pff when i heard sheik ahmed deedat talking i listened very well and it whas interesting and he came with good arguments and why this and that bt when eric bock started to talk i was laughing my a.. off. He doesnt have arguments and everthing he says doesnt make a damn sens. We christians are diferent he says no not different but you are blind FOR THE SIGNS THAT ALLAH SWT SHOWED YOU BUT YOU DENY IT.
@Abdelmajid22 Deedat debates people like Eric rather than scholars like Dr. James White. Dr. White has challenged Naik on more than one occasion without response. Naik is Deedat's student. Why no response? Study Dr. James White's videos and you will see why.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. - Gal 1:8
Ahmad deedat was struck by God Almighty in 1996 and could not speak a single word until his death in 2005.This is a warning to those who attack the Holy Bible and the christian faith!!
BIBLE WARNS OF ISLAM AND THE CURSE THAT WILL BE UPON MUSLIMS FOR PREACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. - Gal 1:8
Ahmad deedat was struck by God Almighty in 1996 and could not speak a single word until his death in 2005.This is a warning to those who attack the Holy Bible and the christian faith!!
@ALL ISLAMist... The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY. and prophets spoke directly to GOD. in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel. so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad. so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad. How can an angel is above human ? In christian, an angel's level is below the Human, because we, human, are created in GOD's image. (that's not the case for an angel)
@ALL ISLAMist... The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY. and prophets spoke directly to GOD. in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel. so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad. so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad. How can an angel is above human ? In christian, an angel's level is below the Human, because we, human, are created in GOD's image. (that's not the case for an angel)
@ALL ISLAMist... The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY. and prophets spoke directly to GOD. in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel. so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad. so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad. How can an angel is above human ? In christian, an angel's level is below the Human, because we, human, are created in GOD's image. (that's not the case for an angel)
lol....poor guy cant stop swaying from left to right, I dont blame him... when truth comes up against falsehood, falsehood gets its brains beaten out.
deedat killed it, mr eric bock is already defeated
he said we worship the same god, eloi eloi allah allah, but we are different...
if we worship the same one and only true GOD, where do prophet jesus a.s, and the holy spirit come in? you cant say one GOD then say father son holy spirit, that is not monotheism, rather its polytheism
ok viewers, feel free to refute or disagree on each others' points, but leave the name of Jesus and Muhammad out of it, because none of them taught us that either one is false, none of them taught us to insult either one, so if we want to argue, don't say Jesus is false or Muhammad is false, the only false is in our understanding of what both prophets has taught us. peace.
No he did not. But the people call him Lord and God because he can heal the sick and raise the dead and forgive your sins and has the authority to judge.
For example: Some people say that he is the son of a rich man, but hever said that himself is rich, but then you see him driving mercedes and bmw.
@MuhammadBinMurtad "No he did not." that's all i want to hear. anyway you should worship more Gods if your stand for the believe that he is called God simply because the miracles that he'd performed. Many pagan shamans can do those things. that bmw/mercedes driving dude could've borrow or even stole that car. this is a naive argument. i reckon you should stop giving your opinion over the matter of religion, just keep posting on funny videos or some soft porn, this subject is too hard for you.;-0
@madeinmalaysia1980 Bill Gates never said he is rich. So is bill gates rich?
Who says that bill gates is not rich? I say that bill gates is rich because i know he own microsoft. I know him by what he owns. But bill gates never said that "I'm rich"
So, what do you say about bill gates? Did bill gates give you money? is he rich?
People say things when action was taken to them. You dont need to say anything about yourself. The deeds that you do speaks on your behalf.
@MuhammadBinMurtad just want to make it clear, we Muslims believe in Jesus (pbuh) and honor him as 25 most mightiest messenger of God, we believe in his miraculous born, we believe he performed miraculous thing, and we believe that at the end of the day, he will be resurrected and lead us to eternal victory and we will forever remain in faith by this believe, what set us apart (Christians and Islam) is we rejected the believe that he is God and I believe deep down in your heart, you knew this.
@madeinmalaysia1980 Do you know what messenger means? It means the one who delivers the messege. If you say that Jesus was his messenger, then where is his "messgege"? I want to read it in your koran. Can you help me find it?
If mohammed was his messenger do you think allah would marry and molest a 6yro old girl? I dont think mohammad is on of gods messenger. Think about it.
@MuhammadBinMurtad Jesus says: "I come to you with a sign from your Lord - I create for you from clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it, and it becomes a live bird by GOD's leave. I restore vision to the blind, heal the leprous, and I revive the dead by GOD's leave. I can tell you what you eat, and what you store in your homes. This should be a proof for you, if you are believers."... "GOD is my Lord and your Lord; you shall worship Him alone. This is the right path." (Quran:3: 45-51).
@MuhammadBinMurtad have you ever heard the term puberty? and did your teacher tell you that a women can reach puberty at the early age of 9? "...Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. When I passed by you AGAIN and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine." Ezekiel 16:7-8 ESV
@MuhammadBinMurtad Allah did not marry anyone, it's Muhammad, His messenger, a human being that married...what a simple idiot you are, and yet you say you know the meaning of "messenger"? you don't even know how to differentiate a man and God, please leave me alone, I'm wasting my time trying to speak a human language with unintelligent being. it's terrible to imagine how a man can be as stupid as you. go on with your life and leave my inbox clear. please...please..please..(hope you understand).
Loved it ,there is another scholar from india who is following the foot steps of Ahmed Deedat same style he is doctor so he can actually argue with atheist on more grounds.
This poor fellow thought that he was going up against a person who lived in jungle all his life.
That's why most religions take the easy way out and just outcast Muslims because they don't have any way to argue with facts.
scholar or not scholar. mashah allah ahmed knows the religion and fight back by using bible and other books to show ppl the way. every debate he has won. the pope did't accept his challange
i say it's better to worship his father who created him i'm sure jesus would be proud of u if u worship his father only and believe in jesus as the one who tought you how to worship his father, which is God who we muslims worship.
NOT FAther brother. in quran says 'RAB ALLAMIN'. not 'AB' 'father' allah has 99 names. the names dont make u have an image of allah. but father 'AB' makes picture inur head.
JESUS IS GOD? WHY GOD DiES? WHO RULES THE UNIVERSE ON ABSENCE OF GOD 'jesus'?? why would god come in a human shape and he send prophets before jesus?? if his god why in the bible says he went down on his knees to pray..god pray t god??
NO Christian ever states that God died. Please watch my video "Philippians2" for the standard teaching that the church has held since the beginning to answer your question.
My reply to that statement is that No "Christian" believes that God died. While it is true that Christians believe that Jesus was fully God, they do not believe God died on the cross.
This is why I said to watch my video on the subject "Philippians2" because it is a common misunderstanding on the Muslims part regarding the Christian faith. Deedat himself was unaware of this knowledge.
bro wait..deedat had no knowledge and defeated every phd christian..and the pop him self avoided him lol..come on give me a break. u blv he died on the cross for human sins. WE MUSLIMS BLV his been lifted. and im sure deedat was aware about your faith since he was x christian. i did ask few christians and some blv he would come back to save them. again we muslim blv he would come back to kill DAJAL with EL MAHDI the 12th imam.
no, my friend, I'm afraid he did not and this video is a great example of that. Mr. Deedat did not debate people who were known apologist. He debated preachers who could barely speak English, Televangelsist, soldiers, but hardly Christian debaters.
To says that the pope (not pop) avoided him is a bit ludicrous. It would be like me challenging the President of the USA to a debate. He doesn't debate. Never in the history of the Church does the pope debate.
I believe Jesus died on the cross because he stated REPEATEDLY that he would. (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34, John 10:11, John 10:17-18, etc etc.) The prophets repeatedly stated it (Psalm 22, Isaiah 53) And Jesus specifically stated WHY he came to die in Matthew 26:28.
I simply take him at his word my friend.
And if Deedat and the Muslim world understood Philippians 2, they would never ask about a god who dies or drinks, or sleeps, or cries out My God, My God, etc.
read what...you just said god who drinks, sleep, cries.??? lesson to your self. this sound human to me. go bbc..who did write the bible. serie made by christians. so you und lil. why would he come in the shape of men?? he owns the universe?? why do you have prophet ibrahim/ moses as prophets...so surely thats the way to communicate to us..thro prophets.
For teh second time... PLEASE, I BEG YOU, go watch my video "Philippians2" because you keep asking questions (ask does Deedat) that have been answered for thousands of years.
If you refuse to dialogue intellegently on the subject, it's rather pointless for me to even continue. I'm not calling you unintelligent. I do not mean that in some harsh or condescending way. What I'm trying to tell you is that you are asking a question from a position of ignorance on what the church has (Cont.)
always taught. You are doing that because your understanding of Christianity has only come from your Imam's and from people like Deedat. Instead of trying to actually understand what is taught, you are taking their teaching on Christianity and asking questions or making arguments based on that. The result is seriously flawed and misunderstood argumentation.
Again, I reiterate, I'm NOT saying that to try and be offensive. I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion with you.
he did not choose who to debate with..he always been challanged. and the pop?? is high then god?? subhana allah. we can even pray to god. so how can we not speak to a men? in islam we have scholars..and we can speak to scholars.
the pop did invite people, but behind close doors why??...lesson to the video.
The pope doesn't debate. That's not very hard to understand. His role as leader of the Catholic church is not to debate. I'd be massively dissapointed if that guy had nothign better to be doing than debating Deedat.
Go look up Norman Giesler, William Lane Craig, Ron Rhodes, Ravi Zacharias, or ask yourself why there is no video of the Deedat vs. Josh McDowel debate.
There are plenty of people that actually DEBATE in Christian circles that Mr. Deedat could have debated. (cont.)
Yet he debtaes Televangelists (Swaggert), etc. I mean seriously.... who is a guy that actually had credentials to debate that he debated? I've watched every video I can find from Deedat and I've never yet seen him debate someone who actually knew the basics of Christian theology and apologetics.
In one thing we can agree, Eric Bock had no business debating or the guy in red. Neither had any oratory ability or standard debate technique that is year one training.
Its very interesting to know that you have been following Deedat. So why couldn't step up to him or approach one of the people you mentioned to challenge him? My friend we are all searching for the truth so conversion is necessary. Remember Deedat has always said if you can prove me wrong then share the stage with me. I've heard it in every lecture of his. Peace be with him. Insha-Allah you will accept the truth.
I have listened to what he has said at length because it amazes me that his opponents are unable to refute what he teaches. True, English is not this mans native tongue, and Jerry Faldwell is hardly a scholar, etc., but his points have been refuted by Christianity for thousands of years.
I cannot challenge him since he has been dead for some time. Nor, honestly, do I have the time. I am a businessman with a wife and 2 children to love on.
But please... I beg you... do not simply copy and paste arguments you find on the web. I haven't the time to refute the thousands that can be pasted and they have already been refuted for centuries.
If you GENUINELY have a question, I will answer. Else, it is a waste of both our time.
there is other videos from ahmed deedat..and dr zaik naik all over you tube. not just this video. so be happy. and surely if this man is representing christianity..who should not go for the challange. even if you think deedat challanged him instead..still someone should have hold him back..and say your weak bro dont go.
you are so right anime140685, I just think the guy had no idea what he was getting himself into. He probably took the whole situation for granted and only realized how serious this was half way through the Shaikh's talk. By the time his tern came, he was so scared....it is so funny. someone really should have warned him.....poor fella. May ALLAH bestow peace on Ahmed Deedat.
I will watch it soon...the argument waz making..is jesus is a prophet. not God. i told you watch docum on bbc or ch4..you can go on the net..Who Wrote the Bible?
after everything you heard from your own book you still want to worship a humanbeing i say go ahead you're free but we both know you're not in the right path.
Thank God there is a Muslim out there who sees this. I have grown so sick of the praises heaped on this man that it utterly amazes me and has often acted in a way that is very in becoming in my opinion.
lol. Sidi Deedat is too clever indeed, but he was clearly stating what is, nothing too clever about that. He is just amzing especially in debate! love him!!
eric bock is a cock! How on earth did they get him to represent christianity in this crucial debate!? He admitted defeat from the get go! Tosser. He cannot be a man of God. God sends veterans and he was clearly a novice. Homo
(QURAN SURA 3:83-85)Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
"We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us"
You see, up to this point you are fine. No Christian or Jew would have a problem with this statement. However, it is the rest of your statement "and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord" That we have our disagreement with.
Islam changes significant aspects of each of the faiths teachings and diverges
from the revealed word of God which has stood for thousands of years.
If you simply wish to be your own faith and say that you have a god whom revealed truth to you, fine. To each their own. However, at the point of which you come to me and try to tell me that I have MY faith wrong and you try to say that YOUR faith is the corrected version of my own, obviously I have a problem with it. (Which is what Islam does.)
Please do not misunderstand Islam as a forceful religion. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W never forced anyone to embrace Islam and thus neither should the muslims. If anyone have ever done that to you, may Allah justify him and I hope you won't misunderstand Islam by judging the act of a few mislead muslims. Their intentions are good, but whatever it is, it should not be forced. And in the Quran, it was revealed so.
ok, don't go to far brother, it's in ur own holy bible...first book of Genesis..... chapter 1, The Original Creation.. In the begining, God created Heaven and Earth. the word God is given details there with the no.1 scroll down and read... Elohim..(sometimes El or Elah) mary names of Deity, is a uni plural one, and Alah, to swear.......... can't u get it.???? it's so, simple to understand. And 1st rule to follow, is who is GOD? see...u already hv the answer...
Read the New Testament of the Bible of the words said by Yeshua (JESUS):
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to replace the Torah and the teachings of the prophets; I did not come to destroy them, but rather to fulfill them."
Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good? There are none good but God."
John 6:38 "For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me".
John 11:25-26 "I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6 speaks about the birth of the Messiah. Immanuel from Isaiah 7:14 means "God with us", God came to earth from heaven and incarnated and manifested in the flesh in the person of Yeshua the Messiah. Yeshua HaMashiach is Immanuel meaning Yeshua HaMashiach is The Incarnation of Yahweh.
Never in the holy bible Jesus ever said 'I'm god, worship me'. And how is god given birth like a man and from the seed of a man? How can god refuse to be called 'good'? How can god be hungy? How can god be sleepy, who'll take care of the universe when Jesus sleep? The answer is, god. Why did jesus pray to god if he is god? Why did he cry to god if he's god? I'm sorry for the questions but if you want people to believe jesus as god then you need to answer them.
"Never in the holy bible Jesus ever said 'I'm god, worship me'."
Actually, yes he did. He said it in a way that the audience he was speaking to fully understood what he meant (IE. John 10:30).
Additionally, Jesus states that ONLY God is to receive worship (Luke 4:8) and yet he goes on to readily accept worship on no less than 14 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone.
"And how is god given birth like a man and from the seed of a man?"
God was not born. God existed fully in Jesus who was
born. Jesus was both fully man and fully God. Philippians 2:5-8 states this plainly.
"How can god refuse to be called 'good'? " Jesus never once stated that he was not good. In fact he DID state that he was Good. (John 10:10)
"How can god be hungy? How can god be sleepy, who'll take care of the universe when Jesus sleep?"
Your questioning here comes from a common misunderstanding of who Jesus was (Your questions resemble Deedat's who also did not understand the nature of Jesus)
As I previously mentioned, Jesus was BOTH fully human and fully God. The two natures did not mix but existed in the same being.
God does not sleep, hunger, etc. Jesus, in his humanity, experienced his humanness just as all humans do and thus hungered, thirst, slept, prayed, cried, etc.
What questions then in turn most be answered are the follwing:
If ONLY God is to be worshiped (Luke 4:8) then why did Jesus accept worship on no less than 14 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone?
If God will not share his Glory with another (Isaiah 42:8), then why does Jesus insist that he receive Glory (John 17:5) and why does he state that the Glory that he wishes to receive from the Father is the Glory that he shared WITH the Father in the beginning.
Only God can forgive sin and yet Jesus states that HE has authority to forgive sin (John 5:22)
Only God gives life and yet Jesus states he gives life to WHOEVER he pleases. (John 5:21)
i dont know how you understand that sentence.but the context is when he is disturbed by the jews,jesus said he and god are one which in this context what i belief is one on purpose.just stating my opinion.
The context is very simple: The Jews ask Jesus to tell them who he is. (v23)
He states that he has already told them who he is (Referring to John 8:58 when he asserted he was I AM and the Jews then ALSO understood he was claiming divinity.)
He then tells them that since he has already told them before, now his WORKS even testify to who he is.
What are his works? Verse 28. his works are that he gives eternal life. HE gives eternal life.
He then states that HIS SHEEP (since he is THE GOOD
Shepherd verse 10) are in HIS hand and no one can take his sheep away from him. Immediately following he states that his sheep are in his FATHER'S hand and no one can take them away from his Father.
HIS SHEEP are simultaneously in HIS HAND and his FATHER'S HAND. How is that possible?
He tells us plainly: I and the Father are ONE.
To assert that it means one in purpose is completely out of context and makes no sense in answering the question at hand.
THAT answers the Jews question and makes complete sense. AND it is EXACTLY what his audience understood him to say.
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." - Verse 33.
It is not complex or difficult. It is completely clear to his audience exactly what he is stating and to attempt to render it as one in purpose is to do so against
Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do. God can do anything according to his will, he can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4).
The Jews understood when Jesus said I and the Father are One that it meant Jesus was saying He is God but when you give this proof to Muslims they refute it,why
Because the Koran forbids Muslims to contradict Muh otherwise other Muslims will slaughter them
and that prevents Muslims from seeing and accepting the proof that they pretended they wanted
On YOUTUBE alone Muslims have over a thousand sites fighting with Christianity
by using deception to attempt to debunk Christianity in order to promote Islam and
that itself proves that Islam is the Anti Christ for Satan is the lies of those who seek to conquer the world through fear,violence,oppression and deception
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]"
28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Eh... what do the prophets know?
Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. - Jesus
Ehh... but what does Jesus know.
Clearly Letmesee74 knows more than God.
Care to make anymore idiotic comments oh ye of tremendous vulgarity and profanity?
lol... INIQUITIES MEANS LACK OF JUSTICE. I guess you need to refer to dictionary to lean a little english. Forget Jesus... but even John were crushed on account of OUR INIQUITES. How did we get peace ...? by following their message. by their worunds... by heir efforts we got to know the truth. that is what the message of isaiah 53 is. oopsss now did i get any explanation for LUKE 10...? NO. I explained your quotes and again debunked your claims.
And your idiotic LUke 10 comment. I know I will face judgement for casting what is holy before swine but I'm sick of seeing it. Of course... having it answered just as with John 17 will mean absolutely nothing. You will continue to open your profane vulgarous mouth and spew forth lies.
OF COURSE JESUS SAID TO FOLLOW THE LAW! Scripture has always taught that, "Sacrifices and offerings or whole burnt-offerings and sin-offerings Thou hast not desired or taken pleasure in" (Hebrews 10:8)
Scripture makes clear, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22
TO OBEY IS BETTER but NO MAN CAN FULFILL THE LAW!
THAT is why Jesus said he must become the SIN SACRIFICE! That is why his OWN MOUTH STATED IT and WHY YOU HAVE NO REBUTAL TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE!
"when GOD talks about sin in the Bible... what is the word God uses ? the word is SIN."
Ummm... no.
Transgression, Iniquity, Unrighteousness, there are SO MANY words that God uses to describe "Sinful" behavior like you exhibit here with your continued vulgarity and profanity and anyone who can use a DICTIONARY knows that (Which I know you don't seem to bother with to often.)
There are so many passages in scripture that interchange those words it is not even funny.
"Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the LORD' — and you forgave the guilt of my sin." - Psalm 32:5
The Psalmist "Acknowledges" his sin and did not cover up his INIQUITY. Iniquity = Sin.
The Psalmist confesses his TRANSGRESSION and the LORD FORGIVES HIS SIN. Transgression = Sin.
By standard English Dictionary definition "iniquity" and "Transgression" BOTH are SYNONYMOUS with SIN. Looking at the Hebrew
we see "Pesha" for transgression. The Hebrew dictionary states, "Sin, a trespass, wickedness, rebellion, faithlessness." So the VERY FIRST WORD in the definition shoots down your argument. Looking at the Hebrew word for iniquity we see the word "Avown". The definition by the Hebrew Dictionary states, "a depraved action, perversity, SIN, quilt, crime, a fault." By English dictionary or by Hebrew dictionary your argument holds NO WATER.
And don't forget that the CONTEXT of this conversation
is the PROOF that the LORD GOD made it perfectly clear through every means that the Messiah was to be the SIN OFFERING and BY HIS OFFERING ALONE are we freed from the debt of sin. "5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed."
Even if I were to insert your inappropriate definition "Lack of Justice" for iniquity it is still clear that The Messiah was PIERCED and CRUSHED
And I know you are ever so desparate to turn attention to some spurious falacious argument regarding "iniquity" that doesn't even make it past basic dictionary definiton but the simple fact of the matter is that the CONTEXT of this verbal trouncing you've received is the simple PLAIN FACT that God placed the INQUITY AND TRANSGRESSION ON JESUS!
And no matter what fairy tale definition you want to try and anscribe to the word Jesus was still made a "GUILT OFFERING."
No go right back to your juvenile re-assertion of the already debunked arguments claiming they've never been answered and toss in some of your usual profanity while you're at it.
Show yourself to be what you are; profane, vulgar, lying, blasphemer.
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Eh... what do the prophets know?
Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. - Jesus
Ehh... but what does Jesus know.
Clearly Letmesee74 knows more than God.
Care to make anymore idiotic comments oh ye of tremendous vulgarity and profanity?
So when Jesus told us to forgive others, did he mean that we should punish them and then forgive? Define for me then, Scholar Jorsak, what is 'forgiveness'? So then Jesus lied? Was Jesus unjust when he forgave the adulteress? He didn't have her punished. Perhaps u are wiser than the one u worship... or perhaps u speak of things that u understand nothing of.
You are confusing forgiveness and judgement my friend.
Of course we are to forgive as Jesus says but judgement for the sake of salvation and eternal punishment does not belong to us and is not within our power or authority.
Plenty of people have suffered the loss of a family member to a murderer for example and have FORGIVEN that individual. Yet, they still sit in prison. Why? Because Judgement is separate from forgiveness. While forgiven, the person still must pay their debt.
Can any learned christian quote any place where Jesus said "worship me" or "I am god" or something tantamount to it? Again, Jesus, in no uncertain terms told the people to worship God alone. Jorsak, as to how u amount that to mean that Jesus was talking about himself is even beyond Jesus himself; as on the Day of Judgment, he will deny all those things u attributed to him. And surely u will come to know about those horrible transgressions.
"was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." which comes from Daniel 7:13-14 when he was asked directly by the High priest, "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" He quoted, "I AM. And 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming with the clouds of heaven.'"
which, as I said comes from Daniel 7:13-14 where in the Son of man is described as I quoted.
It is plainly evident to anyone who is not predisposed to disbelief by the blinders that their faith has put over their eyes that Jesus communicated his deity.
His disciples most certainly attributed it to him and even as early as 110AD external to the Bible it is recorded that Christians worshipped Jesus as God. (See pliny the younger writing to Emperor Trajan.)
Having said all that Jesus did NOT come to [rove to you that He was God in the Flesh although it is stated plainly (John 1:1, John 1:14, Philippians 2:5-8).
He came to die for your sins.
He states plainly, "The Son of Man will be betrayed into human hands. They will kill him, but after being dead for three days he will be raised."
And he tells you EXACTLY why he did it, "for the forgiveness of sins." - Matthew 26:28.
Additionally, You state "as on the Day of Judgment, he will deny all those things u attributed to him. And surely u will come to know about those horrible transgressions."
Really? Think about that. Thomas addressed Jesus to HIS FACE as "My LORD and MY GOD." (John 20:28). (Exactly as I address him.) Now, did Jesus comdemn him and convict him o fhis horrible transgression?
No. Not at all. Jesus responds, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have
That's right folks! God cannot forgive us unless he kills himself first. Similarly, if u want to spare ur child punishment, u gotta kill urself...unless u just warn the child- either way, the child gets off the hook. Now which would u choose?
What you do not understand is that God is perfectly Just as well as perfectly merciful.
If God arbitraily forgives your sin with no recourse and no punishment, then he is not a JUST God.
If a man killed my child and we stood before a judge and the judge had seen the evidence and the man was guilty and then said, "I forgive this man" and no punishment was given to the man, then the judge would be horribly unjust.
God provided YOU a way that your sin was paid for - justice had been met
and the mercy of God shown; a perfect blend of Justice AND mercy.
And thus JESUS said HIMSELF from HIS OWN MOUTH, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Now, you can choose to reject his payment for your sins and you will stand in judgement before him and will be cast into hell for eternity to be separated from him for that rejection of payment made.
"My blood of the covenant..." and u take that literally? But he also talked about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. But u don't take that literally eh? Why didn't his followers eat him and drink his blood too? Perhaps some things were figurative. But you wouldn't understand much- u read a lot but for a gross miscompensation.
You stated, "My blood of the covenant..." and u take that literally?"
You are attempting to make metaphorical that which does not matter whether it is metaphorical.
There has long since been an inhouse debate in Christianity whether the wne is LITERALLY transformed (Called Transubstantiation) into his blood and the bread LITERALLY transformed into his body.
I do not believe that the items are LITERALLY transformed into his blood and body. OWEVER, that is not what we are talking about.
In ALL of Christianity it is absolutely agreed on that whether the OBJECT (Wine) is literal or metaphorical, it is clear that what he used the object to communicate is literal.
You are trying to focus the argument on "This is my blood" when up to this point what has been the object of discussion is, "which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Jesus made it clear that he died FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Whether the object was methaphorical or literal doesn't matter.
Jesus was sent to the cross because he claimed he was God
he rose from the dead witnessed by many to prove it just so that Jesus could teach his apostles that Jesus is God who is with all people on earth to guide them and that was the mission of the apostles to go to teach others God himself is with you to guide you but only true prophets could know this and Muhammad was a false prophet who taught Jesus didn't die on the cross
Deedat was a Muslim and Muslims were taught Jesus was not God
but God said he would come into humanform to die on the cross to which he did and he did so to prove He was and is God who alone is with all people closer to them then their own jugluar vein for God knew when peoeple understood that God alone guides people best and when people themselves experienced God,it would end sufferings and restore the world back to true paradise
As no prophet was to come after Jesus except false ones which you will know by their teachings.
Muhammad taught Jesus didn't die on the cross when Christianity only came into existence after Jesus claimed he was God was sent to the cross where he rose from the dead
Jesus is God and that is why he will return for Judgement day
thera are three types of christians in this world and you are one of them.
1. fundamentalist: CANT EVEN READ
2. those who know how to read but choose NOT to read it and instead say "islam is evil blablabla"
3. educated christians: THEY LEAVE THE RELIGION!!! they dont belive in a bible that tells them to sell there daugthers as whores,that tells them that slavery is fine,that tells them the sun rotates around the eart, ETC!! PRODUCE YOUR PROOF IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL!!
can you tell me ONE thing, and just ONE thing that the prophet has taught us that is wrong and not taugh by your religion. Just ONE thing and i will leave islam TODAY!! ONE THING! that is a challenge from me to you and you can not ignore it because we have witnesses in here! ONE THING that proves Muhammad is false! ONE THING!!!
Jesus states that the spilling of his blood is for the forgiveness of sin, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:28.
Please confirm for me that Mohamed teaches that Jesus' Blood was spilled for the sins of mankind. Please confirm for me in any way that atonement occurs be Jesus' blood alone.
Jesus states, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me."
believes that Jesus is THE WAY to get to the Father and that through him alone will you get to the Father. (please keep in mind that Jesus states it is his BLOOD that was spilled for the forgiveness of man. This WAY that he referred to was the forgiveness that his blood brings.)
Ruellian welcome to Christianity may you always know and experience God's love and personal guidance for you
Muh said Islam is the Light that will take you out of the darkness into the light, Jesus said I am the Light of the world he who follows me will not walk in darkness
Muh said God is the beginning and the end and Jesus said Jesus is the beginning and the end
Muh said Jesus didn't die on the cross and that Jesus was only a prophet but Jesus rose from the dead to prove he was God
go check out deedat's "Muhammed(pbuh) in the bible" where sheikh deedat explains how the name "Muhammed" was to some extent translated. i think u have seen it since i fi
pff when i heard sheik ahmed deedat talking i listened very well and it whas interesting and he came with good arguments and why this and that bt when eric bock started to talk i was laughing my a.. off. He doesnt have arguments and everthing he says doesnt make a damn sens. We christians are diferent he says no not different but you are blind FOR THE SIGNS THAT ALLAH SWT SHOWED YOU BUT YOU DENY IT.
Abdelmajid22 1 month ago
@Abdelmajid22 Deedat debates people like Eric rather than scholars like Dr. James White. Dr. White has challenged Naik on more than one occasion without response. Naik is Deedat's student. Why no response? Study Dr. James White's videos and you will see why.
jorsak 2 weeks ago
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PROOF MUHAMMAD'S REVELATION WAS NOT FROM GOD
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. - Gal 1:8
Ahmad deedat was struck by God Almighty in 1996 and could not speak a single word until his death in 2005.This is a warning to those who attack the Holy Bible and the christian faith!!
quranevil 5 months ago
BIBLE WARNS OF ISLAM AND THE CURSE THAT WILL BE UPON MUSLIMS FOR PREACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. - Gal 1:8
Ahmad deedat was struck by God Almighty in 1996 and could not speak a single word until his death in 2005.This is a warning to those who attack the Holy Bible and the christian faith!!
islamfalse 6 months ago
@islamfalse The Quran doesn't contradict the Gospel, but contradicts the bible (Gospel of Paul and some leftovers of God's and Jesus's true words)
anane79 5 months ago
@islamfalse fuck off
ahmer1 4 months ago
hahahaha!!!!!! bock cant fight back. dohhhh
rikadress 6 months ago
What is the 4 letter word?
ImKoolWithThis 7 months ago
@ImKoolWithThis F.U.C.K.
minasz 7 months ago
@minasz Thanks :)
ImKoolWithThis 7 months ago
Erik has nothing to offer....he threw the towel in the ring before the fight startet...!!!
bigmac19751234 7 months ago
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@ALL ISLAMist... The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY. and prophets spoke directly to GOD. in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel. so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad. so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad. How can an angel is above human ? In christian, an angel's level is below the Human, because we, human, are created in GOD's image. (that's not the case for an angel)
mybisyd 7 months ago
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@ALL ISLAMist... The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY. and prophets spoke directly to GOD. in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel. so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad. so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad. How can an angel is above human ? In christian, an angel's level is below the Human, because we, human, are created in GOD's image. (that's not the case for an angel)
mybisyd 7 months ago
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@ALL ISLAMist... The TRUTH is: In all history of prophets, GOD chose HIS prophets DIRECTLY. and prophets spoke directly to GOD. in Islam, Mohammad was chosen INDIRECTLY through the angel. so this is like: GOD --- angel ---- Mohammad. so meaning the real messenger is the angel itself, not Mohammad. How can an angel is above human ? In christian, an angel's level is below the Human, because we, human, are created in GOD's image. (that's not the case for an angel)
mybisyd 7 months ago
lol....poor guy cant stop swaying from left to right, I dont blame him... when truth comes up against falsehood, falsehood gets its brains beaten out.
hafizf86 8 months ago
Eric has wested my time wth :(
Afghanistang 10 months ago 3
The Bishop Got owned like Literally.
OacidburnO 11 months ago 5
deedat killed it, mr eric bock is already defeated
he said we worship the same god, eloi eloi allah allah, but we are different...
if we worship the same one and only true GOD, where do prophet jesus a.s, and the holy spirit come in? you cant say one GOD then say father son holy spirit, that is not monotheism, rather its polytheism
ajhersi2 1 year ago 5
ALLAHUAKBAR! TAKBIR!
4214555 1 year ago
he sounds like arnol schwar. however you spell his last name
hamzie11 1 year ago
ok viewers, feel free to refute or disagree on each others' points, but leave the name of Jesus and Muhammad out of it, because none of them taught us that either one is false, none of them taught us to insult either one, so if we want to argue, don't say Jesus is false or Muhammad is false, the only false is in our understanding of what both prophets has taught us. peace.
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
Mr Eric is lost
d\he dosent know what to say
salmaabdo 1 year ago
Jesus said:
I AM, THE SON OF GOD
MuhammadBinMurtad 2 years ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad did he say "I am God"?
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@madeinmalaysia1980
No he did not. But the people call him Lord and God because he can heal the sick and raise the dead and forgive your sins and has the authority to judge.
For example: Some people say that he is the son of a rich man, but hever said that himself is rich, but then you see him driving mercedes and bmw.
Now what you you say about him?
MuhammadBinMurtad 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad "No he did not." that's all i want to hear. anyway you should worship more Gods if your stand for the believe that he is called God simply because the miracles that he'd performed. Many pagan shamans can do those things. that bmw/mercedes driving dude could've borrow or even stole that car. this is a naive argument. i reckon you should stop giving your opinion over the matter of religion, just keep posting on funny videos or some soft porn, this subject is too hard for you.;-0
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@madeinmalaysia1980 Bill Gates never said he is rich. So is bill gates rich?
Who says that bill gates is not rich? I say that bill gates is rich because i know he own microsoft. I know him by what he owns. But bill gates never said that "I'm rich"
So, what do you say about bill gates? Did bill gates give you money? is he rich?
People say things when action was taken to them. You dont need to say anything about yourself. The deeds that you do speaks on your behalf.
MuhammadBinMurtad 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad sorry, not interested...:-/
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@madeinmalaysia1980 That's ok. No one is forcing you to believe in Jesus.
Even Jesus himself said to his followers that they can leave and some of his followers didnt believe in him and left.
MuhammadBinMurtad 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad just want to make it clear, we Muslims believe in Jesus (pbuh) and honor him as 25 most mightiest messenger of God, we believe in his miraculous born, we believe he performed miraculous thing, and we believe that at the end of the day, he will be resurrected and lead us to eternal victory and we will forever remain in faith by this believe, what set us apart (Christians and Islam) is we rejected the believe that he is God and I believe deep down in your heart, you knew this.
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@madeinmalaysia1980 Do you know what messenger means? It means the one who delivers the messege. If you say that Jesus was his messenger, then where is his "messgege"? I want to read it in your koran. Can you help me find it?
If mohammed was his messenger do you think allah would marry and molest a 6yro old girl? I dont think mohammad is on of gods messenger. Think about it.
MuhammadBinMurtad 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad Jesus says: "I come to you with a sign from your Lord - I create for you from clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it, and it becomes a live bird by GOD's leave. I restore vision to the blind, heal the leprous, and I revive the dead by GOD's leave. I can tell you what you eat, and what you store in your homes. This should be a proof for you, if you are believers."... "GOD is my Lord and your Lord; you shall worship Him alone. This is the right path." (Quran:3: 45-51).
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad have you ever heard the term puberty? and did your teacher tell you that a women can reach puberty at the early age of 9? "...Your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare. When I passed by you AGAIN and saw you, behold, you were at the age for love, and I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness; I made my vow to you and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Lord GOD, and you became mine." Ezekiel 16:7-8 ESV
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad Allah did not marry anyone, it's Muhammad, His messenger, a human being that married...what a simple idiot you are, and yet you say you know the meaning of "messenger"? you don't even know how to differentiate a man and God, please leave me alone, I'm wasting my time trying to speak a human language with unintelligent being. it's terrible to imagine how a man can be as stupid as you. go on with your life and leave my inbox clear. please...please..please..(hope you understand).
madeinmalaysia1980 1 year ago
@MuhammadBinMurtad where you there when he molested a 6 year old girl? how do you know? show your proof!
fuckspicks88 1 year ago
Loved it ,there is another scholar from india who is following the foot steps of Ahmed Deedat same style he is doctor so he can actually argue with atheist on more grounds.
This poor fellow thought that he was going up against a person who lived in jungle all his life.
That's why most religions take the easy way out and just outcast Muslims because they don't have any way to argue with facts.
May Allah bless all Muslims "human and jinn"
alighouston 2 years ago
@alighouston Are you talking about dr zakir naik?
aurangxaib 1 year ago
poor erick x)
SimoDluffy 2 years ago
scholar or not scholar. mashah allah ahmed knows the religion and fight back by using bible and other books to show ppl the way. every debate he has won. the pope did't accept his challange
amine140685 2 years ago
Eric doesn't seem to be an appropriate person to debate with. He seems already confused in the beginning.
ainwee 2 years ago
whats the 4 letter word? deedat is talking about
MonaAndYasmin 2 years ago
YHWH - the tetragramataton
naliakbar 2 years ago
@MonaAndYasmin : secret word is jew languege go wikipedia you will understand better it is interesting to le you know.
MrGorod 1 year ago
@MonaAndYasmin Did you find out yet?
ImKoolWithThis 7 months ago
jesus is the true god and i believe all should worship him
dannybadz 2 years ago
hahah yea u believe thats why we should worship him ahah
TheXTheMD 2 years ago
i say it's better to worship his father who created him i'm sure jesus would be proud of u if u worship his father only and believe in jesus as the one who tought you how to worship his father, which is God who we muslims worship.
mehdymehdy 2 years ago
NOT FAther brother. in quran says 'RAB ALLAMIN'. not 'AB' 'father' allah has 99 names. the names dont make u have an image of allah. but father 'AB' makes picture inur head.
amine140685 2 years ago
JESUS IS GOD? WHY GOD DiES? WHO RULES THE UNIVERSE ON ABSENCE OF GOD 'jesus'?? why would god come in a human shape and he send prophets before jesus?? if his god why in the bible says he went down on his knees to pray..god pray t god??
amine140685 2 years ago
NO Christian ever states that God died. Please watch my video "Philippians2" for the standard teaching that the church has held since the beginning to answer your question.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
I DID NOT SAY GOD DIED subhana allah. some christians blv jesus pbuh is god. so i said how can god dies if he was (jesus pbuh)??..i'm been sarcastic.
salam. wots ur blv brother?
amine140685 2 years ago
Greetings,
You stated, "JESUS IS GOD? WHY GOD DiES?"
My reply to that statement is that No "Christian" believes that God died. While it is true that Christians believe that Jesus was fully God, they do not believe God died on the cross.
This is why I said to watch my video on the subject "Philippians2" because it is a common misunderstanding on the Muslims part regarding the Christian faith. Deedat himself was unaware of this knowledge.
I do not say that to be harsh. It is (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
simply a true statement. Jesus possessed a dual nature; namely both fully man and fully God.
I explain this in detail in the video as text space here is to confining for the subject.
And I guess you figured by now, I am Christian. :-)
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
bro wait..deedat had no knowledge and defeated every phd christian..and the pop him self avoided him lol..come on give me a break. u blv he died on the cross for human sins. WE MUSLIMS BLV his been lifted. and im sure deedat was aware about your faith since he was x christian. i did ask few christians and some blv he would come back to save them. again we muslim blv he would come back to kill DAJAL with EL MAHDI the 12th imam.
amine140685 2 years ago
"Defeated every phd christian"
no, my friend, I'm afraid he did not and this video is a great example of that. Mr. Deedat did not debate people who were known apologist. He debated preachers who could barely speak English, Televangelsist, soldiers, but hardly Christian debaters.
To says that the pope (not pop) avoided him is a bit ludicrous. It would be like me challenging the President of the USA to a debate. He doesn't debate. Never in the history of the Church does the pope debate.
jorsak 2 years ago
I believe Jesus died on the cross because he stated REPEATEDLY that he would. (Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:33-34, John 10:11, John 10:17-18, etc etc.) The prophets repeatedly stated it (Psalm 22, Isaiah 53) And Jesus specifically stated WHY he came to die in Matthew 26:28.
I simply take him at his word my friend.
And if Deedat and the Muslim world understood Philippians 2, they would never ask about a god who dies or drinks, or sleeps, or cries out My God, My God, etc.
It is an uninformed argument.
jorsak 2 years ago
read what...you just said god who drinks, sleep, cries.??? lesson to your self. this sound human to me. go bbc..who did write the bible. serie made by christians. so you und lil. why would he come in the shape of men?? he owns the universe?? why do you have prophet ibrahim/ moses as prophets...so surely thats the way to communicate to us..thro prophets.
amine140685 2 years ago
For teh second time... PLEASE, I BEG YOU, go watch my video "Philippians2" because you keep asking questions (ask does Deedat) that have been answered for thousands of years.
If you refuse to dialogue intellegently on the subject, it's rather pointless for me to even continue. I'm not calling you unintelligent. I do not mean that in some harsh or condescending way. What I'm trying to tell you is that you are asking a question from a position of ignorance on what the church has (Cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
always taught. You are doing that because your understanding of Christianity has only come from your Imam's and from people like Deedat. Instead of trying to actually understand what is taught, you are taking their teaching on Christianity and asking questions or making arguments based on that. The result is seriously flawed and misunderstood argumentation.
Again, I reiterate, I'm NOT saying that to try and be offensive. I'm genuinely trying to have a discussion with you.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
he did not choose who to debate with..he always been challanged. and the pop?? is high then god?? subhana allah. we can even pray to god. so how can we not speak to a men? in islam we have scholars..and we can speak to scholars.
the pop did invite people, but behind close doors why??...lesson to the video.
amine140685 2 years ago
The pope doesn't debate. That's not very hard to understand. His role as leader of the Catholic church is not to debate. I'd be massively dissapointed if that guy had nothign better to be doing than debating Deedat.
Go look up Norman Giesler, William Lane Craig, Ron Rhodes, Ravi Zacharias, or ask yourself why there is no video of the Deedat vs. Josh McDowel debate.
There are plenty of people that actually DEBATE in Christian circles that Mr. Deedat could have debated. (cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
Yet he debtaes Televangelists (Swaggert), etc. I mean seriously.... who is a guy that actually had credentials to debate that he debated? I've watched every video I can find from Deedat and I've never yet seen him debate someone who actually knew the basics of Christian theology and apologetics.
In one thing we can agree, Eric Bock had no business debating or the guy in red. Neither had any oratory ability or standard debate technique that is year one training.
jorsak 2 years ago
Its very interesting to know that you have been following Deedat. So why couldn't step up to him or approach one of the people you mentioned to challenge him? My friend we are all searching for the truth so conversion is necessary. Remember Deedat has always said if you can prove me wrong then share the stage with me. I've heard it in every lecture of his. Peace be with him. Insha-Allah you will accept the truth.
saadmute 2 years ago
I have listened to what he has said at length because it amazes me that his opponents are unable to refute what he teaches. True, English is not this mans native tongue, and Jerry Faldwell is hardly a scholar, etc., but his points have been refuted by Christianity for thousands of years.
I cannot challenge him since he has been dead for some time. Nor, honestly, do I have the time. I am a businessman with a wife and 2 children to love on.
I come here because it is convenient.
(cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
There is not ONE single solitary argument that Deedat has presented in the 100 or so videos I have watched that is not easily refuted.
I have openly challenged ANYONE to post his best argument and I will gladly refute it.
I do not say that in arrogance but in confidence as I have already done it hundreds upon hundreds of times.
In fact, I have written about 90 pages in a book now those very questions that have been posed.
So, by all means, feel free to post your BEST example.
(cont.)
jorsak 2 years ago
But please... I beg you... do not simply copy and paste arguments you find on the web. I haven't the time to refute the thousands that can be pasted and they have already been refuted for centuries.
If you GENUINELY have a question, I will answer. Else, it is a waste of both our time.
Salaam and blessings on you and yours,
Joe
jorsak 2 years ago
there is other videos from ahmed deedat..and dr zaik naik all over you tube. not just this video. so be happy. and surely if this man is representing christianity..who should not go for the challange. even if you think deedat challanged him instead..still someone should have hold him back..and say your weak bro dont go.
amine140685 2 years ago
you are so right anime140685, I just think the guy had no idea what he was getting himself into. He probably took the whole situation for granted and only realized how serious this was half way through the Shaikh's talk. By the time his tern came, he was so scared....it is so funny. someone really should have warned him.....poor fella. May ALLAH bestow peace on Ahmed Deedat.
nzemrme2 2 years ago
I will watch it soon...the argument waz making..is jesus is a prophet. not God. i told you watch docum on bbc or ch4..you can go on the net..Who Wrote the Bible?
amine140685 2 years ago
after everything you heard from your own book you still want to worship a humanbeing i say go ahead you're free but we both know you're not in the right path.
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Thank God there is a Muslim out there who sees this. I have grown so sick of the praises heaped on this man that it utterly amazes me and has often acted in a way that is very in becoming in my opinion.
jorsak 2 years ago
Bock!! If you are not too clever about this..why are you trying to debate with your christianity??
It's all clear and very clear..no doubt about it!!!
And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian."
perrtimo 2 years ago
lol. Sidi Deedat is too clever indeed, but he was clearly stating what is, nothing too clever about that. He is just amzing especially in debate! love him!!
and yeah....the priest seems he lacks words.....
DomDollx 3 years ago
Is it me or Is Eric bock, speechless...
turkishg88 3 years ago 24
@turkishg88 hahahah i think he doesnt know what he is saying
albcorason 1 year ago 2
eric bock is a cock! How on earth did they get him to represent christianity in this crucial debate!? He admitted defeat from the get go! Tosser. He cannot be a man of God. God sends veterans and he was clearly a novice. Homo
M131669 3 years ago
I ask questions because I want to know more and understand more in case I've overlooked anything. So, I'm sorry if I've offended anyone in any way.
LifesClock 3 years ago
Your questions aren't offensive - at least not to me. Feel free to ask as many as you'd like.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 3 years ago
(QURAN SURA 3:83-85)Say (O Muhammad): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
ABDEL7AYY 3 years ago
"We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us"
You see, up to this point you are fine. No Christian or Jew would have a problem with this statement. However, it is the rest of your statement "and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord" That we have our disagreement with.
Islam changes significant aspects of each of the faiths teachings and diverges
jorsak 3 years ago
from the revealed word of God which has stood for thousands of years.
If you simply wish to be your own faith and say that you have a god whom revealed truth to you, fine. To each their own. However, at the point of which you come to me and try to tell me that I have MY faith wrong and you try to say that YOUR faith is the corrected version of my own, obviously I have a problem with it. (Which is what Islam does.)
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 3 years ago
Please do not misunderstand Islam as a forceful religion. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W never forced anyone to embrace Islam and thus neither should the muslims. If anyone have ever done that to you, may Allah justify him and I hope you won't misunderstand Islam by judging the act of a few mislead muslims. Their intentions are good, but whatever it is, it should not be forced. And in the Quran, it was revealed so.
LifesClock 3 years ago
deedat rocks
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orangminyakz 3 years ago
Read the New Testament of the Bible of the words said by Yeshua (JESUS):
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I came to replace the Torah and the teachings of the prophets; I did not come to destroy them, but rather to fulfill them."
Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Luke 18:19 "Why do you call me good? There are none good but God."
John 6:38 "For I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me".
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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John 8:58 "I am telling you the truth, before Abraham was born, 'I Am'."
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
John 11:25-26 "I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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John 14:6 "I am the truth, the way, and the life: no one comes to the Father, but by me."
John 17:5 "And now, O Father, give me glory in thy presence, the same glory I had with thee before the world was made."
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 9:6 speaks about the birth of the Messiah. Immanuel from Isaiah 7:14 means "God with us", God came to earth from heaven and incarnated and manifested in the flesh in the person of Yeshua the Messiah. Yeshua HaMashiach is Immanuel meaning Yeshua HaMashiach is The Incarnation of Yahweh.
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
Never in the holy bible Jesus ever said 'I'm god, worship me'. And how is god given birth like a man and from the seed of a man? How can god refuse to be called 'good'? How can god be hungy? How can god be sleepy, who'll take care of the universe when Jesus sleep? The answer is, god. Why did jesus pray to god if he is god? Why did he cry to god if he's god? I'm sorry for the questions but if you want people to believe jesus as god then you need to answer them.
LifesClock 3 years ago
"Never in the holy bible Jesus ever said 'I'm god, worship me'."
Actually, yes he did. He said it in a way that the audience he was speaking to fully understood what he meant (IE. John 10:30).
Additionally, Jesus states that ONLY God is to receive worship (Luke 4:8) and yet he goes on to readily accept worship on no less than 14 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone.
"And how is god given birth like a man and from the seed of a man?"
God was not born. God existed fully in Jesus who was
jorsak 3 years ago
born. Jesus was both fully man and fully God. Philippians 2:5-8 states this plainly.
"How can god refuse to be called 'good'? " Jesus never once stated that he was not good. In fact he DID state that he was Good. (John 10:10)
"How can god be hungy? How can god be sleepy, who'll take care of the universe when Jesus sleep?"
Your questioning here comes from a common misunderstanding of who Jesus was (Your questions resemble Deedat's who also did not understand the nature of Jesus)
jorsak 3 years ago
As I previously mentioned, Jesus was BOTH fully human and fully God. The two natures did not mix but existed in the same being.
God does not sleep, hunger, etc. Jesus, in his humanity, experienced his humanness just as all humans do and thus hungered, thirst, slept, prayed, cried, etc.
What questions then in turn most be answered are the follwing:
If ONLY God is to be worshiped (Luke 4:8) then why did Jesus accept worship on no less than 14 occasions in the Gospel of Matthew alone?
jorsak 3 years ago
If God will not share his Glory with another (Isaiah 42:8), then why does Jesus insist that he receive Glory (John 17:5) and why does he state that the Glory that he wishes to receive from the Father is the Glory that he shared WITH the Father in the beginning.
Only God can forgive sin and yet Jesus states that HE has authority to forgive sin (John 5:22)
Only God gives life and yet Jesus states he gives life to WHOEVER he pleases. (John 5:21)
As you acknowledged earlier, Only God is GOOD and
jorsak 3 years ago
Jesus not only states that he is Good but states that he is THE good shepherd (John 10:10); a title reserved for God (Psalm 23:1)
Only God has authority to give commandments. Yet Jesus seems to think he has the authority to give new commands. (John 13:34)
I could go on and on about how the attributes of Jesus align with that of God.
Salaam,
Joe
jorsak 3 years ago
i dont know how you understand that sentence.but the context is when he is disturbed by the jews,jesus said he and god are one which in this context what i belief is one on purpose.just stating my opinion.
firecracker5958 3 years ago
The context is very simple: The Jews ask Jesus to tell them who he is. (v23)
He states that he has already told them who he is (Referring to John 8:58 when he asserted he was I AM and the Jews then ALSO understood he was claiming divinity.)
He then tells them that since he has already told them before, now his WORKS even testify to who he is.
What are his works? Verse 28. his works are that he gives eternal life. HE gives eternal life.
He then states that HIS SHEEP (since he is THE GOOD
jorsak 3 years ago
Shepherd verse 10) are in HIS hand and no one can take his sheep away from him. Immediately following he states that his sheep are in his FATHER'S hand and no one can take them away from his Father.
HIS SHEEP are simultaneously in HIS HAND and his FATHER'S HAND. How is that possible?
He tells us plainly: I and the Father are ONE.
To assert that it means one in purpose is completely out of context and makes no sense in answering the question at hand.
"Who are you?" One in purpose.
That
jorsak 3 years ago
that would make no sense at all.
"Who are you?" I and the Father are one.
THAT answers the Jews question and makes complete sense. AND it is EXACTLY what his audience understood him to say.
"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." - Verse 33.
It is not complex or difficult. It is completely clear to his audience exactly what he is stating and to attempt to render it as one in purpose is to do so against
jorsak 3 years ago
intellectual honesty in my opinion.
In Chapter 10 we see that Jesus claims to be
"The Good shepherd" (verse 10.)
This is a title reserved for God (Psalm 23) and we know of course that only God is good. (Luke 18:19)
And we see that he asserts the power to give eternal life (Verse 28) and that his hand and his Father's hand are one in the same.
This is a clear assertion of deity.
salaam,
Joe
jorsak 3 years ago
Yeshua HaMashiach was not the first appearance of God in the flesh. It is ridiculous, hypocrisy and insane if you say and think that you can do anything that God can't do. God can do anything according to his will, he can interact with his creation and above all of that God appeared and manifested himself in the flesh many times in the Tanakh (see Genesis 3:8, Genesis 18:1-14, Genesis 32:24-30, Exodus 24:9-11, Joshua 5:13-15, Judges 13:22, Proverbs 30:4).
knightsofstjoan2004 3 years ago
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Jesus said he was/is God when he said I and the Father are one,for the Jews picked up rocks to stone Jesus for claiming to be God
John 10:33
The Jews understood when Jesus said I and the Father are One that it meant Jesus was saying He is God but when you give this proof to Muslims they refute it,why
Because the Koran forbids Muslims to contradict Muh otherwise other Muslims will slaughter them
and that prevents Muslims from seeing and accepting the proof that they pretended they wanted
BonjourNuit9 3 years ago
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On YOUTUBE alone Muslims have over a thousand sites fighting with Christianity
by using deception to attempt to debunk Christianity in order to promote Islam and
that itself proves that Islam is the Anti Christ for Satan is the lies of those who seek to conquer the world through fear,violence,oppression and deception
BonjourNuit9 3 years ago
LUKE 10:
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"
27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]"
28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
letmesee74 3 years ago
luke 10 finsihes off christanity and all its claims.
how one goes to heaven?
by worshipping God and helping others.
no blood sacrifice no trinity. says who ?
a guy caled Jesus.
ooopss JORSAK.
ONCE AGAIN YOUR ON BOOKS REJECTS YOUR CLAIMS LOL.
Now go ahead and quote Paul... the cursed pharsee... your lord. You are a paulian pagan.
letmesee74 3 years ago
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Eh... what do the prophets know?
Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. - Jesus
Ehh... but what does Jesus know.
Clearly Letmesee74 knows more than God.
Care to make anymore idiotic comments oh ye of tremendous vulgarity and profanity?
jorsak 3 years ago
letmesee74 3 years ago
Iniquity by definition from the dictionary:
1. gross injustice or wickedness.
2. a violation of right or duty; wicked act; sin.
SIN
But you also forgot "Transgression"
1. an act of transgressing; violation of a law, command, etc.; sin.
"SIN!"
So Isaiah the prophet clearly states that the Messiah would be "Pierced through" (Hmmm can you say CRUCIFIED) SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR "SIN"
Not so we could "Follow their message" NO WHERE in the scripture does it state that.
jorsak 3 years ago
It states EXACTLY, "But he was pierced FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS (Sin), he was crushed FOR OUR INIQUITIES (Sin);"
So ONCE AGAIN your twisted rendition does not meet either basic English dictionary definition or context.
AND you always seem to forget JESUS' WORDS HIMSELF, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Jesus states HIMSELF that HIS BLOOD is the BLOOD OF THE NEW COVENANT which is POURED OUT....why?? For the FORGIVENESS OF SIN!
jorsak 3 years ago
And your idiotic LUke 10 comment. I know I will face judgement for casting what is holy before swine but I'm sick of seeing it. Of course... having it answered just as with John 17 will mean absolutely nothing. You will continue to open your profane vulgarous mouth and spew forth lies.
OF COURSE JESUS SAID TO FOLLOW THE LAW! Scripture has always taught that, "Sacrifices and offerings or whole burnt-offerings and sin-offerings Thou hast not desired or taken pleasure in" (Hebrews 10:8)
jorsak 3 years ago
Scripture makes clear, "Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams." 1 Samuel 15:22
TO OBEY IS BETTER but NO MAN CAN FULFILL THE LAW!
THAT is why Jesus said he must become the SIN SACRIFICE! That is why his OWN MOUTH STATED IT and WHY YOU HAVE NO REBUTAL TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHOM YOU WILL KNEEL BEFORE!
jorsak 3 years ago
when GOD talks about sin in the Bible... what is the word God uses ?
the word is SIN.
Word used in ISAIAH 53 IS?
YES IS?
INIQUITY... YES YOU QUOTED IT AND YOU SHOULD KNOW.
Jesus , John suffered on account of our 'gross injustice or wickedness'.
this pretty much ends your case once again that jesus came to die for our sins.
JOHN 17-4 STILL UNANSWERED.
Keep yourself ina state of denial. well done.
letmesee74 3 years ago
"when GOD talks about sin in the Bible... what is the word God uses ? the word is SIN."
Ummm... no.
Transgression, Iniquity, Unrighteousness, there are SO MANY words that God uses to describe "Sinful" behavior like you exhibit here with your continued vulgarity and profanity and anyone who can use a DICTIONARY knows that (Which I know you don't seem to bother with to often.)
There are so many passages in scripture that interchange those words it is not even funny.
jorsak 3 years ago
IE.
"Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the LORD' — and you forgave the guilt of my sin." - Psalm 32:5
The Psalmist "Acknowledges" his sin and did not cover up his INIQUITY. Iniquity = Sin.
The Psalmist confesses his TRANSGRESSION and the LORD FORGIVES HIS SIN. Transgression = Sin.
By standard English Dictionary definition "iniquity" and "Transgression" BOTH are SYNONYMOUS with SIN. Looking at the Hebrew
jorsak 3 years ago
we see "Pesha" for transgression. The Hebrew dictionary states, "Sin, a trespass, wickedness, rebellion, faithlessness." So the VERY FIRST WORD in the definition shoots down your argument. Looking at the Hebrew word for iniquity we see the word "Avown". The definition by the Hebrew Dictionary states, "a depraved action, perversity, SIN, quilt, crime, a fault." By English dictionary or by Hebrew dictionary your argument holds NO WATER.
And don't forget that the CONTEXT of this conversation
jorsak 3 years ago
is the PROOF that the LORD GOD made it perfectly clear through every means that the Messiah was to be the SIN OFFERING and BY HIS OFFERING ALONE are we freed from the debt of sin. "5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed."
Even if I were to insert your inappropriate definition "Lack of Justice" for iniquity it is still clear that The Messiah was PIERCED and CRUSHED
jorsak 3 years ago
for your LACK OF JUSTICE. And to make it PERFECTLY CLEAR:
"10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,"
The Lord MAKES IS HIS LIFE A GUILT OFFERING.
It is spelled out for you in simple English that his LIFE is a GUILT offering.
So in EVERY SINGLE WAY IMAGINEABLE your argument is completely and totally debunked.
jorsak 3 years ago
you have admire the desparation here of Jorsak. dictionary!
the main meaning of the word iniquity is
gross injustice or wickedness.
as quoted by the paulian pagan jorsak.
in addition it can also include sin and other stuff.
Trust Jorsak to takt the meaning which suits his faith. Its okay ... desparation does that to people.
the word SIN has been used throughout the Bible.
and when the CORE of supposablly the true faith is about to be told... God uses the word iniquity
letmesee74 3 years ago
taking the MAIN meaning if iniquity.... that is LACK OF JUSTICE....
the verse again pretty much ends up the case of christantiy... ..again.
no surprise there.
But jorsak is not going to use that... why?
the usual.
the Bible has to agree with Jorsak and Jorsak does not have to agree with the Bible.
Brilliant.
letmesee74 3 years ago
And I know you are ever so desparate to turn attention to some spurious falacious argument regarding "iniquity" that doesn't even make it past basic dictionary definiton but the simple fact of the matter is that the CONTEXT of this verbal trouncing you've received is the simple PLAIN FACT that God placed the INQUITY AND TRANSGRESSION ON JESUS!
And no matter what fairy tale definition you want to try and anscribe to the word Jesus was still made a "GUILT OFFERING."
jorsak 3 years ago
"10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering,"
The Lord MAKES IS HIS LIFE A GUILT OFFERING.
It is spelled out for you in simple English that his LIFE is a GUILT offering.
So in EVERY SINGLE WAY IMAGINEABLE your argument is completely and totally debunked.
So every single argument of yours has been completely and utterly shut down.
jorsak 3 years ago
No go right back to your juvenile re-assertion of the already debunked arguments claiming they've never been answered and toss in some of your usual profanity while you're at it.
Show yourself to be what you are; profane, vulgar, lying, blasphemer.
jorsak 3 years ago
"the main meaning of the word iniquity is"
LOL! You're truly pathetic. English Dictionary, Hebrew Dictionary, Scripture, none of it agrees with you.
You just state that it is an expect someone to believe you.
Your profoundity for idiocy is only dwarfed by your vulgarity and profanity.
Go back to 7th grade and try to convince someone there who will be impressed by your vulgar mouth and childish rebutal.
jorsak 3 years ago
Isaiah 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Eh... what do the prophets know?
Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. - Jesus
Ehh... but what does Jesus know.
Clearly Letmesee74 knows more than God.
Care to make anymore idiotic comments oh ye of tremendous vulgarity and profanity?
jorsak 3 years ago
So when Jesus told us to forgive others, did he mean that we should punish them and then forgive? Define for me then, Scholar Jorsak, what is 'forgiveness'? So then Jesus lied? Was Jesus unjust when he forgave the adulteress? He didn't have her punished. Perhaps u are wiser than the one u worship... or perhaps u speak of things that u understand nothing of.
Summadat 3 years ago
You are confusing forgiveness and judgement my friend.
Of course we are to forgive as Jesus says but judgement for the sake of salvation and eternal punishment does not belong to us and is not within our power or authority.
Plenty of people have suffered the loss of a family member to a murderer for example and have FORGIVEN that individual. Yet, they still sit in prison. Why? Because Judgement is separate from forgiveness. While forgiven, the person still must pay their debt.
jorsak 3 years ago
Can any learned christian quote any place where Jesus said "worship me" or "I am god" or something tantamount to it? Again, Jesus, in no uncertain terms told the people to worship God alone. Jorsak, as to how u amount that to mean that Jesus was talking about himself is even beyond Jesus himself; as on the Day of Judgment, he will deny all those things u attributed to him. And surely u will come to know about those horrible transgressions.
Summadat 3 years ago
Moses, "Who shall I say sent me?"
God, "I AM!" (Exodus 3:14)
Jews speaking to Jesus, "Tell us plainly who you are." (John 8:53)
Jesus, "I AM! (John 8:58)
It is plainly stated.
Jesus told Satan, "Worship (Proskeneo) the Lord your God and serve him only." (Luke 4:8)
And then he went on to receive Worship (Proskeneo) on 20+ occasions in Matthew alone.
Jesus allowed his disciples to Address him directly as "My Lord and My God." (John 20:28)
Jesus referred to himself as one who
jorsak 3 years ago
"was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." which comes from Daniel 7:13-14 when he was asked directly by the High priest, "Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?" He quoted, "I AM. And 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming with the clouds of heaven.'"
jorsak 3 years ago
which, as I said comes from Daniel 7:13-14 where in the Son of man is described as I quoted.
It is plainly evident to anyone who is not predisposed to disbelief by the blinders that their faith has put over their eyes that Jesus communicated his deity.
His disciples most certainly attributed it to him and even as early as 110AD external to the Bible it is recorded that Christians worshipped Jesus as God. (See pliny the younger writing to Emperor Trajan.)
Any honest study of history
jorsak 3 years ago
and the scriptures reveals that clearlt.
Having said all that Jesus did NOT come to [rove to you that He was God in the Flesh although it is stated plainly (John 1:1, John 1:14, Philippians 2:5-8).
He came to die for your sins.
He states plainly, "The Son of Man will be betrayed into human hands. They will kill him, but after being dead for three days he will be raised."
And he tells you EXACTLY why he did it, "for the forgiveness of sins." - Matthew 26:28.
jorsak 3 years ago
Additionally, You state "as on the Day of Judgment, he will deny all those things u attributed to him. And surely u will come to know about those horrible transgressions."
Really? Think about that. Thomas addressed Jesus to HIS FACE as "My LORD and MY GOD." (John 20:28). (Exactly as I address him.) Now, did Jesus comdemn him and convict him o fhis horrible transgression?
No. Not at all. Jesus responds, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have
jorsak 3 years ago
not seen and yet have believed."
And when he COMMENDED thomas for calling him "My LORD and MY GOD" he COMMENDED me even MORE for believing that but not seeing it with my own eyes.
jorsak 3 years ago
That's right folks! God cannot forgive us unless he kills himself first. Similarly, if u want to spare ur child punishment, u gotta kill urself...unless u just warn the child- either way, the child gets off the hook. Now which would u choose?
Summadat 3 years ago
What you do not understand is that God is perfectly Just as well as perfectly merciful.
If God arbitraily forgives your sin with no recourse and no punishment, then he is not a JUST God.
If a man killed my child and we stood before a judge and the judge had seen the evidence and the man was guilty and then said, "I forgive this man" and no punishment was given to the man, then the judge would be horribly unjust.
God provided YOU a way that your sin was paid for - justice had been met
jorsak 3 years ago
and the mercy of God shown; a perfect blend of Justice AND mercy.
And thus JESUS said HIMSELF from HIS OWN MOUTH, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Now, you can choose to reject his payment for your sins and you will stand in judgement before him and will be cast into hell for eternity to be separated from him for that rejection of payment made.
It is your choice.
jorsak 3 years ago
"My blood of the covenant..." and u take that literally? But he also talked about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. But u don't take that literally eh? Why didn't his followers eat him and drink his blood too? Perhaps some things were figurative. But you wouldn't understand much- u read a lot but for a gross miscompensation.
Summadat 3 years ago
You stated, "My blood of the covenant..." and u take that literally?"
You are attempting to make metaphorical that which does not matter whether it is metaphorical.
There has long since been an inhouse debate in Christianity whether the wne is LITERALLY transformed (Called Transubstantiation) into his blood and the bread LITERALLY transformed into his body.
I do not believe that the items are LITERALLY transformed into his blood and body. OWEVER, that is not what we are talking about.
jorsak 3 years ago
In ALL of Christianity it is absolutely agreed on that whether the OBJECT (Wine) is literal or metaphorical, it is clear that what he used the object to communicate is literal.
You are trying to focus the argument on "This is my blood" when up to this point what has been the object of discussion is, "which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."
Jesus made it clear that he died FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Whether the object was methaphorical or literal doesn't matter.
jorsak 3 years ago
Jesus was sent to the cross because he claimed he was God
he rose from the dead witnessed by many to prove it just so that Jesus could teach his apostles that Jesus is God who is with all people on earth to guide them and that was the mission of the apostles to go to teach others God himself is with you to guide you but only true prophets could know this and Muhammad was a false prophet who taught Jesus didn't die on the cross
BonjourNuit8 3 years ago
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No prophet was to come after Jesus
Deedat was a Muslim and Muslims were taught Jesus was not God
but God said he would come into humanform to die on the cross to which he did and he did so to prove He was and is God who alone is with all people closer to them then their own jugluar vein for God knew when peoeple understood that God alone guides people best and when people themselves experienced God,it would end sufferings and restore the world back to true paradise
BonjourNuit8 3 years ago
As no prophet was to come after Jesus except false ones which you will know by their teachings.
Muhammad taught Jesus didn't die on the cross when Christianity only came into existence after Jesus claimed he was God was sent to the cross where he rose from the dead
Jesus is God and that is why he will return for Judgement day
BonjourNuit8 3 years ago
...and reject you as he warns you about in your book when he says "on that day i shall say to you i never knew you get away from me!"
PathTooIslam 3 years ago
Pathtooislam Jesus will say to Muhammad,to Deedat,to Naik, to terrorists,I never knew you, away you evil doers!
your lips praise me but your hearts are far removed from me
For Muhammad by his deceptions stole God's children from God depriving them of true paradise
Muh put such terror of God into them and of other Muslims which is something only Satan would do
Muh taught hate the infidel,who is evil when the infidel submits to God,believes in only one God but knows Muh was a false prophet
BonjourNuit8 3 years ago
hmm...what?
thera are three types of christians in this world and you are one of them.
1. fundamentalist: CANT EVEN READ
2. those who know how to read but choose NOT to read it and instead say "islam is evil blablabla"
3. educated christians: THEY LEAVE THE RELIGION!!! they dont belive in a bible that tells them to sell there daugthers as whores,that tells them that slavery is fine,that tells them the sun rotates around the eart, ETC!! PRODUCE YOUR PROOF IF YOU ARE TRUTHFUL!!
PathTooIslam 3 years ago
Pathtooislam there is only one type of Muslim
Deceived
as Islam is the only religion on earth that begins with a false prophet who proved it himself by his false teachings
BonjourNuit8 3 years ago
can you tell me ONE thing, and just ONE thing that the prophet has taught us that is wrong and not taugh by your religion. Just ONE thing and i will leave islam TODAY!! ONE THING! that is a challenge from me to you and you can not ignore it because we have witnesses in here! ONE THING that proves Muhammad is false! ONE THING!!!
Ruellian 3 years ago
Jesus states that the spilling of his blood is for the forgiveness of sin, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:28.
Please confirm for me that Mohamed teaches that Jesus' Blood was spilled for the sins of mankind. Please confirm for me in any way that atonement occurs be Jesus' blood alone.
Jesus states, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but through me."
Please confirm for me that Mohamed
jorsak 3 years ago
believes that Jesus is THE WAY to get to the Father and that through him alone will you get to the Father. (please keep in mind that Jesus states it is his BLOOD that was spilled for the forgiveness of man. This WAY that he referred to was the forgiveness that his blood brings.)
jorsak 3 years ago
Ruellian welcome to Christianity may you always know and experience God's love and personal guidance for you
Muh said Islam is the Light that will take you out of the darkness into the light, Jesus said I am the Light of the world he who follows me will not walk in darkness
Muh said God is the beginning and the end and Jesus said Jesus is the beginning and the end
Muh said Jesus didn't die on the cross and that Jesus was only a prophet but Jesus rose from the dead to prove he was God
BonjourNuit8 3 years ago
There are two types of Muslims:
#1. Those who are deceived by Satan and fly planes into buildings, blow trains up, nightclubs, cars, etc., killing innocent people.
#2. Those who are just deceived by Satan.
Care to make another conjectrual argument that will do nothing other than cause more division and animosity between those who post here?
jorsak 3 years ago
GENESIS 49-10 is the last prophet and it can not be from JUDAH.
Jesus was from JUDAH and hence canrt be the last LAW OF GOD and cant be the last prophet.
Muhammed is the spirit of truth and the seal of prophets.
letmesee74 3 years ago
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Is there a SINGLE Muslim here who will say, "Yes, this is my Godly Muslim brother!"
Anyone??? Please speak up for your brother if you support him. Before you do...
"F%$K You" "F%^King idiot" "Go to Hell" These are Letmesee74's WORDS! He is a PATHETIC and UNGODLY excuse for a Muslim.
Grow up and quit your repulsive, ungodly, profane adolescent antics and save EVERYONE your misery.
Matthew 7:6
jorsak 3 years ago
muhammed is the seal of all of you people being lost if you dont open your eyes to the truth
menstraual 3 years ago
do not insult my prophet, it clearly states in ur books that muhammed pbuh will be comming, after him there r no more prophets.
sultaneid 4 years ago
Please elaborate on where it says that Mohamed was coming after j]Jesus.
jorsak 4 years ago
go check out deedat's "Muhammed(pbuh) in the bible" where sheikh deedat explains how the name "Muhammed" was to some extent translated. i think u have seen it since i fi