Coup De Groin from ARMA (sword fight)

[wjones837]

Whatever works LOL

[CrimsonEmpire]

LOL!!! Way to give it your all at least. Great video!

[Quigleydownunder]

That guy must be Floyd Mayweather...

[HundKaiser]

practical, but a dick move nonetheless

[RealKushProductions]

Hahahahahahahahaha

[Tint301]

That's probably how more sword fights ended historically than many people would care to admit.

[Ssalamanderr]

This guy plays to win.

[Entheobotany]

This is a great usage of striking to the groin. Despite what some people think about "chivalric" combat (read: reenactment tards), testicles are an inviting target in actual fighting. Attacks to the groin show up numerous times in the fight-books and in contemporary martial arts as well (Krav comes to mind), simply because they are effective and consistently bring down unarmored enemies.

[FoolingWithFuhlen]

@Entheobotany not to mention the copious amounts of groin armor used in history. It was obviously a valid target :P

[Entheobotany]

@FoolingWithFuhlen Oh definitely, considering this video clearly depicts fighting in harness. It's not like ringen or blossfechten sections of manuals ever depict groin striking. Nope. Not all.

[FoolingWithFuhlen]

@Entheobotany brother I dont see what you're trying to say. I'm agreeing with you :P

I dont really understand your sarcasm (?). I was simply adding to your statement. I know this isnt harnisfechten. I hope I'm just misubderstanding you, cuz I think we agree on this topic

[Entheobotany]

@FoolingWithFuhlen I was understanding your statement to mean that armor always protected against groin striking, and therefore was not used. But now I think I must of misunderstood what you wrote. I apologize for the sarcasm.

[FoolingWithFuhlen]

@Entheobotany ah I didnt word it too well. I meant that the existance of groin armor is evidence that they thought it was worth protecting because it was a valid target. The same way how, often, a helmet would be the only piece of armor a poorer soldier would have. That would be proof that the head was not only a valid target, but a primary target.

No worries about the misunderstanding. Imagine how many medieval and renaissance duels were started because of misunderstandings? ;) lol

[OenghusLok]

You were talking about cutting my throat scum bag, and I'll stuff my MA up your ass while I'm at it. Pussy.

[OenghusLok]

Why don't you try it? If in your group this is common practice? I'd say kick me in the nuts and all bets are off, .... We in Wuffingas fight full contact live rebatted steel. Grappling, throwing, all legal. We don't allow nut shots. Kick me in the balls you lilly livered mother fucker and I will pay you back in full.

Robert P. Shyan-Norwalt

11571 West US Highway 40

Cambridge City IN 47327.

Anytime, you wanna prove how tough a bitch you are, just come on over. 

[SwatShinsengumi]

@OenghusLok Sorry, I don't make it a point to spend money on a trip to meet morons when I can go across the street and see them for free.

Seriously though, did you just honestly post your address on here? Not wise, dude.

[Treifla]

@OenghusLok congrats dude, you just made yourself a target of anonymous by posted your adress like this on the internet.

good chances are the didn't notice or even care, but it's still a pretty stupid thing to do.

[ForTheEmperorsOwn]

@OenghusLok shut up, psychology 101 says that all that stuff you just said, is equal to a peacock strutting his feathers about, its just male posturing bullshit and theres no need for it.

[Makrond]

@OenghusLok So how often does your ego get in the way and end up with you getting a broken arm because you wouldn't tap? How often do you get other people hurt because you were fighting to win, when you should have just been sparring? Martial arts schools hate posturing idiots like you because you're always the first to get injured or injure others. Grow up, and stop taking the internet so seriously.

[AngelsArmour]

John Clements has kick the 10 people who dislike this in the groin.

[RSJohn45]

lmao at the end,,,goin in for this kill...or surprise buttsex

[SSSsyto]

it is true though a kick to the groin in a way is no different then hitting a pressure point or hitting someone in the throat if its life or death you can worry about honor if your alive not dead^^

[taitungknight]

LOL, I'd love to see that at the Olympics, ha ha!

[nivarion]

For History!

Now where's the left one?

[OenghusLok]

I would get up and beat that son of a bitch within a half inch of his life.

[SwatShinsengumi]

@OenghusLok Before, or after he stabbed you and kicked your throat in?

[lebarosky]

and that is what the rapier was all about.

[jaygmui]

that was pro

[nasurdan]

LOL, well he asked for it grabbing a man sword like that.

[DrGreenThumbs1]

Ever heard of a ro-sham-boe!?

[Salisaad]

Call it bargain vasectomy.

[strayjay]

Well, ARMA is supposed ot be all about recreating and reviving WMA... and WMA is all about beating the other guy, because if you lose, you die. So... yeah, well done. hahahaha.

[OenghusLok]

@strayjay Then why not get up and bite the mother fuckers ear off, poke his eyeballs out, and cut off his head? Stupid move, and the bastard would pay dearly if it was me.

[Ranziel1]

@OenghusLok In a real fight he'd follow up with a stab and you'd be dead. Groin kick is not something you can easily shrug off.

[strayjay]

@OenghusLok well, if you could just do that to a guy with a sword... we wouldn't need swords, would we? And if you got kicked in the balls and went down like this fellow, your opponent probably wouldn't kindly walk away. He would probably stab you a couple times and make sure you were dead. I think we can assume that this tactic is part of a true system of defence, not something that would be used in a gentleman's conflict or a sporting match.

[OenghusLok]

@strayjay Don't be a smart ass. It is NOT part of a true system of anything, and if you TRY and kick me in the ball I will ring your mother fucking neck.

[strayjay]

@OenghusLok hahahaha... wow. Angry and tough. What a catch you are.

[jabbernaut]

@OenghusLok

It's common to practice both kicking and punching between the legs in many martial arts. Karate, Krav Maga etc, just about any style with a martial origin.

And at full force you will be incapacitated and certainly not be wringing any necks. FFS, just look at MMA players getting nutted when wearing a cup; they go straight down.

[SwatShinsengumi]

@OenghusLok

Ummm....yes. It is. In any form of combat, or "Martial Arts", groin kicks are a striking point for real fights. Even with something as "common" as Kenjutsu noawadays, it's one of the nine striking points. Real fights are about taking your opponent out in anyway possible. Even the Shaolin Monks have attacks that focus on attacking the groin. You want to play? Join Wrestling or MMA. You want to survive? Train like you actually have the intent to kill someone.

[SilenceMetal09]

well.... that was unexpecting. lol XD

[L0CUTUSB0RG]

I not fair play, guys!

I dont know the rures in ARMA duels, but it is not a fencing technic, is a contraceptive metod, XD

[Soriichi]

holy shit no wonder they had there hands out like that, i was wondering wtf i've never seen that fencing form

[zan5k1]

@Soriichi it's rapier fencing. The off hand his held in front as it is used to parry.

[Rimpianto]

@zan5k1 Strange that often you can read the opposite, but i'm sure that Ridolfo Capoferro was an idiot.

[RAVExMAN1]

EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!

[KVergara]

um...

was that...supposed to happen...?

[HarlokTheSpacePirate]

Отличный пример того, как надо действовать в боевой ситуации!

[TheOriginalEntz]

Always wear a cup dammit ! That is the rule. No follow rule - get hurt.

[PupilofLiechtenauer]

Yarbols,

I must admit, people who act like they know something, when they know nothing annoy me.

The fact is, kicking and grabbing is not, and never was taboo in any form of combat, not even in rapier.

One must do whatever is needed to survive a violent confrontation, if that means a swift kick to the family jewels or grabbing one's opponent's blade, then so be it.

[PupilofLiechtenauer]

SwordandBuckler,

Respectfully, I must mention John Clements lives in Georgia, but I do believe he is from Texas.

[SwordAndBuckler]

Thanks for the info. I've read about his houston classes but I guess it never really sank in that he used to live there.

[PupilofLiechtenauer]

SwordAndBuckler,

Your welcome! :-)

[Cuddleskillsuall]

Im a member of ARMA and trust me, we dont do the cheesie movie shit. All the stuff you see in the movies is bullshit. We studie swordfighting through actual medieval records recording back as far as the 1400s

[AgnotTheOdd]

Regardless of what you study, if you had an easy opportunity to kick your opponent in the groin, it would be good to go for it.

[000majorwinters000]

I agree with all that's been said... as long as you're wearing a cup.

[foosless]

I can tell their european, all he did was kick him in the shin and he fell down crying, fuckin brits. its a sword fight and u quit cuz u get kicked in the shin

[MattABryant]

It was actually a kick in the nuts.Thus the title: "coup de groin"

[AgnotTheOdd]

even a kick to the shin hurts like hell, in addition to the fact that afterward you can hardly put weight on it. I can't blame the poor fellow.

[SwordAndBuckler]

Umm...I'm pretty sure they're both from the US. John Clements, the man on the left who did the kicking is from Georgia, although I'm not sure who the other guy is. The title of one of the other videos calls him Matt H.

[Tamar1973]

Isn't that cheating?!

[rithban]

Uhm... no.

[IEatCray0ns]

MONEY SHOT

[Lennyfa]

Here we see the Western version of the Scrotum Tsuke. (search for it)

[shayanmirza]

Haha just goes to show, all the finesse in the world may still give way to a kick in the jewels once in a while.

[th3boy75]

thats why they invented the cup. the best thing to wear if you are going to be talking smack about people.

[ShadowofTrout]

Like was posted before, that close a nice quick pommel strike is all you need.

[SwordAndBuckler]

You also have to realize these guys are rather tired. The ARMA website has at least eight other videos of these guys dueling. There were most likely many more they never posted. This and the other videos are from the '99 UK sword trig made by several members of ARMA.

[Dardencia]

Yah. In Martial arts, there is a common rule. If you do not want to grapple, you keep your opponent at a distance from you. These people didn't have to go to grappling, They just rushed in like morons, and obviously never practiced footwork. Getting in close like that while both are armed is suicide. One slip, and his arm's free, you're dead. Getting this close to a man with a blade is complete idiocy.

[SwordAndBuckler]

Of course you'll also notice that they're using rapiers which don't have enough of an edge to really make a good draw cut so therefore if you advance past his point you've pretty much neutralized his weapons threat, what makes this even more effective is if you make a passing step like he did and bring your own weapon back to keep the point in line. Of course if your sword is neutralized you then use whatever weapons you have left, a dagger etc, in this case his foot.

[Fliq101090]

So then wouldn't it make sense for the fighter on the left to retreat as the opponent made at least 2 failed attempts to grab at his sword? I can see at least two spots during the fighter on the right's attack left him extremely vulnerable to the point of the left combatant's sword tip. Maybe it was just too fast in the moment, but I don't really see cunning in engaging in grappling at that point in time... At least not while the person you're attempting to engage is fully balanced...

[Dardencia]

Yeah, that's exactly what I saw. But I guess that kick shows that the opponent on the right made a mistake, anyway.

[DUIRduje]

when you come closer to opponent with sword, his sword is less lethal (punch with cross, pommel...)

[Manajuice]

Ever tried to stab someone with a 2 1/2 foot sword when he's three inches infront of you? Martial Arts are full of get-in-close maneuvers and their essential to a well-rounded combatant.

[Kiltmaster]

Inelegant, but effective.

Hell, it made me laugh.

[sdr24]

Sure.

Plenty of time to "kill him" if you don't care about your own safety. Sport fencers (even the best ones) are waay too reckless for real lethal weapons. In a real fight, you just have to be more careful.

[Maerokane]

I agree with the comment on learning grappling, but in this video, the lack of sword play is notable. There was ample time and opprotunities to simply "kill" him before he closed. "Bouncing" in a fight is a poor substitute for proper body machanics. It takes all of your mobility away and gives your opponent a chance to make use of an opening that the shift of balance gives him. Poor form. The kick was good though, and it put him in his place, on the ground, where he belongs.

[MacUladh]

If you are learning swordsmanship and you are not learning grappling and throws you are not training for a real sword fight. You are playing a fencing SPORT. The manuals before 1700,even rapier manuals, teach grappling and throws.

[wulfheard]

Its not the grappling and kicking that bugs me. Its the lack of blade engagement and the poke in hope tactics that are more troubling.

[swordnerd108]

Just kind of curious why he was using a left lead stance when is is right-handed.

[wulfheard]

Poor form

[cudgelritter]

so he could use his left hand to defend himself and keep his rapier from geting tied up in defense.

[Rynwald]

Hiddenronin, the rapier was not intended to be a battle field weapon. Rapiers came into use as a side arm for the civilian class, for personal defense.

During their use battle fields were dominated by pikes, primitive fire arms, and cutting swords, rather than thrusting swords.

[raidenvssolidsnak]

All is fair in love and war.

[Yarbols]

that is not fencing, for a rapier or any other weapon... if that were me I'd be embarrased.

[BigDummy23]

If you ever fenced against a competent WMA fencer you would be more than embrassed.

[Hiddenronin]

Then youve obviously never fenced before. The type of fencing seen today in the olympics is a far cry from the style used on the battlefield. They may only move forward and back for a start. In a real fight, meaning you loose, you die, a soldier would not hesitate to kick, bite, pinch or use any other method to survive.

[effigytormented]

Rapiers aren't used for battlefield combat. They are a strictly civilian weapon. Please note.

[BrokenCompass2]

They are still deadly weapons...

[tsubasaISfun]

funny though

[shavadavadava]

so not right XD

[Kiema43]

thats rapier for ya, grab and stab and kick if hes open ^_^

[Yarbols]

no... understand that rapier is not a kick and grab fest... that's just what so many people who think they're rapierists do. it's a misrepresentation based on the lack of credible maestri and inaccurate recreationism. some who study this weapon are subtle and nuanced and not barbarians

[BigDummy23]

what a crock

[BigDummy23]

Yarbols, you are an idiot. Do you think people fighting for their lives would hesitate to kick or grab a weapon? Have you ever actually looked at a period fencing manual?

Imbecile.

[vexillifer]

BigDummy, you're a dummy indeed. I totally agree with Yarbols - fencers, especially those fighting for their lives, would not normally resort to kicking if they still had a weapon in their hands. A blade is far more lethal than feet.

[TOL1488]

If your blade is tied up in stopping theirs... you do as needed.

[kultur2k8]

More lethal? I never would have guessed. You fail to grasp that this isn't sport fencing. The kicking and grappling isn't to kill your opponent (usually), its to keep him from killing you. Only a suicidal moron would place priority on killing rather than leaving the fight alive.

[Erik1495]

@Kiema43 how is this type of sword called?