The left is fragmented, and dissorganised?. They have no credible party to organise around?.Most of the left wing downloads, attract very little interest.Most of the working classes, support capitalism.The momentum is with the right.Nigel Farage is getting 500,000 hits?.The left is loosing the argument?The working classes are moving to the right,
Can any SWP supporters help me out with something? Why do the far-Left seems to want to help Muslims Islamicise Britain? Aren't the far-Left supposed to be atheist? Or do you support totalitarianism whether it is communism or Islam? My theory is that the far-Left support Islam because Muslims are of non-European ethnicity and the far-Left are scared that not helping Muslims Islamicise Britain would be 'racist'. I am I right?
@wodenswisdom No, you are not right. They do not support theocracy. Socialists and communists by definition support a secular political structure. That does not require that a socialist or communist be ahtiest, just the recognition that religion has no place in politics. They demand justice for all opressed groups, and since Muslims in the UK are collectively persecuted due to the actions of a few, they are seen as an opressed group whose rights need to be defended.
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 That is the paradox I am trying to understand. Communists/socialists claim that they are atheist, but seem to have established an alliance with Islamists. Marx was atheist since he was an ardent materialist and claimed that religion was a symptom of alienation. The fact is that Muslims are not a persecuted group. They are part of an imperialist religion/ideology that threatens to eventually destroy indigenous non-Muslims cultures everywhere. What about indigenous rights?
@wodenswisdom You will not find Marxist groups supporting any calls for Islamic (or any) theocratic regime, it would be a contradiction in terms. Groups Marxists support that advocate just treatment of Muslims, and opposing overseas adventures, do not equal "Islamists", and neither do all Muslims. As for indigenous rights, that means different things in different socities and you would need to elaborate a bit on that one.
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 Marxist groups may not intentionally seek an Islamic society but if they are not careful they may help create the space for one- law of unintended consequences. What is 'just' treatment of Muslims? Not resisting the Islamification of Britain? Surely not allowing indigenous Britons cultural self-defence is unjust? By 'overseas adventures' I assume you mean Iraq and Afghanistan - the BNP opposed those too...
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 ...I know that most Muslims may not agree with the TACTICS of the Islamists, but I have never heard a Muslim argue that the Islamisation of Britain should be halted out of respect for the indigenous population. It seems there is a tacit agreement amongst the Muslim population that Britain should be Islamic.
'Indigenous rights' means rights of indigenous populations. In Britains case this means the people commonly referred to as 'white', or West European Indo-Europeans.
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If you are a cognisant socialist you will fight against creeping Islamism as manfully as you strive against consumerism and the free market. Until contempoary socialism demarcates a line in the sand for egalitarianism, redistribution of wealth and the mandatory secularism of the state it will continue to be monopolised by these casuistic opportunists and demagogues. "Away with all your superstitions" -The Internationale.
@personatoobject What has that to do with the video. The speaker is protesting against police brutality of the poor and ethnic minorities. He does not mention Islam, or is this an SWP = RESPECT rant?
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 The only reason you don't say "religious" minorities is because it would prove my point you tedious, relativistic lefty muppet. In the name of vote-garnering, these arseholes have abandoned the project of socialism and become revisionists by getting into bed with ideas that should be their antithesis. They and you are lucky I'm not calling them stupid, I'm calling them willful, malicious opportunistic turncoats.
Lol, the SWP complaining about violence is like Saddam Hussein complaining about getting an unfair trial. The SWP is responsible about 90% of the time when peaceful protests are hijacked by these vandals.
The SWP will do anything they can to damage people's jobs, destroy lives, (like when they stormed Acas to break up union negotiations) . They are the biggest bunch of prats in Britain today.
Police brutality? In Britain? Does this idiot even know the meaning of the word?? Britain probably has the most peaceful, non-violent police forces in the world...
martin smith the criminals are all your familly! THE JEWS!!!!! the bankers, mps etc are Jews just like the mafia is and your murdering Communist relative Jews. You HATE white people! Dont be conned by this man
Tell you one thing! This fella has never met any coppers. maybe he should watch Costa del Sol Street Crime. Then he would see some proper police brutality!
I think it's a little unfair to say Islam is any more despotic or fascistic than Christianity or Judaism-but Martin Smith is a fruitcake. He might as well join fucking Class War. Great appeal to class unity, you swoppy cunt.
A stuttering, spluttering hunchback with a massive chip on those bizarre shoulders. The guy is a complete fruitcake, thick as shit and seriously deranged.
These are people that openly call for the stoning and punishment of gay people, adulterers and apostates; people who believe that women are inferior to men in every way and as such deserve less rights; people who disagree with our duty as a liberal democracy to stand by people being tyrannised by fanatical despots and fascistic regimes. Now you tell me, can you not see how this is a blatant betrayal of true socialist principles? Nutjobs like the SWP have turned the left into a bad joke.
@MyOroInvictus Not to mention the fact that the SWP (along with you and your pathetic attempts to defend the bigoted, fascistic cult that is Islam) demonstrate a perfect definition of the word hypocrisy. They justifiably attack ultranationalist, right wing reactionary scum bags like the BNP, yet see no problem sharing platforms with, and in some cases declaring outright sympathy with fanatical, reactionary groups such as the Muslim brotherhood, that are of the ultra-right!
@MyOroInvictus But the SWP do not care about the working class because the vast majority of them have never done a proper days work in their life. So how can they possibly know anything about the life of the working wo(man). They are simply middle class agitators who only associate themselves with socialism and left wing politics in a vein attempt to gain credibility. They're just looking for something to do while they're bored between lectures and they're student loan money runs out. Face it.
@MyOroInvictus Are you for real? The SWP is made up of the predictable rabble of wooly jumpered wearing, Guardian reading, placard waving students who have no clue about what they are fighting for and are led by brainless, moronic clowns like Martin Smith. In other words, the complete antithesis of working class culture and values. Working class people have nothing to sell but their labour, and to protect their rights and dignity should be a fundamental part of any functioning democracy.
@MyOroInvictus .So i take it that you want this evil cult to dominate the World...as you seem to say nothing against it....It is very much like Islamification thats happening now..They came first for the Communists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for meand by that time no one was left to speak up.
@MyOroInvictus ...Im afraid you would lose your bet then.Iam not racist and have never been racist.....But i do not agree with Islam...its a very dangerous and oppressive ideology and i do not want to see sharia law in this Country...yet it is here in some muslim communities.If you dear to criticze Islam they are the frist on the streets wanting to sly or behead you..It is not a religion of peace.And this ideology wants to dominate the world...
Martin Smith and his bunch of scruffy work shy,muslim loving,no hope layabouts in the SWP....are nothing but a set of brain dead twats,that are no use to society and this country
@546803 just like the EDL then if thats the case bone idle good for nothing racist thugs with nothing else better to do than attack innocent people simply because of thier race colour or creed just shows how little intelligence you people in the EDL have
@G0UDG ...What the fuck are you on about..The EDL are against Muslim extremists...its got nothing to do with race,colour or creed...How can you be racist about an ideology.....tell me do you support these Muslim extemists that call for Sharia law,that want to suppress women,kill homosexuals,public beatings and beheadings,no freedom of speech.......get a fucking grip and stop wanking to pictures of Martin Smith......
@546803 EDL are racist violent thugs my 4 year old godson has more intelligence than the lot of you,and as regards you lot being only against islamic extremists that BS and you know it you hate everything that is not british or racist and do not seem to have the abilty to protest in a peacful manner always blaming others for your violence when we have plenty of evidence to prove you lot are guilty as sin for most of it
@546803 as an active member of NORSCARF I have been on many of your so called "DEMO'S" and whitnessed nothing but mindless racist chanting and violence you then have the cheek to go online blaming other people for your actions when we have loads of proof to show your real side which is not just against islamic extremists and well you know it you racist Nazi scum
@G0UDG ..Again i will ask you how can you be racist about an ideology..muslim is not a race.Most of the violence comes from your scummy freeks...so you are saying none of your UAF and Socialist Workers and Muslim freinds have never thrown missiles,bottles,beating 1 or 2 youths up that are on their own..And as you well know there are plants from your lot (UAF ) that try and infiltrate the EDL then try to course trouble and make the EDL look bad giving the odd nazi salute.EDL Black and White Unite
@G0UDG ...And i take it you support these Muslim extremists that want sharia law and want to oppress women ,and kill homosexuals...that would be most of the Socilist Workers Party wiped out if they had their way
Why don't the working class work anymore? You like the trappings of wealth which you so expunge, you've never done a days work in you lives! Working to rule, doing the minimum asked, knowing employment law inside out so you can get a tribunal on a technicality or strike! Is that what made this counry great?!! No! your kids are sleeping in a warm house, claiming benefits while wanking on their play stations paid for by us, the hard working true people of this country! U DONT KNOW YOUR BORN CUNTS
The problem is with socialists is they think they are automatically entitled to everything around them. If any one tells them other wise they tend to use class war or cultural differences to defend their selves.
I am a disabled person with a genetic disease and I have been in/out of college all my life. I admire working people who support me and I will soon join them as a hard working baker.
I will always vote conservative because they have always repaired the economy!
And did they take action against this organization when their supporters hit a man in the head with a claw hammer, when UAF supporters threw darts at people and we filmed doing it, fucking double standatrds, ok for this guy and his supporters to attack people because of the political party they follow but not ok when the shoe is on the other foot. Yeh Yeh shout your crap about government then attack a political party that would do what which this guy is requesting
this man needs to go and complete primary school. and needs instructions on how to operate a shower. this man thinks he is equal to all in society and yet he clearly shows himself as a little man who supports che gurevara, an argentinian mass murderer who organised firing squads for civilians. just because he saw him on a shirt and thought "hey she's sexy!" no pun intended
Martin the 'mincer' Smith is a prize wanker. I hope to see him get the shit kicked out of his baffoon ass one day live at a pathetic demo like this. He is a UAF laughing stock, in fact this useless four eyed wanker sums up the pathetic UAF, and idiotic SWP. FUCK OFF to CUBA you prick.
Martin 'Quasimodo' Smith, the sex-hunk, calling for violence against the police. Yet the UAF/SWP asks that very same police to come down like a ton of bricks on the EDL and also to 'protect Muslims'! -
This Geezer chats absolutly shit, he did the arcticle on the march through Dudley anti chatted bollocks about the EDL, he needs really to kill himself as his morals are all in the wrong order he, I DONTY WANT MOSQUE'S, I DONT WANT TO LIVE SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE 3RD GENERATION SCUM OF PAKI'S, AND IN HEINSIGHT ILL LIVE IN A BETTER PLACE......
@hallucinogenical RACIST english delinquent league retard we stopped you in stoke we stopped you in dudley and bradford and every other town and city you tried to peddle your message of hate we will stop you again long live democracy NAZI scum off our streets
martin smith is a traitor to britain. he wants immigration and non white people in britain. scumbag, arrest the bastard. this bastard organises violence by muslims against homecoming british troops of the east anglia regiment. he is a uaf scumbag.
The Socialist Workers Party claim to be leftist and anti-imperialist, but have been openly to sympathetic to the Taliban, Hamas, Hezballah and a whole host of extremist, right wing, despotic and imperialist movements and regimes.
They are also about as working class as a glass of Pimms.
I consider myself a leftist but find these people utterly contemptible. No wonder the Socialist movement in Britain is such a mess with these jokers at the helm.
@y559djr They believe in Islmaic domiantion of the middle east and Palestine and to want annihilate Israel. They may fight against the imperialist elements of the zionist movement but I they are just as bad. The so called "socialists" who glorify and sympathise with these religious facists are contradcting what socialism i supposed to stand for.
@strepsil08 -Quite right. They should be called 'Socialist Non-Workers Party'. They despise the British white working class, with whom they have nothing in common. That's why they support free immigration into Britain, which lowers wages, creates a shortage of housing, and increases the strain on the NHS and social services.
They are nothing but a pack of neurotic workshy graduates with fantasies of one day being a humourless commissar for people to fear.
@strepsil08 The SWP has never supported the Taliban or Hamas. Hizbullah are a Nationalist freedom fighting movement. A genuine National Liberation movement. You have no idea what you are talking about.
@strepsil08 That's absolutely right. I consider myself a left leaning democrat and republican, an outright communist to the Tories these muppets so deplore. Why have the objectives of socialism and the expansionistic desert cults become conflated we wonder? Because these chanpagne-trendy-lefties recognised they were becoming obsolete and wanted to capitalise on the vitality of theocratic lunatics attempting to subvert the very rights these cretins claim as their entitlement. Despicable.
but the BNP only want democracy for a few - those that share the white race, they aren't parliamentarians like other party's they are a fascist party that don't want anything to do with democracy, didn't we learn from hitler?
I know the BNP are wankers but so is he. If BNP are like Hitler etc then this guy is like Stalin simple really. Hate filled politicians are one's who if in power become dictators. The BNP are twats but they have elcetoeal representation, does Smith and the Socialist Workers Party have any no.
Your right enough, sometimes I think the far left and far right are just as bad as each other, but the SWP aren't a threat, they are crumbling from the inside - all they want to do is sell their little newspaper, the BNP are a threat however.
the bnp are only a threat because the other parties arent tackling the immigration issue, people keep banging on about the bnp growing but there never gona get power, if a main party took the issue head on thn that would ruin the bnp
But there is no real issue with immigration, figures have only grown very slightly and immigrants actually create jobs by spending money - they have a positive effect on the supply and demand chain, the British people are told otherwise by the right wing media.
yes spending stimulates the economy of course but is putting british people out of work a positive thing, and dont come back at me with they take the jobs no1 wants bullshit, theres loads of people out there who wud do anything for any job right now but wen sum1 can work for a quater of the price we havnt got a chance im a builder i know what im talking about in my industry i see it time and again im not blaming immigrants im blaming the government for having an open door policy for yrs
like what? What possible "cultural" problems does immigration cause?
This is the thing, British people aren't being "pushed" out of work because of immigrants, yes, often employers try and hire migrant workers to try and exploit them, but I think you'll find that immigrants to the UK have a far higher rate of qualifications and therefore are a better deal to hire.
Labour have not had an open door policy, the points based system is too much for the left and too little for the right.
yn a points system which came into effect wot last yr!? letting in 300,000 poles thn having a points system maybe shutting the door before the horse has bolted do u not think? immigrants have a far higher rate of education? in the job i do they are not on the same planet in terms and skill and experience its just money talks my experience on immigrant builders, hard working, cheap but very poor standard of work, the problem comes with mass immigrations thats been goin on for far to long
you can't tar all immigrants with the same brush, they all arrive for different reasons. Mass immigration is a very overused term in the UK, the truth is - immigration numbers to Britain are low - especially in comparison to other EU, countries, without immigrants, the NHS wouldn't survive and there would be less jobs created.
u cant tar all immigrants with the same brush? didnt u say ALL immigrants are more qualified than british workers? haha, i was commenting on my business what i see everyday which i think im very qualified to talk about and im my experience as a builder immigrant workers on the whole arent better than british workers, there standard of work is much lower but there alot cheaper
you talk about immigrants as if they are an object. Yes, immigrants that come here have a higher percentage of qualifications than British people. Celts, Saxons and Vikings all came to Britain as the result of various invasions, making the British the most ethnically composite of all European peoples.
What we did to other nations in the past is now being forgotten
i dont care what we did in the past to other nations because that isnt involved in this arguement is it? wots colonialism got to do with mass migration in the uk 2010? fuck all, fuckin liberals like you are all the same u live in a fluffy land of fairies and wizards u dont live in the real world and wheneva i make a point u change the conversation, im not talking saxons celts im talking here and now the past decade of immigration, im not a bnp member, i dont hate the bnp im just not bothered
im was an economice student 4 5yrs i know wot economic benefits a bigger population brings but ur looking at the situation wiv only tht view, to say immigrants dont put brits out of work is rubbush they do IN MY industry, in health no they dont but when a big number of workers flood the market as wot happened a few yrs ago with the poles, british builders lost out because polish firms charged a huge amount less, i dont blame the polish workers theyve bin exploited i blame the government
the competition for low labour costs among local businesses that the Agencies (gangmasters) are now cutting corners and committing tax fraud as well as other questionable practices. The outcome of this is of course is that it is the workers who are exploited.
Foreign workers are short-changed by having illegal deductions taken from their wages and local people are priced out of the job market for the simple reason that they are financially better off on benefits.
i agree in the respect that labour hands out way to much money on benefits i know people who r better off on benefits thn workering, some people having more kids just for more benefit money i hink we need to re address that issue big time i wudnt give people anything who havnt bothered to find work during the boom years
the competition for low labour costs among local businesses that the Agencies (gangmasters) are now cutting corners and committing tax fraud as well as other questionable practices. The outcome of this is of course is that it is the workers who are exploited.
Foreign workers are short-changed by having illegal deductions taken from their wages and local people are priced out of the job market for the simple reason that they are financially better off on benefits.
to be honest i dont like having debates on immigration wiv scots because as far as i can see when i go up 2 scotland your country, society hasnt changed much thru mass immigration, partly because uve never had alot of immigrants compared to england, ur a nation on 5 million, we are 60 million. has any1 cancelled st andrews day in scotland because it offends immigrants? thats the sort of things thats happening here when i talk of social problems it causes that sort of thing is what im on about
that particular St. George's parade was cancelled following police advice that the safety of the public, it was nothing to do with "immigrants" as you keep mentioning.
the figures for 2008 dont show mass immigration becasue we're in a recession and alot of people have gone back but are u saying 300,000 eastern european workers coming in to the country in a short space of time isnt mass? plus that isnt taking into account the figures for asylum seekers, i know wens theres a massive influx of workers in my industry dont tell me there wasnt a couple of yrs ago i wud call that mass
out of the 30 million people in employment, 26 million are UK born.
However, this means that those who are UK born may be of a different race to you and I, if you believe that these people are taking your jobs then I think that me and you have a different idea of an "immigrant".
that particular St. George's parade was cancelled following police advice that the safety of the public, it was nothing to do with "immigrants" as you keep mentioning.
wot was the public saefty issue there? where is the public safety issue with cancelling the nativity in school? its alot different in scotland thn england uve never had had mass immigration like we hav there are more people in yorkshire thn the whole of scotland for fuck sake, the only real big immigration uve had is irish and look wot a negitive effect thats had on ur country, sectarianism no community cohesion ect.
Your right on that part - Scotland has not had the same amount of migration, this, I accept.
However, I spent a considerable amount of time in Birmingham when I was younger, so I do realize that multiculturalism allows different races to live in cohesion.
However, I do not accept the word "mass" and "immigration" in the same sentence, when figures prove that it's simply not the case.
living in birmingham u surely must notice the seperate communities, multiculturalism doesnt allow rases to live in cohesion it allows them to live in seperation, down to government policy, u want ur own courts fine, you want ur own schools fine, you want seperate banking system fine we're multicultural and we want to celebrate ur culture where u came from because ours isnt worth celebrating and isnt worth integrating u into
Race is completely irrelevant in most people's eyes, as is religion.
Government policy is none of what you have stated. As far as the Government knows, there are NO legally operated sharia courts in the UK - know me and you both know this is not true, but the Government will not allow sharia rule in the United Kingdom.
then why in birmingham are there places like small heath a nearly completely muslim area, othe area which are mainly white others mainly sikh, is that integration?
Of course it's not, some communities prefer to stay as they are or for whatever reason can not mix, there are a number of different reasons for this.
You are always going to get areas that are mainly something - Small Heath is over 50% Pakistani, and 22% of people are of white British origin. This is down to a number of things including white flight and what jobs exist.
There are 3.8 million non UK-born workers in the UK, according to the UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) February release on employment. This is an increase of 214,000 in the year to December 2008. The number of UK-born workers fell by 278,000 to 25.6 million, while unemployment was at a 10-year high at 1.97 million.
The police have a duty to call off any events that may put public safety in trouble - the council on advice of the police didn't want a repeat of the race riots that occurred in 2001.
of course but ur not facing facts, labour had an open door policy when the new eu member states came in, they underestimated the number that wud cum to britain by over 200,000, im just going to say this one last thing, the industry i work in british companies were put out of work, people lost their jobs, because the poles cud undercut them, so IN THE INDUSTRY I WORK IN immigrants put english people out of work
In my area, I'll be the first to admit - we have not been affected my immigration at all.
But this doesn't mean we are a "whites only" area, it simply means that immigrants follow labour, and in my area, there are not many job opportunities, in the city, there are.
well english builders wont work for minimum wage, we used to get shit money 20 yrs ago but now we get alrite money and deservedly so because we do a hard job that takes yrs to perfect, wot ul hav is for example a council will say we want a price for say doing up 100 council houses, because poles will except minimum wage there price is considerably cheaper thn what english firms can charge, some english firms had a poles only work policy because it keeps costs down, my friend works on the .......
....olympic site and he says most of the workers on the site are non british, u cant say to me there filling the jobs nobody wants because theres thousands of builders out there who wud love a job on the olympic site but cannot compete with non british workers, why are the government bringing in non uk workers for the olympic site.......because its cheaper labour, fuck our own people basically
The highest number of "immigrants" to the UK are from the Republic of Ireland: 494,850 a year, but nobody claims that they are foreigners, it seems to be a race thing with a lot of people.
Workers follow capital to the most developed areas to meet the demand for wage labour in urban centres of capitalist expansion. In the process they attempt to escape poverty and unemployment in areas where capitalism is in decline, or where it has failed to take off altogether.
the difference is that the irish are very similar to the english, same language, same religion, value the same things in life, free speech democratic values so they fit in with the english way of life, its never about race, do you think people dont like someone because there skin is darker? thats rubbish, obviously there are some v narrow minded people who think tht but tht doesnt make up the population
u hav a bit in the west of scotland but thats with irish protestants and irish catholic immigrants that not immigrants fighting with the original population
indigenous? superior race? wheres this bollocks coming from? maybe ur just one of these people who think any1 who disagrees wiv mass immigration is a nazi skinhead get real u idiot. but places like glasgow are a good example of the trouble immigration can cause, the violence, the hatred the sectarianism that happens in places like glasgow wudnt be there if u never had immigration, irish problems transferred onto scottish soil u mite say
the stuff he comes out with is bullshit, he's a violent man who incites violence, saying about ian thomlinson why was he pushed to the floor? because he was part of a mob smashing up a city centre for no gd reason pathetic, they shot that brazilian guy because he had different colour skin? u honestly believe that! his uaf group has attacked police officers, he says he doeserves the right to protest without interference when he doesnt give that right to other people
I think you need to read more, he wasn't part of the demonstration you fool. He was an innocent person, who happened to walk past the police, with his hands in his pockets. The police are a fucking disgrace.
Yes, i do believe that the police are racist.
The Union Jack is the flag of oppression, fuck nationalism, I'm about internationalism.
the police pushed him to the ground, they hardly stamped over his head or used it as a football, things like this happen ok wrong place at the wrong time i fort he was part of the demo. i didnt ask u if the police are racist, i asked if they shot the brazilian guy because of the colour of his skin? fuck nationalism? does that make u anti english?
When i listened to this video again, it hit me, he's absolutely right about everything. The MPs are bigger criminals that anybody.
Yes, i do believe they shot him because he had brown skin.
Yes, nationalism divides working class people, socialism unites us. I hate anything that makes the working class divided.
It's not that I'm anti english, i just look at the bigger picture. The world is a much bigger place than what groups like the BNP would have us believe ;)
so it he wudnt hav had a rucksake he'd have still been shot because he had brown skin? i dont see how nationalism divides working class people, also how many socialists are WORKING CLASS im a builder, i dont know many socialists to go and do a hard days work
so i should embrace my polish builder brother? fuckin rubbish polish builders undercut english builders and is it wrong to say i dont want them here because its more competition for me. the problem i have with your arguement is nationalism can bring people together, look what happeneds when england make the world cup and theres flags flying from windows its nice the country seems to come together for it, just because the bnp jump on nationalism it should spoil it for the rest of us shud it?
It's not their fault, it's the British people that employ them, who would gladly screw you if it means saving money, that's why there's no such thing as nationalism.
Even the British royal family is German, they had to change their name at the start of WW1 /=
American and British businessmen were making deals with Hitler during WW2, just to make money.
The ruling class would gladly sell you down the drain if it meant making/saving money, NO SUCH THING AS NATIONALISM, ONLY GREED.
no i dont blame the polish i blame the government for not protecting english people, of course if someone offers u the same thing for half price of course ul take it, its not about screwing over ur fellow countrymen. we are used to certain standard of living that people from others countries arent so they can afford to charge prices we cant
Because while OUR government is involved in torturing people, we can't say shit.
It would be hypocritical.
As far as religious intolerance, well while out government allows anti muslim fools (EDL) to march on OUR streets, being protected by OUR police, all through tax payers' money, we can't say shit.
That stuff you put before about having certain standards of living, we have next to nothing compared to the rich, and it's people with your attitude that allow it.
whats wrong with rich people? people who have come from working class families from poor areas working there way up to be wealthy whats wrong with that? any body can be rich no matter of what background, it depends on how hard they work. im comfortable in my life im not stinking rich because i never worked hard enough in school simple. WE CANT SAY SHIT, what a fucking cop out. the SWP web site bangs on about womens rights, but i havnt seen any demonstartions outside the saudi embassy
im not obsessing about muslims im just trying to figure u out, why have such double standards? when anjem chouldrey planed a march for sharia in the uk OUR country, the uaf werent anywhere to be seen, people like you just confuse me, you have a group that wants the sort of laws we see in saudi arabia and you lot werent there. look i dont vote bnp im not reli left or right but i just feel bnp, socialist workers party, just as bad as each other
If there were groups preaching for Sharia Law then i definitely disagree with that. Socialism is about equality, not about separate laws for different people. Even if it was meant just for Muslims, i'd disagree.
I would rally against it, but anything anti muslim gets hijacked by white racist groups like the BNP, so although i wouldn't agree with the more radical muslims, i wouldn't protest, because BNP and EDL would most likely be there, and i don't want to associate with people like that.
fair enuff, just one last point, the share of wealth thing, i view it as everybody in this country has an education, so every1 has a chance to be rich basically the reason why theres rich and poor is because some people work harder than others, i cant see how u cant have rich and poor when some people cant be bothered to work
oh i fort u were international, thts means i fort ud care when women are lashed in public in sudan for wearing trousers? you dont care that in some countries its ok to beat a women?
I think the main problem with a lot of Muslim countries is that, state and religion aren't separated, if it was up to me the government would have nothing to do with organised religion.
But that's as far as i'll go when criticising other countries.
Yes. But I'm only speaking as an individual, not for the party. The revolution will be based on science and rational thinking, Atheism.
We'd fund the free thinking socialists in other countries to push forward a revolution which was atheist and socialist, which would mean the death of Sharia Law.
Again, this is what i want, i don't know about the SWP ... But I'm sure it would be something along those lines. So yeah, if we got into power, i'd like if we funded a global revolution.
oh also he said its appalling that the union jack is on show at whitehall, also complaining that theres a popular fashion now of being proud to be english duckhead
The SWP, Know they are loosing the battle. Between the "united" left the number's have stayed the same for almost 100 years, and that was when capitalism was at it most oppressing stage. Perfect water for a socialist revolution.
Why do this lot call themselves socialist workers, when most of them are students, criminals or doleys?
grubio1970 1 month ago
The left is fragmented, and dissorganised?. They have no credible party to organise around?.Most of the left wing downloads, attract very little interest.Most of the working classes, support capitalism.The momentum is with the right.Nigel Farage is getting 500,000 hits?.The left is loosing the argument?The working classes are moving to the right,
sparky6952 1 month ago
Can someone give me some links telling me whats wrong with the swp?
SquigApocalypse 2 months ago
Can any SWP supporters help me out with something? Why do the far-Left seems to want to help Muslims Islamicise Britain? Aren't the far-Left supposed to be atheist? Or do you support totalitarianism whether it is communism or Islam? My theory is that the far-Left support Islam because Muslims are of non-European ethnicity and the far-Left are scared that not helping Muslims Islamicise Britain would be 'racist'. I am I right?
wodenswisdom 9 months ago
@wodenswisdom No, you are not right. They do not support theocracy. Socialists and communists by definition support a secular political structure. That does not require that a socialist or communist be ahtiest, just the recognition that religion has no place in politics. They demand justice for all opressed groups, and since Muslims in the UK are collectively persecuted due to the actions of a few, they are seen as an opressed group whose rights need to be defended.
LoveMeLoveMyDog80 8 months ago
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 That is the paradox I am trying to understand. Communists/socialists claim that they are atheist, but seem to have established an alliance with Islamists. Marx was atheist since he was an ardent materialist and claimed that religion was a symptom of alienation. The fact is that Muslims are not a persecuted group. They are part of an imperialist religion/ideology that threatens to eventually destroy indigenous non-Muslims cultures everywhere. What about indigenous rights?
wodenswisdom 8 months ago
@wodenswisdom You will not find Marxist groups supporting any calls for Islamic (or any) theocratic regime, it would be a contradiction in terms. Groups Marxists support that advocate just treatment of Muslims, and opposing overseas adventures, do not equal "Islamists", and neither do all Muslims. As for indigenous rights, that means different things in different socities and you would need to elaborate a bit on that one.
LoveMeLoveMyDog80 8 months ago
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 Marxist groups may not intentionally seek an Islamic society but if they are not careful they may help create the space for one- law of unintended consequences. What is 'just' treatment of Muslims? Not resisting the Islamification of Britain? Surely not allowing indigenous Britons cultural self-defence is unjust? By 'overseas adventures' I assume you mean Iraq and Afghanistan - the BNP opposed those too...
wodenswisdom 8 months ago
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 ...I know that most Muslims may not agree with the TACTICS of the Islamists, but I have never heard a Muslim argue that the Islamisation of Britain should be halted out of respect for the indigenous population. It seems there is a tacit agreement amongst the Muslim population that Britain should be Islamic.
'Indigenous rights' means rights of indigenous populations. In Britains case this means the people commonly referred to as 'white', or West European Indo-Europeans.
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beyondmusiqrecords 9 months ago
If you are a cognisant socialist you will fight against creeping Islamism as manfully as you strive against consumerism and the free market. Until contempoary socialism demarcates a line in the sand for egalitarianism, redistribution of wealth and the mandatory secularism of the state it will continue to be monopolised by these casuistic opportunists and demagogues. "Away with all your superstitions" -The Internationale.
personatoobject 10 months ago
@personatoobject What has that to do with the video. The speaker is protesting against police brutality of the poor and ethnic minorities. He does not mention Islam, or is this an SWP = RESPECT rant?
LoveMeLoveMyDog80 8 months ago
@LoveMeLoveMyDog80 The only reason you don't say "religious" minorities is because it would prove my point you tedious, relativistic lefty muppet. In the name of vote-garnering, these arseholes have abandoned the project of socialism and become revisionists by getting into bed with ideas that should be their antithesis. They and you are lucky I'm not calling them stupid, I'm calling them willful, malicious opportunistic turncoats.
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nationalistactivist 10 months ago
Lol, the SWP complaining about violence is like Saddam Hussein complaining about getting an unfair trial. The SWP is responsible about 90% of the time when peaceful protests are hijacked by these vandals.
The SWP will do anything they can to damage people's jobs, destroy lives, (like when they stormed Acas to break up union negotiations) . They are the biggest bunch of prats in Britain today.
disamjisa 11 months ago
Police brutality? In Britain? Does this idiot even know the meaning of the word?? Britain probably has the most peaceful, non-violent police forces in the world...
malsahth 11 months ago
martin smith the criminals are all your familly! THE JEWS!!!!! the bankers, mps etc are Jews just like the mafia is and your murdering Communist relative Jews. You HATE white people! Dont be conned by this man
Anglichanen 11 months ago
Good to see the dejected misfits of the BNP have turned up. Go and get another spider web tattoo on your neck.
Alimantado91 1 year ago
Likes the sound of his soddin voice this muppet!!!!Total plank, socialist no Martin your a closet Fascist!!!
odsall 1 year ago
Tell you one thing! This fella has never met any coppers. maybe he should watch Costa del Sol Street Crime. Then he would see some proper police brutality!
shuggyslater 1 year ago
I think it's a little unfair to say Islam is any more despotic or fascistic than Christianity or Judaism-but Martin Smith is a fruitcake. He might as well join fucking Class War. Great appeal to class unity, you swoppy cunt.
simontherabbit 1 year ago
A stuttering, spluttering hunchback with a massive chip on those bizarre shoulders. The guy is a complete fruitcake, thick as shit and seriously deranged.
Dannyhollgote 1 year ago
ha ha ha ha martin smith = SCUM!
SaxonLadyUK 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus So it applys to muslims? U think police have political views?
no to sharia law and dont listen to these warmongerers!
olddonno1 1 year ago
These are people that openly call for the stoning and punishment of gay people, adulterers and apostates; people who believe that women are inferior to men in every way and as such deserve less rights; people who disagree with our duty as a liberal democracy to stand by people being tyrannised by fanatical despots and fascistic regimes. Now you tell me, can you not see how this is a blatant betrayal of true socialist principles? Nutjobs like the SWP have turned the left into a bad joke.
strepsil08 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus Not to mention the fact that the SWP (along with you and your pathetic attempts to defend the bigoted, fascistic cult that is Islam) demonstrate a perfect definition of the word hypocrisy. They justifiably attack ultranationalist, right wing reactionary scum bags like the BNP, yet see no problem sharing platforms with, and in some cases declaring outright sympathy with fanatical, reactionary groups such as the Muslim brotherhood, that are of the ultra-right!
strepsil08 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus But the SWP do not care about the working class because the vast majority of them have never done a proper days work in their life. So how can they possibly know anything about the life of the working wo(man). They are simply middle class agitators who only associate themselves with socialism and left wing politics in a vein attempt to gain credibility. They're just looking for something to do while they're bored between lectures and they're student loan money runs out. Face it.
strepsil08 1 year ago
@strepsil08 *their.
strepsil08 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus Are you for real? The SWP is made up of the predictable rabble of wooly jumpered wearing, Guardian reading, placard waving students who have no clue about what they are fighting for and are led by brainless, moronic clowns like Martin Smith. In other words, the complete antithesis of working class culture and values. Working class people have nothing to sell but their labour, and to protect their rights and dignity should be a fundamental part of any functioning democracy.
strepsil08 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus .So i take it that you want this evil cult to dominate the World...as you seem to say nothing against it....It is very much like Islamification thats happening now..They came first for the Communists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews,and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.Then they came for meand by that time no one was left to speak up.
546803 1 year ago
@MyOroInvictus ...Im afraid you would lose your bet then.Iam not racist and have never been racist.....But i do not agree with Islam...its a very dangerous and oppressive ideology and i do not want to see sharia law in this Country...yet it is here in some muslim communities.If you dear to criticze Islam they are the frist on the streets wanting to sly or behead you..It is not a religion of peace.And this ideology wants to dominate the world...
546803 1 year ago
The tshirt is not I'm support of Cuba dumb fuck its the name of a new york baseball team
markstancer1 1 year ago
Errrrm yes martin pirate dvds fund organised crime so it is serious.
Why is he wearing a Cuba teeshirt when it is "state capitalist" in the words of his own party.
kuffar666 1 year ago
Martin Smith = Pedo
Socialist Workers Party = Rights For Pedos
= SCUM
kessmanbrum 1 year ago
who employs this man ...
miiawh 1 year ago
He should have gone to spec savers
theuk7yahoo 1 year ago
This fella is mentally ill.
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StateAndUnity 1 year ago
Martin Smith and his bunch of scruffy work shy,muslim loving,no hope layabouts in the SWP....are nothing but a set of brain dead twats,that are no use to society and this country
546803 1 year ago
@546803 just like the EDL then if thats the case bone idle good for nothing racist thugs with nothing else better to do than attack innocent people simply because of thier race colour or creed just shows how little intelligence you people in the EDL have
G0UDG 1 year ago
@G0UDG ...What the fuck are you on about..The EDL are against Muslim extremists...its got nothing to do with race,colour or creed...How can you be racist about an ideology.....tell me do you support these Muslim extemists that call for Sharia law,that want to suppress women,kill homosexuals,public beatings and beheadings,no freedom of speech.......get a fucking grip and stop wanking to pictures of Martin Smith......
546803 1 year ago
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@546803 EDL are racist violent thugs my 4 year old godson has more intelligence than the lot of you,and as regards you lot being only against islamic extremists that BS and you know it you hate everything that is not british or racist and do not seem to have the abilty to protest in a peacful manner always blaming others for your violence when we have plenty of evidence to prove you lot are guilty as sin for most of it
G0UDG 1 year ago
@546803 as an active member of NORSCARF I have been on many of your so called "DEMO'S" and whitnessed nothing but mindless racist chanting and violence you then have the cheek to go online blaming other people for your actions when we have loads of proof to show your real side which is not just against islamic extremists and well you know it you racist Nazi scum
G0UDG 1 year ago
@G0UDG ..Again i will ask you how can you be racist about an ideology..muslim is not a race.Most of the violence comes from your scummy freeks...so you are saying none of your UAF and Socialist Workers and Muslim freinds have never thrown missiles,bottles,beating 1 or 2 youths up that are on their own..And as you well know there are plants from your lot (UAF ) that try and infiltrate the EDL then try to course trouble and make the EDL look bad giving the odd nazi salute.EDL Black and White Unite
546803 1 year ago
@G0UDG ...And i take it you support these Muslim extremists that want sharia law and want to oppress women ,and kill homosexuals...that would be most of the Socilist Workers Party wiped out if they had their way
546803 1 year ago
Why don't the working class work anymore? You like the trappings of wealth which you so expunge, you've never done a days work in you lives! Working to rule, doing the minimum asked, knowing employment law inside out so you can get a tribunal on a technicality or strike! Is that what made this counry great?!! No! your kids are sleeping in a warm house, claiming benefits while wanking on their play stations paid for by us, the hard working true people of this country! U DONT KNOW YOUR BORN CUNTS
adarapature 1 year ago
@adarapature
The problem is with socialists is they think they are automatically entitled to everything around them. If any one tells them other wise they tend to use class war or cultural differences to defend their selves.
I am a disabled person with a genetic disease and I have been in/out of college all my life. I admire working people who support me and I will soon join them as a hard working baker.
I will always vote conservative because they have always repaired the economy!
euroskeptic83 1 year ago
And did they take action against this organization when their supporters hit a man in the head with a claw hammer, when UAF supporters threw darts at people and we filmed doing it, fucking double standatrds, ok for this guy and his supporters to attack people because of the political party they follow but not ok when the shoe is on the other foot. Yeh Yeh shout your crap about government then attack a political party that would do what which this guy is requesting
DibbersPage 1 year ago
Stephen Lawrence?
Oh FFS
What about Ross Parker, Kris Donald etc?
1878EFC2008 1 year ago
I'd love to see him carry on an anti police rant outside police headquarters in his beloved Cuba.
PenzancePete 1 year ago
@PenzancePete me too, wouldnt last a hearbeat, the real Communist party would exterminate this guy and his followers
DibbersPage 1 year ago
wow. mental health on the streets. he is a freak,imbecile.
theresonly1stig 1 year ago
this man needs to go and complete primary school. and needs instructions on how to operate a shower. this man thinks he is equal to all in society and yet he clearly shows himself as a little man who supports che gurevara, an argentinian mass murderer who organised firing squads for civilians. just because he saw him on a shirt and thought "hey she's sexy!" no pun intended
gwills0573 1 year ago
Martin the 'mincer' Smith is a prize wanker. I hope to see him get the shit kicked out of his baffoon ass one day live at a pathetic demo like this. He is a UAF laughing stock, in fact this useless four eyed wanker sums up the pathetic UAF, and idiotic SWP. FUCK OFF to CUBA you prick.
ShaggaSmythe 1 year ago
Words can't describe how much of an uneducated cunt this man really is.
SamuelArcherUK 1 year ago
fuckin scumbag red cunt and terrorist apologist , the man is a fuckin clown!
spursloyal71 1 year ago
Martin 'Quasimodo' Smith, the sex-hunk, calling for violence against the police. Yet the UAF/SWP asks that very same police to come down like a ton of bricks on the EDL and also to 'protect Muslims'! -
SniffPeters 1 year ago
This Geezer chats absolutly shit, he did the arcticle on the march through Dudley anti chatted bollocks about the EDL, he needs really to kill himself as his morals are all in the wrong order he, I DONTY WANT MOSQUE'S, I DONT WANT TO LIVE SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE 3RD GENERATION SCUM OF PAKI'S, AND IN HEINSIGHT ILL LIVE IN A BETTER PLACE......
hallucinogenical 1 year ago
@hallucinogenical RACIST english delinquent league retard we stopped you in stoke we stopped you in dudley and bradford and every other town and city you tried to peddle your message of hate we will stop you again long live democracy NAZI scum off our streets
G0UDG 1 year ago
This cunt better hope I never see him.
Treyb3yond 1 year ago
smith looks like he`s going have a nervous breakdown
joy2559 1 year ago
martin smith is a traitor to britain. he wants immigration and non white people in britain. scumbag, arrest the bastard. this bastard organises violence by muslims against homecoming british troops of the east anglia regiment. he is a uaf scumbag.
savechristianityinuk 1 year ago
"DARE FUGZ DARE MURDERAZ"
and they're the first people you SWP idiots run behind when the people you bully start hitting back!
honestpatriot09 1 year ago
SWP = Stupid Wanker Party.
fascismexposed 1 year ago
And what the hell is a supposed socialist doing his shopping at tescos anyway?!?!?!
strepsil08 1 year ago
The Socialist Workers Party claim to be leftist and anti-imperialist, but have been openly to sympathetic to the Taliban, Hamas, Hezballah and a whole host of extremist, right wing, despotic and imperialist movements and regimes.
They are also about as working class as a glass of Pimms.
I consider myself a leftist but find these people utterly contemptible. No wonder the Socialist movement in Britain is such a mess with these jokers at the helm.
strepsil08 1 year ago 8
@strepsil08 How are Hamas "imperialist"?
they fight against imperialism.
i agree the SWP and everyone on their side of politics are complete morons but..
y559djr 1 year ago
@y559djr They believe in Islmaic domiantion of the middle east and Palestine and to want annihilate Israel. They may fight against the imperialist elements of the zionist movement but I they are just as bad. The so called "socialists" who glorify and sympathise with these religious facists are contradcting what socialism i supposed to stand for.
strepsil08 1 year ago
@strepsil08 -Quite right. They should be called 'Socialist Non-Workers Party'. They despise the British white working class, with whom they have nothing in common. That's why they support free immigration into Britain, which lowers wages, creates a shortage of housing, and increases the strain on the NHS and social services.
They are nothing but a pack of neurotic workshy graduates with fantasies of one day being a humourless commissar for people to fear.
CrankCase08 1 year ago
@strepsil08 The SWP has never supported the Taliban or Hamas. Hizbullah are a Nationalist freedom fighting movement. A genuine National Liberation movement. You have no idea what you are talking about.
EMPRODUCTIONS2010 1 year ago
@strepsil08 good point but your also forgot to mention the IRA/INLA they have proactivley supported these orginisations scince the early 70's
they are nothing more marxist street thugs and the gutter of society!
theblackmafia71 10 months ago
@strepsil08 That's absolutely right. I consider myself a left leaning democrat and republican, an outright communist to the Tories these muppets so deplore. Why have the objectives of socialism and the expansionistic desert cults become conflated we wonder? Because these chanpagne-trendy-lefties recognised they were becoming obsolete and wanted to capitalise on the vitality of theocratic lunatics attempting to subvert the very rights these cretins claim as their entitlement. Despicable.
personatoobject 10 months ago
Did it take him long to affect that working class accent , no wot ah min!.
Nice gay t shirt.
jerryaowen 1 year ago
nicely said
RedStarUSSR 1 year ago
Love the way he's got a Cuba tshirt on, which is of course no more than a totalitarian police state..... some irony there.
daveyjarvis365 1 year ago
@daveyjarvis365 Cuban people are the happiest on earth, so it can't be all bad.
TheAnarcrusty 1 year ago
This cunt knows no shit that comes from his mouth.!
People who sell dvd's on there black market are illegail! the profit from them goes to fund the fuckin Taliban !
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good comment m8, this arsehole
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yorkie6687 1 year ago
(National) Socialist (German) Worker's Party.
Nationalism4Life 1 year ago
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perpetualpeace81 1 year ago 2
Lol martin smith against violence what a hypocrite he loves violence on edl bnp he just dont like it when he aint cause in it the wanker
djvision20022000 2 years ago
What a wanker. The guy showed his disrespect for the Union flag. He is not wanted in Britain. He's not democracy.
cloughers 2 years ago
wow, a person being democracy, that would be weird.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
I mean he preaches everything anti- democracy. Imagine him in power he would just ruin Britain.
cloughers 2 years ago
but the BNP only want democracy for a few - those that share the white race, they aren't parliamentarians like other party's they are a fascist party that don't want anything to do with democracy, didn't we learn from hitler?
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
I know the BNP are wankers but so is he. If BNP are like Hitler etc then this guy is like Stalin simple really. Hate filled politicians are one's who if in power become dictators. The BNP are twats but they have elcetoeal representation, does Smith and the Socialist Workers Party have any no.
cloughers 2 years ago
Your right enough, sometimes I think the far left and far right are just as bad as each other, but the SWP aren't a threat, they are crumbling from the inside - all they want to do is sell their little newspaper, the BNP are a threat however.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
the bnp are only a threat because the other parties arent tackling the immigration issue, people keep banging on about the bnp growing but there never gona get power, if a main party took the issue head on thn that would ruin the bnp
ljgately7 2 years ago
But there is no real issue with immigration, figures have only grown very slightly and immigrants actually create jobs by spending money - they have a positive effect on the supply and demand chain, the British people are told otherwise by the right wing media.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
yes spending stimulates the economy of course but is putting british people out of work a positive thing, and dont come back at me with they take the jobs no1 wants bullshit, theres loads of people out there who wud do anything for any job right now but wen sum1 can work for a quater of the price we havnt got a chance im a builder i know what im talking about in my industry i see it time and again im not blaming immigrants im blaming the government for having an open door policy for yrs
ljgately7 2 years ago
and thts not even mentioning the cultural and integration problems that immigration causes
ljgately7 2 years ago
like what? What possible "cultural" problems does immigration cause?
This is the thing, British people aren't being "pushed" out of work because of immigrants, yes, often employers try and hire migrant workers to try and exploit them, but I think you'll find that immigrants to the UK have a far higher rate of qualifications and therefore are a better deal to hire.
Labour have not had an open door policy, the points based system is too much for the left and too little for the right.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
yn a points system which came into effect wot last yr!? letting in 300,000 poles thn having a points system maybe shutting the door before the horse has bolted do u not think? immigrants have a far higher rate of education? in the job i do they are not on the same planet in terms and skill and experience its just money talks my experience on immigrant builders, hard working, cheap but very poor standard of work, the problem comes with mass immigrations thats been goin on for far to long
ljgately7 2 years ago
you can't tar all immigrants with the same brush, they all arrive for different reasons. Mass immigration is a very overused term in the UK, the truth is - immigration numbers to Britain are low - especially in comparison to other EU, countries, without immigrants, the NHS wouldn't survive and there would be less jobs created.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
u cant tar all immigrants with the same brush? didnt u say ALL immigrants are more qualified than british workers? haha, i was commenting on my business what i see everyday which i think im very qualified to talk about and im my experience as a builder immigrant workers on the whole arent better than british workers, there standard of work is much lower but there alot cheaper
ljgately7 2 years ago
you talk about immigrants as if they are an object. Yes, immigrants that come here have a higher percentage of qualifications than British people. Celts, Saxons and Vikings all came to Britain as the result of various invasions, making the British the most ethnically composite of all European peoples.
What we did to other nations in the past is now being forgotten
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
i dont care what we did in the past to other nations because that isnt involved in this arguement is it? wots colonialism got to do with mass migration in the uk 2010? fuck all, fuckin liberals like you are all the same u live in a fluffy land of fairies and wizards u dont live in the real world and wheneva i make a point u change the conversation, im not talking saxons celts im talking here and now the past decade of immigration, im not a bnp member, i dont hate the bnp im just not bothered
ljgately7 2 years ago
oh yh immigrants that come here have higher qualifications, not in my business matey not in the building trade
ljgately7 2 years ago
Firstly, I'm not a liberal, I'm more socialist and I came from a very poor background so don't give me that - I was a case of upward social mobility.
Why are you getting so wound up?
You fail to see the figures and positive effects immigrants can have in the UK.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
im was an economice student 4 5yrs i know wot economic benefits a bigger population brings but ur looking at the situation wiv only tht view, to say immigrants dont put brits out of work is rubbush they do IN MY industry, in health no they dont but when a big number of workers flood the market as wot happened a few yrs ago with the poles, british builders lost out because polish firms charged a huge amount less, i dont blame the polish workers theyve bin exploited i blame the government
ljgately7 2 years ago
the competition for low labour costs among local businesses that the Agencies (gangmasters) are now cutting corners and committing tax fraud as well as other questionable practices. The outcome of this is of course is that it is the workers who are exploited.
Foreign workers are short-changed by having illegal deductions taken from their wages and local people are priced out of the job market for the simple reason that they are financially better off on benefits.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
i agree in the respect that labour hands out way to much money on benefits i know people who r better off on benefits thn workering, some people having more kids just for more benefit money i hink we need to re address that issue big time i wudnt give people anything who havnt bothered to find work during the boom years
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the competition for low labour costs among local businesses that the Agencies (gangmasters) are now cutting corners and committing tax fraud as well as other questionable practices. The outcome of this is of course is that it is the workers who are exploited.
Foreign workers are short-changed by having illegal deductions taken from their wages and local people are priced out of the job market for the simple reason that they are financially better off on benefits.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
to be honest i dont like having debates on immigration wiv scots because as far as i can see when i go up 2 scotland your country, society hasnt changed much thru mass immigration, partly because uve never had alot of immigrants compared to england, ur a nation on 5 million, we are 60 million. has any1 cancelled st andrews day in scotland because it offends immigrants? thats the sort of things thats happening here when i talk of social problems it causes that sort of thing is what im on about
ljgately7 2 years ago
that particular St. George's parade was cancelled following police advice that the safety of the public, it was nothing to do with "immigrants" as you keep mentioning.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
the figures for 2008 dont show mass immigration becasue we're in a recession and alot of people have gone back but are u saying 300,000 eastern european workers coming in to the country in a short space of time isnt mass? plus that isnt taking into account the figures for asylum seekers, i know wens theres a massive influx of workers in my industry dont tell me there wasnt a couple of yrs ago i wud call that mass
ljgately7 2 years ago
out of the 30 million people in employment, 26 million are UK born.
However, this means that those who are UK born may be of a different race to you and I, if you believe that these people are taking your jobs then I think that me and you have a different idea of an "immigrant".
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
that particular St. George's parade was cancelled following police advice that the safety of the public, it was nothing to do with "immigrants" as you keep mentioning.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
wot was the public saefty issue there? where is the public safety issue with cancelling the nativity in school? its alot different in scotland thn england uve never had had mass immigration like we hav there are more people in yorkshire thn the whole of scotland for fuck sake, the only real big immigration uve had is irish and look wot a negitive effect thats had on ur country, sectarianism no community cohesion ect.
ljgately7 2 years ago
Your right on that part - Scotland has not had the same amount of migration, this, I accept.
However, I spent a considerable amount of time in Birmingham when I was younger, so I do realize that multiculturalism allows different races to live in cohesion.
However, I do not accept the word "mass" and "immigration" in the same sentence, when figures prove that it's simply not the case.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
living in birmingham u surely must notice the seperate communities, multiculturalism doesnt allow rases to live in cohesion it allows them to live in seperation, down to government policy, u want ur own courts fine, you want ur own schools fine, you want seperate banking system fine we're multicultural and we want to celebrate ur culture where u came from because ours isnt worth celebrating and isnt worth integrating u into
ljgately7 2 years ago
That's simply not true.
Race is completely irrelevant in most people's eyes, as is religion.
Government policy is none of what you have stated. As far as the Government knows, there are NO legally operated sharia courts in the UK - know me and you both know this is not true, but the Government will not allow sharia rule in the United Kingdom.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
then why in birmingham are there places like small heath a nearly completely muslim area, othe area which are mainly white others mainly sikh, is that integration?
ljgately7 2 years ago
Of course it's not, some communities prefer to stay as they are or for whatever reason can not mix, there are a number of different reasons for this.
You are always going to get areas that are mainly something - Small Heath is over 50% Pakistani, and 22% of people are of white British origin. This is down to a number of things including white flight and what jobs exist.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
There are 3.8 million non UK-born workers in the UK, according to the UK's Office for National Statistics (ONS) February release on employment. This is an increase of 214,000 in the year to December 2008. The number of UK-born workers fell by 278,000 to 25.6 million, while unemployment was at a 10-year high at 1.97 million.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
hen u say uk born workers fell are u talking emmigration and retirement?
ljgately7 2 years ago
The police have a duty to call off any events that may put public safety in trouble - the council on advice of the police didn't want a repeat of the race riots that occurred in 2001.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
u reffering to bradford and oldham race riots
ljgately7 2 years ago
I'm not for a moment doubting what you've seen in your industry. I'm just saying that it is simply not true that "foreign" workers take British jobs.
A boom brings in work, regardless of race, and a recession put people out of jobs, regardless of race. Anything else is up to the employer.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
of course but ur not facing facts, labour had an open door policy when the new eu member states came in, they underestimated the number that wud cum to britain by over 200,000, im just going to say this one last thing, the industry i work in british companies were put out of work, people lost their jobs, because the poles cud undercut them, so IN THE INDUSTRY I WORK IN immigrants put english people out of work
ljgately7 2 years ago
In my area, I'll be the first to admit - we have not been affected my immigration at all.
But this doesn't mean we are a "whites only" area, it simply means that immigrants follow labour, and in my area, there are not many job opportunities, in the city, there are.
What do you mean the "poles could undercut them"?
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
well english builders wont work for minimum wage, we used to get shit money 20 yrs ago but now we get alrite money and deservedly so because we do a hard job that takes yrs to perfect, wot ul hav is for example a council will say we want a price for say doing up 100 council houses, because poles will except minimum wage there price is considerably cheaper thn what english firms can charge, some english firms had a poles only work policy because it keeps costs down, my friend works on the .......
ljgately7 2 years ago
....olympic site and he says most of the workers on the site are non british, u cant say to me there filling the jobs nobody wants because theres thousands of builders out there who wud love a job on the olympic site but cannot compete with non british workers, why are the government bringing in non uk workers for the olympic site.......because its cheaper labour, fuck our own people basically
ljgately7 2 years ago
The highest number of "immigrants" to the UK are from the Republic of Ireland: 494,850 a year, but nobody claims that they are foreigners, it seems to be a race thing with a lot of people.
Workers follow capital to the most developed areas to meet the demand for wage labour in urban centres of capitalist expansion. In the process they attempt to escape poverty and unemployment in areas where capitalism is in decline, or where it has failed to take off altogether.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
the difference is that the irish are very similar to the english, same language, same religion, value the same things in life, free speech democratic values so they fit in with the english way of life, its never about race, do you think people dont like someone because there skin is darker? thats rubbish, obviously there are some v narrow minded people who think tht but tht doesnt make up the population
ljgately7 2 years ago
That's not entirely true about the Irish - there have been many conflicts regarding Catholicism and Protestantism.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
u hav a bit in the west of scotland but thats with irish protestants and irish catholic immigrants that not immigrants fighting with the original population
ljgately7 2 years ago
I'm in the west of Scotland - Stranraer.
Oh please, don't tell me your going to start calling white people the "indigenous and therefore superior race".
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
indigenous? superior race? wheres this bollocks coming from? maybe ur just one of these people who think any1 who disagrees wiv mass immigration is a nazi skinhead get real u idiot. but places like glasgow are a good example of the trouble immigration can cause, the violence, the hatred the sectarianism that happens in places like glasgow wudnt be there if u never had immigration, irish problems transferred onto scottish soil u mite say
ljgately7 2 years ago
You sound like one of the vile members of the BNP.
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
I love this guy man =') He's a fucking legend, he is a fucking legend.
The socialist workers' party is the only future for britain. viva la revolucion.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
this blokes a fuckin idiot wots going to happen when la revolucion comes?
ljgately7 2 years ago
He's anti racist, is that why you don't like him ?
When it comes then we'll be living in a fairer anti racist society. In a socialist society.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
the stuff he comes out with is bullshit, he's a violent man who incites violence, saying about ian thomlinson why was he pushed to the floor? because he was part of a mob smashing up a city centre for no gd reason pathetic, they shot that brazilian guy because he had different colour skin? u honestly believe that! his uaf group has attacked police officers, he says he doeserves the right to protest without interference when he doesnt give that right to other people
ljgately7 2 years ago
I think you need to read more, he wasn't part of the demonstration you fool. He was an innocent person, who happened to walk past the police, with his hands in his pockets. The police are a fucking disgrace.
Yes, i do believe that the police are racist.
The Union Jack is the flag of oppression, fuck nationalism, I'm about internationalism.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
the police pushed him to the ground, they hardly stamped over his head or used it as a football, things like this happen ok wrong place at the wrong time i fort he was part of the demo. i didnt ask u if the police are racist, i asked if they shot the brazilian guy because of the colour of his skin? fuck nationalism? does that make u anti english?
ljgately7 2 years ago
When i listened to this video again, it hit me, he's absolutely right about everything. The MPs are bigger criminals that anybody.
Yes, i do believe they shot him because he had brown skin.
Yes, nationalism divides working class people, socialism unites us. I hate anything that makes the working class divided.
It's not that I'm anti english, i just look at the bigger picture. The world is a much bigger place than what groups like the BNP would have us believe ;)
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
so it he wudnt hav had a rucksake he'd have still been shot because he had brown skin? i dont see how nationalism divides working class people, also how many socialists are WORKING CLASS im a builder, i dont know many socialists to go and do a hard days work
ljgately7 2 years ago
They claim they made a mistake and it was all an accident, wrong person ... Well if it was a white guy running away they wouldn't have shot him.
Nationalism breaks us up into different national groups, rather than class. All Fascist parties have one thing in common: nationalism.
It divides people from the same class, i.e. a british builder and a polish builder.
We should unite against the ruling class that make all the money for doing next to nothing.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
so i should embrace my polish builder brother? fuckin rubbish polish builders undercut english builders and is it wrong to say i dont want them here because its more competition for me. the problem i have with your arguement is nationalism can bring people together, look what happeneds when england make the world cup and theres flags flying from windows its nice the country seems to come together for it, just because the bnp jump on nationalism it should spoil it for the rest of us shud it?
ljgately7 2 years ago
It's not their fault, it's the British people that employ them, who would gladly screw you if it means saving money, that's why there's no such thing as nationalism.
Even the British royal family is German, they had to change their name at the start of WW1 /=
American and British businessmen were making deals with Hitler during WW2, just to make money.
The ruling class would gladly sell you down the drain if it meant making/saving money, NO SUCH THING AS NATIONALISM, ONLY GREED.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
no i dont blame the polish i blame the government for not protecting english people, of course if someone offers u the same thing for half price of course ul take it, its not about screwing over ur fellow countrymen. we are used to certain standard of living that people from others countries arent so they can afford to charge prices we cant
ljgately7 2 years ago
Nationalism is a concept, it's not real. It's just there to break the working class down, and keep the rich rich and the poor divided.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
can i ask you why people like you are very quiet about countries like saudi arabia? animal cruelty, no womens rights, religious intolerance
ljgately7 2 years ago
Because while OUR government is involved in torturing people, we can't say shit.
It would be hypocritical.
As far as religious intolerance, well while out government allows anti muslim fools (EDL) to march on OUR streets, being protected by OUR police, all through tax payers' money, we can't say shit.
That stuff you put before about having certain standards of living, we have next to nothing compared to the rich, and it's people with your attitude that allow it.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
whats wrong with rich people? people who have come from working class families from poor areas working there way up to be wealthy whats wrong with that? any body can be rich no matter of what background, it depends on how hard they work. im comfortable in my life im not stinking rich because i never worked hard enough in school simple. WE CANT SAY SHIT, what a fucking cop out. the SWP web site bangs on about womens rights, but i havnt seen any demonstartions outside the saudi embassy
ljgately7 2 years ago
I think i might give up, people like you frustrate me /=
67% of wealth being in the hands of 2% ?
"What's wrong with that?"
If you don't get it now then we may as well give up.
Capitalism allows the ruling class to treat working people like utter shite.
Which if you stopped obsessing about Muslim countries you'd notice.
Of course it's not okay to beat women. But I'm only in a position to criticise my government as it represents me.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
im not obsessing about muslims im just trying to figure u out, why have such double standards? when anjem chouldrey planed a march for sharia in the uk OUR country, the uaf werent anywhere to be seen, people like you just confuse me, you have a group that wants the sort of laws we see in saudi arabia and you lot werent there. look i dont vote bnp im not reli left or right but i just feel bnp, socialist workers party, just as bad as each other
ljgately7 2 years ago
If there were groups preaching for Sharia Law then i definitely disagree with that. Socialism is about equality, not about separate laws for different people. Even if it was meant just for Muslims, i'd disagree.
I would rally against it, but anything anti muslim gets hijacked by white racist groups like the BNP, so although i wouldn't agree with the more radical muslims, i wouldn't protest, because BNP and EDL would most likely be there, and i don't want to associate with people like that.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
fair enuff, just one last point, the share of wealth thing, i view it as everybody in this country has an education, so every1 has a chance to be rich basically the reason why theres rich and poor is because some people work harder than others, i cant see how u cant have rich and poor when some people cant be bothered to work
ljgately7 2 years ago
how can you compare the SWP to a group of people who deny there was a holocaust, don't you see the fundamental difference there?
AndrewBMcKay 2 years ago
no lets not give up im trying to understand i really am im not just trying to argue for the sake of it
ljgately7 2 years ago
oh i fort u were international, thts means i fort ud care when women are lashed in public in sudan for wearing trousers? you dont care that in some countries its ok to beat a women?
ljgately7 2 years ago
I think the main problem with a lot of Muslim countries is that, state and religion aren't separated, if it was up to me the government would have nothing to do with organised religion.
But that's as far as i'll go when criticising other countries.
We have to sort ours out first.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
so when the revolution comes are we then going to go in to saudi arabia and sort them out?
ljgately7 2 years ago
Yes. But I'm only speaking as an individual, not for the party. The revolution will be based on science and rational thinking, Atheism.
We'd fund the free thinking socialists in other countries to push forward a revolution which was atheist and socialist, which would mean the death of Sharia Law.
Again, this is what i want, i don't know about the SWP ... But I'm sure it would be something along those lines. So yeah, if we got into power, i'd like if we funded a global revolution.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
oh also he said its appalling that the union jack is on show at whitehall, also complaining that theres a popular fashion now of being proud to be english duckhead
ljgately7 2 years ago
You claim you support the working class, Your not working class most of you have never done an honist physical day's job in yourlife.
The working class are taking support with the united defences leagues and the BNP and you know it that is why you are desperate to stop them!
Britishnwelshloyal 2 years ago
The SWP, Know they are loosing the battle. Between the "united" left the number's have stayed the same for almost 100 years, and that was when capitalism was at it most oppressing stage. Perfect water for a socialist revolution.
Britishnwelshloyal 2 years ago
Retard- A derogatory term used against people with mental disabilities.
You all support political correct term's regarding race or colour, But when it comes to these people you quite happy to use these derogatory term's.
For the record I read all book's not just communist books or socialist books like mein kampf!
Britishnwelshloyal 2 years ago
martin smith exposed as a swp red again!
Britishnwelshloyal 2 years ago
At least the SWP can read books you BNP retard!
fourmanfilms 2 years ago
i hate this twat
but he's right about the police.
honestpatriot09 2 years ago
Looks like you have similar ideas on your tube site mate
fourmanfilms 2 years ago
some similar ideas
but unlike the SWP and other left wing parties i believe that race does matter
im not in favour of the BNP though as theyre not a party for whites (theyre zionists and the zionists of israel are jew supremacists"
honestpatriot09 2 years ago
some people just cant help stiring it, oh great lets have a rant what a gob on him.I love my voice and im never going to stop .
edwards21416 2 years ago
And what have you ever done with your life?
fourmanfilms 2 years ago
Martin Smith is right. The police are part of a bourgeoisie system that are continuing to look down on the working classes.
Martin Smith is a legend, the fascist BNP should be stopped.
socialistfuture 2 years ago
he's a hypocrite. he insights violence against those who have different political beliefs ssuch as the BNP... That is an element of fascism.
NATIONALISTgeordie 2 years ago