I liked LinuxMint when I was still new to Linux, and I love Debian as my current OS. Now they are together. Looks like something great to suggest to my girlfriend contemplating switching over to Linux. Thanks for the overview.
i got a question. i'm pretty interested in installing Linux on an "older" laptop. since i heard that linux is the lightest and fastest OS. now, it seems to me that when you use linux, you have to know quite alot of pc / coding / programming languages... or is that just me. I have to admit i'm pretty noob at pc.. so what is the easiest versioin of Linux ... because there are SOOO many versions. but afaik. the most important ones or Ubuntu and Debian. (continued on next post)
can somebody tell me where i can a bit uptodate on all the linux stuff and maybe give me advice and pros/cons concerning the different versions of Linux. i'd be soooo gratefull :D thanks in advance =)
Just installed LMDE today and I got to say, very impressed. The overall speed is faster than Ubuntu and it feels snappier. I can definately see me staying on this distro for awhile.
Same here. Last night, t spent several hours in Skype with two friends,one who was trying out Natty...This guy is a Linux geek,but even he was doing a lot of head banging. The other friend,and I,who listened to a several hour rant, are definitely not going to continue with Ubuntu since they shot themselves in the foot with their "improved" desktop enviroment. I'm REALLY leaning towards Debian Mint duel booting with Fedora.
@PJMAN2952 Actually you can run Word and iTunes in Linux, using Wine. However, the installation may not be as straightforward. But if you have the time to spare and are willing to learn, you will be greatly rewarded - with a very fast system that doesn't crash, doesn't require reboots, doesn't cost anything to use, that you're free to modify and distribute as you please, that is not plagued with viruses and hacking attempts - a system that's worth the hassle. As they say, no pain, no gain.
@PJMAN2952 ah yes. I've heard that so many times. LibreOffice can handle Word files, but it isn't a 100% perfect replacement, and Rhythmbox has a music store plugin for Ubuntu that can be added to Mint.
However, if you're happier with iTunes and Word, by all means, stick to Windows. I feel you should be happy with your OS.
Well im gonna chekout your channel and see those videos. Will let you know if they were useful (obviously all your videos are helpful) but thanks. Keep up the good work!
@thisweekinlinux like a fellow comenter below said, im actually here to learn 2 an I will really apreciate if explained some things in videos. I actually send an email to you but i didnt recieve a response :\. But i will like to know what do you recomend to noobs and maybe somethings about the termina and recommended distro for noobs. IM A REALLY A BIIIG FAN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ;).
@Crazyteen28 did I miss an email from you? It's entirely possible it hit the spam filter. If it's a support request or just a general question, it would probably be best if you posted it on my forum. :)
As far as recommendations for new users, I generally point people in the Ubuntu direction to start.
I've also made a couple of videos teaching about the terminal, if you haven't seen them yet.
if i go into my home folder and look at pictures - it gives me the option to change the view and then it loads up all the little thumbnails beside the files, where usually there would only be a black folder
for some reason, after doing that - i have thumbnails in all dialog boxes!
i don tmean to nag but could you take a minute here or there in your vids to explain certain things
like "its a debian based ubuntu" a lot of us are here at your channel to learn, if you wouldnt mind taking a second to explain what that actually means i for one would appreciate it
@ryancouture I would do that, but the more I explain, the longer the video becomes. If I went into exactly what Ubuntu is, and what Debian is, and what Mint is, and why one would want Mint over Ubuntu, etc, the video would quickly become longer than an hour. :P
I understand the point though. Going into more detail rather than assuming people understand is a great idea.
i just installed ubuntu this morning - its running great i love it, the set up was a bit rough (it was stuck on "getting time from server" for like 15 minutes even though i was connected. and the boot screen resolution was a big messed up the first few boots, but besides that its great.
i was wondering, do you have any idea how to change the view in the save/open pane? like thumbnail view etc. i have to click each individual pic to see it!
@ryancouture oops, delayed reply here. changing the view in the save/open pane doesn't appear to be doable yet. Found some posts on brainstorm.ubuntu.com referencing people wanting it from 2008, and as of 2010 (posts on it) they say it hasn't happened yet.
yer the installer really sucks on the debian edition of mint. Even the latest version.... be nice if they could put ubuntu's installer on the mint debian edition....
I now use this as my dafault os. Very fast and stable, I personally think one thing it will do is show people that its ok to not use ubuntu and still have a great linux experience
@ytvoice1 you should be able to. It might be worth creating a separate user account so you don't have any issues, but it shouldn't be a problem to use the same /home partition (if you have a separate /home partition, that is)
@mentalplayground thanks, I think? I like having the webcam displayed, but you're right, it's a bit of a waste of space. If there's a point where I'm talking and the screencast doesn't need to be up, I can just switch to my camcorder.
@thisweekinlinux well, the problem is that i set the password and the password wont work.
I know that there you are not supposed to see anything in the terminal while you write but even if i tried it often didn't work. I had to write it somewhere else and copy it in to the terminal.
I think i ment Su btw so that you are superuser the hole session. Was some moths since i used linux so i'm a bit rusty
@raket94 ohhh, I get it. Did you ever set a root password on Ubuntu? the sudo and su passwords are actually different. Sudo is the password to give your user account administrative rights, and "su" with nothing else actually logs you in as root. Slightly different.
@MetalShreader kinda, but I don't think they would have the success they do if they didn't start with Ubuntu as a base. It's entirely possible though.
This is really nice. I'm impressed. I really like the idea that it has rolling releases. I did want to ask if a KDE version will be available in the future?
Also,how about complz fusion? Right now I'm using Ubuntu and am comfortable with it. BUT I've also been hearing so much good stuff about this distro.
@Linuxrat From what I read on their forums, Clem (the guy doing most of the work) doesn't have a plan to do KDE until sometime next year, I think. Sorry. :/
This is really nice. I'm impressed. I really like the idea that it has rolling releases. I did want to ask if a KDE version will be available in the future?
Also,how about complz fusion? Ru=ight now I'm using Ubuntu and am comfortable with it.
I am using Linux Mint Debian right now ( dual-booting with Win7) and I find it is very good. I hope they offer in it in KDE edition soon. I think this could mean the Linux Mint could become a true alternative to Ubuntu considering how bloated Ubuntu is getting.
Benchmarks and performance completely invalidated due to running in a virtual machine, this review needs to be on bare-metal system. Yeah though, the Mint team seems to be moving in the right direction, can't wait for the X64 edition.
@jnrivers Well, I haven't really been doing any sort of benchmarking, but I've reviewed quite a few distros this way, with identical virtual machines, so comparing performance is entirely fair.
I have high hopes for LMDE especially once they drop a 64bit version & include the newly OPENSOURCED Broadcom drivers :-) I also heard its supposed to be a bit faster than the Ubuntu version. If they can also match Ubuntu 10.10's boot speed I won't have to ever look for another distro.
@nvanadium you know, so much emphasis is placed on boot time. I guess I'm different from most people, but I just don't care. :P It's rare that I ever reboot my desktop, and generally when I turn on my laptop, I walk away for a few mins anyway. If it was instant-on, that would be different, but they can't fix the bios startup time. :P
@thisweekinlinux Boot up time isn't really critical for me but its still pretty nice. I sometimes have to quickly whip out my laptop in class to take notes or email an assignment. I'm still more concerned with overall system speed and performance of drivers. Keeping fingers crossed for Broadcom drivers to appear in Linux distros quickly .
@thisweekinlinux yea that's true. 30-60 seconds is pretty good boot times already, anything after that is icing on the cake. As you said, I also walk away for a few minutes, or I do something else while it boots.
I think its pretty cool that Linux Mint team is doing this. Definitely gives the Linux Mint fans more of a freedom of choice what they want to use. I noticed you were using Linux Mint, which one do you happen to be using? I was thinking about using the Gnome or Xfce version. Do you know what the benefits of using the Debian version? It feels the same..
@H4x0r18 I'm using the Gnome version of Linux Mint 9 on my laptop for now (not the Debian version).
So far, the main benefit of the Debian version is the rolling release nature of it. It doesn't have the hardware drivers manager, however, but I believe most of the hardware drivers are in the repositories, you just have to know what to look for.
@DragardKaos I paid $15 for Linux Mint 9 from the Linux Mint 9 magazine at MicroCenter. My favorite part: after installing goto Sound & Video, Install Multi Media Codecs, and video plays with no problem in Firefox. I also bought Ubuntu but I don't seem to have enough horse power to run it. Both installed very easily.
@sirpecangum That I'm not really sure about. I believe Debian was/is planning to go to it for Squeeze, so perhaps it is. Is there an easy way to tell? (I've never looked)
Installing all updates to Mint Debian and it asks if I want to keep or replace initramfs.conf. What is the recommended choice for config files? Never had these kind of update questions in Ubuntu so not sure what to do. Glad if you can help.
@7wi1igh7 I've noticed some of those questions, and usually it's best to keep the existing ones. From what I've noticed, if it's trying to replace configuration files, it's trying to go back to the default Ubuntu or Debian ones (depending on which Mint version you've got).
Too bad for us KDE users its only in Gnome, but I know its just a test thing for now. Still I am pretty impressed with it, and have become far less impressed with Ubuntu's direction.
I really like the fact that it's a rolling distro, so it's always up-to-date with the software and no need to reinstall the OS (unless there was a horrible crash of some sort).
I'll run it in virtualbox for few weeks then if everything OK I'll replace Ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop. If they make 64 bit edition I'll install it on my desktop.
Rolling releases that's something I intend to use exclusively on my desktops.
The interesting part will be when Debian Sqeeze becomes stable and new testing cycle begins. Will things start to break, now the testing packages are almost stable since the release of Debian Squeeze is getting close.
The ndiswrapper really is a break it or make thing for Linux I feel, many people don't have access to a wired connection at their own leisure and that really fucks em' over. They need to include that in ALL Linux distros IMO.
Regarding rolling releases/distros. I not only like the idea but I think its going to be absolutely necessary as thing progress. The GNU/Linux community is producing code and changes at break neck speeds. I think the only way to keep things moving at this pace and advancing is to have a perpetual stream of reporting, fixing, creations, updates. Just my two cents.
This is perhaps completely off topic but how about a review of AppArmor and SELinux. Im more than perturbed at the thought of ubuntu "dropping" SELinux for something that is blatantly inadequate in comparison. I might do it but I have this problem. Each time I touch an ubuntu DVD or URL with the mouse... My hand bursts into flames. jk I actually have Bio-Linux on a laptop. Which brings me to the next one. You could review Bio-Linux 6 but its basically just Ubuntu 10.04 for biology nerds.
@daeamarth I think a comparison of AppArmor/SELinux would be a great idea. I don't have a ton of knowledge about them, of course, but when I get the time, I can start reading up on them.
@jeaquares Correct. I used Compiz to zoom in on the center section of the screen to show off the VirtualBox, but gtk-recordmydesktop to actually do the capturing.
for me, 'rolling release' stands for 'perpetual beta', but i think i've mentioned that before.
i'm testing LMDE right now on my secondary partition, and thankfully, it's really easy to disable the 'rolling' nature of it: you can edit the sources.list to use it as a Debian testing (and probably stable once Squeeze releases).
@bamdadkhan Will you comment out the Mint repos? I don't know if it will work with stable if you don't comment them out. You could have unmet dependencies because of old versions of packages in stable.
@TobiSGD you're right. a guy on the Mint forums said that the mint repo will follow the debian testing ones, so i'll comment them out once Squeeze is 'stable'.
@bamdadkhan Sorry, but you are total BS.. I've been using a rolling release distro (Arch Linux) for more than a half year, and I've never had any problems.
@bamdadkhan And what are you basing your statement on? Please tell me?.. Btw, I'm not basing my opinion only on my own experience. I know lots of other people who been using Arch without problems, and only a few who have had problems.
@paldepind me? my experience. :D but i didn't say anything like 'using a rolling release without problems is total BS'. :P btw, remember the massive KDE breakage in arch about a year ago? or the guy on the forums creting an 'LTS' kernel package to be able to boot if an update breaks the system?
don't get me wrong, i like Arch a lot (especially the BSD init and the KISS attitude), but simply put, i'm one of the 'few' you mentioned.
@bamdadkhan No, you where not. But you where making a general statement saying that rolling release is 'perpetual beta' and I think that's BS since the Arch forum is full of satisfied people without any problems.
I don't know about the problems you mention but I guess the developers gets better all the time, so problems will occur rarer and rarer..
I do, however, understand why you may not want to use a rolling release yourself.
@paldepind okay. let's agree on that if you enable the 'testing' repos, then it's perpetual beta. otherwise it's too cutting-edge to support older hardware, which might not be for everybody. :)
what i'm talking about is that Linux software in general is sometimes beta when released. this has its good and bad sides (good: development is fast; bad: sometimes an update breaks working stuff). if you use a rolling release, you're exposed to this, whether you like it or not.
@bamdadkhan Yes indeed! That's why it's called testing ;D.. What do you mean it doesn't support old hardware? Why wouldn't it?
That definitely depends on what software your using, I recently tried the new KDE release, omg it felt buggy and unstable! But most of the software I use is pretty stable so that's not a problem for me..
@paldepind well, for example my Thinkpad has a Radeon Mobility 7500 M7, and i have to tweak the hell out of xorg and turn off KMS for it to work properly. and on the latest distros (Arch, OpenSUSE), it only gives me a white screen, no matter what i do. on my desktop, though, everything is shiny. btw i really don't care for KDE, it's just not for me.
i'm using Fedora 13 on my laptop's main partition, and trying out LMDE on the second. on my desktop, i use mainly Arch beside OS X.
@bamdadkhan So your point is that because Arch is up to date some old hardware is not supported? Your probably right about that but if you don't want bleeding edge you probably shouldn't be using a rolling release distro in the first place ;)
@paldepind i never disagreed on that. :D as i've said: i use Arch on my desktop. i just don't like in general that updates can break 3 year old hardware. that's not how Linux was a few years ago. but i guess you have to sacrifice something for the rapid changes of late.
@Dehlvien hi, sorry for nagging you about this, but are you using CB Statler? if so, could you please upload the shiki-statler theme somewhere for me? i can't seem to hunt it down from anywhere on the net.
I love having the rolling release function and wish Debian would do this just like Arch Linux however I understand what makes Debian so popular. I love Debian however I am not a fan of Mint. Add to the fact that it's 2010 and if you can't handle a 64-bit OS, you NEED to upgrade your hardware!
@carlosinfl my laptop can't handle a 64 bit OS, and i'm fine with it. i really despise the idea of upgrading hardware instead of optimising software. just look at what they are doing to games: the same game that needs the latest turbo 90000 nVidia crap runs fine on a 6 year old Xbox 360. 10 year old software gets modern jobs done well (e.g. Photoshop 9), and runs on a PIII.
bottom line: linux used to work great on old hardware, and i really hate to see that that's no longer the case.
@carlosinfl You can have rolling release in Debian, just use Debian testing. If you want even more bleeding edge software use Debian unstable, runs fine on my laptop.
Besides, my laptop is amd64-capable but i use 32-bit version with bigmem-kernel because of issues with flash. Runs fine and till now I didn't notice any difference to the 64-bit version.
And no, you don't have to upgrade, besides to my other machines I use an old laptop with 550 MHz-cpu as a jukebox, runs fine with Debian.
@jimbobubbadj I am not an Apple "person" whatever you wrap that to be. This whole "I like my 15 year old POS hardware" becomes too taxing on developers at this point. It's time to move ahead and allow x64 bit to become the standard so we don't have to sit here and listen to all these people cry " I use 32-bit because I need Flash". If we dump 32 bit as legacy and move forward, developers can focus more on writing proper code rather than dealing with your financial limitations or stubbornness.
@carlosinfl I thought the premise of Linux was about open source and being able to work with older hardware and to help people save money. The latest stuff is for Windows and Apple.
@jimbobubbadj that in false. New stuff is not for Windows and Apple. Developers don't compile code for the sake that you can run your P3 or Athlon XP machine. They (devs) do their best to keep a wide range or architecture available but this is a double edged sword for Linux. In my opinion for Linux to mature and have a stronger footprint, we need to lose the "guy running servers out of his basement with 10 year old hardware" image. As far as Linux working with older hardware, it does fine.
@carlosinfl Why does it not work with a common chipset cs46xx of which the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card uses? This chipset is still in new computers today. The most common stuff has to work. OSGUI told me that sometimes linux will not even work with the creative labs sound card audigy, that's one of the most common sound cards. If it doesn't always work with that one, I'm out of words to say.
@thisweekinlinux Yeah, it would be pronounced normally if it was a normal word and not an acronym. Just like the word "GNU", you would get confused if you hear someone pronounce it like the word "Gnu" in the dictionary, wouldn't you? I hope you switch back to the old "guh-nome" pronunciation.
BTW do you recommend the Debian-based Mint over the normal one? I mean what's the difference between them in terms of compatibility with Ubuntu packages and user-friendliness?
@gorogawa I definitely understand your point about the pronunciation. I just prefer saying it without the hard G sound.
At this point I'd still recommend the Ubuntu-based Mint. This one is very early, so things may not work 100% yet. If packages were created specifically for Ubuntu, they might not work with this, but it should still be very user friendly.
hiya. yeah i got this distro in my virtualbox aswell and it runs good and it's fast running on my laptop. Have noticed the differences and yest it looks like the ubuntu
version i also have installed in virtual. so far so good and i,m also testing out the ubuntu10.10 beta.
hiya. yeah i got this distro in my virtualbox aswell and it runs good and it's fast running on my laptop. Have noticed the differences and yest it looks like the ubuntu
version i also have installed in virtual. so far so good and i,m also testing out the ubuntu10.10 beta.
Personally I believe Linux Mint will continue Making Ubuntu base versions Named after Women who's names end with an [A] Julia based on Maverick Meercat is due out in November of 2010. Debian based versions of Linux Mint is only giving users a choice if they want an Ubuntu version of Linux Mint or A Debian version of Linux Mint no big deal. Now for those who hate choices go buy a Mac or an Amiga from A-eon Technology.
I liked LinuxMint when I was still new to Linux, and I love Debian as my current OS. Now they are together. Looks like something great to suggest to my girlfriend contemplating switching over to Linux. Thanks for the overview.
BrokenHorn90 3 months ago
i got a question. i'm pretty interested in installing Linux on an "older" laptop. since i heard that linux is the lightest and fastest OS. now, it seems to me that when you use linux, you have to know quite alot of pc / coding / programming languages... or is that just me. I have to admit i'm pretty noob at pc.. so what is the easiest versioin of Linux ... because there are SOOO many versions. but afaik. the most important ones or Ubuntu and Debian. (continued on next post)
heyaanimerocksheya 3 months ago
can somebody tell me where i can a bit uptodate on all the linux stuff and maybe give me advice and pros/cons concerning the different versions of Linux. i'd be soooo gratefull :D thanks in advance =)
heyaanimerocksheya 3 months ago
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maw88ify 5 months ago
What Internet speed do you have ? Here in Spain I have 4Mb, but I only download at 90kb/s or so...
bellicjr 6 months ago
@bellicjr you download at 90kb/s :o
i download at 50meg lol
th3m8ngtree 5 months ago
I love this better .. than the regular mint :D
jaymitra95 6 months ago
AMMAR GAY
sweetmilkproductions 10 months ago
Just installed LMDE today and I got to say, very impressed. The overall speed is faster than Ubuntu and it feels snappier. I can definately see me staying on this distro for awhile.
DrFreemanJAV 11 months ago
You know, I'm thinking about switching to Debian after the support for Maverick ends.
Simply because of Canonicals policy they follow.
I'll download the current LiveDVD tonight to see if I can work with it.
It's just sad for Unity (on the netbook) and UbuntuOne to sync files between systems.
MegaManNeo 11 months ago
@MegaManNeo
Same here. Last night, t spent several hours in Skype with two friends,one who was trying out Natty...This guy is a Linux geek,but even he was doing a lot of head banging. The other friend,and I,who listened to a several hour rant, are definitely not going to continue with Ubuntu since they shot themselves in the foot with their "improved" desktop enviroment. I'm REALLY leaning towards Debian Mint duel booting with Fedora.
Linuxrat 10 months ago
@Linuxrat Now, I don't even think that Unity or Ubuntu itself are that bad.
But both things got "some" bugs (software-wise as philosophic) that bug ME a lot.
On top of that, I like to stay with Gnome2.3 for a while.
Reason enough to switch, isn't it?
MegaManNeo 10 months ago
@MegaManNeo
It sure is. I get the feeling Shuttleworth has big plans for Ubuntu and I really don't like the direction those plans are going in.
Linuxrat 10 months ago
@Linuxrat Totally agreed.
Well, actually his plans are great and for sure also good to *NIX.
Then again, Canonical does almost nothing upstream-related.
Yea, there is the Software Center but come on!
If they would make things like Unity upstream I'm sure it would work a lot better.
Also, I can't remember reading anywhere that Ubuntu is Linux for Canonical or Shuttleworth.
That's frustrating.
MegaManNeo 10 months ago
1000+ kB/s?! =0 damn thats fast! my isp is just 540 kB/s max
91jmda 11 months ago
I actually like this Debian version more than the Ubuntu version. It's a lot more up to date, and more responsive.
Deliciousfruit233 1 year ago
Best Advice :
Never use Usb to install an Os
SLOW AS HELL
been 3 hours installing linux mint Debian x.x
TheOpensourceFTW 1 year ago
@TheOpensourceFTW Thats the fault of your USB Stick.
A moderate USB Stick is MUCH faster than a CD / DVD.
IHaTeD2 11 months ago
whats that awesome song you got playing dude?
PlanesofExistence 1 year ago
@PlanesofExistence it's called "Deliberate Thought" by Kevin MacLeod.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux There can be only one!!!
Lvl22nerd 11 months ago
@Lvl22nerd lol. :P
thisweekinlinux 11 months ago
@PJMAN2952 Actually you can run Word and iTunes in Linux, using Wine. However, the installation may not be as straightforward. But if you have the time to spare and are willing to learn, you will be greatly rewarded - with a very fast system that doesn't crash, doesn't require reboots, doesn't cost anything to use, that you're free to modify and distribute as you please, that is not plagued with viruses and hacking attempts - a system that's worth the hassle. As they say, no pain, no gain.
dextersgenius 1 year ago
@PJMAN2952 ah yes. I've heard that so many times. LibreOffice can handle Word files, but it isn't a 100% perfect replacement, and Rhythmbox has a music store plugin for Ubuntu that can be added to Mint.
However, if you're happier with iTunes and Word, by all means, stick to Windows. I feel you should be happy with your OS.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@PJMAN2952 the Mint interface is a bit different, but it's essentially the same as the Ubuntu one, with a few minor differences.
Good luck!
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
I'm finally using LMDE :)
philipkimbrell90 1 year ago
@philipkimbrell90 Can any more people share more opinions on LMDE vs. Linux Mint (Ubuntu based)?
brokenthorn15 1 year ago
Hey thanks for this review, I'm going to try out Debian I'd figure, might as well give Linux mint D a try :) love your distro reviews,.
philipkimbrell90 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux
Thanks for the fast response
Well im gonna chekout your channel and see those videos. Will let you know if they were useful (obviously all your videos are helpful) but thanks. Keep up the good work!
Crazyteen28 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux like a fellow comenter below said, im actually here to learn 2 an I will really apreciate if explained some things in videos. I actually send an email to you but i didnt recieve a response :\. But i will like to know what do you recomend to noobs and maybe somethings about the termina and recommended distro for noobs. IM A REALLY A BIIIG FAN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ;).
Crazyteen28 1 year ago
@Crazyteen28 did I miss an email from you? It's entirely possible it hit the spam filter. If it's a support request or just a general question, it would probably be best if you posted it on my forum. :)
As far as recommendations for new users, I generally point people in the Ubuntu direction to start.
I've also made a couple of videos teaching about the terminal, if you haven't seen them yet.
Thanks!
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
You talk fast.
CannibalTr0ll 1 year ago
@CannibalTr0ll thanks for noticing.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@CannibalTr0ll I'd rather him talk fast, than him talking slow like a history teacher, putting you to sleep.
philipkimbrell90 1 year ago
@philipkimbrell90 Very true.
CannibalTr0ll 1 year ago
i actually found a way (somewhat) around it
if i go into my home folder and look at pictures - it gives me the option to change the view and then it loads up all the little thumbnails beside the files, where usually there would only be a black folder
for some reason, after doing that - i have thumbnails in all dialog boxes!
ryancouture 1 year ago
@ryancouture I've seen that before, oops. thought you were talking about thumbnails for all the files, not just one at a time.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
i don tmean to nag but could you take a minute here or there in your vids to explain certain things
like "its a debian based ubuntu" a lot of us are here at your channel to learn, if you wouldnt mind taking a second to explain what that actually means i for one would appreciate it
keep up the good work!
ryancouture 1 year ago
@ryancouture I would do that, but the more I explain, the longer the video becomes. If I went into exactly what Ubuntu is, and what Debian is, and what Mint is, and why one would want Mint over Ubuntu, etc, the video would quickly become longer than an hour. :P
I understand the point though. Going into more detail rather than assuming people understand is a great idea.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux he thinks its a great idea!
i just installed ubuntu this morning - its running great i love it, the set up was a bit rough (it was stuck on "getting time from server" for like 15 minutes even though i was connected. and the boot screen resolution was a big messed up the first few boots, but besides that its great.
i was wondering, do you have any idea how to change the view in the save/open pane? like thumbnail view etc. i have to click each individual pic to see it!
ryancouture 1 year ago
@ryancouture oops, delayed reply here. changing the view in the save/open pane doesn't appear to be doable yet. Found some posts on brainstorm.ubuntu.com referencing people wanting it from 2008, and as of 2010 (posts on it) they say it hasn't happened yet.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
have you made a review of Debian as well?
Slowhand707 1 year ago
@Slowhand707 nope, I haven't. probably should at some point (along with a list of others. :P )
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
So how long did it took for you to install the distro? Seems fast though
RedMclaren 1 year ago
@RedMclaren didn't take terribly long. perhaps a little bit longer than a traditional Ubuntu installation.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
yer the installer really sucks on the debian edition of mint. Even the latest version.... be nice if they could put ubuntu's installer on the mint debian edition....
kaddy01980 1 year ago
@Arenalgarden Thanks for the info.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
This could be a good move for Mint with a view to the proposed moves by Ubuntu
rogermsw 1 year ago
@rogermsw agreed entirely
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux now if they could fit Ubuntu (oh so easy) installer... we would have a winner.
rogermsw 1 year ago
I now use this as my dafault os. Very fast and stable, I personally think one thing it will do is show people that its ok to not use ubuntu and still have a great linux experience
Tatsujin79 1 year ago
@ytvoice1 you should be able to. It might be worth creating a separate user account so you don't have any issues, but it shouldn't be a problem to use the same /home partition (if you have a separate /home partition, that is)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
what is the profit of debian? :P i dont know ) ubuntu base works well
Mushketer888 1 year ago
@Mushketer888 in this case, a rolling release distribution without some of the bugs that Ubuntu introduces.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux well...i have tried linuxmint debian...and now i will use only it :D its much faster (for me) and lightweight )
Mushketer888 1 year ago
@Mushketer888 awesome! good luck with it.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Nice Mint and nice review. Thanks
And You stoped wasting space with Yours talking head.
mentalplayground 1 year ago
@mentalplayground thanks, I think? I like having the webcam displayed, but you're right, it's a bit of a waste of space. If there's a point where I'm talking and the screencast doesn't need to be up, I can just switch to my camcorder.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
oh look i was mistaking. I thought this was server. Hmm. Well hopefully, they come out with server.
PasteLinux 1 year ago
i've always had problems when i tried out ubuntu, basicly to get sudo access, does it work better in debian?
raket94 1 year ago
@raket94 Really? Sudo has always worked well for me in Ubuntu. What sort of problems did you have with it?
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux well, the problem is that i set the password and the password wont work.
I know that there you are not supposed to see anything in the terminal while you write but even if i tried it often didn't work. I had to write it somewhere else and copy it in to the terminal.
I think i ment Su btw so that you are superuser the hole session. Was some moths since i used linux so i'm a bit rusty
raket94 1 year ago
@raket94 ohhh, I get it. Did you ever set a root password on Ubuntu? the sudo and su passwords are actually different. Sudo is the password to give your user account administrative rights, and "su" with nothing else actually logs you in as root. Slightly different.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
It's a great idea, but I wish they did this to begin with.
MetalShreader 1 year ago
@MetalShreader kinda, but I don't think they would have the success they do if they didn't start with Ubuntu as a base. It's entirely possible though.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
This is really nice. I'm impressed. I really like the idea that it has rolling releases. I did want to ask if a KDE version will be available in the future?
Also,how about complz fusion? Right now I'm using Ubuntu and am comfortable with it. BUT I've also been hearing so much good stuff about this distro.
Linuxrat 1 year ago
@Linuxrat From what I read on their forums, Clem (the guy doing most of the work) doesn't have a plan to do KDE until sometime next year, I think. Sorry. :/
I believe it has compiz fusion available.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
This is really nice. I'm impressed. I really like the idea that it has rolling releases. I did want to ask if a KDE version will be available in the future?
Also,how about complz fusion? Ru=ight now I'm using Ubuntu and am comfortable with it.
Linuxrat 1 year ago
I am using Linux Mint Debian right now ( dual-booting with Win7) and I find it is very good. I hope they offer in it in KDE edition soon. I think this could mean the Linux Mint could become a true alternative to Ubuntu considering how bloated Ubuntu is getting.
monomonster 1 year ago
google chrome is the best!!
mrperson1985 1 year ago
Benchmarks and performance completely invalidated due to running in a virtual machine, this review needs to be on bare-metal system. Yeah though, the Mint team seems to be moving in the right direction, can't wait for the X64 edition.
jnrivers 1 year ago
@jnrivers Well, I haven't really been doing any sort of benchmarking, but I've reviewed quite a few distros this way, with identical virtual machines, so comparing performance is entirely fair.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
My love for LM just came back. Arch, Debian, and Mint.
FearedBliss 1 year ago
I have high hopes for LMDE especially once they drop a 64bit version & include the newly OPENSOURCED Broadcom drivers :-) I also heard its supposed to be a bit faster than the Ubuntu version. If they can also match Ubuntu 10.10's boot speed I won't have to ever look for another distro.
nvanadium 1 year ago
@nvanadium you know, so much emphasis is placed on boot time. I guess I'm different from most people, but I just don't care. :P It's rare that I ever reboot my desktop, and generally when I turn on my laptop, I walk away for a few mins anyway. If it was instant-on, that would be different, but they can't fix the bios startup time. :P
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Boot up time isn't really critical for me but its still pretty nice. I sometimes have to quickly whip out my laptop in class to take notes or email an assignment. I'm still more concerned with overall system speed and performance of drivers. Keeping fingers crossed for Broadcom drivers to appear in Linux distros quickly .
nvanadium 1 year ago
@nvanadium agreed there. I'm not dependent on broadcom at this point, but I know tons of people are.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux yea that's true. 30-60 seconds is pretty good boot times already, anything after that is icing on the cake. As you said, I also walk away for a few minutes, or I do something else while it boots.
FearedBliss 1 year ago
I want your internet.
renkinjutsu01 1 year ago
@renkinjutsu01 :) I greatly enjoy 20mbps download
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
I think its pretty cool that Linux Mint team is doing this. Definitely gives the Linux Mint fans more of a freedom of choice what they want to use. I noticed you were using Linux Mint, which one do you happen to be using? I was thinking about using the Gnome or Xfce version. Do you know what the benefits of using the Debian version? It feels the same..
H4x0r18 1 year ago
@H4x0r18 I'm using the Gnome version of Linux Mint 9 on my laptop for now (not the Debian version).
So far, the main benefit of the Debian version is the rolling release nature of it. It doesn't have the hardware drivers manager, however, but I believe most of the hardware drivers are in the repositories, you just have to know what to look for.
I need to test this on real hardware.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@TheMusicMan2K Broadcom is working on open sourcing their drivers, so hopefully yours will be supported soon. :)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@DragardKaos I paid $15 for Linux Mint 9 from the Linux Mint 9 magazine at MicroCenter. My favorite part: after installing goto Sound & Video, Install Multi Media Codecs, and video plays with no problem in Firefox. I also bought Ubuntu but I don't seem to have enough horse power to run it. Both installed very easily.
msnpassjan2004 1 year ago
thx u
Lynnc83 1 year ago
1505 kB/s O_O? All I get is a maximum of 190 kb/s lol.
DragardKaos 1 year ago
@DragardKaos :) I got a speed upgrade a few months back. I get up to 2500kb/sec download speed
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Wow, how much do you pay, if you don't mind me asking.
DragardKaos 1 year ago
@DragardKaos I believe it's $63/mo
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Dang, I pay $29/month XD
DragardKaos 1 year ago
@DragardKaos I used to pay $53/mo for 512kb/sec download. they've significantly improved here.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
im so wanting to try this :D
oneangrybride 1 year ago
@oneangrybride might be worth trying it in a VM or from the live CD to see how you like it.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Waiting for the 64bit version :(
TehKalbasa 1 year ago
@TehKalbasa Agreed, I'm sure it's just a matter of time.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Very interesting! Is it using upstart? Thanks for getting an overview out so quickly!
sirpecangum 1 year ago
@sirpecangum That I'm not really sure about. I believe Debian was/is planning to go to it for Squeeze, so perhaps it is. Is there an easy way to tell? (I've never looked)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Installing all updates to Mint Debian and it asks if I want to keep or replace initramfs.conf. What is the recommended choice for config files? Never had these kind of update questions in Ubuntu so not sure what to do. Glad if you can help.
7wi1igh7 1 year ago
@7wi1igh7 I've noticed some of those questions, and usually it's best to keep the existing ones. From what I've noticed, if it's trying to replace configuration files, it's trying to go back to the default Ubuntu or Debian ones (depending on which Mint version you've got).
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
I am devilishly jealous of your connection speed. I only get 500-600 kB/s
crunchy3neo 1 year ago
@crunchy3neo woot. :) That's a recent update for me.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Too bad for us KDE users its only in Gnome, but I know its just a test thing for now. Still I am pretty impressed with it, and have become far less impressed with Ubuntu's direction.
GhoS64 1 year ago
loving this version of mint runing it in dual boot with open suse 11.3
pingvinkalle 1 year ago
@pingvinkalle two times?
GenoSkill 1 year ago
@GenoSkill only troble when posting coment only one dual booting
pingvinkalle 1 year ago
loving this version of mint runing it in dual boot with open suse 11.3
pingvinkalle 1 year ago
I really like the fact that it's a rolling distro, so it's always up-to-date with the software and no need to reinstall the OS (unless there was a horrible crash of some sort).
mohanpram 1 year ago
@mohanpram sort of. The fact that it's based on Debian means that even though it's rolling, it's still not terribly new (for the most part)
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
I'll run it in virtualbox for few weeks then if everything OK I'll replace Ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop. If they make 64 bit edition I'll install it on my desktop.
Rolling releases that's something I intend to use exclusively on my desktops.
enedene1 1 year ago
@enedene1 nice. I'd definitely be willing to give it a shot on my laptop. I've got Mint on it anyway
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux
The interesting part will be when Debian Sqeeze becomes stable and new testing cycle begins. Will things start to break, now the testing packages are almost stable since the release of Debian Squeeze is getting close.
enedene1 1 year ago
The ndiswrapper really is a break it or make thing for Linux I feel, many people don't have access to a wired connection at their own leisure and that really fucks em' over. They need to include that in ALL Linux distros IMO.
jebril 1 year ago
@jebril agreed. I haven't had to use it in a while, but it's completely understandable.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Regarding rolling releases/distros. I not only like the idea but I think its going to be absolutely necessary as thing progress. The GNU/Linux community is producing code and changes at break neck speeds. I think the only way to keep things moving at this pace and advancing is to have a perpetual stream of reporting, fixing, creations, updates. Just my two cents.
daeamarth 1 year ago
This is perhaps completely off topic but how about a review of AppArmor and SELinux. Im more than perturbed at the thought of ubuntu "dropping" SELinux for something that is blatantly inadequate in comparison. I might do it but I have this problem. Each time I touch an ubuntu DVD or URL with the mouse... My hand bursts into flames. jk I actually have Bio-Linux on a laptop. Which brings me to the next one. You could review Bio-Linux 6 but its basically just Ubuntu 10.04 for biology nerds.
daeamarth 1 year ago
@daeamarth I think a comparison of AppArmor/SELinux would be a great idea. I don't have a ton of knowledge about them, of course, but when I get the time, I can start reading up on them.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Virtual Machines make it so easy to test all these new different Linux variants until you find the one you like :)
I still have Arch on my VM, its much more different than I expected, but learning a lot (thats the best thing).
byteTemplar 1 year ago
GNU/Linux does not stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things.
vampspell 1 year ago
Which software did you use to capture this video? RecordMyDesktop?
jeaquares 1 year ago
@jeaquares Correct. I used Compiz to zoom in on the center section of the screen to show off the VirtualBox, but gtk-recordmydesktop to actually do the capturing.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
for me, 'rolling release' stands for 'perpetual beta', but i think i've mentioned that before.
i'm testing LMDE right now on my secondary partition, and thankfully, it's really easy to disable the 'rolling' nature of it: you can edit the sources.list to use it as a Debian testing (and probably stable once Squeeze releases).
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan But if you use Debian testing you have a rolling release.
TobiSGD 1 year ago
@TobiSGD once Squeeze is out i'll change 'testing' to 'stable'. ;)
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan Will you comment out the Mint repos? I don't know if it will work with stable if you don't comment them out. You could have unmet dependencies because of old versions of packages in stable.
TobiSGD 1 year ago
@TobiSGD you're right. a guy on the Mint forums said that the mint repo will follow the debian testing ones, so i'll comment them out once Squeeze is 'stable'.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan In this case you will not get any security updates and bugfixes from Mint, I wouldn't recommend that.
TobiSGD 1 year ago
@TobiSGD i'm more concerned about glibc, Xorg and kernel security updates than those for e.g. MintDesktop. :D so thanks, but i'll manage.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan Sorry, but you are total BS.. I've been using a rolling release distro (Arch Linux) for more than a half year, and I've never had any problems.
paldepind 1 year ago
@paldepind sorry, but judging something based solely on your personal experience is total BS.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan And what are you basing your statement on? Please tell me?.. Btw, I'm not basing my opinion only on my own experience. I know lots of other people who been using Arch without problems, and only a few who have had problems.
paldepind 1 year ago
@paldepind me? my experience. :D but i didn't say anything like 'using a rolling release without problems is total BS'. :P btw, remember the massive KDE breakage in arch about a year ago? or the guy on the forums creting an 'LTS' kernel package to be able to boot if an update breaks the system?
don't get me wrong, i like Arch a lot (especially the BSD init and the KISS attitude), but simply put, i'm one of the 'few' you mentioned.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan No, you where not. But you where making a general statement saying that rolling release is 'perpetual beta' and I think that's BS since the Arch forum is full of satisfied people without any problems.
I don't know about the problems you mention but I guess the developers gets better all the time, so problems will occur rarer and rarer..
I do, however, understand why you may not want to use a rolling release yourself.
paldepind 1 year ago
@paldepind okay. let's agree on that if you enable the 'testing' repos, then it's perpetual beta. otherwise it's too cutting-edge to support older hardware, which might not be for everybody. :)
what i'm talking about is that Linux software in general is sometimes beta when released. this has its good and bad sides (good: development is fast; bad: sometimes an update breaks working stuff). if you use a rolling release, you're exposed to this, whether you like it or not.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan Yes indeed! That's why it's called testing ;D.. What do you mean it doesn't support old hardware? Why wouldn't it?
That definitely depends on what software your using, I recently tried the new KDE release, omg it felt buggy and unstable! But most of the software I use is pretty stable so that's not a problem for me..
Btw, what distro are you using now?
paldepind 1 year ago
@paldepind well, for example my Thinkpad has a Radeon Mobility 7500 M7, and i have to tweak the hell out of xorg and turn off KMS for it to work properly. and on the latest distros (Arch, OpenSUSE), it only gives me a white screen, no matter what i do. on my desktop, though, everything is shiny. btw i really don't care for KDE, it's just not for me.
i'm using Fedora 13 on my laptop's main partition, and trying out LMDE on the second. on my desktop, i use mainly Arch beside OS X.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan Well then it's not a specific Arch issue..
paldepind 1 year ago
@paldepind of course not. Arch's only fault is being up-to-date. it's an 'upstream issue' (the most overused expression on bugtrackers :D).
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan So your point is that because Arch is up to date some old hardware is not supported? Your probably right about that but if you don't want bleeding edge you probably shouldn't be using a rolling release distro in the first place ;)
paldepind 1 year ago
@paldepind i never disagreed on that. :D as i've said: i use Arch on my desktop. i just don't like in general that updates can break 3 year old hardware. that's not how Linux was a few years ago. but i guess you have to sacrifice something for the rapid changes of late.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
I like it. Might have to install mint now.
Crunchbang is now solely based on debian as of statler as well.
I LOVE rolling release ever since I started using arch.
Dehlvien 1 year ago
@Dehlvien hi, sorry for nagging you about this, but are you using CB Statler? if so, could you please upload the shiki-statler theme somewhere for me? i can't seem to hunt it down from anywhere on the net.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
I love having the rolling release function and wish Debian would do this just like Arch Linux however I understand what makes Debian so popular. I love Debian however I am not a fan of Mint. Add to the fact that it's 2010 and if you can't handle a 64-bit OS, you NEED to upgrade your hardware!
carlosinfl 1 year ago
@carlosinfl I'm a big fan of using 64-bit OSes, except that little issue of flash...
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@carlosinfl I wish ubuntu would go with rolling release... and trim some fat too while their at it ! :)
Dehlvien 1 year ago
@carlosinfl my laptop can't handle a 64 bit OS, and i'm fine with it. i really despise the idea of upgrading hardware instead of optimising software. just look at what they are doing to games: the same game that needs the latest turbo 90000 nVidia crap runs fine on a 6 year old Xbox 360. 10 year old software gets modern jobs done well (e.g. Photoshop 9), and runs on a PIII.
bottom line: linux used to work great on old hardware, and i really hate to see that that's no longer the case.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan okay, PS9 (CS2) is only 5 years old, but that's not the point.
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
@bamdadkhan Amen Bro!
jimbobubbadj 1 year ago
@carlosinfl You can have rolling release in Debian, just use Debian testing. If you want even more bleeding edge software use Debian unstable, runs fine on my laptop.
Besides, my laptop is amd64-capable but i use 32-bit version with bigmem-kernel because of issues with flash. Runs fine and till now I didn't notice any difference to the 64-bit version.
And no, you don't have to upgrade, besides to my other machines I use an old laptop with 550 MHz-cpu as a jukebox, runs fine with Debian.
TobiSGD 1 year ago
@carlosinfl I'm fine with my 7 year old computer thank you. Thinking to myself "what a snob, seems like an Apple person to me"
jimbobubbadj 1 year ago
@jimbobubbadj I am not an Apple "person" whatever you wrap that to be. This whole "I like my 15 year old POS hardware" becomes too taxing on developers at this point. It's time to move ahead and allow x64 bit to become the standard so we don't have to sit here and listen to all these people cry " I use 32-bit because I need Flash". If we dump 32 bit as legacy and move forward, developers can focus more on writing proper code rather than dealing with your financial limitations or stubbornness.
carlosinfl 1 year ago
@carlosinfl I thought the premise of Linux was about open source and being able to work with older hardware and to help people save money. The latest stuff is for Windows and Apple.
jimbobubbadj 1 year ago
@jimbobubbadj that in false. New stuff is not for Windows and Apple. Developers don't compile code for the sake that you can run your P3 or Athlon XP machine. They (devs) do their best to keep a wide range or architecture available but this is a double edged sword for Linux. In my opinion for Linux to mature and have a stronger footprint, we need to lose the "guy running servers out of his basement with 10 year old hardware" image. As far as Linux working with older hardware, it does fine.
carlosinfl 1 year ago
@carlosinfl Why does it not work with a common chipset cs46xx of which the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz sound card uses? This chipset is still in new computers today. The most common stuff has to work. OSGUI told me that sometimes linux will not even work with the creative labs sound card audigy, that's one of the most common sound cards. If it doesn't always work with that one, I'm out of words to say.
jimbobubbadj 1 year ago
@invnd1245 Firefox
gorogawa 1 year ago
i get confused every time you pronounce "GNOME"!
gorogawa 1 year ago
@gorogawa seriously? I used to say "gah-nome", but at some point I switched to saying it normally, like you would say "Garden Gnome"
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Yeah, it would be pronounced normally if it was a normal word and not an acronym. Just like the word "GNU", you would get confused if you hear someone pronounce it like the word "Gnu" in the dictionary, wouldn't you? I hope you switch back to the old "guh-nome" pronunciation.
BTW do you recommend the Debian-based Mint over the normal one? I mean what's the difference between them in terms of compatibility with Ubuntu packages and user-friendliness?
gorogawa 1 year ago
@gorogawa I definitely understand your point about the pronunciation. I just prefer saying it without the hard G sound.
At this point I'd still recommend the Ubuntu-based Mint. This one is very early, so things may not work 100% yet. If packages were created specifically for Ubuntu, they might not work with this, but it should still be very user friendly.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
@thisweekinlinux Thank you.
gorogawa 1 year ago
is Ubuntu a rolling release?
utuubee 1 year ago
@utuubee nope, it's not.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
hiya. yeah i got this distro in my virtualbox aswell and it runs good and it's fast running on my laptop. Have noticed the differences and yest it looks like the ubuntu
version i also have installed in virtual. so far so good and i,m also testing out the ubuntu10.10 beta.
scottedick 1 year ago
hiya. yeah i got this distro in my virtualbox aswell and it runs good and it's fast running on my laptop. Have noticed the differences and yest it looks like the ubuntu
version i also have installed in virtual. so far so good and i,m also testing out the ubuntu10.10 beta.
scottedick 1 year ago
@scottedick nice!
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
I like the rolling release stuff, but I'd rather have a Fedora edition. I would definitely use it =D
justinrixx 1 year ago
@justinrixx ooh, that would be cool too.
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Nice! Ubuntu is good, but it's getting too bloated (a similar problem to Windows). Many Linux Newbs don't realize that there is a choice in distros.
VideoGuyNC 1 year ago
@VideoGuyNC agreed. :/
thisweekinlinux 1 year ago
Personally I believe Linux Mint will continue Making Ubuntu base versions Named after Women who's names end with an [A] Julia based on Maverick Meercat is due out in November of 2010. Debian based versions of Linux Mint is only giving users a choice if they want an Ubuntu version of Linux Mint or A Debian version of Linux Mint no big deal. Now for those who hate choices go buy a Mac or an Amiga from A-eon Technology.
Freespire44 1 year ago