball441]

what does sacurated mean?

[Bankaroony]

@snowball441 saturated* is when an expansion hast the correct amount of workers to be mining efficiently. Over saturated = Too much, Fully saturated = Just right

[Minatour94]

What if they build siege tanks?

[SwissDonutFactory]

@Minatour94 if u scout them u should answer them with some mutalisks. thats exactly why you put some overlords at his base. and u should scout from time to time if u dont see anything coming for a while from ur opponent. :)

[ltsjack]

Does this work equally well against protoss?

[richard2mitchell]

this is not the real idra

1 he GG

and 2 he didnt try to get a 200 army

[Farron1970]

Hey can someone tell me what means expand to natural? I know is not in this clip but just remember the question, help please :)

[FreeZey78]

@Farron1970 I’m not a 100% on this but my understanding is that it means “expand to create a second base at the most natural (as in logical) location” since on most maps you can tell which mineral field is closest and going to be easiest to protect from your main base.

[ZephyronWar]

this video should be in a museum or something.. a video of idra not raging!! :O

[tominatorrix]

this is not idra!, he never goes for a hatchery build like that he always expands at like 16 or something

[FuriKuriKun]

man i wish the spine crawler could burrow must faster. IMO its animation is way too long/slow

[Nisshoku1729]

When does he build his ovies?

[MrNoNaMe1107]

what is the damage of the hydralisk??

[caligitza]

I guess if you KNOW he has no siege tanks this would work - I suppose Idra felt that he would stick with heavy infantry/helion the entire game. Even with an early gas denial - it would not have stopped a couple tanks from being put out on the field by the time hydras moved in. Very strange replay - I wouldn't count it as go-to strategy vs terran though.

[SarkFaLL]

@caligitza If they get siege tanks hydras will keep you alive until you get to ultralisks, and ultralisks handle tanks well.

[Brionkendo]

I've noticed something i fail at as zerg is keeping my bases heavily saturated. (from building spine crawlers and what not) is there a good way to make sure your producing drones at the right times? should i constantly be producing small amounts of drones?

[CeloxUmbra]

So what if he has siege tanks, what then?

[TheAKimboJack]

I've never thought of dropping an extractor in their base before, I'll take note of that

[Filo011]

is that really idra?]

[Jonnywow55]

eye-dra, not idd-ra >_<

[Shruken18]

@Jonnywow55 It's Idd-ra, he said it himself.

[TobbzSC]

@Shruken18 some people say ai-dra

[lundell100]

@Jonnywow55

,,,who cares?

And Day9 says Idd-ra.

[MrJoobledoo]

this is something that has been confusing me for some time- is an extractor fully saturated with two or three harvesters?

[Daemonicguylol]

@MrJoobledoo It's 3 ^_^ same with a mineral deposit.

Thank you Starcraft II loading screen tips :D

[Daxi2005]

@MrJoobledoo Three is the magic number.

[RMNornes]

@MrJoobledoo 3

[WTFkcattAkcaJ]

@MrJoobledoo three, confused me too for a time as it seems like one is just sitting there haha, if you just highlight one you can see that it is in fact extracting, just layering on top of the other model of the other drone

[AsIWearsPrada]

@GAPerez49 mutas/guardians

[aznplucky]

i always thought it was eye-dra, as in "hydra" without the "h".

[GAPerez49]

What would a Zerg player do if the opponent indeed seiges up with tanks?

[dakkon10]

@GAPerez49 Mutalisk?

[GAPerez49]

@dakkon10 good idea, thanks

[dou0022]

Can anyone tell me why it is necessary to have two extractors for one base? I always have one and people tell me off for it lol...does it make gathering vespene more productive or something?

[speedysavant]

@dou0022 doubles your gas production, provided that they're both saturated with workers.

[Weazelon]

awesome

[xiAresx]

its idra not eedra lol

[BlackRain243]

@xiAresx u mean eyedra...idra is the correct pronunciation, but everyone calls him eyedra cuz it sounds better

[MrCry1ngReaper]

What should you do if they tech up to siege by then?

[CDMac09]

Hey ForceSC2strategy, i love the channel cos u update ur vids so much! keep it up, im learning heaps. =]

[seltzinator]

Hey as Zerg I have a lot of trouble with protoss if they survive more than the first few minutes. I'd love to see how zerg deals with a mixed zealot/stalker/sentry force.

The protoss units seem to complement each other so well that I can't seem to find a chink in the armor unless he has poor micro and lets me pick him apart. Even then, if he survives to get void rays or carriers, its peace out. Zerg seems to have no answer for carriers, but luckily most games don't get there.

[0urher0nik0]

@seltzinator Corruptors and using the corruption ability do a lot of damage to carries. but if you don't have a spire when you see those carries it will be hard :p

[muhh5]

Going Hydras Vs terran is just retarded :) any decent good terran will scout it and go siege tanks which is pretty much GG for your hydras. Also hydras are horribly imobile and actualyl work much better VS toss

[Annex69]

wats some gd hydra counters? as toss or teran!?

[NoClueRandall]

@Annex69 seige tanks from terran will rape hydras in the ass and for toss collosi

[xiAresx]

@Annex69 coll. for protoss and tanks in siege mode do well vs hydras.

[xiAresx]

@Annex69 also HT's are awesome vs hydras

[PaperDoopliss]

I miss the full view too... :(

[Psyfe]

I miss everyone view :(

[MrGlen2742]

i just tried this and the ter in fact did get some seige tanks yep was basically gg for me from there. since he also had a start port. im just a bronze player and still learning but when this does not even work on bronze players im a little let down. so far only thing that has really worked that i tried here was the cheese 6 pool or roach rush. =/

[MrGlen2742]

@MrGlen2742 i really do like these videos though

[aelynir]

what would've happened if the terran put a tech lab on his factory after the hellion harass then brought a seige tank with him for that sizable push? it seems like he would've had enough time if he did it immediately, then he would've just needed to seige on those spine crawlers while keeping the lings at bay.

since this seems like a normal plan (it's what i would do as terran), does this build account for a tank switch, and if so how would the build be altered at that point?

[Taurenspoon]

Fake idra, he would never GG a terran xD

[TheWargasmic]

@Taurenspoon

he ggs koreans though. very disrespectful for foreign and usa players lol.

[UponGiantsShoulders]

@Taurenspoon Naw thats only when he looses.

[zw1727]

keep up the good work! Your guides are really really helpful :)

[MusicHero24]

why does the build order show 2 hyrdalisk den?

[ForceSC2strategy]

@MusicHero24

One for backup...you know...just in case..... *Runs off to edit video*

[MrDohmah]

@ForceSC2strategy haha.. :D

[SmiIe51]

@ForceSC2strategy

are these matches not from the ladder? The zerg is green, in 1v1 its always blue and red. I want to play as green :(

[MrDEVILMAN15]

@ForceSC2strategy hehehe thats preety funny lol

[PortoPride2]

@ForceSC2strategy lol epic reply

[PewLaz0rZ]

@MusicHero24 sure one is good but 2 now thats something

[epikphaylle]

@MusicHero24 upgrades :P

[Ehmish]

I would very much klike to see videos of YOU 1v1ing, I just feel like us learning by the teacher would be best.

Please consider it!

[visualkei72]

one more thing to add:

the Terran player didn't deny scouting from the overlord either.. it probably would've been more effective if he just threw down a nydus worm in the corner of T's base considering he doesn't kill overlords who like to sit in his face and watch EVERYTHING.

half of the battle is not letting your opponent know what's coming. you can do that 3 ways:

- deny the early scout

- get detection buildings/units to snipe air scouters

- don't send your tech unit out too early

[visualkei72]

i thought the Terran's hellion harass was good aside from the fact he lost all of them. he took out about 7 or 8 drones.

but he should've pushed out with marines as well.. that expansion would've been done. the Zerg player didn't even scout enough to see if Terran was going for a small bioball, which would've secured a quick win.

[mikoal]

i tyhougth hydtas suck against terran, wouldnt they go tanks as well?

[russellk0431]

@mikoal No Hydras are extremely effective against Terran. They are deadly against all their infantry units and they have especially long range. Siege tanks can dispose of them easy because their range is a lot bigger, and they hve splash damage on mass hydras.

[mikoal]

@russellk0431 yea i would auto think they would go tanks.........

helions

then tanks and MMM

[Unclekreepy]

all the terran needed was medivacs and that was a win ... he sucks

[kaine180]

i love my cat

[itskunio]

i have 1 question..how is idra able to keep expanding the creep w/ creep tumors while always keeping up the additional larvae on the expo? does he have 3 queens instead of 2? (i only saw two)

[neurallydegenerated]

@itskunio Creep tumors themselves can spawn more.

[TheCandyManwithCandy]

@itskunio You only need to cast one creep tumor for that, then each creep tumor can spawn an additional one at the edge of the creep. So maybe he skipped one spawn larvae to get the creep tumor down.

[TorkahPC]

(38) Hydralisk Den

(36) Hydralisk Den

I think something's wrong here, lol.

[Unclekreepy]

zerg sucks balls ... ive won like 8 games in a row with terran ... cant even win more than a couple with zerg

[neurallydegenerated]

@Unclekreepy I lol at you.

[esgoatno78]

@Unclekreepy That means you can't play with them, not that they suck. ;)

[cesarerich]

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[Detent18]

I really wanted this strat. I just love hydra's. They counter a lot of units.

[ManusCelerDei]

@Detent18 i love how they just rape gateway units

[wannabritish]

@Detent18 and they fall to alot of units also lol