Ben Stein: ID is religion!

[mik3sgroove]

It was so much easier to like that man when all he did was say "Bueller" or let people try to win his money. Now he's nothing but a parody of himself. And a joke. And as far as I'm concerned, plain wrong. Intelligent Design is sexed up creationism and nothing more.

[Akira89M]

I lost all respect for ben stein, when I learned he was Creationist.

[TheDezmona]

People tend to think that Ben Stein is a retarded idiot, but I beg the differ. Ben Stein is a GENIOUS! Obviously no one is as stupid as Ben Stein pretends to be, but he's made you believe so. Ben Stein is obviously a TROLL. So he has trolled the world and got rich from it.

[Ultraevil88]

Ooo btw, I bet Ben Stein and people who lead religion and church know that there is no fucking god and they just say that to manipulate people for there own in interest (money, power). If you know little fucking history there should not be a problem to see that, only if you are really retarded.

[War4Gore]

what is his religion? what does he believe? i thought he was a greek religion

[huffabubba]

Jeez puntangs are you using youtube as a vehicle to vent your hatred towards anyone who doesnt agree with you. Very classy. You should get out more and have some fun. Some people chose to create and some to destroy. Is that the mark you really want to make on the world?

[redderknick]

Darwinism DOES fucking work. I'm not a Christian, but I used to be. I took it upon myself to read the entire Genesis, and lo and behold that, when compared with modern scientific beliefs, it sounded exactly like a parable. Didn't Jesus talk in parables?

Goddammit, he thinks everyone else is closeminded? He's thinking black and white: i'm a christian, so darwinism can't be right; you believe in evolution, so you must be my enemy.

[Raptor302]

Just saw stein the other day on one of those credit commercials: proof that even idiots can be successful in today's world.

If that doesnt work out for him he can always go back to being the voice actor of a rehashed Droopy.

[Raptor302]

Fine stein, you can have your god back.

He's stuffed in a suitcase up in my closet........

[mysitupon]

Like any person of faith, Ben is speaking in metaphor.

He really means to say that when he was three his mummy took away his ice cream cone and he wants it back.

[ThePsychoReturns]

You can keep 'im, Stein.

[nonsuchfabio]

"We're sick of being pushed around." Who is "we"? Christians? The people who have been pushing everone else around for over 1500 years? They think someone has been pushing them around? Because science has arrived at some conclusions that are incompatible with their bronze-age beliefs?

Tell you what Ben, why don't you just stop using all the things that awful science has brought the human race and live like your bronze-age patriarchs did, and actually walk the walk - or admit your a hypocrite.

[colourmegone]

@nonsuchfabio You're wrong, Christians have been pushing everyone else around since Constantine won the Battle of Milvian Bridge in 312. I make that almost 1700 years. It was this victory that resulted in Christianity being forced on Europe and which resulted in the era known as the Dark Ages, when Christian fanatics systematically destroyed all the scientific and philosophical teachings of the pagan world. We only have the remnants that were preserved by the Muslims.

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone So your case is that 1700 years ago Constantine won a battle and that reasonable atheists haven't been able to recover since then?

[colourmegone]

@gcnengineer No my case is that 1700 years ago Christianity became the state religion of the first true world superpower. Christianity then systematically destroyed all the culture and learning of ancient Europe and plunged it into the Dark Ages. It took until the 18th century and the Age of Enlightenment for recovery to begin. We are riding the crest of that recovery, but it is under threat from the same Christian culture that brought us the Dark Ages, aka "The Age of Faith".

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone Well your case would be ignoring a great deal of history. Rome was a world superpower before Christianity. So was Egypt. There were many conditions leading to the dark ages, plague being one. Yes, Catholic church rule had a part in that, however, unlike Muslims, they have a completely different outlook than Popes of old, as well as power. Christianity in any form is unlikely to create another dark age. Muslim, however, may.

[colourmegone]

@gcnengineer Yes, Rome was THE superpower. It was solely due to Constantine that the Christian religion was forcefully spread across Europe. Plague was not a cause of the Dark Ages, there were numerous plagues throughout all of history; and it wasn't Catholic, as opposed to Christian rule, either so your argument is meaningless. The avowed purpose of Christian Creationists is to stop the teaching of naturalistic, materialistic science and plunge America into a new "Age of Faith" aka "Dark Ages".

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone wow, I peeked at your profile and you seem like a reasonable man, however, I have to wonder now. The Dark ages is not a reference to the fall of Rome until the enlightenment. Let us not forget there were the middle ages. About the time of the black plague was the beginning of what we know as the dark ages. Still, to believe it is an "avowed" purpose of Christians to create another dark age is about as believable as saying the purpose of evolution is to create atheist.

[colourmegone]

@gcnengineer Pt1 "The Early Middle Ages was the period of European history lasting from the 5th century to approximately 1000. The Early Middle Ages followed the decline of the Western Roman Empire and preceded the High Middle Ages (c. 1000 – 1300). The period saw a continuation of trends begun during late classical antiquity, including population decline, especially in urban centres, a decline of trade, and increased barbarian migration. The period has been labelled the "Dark Ages"".

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone The period after the High Middle ages, after 1300, yes, agreed. Rome long held power before that time. The link between Rome and the early 300's until after 1300, when the dark ages appear, is where I assume you are going to tie this to.

[colourmegone]

@gcnengineer Please read Pt2. In fact the entire period has been labelled the Dark Ages. And then reflect on the state of the US economy and the religious and ideological forces at work. So far as evolution creating atheists I suggest you read Dr Darrel Ray's "The God Virus" for an evolutionary perspective of religion. There's also an interview with Dr Ray on infidelguy's channel which is well worth listening too.

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone The US economy is not not due to Christians. At the moment I would give that honor to Progressive Socialists. The label of the entire period as the dark ages has long been abandoned. Yet, in any case, it is still as I began. Christians who followed the pope of that era have long since abandoned such ideas. Only Muslims seem to hold to their 6th century beliefs. You are way off if you believe Christians of this day could ever create a dark age.

[colourmegone]

@gcnengineer So Ronald Reagan, George Bush, 'Dubyuh' Bush and all their associates who ran the US economy into the ground over the last 40 years weren't Christian and took no notice of the Religious Right? You seem amazingly naive for a mature human being. Ah, yes, lets blame those Progressive Socialists who work away in the background undoing all the good work of the Conservatives and Libertarians. I don't debate with idealogues for the same reason Dr Dawkins doesn't debate Creationists.

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone No I would not ignore the contribution of those you named. I am saying that what we are dealing with at the moment are the progressives that filled the void, and are now being voted out in record numbers. Still not here for politics. Just saying over and over that Christians of today are not those of the dark ages, nor could their beliefs ever user in such a time. Your certainly not kidding yourself to that degree are you?

[colourmegone]

@colourmegone Pt2 pt1=wikipedia. "The Middle Ages was the middle period in a schematic division of European history into three 'ages': Classical civilization, the Middle Ages, and Modern Civilization. It is commonly considered as having lasted from the end of the Western Roman Empire (5th century) until the rise of national monarchies and the beginnings of demographic and economic renewal after the Black Death..." =Timeline. So Modern Civilisation started to grow just after the Black Death.

[gcnengineer]

@colourmegone Sounded like you placed the dark age before the high middle age. Not the case. High Middle age ends about 1300, Black Plague about 1330, in comes the dark ages. But the plague itself was not the sole reason. Still, you are talking about 700 years rule before such time.

[Ether165]

@nonsuchfabio atheism = at first there was nothing...and then it exploded?

what is that...quantum mechanics that states that matter can spontaneously create itself? forgot the name exactly

i see so many atheists online like they're searching for these videos on youtube and yahoo articles to start flame wars with people who believe in religion and say we're the intolerant ones.might surprise you but even though i'm religious i haven't killed anyone in gods name lately

[TheRationalist76]

@Ether165 You must be ill-informed about what Atheists believe in. Now first of all, you're the one that believes nothing came out of God's will, crazier than what the Big Bang promotes. First, Matter cannot be created nor destroyed, so there was never just "nothing". Second, i'm sure you're familiar to the concept E=MC^2, meaning that Energy is also matter in a sense. So before the Big Bang, there would have had to be energy (call it God if you will, just don't call it Jesus). Just my two cents

[Ether165]

@TheRationalist76 everything had to have a starting point, wouldnt it be the same thing as saying if the universe was always here, we would have invented anything we possibly could have by now, thats too much time. Everything had to have a beginning and an end, dark energy needed a beginning, dark energy is the catalyst for the creation of matter. However, dark energy (like god, at least so far) can not ben seen, tested, or the effects of it seen or measured. the universe is just strange.

[TheRationalist76]

@Ether165 Can i ask why you think everything "hast" to have a beginning and end? What evidence did you come across that caused this conclusion? The truth is that the mind is too linear to grasp the idea of eternity, so we try and act as if the universe were linear (which it isn't). Dark energy wouldn't be termed if we didn't know it was there, unlike God, which there is no evidence for

[Ether165]

@TheRationalist76 I believe there is some speculation amongst the science community about a non linear universe, i remember reading an article somewhere about the problems of a non linear universe like what i mentioned in my last comment, but i can't seem to find it again. Also, shouldn't we wait to say we know it's there, it's still a theory. The math can seem right, but if we don't end up finding any physical evidence to get it passed the second step of the scientific method, they'll change it

[TheRationalist76]

@Ether165 No you see, a Theory is a conclusion come up by examining the evidence. Now saying that microorganisms are the cause of disease (Germ Theory) is also still a theory. Now i'm not sure if we are into the Big Bang now, but in that case, it's the best we have. We take the radiation of left overs of the Big Bang and other evidence and begin to form this Theory. It is hard to test because it happened over 13 billions years ago. Yet to fill in what we don't know with fairy tales is insanity

[dylanhoka]

"Don't get me wrong. My very best friend is gay. I have many gay friends and they are great people. But how the Democrats, the party of gays, can be coming down this hard on a MC who's gay is simply beyond belief. One of my top, favorite congressmen, Barney Frank, is openly gay. Might he say a word in defense of his fellow gay MC right about now? Hmm, I thought not."

Ben Stein

[dylanhoka]

"We have a Republican man in Congress who sent e-mails to teenage boys asking them what they were wearing, and an entire party, the Democrats, whose primary constituency, besides the teachers' unions, is homosexual men and lesbian women. I hope it won't come as a surprise to anyone that a big part of male homosexual behavior is interest in young boys. (Take a look at anyone renting Endless Summer next time you are at the video store."

[COMALiteJ]

@dylanhoka, "I hope it won't come as a surprise to anyone that a big part of male homosexual behavior is interest in young boys."

Wrong. Homosexuality is DEFINED AS the sexual attraction of POST-PUBESCENT people to OTHER POST-PUBESCENT people of the same gender.

The attraction of a post-pubescent person to a pre-pubescent person (regardless of the genders of the two) is called "PEDOPHILIA," NOT homosexuality. Pedophilia is a paraphila (like fetishes), not a true sexual orientation.

[dylanhoka]

@COMALiteJ Yes. I know. I agree. I was quoting Ben Stein.

[spacecowboy95]

we would like our god back? is he fucking serious?

[SouthBeachLivin]

yeah bitch! you read it right...

[COMALiteJ]

@spacecowboy95, this is the same guy who said, with a straight face, "Science leads to killing people." Not even "Evolution" nor even "EvolutionISM." Science. ALL of science. Leads to killing people.

These people are anti-SCIENCE, and have said so in their writings. Evolution is just their first target. They're out to destroy ALL of science.

Actually, science has SAVED *BILLIONS* (with a "B") of human lives, through vaccines, sanitation, clean water, the Green Revolution, etc.

[deshygirl24]

i know ben stein

[tingtangs]

My condolences.

[pecarson]

looks like that was taken out of context, maybe he was quoting someone else...?

[tingtangs]

Nope, not taken out of context. I'm not a CREATIONIST, after all. I don't do quote mining.

[Atheist001]

You can keep you god, and you bible, and you faith, but we want keep science so you go back to church, kthnxbai.

[prschuster]

Ben Stein can have his God back, but if a religious belief is contradicted by well established facts, laws & theories in science it can't be taught in a science classroom. Evolution really happens and there is no evidence for conscious intent being involved in the process.

[tingtangs]

Religious views should never be taught in science class, period.

[FHomeBrew]

@tingtangs Except when a field of science is created where religions themselves are studied. But that already exists, just with a different name.

[gregh2223]

You said it, brother.

[bazildaddy]

sorry evolution is a Doctrine of faith spoken by Dawkins. Evolution in the macro sense is faith as well as it is for orgin of life. Sorry guys you believe someone else because you yourselves don't do any field or lab work. You can't prove either some people have tried for 150 years with no avial.

[tingtangs]

Evolution is science, unlike creationism/ID. Anyone who claims otherwise is an ignorant fool or a liar.

[set671]

What idiotic blather. Evolution is almost 200 years old, Dawkins not so much. We have transitional fossils to show species becoming. Personally I am not an anthropologist or a biologist so I do rely on them to an extent, but I can read their work and the challenges to said work. Peer review works and all the papers are available to the public. Go to a science class bazil.

[prschuster]

"Sorry guys you believe someone else because you yourselves don't do any field or lab work." ... Bazildaddy

I trust those who have the credentials and who have done the work. No one scientist can look at all the accumulated evidence by him/herself. Science is a community effort, and the biology community is nearly unanimous about the evidence for evolution. Ben Stein is spinning a yarn trying to lead us to believe there is a large group of anti-Darwinists in  the scientific community.

[killerbrown666]

bazildaddy: You haven't a clue about what you're talking about. Unlike christians, and saying for you not to leave comments or shut up, an atheist will ask that you do research or get an education, then make intelligent comments. But if you feel like making a fool of yourself, by all means, please continue leaving your comments.

[COMALiteJ]

@bazildaddy, as set671 said, we have transitional fossils, but we also have much, much more than that. The fossil record, while a major part of the evidence for evolution, is nowhere near the only evidence, nor even the most important anymore.

The big evidence these days is DNA. We've mapped the DNA of humans, other apes, and many other species. We know things now that FLATLY DISPROVE both Creationism and Intelligent Design, and greatly support Darwinian evolution.

[COMALiteJ]

@bazildaddy, "Evolution in the macro sense is faith as well as it is for orgin of life."

Last thing first: Darwinism does NOT say that it is the ORIGIN of LIFE. Darwin's book was titled, "On the Origin of SPECIES," NOT "On the Origin of LIFE" (let alone "On the Origin of the UNIVERSE"). The Big Bang and abiogenesis are NOT part of evolution. The Big Bang theory isn't even in the same FIELD OF STUDY!

And now your first assertion: yes, we HAVE *DIRECTLY* OBSERVED **MACRO** EVOLUTION!!

[rozeboosje]

He can have his God back, but I'm afraid I ripped it when I had it.

[trackluvr59]

Give him back his God.

[bubbah]

No one actually took it from him. Unless, of course, he can't believe in God if he can't manage to shove his beliefs down other people's throats. Which makes for a rather pathetic god if you ask me.

[methinxaweezil]

Unfortunately what Ben Stein means is, "we want our god back"... in science class. Not going to happen Ben. The wind has gone out of ID, and all the hysterical jabber about Darwin bearing personally responsibility for Nazi crematoriums won't revive it.

[methinxaweezil]

I love the Fox banner "Ben Stein Battles Darwin in New Documentary".

Isn't that a bit like Carrot Top battling Stephen Hawking?

[Neelo5000]

Wow, Ben Stein actually confirming what intelligent people already know. Everyone should bookmark this, because any other time, the crap coming from his mouth is just psycho babble about how belief in evolution causes genocide. Ben Stein is a tool.

[Edella]

Nobody took your god, Ben. He's right where you left him.

[godbegone]

it's brilliant when various ID proponents undermine each others position.... One side says "ID is not religion!" the other says "We want our god back!".

How are we expected to teach their "theory" when they can't even agree on what their theory is?

[DaveGrossmanSoloBass]

Q: How do you know when Ben Stein is on the level?

A: When the drool comes out of both sides of his mouth evenly.

[Brainmold]

Stein made it obvious. ID is religion.

[rozeboosje]

Oops spoke too soon. Excellent

[rozeboosje]

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