Jazz Guitar lesson: G Melodic Minor

[secanesam]

now that's funky fresh.

[popomczowzow]

when you're playing a scale aren't you supposed to start and end on the same note? so why did he go to the A# note on the E string when he was demonstrating?

[gameoverrf]

I love how he actually taught a lot of people wrong here, he only shows G Melodic Minor ascending which does raise the 6th and 7th degrees of the Minor scale however he said "go ahead and play this up and down" that's totally wrong because descending you need to naturalise the previously raised 6th and 7th degrees to really be a Melodic Minor scale...this in essence is more of a Jazz Minor lesson (where you raise the 6th and 7th on ascent and descent).

[paulb7]

@gameoverrf I think he might assume people look at it as the Jazz Minor scale...the classical way was to use the b6 and b7 when you descend - but he teaches from a modern improvisational perspective. You are right though...and not many people know the traditional way of this scale's use...I like to mix this scale w/dorian and aeolian mode it's pretty cool - add b5 and b9 too

[ajlapiana]

What are the chords your playing over?

[Nachobaronen1]

It's a good lesson, but I pitty the fool that plays G melodic minor in context with a song in Gminor. There are only 4 times you can play G melodic minor, so I bet it sounds interesting if you play it over a song with Gminor in it, because that would be wrong. but again it's the right scale, you just don't know where to play it after the lesson!!

[Killer9299]

clean cut white guys who look like they just came back from christian camp can't play jazz it's the rules

[rpbfinancial]

good lesson but goes too fast, I like Marty Schwartz because he explains much better and slower.

[ichi612]

can u tell what chord you use????

[bitcheznhos]

not all that good use of melodic minor.  sorry man

[virgult]

Nice tutorial! Too bad he doesn't teach how to use melodic minor properly, which IMHO is the most interesting part of using those scales. Everybody can learn a scale from a score or from a tab... the difficult part is to use it over the appropriate chord.

[jackson0027]

in wich chords is usable this scale ?

[Sivels]

@jackson0027 G minor is the obvious one. Next chords that include the raised sixth or raised seventh degree OR chords that exclude them so there will be no conflicting notes. For example the 5th of G will now be a major chord instead of a minor (as with the G natural minor scale).

[ShogaNinja]

yeah he needs to learn to resolve better :)

[V029002]

That's the track from Black on Blonde 7.

[millichamp27]

i don't get it when your going down the scale like what he is doing wouldn't that be a jazz minor? the melodic minor is a natural minor going higher and then the melodic minor going lower? am i wrong?

[froglicking]

@millichamp27 yeah your correct,jazz minor

[ChrisHaspeck]

you think the teacher in this video might want to explain that he's not stoping on "G" .. which is confusing for a student who doesn't truly understand this scale and it's function.

He should have started and stopped on the 'root' of the scale .. it helps to better explain how this scale works.

Dude .. seriously ..

[raffen79]

Thank you Peter Vogl. I just learned a new scale:D

[SoullessOpeth]

Man, I love jazz, but I'm new to it.

I'd appreciate some recomendations about artists/bands.

[flipperboy]

weather report

pharoah sanders

miles davis

bud powell

thelonious monk

charles mingus

john coltrane to get you started

[SoullessOpeth]

Thank you! I'm already listening to Miles Davis... I can't describe how much I feel this music.

[averylicious22]

Bill Clinton is a tasty sax player

[Ramblingman247]

When do u ever use this scale? It's the only scale I don't know. I'm new to jazz... only been playing jazz for two years. I know you can play it over altered dominant chords. Like for F7#9... you play F# melodic minor. Thats all i got out of a master class when this sax player talked about it. This scale just sounds like crap to me for some reason.

[emixolydian]

It's useful for lots of dominant type chords. Here's a list of the modes and the chord type they're used over.

mel min: m(maj7)

mode 2 dorian b2: m7(b9)

mode 3 lydian aug: maj7#5

mode 4 lydian dom: dom7#11

mode 5 mixo b6: dom7b13

mode 6 locrian nat 2: m9b5

mode 7 altered: dom7alt

It really becomes a matter of knowing where to start the scale to generate the mode you want, over the specific chord.

[ForForm]

isnt mode 3 called Phrygian, or is that just dutch or a different name for it? don't flame me if i say something stupid ^^ an explanation would be better ;)

[emixolydian]

Phrygian is the name of the 3rd mode of the major scale.

Melodic minor names tend to be "insert mode" "insert alteration", so you're using the same basic names but modfiying them. "Lydian Dominant" for example, a mode of mel minor, resembles the lydian scale, but has a b7 (making the tonic triads a dominant; thus the name).

The 3rd mode of melodic minor is Lydian Augmented. 1-2-3-#4-#5-6-7. It has all the notes of the lydian mode, but the fifth is raised - making it augmented.

[ForForm]

aaah now i get it... good thing i'm following some theory classes atm or else i wouldn't understand anything of what you said ;) so the modes for melodic minor are radically different... good... more stuff to study =P

[Nick0783]

I agree. This guy is playing over an altered chord but it isn't an altered chord that is functioning as a dominant on its way to resolving on to a tonic chord but instead as a static altered chord used a tonic chord. The melodic minor doesn't work here in my opinion.

[Nick0783]

In fact he should be using G dorian, or G min/Bb pentatonic or something that doesn't have an F sharp!

It sounds ok to use G minor melodic over an F sharp altered chord e.g. F #9

[Ramblingman247]

What do you play over minor 2-5-1's besides just the major scale modes? I heard you can use harmonic minor and melodic minor but both of them clash really bad. Can you give me an example of what scales to play over an f#m7b5 - B7b9 - Em7

[Guernseyopman]

@Ramblingman247 for the F#m7b5 use A melodic minor, for B7b9 use C melodic minor and for the Em7 use E melodic minor. I would suggest on the Em7 to play either E minor or Eminor(major7). Because of the scale construction it works better. These are of course just good primary choices. Message me if you'd like a more in depth explaination of each chord.

[salamatysalamaty]

BEAUTIFUL

[8trp7]

I thinks you have to be really careful with your lines if you use it as a modal scale when the rhythm sections is not always playing with 6 and 7 instead of b6 and b7. I prefer playing this sounds in a harmonic context using different related scales for example on B7 in D.

[13metalhead]

wierd shit man... i prefer harmonic minor personally but I listen to darker music... I appreciate the vid though. its good to know

[MrCharlieplaysguitar]

cool man...humble and gentle....great!!!

[deengew]

this guy kicks ass

[wirezts]

Lol he's such a gimp '1.55 - with my pinky'

[qwertyuiop1234]

it is raised

[Hoopermazing]

No. This is the MELODIC minor, i.e. #6 & #7 (when ascending... but I think that jazz musicians play it that way up and down... so it's really the Jazz minor.)

You're describing the natural minor.

[justinjonesypoo]

melodic minor. not natural.

[Delysid025]

never heard a person sound so friendly hehe... He seems so much in balance with him self :D haha

[thailow117]

yeah man, frightening. i am all topsy turvy all over the place. but then, i cannot imagine him sth like voodoo child, being so calm

[dragondix]

what the .... the backing track guitar comp is Gm9 with a flattened 7th. If you were to show a beginner vid on harmonic matching (scales to chords) you should have the accompanist (or backing vamp) play a mi(ma7 / 9 / 6) otherwise, as in this case, when he plays the F# it ha to resolve / pivot / pass to another note. If he hangs the F# it clashes. WEIRD.

[hospitalcleaner]

Reeeeady. Play.

[greenwanx]

what are the chords used for the backing track

[mayerock]

G minor

[HayatoFernandes]

he sounds like those cowboys lol

[mailc01]

#6 and #7 should become natural when played backwards.. he should've mentioned that

[gratefullybred]

thats for classical music, that rule is not always applied in jazz music..

[largemoose]

Actually, the melodic minor doesn't really change when it goes down. That's simply an abstraction theorists used to explain it. There are just as many examples in Baroque music of the melodic minor being played with the #6 and #7 descending as there are of it being played flatted.

[limeyamos]

Yeah, I was wondering about this. Wikipedia explains that the descending has flat 6 flat 7 descending, which would make it natural harmonic going down.

[ibanezbloke]

Melodic minor in classical music is a major scale with a minor third ascending and a natural minor descending. But guitarists only ever really use the ascending version

[lukemosse]

Hey wow that music is whack

[rockmonster5000]

He was pretty irritating.

Plus he didn't mention the fact that the melodic minor scale changes on it's way back down. The #6 and #7 become natural 6th and 7th.

[teleman233]

Yes in classical teaching the melodic minor scale does change going down.  In more contemporary uses it is completely up to the player. i.e Pat Martino or bebop style playing. I also teach the scale this way so it can be used as the altered dominant scale over the 5 chord. In this case it does not change either direction. In this lesson I was only demonstrating this scale and it's sound and not trying to teach all the complexities of soloing with it. Too short of a lesson for that. I

[teleman233]

If you want to see how I actually solo try the video we have posted-peter vogl guitar solo. You will hear a great deal of dorian and a little bit of melodic minor thrown in for good measure. Best of luck to all and I hope this helps.

[horizons777]

Hi Peter..hope you read these..Your "Let's Jam" CD unplugged has helped me immensely...thanks

[Shredsomemore]

Ready? Pwlaaaahy....

[MetalManGuitar]

i thought he said the first time i watched this... "hi my name is penis vocals

[Doubtthedevout]

thanks.

[OpulenceOfKnowledge]

This guy is shit at improvising.

[WannabeGadd]

I think he's not. That what he's playing sound lame in a way because he's using every note in the scale, without following the harmonic structure given by the background groove. I think it's pretty good didactically because when you try to play the scale over that groove you step into some shitty notes in the scale so you learn from your own experience which notes to avoid in a given harmonic context. Hm?

[SiT1986]

This whole scale he demonstrated is inconsistent. He didn't even harmonize it. How are people supposed to understand his lesson? It doesn't teach any theories. People can't comprehend random garbage. And they can't harmonize a scale they're not familiar with. It teaches nothing but, stupidity and ignorance.

[will1988a]

@WannabeGadd So would you say it would be better to follow a progression by using arpeggios or chord tones?

[eldecko]

what guitar is that?

[awakecraft]

metal doesn't use pentatonic scale. Unless they're Judas Priest, or other crappy so called metal bands.

Real metal bands use a wide variety of scales

[Scoob505]

hi peter

[Pennys1]

Listen to the song "Perennial Quest" by a band named Death; the solo is in G Melodic minor. Amazing.

[Tototwice]

Sorry guys, but u need to give this a chance. This scale will help u to play outside once u get used 2 it. This scale has a very Mid- Eastern sound and we are not used to it however; trust me on this it will help u with your playing in the future and allows for many more options when you're soloing... KEEPON STRUMMIN...................DAL­LAS

[ravenstrike]

x2.



Most metal solos are in this.

[Arnevet]

most metal solos are in the pentatonic scale.

[Shredlikelightning]

Most metal solos are NOT done in petatonic, you're obviously drunk.

[rounder]

There isn't a scale that is used in 'most metal solos'. I've heard every kind of scale (and non-scale in the case of Slayer) in metal soloing.

[axiluss]

rather in hard rock. but yeah, to be a rock/metal musician you need to know basically two keys - A minor and E minor, when playing you mainly use pentatonics, because they have the chord notes.

still, don't judge something you've analised roughly and barely. the example of Death band given is a really good one.

[Arnevet]

Well, I (the one who said most metal solos are in minor pentatonic), play in a Death-like band aswell. We play alot of Death covers like Crystal Mountain, etc.

So, you shouldn't tell me I'm judging by having 'anylised rougly and barely', because I did not. But you're right; riffs and solo's in the hardrock scene use those scales and chords ALOT.

[rounder]

middle eastern music uses 24 tone scales that includes quarter tones. The melodic minor scale was used in classical music, but in it's current popular form (no changes when descending) is something used commonly in jazz. The phrygian dominant or harmonic minor scales may sound a bit more 'middle eastern', but only to us westerners.

[yngvaigilbsteen]

Melodic minor is a wonderful scale to use in pop, as well. Beatles used it well. Rush, also. Check out "Ghost of a Chance". I'm a big fan of the scale, in the right context. Like yourself. : )

[DethMetalRulesRapSux]

i play death metal. i use alot of jazz and blues scales for soloing. i like jazz alot though

[tylerdwells]

MONOTONE!!!!

[xjaax1118]

Fucking tite...This isnt really my style..I listen to pretty much metal music...but I have mad respect for blues and jazz and fusion...great talent in those genres of music...unlike emo, screamo, core music or metalcore XD haha

[pilotoatomico]

do you like maiden?

[xjaax1118]

Hell yeah!

[JJK]

The scale doesn't quite work over the backing track. It really sounds like crap, sounds better over altered dominants.

[pochankitty]

seriously, sounds totally out of place.

[322072322072]

Smooth..... I Like This Lesson....

[shreddlearner]

cool man

[burritojack]

using g dorin over a minor seventh chord sounds better. i would avoid the major 7th unless its an approach note

[vitruviancat]

agreed.

[sethspeeks]

Good lesson ...straight forward. Some of the comments border on insulting. Negative musicians are a drag.

[knowerr]

Melodic minor is the fisrt mode for jazz minor scale right?

[howardstern666]

Basically, yes. "Jazz minor" is another name for the melodic minor. Same scale degrees. However, what we commonly refer to as "melodic minor" is really an ASCENDING melodic minor in traditional theory. The traditional m.m. scale raises the 6th and 7th when ascending, but lowers the 6th and 7th when descending, like a natural minor.

[thelastfairdeals]

Only play what you hear. If you don't hear anything, don't play anything.

[therealhitman]

Genius! I'm using that one in class tomorrow. All day!

[RomainChapus]

great lesson!

[whangdang]

sorry...a few notes don't work here for a minor ninth feel.. sounds wankery to me

[helgaperez]

does this vid still in market?

[Milokrb]

This is a crucial scale to learn in jazz....not just the melodic minor but also all its modes (melodic minor, dorian b2, lydian augmented, lydian dominant, mixolydian b6, locrian #2, altered). I don't think it's such a good idea to learn it by position but as a complete scale throughout the whole fretboard.

[mojoefly]

hi, how can i learn which chords to play with each mode of the melodic minor. just a begginer. thanks

[TheBJKiD]

A melodic Minor scale is Bassically a Harmnoic minor assending & a natural Minor Desending example A Melodic Minor A B C D E F G# A G F E D C B A

[Metalguitar55]

No,, The melodic minor also got a raised 6th. A melodic minor would be:

A B C D E F# G# A A G F E D C B A

[TheBJKiD]

Right right thanx, I forgot about the raised 6th hehe.. enjoy the weekend!

[tomasdela]

Jazz musicians would never apply this scale over a blues groove in this manner because it sounds like shit, as you can see. Instead, play the mode based on the 7th degree of this scale and apply it to any altered dominant chord (i.e. a dominant seventh 1-3-5-b7 with any of the following alterations: b9, #9, b5, #5). There are way more uses, but that is the most common in jazz.

[rooseguitar64]

Tomasdela....I think that in the manner the instructor in the video tried to demonstrate melodic minor was done with the thought that the average individual cannot, or is attempting to expand their ability to recognize new intervals and subsequent harmonic devices in relation to the "new chords" they are getting accustomed to. While it is true that most musicians would probably refrain from an exclusive scalar approach to a melodic line, the scale remains the backbone.

[tomasdela]

Rooseguitar64, I see your point and I actually agree with you, that it is good to get the scale under the fingers...but why would you want to practice playing things that sound bad? From day one, you can play within your limitations and with taste, JUST GO SLOW and learn at a sustainable pace. He could have just as easily demonstrated a ii-v-I at 40 bpm and slowly played a melodic minor run over an altered five or an altered version of its triton sub

[simplepark]

er.. i have no formal training in music, i am used to playing rock and just know how to play chords...and i am really inspired to play jazz, but i have no idea what you guys are talking about... any suggestion?

[goku52216]

great scale, i use the seventh mode alot, but the way he's showing you to play it is just so wrong. definately should not be showing kids still learning their scales to play a scale with position changes like that its stupid

[interloperftv]

please post an alternative

[funkifyyourlife]

You'd be wrong here. Most scales make it necessary to have a position change, especially melodic minor.

[KieranL90]

Awesome video!

[gabrielusa911]

sounds like a crazy scale love it

[Thormaster]

JAZZ!!! I love it.

[ricaard]

Thank-you for saying "up" at the tenth fret! So annoying when guitarists call the high frets "low frets".

[mellodc]

A great use of the scale (G Mel Minor) of course is to use it's 7th mode (start on the F#, end on the F#)and play it over F#7 altered (#5, b5, #9 and or b9), then resolve it to B major 7, Bmin 7, or even B7. Think of it as a great scale to play over V7 alt going to I.

Also works great using it's 6th mode (the E to the E) in this case over Emin7b5 as a II-7b5 chord in a minor or altered II-V7-I progression.

Rock on dudes and dudettes.

[bassswings]

hi thanks for this finest tips .

i have some problems to select a nice mode for the 6th degree minor7b5? ever in a minor melodic scale .

thkx

[patcatyak]

G Mel Minor over an F# altered-Fantastic!! I just tried it and it works. also resolves well to any B chord. I haven't had time to figure out why but it works. Thank for your insights. I've always wondered what to do with altered chords other than a whole tone scale

[Jazzguts]

Hi patcatyak, there are four tension-notes in this scale,used in this situation 9-,9+,-13, 5- that sound interesting, also try using the concept of playing A minor pentatonic over F# 7(alt) there you get the 7 and these alterations(5 notes in all=penta)In the beginning it sounds more abstract,but once you get the sound in your ears,quite interesting. Come over to my channel,you're most welcome,greets Vic.

[sengokuranse]

thanks helped me a lot

[kevinm4435]

wrong fingerings there bud.

[mbeddaj]

i don't see how that can be useful as well

[BongoMadness]

hmm well thats the meaning of life sorted then

[ShredHead1231]

fucking robot man

[ltotheatothendon]

Did he mention anything about lowering the submediant and leading note descending? That's the whole idea behind the melodic minor scale.....

[rhenrichs]

In classical harmony you would be correct. In jazz harmony the ascending scale is the only one used. It's also called the "Jazz minor" scale to avoid this confusion.

[JohnnyGillard]

Makes you want to reevaluate your life ....;-)

[KillWill3]

This man touches me...

[sabian545]

that can't be good.

[Gryphon90]

Pretty sure the accidentals are only raised when ascending in the scale. That is what makes the scale so unique. The raised notes are lowered back down one half step when you descend, giving it an outside "jazzy" feel.

[rhenrichs]

Actually the "Jazz minor" scale is just the ascending melodic minor scale. The natural minor scale (aeolian mode of the major scale), which is the same as the descending melodic minor scale, is less used in jazz. The dorian mode is more commonly used over minor chords than the aeolian mode, for example D dorian would be used on the Dm in Dm G7 C. The jazz minor is typically used on tonic minor chords, for example the Cm in Dm7-5 Galt Cm

[funkifyyourlife]

You'd be wrong, then. That concept hasn't been used since Mozart. In contemporary harmony, we keep the raised notes. What makes the scale so unique is that it has Major 6 and Major 7 in it with the minor 3rd. Lowering those notes back down a half step doesn't give a "jazzy" feel, just gives the Natural Minor scale, which is lame.

[gercekmuzik]

There Are Very Good

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[arivergandez]

This guy is a dude!

[davydusade]

yaaaaaaaaaay melodic minor

[dcmackin1]

I've been watching your lessons. I've been playing for over 2 decades and there are always avenues to explore. Thanks for some insights to improving on something I really love!