As a high school dropout, ex-foster kid, brother to two felons, who is now earning a 4.0 in college - I look forward to feeling like I shook up the world.
I dont particularly like the antics of Ali but man he woudl've toyed with Mike Tyson if they both met in their primes. Just check Ali's fight with Foreman and Frazier. Ali has the speed of a lightweight and punches like a superheavyweight. It is almost unfair.
Blah blah balh.... You still didn't answer my point. Ali besides Foreman NEVER beat a great fighter. Sonny Liston was a mob pawn who dove and never beat anyone and Norton and Frazier pretty much beat Ali or drawed him. Ali was very good but his mouth made him "great", not his boxing wins. Do your homework and not listen to Howard Cosell clips....
@aitraining Your ignorance is unbelievable. "Sonny Liston was a mob pawn who dove and never beat anyone" Really??? So Floyd Patterson, the only champion up to that time to regain the title, was "nobody" (that's funny, Floyd Patterson could've whipped your ass when he was dying of Alzheimer's)? Oh and how many times was Ali KO'd in his professional career (against hard hitters like Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers [heard of him?], and Norton)? Come back when you've found out.
@aitraining Ali 'NEVER beat a great fighter', are you taking the piss? Ali beat Foreman, Frazier(twice), Norton, Liston(twice), Patterson, Granite Chin Chuvalo (twice), big hitters Lyle, and Shavers, as well as names such as Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis, Young, Wepner, as well as regaining his title a third time by avenging his loss to Laeon Spinks when he was way over the hill.YOU do YOUR homework, you imbecile. How dare you chat shit about The Greatest.
LOl people being racist again so what if hes muslium well lemme tell you one thing... FUCK CHRISTIANS < JEWS < CATHOLICS < W.E YOU ARE! did you like that?? i didn't mean it.. so STFU AND STOP BEING RACIST BEFOUR OTHER PEOPLE BE RACIST TOU DUMB FAGGOTS.
Ali was a dick. Most of the great fighters went full distance of beat hit him. Toss out the Foreman fight which was a f'd up fight anyway in Africa at 3 in the morning......ALI was OVERRATED and shot in his mid 30's. Big George was the man. Killed guys Ali could bareky deal with and won the world title again at 40! Who else did that? Fuck Ali and his muslim mouth. Big George was the shit!
@aitraining "Killed guys Ali could barely deal with" like Jimmy Young?
"Shot in his 30's"- as opposed to just giving up his carreer in his 20's?
Or how about the fact that a shot Ali beat Earnie Shavers when Foreman was admittedly ducking him?
Here's some food for thought: Foreman gave Ali full credit for the win in Zaire, and generally praised the shit out of him. But I guess youre in a better position of making that judgement than Big George himself huh?
@aitraining LMFAO! Wow, ur actually gonna try and play the "oldest champ" card?! Don't cos ur just embarassing urself. There were NO great fighters at the time. George is a LEGEND of boxing and fought alongside other legends (like Ali & Frazier) in his prime. His greatest achievement is winning the title THEN. When there was a real competition.
"Shot in his mid-thirties"? Oh I see...because most boxers hit their peak then do they? Get real.
@MrTehnoobz You should read my comment properly - and the comment it was in reply to - before you start insulting me personally.
I was DEFENDIND Ali! Somebody else said "Ali was a dick." and "Ali was overrated" and "(he) was shot in his mid 30's" The same person suggested Foreman was better because he won the title in his forties.
Muhammad Ali is a legend both in and out of the ring, he transcended his sport, and is one of my idols in LIFE. The man inspired me to become a boxer.
@MrTehnoobz Also if you had read my comment you'd have seen I called the same person a bigot because they had the audacity to say: "Fuck Ali and his muslim mouth"...I hate racism, I'm half Indian and have been subjected to it, it's disgusting.
Just to clarify I personally believe Ali is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. Don't patronise me by calling me "kid" I may only be 24 and not privileged to have seen Ali fight but that doesn't make you "better" than me.
@aitraining LOL! His muslium mouth oh wait i got an idea ;) Aitraining was a dick. Most of the great fighters lie muhammed ali. ......ALI was BEAST and shot in his mid 30's. ali was the man. Killed guys geroge could bareky deal with and won the world title again at 40! Who else did that? Fuck aitraining and his jewish mouth.
@aitraining That's why he took everything Big George (in his prime) threw at him and then knocked him silly (and don't give me that "Oh it was 3:00AM ..." bullshit.) And lest I forget: why don't you get back on your Ellis Island boat and GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY, BIGOT (my family's been here since at least 1795, when did yours sneak over?)
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yo soy una biblia del boxeo. ali en los 80 paso vergüenza y fijate con larry que levanta los brazos y no quiere golpear a su maestro en la pelea. tu eres un fanatico a ali le paso como a willis may en los mets, decadente le cayo una bola en la boca, todo tiene su final, ali en los 60 grande y su ultima gran demostración con foreman
@CrueLoaf I was just saying since you said 1963. It wasn't official yet but people knew Muhammad Ali meant Cassius Clay at the time of the fight. I guess it really doesn't matter either way.
Liston cheated. His corner "Juiced his gloves" by smearing an oitment on them that nearly blinded Ali. If it wernt for Angelo Dundee Ali would of qiut after round 4. But he fought on half blind in round 5 after been told by Dundee "Run away from him, use the yardstick". Liston got beat down and quit coz of embarassment-not the fake shoulder injury that they said. He did have a torn ligament but had took much worse in his carrer that was pysically pain full, just not anything as mentally painful
@cprince10. Tyson would have been wound up by the trash talk but he still understood his ability own as a fighter and in the ring prime tyson was relentless, ali was blessed with skill, its a tought one.
1966 ali and 1986 tyson would be awsome. hard to say who would win. ali would not knock out tyson if he won he would win a decision. if tyson caught him he might have finished him.
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Ma vaffanculo!!!!!. Ali never respect he's opponent after the fight. Look at hes ballet when Liston not gonna continuos beacouse cut. I loved if Ali meet in his time a kid call Mike Tyson.
@gangst1978 what do you mean Joe didn't know what to think? He knew EXACTLY what to think...he's the one who called it first...said Ali was ready to go ahead and win it now...and then Liston didn't get up for round 7...No I think Joe was dead on in his commentary and was underated...his commentary was good in this one
Sorry, let me explain myself, it was just an abservation of mine. Joe louis at the end looked shocked at Ali's mouth, when Ali was doing all his shouting, he is to the right of the screen. I wasnt critiquing his comentary.
No I apoligize ganst`1978. Didn't mean to be needlessly argumentative. I agree with your observation. Joe does look a little outdone (and maybe a bit embarrased) at Ali's antics. I think Joe was possilby not one of ali's biggest fans. Joe was old school and thought Negroes should be on their best behavior in public forums like this one. Not making a spectacle of themselves. His management steered Joe clear of Jack Johnson (whom Joe would naturally have looked up to) for that same reason
Very well said, Im a big Joe Louis fan, he is my inspiration, Ali was a great fighter but i never put him up on a pedestal this is simply because i prefer how Joe louis handled himself and his soft spoken nature, even though he was told how to act i still like the man more than Ali who made uncle Tom comments about Joe Louis and Joe Frazier and did it especially nastily to Frazier, im more of a Louis personality myself so i cant get on with Ali's Antics. Cheers
@emachine23 lol, hes not the greatest mate, expain why hes the greatest, what seperates him from the rest? and not the effect he had outside the ring this is only his boxing accomplishments! i look forward to hearing your reasons
@jrgniuwer ok so think about this...the fighting styles of each fighter basically end up having frazier beating him most of the time but yet because he was so skilled he overcame the strategic difference and beat him. just like in frazier vs foreman, foremans fight style beats fraziers style...
@emachine23 ali lost to spinks , holmes, fraizer, berbick ect....... and tyson lost to holyfield , buster d, and lewis, wheres the difference in callibar of fighter there? ali first to win title 3 times, tyson youngest ever to win the title! ......so why is ali the greatest and tyson not????????????????????????????
@jrgniuwer, Ali lost to Holmes when Ali was 38 and well out of his prime. Like a lot of fighters he didn't know when to walk away. Berbick was a year later and it was clear that Ali was already pretty bad off physically. Only once did Ali lose by anything other than a decision and, unlike Tyson, he was never knocked out.
Frazier and young Foreman are both as good if not better than anyone Tyson lost to and much better than anyone he ever beat. Ali-Frazier: 2-1; Ali-Foreman: 1-0.
@jrgniuwer, oh and name any fighter Ali ever even came close to losing to when he was 35 or younger who was anywhere near as mediocre as Buster Douglas. Tyson fought Douglas in Tyson's prime (24) and got knocked out. That right there disqualifies him for GOAT conversation. I am not saying Ali is the best, but he was better than Tyson. Also if you're going to include Holmes, who was really good, and Spinks for Ali, then you have to include Williams and McBride (both mediocre) for Tyson.
@jdlund errrrr , henry cooper!, he nearlly got knocked the fuck out by henry ,they bided time on the torn glove issue in the 4th or 5th round so ali could wake his arse up ,and thats when he was still cassius clay and he got put on his arse!!!!!! :) tyson never got knoced down in all his fights leading to the title when he unified untill 1990 by BD and he A he never trained properly and buster was down for 15seconds (long count)
@jrgniuwer, oh God never mind. I thought you were at least a serious boxing fan up for an intelligent discussion, but you're one of these frickin loser Tyson homers whinning about "the long count." That claim is bullshit and has been refuted many, many times. Ali got a lousy six extra seconds over the torn glove. That didn't do jack shit. What had he gotten up six seconds before he did he wouldn't have still beat the shit out of Cooper in the fifth and sixth rounds? Bullshit.
@jrgniuwer, bottom line is Ali still beat Cooper, pretty easily, and Tyson lost to Buster. Tyson had no where near the level of competition that Ali faced and Ali had a better record. Prior to hitting his mid to late 30s he only lost to good oponents and had a winning record against everyone he faced. Again I am not saying Ali is necessarily the greatest but he was better than Tyson.
@jdlund fair enuff my man good points mate ali was great prob better than tyson but you have to admit a 20 year old tyson would be a tuff fight for a young ali give him some credit man please hes a legend ok there was not as good opponents than in ali's era but is that tyson's fault i think tyson would of beat frazier, norton, maybe foreman (on a push0 ,holmes,
Ali and Tyson: Yep that would be a tough one back in the day but I believe Ali would be too quick for Tyson to do his jugular veign trick and choke Ali...
Plus Ali would jack the mess out of Tyson talking, rapping and dissing him in the ring ;^D
@jrgniuwer, I'd agree wit that. Tyson had a hell of a punch. I think he could have given Foreman and Frazier a pretty good run at least. I would love to see a fight between 23 year old Foreman and 23 year old Tyson.
Foreman would have won, I don't think anybody realises this but Tyson is very very similar to Joe Frazier they're best punches are both those devastating hooks, Foreman was so big and powerful, Tyson would have to take a hell of a lot of punishment to get into Foreman, and in that instance I think Tyson would suffer the same fate as Frazier to Foreman, KO
@bondey6678 i agree that tyson is similiar to frazier but i think he wud do a bit better against foreman then frazier, but i think ali would destroy tyson because ali could go the distance easily anf tyson was never the same fighter after 6 rounds
@jrgniuwer "so why is ali the greatest and tyson not????????????????????????????" Maybe because Ali was never knocked out (and only TKO'd once, unlike Tyson.) Maybe, just maybe, it was because Ali beat people who would've cleaned Tyson's clock by the second round -- if Tyson made it that far (Sonny Liston, Earnie Shavers, and the young George Foreman come to mind.) Do your homework.
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@ebanksblake09 Ali was NOT the greatest of all time. That was HIS tag. Ali struggled with most great fighter s and lost to ...or should have to most of them (Norton, Frazier) and Leon Spinks beat him - gimmie a break. Toss out the Foreman man loss and he really was alot of mouth. Joe Louis is the greatest ever. Larry Holmes second. Ali was beyond overrared.
@aitraining You do know why he lost from Frazier? He was out for 3 years. We never saw Ali in his prime, because the vietnam war.. He gave Leon Spinks a whopping in 1978, while he clearly had the first signs of Parkinson. He beat Sonny Liston, which at that time seemed impossible.. And maybe he would not been able to beat everybody, he said it himself, he truly is the greatest boxer of all time. Why? He was so ringsmart, he was a beautifull dancer boxer, he had great speed, and was a true champ!
@aitraining So wait, Joe Louis (who was knocked out in his prime by a "shot fighter" like Max Schmeling and almost lost the title to a puffed-up lightweight like Billy Conn) was "the Greatest"? And Ali's sparring partner Larry Holmes was "second"? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! But then again, aitraining is the same idiot who thinks Floyd Patterson was a "nobody" and that falling down when hit with a hard right hook is called "taking a dive." Please, aitraining, say out of "grown folks'" conversations.
Haha Ali shuffling to the center of the ring
Chex2331 1 week ago
1:22- 1:24
" I must be The Greatest" - And he has right :) He became The Greatest :)
MrBonio95 1 month ago
As a high school dropout, ex-foster kid, brother to two felons, who is now earning a 4.0 in college - I look forward to feeling like I shook up the world.
Thank you Ali, for being an inspiration.
kendigjl 1 month ago
this is excerpt from documentary MUHAMMAD ALI THE WHOLE STORY
inviziblehunter 2 months ago
I MUST BE THE GREATEST!
Chex2331 2 months ago
I dont particularly like the antics of Ali but man he woudl've toyed with Mike Tyson if they both met in their primes. Just check Ali's fight with Foreman and Frazier. Ali has the speed of a lightweight and punches like a superheavyweight. It is almost unfair.
dondiemarte 3 months ago
@dondiemarte yeh but he SHOOK UP THE WORLD :p
thial11 2 months ago
@dondiemarte his antics is what made him great especially during that time for a man like him to speak out the way he did
RayMagic12192 6 hours ago
@aittraining
lukebishop1989 4 months ago
Blah blah balh.... You still didn't answer my point. Ali besides Foreman NEVER beat a great fighter. Sonny Liston was a mob pawn who dove and never beat anyone and Norton and Frazier pretty much beat Ali or drawed him. Ali was very good but his mouth made him "great", not his boxing wins. Do your homework and not listen to Howard Cosell clips....
aitraining 5 months ago
@aitraining Your ignorance is unbelievable. "Sonny Liston was a mob pawn who dove and never beat anyone" Really??? So Floyd Patterson, the only champion up to that time to regain the title, was "nobody" (that's funny, Floyd Patterson could've whipped your ass when he was dying of Alzheimer's)? Oh and how many times was Ali KO'd in his professional career (against hard hitters like Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers [heard of him?], and Norton)? Come back when you've found out.
HarryButtman2 3 months ago
@aitraining Ali 'NEVER beat a great fighter', are you taking the piss? Ali beat Foreman, Frazier(twice), Norton, Liston(twice), Patterson, Granite Chin Chuvalo (twice), big hitters Lyle, and Shavers, as well as names such as Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis, Young, Wepner, as well as regaining his title a third time by avenging his loss to Laeon Spinks when he was way over the hill.YOU do YOUR homework, you imbecile. How dare you chat shit about The Greatest.
waasyjatt 2 months ago 8
I SHOOK UP THE WORLD! I SHOOK UP THE WORLD! I SHOOK UP THE WORLD! that was awesome.
sk8forlife90 7 months ago 5
LOl people being racist again so what if hes muslium well lemme tell you one thing... FUCK CHRISTIANS < JEWS < CATHOLICS < W.E YOU ARE! did you like that?? i didn't mean it.. so STFU AND STOP BEING RACIST BEFOUR OTHER PEOPLE BE RACIST TOU DUMB FAGGOTS.
MrTehnoobz 7 months ago
Ali was a dick. Most of the great fighters went full distance of beat hit him. Toss out the Foreman fight which was a f'd up fight anyway in Africa at 3 in the morning......ALI was OVERRATED and shot in his mid 30's. Big George was the man. Killed guys Ali could bareky deal with and won the world title again at 40! Who else did that? Fuck Ali and his muslim mouth. Big George was the shit!
aitraining 8 months ago
@aitraining "Killed guys Ali could barely deal with" like Jimmy Young?
"Shot in his 30's"- as opposed to just giving up his carreer in his 20's?
Or how about the fact that a shot Ali beat Earnie Shavers when Foreman was admittedly ducking him?
Here's some food for thought: Foreman gave Ali full credit for the win in Zaire, and generally praised the shit out of him. But I guess youre in a better position of making that judgement than Big George himself huh?
apestaartje321 8 months ago
@aitraining LMFAO! Wow, ur actually gonna try and play the "oldest champ" card?! Don't cos ur just embarassing urself. There were NO great fighters at the time. George is a LEGEND of boxing and fought alongside other legends (like Ali & Frazier) in his prime. His greatest achievement is winning the title THEN. When there was a real competition.
"Shot in his mid-thirties"? Oh I see...because most boxers hit their peak then do they? Get real.
"...and his mulsim mouth" Clearly ur a bigot.
spencesaab 8 months ago
@spencesaab Literly Your Gay.. WHAT A FUCKING OLD BOXER... ?? Muhammed Ali Is The Greatest Of the Greastest So Stop being fucking jelous kid.
MrTehnoobz 7 months ago
@MrTehnoobz You should read my comment properly - and the comment it was in reply to - before you start insulting me personally.
I was DEFENDIND Ali! Somebody else said "Ali was a dick." and "Ali was overrated" and "(he) was shot in his mid 30's" The same person suggested Foreman was better because he won the title in his forties.
Muhammad Ali is a legend both in and out of the ring, he transcended his sport, and is one of my idols in LIFE. The man inspired me to become a boxer.
spencesaab 7 months ago
@MrTehnoobz Also if you had read my comment you'd have seen I called the same person a bigot because they had the audacity to say: "Fuck Ali and his muslim mouth"...I hate racism, I'm half Indian and have been subjected to it, it's disgusting.
Just to clarify I personally believe Ali is the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. Don't patronise me by calling me "kid" I may only be 24 and not privileged to have seen Ali fight but that doesn't make you "better" than me.
spencesaab 7 months ago
@MrTehnoobz Please show some respect for the great welterweight champion Emile Griffith and stop calling people you disagree with "gay."
HarryButtman2 3 months ago
@aitraining LOL! His muslium mouth oh wait i got an idea ;) Aitraining was a dick. Most of the great fighters lie muhammed ali. ......ALI was BEAST and shot in his mid 30's. ali was the man. Killed guys geroge could bareky deal with and won the world title again at 40! Who else did that? Fuck aitraining and his jewish mouth.
MrTehnoobz 7 months ago
@aitraining That's why he took everything Big George (in his prime) threw at him and then knocked him silly (and don't give me that "Oh it was 3:00AM ..." bullshit.) And lest I forget: why don't you get back on your Ellis Island boat and GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY, BIGOT (my family's been here since at least 1795, when did yours sneak over?)
HarryButtman2 3 months ago
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RG3gangsta 10 months ago
yo soy una biblia del boxeo. ali en los 80 paso vergüenza y fijate con larry que levanta los brazos y no quiere golpear a su maestro en la pelea. tu eres un fanatico a ali le paso como a willis may en los mets, decadente le cayo una bola en la boca, todo tiene su final, ali en los 60 grande y su ultima gran demostración con foreman
despues vino la falsa de spink
elmagomerlin03 10 months ago
the most fixed of all time
timjseg 10 months ago
@timjseg I agree and Ali was overrated too.....
aitraining 8 months ago
@aitraining Your gay
MrTehnoobz 7 months ago
1963, It was Clay, not Ali!
CrueLoaf 10 months ago
@CrueLoaf this fight was in '64
NiceAndBlue15 8 months ago
@NiceAndBlue15 Part of 1964 he was Clay. He changed his name AFTER fighting Liston.
CrueLoaf 8 months ago
@CrueLoaf I was just saying since you said 1963. It wasn't official yet but people knew Muhammad Ali meant Cassius Clay at the time of the fight. I guess it really doesn't matter either way.
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@CrueLoaf this fight was in '64
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Liston cheated. His corner "Juiced his gloves" by smearing an oitment on them that nearly blinded Ali. If it wernt for Angelo Dundee Ali would of qiut after round 4. But he fought on half blind in round 5 after been told by Dundee "Run away from him, use the yardstick". Liston got beat down and quit coz of embarassment-not the fake shoulder injury that they said. He did have a torn ligament but had took much worse in his carrer that was pysically pain full, just not anything as mentally painful
WALLY1234556 11 months ago
Ali uno de los farsante de la historia........
elmagomerlin03 11 months ago
@elmagomerlin03
farsante???
cualquiera, si no sabes un carajo del tema no opines porq quedas como un salame, salame!!!
RNOB 10 months ago
@elmagomerlin03 good joke, asshole
Saiyan123456 9 months ago
knocked the ugly off him
db95018 1 year ago
So fucking Love 0:34 when he do his SHUFFLE.
whooaaaa 1 year ago
One of the biggest upsets in boxing history and one of the best fights I ever saw
lcolby11 1 year ago
Foreman vs Ali 2 would have been crazy but Pacquiao vs Mayweather Maybe better
DraGorian777 1 year ago
I think an Ali Tyson fight would've gone the same way as the Holyfield Tyson fight, with Tyson losing ungracefully
cprince10 1 year ago
@cprince10 I disagree. the tyson that fought holyfield in 1996/7 was a different person to that of the champ we loved in 1986.
gregm20072007 1 year ago
@gregm20072007 Tyson's problem was he wasn't strong enough mentally. Ali would've beaten him before they got in the ring.
cprince10 1 year ago
@cprince10. Tyson would have been wound up by the trash talk but he still understood his ability own as a fighter and in the ring prime tyson was relentless, ali was blessed with skill, its a tought one.
gregm20072007 1 year ago
1966 ali and 1986 tyson would be awsome. hard to say who would win. ali would not knock out tyson if he won he would win a decision. if tyson caught him he might have finished him.
gregm20072007 1 year ago
hahahaha. the reporters at the time really didn't like ali because he was too cocky, but he won us all over in the end. =)
xridethelightningx 1 year ago 2
i seen a mouse! O.O
x14yrOldStoner420x 1 year ago
look at joe lois 1:24 lolololol!!
FederalTracks 1 year ago
wtf>?? lol :D nothing happened xD
zone1997 1 year ago
awesome
fabaq121126 1 year ago
The Great Joe Louis and Ali my two most favourite boxers of all time.
BIGGPUNISHERR 1 year ago
I am the greatest trash talker of all times.
48weld 2 years ago
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haha this is where the jerk dance came from
NickWiebusch 2 years ago
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Ma vaffanculo!!!!!. Ali never respect he's opponent after the fight. Look at hes ballet when Liston not gonna continuos beacouse cut. I loved if Ali meet in his time a kid call Mike Tyson.
WHITEORSE 2 years ago
Seem someone observe the fights. I thought I was the only
HIGHLANDERGANASNYA 2 years ago
Ali was celebrating his win. What was he supposed to do? Cry?
STFU
007rocksalotmann 2 years ago 48
joe louis is like fucking bitch i made 25 title defences...hahhaha...Ali is the best ever
anikin69 2 years ago
Joe louis didnt know what the fuck to think lol..
gangst1978 2 years ago
ha ha
feddei111 2 years ago
@gangst1978 what do you mean Joe didn't know what to think? He knew EXACTLY what to think...he's the one who called it first...said Ali was ready to go ahead and win it now...and then Liston didn't get up for round 7...No I think Joe was dead on in his commentary and was underated...his commentary was good in this one
sonwamac 2 years ago 2
Sorry, let me explain myself, it was just an abservation of mine. Joe louis at the end looked shocked at Ali's mouth, when Ali was doing all his shouting, he is to the right of the screen. I wasnt critiquing his comentary.
gangst1978 2 years ago
No I apoligize ganst`1978. Didn't mean to be needlessly argumentative. I agree with your observation. Joe does look a little outdone (and maybe a bit embarrased) at Ali's antics. I think Joe was possilby not one of ali's biggest fans. Joe was old school and thought Negroes should be on their best behavior in public forums like this one. Not making a spectacle of themselves. His management steered Joe clear of Jack Johnson (whom Joe would naturally have looked up to) for that same reason
sonwamac 2 years ago
Very well said, Im a big Joe Louis fan, he is my inspiration, Ali was a great fighter but i never put him up on a pedestal this is simply because i prefer how Joe louis handled himself and his soft spoken nature, even though he was told how to act i still like the man more than Ali who made uncle Tom comments about Joe Louis and Joe Frazier and did it especially nastily to Frazier, im more of a Louis personality myself so i cant get on with Ali's Antics. Cheers
gangst1978 2 years ago
You like a negro as long as they never open their mouth..no wonder Joe Louis died broke the way his white master wanted him...lol
rebelllllv 1 year ago
That statement he made when he said if God's with me, can't nobody be against me. . . that's powerful man. I think it embodies his life.
nwhalifax 2 years ago 6
he's good
harveyscrazy 2 years ago
He shook up the world !
mazyrun09 2 years ago 7
the greatest of all time!
ebanksblake09 2 years ago 33
@ebanksblake09 great.....but not the greatest!
jrgniuwer 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer no...ali was the greatest...there is no debating it
emachine23 1 year ago
@emachine23 lol, hes not the greatest mate, expain why hes the greatest, what seperates him from the rest? and not the effect he had outside the ring this is only his boxing accomplishments! i look forward to hearing your reasons
jrgniuwer 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer ok so think about this...the fighting styles of each fighter basically end up having frazier beating him most of the time but yet because he was so skilled he overcame the strategic difference and beat him. just like in frazier vs foreman, foremans fight style beats fraziers style...
emachine23 1 year ago
@emachine23 ali lost to spinks , holmes, fraizer, berbick ect....... and tyson lost to holyfield , buster d, and lewis, wheres the difference in callibar of fighter there? ali first to win title 3 times, tyson youngest ever to win the title! ......so why is ali the greatest and tyson not????????????????????????????
jrgniuwer 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer, Ali lost to Holmes when Ali was 38 and well out of his prime. Like a lot of fighters he didn't know when to walk away. Berbick was a year later and it was clear that Ali was already pretty bad off physically. Only once did Ali lose by anything other than a decision and, unlike Tyson, he was never knocked out.
Frazier and young Foreman are both as good if not better than anyone Tyson lost to and much better than anyone he ever beat. Ali-Frazier: 2-1; Ali-Foreman: 1-0.
jdlund 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer, oh and name any fighter Ali ever even came close to losing to when he was 35 or younger who was anywhere near as mediocre as Buster Douglas. Tyson fought Douglas in Tyson's prime (24) and got knocked out. That right there disqualifies him for GOAT conversation. I am not saying Ali is the best, but he was better than Tyson. Also if you're going to include Holmes, who was really good, and Spinks for Ali, then you have to include Williams and McBride (both mediocre) for Tyson.
jdlund 1 year ago
@jdlund errrrr , henry cooper!, he nearlly got knocked the fuck out by henry ,they bided time on the torn glove issue in the 4th or 5th round so ali could wake his arse up ,and thats when he was still cassius clay and he got put on his arse!!!!!! :) tyson never got knoced down in all his fights leading to the title when he unified untill 1990 by BD and he A he never trained properly and buster was down for 15seconds (long count)
jrgniuwer 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer, oh God never mind. I thought you were at least a serious boxing fan up for an intelligent discussion, but you're one of these frickin loser Tyson homers whinning about "the long count." That claim is bullshit and has been refuted many, many times. Ali got a lousy six extra seconds over the torn glove. That didn't do jack shit. What had he gotten up six seconds before he did he wouldn't have still beat the shit out of Cooper in the fifth and sixth rounds? Bullshit.
jdlund 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer, bottom line is Ali still beat Cooper, pretty easily, and Tyson lost to Buster. Tyson had no where near the level of competition that Ali faced and Ali had a better record. Prior to hitting his mid to late 30s he only lost to good oponents and had a winning record against everyone he faced. Again I am not saying Ali is necessarily the greatest but he was better than Tyson.
jdlund 1 year ago
@jdlund fair enuff my man good points mate ali was great prob better than tyson but you have to admit a 20 year old tyson would be a tuff fight for a young ali give him some credit man please hes a legend ok there was not as good opponents than in ali's era but is that tyson's fault i think tyson would of beat frazier, norton, maybe foreman (on a push0 ,holmes,
jrgniuwer 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer
Ali and Tyson: Yep that would be a tough one back in the day but I believe Ali would be too quick for Tyson to do his jugular veign trick and choke Ali...
Plus Ali would jack the mess out of Tyson talking, rapping and dissing him in the ring ;^D
Thnaks for posting
bronxbarbiedolla 1 year ago
@jrgniuwer, I'd agree wit that. Tyson had a hell of a punch. I think he could have given Foreman and Frazier a pretty good run at least. I would love to see a fight between 23 year old Foreman and 23 year old Tyson.
jdlund 1 year ago
@jdlund oh mate that would be a great fight and both in there primes, would of loved to have seen that man :)
jrgniuwer 1 year ago
@jdlund
Foreman would have won, I don't think anybody realises this but Tyson is very very similar to Joe Frazier they're best punches are both those devastating hooks, Foreman was so big and powerful, Tyson would have to take a hell of a lot of punishment to get into Foreman, and in that instance I think Tyson would suffer the same fate as Frazier to Foreman, KO
bondey6678 1 year ago
@bondey6678 i agree that tyson is similiar to frazier but i think he wud do a bit better against foreman then frazier, but i think ali would destroy tyson because ali could go the distance easily anf tyson was never the same fighter after 6 rounds
australiafinest 10 months ago
@jrgniuwer "so why is ali the greatest and tyson not????????????????????????????" Maybe because Ali was never knocked out (and only TKO'd once, unlike Tyson.) Maybe, just maybe, it was because Ali beat people who would've cleaned Tyson's clock by the second round -- if Tyson made it that far (Sonny Liston, Earnie Shavers, and the young George Foreman come to mind.) Do your homework.
HarryButtman2 3 months ago
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@ebanksblake09 Ali was NOT the greatest of all time. That was HIS tag. Ali struggled with most great fighter s and lost to ...or should have to most of them (Norton, Frazier) and Leon Spinks beat him - gimmie a break. Toss out the Foreman man loss and he really was alot of mouth. Joe Louis is the greatest ever. Larry Holmes second. Ali was beyond overrared.
aitraining 7 months ago
@aitraining no... ALI, greatest of all time
silvastian 6 months ago
@aitraining You do know why he lost from Frazier? He was out for 3 years. We never saw Ali in his prime, because the vietnam war.. He gave Leon Spinks a whopping in 1978, while he clearly had the first signs of Parkinson. He beat Sonny Liston, which at that time seemed impossible.. And maybe he would not been able to beat everybody, he said it himself, he truly is the greatest boxer of all time. Why? He was so ringsmart, he was a beautifull dancer boxer, he had great speed, and was a true champ!
michaelyouth 5 months ago
@aitraining haters gonna hate.
aimalkhan123 4 months ago
@aitraining So wait, Joe Louis (who was knocked out in his prime by a "shot fighter" like Max Schmeling and almost lost the title to a puffed-up lightweight like Billy Conn) was "the Greatest"? And Ali's sparring partner Larry Holmes was "second"? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! But then again, aitraining is the same idiot who thinks Floyd Patterson was a "nobody" and that falling down when hit with a hard right hook is called "taking a dive." Please, aitraining, say out of "grown folks'" conversations.
HarryButtman2 3 months ago