The single-bullet theory is defensible if and only if the three F.B.I. reports (November 26, December 9 and January 13) are completely WRONG on their statements of the autopsy. Why? Because these three reports all state that the first bullet did not go completely through Kennedy and therefore it could not have gone on to hit Connally, who was seated in front of Kennedy.
Bob, I also like your work. Have you ever considered the possibility that the shots came from the 2'nd or 3'rd floor of The Texas School Book Depository and the Grassy Knoll with no one shooting from the 6'th floor? Victoria Adams testified that the shots came from below her and she was on the 4'th floor. The Girl On The Stairs is a really good book on the assassination and the way she was treated.
An EXIT wound in the front of the neck that looked as neat as it did before the trach. by Dallas doctors? No blood or tissue spewing forth from that wound at the moment of impact from the back going foreward to the front of his neck? A neat "little hole" makes for an exit wound?
A final comment. Jim Braden you note was the only felon arrested at Dealy Plaza. He was at Dal-Tex. However, "felon" is not akin to "trained assassin." He was a burglar, an embezzler. What better time to steal when most office workers are out? Even so, he was caught. More to the point, there is no evidence this guy was a marksman of any note. Which he presumably would have had to be if tasked to shoot Kennedy.
CE 399. The best you have here is the chain of custody. True, the work here was sloppy. But a) the bullet was matched to the rifle, which was seen firing bullets, which was matched to the trajectory (your interpretations notwithstanding). And b) supposing a "plant," how would the conspirators know they'd need a flattened bullet to match the wounds? That only small fragments would be lost? And wouldn't people question a relatively intact bullet? Doesn't add up.
The D-T was a crowded office building. People were hanging out the windows, on the escapes. Gun shots from there would have been soon. Further, NOT A SINGLE PERSON reported seeing shots fired from there. Still further NO WEAPONS, NO SHELLS were found there. Why was Braden there? Why were thousands there that day? The onus is on you to establish the connection through evidence, not conjecture. We have Oswald, tons of evidence links him. None links Braden.
The trajectory of the bullet. By lowering the wound, you suggest a different source. But the diagram you show has JFK sitting erect when he in fact seems to be sitting slightly slumped forward. This has the effect of deepening the angle as opposed to your shallow angle.
But your analysis collapses with the Braden id. How could do a shot have been fired from D-T with NONE of the people there on the fire escape noticing? Indeed, this was not a warehouse with empty floors, like the TSDB
Your comments about the placing of the back wound are not accurate. The government "didn't pressure" Hume etc to move the wound, they TESTIFIED, inaccurately, as to the location of that wound. The correct location WAS as you note, in the autopsy report which is in the WC. The handling of the autopsy by the WC has been justifiably criticized, but later investigations had access to the photos and xrays, and have confirmed the essential WC findings.
I don't agree with your conclusions, but I admire your intellectual honesty in recognizing that JFK and Connally HAD to have been hit by the same bullet. Some comments - you've used the HSCA limo diagram several times, but I question its accuracy - it looks more schematic - indeed, it seems the human figures are scaled down. Further, while it is true the WC did their tests to confirm the TSBD as a source for the SB, the HSCA and Myers did not.
The one question I've had in all of this over the years is that the Parkland doctors said the throat wound was basically about the size of a pencil eraser,and they obliterated it giving JFK a trach.If the throat wound WAS an exit,it would have been beveled out,especially if it was "wobbling" as been theorised I would think.It's the same reason I don't believe the head shot is from the front.
Thanks Bob, I still feel the exploding head wound came from the front. but what you have put forward confirms by suspicion that Oswald was framed, and the real asassin got away, or assasins if the frontal shot which exploded the head is also (in my mind irrefutable) considered. Wonder what kind of life Lee Oswald would have had, if he just would have run from Guy Bannister...Ha Ha, your observation of the others aspects are very welcome
The first shot aka the 'dud' that Josiah Thomson theorised in '6 seconds in Dallas'. He hypothesised that Oswald's was using miltary surlpus ammuntion and could have been a misfire. People mistook this sound as a firecracker. Had enough velocity to penetrate JFK' s back but not by much.
First shot is a misfire, hits him in the back and works it s way out later. (Ex. 399)
Second shot hits his head, fragments into two main pieces - one hits Connally in the back and travels through to the thigh. Another hits him in the wrist. Other fragments crack the inside front windshield and one ricochet's back hitting him in the throat (pre-tracheotemy wound doctors witnessed
Third shot misses the car as it rounds the bend, hits the road, fragments chips the kerb causing Tague's wound
Hi Bob, I just want to point out a few small discrepancies, in Zapruder frame 253, where Kennedy is clutching at his chest after the neck shot. Look at his head & you'll notice the "deformation" you talk about in your other film is really only the way that the wind had blown his hair, the fatal head shot had not yet occurred.
your awsome. now i wish you figured out where the head shot came from and firugre out the bullet that missed and that hit a near by pedestrian cutting the pedestrins cheek that disapeared from goverment arcives. if you could figure facts out such as this please let me knwo i am doing a school report o it all
We all know that we'll never know for sure. But you either know that the gov is a bunch of murderers, and that you're life isn't worth anything, or you live in fantasy land.
bobharris77 what do you think of the William Greer scenario? It's about the driver shooting Kennedy. @ 3:22 you could see that if the driver were shot from the front seat it might explain the 22 degree angle.
good info here for people new to the investigation but i dont belive that shot could have hit both men,the govoner is clearly holding his hat after jfk has been hit.shattering the bone in his wrist there is no way he could have been able to hold it.i think jfk was hit from t.s.b.d,i do agree that someone was in the daltex building.and this is where i think the govoner was hit from,as for nameing suspects anyone new to the investigation i suggest you look up the name william wallace.
HEY BOB keep the vids coming, I saw a video either in here on youtube or over on google video where they showed a news conference with the doctors who treated gov Connelly they said there was a bullet still in Connelly leg this was after 399 had been found, the real magic bullet maybe?
Hi Bob, I just want to point out a few small discrepancies, in Zapruder frame 253, where Kennedy is clutching at his chest after the neck shot. Look at his head & you'll notice the "deformation" you talk about in your other film is really only the way that the wind had blown his hair, the fatal head shot had not yet occurred.
Because at least one shot probably did come from the depository. And because one high powered rifle shot was fired from the Daltex. The two positions were actually, very close to each other and it was impossible for witnesses to differentiate.
What about the grassy knoll? I'm not sure if it was the Zapruder film, but there was footage of people running towards there, or police officers inspecting that area. Don't you think some shots were fired from there?
You've done a lot of good work on this assassination Bob,But as Kennedys Head moves forward,before jerking back,with the spray going up & forward,points to shot from behind,not the front; but both men were hit at same time with the neck shot,& Dale Myers having them too close,does'nt change this fact,-maybe the bullet travelled up a fraction after entering kennedy's back;I would also disregard witnesses & trust Zapruders film;I think Dale Myers got it right!
Like your work Bob..What about the first shot that hit the curb, If Oswald is firing, he missed Kennedy by alot because that shot was about 6 seconds befor the last shot, so Kennedy would have been closer to Oswald making the angle steeper and yet the bullet hit the curb at an angle way less steep than what it should have been.
Thanks whatdidulearn. The first shot didn't strike the curb on Main, as Gerald Posner suggested or any other curb. It struck the pavement to JFK's right.
The lead frag that struck the curbing was from a shot that was fired later. I explain that in my video on the shot at frame 285.
That particular shot, almost certainly, came from the the third floor of the Daltex building, as did the SBT shot, which I talked about in this video.
Ya thanks Bob, I guess what I was trying to get at was, Arlen Spector's theory is the first shot missed, and struck the curb, that's the "official" version. Where exactly was JFK when that shot supposedly hit the curb? I would believe the shot wasn't even close to striking him. So if we could draw a line from the sixth floor to that spot on the curb, where would JFK be at that time? His theory becomes more unbelievable the more you drill down to find the truth.
thank you for this video, it has really helped me with my history GCSE project on JFK's assassination! ive watched it a million times so thank you!!!!!!
Bob have you seen the TMWKK videos from the 2003 either smokinggun or guilty men segments where the supervisor at Ford in Dearborn Michigan went to workthe morning ofthe 25th tofind the limo there with a bullet hole through and through the windshield from front to back
I think thatis partly why you see
Kellermans left handgo near his facefrom glass coming into him. Maybe Ill catch you on Wim's forum soon
The Parkland doctors described the wound in the neck as being from 3-5 millimeters in diameter, which corresponds to 1/8 to 1/5 inches. That is too small to be an entrance wound from a .22 rifle much less an exit wound.
some of the animated videos have been set up to put all the characters in the positions to make the single bullet theory work,have you seen the bullet supposedly found at parkland hospital?thier is no way that bullet went through two people,no way on this earth.bullets arnt designed like that.
It seems strange to me that the whole Daltex building argument is based on the fact that Governor Connally was, in your opinion, sitting in an "unusual position" and if you reposition him to where you THINK he would be sitting you get a different outcome. This video hasnt convinced me of a conspiracy.
Now i have to say that, despite always being intrigued by the case, i have only recently become engrossed in it so im not having a go, im just interested and trying to learn more :)
visiblyclear08 I placed Connally squarely in the center of his seat. The "unusual position" was what the HSCA came up with, in an effort to force the angles to point to Oswald.
The vertical angle is even more conclusive. A trajectory from the alleged SN is too steep to be consistent with the known wound locations.
And then calculate the odds that the trajectory pointed to a thug who just coincidentally was at the same mafia hotel with Ruby the night before.
Ah right, i thought that was a position you came up with.
I have to agree with the vertical angle; as a relative newcomer to studying this, one thing i've always thought is how unlikely/impossible the vertical angle is. I know Governor Connally's seat in the car was lower but it would surely have to be a lot lower for that 6th floor trajectory to be correct??
Bob I feel that you are the most credible when it comes to this case, what do you think of the back wound story of it being shallow and only a couple of inches deep...
Migo, sorry to take so long. I didn't see your message before.
That's not impossible but if the throat wound was of entry, where did that bullet go?
I think one bullet passed both men mainly because they were hit simultaneously, and because that trajectory points directly back to the third floor of the Daltex.
I agree with this idea. It makes perfect sense. The connections to Ferrie, the angles. I also think that the deadly shot came from the storm drains. It has to. It explains the angle of the fatal shot perfectly and it matches the wounds on Kennedy's head. But I am wondering how do you explain the neck wound? they said at first it was an entry wound in the neck, and there are reports of a bullethole in the windshield? Bobharris, what is your idea on this? Just wondering?
This is just a fourteen year-old girl being curious. SO with the projectory of a normal shot to him( WHAT IDIOTIC PEOPLE BELIEVE LIKE MAG) the shot would have hit Mrs. Kennedy. Wouldn't it? I'm just wanting to learn so I really hope you can answer my question. Thank you
Chiibiimonii, a shot from either the grassy knoll or the north storm drain would not have hit Mrs. Kennedy unless it was diverted when it passed through the president's head.
A shot from the storm drain at frame 323 would enter at a 22 degree angle. If the angle had been closer to 90 degrees then she might very well have been hit.
somethin with the way the courts ruled it or something. I'm not sure if that's just standard for cases that have been labeled "solved" or if there was some durastic exception to this case. Not entirely sure, but all I know is we can't even put a pinky in the file until 2039
Excellent analysis on this. I do beleive there was indeed more than one gunman. To bad we can't reopen this case untill 2039, I guess that just shows how much they care. R.I.P. President Kennedy.
I saw a documentary on the Discovery channel where an Australian ballistics expert recreated the shot Oswald made and the shot pretty much did what the magic bullet did. It was Oswald acting alone, no conspiracy.
I think this is great work Bob - the triangle of shooters would fit with this. The two men do appear to be hit by the one bullet from a lower shooting level and at an acute angle - not the book repository. So there are 2 rear shots and the one brutal front headshot from behind the fence. Was the knowl shooter there as insurance in case the longer shots failed?
I think the grassy knoll shooter is the one who has the best possible spot to shoot. Close and low. Perfect place for a sniper. And even if he missed, he'd have enough time for a second try. I'll never buy the US government story of the "lone nut". Just waiting when do the people find out what really happened in Dealey Plaza @ november 22, 1963.
Yeah but this whole affair is buried in black ops and state sanctioned individuals embedded in organised crime - none of this will be documented and I doubt that anything further can come out of it all. In any case - we all agree that the hidden elite and the highed echelons of teh US system had him assassinated. As you say this was a perfect ambush - triangular formation is classic military planning - if not execution!
Some interesting detective work. Still, the Parkland doctors thought the throat wound was an entrance wound. Dr. Humes in Bethesda claimed he overlooked it (which may or may not be truthful--in any case, he didn't address it). So the best first-hand analysis of the neck wound refutes the single-bullet theory.
The throat wound was one of entry. The wound in the back was too low and never dissected in the autopsy. Why? One of the doctors could feel the end the wound with his finger. Both men were not hit by the same bullet.
FYI, I couldn't help but notice all of Mag30th's JFK videos have been removed or set to "private". Looks like YouTube has finally had enough of this crude bigot and charlatan.
"then i heard this noise which i immediately took to be a rifle shot, i instinctively turned to my right" a jump seat is very small, when connally turned to the right he was half hanging off of it, that is how he fell into his wife's arms, otherwise he would have impacted against the back of the seat.the one thing that the CTs refuse to acknowledge,was the fact that connolly was on a jump seat,you include this factor, and the single bullet theory becomes the single bullet fact.(posner was right)
Anonyomous78 did you even watch the video? It full agrees that one bullet passed through both victims.
But because there was extra room to his right, JBC did not have to slide over. And he greatly exaggerated his turn following the first noise. In fact, he totally changed his story about that. Watch:
watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0&feature=related
Nellie probably corrected him but in the film he didnt even try to look at JFK then.
Btw. Ever thought about the motorcycle police officers in the motorcade? If you hear a strong noise, your instincts make you turn towards it. And when the first bullet hits.. See where everyone is looking.. Right at the grassy knoll. That thing has bothered me for a long time now.
Most people think that Connelly reacting/moving round to his right was as a result of being shot i.e the same bullet passed through Kennedy into him.
Not true.
He turned because he heard a shot (which probably hit Kennedy) but the Zapruder film makes it appear that he is reacting to being hit.
He actually gets hit as he is turning back to the front at least 1 1/2 seconds later. Therefore is hit by a separate bullet........which makes 4 bulletts and a conspiracy.
4:50 of the video is extremely convincing. If you look at how the ruler is being held, it is obvious that the doctors are measuring the location of the wound where you have it circled. Nicely done.
One thing I have never heard anyone discuss is what Govenor Connelly said of the assassintation. He consistenly says and he's been asked many, many times, that he heard a shot and turned to his right to see where it came from, then turned back round to the front and just as he was turning back he was hit. View the Zapruder film and you'll see that's exactly what he does.
He was hit at least 1 second after Kennedy. Which means there were 4 shots.....
I don't think JBC had a good recollection of things then. He originally told the press that he looked over his left shoulder and actually saw JFK. Look at this vid:
watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0&feature=related
Undoubtedly, Nellie who was in the room with him, corrected some of his errors, although she never talked him into saying he started shouting before he was hit:-)
The original sketchings and information on the presidents wounds were not correct, they were mistakes by an inexperienced medical team, innocent mistakes that conspiracy theorist such as yourself love to exploit. You have not proved your case, my open mind tells me you are wrong.
An open mind is a great thing ivandakine, but facts and evidence are also important. Why do you think that all of these doctors and law enforcement professionals made exactly the same mistake?
And how do you explain the autopsy photo?
And why do you claim I am "exploiting" the statements of witnesses who actually saw that wound, and even diagrammed it's position?
Secret Service agent Bennett said the wound was 4 inches below the neckline.
FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil BOTH placed the wound below the scapula and made a drawing depicting the entry wound at the same place that the doctors and the secret service guys did.
If today, you showed 6 doctors and law enforcement pros a corpse with a wound at the base of the neck, exactly how many of them do you suppose would misplace the wound by 4-6 inches??
The autopsy photos were taken after the body was cleaned and the skull was put together albeit unsucessfully secondary to tissue/skull still missing and fragmented. It was the first autopsy performed by M.D. at the time. The photograph was not taken by a medical photographer. No one made the same mistakes, they could have done a better job of course.
In case anyone doubts that CE-399 was NOT the bullet that wounded Connally, please read,
"...the most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me off the stretcher and onto the examining table . A metal object fell to the floor , with a click no louder than a wedding band . The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket . It was the bullet from my body , the one that passed through my back , chest , and wrist, and worked itself loose from my thigh ."
That was from Connally's autobiography, "In History's Shadow". It PROVES that the bullet found in the hallway by Tomlinson, that was passed on to the FBI, could NOT have been the same one that fell out of Connally's thigh.
That's why all four of the men who handled the hallway bullet refused to sign off on CE-399 as the same one.
Well, of course it isn't common. But if the bullet did pass through two victims and JBC's wrist, we would expect that it was going pretty slow by the time it hit his thigh.
That would explain why it only penetrated a short distance and fell out later.
The "pristine" bullet was found on a stretcher that the orderly said WAS NOT CONNALLY's stetcher. The Warren Commission said he was mistaken. "Darrell Thomlinson is awakened by a phone call from the FBI, and is told to keep his mouth shut about the bullet he found on the stretcher," Best Evidence, p 591.
WHY? SIMPLE ANSWER: LBJ and Hoover were involved in killing JFK and it's still too hot to talk about so we play all the games with TV documentaries talking about the "mystery."
CE399 was NOT the bullet that fell out of his thigh. All four of the people who originally handled it refused to authenticate CE399 as the same one that was found in the hall.
And Connally stated in his book, that the bullet fell out in an examining room and was picked up by a nurse.
And the nurse said that a bullet didn't fall out as Connally thought.
So what DID PROBABLY HAPPEN?
We have the FBI agent at the autopsy on the back wound: NO POINT OF EXIT, it was a shallow wound. We have Ruby identified at Parkland, we have a bullet found ON A Stretcher NOT connected to the case.
A reasonable conclusion is that Ruby probably planted the bullet, and the bullet that hit JFK in the back WAS NOT A METAL JACKET MILITARY ROUND like the Warren Commission assumed.
because technically it was not a whole bullet, just most of one. that technically makes it a fragment. just like someone could have died a few minutes ago in one piece, could be called the remains of a person, even though they are not decomposing. and for the record, the one bullet did cause all of connally's wounds.
The bullet did NOT drop out of Connally's leg, it was found on a stretcher NOT connected to the case, i.e. it was planted.
WHY? LBJ killed JFK, the Gov't/Media is still playing a game called we can't figure it out.
Look at Dr. after Dr. say the back of JFK's head was blown out which indicates a frontal shot. That alone is sufficient to DISPROVE the SBT. Then look at simple physics, the frontal shot hit JFK in the head and knocked him back to the left. IF YOU THINK the answer is SIMPLE!
Yea.. The story about the small movement to the front as the bullet strikes is bullshit. He might have moved an inch to the front, but he practically flew around the car. Back and to the left. It was a frontal shot.
To get an idea about the trajectory to Connally, check out the video reply I posted. There is an image in there, that compares the trajectories from the alleged snipers nest and Braden's location.
thank you for your hard work, but can you seriously say that the spot you picked out on jfk's back is really the entrance wound? if so, then what is the hole above? why did forensic artists choose the "other hole" over your pick? you need to have some medical people back you up.
Of course I say it seriously, and with virtual certainty. The ruler is obviously turned to measure that wound. Do you disagree??
The "medical people" I cited, are Drs. Boswell and Burkley who placed the back wound at the same location.
Look at the blowup of that wound in the followup video, and if you really disagree, then tell me what you think is the cause for the swollen tissue that encircles it.
what about the height of connally's jump seat? that isn't posted in any data in the hearings before the pres commission...just the height from the pavement, not in juxtaposition of the seat to his shoulder/back/armpit
I think personal attacks are a waste of time on here. You and I disagree on several things but I don't think you are a nasty person. I don't know you or your motivations, or his for that matter. I just enjoy the debate.
Jim Garrison, who I think was a bit looney said ...it was clear that Braden's contribution to the assassination was a large zero... This is one of only a slight few things I agree with him on.
Bob, you have made a mostly fair video here. Thank you.
You mention there not being any proof the particles came from JC's wrist. I say that there is no proof that the particles you mention did not come from JCs wrist and CE399.
Thanks, Chip. But I would have expected more than one star for "fair" :-)
You are right, that there is no "proof" that the particles were NOT from Connally's wrist.
But aren't you just slightly curious as to why all four of the men who handled the original bullet, refused to confirm that it matched CE399, or why the FBI would not turn over the original particles to Guinn??
Did the men you mention say it was, in fact, not the bullet? Or did they say they did not know if the one shown to them was the same one? I really don't know but I personally find the bullet unremarkable in appearance and maybe they could not distinguish it from other, similar bullets.
Commander J. Thornton Boswell, who drew the facesheet, was interviewed by the Baltimore Sun in 1966 and explained that he made no attempt to draw the facesheet exactly to scale, and insisted that the measurements he made were precise, and properly locate the wound.
And the bottom line here Chip, is that it doesn't matter what anybody said, even the doctors.
That autopsy photo proves that the bullet did not enter at the neckline. It entered roughly four inches lower - exactly where Burkley and Boswell originally placed it.
Then why do you evade that fact that we can see exactly where the bullet entered, in the autopsy photo I show in my video? That photo trumps any and all verbiage.
I will have to check on which wound the doctors that were there say is the bullet wound and which is a blood clot. I am not trained in medicene, etc. I will take their word for it.
The autopsy report, as you pointed out, places the wound above all of them.
But show the photo to any doctor and ask him if he agrees that there is an abrasion ring around the lower one.
The autopsy docs were absolutely, covering up evidence of a second shooter, though I am sure, for purely benevolent reaons. EVERYONE believed Oswald was connected to Castro and that evidence of a conspiracy would draw us into a war with Russia.
I, and the autopsy report accompanying the face sheet you show, say that the ...missile entered the right superior posterior thorax above the scapula and traversed the soft tissues of the supra-scapular and the supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck.
His measurements do contradict the drawings. On the same page you show of that dot in a lower location, the Dr. describes the wound in a higher location, 14 cm. below the tip of the mastoid process, and above the scapula.
Well done! I still believe JFK & Conally were hit with separate shots though:
watch?v=wQq0diqVbgM
Connally has always been adamant about that. Regardless the Lone Nut crowd will now have to conjure up another excuse to add to their ad nauseum "nuts", "liars", and "echoes" bullshit they've been spewing for years.
shortly after frame 223 it appears that either jc transfers hat from left to right, or is holding it with both...albeit shortly after, but not when you say jc suffers all his wounds, it appears hat is in right hand only....so in frame 330, i see the hat but not the hand and assume its in right
now "partial" damage to radial nerve is at best an alternate description to the damage suffered by his wrist.....im sure ive seen it characterized as "pulverizing" the wrist, which might have changed your doctors answers
i dont see how this theory can possibly be made to fit with the evidence from parkland that the throat wound on jfk was an entry wound obscured by the tracheotomy performed after he arrived, or connally's own testimony that he wasnt hit until after he turned to right and was in the process of turning to his left
but as long as youre not a lonely nuutter theorist, ill refrain from the attacks i usually reserve for ernest jiminez...ha
I think it speaks well for the conspiracy community here, that I haven't received any attacks for my belief that one bullet went through both victims - at least not yet:-)
I think the Parkland Drs assumed the neck wound was of entry, because of its small size rather than any specific evidence.
But as you probably know, Daryl Tomlinson said the actual bullet had a much sharper tip than CE399, which would explain the very small dimensions of the back wound as well.
As for John Connally, there is an interesting story there, that might be worth a video.
Somewhere, I have a copy of his earliest news conference, given from his hospital bed. He said he looked back over his *left* shoulder and saw JFK, and then got hit.
Undoubtedly, his wife briefed him on what happened, and his amended story, generally, matched her recollection.
Do what I did 12 years ago. Call a doctor or 2 and ask him if partial damage to the radial nerve, leading to the thumb would make it impossible to grip an object. Don't mention the JFK case though. You want an unbiased answer.
Also, consider that JBC was still holding that hat at Z330. When would you posit him getting hit in the wrist?
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The single-bullet theory is defensible if and only if the three F.B.I. reports (November 26, December 9 and January 13) are completely WRONG on their statements of the autopsy. Why? Because these three reports all state that the first bullet did not go completely through Kennedy and therefore it could not have gone on to hit Connally, who was seated in front of Kennedy.
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Bob, I also like your work. Have you ever considered the possibility that the shots came from the 2'nd or 3'rd floor of The Texas School Book Depository and the Grassy Knoll with no one shooting from the 6'th floor? Victoria Adams testified that the shots came from below her and she was on the 4'th floor. The Girl On The Stairs is a really good book on the assassination and the way she was treated.
conspiracydog11 2 months ago
@bobharris77 THANKS!
Peta659 2 months ago
The shot in the throat was a frontal shot not an exit wound.
TheAmbassador11 6 months ago
An EXIT wound in the front of the neck that looked as neat as it did before the trach. by Dallas doctors? No blood or tissue spewing forth from that wound at the moment of impact from the back going foreward to the front of his neck? A neat "little hole" makes for an exit wound?
TheAmbassador11 6 months ago
A final comment. Jim Braden you note was the only felon arrested at Dealy Plaza. He was at Dal-Tex. However, "felon" is not akin to "trained assassin." He was a burglar, an embezzler. What better time to steal when most office workers are out? Even so, he was caught. More to the point, there is no evidence this guy was a marksman of any note. Which he presumably would have had to be if tasked to shoot Kennedy.
1239jer 7 months ago
CE 399. The best you have here is the chain of custody. True, the work here was sloppy. But a) the bullet was matched to the rifle, which was seen firing bullets, which was matched to the trajectory (your interpretations notwithstanding). And b) supposing a "plant," how would the conspirators know they'd need a flattened bullet to match the wounds? That only small fragments would be lost? And wouldn't people question a relatively intact bullet? Doesn't add up.
1239jer 7 months ago
The D-T was a crowded office building. People were hanging out the windows, on the escapes. Gun shots from there would have been soon. Further, NOT A SINGLE PERSON reported seeing shots fired from there. Still further NO WEAPONS, NO SHELLS were found there. Why was Braden there? Why were thousands there that day? The onus is on you to establish the connection through evidence, not conjecture. We have Oswald, tons of evidence links him. None links Braden.
1239jer 7 months ago
The trajectory of the bullet. By lowering the wound, you suggest a different source. But the diagram you show has JFK sitting erect when he in fact seems to be sitting slightly slumped forward. This has the effect of deepening the angle as opposed to your shallow angle.
But your analysis collapses with the Braden id. How could do a shot have been fired from D-T with NONE of the people there on the fire escape noticing? Indeed, this was not a warehouse with empty floors, like the TSDB
1239jer 7 months ago
Your comments about the placing of the back wound are not accurate. The government "didn't pressure" Hume etc to move the wound, they TESTIFIED, inaccurately, as to the location of that wound. The correct location WAS as you note, in the autopsy report which is in the WC. The handling of the autopsy by the WC has been justifiably criticized, but later investigations had access to the photos and xrays, and have confirmed the essential WC findings.
1239jer 7 months ago
I don't agree with your conclusions, but I admire your intellectual honesty in recognizing that JFK and Connally HAD to have been hit by the same bullet. Some comments - you've used the HSCA limo diagram several times, but I question its accuracy - it looks more schematic - indeed, it seems the human figures are scaled down. Further, while it is true the WC did their tests to confirm the TSBD as a source for the SB, the HSCA and Myers did not.
1239jer 7 months ago
thnx mate ur a great help, i can now finish my history essay
BustaBeet 8 months ago
@genericgeorge You are a DUMMY!!!!!!!
pearlofprice 8 months ago
The one question I've had in all of this over the years is that the Parkland doctors said the throat wound was basically about the size of a pencil eraser,and they obliterated it giving JFK a trach.If the throat wound WAS an exit,it would have been beveled out,especially if it was "wobbling" as been theorised I would think.It's the same reason I don't believe the head shot is from the front.
wwahc1964 10 months ago
Thanks Bob, I still feel the exploding head wound came from the front. but what you have put forward confirms by suspicion that Oswald was framed, and the real asassin got away, or assasins if the frontal shot which exploded the head is also (in my mind irrefutable) considered. Wonder what kind of life Lee Oswald would have had, if he just would have run from Guy Bannister...Ha Ha, your observation of the others aspects are very welcome
giannivee1 11 months ago
do you think Lee Oswald is innocent?
allie1200 1 year ago
The first shot aka the 'dud' that Josiah Thomson theorised in '6 seconds in Dallas'. He hypothesised that Oswald's was using miltary surlpus ammuntion and could have been a misfire. People mistook this sound as a firecracker. Had enough velocity to penetrate JFK' s back but not by much.
genericgeorge 1 year ago
All shots fired from Oswald's rifle.
genericgeorge 1 year ago
@genericgeorge They were not...
TheAmbassador11 6 months ago
First shot is a misfire, hits him in the back and works it s way out later. (Ex. 399)
Second shot hits his head, fragments into two main pieces - one hits Connally in the back and travels through to the thigh. Another hits him in the wrist. Other fragments crack the inside front windshield and one ricochet's back hitting him in the throat (pre-tracheotemy wound doctors witnessed
Third shot misses the car as it rounds the bend, hits the road, fragments chips the kerb causing Tague's wound
genericgeorge 1 year ago
Great video!
sweettina2 1 year ago
pretty good stuff. One of the best alternate theories I've seen yet.
SIX50R 1 year ago
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Hi Bob, I just want to point out a few small discrepancies, in Zapruder frame 253, where Kennedy is clutching at his chest after the neck shot. Look at his head & you'll notice the "deformation" you talk about in your other film is really only the way that the wind had blown his hair, the fatal head shot had not yet occurred.
.....more..... in memory of sierrathunder
garrafa123 2 years ago
your awsome. now i wish you figured out where the head shot came from and firugre out the bullet that missed and that hit a near by pedestrian cutting the pedestrins cheek that disapeared from goverment arcives. if you could figure facts out such as this please let me knwo i am doing a school report o it all
THAKS
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heloworldimghost1494 2 years ago
We all know that we'll never know for sure. But you either know that the gov is a bunch of murderers, and that you're life isn't worth anything, or you live in fantasy land.
adam22833 2 years ago
The wierdest thing is that Abraham Zapruder worked in the DalTex building.
adam22833 2 years ago
bobharris77 what do you think of the William Greer scenario? It's about the driver shooting Kennedy. @ 3:22 you could see that if the driver were shot from the front seat it might explain the 22 degree angle.
InfoWarriorMaverick 2 years ago
watch?v=DguBcLpWBS0
bobharris77 2 years ago
1 bullet did pass threw each man and you gave and exellent video thank you.
Dorisequador 2 years ago
good info here for people new to the investigation but i dont belive that shot could have hit both men,the govoner is clearly holding his hat after jfk has been hit.shattering the bone in his wrist there is no way he could have been able to hold it.i think jfk was hit from t.s.b.d,i do agree that someone was in the daltex building.and this is where i think the govoner was hit from,as for nameing suspects anyone new to the investigation i suggest you look up the name william wallace.
scotny99 2 years ago
HEY BOB keep the vids coming, I saw a video either in here on youtube or over on google video where they showed a news conference with the doctors who treated gov Connelly they said there was a bullet still in Connelly leg this was after 399 had been found, the real magic bullet maybe?
Doppelganger399 2 years ago
Hi Bob, I just want to point out a few small discrepancies, in Zapruder frame 253, where Kennedy is clutching at his chest after the neck shot. Look at his head & you'll notice the "deformation" you talk about in your other film is really only the way that the wind had blown his hair, the fatal head shot had not yet occurred.
.....more.....
SierraThunder 2 years ago
i see what you mean i agree completly .
garrafa123 2 years ago
Bob, I have a question.
Why then, were there witnesses that pointed to the book depository?
RHDZ3 2 years ago
Because at least one shot probably did come from the depository. And because one high powered rifle shot was fired from the Daltex. The two positions were actually, very close to each other and it was impossible for witnesses to differentiate.
bobharris77 2 years ago
What about the grassy knoll? I'm not sure if it was the Zapruder film, but there was footage of people running towards there, or police officers inspecting that area. Don't you think some shots were fired from there?
zhadowz416 1 year ago
You've done a lot of good work on this assassination Bob,But as Kennedys Head moves forward,before jerking back,with the spray going up & forward,points to shot from behind,not the front; but both men were hit at same time with the neck shot,& Dale Myers having them too close,does'nt change this fact,-maybe the bullet travelled up a fraction after entering kennedy's back;I would also disregard witnesses & trust Zapruders film;I think Dale Myers got it right!
arvo56 2 years ago
Like your work Bob..What about the first shot that hit the curb, If Oswald is firing, he missed Kennedy by alot because that shot was about 6 seconds befor the last shot, so Kennedy would have been closer to Oswald making the angle steeper and yet the bullet hit the curb at an angle way less steep than what it should have been.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
Thanks whatdidulearn. The first shot didn't strike the curb on Main, as Gerald Posner suggested or any other curb. It struck the pavement to JFK's right.
The lead frag that struck the curbing was from a shot that was fired later. I explain that in my video on the shot at frame 285.
That particular shot, almost certainly, came from the the third floor of the Daltex building, as did the SBT shot, which I talked about in this video.
bobharris77 2 years ago
Ya thanks Bob, I guess what I was trying to get at was, Arlen Spector's theory is the first shot missed, and struck the curb, that's the "official" version. Where exactly was JFK when that shot supposedly hit the curb? I would believe the shot wasn't even close to striking him. So if we could draw a line from the sixth floor to that spot on the curb, where would JFK be at that time? His theory becomes more unbelievable the more you drill down to find the truth.
whatdidulearn 2 years ago
thank you soo much!
this video has been a great help for my exam!
GemmaCee3 3 years ago
thank you for this video, it has really helped me with my history GCSE project on JFK's assassination! ive watched it a million times so thank you!!!!!!
lildrummerdood 3 years ago
for the sake of argument if one bullet did cause all those wounds that bullet wudda been in shreds
hopelesskc 3 years ago
Bob have you seen the TMWKK videos from the 2003 either smokinggun or guilty men segments where the supervisor at Ford in Dearborn Michigan went to workthe morning ofthe 25th tofind the limo there with a bullet hole through and through the windshield from front to back
I think thatis partly why you see
Kellermans left handgo near his facefrom glass coming into him. Maybe Ill catch you on Wim's forum soon
bamom95 3 years ago
The Parkland doctors described the wound in the neck as being from 3-5 millimeters in diameter, which corresponds to 1/8 to 1/5 inches. That is too small to be an entrance wound from a .22 rifle much less an exit wound.
acess09876 3 years ago
some of the animated videos have been set up to put all the characters in the positions to make the single bullet theory work,have you seen the bullet supposedly found at parkland hospital?thier is no way that bullet went through two people,no way on this earth.bullets arnt designed like that.
eljamiro 3 years ago
excellent video,this guy does his homework,his videos shoot down all the disinformation out thier.
eljamiro 3 years ago
It seems strange to me that the whole Daltex building argument is based on the fact that Governor Connally was, in your opinion, sitting in an "unusual position" and if you reposition him to where you THINK he would be sitting you get a different outcome. This video hasnt convinced me of a conspiracy.
Now i have to say that, despite always being intrigued by the case, i have only recently become engrossed in it so im not having a go, im just interested and trying to learn more :)
visiblyclear08 3 years ago
visiblyclear08 I placed Connally squarely in the center of his seat. The "unusual position" was what the HSCA came up with, in an effort to force the angles to point to Oswald.
The vertical angle is even more conclusive. A trajectory from the alleged SN is too steep to be consistent with the known wound locations.
And then calculate the odds that the trajectory pointed to a thug who just coincidentally was at the same mafia hotel with Ruby the night before.
You'll need a 12 digit calculator.
bobharris77 3 years ago
Ah right, i thought that was a position you came up with.
I have to agree with the vertical angle; as a relative newcomer to studying this, one thing i've always thought is how unlikely/impossible the vertical angle is. I know Governor Connally's seat in the car was lower but it would surely have to be a lot lower for that 6th floor trajectory to be correct??
visiblyclear08 3 years ago
Bob I feel that you are the most credible when it comes to this case, what do you think of the back wound story of it being shallow and only a couple of inches deep...
migo53333 3 years ago
Migo, sorry to take so long. I didn't see your message before.
That's not impossible but if the throat wound was of entry, where did that bullet go?
I think one bullet passed both men mainly because they were hit simultaneously, and because that trajectory points directly back to the third floor of the Daltex.
bobharris77 2 years ago
The Single Bull.... Theory..
Steenville 3 years ago
I agree with this idea. It makes perfect sense. The connections to Ferrie, the angles. I also think that the deadly shot came from the storm drains. It has to. It explains the angle of the fatal shot perfectly and it matches the wounds on Kennedy's head. But I am wondering how do you explain the neck wound? they said at first it was an entry wound in the neck, and there are reports of a bullethole in the windshield? Bobharris, what is your idea on this? Just wondering?
hogger129 3 years ago
hoggert129 I think one bullet did pass through both victims, so the neck wound was caused by a bullet exiting. It was fired from the Daltex.
And no, I don't think a bullet passed through the windshield. Photos of the windshield prove that it was just cracked.
bobharris77 3 years ago
This is just a fourteen year-old girl being curious. SO with the projectory of a normal shot to him( WHAT IDIOTIC PEOPLE BELIEVE LIKE MAG) the shot would have hit Mrs. Kennedy. Wouldn't it? I'm just wanting to learn so I really hope you can answer my question. Thank you
ChiibiiMonii 3 years ago
Chiibiimonii, a shot from either the grassy knoll or the north storm drain would not have hit Mrs. Kennedy unless it was diverted when it passed through the president's head.
A shot from the storm drain at frame 323 would enter at a 22 degree angle. If the angle had been closer to 90 degrees then she might very well have been hit.
bobharris77 3 years ago
I'm assuming your meant the final shot, right?
bobharris77 3 years ago
somethin with the way the courts ruled it or something. I'm not sure if that's just standard for cases that have been labeled "solved" or if there was some durastic exception to this case. Not entirely sure, but all I know is we can't even put a pinky in the file until 2039
rainwizard6 3 years ago
Excellent analysis on this. I do beleive there was indeed more than one gunman. To bad we can't reopen this case untill 2039, I guess that just shows how much they care. R.I.P. President Kennedy.
rainwizard6 3 years ago
I'm not familiar with law or anything like that, but why can't we reopen it until 2039?
Anyway, great analysis, really interesting to see things from a fresh angle.
Thugmunk 3 years ago
I saw a documentary on the Discovery channel where an Australian ballistics expert recreated the shot Oswald made and the shot pretty much did what the magic bullet did. It was Oswald acting alone, no conspiracy.
wrappedhands 3 years ago
wrappedhands - The Discovery Channel "documentary" was a propaganda piece that has been long discredited. Look at these videos:
watch?v=Hgec6oCdIvE
and
watch?v=7vzIxkq9EEc
bobharris77 3 years ago
Nonsense, the Warren Report has been thoroughly debunked over the decades. Do the research !
xxZaharoulaxx 3 years ago
Nice work, Bob. Thanks.
Episcleritis 3 years ago
I think this is great work Bob - the triangle of shooters would fit with this. The two men do appear to be hit by the one bullet from a lower shooting level and at an acute angle - not the book repository. So there are 2 rear shots and the one brutal front headshot from behind the fence. Was the knowl shooter there as insurance in case the longer shots failed?
ronanccurran 3 years ago
I think the grassy knoll shooter is the one who has the best possible spot to shoot. Close and low. Perfect place for a sniper. And even if he missed, he'd have enough time for a second try. I'll never buy the US government story of the "lone nut". Just waiting when do the people find out what really happened in Dealey Plaza @ november 22, 1963.
11DNA11 3 years ago
Yeah but this whole affair is buried in black ops and state sanctioned individuals embedded in organised crime - none of this will be documented and I doubt that anything further can come out of it all. In any case - we all agree that the hidden elite and the highed echelons of teh US system had him assassinated. As you say this was a perfect ambush - triangular formation is classic military planning - if not execution!
ronanccurran 3 years ago
Some interesting detective work. Still, the Parkland doctors thought the throat wound was an entrance wound. Dr. Humes in Bethesda claimed he overlooked it (which may or may not be truthful--in any case, he didn't address it). So the best first-hand analysis of the neck wound refutes the single-bullet theory.
cobrafarmer 3 years ago
The throat wound was one of entry. The wound in the back was too low and never dissected in the autopsy. Why? One of the doctors could feel the end the wound with his finger. Both men were not hit by the same bullet.
squirevet 3 years ago
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So much for the Single Bullet MYTH and the charlatan that conjured it from thin air:
watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY
Oooops! Good luck explaining this away Lone Nut Sheeple.
VinnyVoom444 4 years ago
FYI, I couldn't help but notice all of Mag30th's JFK videos have been removed or set to "private". Looks like YouTube has finally had enough of this crude bigot and charlatan.
VinnyVoom444 4 years ago
... and then, of course, the miserable coward put them back up. No matter, people are seeing through his disinformation and boldfaced, baseless lies.
VinnyVoom444 4 years ago
"then i heard this noise which i immediately took to be a rifle shot, i instinctively turned to my right" a jump seat is very small, when connally turned to the right he was half hanging off of it, that is how he fell into his wife's arms, otherwise he would have impacted against the back of the seat.the one thing that the CTs refuse to acknowledge,was the fact that connolly was on a jump seat,you include this factor, and the single bullet theory becomes the single bullet fact.(posner was right)
anonyomous78 4 years ago
Anonyomous78 did you even watch the video? It full agrees that one bullet passed through both victims.
But because there was extra room to his right, JBC did not have to slide over. And he greatly exaggerated his turn following the first noise. In fact, he totally changed his story about that. Watch:
watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0&feature=related
Nellie probably corrected him but in the film he didnt even try to look at JFK then.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Btw. Ever thought about the motorcycle police officers in the motorcade? If you hear a strong noise, your instincts make you turn towards it. And when the first bullet hits.. See where everyone is looking.. Right at the grassy knoll. That thing has bothered me for a long time now.
11DNA11 3 years ago
Thanks man! This pretty much makes perfect sense.
I've often wondered how these guys were so sloppy.
If you're going to pin it on Oswald from behind JFK, why rely on the kill shot coming from the front-right?
I still think it's quite possible that he was shot from the front-right as well at almost the same exact time as the shot from behind.
In the Zap film you can clearly see JFK jolted forward, then back, in a very short amount of time.
TruePatriot00 4 years ago
TruePatriot00
Thanks - I don't think they were quite that close, but you are right on that money about those last couple shots. Check out this video:
watch?v=IVfIh-8nXyQ
bobharris77 4 years ago
Excellent analysis - thanks for posting.
A new perspective is a healthy thing.
Have you seen any of Pat Speer's work?
proudfootz 4 years ago
Yes, I am particularly impressed with his analysis on the autopsy photos.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Most people think that Connelly reacting/moving round to his right was as a result of being shot i.e the same bullet passed through Kennedy into him.
Not true.
He turned because he heard a shot (which probably hit Kennedy) but the Zapruder film makes it appear that he is reacting to being hit.
He actually gets hit as he is turning back to the front at least 1 1/2 seconds later. Therefore is hit by a separate bullet........which makes 4 bulletts and a conspiracy.
nlmorgan 4 years ago
I have to disagree nlmorgan. The one thing that JBC and Nellie disagreed on was that he said he began to shout AFTER he was hit.
"..I immediately, when I was hit, I said, 'Oh, no, no, no'"
Nellie said he yelled first and was hit later.
"I recall John saying 'Oh, no, no, no, no.' Then there was a second shot, and it hit John."
I see him open his mouth at 242, drawing Jackie's attention. That was just a hair over 1 second after the shot.
Nellie just didn't realize that he was hit then.
bobharris77 4 years ago
There is more about the sbt in this video.
watch?v=Ql6VqZDiC6s
bobharris77 4 years ago
4:50 of the video is extremely convincing. If you look at how the ruler is being held, it is obvious that the doctors are measuring the location of the wound where you have it circled. Nicely done.
Alexltavares 4 years ago 2
There's a better blowup of the back wound in the followup video I posted. It's easy to see the slightly swollen ring surrounding the hole.
There's no way that would be there if this was just a clot of dried blood.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Hey Bobharris, great video.
One thing I have never heard anyone discuss is what Govenor Connelly said of the assassintation. He consistenly says and he's been asked many, many times, that he heard a shot and turned to his right to see where it came from, then turned back round to the front and just as he was turning back he was hit. View the Zapruder film and you'll see that's exactly what he does.
He was hit at least 1 second after Kennedy. Which means there were 4 shots.....
nlmorgan 4 years ago
I don't think JBC had a good recollection of things then. He originally told the press that he looked over his left shoulder and actually saw JFK. Look at this vid:
watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0&feature=related
Undoubtedly, Nellie who was in the room with him, corrected some of his errors, although she never talked him into saying he started shouting before he was hit:-)
bobharris77 4 years ago
I recently posted this video, which contains more information about the shots, and Daltex building.
watch?v=Ql6VqZDiC6s
bobharris77 4 years ago
The original sketchings and information on the presidents wounds were not correct, they were mistakes by an inexperienced medical team, innocent mistakes that conspiracy theorist such as yourself love to exploit. You have not proved your case, my open mind tells me you are wrong.
ivandakine 4 years ago
An open mind is a great thing ivandakine, but facts and evidence are also important. Why do you think that all of these doctors and law enforcement professionals made exactly the same mistake?
And how do you explain the autopsy photo?
And why do you claim I am "exploiting" the statements of witnesses who actually saw that wound, and even diagrammed it's position?
bobharris77 4 years ago
Secret Service agent Bennett said the wound was 4 inches below the neckline.
FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil BOTH placed the wound below the scapula and made a drawing depicting the entry wound at the same place that the doctors and the secret service guys did.
If today, you showed 6 doctors and law enforcement pros a corpse with a wound at the base of the neck, exactly how many of them do you suppose would misplace the wound by 4-6 inches??
bobharris77 4 years ago
The autopsy photos were taken after the body was cleaned and the skull was put together albeit unsucessfully secondary to tissue/skull still missing and fragmented. It was the first autopsy performed by M.D. at the time. The photograph was not taken by a medical photographer. No one made the same mistakes, they could have done a better job of course.
ivandakine 4 years ago
In case anyone doubts that CE-399 was NOT the bullet that wounded Connally, please read,
"...the most curious discovery of all took place when they rolled me off the stretcher and onto the examining table . A metal object fell to the floor , with a click no louder than a wedding band . The nurse picked it up and slipped it into her pocket . It was the bullet from my body , the one that passed through my back , chest , and wrist, and worked itself loose from my thigh ."
bobharris77 4 years ago
That was from Connally's autobiography, "In History's Shadow". It PROVES that the bullet found in the hallway by Tomlinson, that was passed on to the FBI, could NOT have been the same one that fell out of Connally's thigh.
That's why all four of the men who handled the hallway bullet refused to sign off on CE-399 as the same one.
bobharris77 4 years ago
I'm curious - does anyone know whether it's common for bullets to just drop out of wounds they create?
proudfootz 4 years ago
Well, of course it isn't common. But if the bullet did pass through two victims and JBC's wrist, we would expect that it was going pretty slow by the time it hit his thigh.
That would explain why it only penetrated a short distance and fell out later.
bobharris77 4 years ago
How do you explain Dr Shaw saying that it was a bullet fragment that hit Connally's left leg, NOT a bullet.
The single biggest incorrect assumption in the JFK assassination is that one bullet caused all of Connally's wounds. This simply is NOT true.
SCGATOR2001 4 years ago
Then why was a pristine bullet used as evidence?! No fragments came from that bullet.
woestijnvis07 4 years ago
The "pristine" bullet was found on a stretcher that the orderly said WAS NOT CONNALLY's stetcher. The Warren Commission said he was mistaken. "Darrell Thomlinson is awakened by a phone call from the FBI, and is told to keep his mouth shut about the bullet he found on the stretcher," Best Evidence, p 591.
WHY? SIMPLE ANSWER: LBJ and Hoover were involved in killing JFK and it's still too hot to talk about so we play all the games with TV documentaries talking about the "mystery."
SCGATOR2001 4 years ago
CE399 was NOT the bullet that fell out of his thigh. All four of the people who originally handled it refused to authenticate CE399 as the same one that was found in the hall.
And Connally stated in his book, that the bullet fell out in an examining room and was picked up by a nurse.
bobharris77 4 years ago
And the nurse said that a bullet didn't fall out as Connally thought.
So what DID PROBABLY HAPPEN?
We have the FBI agent at the autopsy on the back wound: NO POINT OF EXIT, it was a shallow wound. We have Ruby identified at Parkland, we have a bullet found ON A Stretcher NOT connected to the case.
A reasonable conclusion is that Ruby probably planted the bullet, and the bullet that hit JFK in the back WAS NOT A METAL JACKET MILITARY ROUND like the Warren Commission assumed.
SCGATOR2001 4 years ago
"And the nurse said that a bullet didn't fall out as Connally thought."
Do you have a citation on that?
bobharris77 4 years ago
because technically it was not a whole bullet, just most of one. that technically makes it a fragment. just like someone could have died a few minutes ago in one piece, could be called the remains of a person, even though they are not decomposing. and for the record, the one bullet did cause all of connally's wounds.
anonyomous78 4 years ago
The bullet did NOT drop out of Connally's leg, it was found on a stretcher NOT connected to the case, i.e. it was planted.
WHY? LBJ killed JFK, the Gov't/Media is still playing a game called we can't figure it out.
Look at Dr. after Dr. say the back of JFK's head was blown out which indicates a frontal shot. That alone is sufficient to DISPROVE the SBT. Then look at simple physics, the frontal shot hit JFK in the head and knocked him back to the left. IF YOU THINK the answer is SIMPLE!
SCGATOR2001 4 years ago 2
Yea.. The story about the small movement to the front as the bullet strikes is bullshit. He might have moved an inch to the front, but he practically flew around the car. Back and to the left. It was a frontal shot.
11DNA11 3 years ago
To get an idea about the trajectory to Connally, check out the video reply I posted. There is an image in there, that compares the trajectories from the alleged snipers nest and Braden's location.
bobharris77 4 years ago
thank you for your hard work, but can you seriously say that the spot you picked out on jfk's back is really the entrance wound? if so, then what is the hole above? why did forensic artists choose the "other hole" over your pick? you need to have some medical people back you up.
vydeoynkhorne 4 years ago
Of course I say it seriously, and with virtual certainty. The ruler is obviously turned to measure that wound. Do you disagree??
The "medical people" I cited, are Drs. Boswell and Burkley who placed the back wound at the same location.
Look at the blowup of that wound in the followup video, and if you really disagree, then tell me what you think is the cause for the swollen tissue that encircles it.
bobharris77 4 years ago
what about the height of connally's jump seat? that isn't posted in any data in the hearings before the pres commission...just the height from the pavement, not in juxtaposition of the seat to his shoulder/back/armpit
vydeoynkhorne 4 years ago
I posted an addendum to this video, as a video response, mainly to elaborate a bit on Braden. Hopefully, you will find it informative.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Vinnyvoom444, while I might personally agree with your description of that individual, I am removing your message, because it is ad hominem.
Please feel free to post your messages and links, but I ask everyone to only talk about issues that are relevant to the case.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Bob,
Why do you have mag30th blocked?
chip8989 4 years ago
Because he posted ad hominem attacks.
bobharris77 4 years ago
I think personal attacks are a waste of time on here. You and I disagree on several things but I don't think you are a nasty person. I don't know you or your motivations, or his for that matter. I just enjoy the debate.
chip8989 4 years ago
Jim Garrison, who I think was a bit looney said ...it was clear that Braden's contribution to the assassination was a large zero... This is one of only a slight few things I agree with him on.
chip8989 4 years ago
Bob, you have made a mostly fair video here. Thank you.
You mention there not being any proof the particles came from JC's wrist. I say that there is no proof that the particles you mention did not come from JCs wrist and CE399.
chip8989 4 years ago
Thanks, Chip. But I would have expected more than one star for "fair" :-)
You are right, that there is no "proof" that the particles were NOT from Connally's wrist.
But aren't you just slightly curious as to why all four of the men who handled the original bullet, refused to confirm that it matched CE399, or why the FBI would not turn over the original particles to Guinn??
Care to try a guess, maybe??
bobharris77 4 years ago
I gave you a 4 actually.
Did the men you mention say it was, in fact, not the bullet? Or did they say they did not know if the one shown to them was the same one? I really don't know but I personally find the bullet unremarkable in appearance and maybe they could not distinguish it from other, similar bullets.
chip8989 4 years ago
Both of the civilians told Josiah Thompson that the original had a much sharper tip than CE399.
Of course, the FBI did not provide citations from the 2 SA's, but their confirmation would normally, have been rubber stamped.
We owe them a huge debt of gratitude for having the integrity to refuse to sign off on that phony bullet.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Commander J. Thornton Boswell, who drew the facesheet, was interviewed by the Baltimore Sun in 1966 and explained that he made no attempt to draw the facesheet exactly to scale, and insisted that the measurements he made were precise, and properly locate the wound.
chip8989 4 years ago
His measurements did not in any way, contradict the drawing, Chip.
And why would you expect him to more accurately place the wound three years after the body was buried, than when he was staring right at it?
That reporter was asking him to say that the government was f.o.s. What exactly, did you expect this military doctor to say???
bobharris77 4 years ago
And the bottom line here Chip, is that it doesn't matter what anybody said, even the doctors.
That autopsy photo proves that the bullet did not enter at the neckline. It entered roughly four inches lower - exactly where Burkley and Boswell originally placed it.
That photo ends the debate.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Do you agree that all of the autopsy photos are legit? I think they are.
chip8989 4 years ago
Then why do you evade that fact that we can see exactly where the bullet entered, in the autopsy photo I show in my video? That photo trumps any and all verbiage.
bobharris77 4 years ago
I will have to check on which wound the doctors that were there say is the bullet wound and which is a blood clot. I am not trained in medicene, etc. I will take their word for it.
chip8989 4 years ago
The autopsy report, as you pointed out, places the wound above all of them.
But show the photo to any doctor and ask him if he agrees that there is an abrasion ring around the lower one.
The autopsy docs were absolutely, covering up evidence of a second shooter, though I am sure, for purely benevolent reaons. EVERYONE believed Oswald was connected to Castro and that evidence of a conspiracy would draw us into a war with Russia.
bobharris77 4 years ago
Everyone that is, except the people who were involved in the attack and had foreknowledge of it.
bobharris77 4 years ago
I, and the autopsy report accompanying the face sheet you show, say that the ...missile entered the right superior posterior thorax above the scapula and traversed the soft tissues of the supra-scapular and the supra-clavicular portions of the base of the right side of the neck.
chip8989 4 years ago
Those were Humes' words, as were the measurements in the report that did not appear on Boswell's drawing.
Humes also said the large defect in the head was only 13 cm, while Boswell measured it at 17 cm - see my "last shots" video.
But none of that matters. We can see the wound, and the abrasion collar in that photo.
This is starting to sound like a Monty Python episode, Chip:-)
"I have right here, a govt report that this parrot is NOT dead!!"
bobharris77 4 years ago
Bob,
It seems like you take parts of the government report and photos as fact and other parts are made up or altered. You can't have it both ways.
chip8989 4 years ago
Yes sir, I can.
I can accept everything they say, except that which is disproven by better evidence.
And the best example of better evidence, is the photo.
Doesn't it bother you just a tad, to think that both of those doctors misplaced the wound at exactly the level we see in that photo???
bobharris77 4 years ago
His measurements do contradict the drawings. On the same page you show of that dot in a lower location, the Dr. describes the wound in a higher location, 14 cm. below the tip of the mastoid process, and above the scapula.
chip8989 4 years ago
I just posted a video of Connally's first interview following the assassination. It was from his hospital room on Nov. 27, 1963.
watch?v=cP04_lGjkO0
bobharris77 4 years ago
Well done! I still believe JFK & Conally were hit with separate shots though:
watch?v=wQq0diqVbgM
Connally has always been adamant about that. Regardless the Lone Nut crowd will now have to conjure up another excuse to add to their ad nauseum "nuts", "liars", and "echoes" bullshit they've been spewing for years.
VinnyVoom444 4 years ago
shortly after frame 223 it appears that either jc transfers hat from left to right, or is holding it with both...albeit shortly after, but not when you say jc suffers all his wounds, it appears hat is in right hand only....so in frame 330, i see the hat but not the hand and assume its in right
11leverhume 4 years ago
now "partial" damage to radial nerve is at best an alternate description to the damage suffered by his wrist.....im sure ive seen it characterized as "pulverizing" the wrist, which might have changed your doctors answers
11leverhume 4 years ago
oh yeah, just to completely confuse anybody reading my posts, every time i meant right wrist i said left wrist and vice versa
i know i had a really good point to make in there though
11leverhume 4 years ago
Well, the hat was always in his right hand, right up to the point where he turns over and his arm drops out of sight.
That doesn't leave much time for him to get shot in the wrist:-)
bobharris77 4 years ago
interesting....
i dont see how this theory can possibly be made to fit with the evidence from parkland that the throat wound on jfk was an entry wound obscured by the tracheotomy performed after he arrived, or connally's own testimony that he wasnt hit until after he turned to right and was in the process of turning to his left
but as long as youre not a lonely nuutter theorist, ill refrain from the attacks i usually reserve for ernest jiminez...ha
11leverhume 4 years ago
I think it speaks well for the conspiracy community here, that I haven't received any attacks for my belief that one bullet went through both victims - at least not yet:-)
bobharris77 4 years ago
I think the Parkland Drs assumed the neck wound was of entry, because of its small size rather than any specific evidence.
But as you probably know, Daryl Tomlinson said the actual bullet had a much sharper tip than CE399, which would explain the very small dimensions of the back wound as well.
bobharris77 4 years ago
As for John Connally, there is an interesting story there, that might be worth a video.
Somewhere, I have a copy of his earliest news conference, given from his hospital bed. He said he looked back over his *left* shoulder and saw JFK, and then got hit.
Undoubtedly, his wife briefed him on what happened, and his amended story, generally, matched her recollection.
bobharris77 4 years ago
are you suggesting the gov was hit by more than one shot?
hes holding his hat in his left hand when you say hes hit, which he wouldnt be able to do if all his injuries were from that shot
11leverhume 4 years ago
Do what I did 12 years ago. Call a doctor or 2 and ask him if partial damage to the radial nerve, leading to the thumb would make it impossible to grip an object. Don't mention the JFK case though. You want an unbiased answer.
Also, consider that JBC was still holding that hat at Z330. When would you posit him getting hit in the wrist?
bobharris77 4 years ago
hey i meant to reply to this but posted a message instead so my reply is at the top of this page...you probably knew that
11leverhume 4 years ago