if someone with at least decent skill thrusted at you with a sword you wouldnt be able to just "knock it out of the way" like this guy just showed. it takes WAAAAAAAY more reflex time and usually it is never countered. almost everytime it is avoided and redone.
Now, I actually have no real experience at all, and almost any insults you throw at me will probably be true, but My brother and i swordfight all the time, for fun. And He's never been able to defend himself, or move quickly enough when I grab his hand. It always works, to the point that I decided it wasn't fair. I know I'm not nearly as fast as anyone who actually studies kenjutsu, but I think that it would probably work between any two people who are evenly matched.
@skircr55 No insults at all mate, just a true Kendoka can strike in a split second and stopping the strike with your hand is nigh on impossible when the proper form is used. The strikes for a katana almost always start over the head so that tactic is not viable and putting your arm out to stop it will result in the loss of a hand/and the target point. The entire point of the strike starting overhead is to stop any idea of where the strike will come from and to stop any grab like you suggest.
dude you are a moron why would you grab the blade that just cuts your own fingers. and why would you slide the sword up against the other person's sword. must katana's have thing on them near the handle called a tsuba in other words a guard that's soul purpose to guard your hands from blades slicing your hands off like that. seriously did you learn your techniques from a cereal box?
Actually "Half-Swording" is a pretty common technique, more so in western arts but even still. As long as you've got any decent hand protection and you don't slide your hand along the blade you won't cut yourself. You can test that theory by taking a sharp knife and pressing it down into a peice of foam or something. It will hardly cut as long as your not sliding the blade at all. And the point of sliding up the blade would be to keep their sword low until you reached the guard.
@PrecutThracian well actually its a common technique that only idiot would learn and teach. My katana for example if you grabbed it, within 2 seconds of grabbing your blade you intelligence drops lower than child with down syndrom
@Raikoukouken History says you are incorrect. though my knowledge is more focused on european sword arts i'd take bets that many of the principals could be applied to eastern weapons as well. We have full fledged texts by men like Fiori Dei Liberi, Hans Talhoffer, and Harley that all talk about gripping a sword, generally your own, by the blade. Specifically it would be done when in close and grappling is about to get involved. Sorry but historical fact trumps internet samurai.
@PrecutThracian No he is right. European swords and sword techniques have nothing to do with Japanese swords and sword techniques. The blades were different, the armor was different and the styles were therefore, different. Apples and oranges. Your comment is irrelevant.
@PrecutThracian Yes, but keep in mind, medieval swordsmen would be wearing, at the very least, thick leather gloves. They could even have chain mail, or full plate gauntlets. Samurai would usually have a just leather gloves. Plus, nothing is gained from gripping the katana by the blade. The reason for gripping the blade would be to make it easier to thrust, which got through plate armour much better than a slash. The katana was primarily a slashing weapon.
@PreposterousPorpoise Yes, but piercing is an option as well. I wouldn't recommend it, unless your assailant is asleep, severely wounded, or both of his/her arms are unusable or dismembered. Or unless you are killing from the shadows or behind.
Pfffff... Don't make me laugh! Nobody would ever do such a slow and LOW thurst.. and most of all... a thurst isn't a principal attack.. you can't do it without a previus attack... you must make the opponent in a difficult position with a rapid slash before thrusting.. who the hell gave you the black belt, man????????
This isn´t right. Watch Kendo matches: There u see lots of tsukis goin thorugh without any previous attacks.
In Kenjutsu:
One of Musashis famous techniques, and also to be found in Shinkage and Heiho Kaden Sho is the thrust to the face to make your enemys eyes reflex and then cut fast.
@supermercardo To everybody saying "he's grabbing the sharp end of the blade" y'all need to look closer. He grabs the BACK END of the blade, which is NOT THE SHARP END. A katana only has ONE SHARP EDGE-the forward edge,not the back edge.
I don't understand why everybody criticizes his technique so thoroughly? I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing? realistically of course an opponent wouldn't stand still, but this is a demonstration of techniques to attempt to apply. It's really not that easy to react to someone, so ppl who say "he cood just duk." really show their lack of fighting experience.
first block he could have swept through after the thrust catching you in the side. second block i would have kept both hands on the grip swinging under his sword after the block catching him across the torso just helpful hints remember kenjutsu wasnt all flashy movements but often times more meat and potatoes
@ruku871 1st strike, instructor should have stepped into the attack instead of around the attack to execute a proper drive-down instead of that "tap" thing, precisely to prevent a counter like yours from happening. 2nd strike: your counter is easily defeated. Simplest thing to do: disengage, come around the other side, cut that right arm off. I mean, look at that huge opening! Half swording was also overkill. You don't need -that- much leverage.
@arcturian627 the instructors moves were the ones i was critiqueing i mean look at it in a real duel none with any experience would leave their side open like he did just to try and deliver a blow on the chance that it would be ducked and hed be saying hi to his intestines 2nd why would you take the time to reach for someones hand if you can deliver a stroke to the shoulder or torso that would end it right there and disengageing isnt an option cause it gives your opponent time to prepare.
@ruku871@2nd stroke, he just stuck his arm out right there, in fact his shoulder or torso is further away from you. Because he's so committed to that direction and turned so much, he won't come around on time. Instructor really shouldn't halfsword at that point imo, but it works if done properly. Not this.
@1st stroke: unless you're suicidal and ignore his counter, you won't be able to do that. Then again, with his bs flourishing, you might.
Wooowwwwww expert village. Way to drop the fucking ball with this one. You got a kid who knows nothing about Kenjutsu to make an instructional video about fighting with a katana....... I doubt either of these kids have ever sparred with these bokken to find out that the techniques they teach are shit. Please, ANYONE trying to learn Kenjutsu ignore this video! fail..........
OMG if any fool tried this on a real swordsman you would die quickly. You handle the katana as if it were an ax and no a four foot razor blade. Pull your videos down demand a refund from the fool you bought those moves and black belt from and go enroll in a real martial arts dojo. You are only making a fool of yourself and every one you pretend to teach!
I'm not saying that the jigane doesn't get used as a deflection, but preferably if you have to block a blow it's done with the edge ( in koryu arts). And I can see why.
@BlackShinobiShozoku E-BOGU Edge v. flat is important in defending against thrusts. I have seen Shoto Tanemura’s people defending thrusts with blade parries. They have a very cool way of doing it from jodan and it looked to me like they were using the flat (as a matter of fact, it was similar to a technique I learned for the bo). I have copied their technique and have used it successfully several times in free fighting. It works well with the flat.
@BlackShinobiShozoku E-BOGU e-bugo Edge v. flat parrying is important also in halfswording. This is a technique that exists in both WMA and JSA, and involves placing one hand on the blade as support when the blades collide
@BlackShinobiShozoku halfswording techniques in JSA and WMA are almost always done moving toward the opponent to intercept the blow rather than to avoid it. I once saw a Japanese painting of a samurai taking a horizontal cut to the body while defending it from a halfswording position. The painting dated to about 1750. He appeared to be taking the blow on the flat.
@BlackShinobiShozoku e-bugo To go into a little more detail My ryu deflects a downward cut from another blade downward with the edge. You are not going to spin a blade on it side to do this. The relative shape of a Japanese swords hilt (tsuka) is elipitical.
@BlackShinobiShozoku This method is in the Ryu's manual call Gorin no Sho (Scrolls of the five Elements) We use a wrist twisting action to parry a long sword with short when holding two swords. This incorperates the flat of the blade.
"To go into a little more detail My ryu deflects a downward cut from another blade downward with the edge."
And read what I said.
"I'm not saying that the jigane doesn't get used as a deflection, but preferably if you have to block a blow it's done with the edge ( in koryu arts)."
"We use both the edge and flat... they both work.... They have to! AND THS AN OUTRIGHT FKN LIE, ITS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN THERE I JUST READ ALL OF THEM AND ITS NOT THERE
@BlackShinobiShozoku YES, BUT YOUR SAYING TO USE THE EDGE ALL THE TIME, YOUVE BEEN SAYING THT THIS WHOLE TIME TRYING TO MAKE ME OUT A LIER AND THT I DONT KNOW MY ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND. STOP CHANGING YOUR STORIES
@apachedrifter Actually you said the Samurai NEVER blocked with the edge
"you are so full of sht! the samurai NEVER blocked with teh edge! its a razor sharp section of pure crystallized martinsitic steel hardened at a Rc of 58-61. in other words"
< That is quoted from you.
So in essence you are proven wrong. Therefore by most sane human standards you have lost. I said already that they also use other parts of the sword as well.
@BlackShinobiShozoku ningmui com archives english history japanese-swords-e.pdf The nihontō's razor-edge was so hard that upon hitting an equally hard or harder object, such as another sword's edge, chipping became a definite risk. blocking an oncoming blow blade-to-blade was generally avoided. evasive body maneuvers were preferred over blade contact by most, but, if such was not possible, the flat or the back of the blade was used for defense in many styles, rather than the precious edge.
ok....im giving you something else to think on ksky ne jp ~sumie99 steel.html "In the meaning of utility tools, modern steels are better than tamahagane to make good blade." now, if modern steel is better then tamahagne and they tell you not to block with the edge on katana made with it.....how much more so did it apply to swords back when tamahagane was all they had? one more reason why they didnt block with the edge
@BlackShinobiShozoku it has EVERYTHING to do with it you ignorant asshole! IF TODAYS STEEL IS TOUGHER THEN TAMAHAGANE AND THEY SAY NOT TO BLOCK EDGE ON EDGE THEN WHY WOULD THE SAMURAI DO THE SAME THING WITH AN INFERIOR STEEL! AND YOU FAILED TO READ MY OTHER PIECES OF EVIDENCE IN MY FAVOR. AGAIN YOU HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY INTERNET PROOF TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. FKN GET REAL!
answers yahoo com question index?qid=20090724002844AAqFuvW Second, You never block another weapon with the cutting edge. That is sure to chip, or break the blade. Movies have given people the idea that you can block with the cutting edge. That is fantasy and is never done. the back of the blade and the sides of the blade are the blocking surfaces. pugpaws2
answers yahoo com question index?qid=20090724002844AAqFuvW One learns never to block with the edge of his kantana but, rather, to turn the or twist the position of the sword so that you perry or receive an attack with the flat of the blade remembering that one only redirects the attack so as to not attempt to meet brute force with brute force. my friend
@BlackShinobiShozoku again you have yet to offer any proof to support your claims....ive given PLENTY of it. and all this sht is from researched history so eat tht!
I believe I posted quotes from these people and the websites of where you can see the information for yourself. And actually if I wanted to I could ask you to provide date and time that you did.
And then contact bill gates and ask if you did.
And prove you wrong.
Same situation here... all you have to do is find a Koryu art that proves your point.
But so far it's exactly what I said. Only modern schools agree with you.(Ex. Iaido, Aikido, etc)
@BlackShinobiShozoku I HAVNT JUST GIVEN YOU MODERN SCHOOL PROOF, IVE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING INCLUDING RESEARCHED PROOF ON IT, IT STILL STANDS, THE EDGE IS NOT TOUGH ENOUGH FOR EDGE TO EDGE CONTACT EVCEN ON A GLANCING BLOW
Ah ok, which Koryu school are you quoting from? Please inform me. Even if the edge receives a chip, the sword is built in a manner to take impact from the direction of the edge.
@BlackShinobiShozoku Weapons training in aikido traditionally includes the short staff (jō), wooden sword (bokken), and knife (tantō).[3 THERES YOUR WEAPONS ASSHOLE
@BlackShinobiShozoku SO...IT DONT SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT AIKIDO BEING A SWORD ART, ITS PRIMARILY PHYSICAL WITH SOME SWORD TEACHINGS, KENJUTSU IS ALL SWORD SO DONT EVEN TRY TALKING ABOUT AIKIDO HERE
@BlackShinobiShozoku no yourre right I havnt BUT THESE PPL HAVE and theyre not my theories THEYRE THE RESEARCHED FACTS FROM PPL WHO KNOW A SHT LOAD MORE THEN YOU AND I PUT TOGETHER
@BlackShinobiShozoku UMM....EVERYTHING IVE QUOTED, THEY DIDNT JUST PULL THIS SHT FROM THEIR ASS! IT WAS RESEARCHED FROM HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AND FROM THOSE WHO KNOW ABOUT IT INCLUDING ARCHEOLOGISTS, PALEONTOLOGISTS, AND EVEN TALKING TO THE OLDER GENERATION
myarmoury com talk viewtopic php?p=100687Well I can certainly agree that if you bash two sharp edges together it will damage both swords. I don't think anyone can really dispute that, especially if they do a few tests. nicholas zeman
@BlackShinobiShozoku no he isnt....BUT IT STILL STANDS, IF YOU BASH TWO SAHRP OBJECTS TOGETHER IT WILL DAMAGE THEM BOTH. unless you want a fkn GINSU knife
@BlackShinobiShozoku no YOUR BEING A STUBORN ASSHOLE WHOS NOT LISTENING TO PURE LOGIC AND PHYSICS. these things have not changed, just because a thousand years have passed dont mean sht. steel still is steel, the crystalan structure of martansite is still the same, the fact tht you cant impact two pieces of brittle hardened Rc62 steel w/o damage STILL APPLIES EVEN WITH A GLANCING DEFLECTION BLOW, IT STILL WILL DO DAMAGE!
Because i'm under the impression if a 1060 steel katana can have its point shoved through a steel chair without damaging the point.. It can deflect without being chipped.
@BlackShinobiShozoku umm....A STEEL CHAIR IS MILD UNTEMPERED STEEL, SO IS A CAR HOOD ITS NOT TEMPERED W2 AT Rc62 GO DO SOME REAL RESEARCH AND STOP ACTING LIKE A DPSHT
If a point can still maintain its point after being shoved through one. Than a mere deflecting blow would not damage a correctly forged sword. Sorry... please show me a test where that would happen.
@BlackShinobiShozoku youre so stupid.....A FKN KABAR CAN DO TEH SAME THING it dont mean sht against another hardened piece of steel YOU CANT CHANGE PHYSICS
BAD BAD BAD!! dont do this in fight when you dont wont to die :D :D
salchinoz 3 weeks ago
Ya because I'm going to be walking threw New York and a guy's going to pull a katana out on me
ryour429 3 months ago 5
@ryour429
herpderp.
There´s no way that this is meant for the ones that do this as a sport + compete...
olentattimies 1 month ago
@olentattimies Haha gotta love sarcasm
ryour429 1 month ago
is there anywhere on the internet where you can actually learn how to fight with a sword for free
AKWARDUSER379 4 months ago
@AKWARDUSER379 go to a dojo
TheShogun94 3 months ago
i came her to know how to fight with a sword but i just dont know anymoree
AKWARDUSER379 4 months ago
next time man, dont wrap your hands around the katana, its sharp
MrXBLAD 4 months ago in playlist How to Fight With a Katana Sword
Reminds me of Mr garrison. (south park)
Cheeseitnow 4 months ago
if someone with at least decent skill thrusted at you with a sword you wouldnt be able to just "knock it out of the way" like this guy just showed. it takes WAAAAAAAY more reflex time and usually it is never countered. almost everytime it is avoided and redone.
Dreamer23245 4 months ago
who da hell are u explaining a technique, damn looser, u don't even know how to hold the bokken corectly.
GokiGandalf 5 months ago
OMG KAY
69xXHiPPiEXx69 5 months ago
Now, I actually have no real experience at all, and almost any insults you throw at me will probably be true, but My brother and i swordfight all the time, for fun. And He's never been able to defend himself, or move quickly enough when I grab his hand. It always works, to the point that I decided it wasn't fair. I know I'm not nearly as fast as anyone who actually studies kenjutsu, but I think that it would probably work between any two people who are evenly matched.
skircr55 6 months ago
@skircr55 No insults at all mate, just a true Kendoka can strike in a split second and stopping the strike with your hand is nigh on impossible when the proper form is used. The strikes for a katana almost always start over the head so that tactic is not viable and putting your arm out to stop it will result in the loss of a hand/and the target point. The entire point of the strike starting overhead is to stop any idea of where the strike will come from and to stop any grab like you suggest.
Zealotofgames 6 months ago
@Zealotofgames that makes a lot of sense, thanks.
skircr55 6 months ago
I wish to see you all tough guys who are talking shit here fight him.
He may be just demonstrating the basics, but he has plenty of experience, unlike you stupid farmers
ernestas111 6 months ago
not okay
lucariopr 7 months ago
Are you guys blind or what? He grabs the hilt. THE HILT! Can't lose your fingers...huh?
And of course these are basic techniques so you can't expect them to be unbeatable. Experienced fighter can defend against them. Or go through them.
LostOnceLefthanded 7 months ago
mkaaaaaay
oooodin 7 months ago
hes so fucking stupid he only has one student
991haku 7 months ago
@991haku hes only using that one person as an example he doesnt need more than one person 2 do that move on!!
sdannunzio 7 months ago
haha lmao had no clue expertvillage did sword fighting these guys either know everything or think they know everything
johnpond69 8 months ago
wow 10 kay
amvmaniac1 8 months ago
dude you are a moron why would you grab the blade that just cuts your own fingers. and why would you slide the sword up against the other person's sword. must katana's have thing on them near the handle called a tsuba in other words a guard that's soul purpose to guard your hands from blades slicing your hands off like that. seriously did you learn your techniques from a cereal box?
Raikoukouken 8 months ago
@Raikoukouken
Actually "Half-Swording" is a pretty common technique, more so in western arts but even still. As long as you've got any decent hand protection and you don't slide your hand along the blade you won't cut yourself. You can test that theory by taking a sharp knife and pressing it down into a peice of foam or something. It will hardly cut as long as your not sliding the blade at all. And the point of sliding up the blade would be to keep their sword low until you reached the guard.
PrecutThracian 8 months ago
@PrecutThracian well actually its a common technique that only idiot would learn and teach. My katana for example if you grabbed it, within 2 seconds of grabbing your blade you intelligence drops lower than child with down syndrom
Raikoukouken 8 months ago
@Raikoukouken History says you are incorrect. though my knowledge is more focused on european sword arts i'd take bets that many of the principals could be applied to eastern weapons as well. We have full fledged texts by men like Fiori Dei Liberi, Hans Talhoffer, and Harley that all talk about gripping a sword, generally your own, by the blade. Specifically it would be done when in close and grappling is about to get involved. Sorry but historical fact trumps internet samurai.
PrecutThracian 8 months ago
@PrecutThracian No he is right. European swords and sword techniques have nothing to do with Japanese swords and sword techniques. The blades were different, the armor was different and the styles were therefore, different. Apples and oranges. Your comment is irrelevant.
GhostXDog 7 months ago
@PrecutThracian Ok smartass, go wrap your hand around the blade of a Katana and we will see how long you keep your fingers -_-
tyler4171 7 months ago
@tyler4171 mkaaaaay
myassin2009 7 months ago
@PrecutThracian Yes, but keep in mind, medieval swordsmen would be wearing, at the very least, thick leather gloves. They could even have chain mail, or full plate gauntlets. Samurai would usually have a just leather gloves. Plus, nothing is gained from gripping the katana by the blade. The reason for gripping the blade would be to make it easier to thrust, which got through plate armour much better than a slash. The katana was primarily a slashing weapon.
TheStripesofWhite 4 months ago
@Raikoukouken no they must have been training on world of warcraft! haha
johnpond69 8 months ago
@Raikoukouken actually you can do that but dont wrap your finger around it
MrMetalwolf08 7 months ago
ok
aesfubar 8 months ago
This is genious. I really wonder why they don't do it in kendo
Wapajama99 9 months ago
On the second move, the way you touch your bokken is WAY TOO DANGEROUS with a real sword !
godefroidquentin 9 months ago
at 0:13!!! SAIS My favourite weapon!
I have one pair of my own.... :))
I could really use a defense from katana! Thanks for uploading! :)) ;)
Where can I find technique ''how to defend yourself when you can't see''?
Lovemystallion4ever 9 months ago
First technique: Yes, that will work.
Second technique: This won´t definatly not work against a thrust. Takes much too long from my opinion and your opponent must sleep while doing it.
DerSpartaner 9 months ago
@DerSpartaner cause an army has sleep walking happy stabbers.
you cant thrust while asleeep
oldhamj12 8 months ago
@oldhamj12
What I tried to say is, that in the second technique the opponent won´t react that way. If he just steps forward this won´t work.
DerSpartaner 8 months ago
Facepalm.This guy is liable to get hurt even going against a straw dummy >_<
TheMeanAdmin 9 months ago
Isn't the katana -usually- a slashing weapon as oppose stabbing?
PreposterousPorpoise 9 months ago
@PreposterousPorpoise Yes, but piercing is an option as well. I wouldn't recommend it, unless your assailant is asleep, severely wounded, or both of his/her arms are unusable or dismembered. Or unless you are killing from the shadows or behind.
gunblazingmutant 8 months ago
nice moves... where did he learn that ? Samurai Gundam ? or Way of the Samurai 3 ?
GusJustGus 9 months ago
Sometimes I wonder where they find their experts.
yuyupb 10 months ago
these guys are complete amateurs..
Raxqorz 10 months ago
A simple cut to Kote would suffice!!!!
PappaRoger 10 months ago
Pfffff... Don't make me laugh! Nobody would ever do such a slow and LOW thurst.. and most of all... a thurst isn't a principal attack.. you can't do it without a previus attack... you must make the opponent in a difficult position with a rapid slash before thrusting.. who the hell gave you the black belt, man????????
SnowVilliers1991 10 months ago
@SnowVilliers1991
This isn´t right. Watch Kendo matches: There u see lots of tsukis goin thorugh without any previous attacks.
In Kenjutsu:
One of Musashis famous techniques, and also to be found in Shinkage and Heiho Kaden Sho is the thrust to the face to make your enemys eyes reflex and then cut fast.
DerSpartaner 9 months ago
Works when the opponent is a retard dummy.
Devine5496 10 months ago
this should be done by someone whose japaneze
gobomb2k 11 months ago
It looks really gay comparing to viking training.
Oskareczekeczek 11 months ago
Grabbing the sharp blade with your hand are you for real?
supermercardo 11 months ago
@supermercardo To everybody saying "he's grabbing the sharp end of the blade" y'all need to look closer. He grabs the BACK END of the blade, which is NOT THE SHARP END. A katana only has ONE SHARP EDGE-the forward edge,not the back edge.
wilb6657 9 months ago
@wilb6657 clearly grabs the blade at 00:56. Look as his hand reaches around the 'sharp' side of the bokken.
supermercardo 7 months ago
WHAT THE FUCK HES BLOCKING AN ATTACK WITH A HAND ON A BLADE !!!! Man its gonna go alot faster than that !!
TheDrumsofGod 11 months ago
Good technique, keep practicing.
lucidwayne 11 months ago
so this is gay kay ???
Theziz8 1 year ago
Of the many problems with this...er...."technique", a real katana only cuts when pushing the blade through - not pulling it across the body.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
What a joke. Expert village, please stop supporting this idiot.
What a joke. Expert village, please stop supporting this idiot.
What a joke. Expert village, please stop supporting this idiot.
What a joke. Expert village, please stop supporting this idiot.
What a joke. Expert village, please stop supporting this idiot.
edwood777 1 year ago 3
Gay
kickingbearlotus 1 year ago
thanks
seanS196 1 year ago
shouldn't he be knocking it AWAY from himself...
peacemaker248 1 year ago
He said "okay" 13 times in a matter of 1 minute and 28 seconds.
guitarist347 1 year ago
kay
MooseHunter911 1 year ago
this video is for beginners so dont be haten
Leonidas3235 1 year ago
I don't understand why everybody criticizes his technique so thoroughly? I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing? realistically of course an opponent wouldn't stand still, but this is a demonstration of techniques to attempt to apply. It's really not that easy to react to someone, so ppl who say "he cood just duk." really show their lack of fighting experience.
VikingII 1 year ago
something very wrong about their footwork and the way they hold the sword...
and that 'thrust', hilarious XD
watercolour 1 year ago
you can tell Americans made this video ... they have their fucked up version of reality and bollocks to everyone else
alfreddegreat 1 year ago
KNOCK IT KAY AND THEN KAY AND AFTER THAT KAY , SO THATS KAY HOW KAY YOU KAY DO KAY IT KAY??
SuperDeamon666 1 year ago 50
@SuperDeamon666 lmao
thered4 1 year ago
@SuperDeamon666 Reminds me of that teacher from soutpark lmao. But a good master. lol
pwnyomoma 9 months ago
@pwnyomoma m kay
hunglow8in 9 months ago
use both hands! mkay
DrBasilikum 1 year ago
first block he could have swept through after the thrust catching you in the side. second block i would have kept both hands on the grip swinging under his sword after the block catching him across the torso just helpful hints remember kenjutsu wasnt all flashy movements but often times more meat and potatoes
ruku871 1 year ago
@ruku871 1st strike, instructor should have stepped into the attack instead of around the attack to execute a proper drive-down instead of that "tap" thing, precisely to prevent a counter like yours from happening. 2nd strike: your counter is easily defeated. Simplest thing to do: disengage, come around the other side, cut that right arm off. I mean, look at that huge opening! Half swording was also overkill. You don't need -that- much leverage.
tl;dr: legit moves, but his technique sucks.
arcturian627 1 year ago
@arcturian627 the instructors moves were the ones i was critiqueing i mean look at it in a real duel none with any experience would leave their side open like he did just to try and deliver a blow on the chance that it would be ducked and hed be saying hi to his intestines 2nd why would you take the time to reach for someones hand if you can deliver a stroke to the shoulder or torso that would end it right there and disengageing isnt an option cause it gives your opponent time to prepare.
ruku871 1 year ago
@ruku871 @2nd stroke, he just stuck his arm out right there, in fact his shoulder or torso is further away from you. Because he's so committed to that direction and turned so much, he won't come around on time. Instructor really shouldn't halfsword at that point imo, but it works if done properly. Not this.
@1st stroke: unless you're suicidal and ignore his counter, you won't be able to do that. Then again, with his bs flourishing, you might.
These moves do work, but he executed them badly.
arcturian627 1 year ago
Just pointing out he did say hilt. Not blade
Salaina5555 1 year ago
Yeh good idea to grab the blade. your an fool
billterm77 1 year ago
@billterm77 He clearly said to grab the HILT, not the blade so u'r the fool here :d
Spenser523 1 year ago
@billterm77 He clearly said to grab the HILT, not the blade so u'r the fool here :d
Spenser523 1 year ago
It's better you go learn how to use that, believe me. LOL
dmatrix5 1 year ago
What a McDojo, seriously. Where did this guy learn these techniques? Not from any Kenjutsu school that's for sure.
JohnC2211 1 year ago 35
@JohnC2211 I agree, looks more like Chinese arts. Too many movements.
guitarist347 1 year ago
@JohnC2211 He learnt it from youtube probably.
Jayakiran1 11 months ago
@JohnC2211 does jutsu mean technique or is that an anime reference?
oldhamj12 8 months ago
@oldhamj12
Jutsu is the japanese word for a Martial Art. Kenjutsu means The Art of the Sword.
Stop watchin Naruto and think this is real. X-D
DerSpartaner 8 months ago
@DerSpartaner meh never did watch naruto that mutch anyway. one piece ftw...
oldhamj12 8 months ago
@oldhamj12
One Piece ownz. Naruto became friggin annoying and boring.
DerSpartaner 8 months ago
@JohnC2211 well it is expert village what do you expect
AKWARDUSER379 4 months ago
Wooowwwwww expert village. Way to drop the fucking ball with this one. You got a kid who knows nothing about Kenjutsu to make an instructional video about fighting with a katana....... I doubt either of these kids have ever sparred with these bokken to find out that the techniques they teach are shit. Please, ANYONE trying to learn Kenjutsu ignore this video! fail..........
Sc0ttAurelius 1 year ago
OMG if any fool tried this on a real swordsman you would die quickly. You handle the katana as if it were an ax and no a four foot razor blade. Pull your videos down demand a refund from the fool you bought those moves and black belt from and go enroll in a real martial arts dojo. You are only making a fool of yourself and every one you pretend to teach!
nhaluta 1 year ago
I'm not saying that the jigane doesn't get used as a deflection, but preferably if you have to block a blow it's done with the edge ( in koryu arts). And I can see why.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku E-BOGU Edge v. flat is important in defending against thrusts. I have seen Shoto Tanemura’s people defending thrusts with blade parries. They have a very cool way of doing it from jodan and it looked to me like they were using the flat (as a matter of fact, it was similar to a technique I learned for the bo). I have copied their technique and have used it successfully several times in free fighting. It works well with the flat.
apachedrifter 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku E-BOGU e-bugo Edge v. flat parrying is important also in halfswording. This is a technique that exists in both WMA and JSA, and involves placing one hand on the blade as support when the blades collide
apachedrifter 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku halfswording techniques in JSA and WMA are almost always done moving toward the opponent to intercept the blow rather than to avoid it. I once saw a Japanese painting of a samurai taking a horizontal cut to the body while defending it from a halfswording position. The painting dated to about 1750. He appeared to be taking the blow on the flat.
apachedrifter 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku e-bugo To go into a little more detail My ryu deflects a downward cut from another blade downward with the edge. You are not going to spin a blade on it side to do this. The relative shape of a Japanese swords hilt (tsuka) is elipitical.
apachedrifter 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku This method is in the Ryu's manual call Gorin no Sho (Scrolls of the five Elements) We use a wrist twisting action to parry a long sword with short when holding two swords. This incorperates the flat of the blade.
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Hahaha
Read your own source dude.
"To go into a little more detail My ryu deflects a downward cut from another blade downward with the edge."
And read what I said.
"I'm not saying that the jigane doesn't get used as a deflection, but preferably if you have to block a blow it's done with the edge ( in koryu arts)."
Completely matches what I said.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozok how does it....each one says to use the flat of the blade,,,,not to prefer the edge FKN READE IT BETTER
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Actually you need to read it better.
He said in his ryu.
For downward cuts he uses the edge.
And then to parry he uses the flat.
And then at the end he said
"We use both the edge and flat... they both work.... They have to! "
You actually need to learn how to read better.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
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@BlackShinobiShozoku STILL DONT SAY EDGE ON EDGE CONTACT ANYWHERE
"We use both the edge and flat... they both work.... They have to! AND THS AN OUTRIGHT FKN LIE, ITS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE IN THERE I JUST READ ALL OF THEM AND ITS NOT THERE
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku AND JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS DOWNWARD DONT MEAN EDGE ON EDGE CONTACT YOU STILL HAVE NO PROOF THERE
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Edge on Edge is generally avoided... but if you're left with no options it's best to use the edge to block a blow.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku YES, BUT YOUR SAYING TO USE THE EDGE ALL THE TIME, YOUVE BEEN SAYING THT THIS WHOLE TIME TRYING TO MAKE ME OUT A LIER AND THT I DONT KNOW MY ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND. STOP CHANGING YOUR STORIES
apachedrifter 1 year ago
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@apachedrifter Actually you said the Samurai NEVER blocked with the edge
"you are so full of sht! the samurai NEVER blocked with teh edge! its a razor sharp section of pure crystallized martinsitic steel hardened at a Rc of 58-61. in other words"
< That is quoted from you.
So in essence you are proven wrong. Therefore by most sane human standards you have lost. I said already that they also use other parts of the sword as well.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku NOW.....YOUVE PROVEN ME RIGHT BY SAYING THIS, IVE WON, GO AWAY IM FINISHED
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW....THERE ARE 4 OTHER POSTS THT OUT RIGHT SAY TO USE THE FLAT
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Are those 4 other post from Koryu arts?
Because the Gorin no sho is from Koryu.
So that guy is a credible source.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku ALL THE OTHER 4 ARE FROM E-BOGU, WHICH YOU KEEP SAYING IS THE MOST CREDIBLE SOURCE
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter I could of swore it was E-budo.... lol.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku ningmui com archives english history japanese-swords-e.pdf The nihontō's razor-edge was so hard that upon hitting an equally hard or harder object, such as another sword's edge, chipping became a definite risk. blocking an oncoming blow blade-to-blade was generally avoided. evasive body maneuvers were preferred over blade contact by most, but, if such was not possible, the flat or the back of the blade was used for defense in many styles, rather than the precious edge.
apachedrifter 1 year ago
icn do this for the rest of the year, osaka will fall, i will be a thorn in your ass until you fkn GIVE UP!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
ok....im giving you something else to think on ksky ne jp ~sumie99 steel.html "In the meaning of utility tools, modern steels are better than tamahagane to make good blade." now, if modern steel is better then tamahagne and they tell you not to block with the edge on katana made with it.....how much more so did it apply to swords back when tamahagane was all they had? one more reason why they didnt block with the edge
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
You're so dumb, your point of the metal being the same quality or better quality has no relevance to how Samurai used their swords to block.
It's already END OF STORY. Unless you can find a Samurai lineage that proves your claim. So far all of them disprove your claim.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku it has EVERYTHING to do with it you ignorant asshole! IF TODAYS STEEL IS TOUGHER THEN TAMAHAGANE AND THEY SAY NOT TO BLOCK EDGE ON EDGE THEN WHY WOULD THE SAMURAI DO THE SAME THING WITH AN INFERIOR STEEL! AND YOU FAILED TO READ MY OTHER PIECES OF EVIDENCE IN MY FAVOR. AGAIN YOU HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY INTERNET PROOF TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. FKN GET REAL!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku IVE EVEN GIVEN YOU EXCERPS FROM OFFICIAL KORYU KATA AND YOU STILL DONT FKN GET IT
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Aikido Kata aren't koryu.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku not koryu eh? look again you stupid fk. KORYU dai part F san tachi tai tachi
apachedrifter 1 year ago
ill let you chew on this for a while, maybe by teh grace of god youll see how much of a dpsht you are and youll see the light
apachedrifter 1 year ago
answers yahoo com question index?qid=20090724002844AAqFuvW No sword can take edge to edge contact without damage. malcom d
apachedrifter 1 year ago
answers yahoo com question index?qid=20090724002844AAqFuvW Second, You never block another weapon with the cutting edge. That is sure to chip, or break the blade. Movies have given people the idea that you can block with the cutting edge. That is fantasy and is never done. the back of the blade and the sides of the blade are the blocking surfaces. pugpaws2
apachedrifter 1 year ago
answers yahoo com question index?qid=20090724002844AAqFuvW One learns never to block with the edge of his kantana but, rather, to turn the or twist the position of the sword so that you perry or receive an attack with the flat of the blade remembering that one only redirects the attack so as to not attempt to meet brute force with brute force. my friend
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Are those people from ancient Samurai Koryu art? That have answered on the website?
If not... Then your post is once again irrelevant.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku again you have yet to offer any proof to support your claims....ive given PLENTY of it. and all this sht is from researched history so eat tht!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
You haven't researched history. You've only given information from sources that are totally irrelevant to Samurai practices.
And then give your own theory "That's why samurai wouldn't blah blah blah"
When I'm sitting here telling you that SAMURAI SCHOOL MEMBERS HAVE SAID THEY USE THE EDGE TO BLOCK.
End of story. Find me a Koryu school that AGREES with you, and stop being foolish.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku GOD FKN DAM IT! GIVE ME AN INTERNET REFFERENCE! YOUR CLAIMS DONT MEAN SHT W/O BACK UP!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Internet references don't mean anything either unless they're relevant sources from ancient Koryu arts leading back to samurai retainers.
Which i have posted information from Samurai school retainers.
And my own school which is retained from samurai family.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku you still have no valid proof, i could say i shook hands with bill gates and it wouldnt mean sht w/o a picture FAIL
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
I believe I posted quotes from these people and the websites of where you can see the information for yourself. And actually if I wanted to I could ask you to provide date and time that you did.
And then contact bill gates and ask if you did.
And prove you wrong.
Same situation here... all you have to do is find a Koryu art that proves your point.
But so far it's exactly what I said. Only modern schools agree with you.(Ex. Iaido, Aikido, etc)
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku I HAVNT JUST GIVEN YOU MODERN SCHOOL PROOF, IVE GIVEN YOU EVERYTHING INCLUDING RESEARCHED PROOF ON IT, IT STILL STANDS, THE EDGE IS NOT TOUGH ENOUGH FOR EDGE TO EDGE CONTACT EVCEN ON A GLANCING BLOW
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Oh you haven't just gave me modern school proof?
Ah ok, which Koryu school are you quoting from? Please inform me. Even if the edge receives a chip, the sword is built in a manner to take impact from the direction of the edge.
Not take impact from being hit on the side.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku SORRY BUT KORYU WASNT THE ONLY SCHOOL THERE WERE AT LEAST 800 OF THEM THE MAJORITY USED TEH FLAT NOT THE EDGE
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Also it's E-budo not E-bugo
-sigh- wow don't even know basic japanese terms.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Just like I said... you ignore EVERYTHING that disagrees with you.
The same guy you're posting from also said this.
"We use both the edge and flat... they both work.... They have to! "
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku PROVE THEYRE IRRELEVENT, GIVE ME SOME SOLID PROOF
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Prove they're irrelevant.
Ok watch this.... watch very closely.... are you watching?
THEY'RE NOT ANCIENT KORYU SAMURAI SCHOOLS.
Oh my! That was so easy.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku PROVE IT! SHOW ME DOCUMENTED PROOF!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Prove what?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku prove wht? are you tht fkd up tht you cant even read wht you just wrote? "THEY'RE NOT ANCIENT KORYU SAMURAI SCHOOLS" PROVE IT!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter You want me to prove Aikido is not a Koryu school?
Wow your credibility in Japanese martial arts just took a nose drive.
Koryu schools must predate Meiji Era. Which is before 1800's. Aikido was formed by Morihei Ueshiba in 1900's.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku UMM SORRY AIKIDO IS NOT A SWORDSMANS ART, ITS PHYSICAL GRAPPLING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WERE DEBATING
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Aikido does contain sword kata.
And you were posting Aikido kata yourself... lol do you even read your own sources?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku Weapons training in aikido traditionally includes the short staff (jō), wooden sword (bokken), and knife (tantō).[3 THERES YOUR WEAPONS ASSHOLE
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter .... Kenjutsu schools use bokken as well.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku SO...IT DONT SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT AIKIDO BEING A SWORD ART, ITS PRIMARILY PHYSICAL WITH SOME SWORD TEACHINGS, KENJUTSU IS ALL SWORD SO DONT EVEN TRY TALKING ABOUT AIKIDO HERE
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
I didn't argue Aikido being a sword art... now did I?
Do you ever read anything? This is a serious question.
You're the one bringing up quotes from Aikidoka and referring to Aikido Kata.
Not Me.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku no yourre right I havnt BUT THESE PPL HAVE and theyre not my theories THEYRE THE RESEARCHED FACTS FROM PPL WHO KNOW A SHT LOAD MORE THEN YOU AND I PUT TOGETHER
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Whatever you say... I still saw no Koryu arts that agree with what you say. Only modern schools... Which is convenient isn't it?
Kinda exactly how I keep saying that Modern schools teach what you say, and not actual LEGIT samurai schools.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku GOD MAN, THE RESEARCH IS FROM ANCIENT JAPAN DONT YOU FKN GET IT?
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
From ancient Japan? What research is from ancient japan?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku UMM....EVERYTHING IVE QUOTED, THEY DIDNT JUST PULL THIS SHT FROM THEIR ASS! IT WAS RESEARCHED FROM HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AND FROM THOSE WHO KNOW ABOUT IT INCLUDING ARCHEOLOGISTS, PALEONTOLOGISTS, AND EVEN TALKING TO THE OLDER GENERATION
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
What historical documents?
What makimono are you pulling this from?
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku DO I LOOK LIKE A FKN ARCHIVIST? IT WAS NEVER SAID WHT THEY READ
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Sounds like your source is a dud if it's not coming from Samurai.
I don't know about you, but if I want to learn about samurai. I would go ask those who use samurai techniques. Not totally irrelevant sources.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
myarmoury com talk viewtopic php?p=100687Well I can certainly agree that if you bash two sharp edges together it will damage both swords. I don't think anyone can really dispute that, especially if they do a few tests. nicholas zeman
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Is Nicholas Zeman apart of ancient Samurai Koryu?
If not your post is once again irrelevant.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku no he isnt....BUT IT STILL STANDS, IF YOU BASH TWO SAHRP OBJECTS TOGETHER IT WILL DAMAGE THEM BOTH. unless you want a fkn GINSU knife
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
No it doesn't still stand... You don't BASH them together. Since they don't block Force on Force.
-sigh- you're so thick headed and hard to reach.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku no YOUR BEING A STUBORN ASSHOLE WHOS NOT LISTENING TO PURE LOGIC AND PHYSICS. these things have not changed, just because a thousand years have passed dont mean sht. steel still is steel, the crystalan structure of martansite is still the same, the fact tht you cant impact two pieces of brittle hardened Rc62 steel w/o damage STILL APPLIES EVEN WITH A GLANCING DEFLECTION BLOW, IT STILL WILL DO DAMAGE!
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
Oh really?
Because i'm under the impression if a 1060 steel katana can have its point shoved through a steel chair without damaging the point.. It can deflect without being chipped.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku umm....A STEEL CHAIR IS MILD UNTEMPERED STEEL, SO IS A CAR HOOD ITS NOT TEMPERED W2 AT Rc62 GO DO SOME REAL RESEARCH AND STOP ACTING LIKE A DPSHT
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter Your point?
If a point can still maintain its point after being shoved through one. Than a mere deflecting blow would not damage a correctly forged sword. Sorry... please show me a test where that would happen.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku youre so stupid.....A FKN KABAR CAN DO TEH SAME THING it dont mean sht against another hardened piece of steel YOU CANT CHANGE PHYSICS
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
KORYU dai part F san tachi tai tachi < Is Aikido kata.
lol this is funny how you show you have no earthly idea what a Koryu art is.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@BlackShinobiShozoku AND YOU CLAIMED IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH KORYU GET YOUR SHT STRAIGHT
apachedrifter 1 year ago
@apachedrifter
It doesn't have anything to do with Koryu.
Once you actually learn what Koryu means... then you might actually get somewhere.
You probably don't even understand the meaning of Koryu in the first place.
I help you out since I Feel sorry for oyu. Ko Ryu(Ancient Flow)
An ancient flow would basically be for example
Tenshin Shōden Katori Shintō Ryu
Aikido is not a Ancient Flow is was created post Meiji era.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago