why are people even conversing with joefriendly? He is a complete buffoon, a half-wit. He talks complete nonsense. Don't even bother replying to his retarded messages. Just vote them down.
neechee, Tandykane, and pungifungi keep plugging away at this site and others dealing with the circumcision question with minds totally closed to the idea that circumcision promotes civilizing by integrating sexual sensations along with other sensations and emotions of the infant's developing mind, rather than postponement until adolescence when sexual urges usually suffer frustration unless acted out animally.They insist foreskin removal trauma is catastrophic. Healing happens! Then mmmm, nice!
How about this reasoning, for even those mentally challenged like candypants: From an evolutionary perspective, why is sex pleasurable? How pleasurable need it be for (1.) enough babies to be produced and (2.) the mental health of the participants? Or, as Jesus might have said, "Enough, already!' Instead of a full measure of pleasure in adulthood, some is spent on more mental development.
Instead of propping up your unsupported speculation with even more facile and specious speculations, that instead, you concentrate on proving your ORIGINAL speculation, ie. that circumcision increases intelligence.
Don't try introducing something as irrational as superstitions..give us evidence.
The full measure of pleasure is that which one was born to have!
@Tandykane You insist on proof! Proof! Proof! I'm a theoretician! Someone else will eventually come along and prove it. Probably! But I do complain what it takes to prove things in psychology typically takes applying for grants, raising money, academic politics, etc, as if a wall of fire at the gates of Accepted Truth. In view of that hitch in the way things are, there's need to be open to reasonable theories before they're officially proven. You need to be more open-minded, for a change!
hell, if you present a theory to explain a speculation, then I damn well will demand proof for the speculation--otherwise all you are doing is farting in a windstorm..
Come up with an OBSERVED phenomena, and then present an hypothesis, then it might be possible to get grant money, but no sane person would give you money to check an hypothesis for something imaginary.
your "theorizing" is nothing but childish toying with imaginary things.
Neonatal circumcision might increase intelligence by integrating infant's glans sensations with early associations of sight, sound, touch, sense of self, and thinking that would otherwise be largely delayed until adolescence. The purpose of the foreskin seems to be to create a separate state of mind beginning in adolescence, when erections exposing the glans are frequent, involving an urgency to intercourse and reward for following thru. Evolution valued making more babies over intelligence
@joefriendly , stop with this bullshit about intelligence and circumcision. Nobody here is buying it. Those who do are like you, deluding and convincing yourself that what you were taught was true when the overwhelming evidence show otherwise.
@PungiFungi If you have at the very CORE of the developing mind, more stimulation, like from an exposed penis, there is going to be greater branching, more complex networking. Buy it or not! The usual comeback is that the trauma from the surgery does so much harm as to undue whatever benefit. That I don't buy! Yes, there is some trauma, but it soon heals. Then, so much more stimulation, EARLY in development when it does the most good!
You still need to explain how losing a physical portion of the brain through atrophy can be beneficial.
If one accepted this ridiculous notion then cutting off a leg should be beneficial since the nerves at the stump would be stimulated and cause more branching in the brain, and just how would they branch into an atrophied part of the brain?
@Tandykane Losing a physical portion of the brain? Surely you know better than that mischaracterization of my post. Therefore it was not made in good faith. Yes, every part of the body has associated areas in the cortex. So the foreskin has an associated area in the cortex. But the foreskin is not a part of the brain! You believe the foreskin's supposedly many nerve endings are stimulated much in infancy? The outside? Maybe the inner side of the foreskin is so alive during an erection.
Oh, spare me your BS. Go watch the PBS special "The Living Brain"--there they did MRI scans that showed that people who lost or who were missing body parts, that the part of the brain dedicated to that part atrophied--the longer the part missing, the greater the atrophy.
Now with this evidence, what does it do to your silly claims?
@Tandykane Oh, now I see! The Living Brain! Do you really believe there is ever growing atrophy in the brain from neonatal removal of the foreskin, or have you developed some functional understanding of the brain from your TV watching or whatever to help you over that hump, to realize there is branching with new cells and fibers over and around dead cells by brain/body parts getting the extra stimulation in early development? The way the Brain Lives is to grow around dead cells.
And once again, if you are claiming an increase in intelligence from circumcision and then proposing a mechanism for this, you must FIRST provide proof for this intelligence increase BEFORE inventing a mechanism.. a mechanism for an imaginary condition is downright silly.
@Tandykane@Tandykane So simple. You need statistics for the simple proposition that the extra stimulation ---of the type we are addressing--- causes more neural growth, more connections, more cells, greater complexity of neural networking in the development of mind/brain. What atrophied was the tiny area in the cortex for associations with the covering that had prevented the stimulation. Sorry, foreskin, bye-bye.
it may be simple to a simple mind, but not that simple after all, you STILL need to provide evidence for this alleged intelligence increase.
"What atrophied was the tiny area in the cortex for associations with the covering that had prevented the stimulation. " And now there is something else you need to support with evidence--when can we expect THIS evidence--and the previously asked-for evidence?
You have a lot of pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo--now all you need is evidence.
@Tandykane You call my theory pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. It is a straightforward application of what is known about how our neural systems work. More stimulation, early, more neural development. Some trauma added to the situation, OK some conflict. You and your anti-circumcision colleagues argue so much trauma that the additional SEXUAL stimulation doesn't count. Proof will happen eventually. I submit til then reasonableness of the theory speaks for itself, your deafness notwithstanding
All you are doing is verbally dancing around..stop the dancing and provide evidence for your primary speculation of intelligence increase. If one starts out with a silly premise logic can lead one to any conclusion one wants..but the initial premise must be valid for the logic to reach a CORRECT conclusion.
@joefriendly You have yet to explain how the way the nerve thresholds on the glans are affected by circumcision. How do you reconcile the fact that keratinisation also increase the threshold of nerves in the glans? Last but not least, you have yet to reconcile how circumcision results in pain and trauma which impact the nerve system, the brain, the brain chemistry and the endocrine system in a manner that is totally oppostite of pleasure, and trauma does in fact delay and stunt development.
@joefriendly In addition, if you are basing anything in your "theory" on the work of Kinsey, you should do some indepth research on what Kinsey's main child research "assistant" did to these children. Kinsey aided and abetted and was an accesory after the fact and likely during the fact as well to one of the worst serial pedophiles in US history. Kinsey based his "evidence" of child sexuality on the observations of a serial pedophile who by definition is not even remotely objectivtive
@joefriendly ,if trauma = stimulation = intelligence then why circumcision? Why not spank the baby then? Then I suppose female circumcision will have the same effect too then? I assume you are circumcised, and judging by your reasoning, you are proof that your theory is furthest from the truth. Please.
@PungiFungi Can't quite get what I'm trying to explain, eh? Wanna stay hung up on the trauma of removing the protective coating of the penis that would otherwise isolate the penis from early stimulation? OK it's TRAUMATIC, hopefully minimized by anesthesia. Better if no trauma at all, but OK, trauma! NEVERTHELESS, afterwards the penis is out there, uncovered. So, after the healing, there is considerable SEXUAL STIMULATION added to the mix of sight and sound at the CORE of the developing mind!
@joefriendly , it seems you are trying to convince yourself that your circumcision was a good thing for you. No it is not. I don't know why you are disparaging the testimony of men who are uncut over a theory that has not yet even proven. I suppose girl infants loses out in the intelligence department?
@PungiFungi, Tandykane: Up for consideration, whether to continue the widespread practice of circumcision thruout the USA and other nations. It was extended at the end of WW2 from Jews and Muslims to many of the population in the US. Now various medical groups are urging it discontinued. I urge it's beneficial to integrate sexual sensations in the male infant's developing mind rather than postponing until adolescence. Reasonableness deserves benefit of doubt while awaiting proof. That's silly?
@Tandykane , I wouldn't doubt it if joefriendly is some pedophile. What he says is disturbing, as disturbing as another nut, sjbeacher, who says he will not be seen with uncut boys. I assume he pull their pants down and do an inspection.
@joefriendly w,hat is silly is that what good are those sensation when the penis will lose these very sensation because of constant expouse to outside stimuli. Common sense (keeping the head of penis sensitive) deserves benefit of doubt while awaiting proof (raising intelligence through mutilation).
@joefriendly , how ironic that these sexual sensations will be lost later on. How reasonable is that? What is reasonable is simple plain common sense. Exposing a sensitive part of a boby will only causes it to lose sensation.
@joefriendly Your comentary sounds as though you are a deciple of the infamous Dr. Kinsey. I hope that your "theory" is not based upon anything Kinsey or his followers have said or written. Dr, Kinsey's work is so flawed desgin wise and completely void of any sound statistical research methodology that it amounts to littel more than the propaganda of a sexual deviant, perverted old man with an agenda.
@neechee5150 You made the same crack about Kinsey weeks ago at another website, an ad hominem tactic to smear one guy with another. Sorry, neechee, I do not base my theorizing on Kinsey. But I do maintain that from adolescence on we males all experience lots of sexual urges, most of which, in our civilizations, are frustrated. One exception is Scandinavian countries where parents openly allow adolescents to sleep over together and such, according to my brother, a parent there.
@joefriendly you are the one who has repleatedly falaciously obviscated the key questions at hand not I, and I did not use an ad hominem falacy because if your theory has no basis in the works of Kinsey or his subsequent deciples, then you are immune to the ethical lapses and picking specific sample subjects inorder to get the desired results as Kinsey did. You have yet to resolve and/or address any of the contradictions key questions that I as well as other posters have raised.
What happens to the feminist mantra of my body my decision in this discusion? By their own mantra, feminists have no legitimate right or credibility to even comment on this issue. Also what kind of a woman talks in a public forum about her dad's genitals? I wonder how Andrea would feel if her father were discussing her genital asthetics and gynecology care in a public forum? Femisints have no right to even take a position on this issue without convicting themselves of hypocricy.
umm, jesus fuckin christ. you don't amputate erogenous tissue just because of a minor infection that was likely caused by idiotic doctors or mistaught parents who forcibly retracted the dudes foreskin at birth and paid for it years later.
Foreskin feels AWESOME and i can tell ANYONE that yes you DO need it.
just so your all informed, those penis hoods are used again in various makeup products like foundations and creams.... lol. be careful what your kissing. I hear its massive in the U.S due to hygiene reasons... or did that just need them more than teaching kids how to wash properly.
IF YOU LIVE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, It's an Easy, quick, fast decision to say to your self, "it's NOT my penis, only the owner should be making this decision"!! Girls & Animals have foreskin too!! (woman's foreskin for sexual pleasure is called the clitoral hood)! The male internal foreskin (Hood) has 5 times the amount of sexual nerves than the head(glans)!!
This article continues to explore and explode the myths, lies and half-truths about circumcision which those opposed to it put out as part of their deliberate misinformation campaign. This is particularly pernicious here on the Internet where many young, gullible teenagers and new parents are seeking genuine information; and the liars can hide behind pseudonyms and anonymous e-mail re-mailers
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Circumcision is good! Stop the lies you pathetic foreskin fanatics!
P.S. People don't relay on YOUTUBE for proper info. People lie here all the time. The majority of ppl that make comments here on YOUTUBE are insecure uncircumcised males that don't want to be made fun of any more so they insult the circumcised. Its quite sad really.
@fstms3 We dont get our facts from just the Internet.We get them from real-life examples.There are plenty of them.Look around.The effects have been obvious since circumcision was made tradition.Now,people are speaking more openly about sex and exchanging information on a broader scale.
Circumcision is mutilation for male(or f).Theres a history as to why the tradition of circumcision started that you should probably look into.Text is to limited here to sum up,but youre a good researcher,I'm sure.
The FACTS are, infant circumcision is harmful, unnecessary, and merely the carrying over of some stone-age superstitious attempt to control people and their sexuality by getting people to harm genitals.
Once you can get people to deliberately harm their own children, you can get them to do and believe anything--regardless of how evil.
@Tandykane Don't tell me! Tell someone who actually thinks circumcision is healthy. Even as a woman, I'm effected by male circumcision. It IS harmful. It's an awful thing to do to a defenseless infant.
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I had mine foreskin removed 10years ago and thank GOD!! Sex and hygiene are way better! Plus most women prefer it by far Im just lolling at all these foreskin fanatics! Just say no to dick cheese! That shit accumulates ASAP even after you take a shower its nasty period.
So, fstms3... exactly how many videos have you spammed today? What is the point? Are you worried that people won't think you're a man, or something?
If you got dick cheese that easily, maybe you had some kind of infection? There are creams and tablets for that kind of thing... but you chose to get some of the best parts of your penis cut off.
Spamming videos? Hardly just telling the truth. You Foreskin fanatics are spreading false propaganda around because you're insecure with your elephant / smelly cheese dick.
Forced genital mutilation is wrong because it is forced. If an adult wants to get circumcised, good for you go right ahead. But remember babies DO have a right to physical autonomy.
It is very unfortunate that physicians lie, hide or ignore therapeutic alternatives that should be tried first, before surgical approach to foreskin infection.
It is hard to know their real motivations: money, religion or ignorance about alternatives.
Regardless of which option I can imagine, there might be huge ethical implications in the medicine and human health care.
In addition medical errors will always cause compassion in mentally normal individuals... not a mock.
One must not be a doctor. Everybody can retrieve the irresponsible approval of "HalfG-Ds in White" for CC as "best solution" (against better knowledge neglecting the 3 non-amputative alternatives thus against the Hipocratic oath) on the internet.
When Victoria's dad was 20 and had a foreskin infection, what makes you think he "had to have a circumcision"? When a woman gets a vulval infection, does she have to have the infected part amputated? She takes an antibiotic (or pharmacy medicine), right?
In Europe, circumcision is normally performed as a last resort, since most men want to keep their foreskin. Genital infections are much commoner in women, yet women don't seek surgical correction for them.
if females will only suck a circumcised cock,then we men have to circumcise because i can't live without blowjobs,its better than vaginal sex most of the time
shut up,how are you going to try to correct me,but you aren't certain of the term yourself,and you probably spelled it wrong,who needs a word for it when i gave the description of it,lol.Think before you type
European women would find the circumcised penis something to feel sorry for. A circumcised dick looks disfigured; but worse, its function is impaired.
Most European ladies have never seen a circumcised penis. It's time more American women got used to what is normal and natural. THEIR genital integrity is respected, so why isn't their men's?
Of the developed countries, only the USA subjects most of its baby boys to circumcision. What a retarded nation!
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I like European women,I'm a black man with muscles,and a maniac attitude,but hot white women keep me calm,if they know their role,like the rock says.I'm glad they love uncircumcised penis,but i know they will live my partial circumcised penis too,i still have foreskin,but i had the tip removed,and the frenulum removed.forgive me for this last sentence,lol.Now suck my cock you beautiful European bitches
keepskatin, I'm sure you'd be popular in Europe. European women tend to prefer the natural penis, because they're used to it. Furthermore, the foreskin, folded back upon the erect penis underneath the penis head, adds girth and stimulates the vulva. But most European women won't mind either way. My only advice to you is to leave any sons of yours UNCUT, as Nature intended. There's no more reason for a guy to have HIS foreskin removed than for a woman to have HER clitoral hood & inner labia cut!
The frenulum (which attaches the foreskin to the penis shaft) is very, very sensory. It's equivalent in the female is the inner labia. The foreskin tip is very erogenous, densely endowed with fine-touch nerve receptors. But if the rest of the foreskin is left (partial circumcision), at least the penis head (glans) will have most of its sensitivity preserved. As a membrane, the glans is designed to have a protective covering (when not erect). In erection, the glans is normally fully exposed.
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I hope you are a female talking about my penis like this,only women can comment about my penis.Also i couldn't espose the glands when erect so i had to get some foreskin,and the frenulum was too short so i had to cut it too
Keepsakatin: regardless of gender, I can't comment on your penis without seeing it.
Btw, the term is "glans" for a penis not "glands" (glands secrete hormones!). I'm glad you were able to plan with your circumciser exactly how you wanted the procedure done, and are happy.
I'm only interested in discouraging infant circumcision, which is a highly unethical procedure: His body means his choice.
To me, you're not particularly interesting. As an American, you're probably an ignoramus.
Back in the 1950s and before that women weren't sucking dick,so they didn't care about circumcision,now blow jobs are more common than vaginal sex so females prefer circumcision,because it looks sexier
and ye. the foreskin is really sensitive and it feels really nice just to touch it.. it keeps bakteria and infection away from the penis and it cleans and lubricated the penis the way it is supposed to. circumsized penises are dry, tougher on the surface and not nearly as sensitive as an uncut one. i would never ever let anyone have my foreskin cut off.
europe, asia and south america arent doing this because its stupid and unnatural. dont do it. pls
Contains about 4,000 nerve endings, but they are pressure/pain-sensitive, not touch sensitive. These pain-sensitive nerves are called "Free Nerves"
Male Foreskin:
Contains about 20,000 nerve endings which are extremely touch sensitive (like the female clitoris). These touch-sensitive nerves are called "Meissner's Corpuscles"
The foreskin is most definitely necessary. It is the most densely nerved part of the penis. It protects the glans from dryness and abrasion. It provides a gliding action during sex, making it more pleasurable for the man and his sex partner. Could a man live without it? Sure. A man could also live with one testicle, he could live without his pinky toes, he could still see with just one eye--but why would you want to? If it isn't already broke, you can't fix it.
You and Victoria may wish to check out Rachel Pepper's book, The Ultimate Pregnancy Guide for Lesbians While many books on pregnancy and childcare still take the wishy-washy stance that it's up to the parents to decide, Rachel's advice to protect the child's right to genital integrity is wonderful.
Anthropologists explain that rituals that involve taking the baby away from the mother for an "improvement" usurp her natural protective instinct to protect her young.
Please tell Victoria that it doesn't matter how she feels about circumcision. The penis does not belong to her. It belongs to the baby. Please watch a video "Circumcision? WTF?!" by PhineasMD. It was made by a young man who is questioning his own circumcision and the fact that the choice of what to do with his penis was taken from him. Please leave this important decision to the man this baby becomes.
@2live42day Excellent comment. If the penis in question is not attached to your body, it is not your decision. It is that simple. A woman should have absolutely Zero say in this matter period. Let the boy decide when he gets old enough to make his own choices for HIS body.
leave children alone
calabiyou 1 week ago
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Every cut and uncut guy just wants to see the boobies. So just show the boobies. Vote up if you agree.
MacHead31 8 months ago
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Why do people care so much about skin on a dick when it is really about the size of the boobies?
MacHead31 8 months ago
why are people even conversing with joefriendly? He is a complete buffoon, a half-wit. He talks complete nonsense. Don't even bother replying to his retarded messages. Just vote them down.
bekaybe 11 months ago
neechee, Tandykane, and pungifungi keep plugging away at this site and others dealing with the circumcision question with minds totally closed to the idea that circumcision promotes civilizing by integrating sexual sensations along with other sensations and emotions of the infant's developing mind, rather than postponement until adolescence when sexual urges usually suffer frustration unless acted out animally.They insist foreskin removal trauma is catastrophic. Healing happens! Then mmmm, nice!
joefriendly 1 year ago
How about this reasoning, for even those mentally challenged like candypants: From an evolutionary perspective, why is sex pleasurable? How pleasurable need it be for (1.) enough babies to be produced and (2.) the mental health of the participants? Or, as Jesus might have said, "Enough, already!' Instead of a full measure of pleasure in adulthood, some is spent on more mental development.
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
Instead of propping up your unsupported speculation with even more facile and specious speculations, that instead, you concentrate on proving your ORIGINAL speculation, ie. that circumcision increases intelligence.
Don't try introducing something as irrational as superstitions..give us evidence.
The full measure of pleasure is that which one was born to have!
Tandykane 1 year ago 4
@Tandykane You insist on proof! Proof! Proof! I'm a theoretician! Someone else will eventually come along and prove it. Probably! But I do complain what it takes to prove things in psychology typically takes applying for grants, raising money, academic politics, etc, as if a wall of fire at the gates of Accepted Truth. In view of that hitch in the way things are, there's need to be open to reasonable theories before they're officially proven. You need to be more open-minded, for a change!
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
hell, if you present a theory to explain a speculation, then I damn well will demand proof for the speculation--otherwise all you are doing is farting in a windstorm..
Come up with an OBSERVED phenomena, and then present an hypothesis, then it might be possible to get grant money, but no sane person would give you money to check an hypothesis for something imaginary.
your "theorizing" is nothing but childish toying with imaginary things.
Tandykane 1 year ago 2
Neonatal circumcision might increase intelligence by integrating infant's glans sensations with early associations of sight, sound, touch, sense of self, and thinking that would otherwise be largely delayed until adolescence. The purpose of the foreskin seems to be to create a separate state of mind beginning in adolescence, when erections exposing the glans are frequent, involving an urgency to intercourse and reward for following thru. Evolution valued making more babies over intelligence
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
Yeh, but then again, since many men keep their brains between their legs--losing the majority of nerves there might them dumber.
BTW, the earliest sensation from the penis when circumcised is excruciating pain.
Tandykane 1 year ago
@joefriendly , stop with this bullshit about intelligence and circumcision. Nobody here is buying it. Those who do are like you, deluding and convincing yourself that what you were taught was true when the overwhelming evidence show otherwise.
PungiFungi 1 year ago
@PungiFungi If you have at the very CORE of the developing mind, more stimulation, like from an exposed penis, there is going to be greater branching, more complex networking. Buy it or not! The usual comeback is that the trauma from the surgery does so much harm as to undue whatever benefit. That I don't buy! Yes, there is some trauma, but it soon heals. Then, so much more stimulation, EARLY in development when it does the most good!
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
You still need to explain how losing a physical portion of the brain through atrophy can be beneficial.
If one accepted this ridiculous notion then cutting off a leg should be beneficial since the nerves at the stump would be stimulated and cause more branching in the brain, and just how would they branch into an atrophied part of the brain?
Tandykane 1 year ago
@Tandykane Losing a physical portion of the brain? Surely you know better than that mischaracterization of my post. Therefore it was not made in good faith. Yes, every part of the body has associated areas in the cortex. So the foreskin has an associated area in the cortex. But the foreskin is not a part of the brain! You believe the foreskin's supposedly many nerve endings are stimulated much in infancy? The outside? Maybe the inner side of the foreskin is so alive during an erection.
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
Oh, spare me your BS. Go watch the PBS special "The Living Brain"--there they did MRI scans that showed that people who lost or who were missing body parts, that the part of the brain dedicated to that part atrophied--the longer the part missing, the greater the atrophy.
Now with this evidence, what does it do to your silly claims?
Tandykane 1 year ago
@Tandykane Oh, now I see! The Living Brain! Do you really believe there is ever growing atrophy in the brain from neonatal removal of the foreskin, or have you developed some functional understanding of the brain from your TV watching or whatever to help you over that hump, to realize there is branching with new cells and fibers over and around dead cells by brain/body parts getting the extra stimulation in early development? The way the Brain Lives is to grow around dead cells.
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
Have you watched the program? looked at the evidence? If not, then speaking from ignorance is all you have.
Watch it, and then refute it and save your silly concepts for those stupid enough to accept delusions over evidence.
Still waiting for evidence for this alleged intelligence increase. WHERE is it?
Tandykane 1 year ago
@joefriendly
Have you watched the program? looked at the evidence? If not, then speaking from ignorance is all you have.
Watch it, and then refute it and save your silly concepts for those stupid enough to accept delusions over evidence.
Still waiting for evidence for this alleged intelligence increase. WHERE is it? Without it, your imaginings are just silly.
Tandykane 1 year ago
@joefriendly
And once again, if you are claiming an increase in intelligence from circumcision and then proposing a mechanism for this, you must FIRST provide proof for this intelligence increase BEFORE inventing a mechanism.. a mechanism for an imaginary condition is downright silly.
Tandykane 1 year ago
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joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
You are facing a fundamental problem--without evidence to support your first speculation, all you are doing is speculating on a speculation.
So, AGAIN, where is the evidence for your imaginary increase of intelligence from circumcision?
"What atrophied was the covering that had prevented the stimulation."
Any evidence for this speculation?
Tandykane 1 year ago
@Tandykane @Tandykane So simple. You need statistics for the simple proposition that the extra stimulation ---of the type we are addressing--- causes more neural growth, more connections, more cells, greater complexity of neural networking in the development of mind/brain. What atrophied was the tiny area in the cortex for associations with the covering that had prevented the stimulation. Sorry, foreskin, bye-bye.
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
it may be simple to a simple mind, but not that simple after all, you STILL need to provide evidence for this alleged intelligence increase.
"What atrophied was the tiny area in the cortex for associations with the covering that had prevented the stimulation. " And now there is something else you need to support with evidence--when can we expect THIS evidence--and the previously asked-for evidence?
You have a lot of pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo--now all you need is evidence.
Tandykane 1 year ago
@Tandykane You call my theory pseudo-scientific mumbo jumbo. It is a straightforward application of what is known about how our neural systems work. More stimulation, early, more neural development. Some trauma added to the situation, OK some conflict. You and your anti-circumcision colleagues argue so much trauma that the additional SEXUAL stimulation doesn't count. Proof will happen eventually. I submit til then reasonableness of the theory speaks for itself, your deafness notwithstanding
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
All you are doing is verbally dancing around..stop the dancing and provide evidence for your primary speculation of intelligence increase. If one starts out with a silly premise logic can lead one to any conclusion one wants..but the initial premise must be valid for the logic to reach a CORRECT conclusion.
Tandykane 1 year ago
@joefriendly You have yet to explain how the way the nerve thresholds on the glans are affected by circumcision. How do you reconcile the fact that keratinisation also increase the threshold of nerves in the glans? Last but not least, you have yet to reconcile how circumcision results in pain and trauma which impact the nerve system, the brain, the brain chemistry and the endocrine system in a manner that is totally oppostite of pleasure, and trauma does in fact delay and stunt development.
neechee5150 1 year ago
@joefriendly In addition, if you are basing anything in your "theory" on the work of Kinsey, you should do some indepth research on what Kinsey's main child research "assistant" did to these children. Kinsey aided and abetted and was an accesory after the fact and likely during the fact as well to one of the worst serial pedophiles in US history. Kinsey based his "evidence" of child sexuality on the observations of a serial pedophile who by definition is not even remotely objectivtive
neechee5150 1 year ago
@joefriendly ,if trauma = stimulation = intelligence then why circumcision? Why not spank the baby then? Then I suppose female circumcision will have the same effect too then? I assume you are circumcised, and judging by your reasoning, you are proof that your theory is furthest from the truth. Please.
PungiFungi 1 year ago
@PungiFungi Can't quite get what I'm trying to explain, eh? Wanna stay hung up on the trauma of removing the protective coating of the penis that would otherwise isolate the penis from early stimulation? OK it's TRAUMATIC, hopefully minimized by anesthesia. Better if no trauma at all, but OK, trauma! NEVERTHELESS, afterwards the penis is out there, uncovered. So, after the healing, there is considerable SEXUAL STIMULATION added to the mix of sight and sound at the CORE of the developing mind!
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly , it seems you are trying to convince yourself that your circumcision was a good thing for you. No it is not. I don't know why you are disparaging the testimony of men who are uncut over a theory that has not yet even proven. I suppose girl infants loses out in the intelligence department?
PungiFungi 1 year ago
@PungiFungi, Tandykane: Up for consideration, whether to continue the widespread practice of circumcision thruout the USA and other nations. It was extended at the end of WW2 from Jews and Muslims to many of the population in the US. Now various medical groups are urging it discontinued. I urge it's beneficial to integrate sexual sensations in the male infant's developing mind rather than postponing until adolescence. Reasonableness deserves benefit of doubt while awaiting proof. That's silly?
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly
And according to the CDC, the rate of circumcision in the US has dropped to ~33%..
So, exactly how does this, in any way, support you silly speculation? You still need to supply evidence for this alleged increase of intelligence.
Urge all you want, it is still childish nonsense...and no where can rational people consider it "reasonable".
It is not reasonable to mutilate infant penises based on completely empty nonsense.
Tandykane 1 year ago
@Tandykane , I wouldn't doubt it if joefriendly is some pedophile. What he says is disturbing, as disturbing as another nut, sjbeacher, who says he will not be seen with uncut boys. I assume he pull their pants down and do an inspection.
PungiFungi 1 year ago
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@joefriendly w,hat is silly is that what good are those sensation when the penis will lose these very sensation because of constant expouse to outside stimuli. Common sense (keeping the head of penis sensitive) deserves benefit of doubt while awaiting proof (raising intelligence through mutilation).
PungiFungi 1 year ago
@joefriendly , how ironic that these sexual sensations will be lost later on. How reasonable is that? What is reasonable is simple plain common sense. Exposing a sensitive part of a boby will only causes it to lose sensation.
PungiFungi 1 year ago
@joefriendly Your comentary sounds as though you are a deciple of the infamous Dr. Kinsey. I hope that your "theory" is not based upon anything Kinsey or his followers have said or written. Dr, Kinsey's work is so flawed desgin wise and completely void of any sound statistical research methodology that it amounts to littel more than the propaganda of a sexual deviant, perverted old man with an agenda.
neechee5150 1 year ago
@neechee5150 You made the same crack about Kinsey weeks ago at another website, an ad hominem tactic to smear one guy with another. Sorry, neechee, I do not base my theorizing on Kinsey. But I do maintain that from adolescence on we males all experience lots of sexual urges, most of which, in our civilizations, are frustrated. One exception is Scandinavian countries where parents openly allow adolescents to sleep over together and such, according to my brother, a parent there.
joefriendly 1 year ago
@joefriendly you are the one who has repleatedly falaciously obviscated the key questions at hand not I, and I did not use an ad hominem falacy because if your theory has no basis in the works of Kinsey or his subsequent deciples, then you are immune to the ethical lapses and picking specific sample subjects inorder to get the desired results as Kinsey did. You have yet to resolve and/or address any of the contradictions key questions that I as well as other posters have raised.
neechee5150 1 year ago
What happens to the feminist mantra of my body my decision in this discusion? By their own mantra, feminists have no legitimate right or credibility to even comment on this issue. Also what kind of a woman talks in a public forum about her dad's genitals? I wonder how Andrea would feel if her father were discussing her genital asthetics and gynecology care in a public forum? Femisints have no right to even take a position on this issue without convicting themselves of hypocricy.
neechee5150 1 year ago
omg... more than 2 minutes of this would be pure torture to me....
BeyondOrwell 1 year ago
umm, jesus fuckin christ. you don't amputate erogenous tissue just because of a minor infection that was likely caused by idiotic doctors or mistaught parents who forcibly retracted the dudes foreskin at birth and paid for it years later.
Foreskin feels AWESOME and i can tell ANYONE that yes you DO need it.
drealgrin 1 year ago 4
just so your all informed, those penis hoods are used again in various makeup products like foundations and creams.... lol. be careful what your kissing. I hear its massive in the U.S due to hygiene reasons... or did that just need them more than teaching kids how to wash properly.
crimberland 1 year ago
IF YOU LIVE FOR HUMAN RIGHTS, It's an Easy, quick, fast decision to say to your self, "it's NOT my penis, only the owner should be making this decision"!! Girls & Animals have foreskin too!! (woman's foreskin for sexual pleasure is called the clitoral hood)! The male internal foreskin (Hood) has 5 times the amount of sexual nerves than the head(glans)!!
seaco2000 1 year ago 4
Myths, Lies and Half-Truths
about Male Circumcision (Part 2)
by Geoffrey Francis
This article continues to explore and explode the myths, lies and half-truths about circumcision which those opposed to it put out as part of their deliberate misinformation campaign. This is particularly pernicious here on the Internet where many young, gullible teenagers and new parents are seeking genuine information; and the liars can hide behind pseudonyms and anonymous e-mail re-mailers
fstms3 2 years ago
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Circumcision is good! Stop the lies you pathetic foreskin fanatics!
P.S. People don't relay on YOUTUBE for proper info. People lie here all the time. The majority of ppl that make comments here on YOUTUBE are insecure uncircumcised males that don't want to be made fun of any more so they insult the circumcised. Its quite sad really.
fstms3 2 years ago
@fstms3 We dont get our facts from just the Internet.We get them from real-life examples.There are plenty of them.Look around.The effects have been obvious since circumcision was made tradition.Now,people are speaking more openly about sex and exchanging information on a broader scale.
Circumcision is mutilation for male(or f).Theres a history as to why the tradition of circumcision started that you should probably look into.Text is to limited here to sum up,but youre a good researcher,I'm sure.
RachelSchaal 1 year ago
@RachelSchaal
The FACTS are, infant circumcision is harmful, unnecessary, and merely the carrying over of some stone-age superstitious attempt to control people and their sexuality by getting people to harm genitals.
Once you can get people to deliberately harm their own children, you can get them to do and believe anything--regardless of how evil.
Tandykane 1 year ago
@Tandykane Don't tell me! Tell someone who actually thinks circumcision is healthy. Even as a woman, I'm effected by male circumcision. It IS harmful. It's an awful thing to do to a defenseless infant.
RachelSchaal 1 year ago
@RachelSchaal
I was just adding (expanding) on your comment--sorry for the wrong impression.
I was trying to say that EVEN the facts (along with life experiences) are contrary to genital mutilation--there are no pros to it!
Tandykane 1 year ago
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I had mine foreskin removed 10years ago and thank GOD!! Sex and hygiene are way better! Plus most women prefer it by far Im just lolling at all these foreskin fanatics! Just say no to dick cheese! That shit accumulates ASAP even after you take a shower its nasty period.
fstms3 2 years ago
So, fstms3... exactly how many videos have you spammed today? What is the point? Are you worried that people won't think you're a man, or something?
If you got dick cheese that easily, maybe you had some kind of infection? There are creams and tablets for that kind of thing... but you chose to get some of the best parts of your penis cut off.
Not very bright.
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago
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@FantasmaBAnco
Spamming videos? Hardly just telling the truth. You Foreskin fanatics are spreading false propaganda around because you're insecure with your elephant / smelly cheese dick.
fstms3 2 years ago
I don't have a dick, fstms3.
Do at least try to get your facts straight before making an arse of yourself.
FantasmaBAnco 2 years ago 3
Forced genital mutilation is wrong because it is forced. If an adult wants to get circumcised, good for you go right ahead. But remember babies DO have a right to physical autonomy.
sabisabiwa 2 years ago 14
I think theres a shortage of match boxes in america, they need those circumcised penis' to strike matches on
eldictator1 2 years ago
2.5 kids what your going to have a half kid or what
sparky41684 2 years ago
How lucky is that?
An hypothetical girl 35 years old is diagnosed with breast cancer.
She has to go through a mastectomy to TRY to save her life.
How lucky is that?
Note 1: let's no talk about numbers of how frequent this hypothetical case occurs
Note 2: There is probably no alternative therapy in these unfortunate clinical cases.
ihma81 2 years ago 6
It is very unfortunate that physicians lie, hide or ignore therapeutic alternatives that should be tried first, before surgical approach to foreskin infection.
It is hard to know their real motivations: money, religion or ignorance about alternatives.
Regardless of which option I can imagine, there might be huge ethical implications in the medicine and human health care.
In addition medical errors will always cause compassion in mentally normal individuals... not a mock.
ihma81 2 years ago 12
are you a doctor? if not then why do you say that doctors are lying if you don't know more than a doctor
illcommentu 2 years ago
"Are you a doctor"
One must not be a doctor. Everybody can retrieve the irresponsible approval of "HalfG-Ds in White" for CC as "best solution" (against better knowledge neglecting the 3 non-amputative alternatives thus against the Hipocratic oath) on the internet.
kleenex3000 2 years ago
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let me rephrase my last comment,only hot white women can comment about my penis,17 to 55 year old hot white women
Keepskatin 2 years ago
When Victoria's dad was 20 and had a foreskin infection, what makes you think he "had to have a circumcision"? When a woman gets a vulval infection, does she have to have the infected part amputated? She takes an antibiotic (or pharmacy medicine), right?
In Europe, circumcision is normally performed as a last resort, since most men want to keep their foreskin. Genital infections are much commoner in women, yet women don't seek surgical correction for them.
psandbergnz 2 years ago 7
if females will only suck a circumcised cock,then we men have to circumcise because i can't live without blowjobs,its better than vaginal sex most of the time
Keepskatin 2 years ago
You're a sicko!
rationalway 2 years ago 3
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rationalway 2 years ago
shut up,how are you going to try to correct me,but you aren't certain of the term yourself,and you probably spelled it wrong,who needs a word for it when i gave the description of it,lol.Think before you type
Keepskatin 2 years ago
Ahhh, does the little baby want his foreskin back?
rationalway 2 years ago 2
European women would find the circumcised penis something to feel sorry for. A circumcised dick looks disfigured; but worse, its function is impaired.
Most European ladies have never seen a circumcised penis. It's time more American women got used to what is normal and natural. THEIR genital integrity is respected, so why isn't their men's?
Of the developed countries, only the USA subjects most of its baby boys to circumcision. What a retarded nation!
psandbergnz 2 years ago 8
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I like European women,I'm a black man with muscles,and a maniac attitude,but hot white women keep me calm,if they know their role,like the rock says.I'm glad they love uncircumcised penis,but i know they will live my partial circumcised penis too,i still have foreskin,but i had the tip removed,and the frenulum removed.forgive me for this last sentence,lol.Now suck my cock you beautiful European bitches
Keepskatin 2 years ago
keepskatin, I'm sure you'd be popular in Europe. European women tend to prefer the natural penis, because they're used to it. Furthermore, the foreskin, folded back upon the erect penis underneath the penis head, adds girth and stimulates the vulva. But most European women won't mind either way. My only advice to you is to leave any sons of yours UNCUT, as Nature intended. There's no more reason for a guy to have HIS foreskin removed than for a woman to have HER clitoral hood & inner labia cut!
psandbergnz 2 years ago 6
The frenulum (which attaches the foreskin to the penis shaft) is very, very sensory. It's equivalent in the female is the inner labia. The foreskin tip is very erogenous, densely endowed with fine-touch nerve receptors. But if the rest of the foreskin is left (partial circumcision), at least the penis head (glans) will have most of its sensitivity preserved. As a membrane, the glans is designed to have a protective covering (when not erect). In erection, the glans is normally fully exposed.
psandbergnz 2 years ago 6
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I hope you are a female talking about my penis like this,only women can comment about my penis.Also i couldn't espose the glands when erect so i had to get some foreskin,and the frenulum was too short so i had to cut it too
Keepskatin 2 years ago
Keepsakatin: regardless of gender, I can't comment on your penis without seeing it.
Btw, the term is "glans" for a penis not "glands" (glands secrete hormones!). I'm glad you were able to plan with your circumciser exactly how you wanted the procedure done, and are happy.
I'm only interested in discouraging infant circumcision, which is a highly unethical procedure: His body means his choice.
To me, you're not particularly interesting. As an American, you're probably an ignoramus.
psandbergnz 2 years ago 7
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uhhh stop asking to see my penis,that's gay,i'm not falling for your tricks.If you have a hot sister,or wife i will show her,not in your presence
Keepskatin 2 years ago
The foreskin has more than 20,000 nerve endings! The clitoris has around 8,000!
rationalway 3 years ago 27
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Back in the 1950s and before that women weren't sucking dick,so they didn't care about circumcision,now blow jobs are more common than vaginal sex so females prefer circumcision,because it looks sexier
Keepskatin 2 years ago
if a man doesnt need his foreskin, then a women doesnt need her clitoris. could u imagine cutting ur clitoris off? if not - dont cut ur son.
manwithemeraldeyes 3 years ago 10
i dont believe that he had a skin infection.
and ye. the foreskin is really sensitive and it feels really nice just to touch it.. it keeps bakteria and infection away from the penis and it cleans and lubricated the penis the way it is supposed to. circumsized penises are dry, tougher on the surface and not nearly as sensitive as an uncut one. i would never ever let anyone have my foreskin cut off.
europe, asia and south america arent doing this because its stupid and unnatural. dont do it. pls
manwithemeraldeyes 3 years ago 8
Are you gay?
bubbaa3 3 years ago
Male Glans (head): 4,000 nerve endings
Female Clitoris: 8,000 nerve endings
Male Foreskin: 20,000 nerve endings
The Male Glans:
Contains about 4,000 nerve endings, but they are pressure/pain-sensitive, not touch sensitive. These pain-sensitive nerves are called "Free Nerves"
Male Foreskin:
Contains about 20,000 nerve endings which are extremely touch sensitive (like the female clitoris). These touch-sensitive nerves are called "Meissner's Corpuscles"
freedom0f5peech 3 years ago 8
The foreskin is most definitely necessary. It is the most densely nerved part of the penis. It protects the glans from dryness and abrasion. It provides a gliding action during sex, making it more pleasurable for the man and his sex partner. Could a man live without it? Sure. A man could also live with one testicle, he could live without his pinky toes, he could still see with just one eye--but why would you want to? If it isn't already broke, you can't fix it.
EscapeSociety 3 years ago 9
You and Victoria may wish to check out Rachel Pepper's book, The Ultimate Pregnancy Guide for Lesbians While many books on pregnancy and childcare still take the wishy-washy stance that it's up to the parents to decide, Rachel's advice to protect the child's right to genital integrity is wonderful.
Anthropologists explain that rituals that involve taking the baby away from the mother for an "improvement" usurp her natural protective instinct to protect her young.
His body, his decision.
intactivist1 3 years ago 9
I say go ahead and talk to the guy and find out what he felt about having it all.
And find out what is different now for him.
lochinvar00465 3 years ago 5
Please tell Victoria that it doesn't matter how she feels about circumcision. The penis does not belong to her. It belongs to the baby. Please watch a video "Circumcision? WTF?!" by PhineasMD. It was made by a young man who is questioning his own circumcision and the fact that the choice of what to do with his penis was taken from him. Please leave this important decision to the man this baby becomes.
2live42day 3 years ago 38
@2live42day Excellent comment. If the penis in question is not attached to your body, it is not your decision. It is that simple. A woman should have absolutely Zero say in this matter period. Let the boy decide when he gets old enough to make his own choices for HIS body.
neechee5150 1 year ago