@GreenBayBreyerFarm so? you have asked the horses and they told you they are fine with bits?! you just assume things! think reasonable and be sensible! try wearing a iron bit and then tell ME if you feel with something like that in your mouth. SHEEEEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also say this is just another version of the short-shank hackamor,which Ive used for years.Applies the same pressure.
The day that bits are banned for ever will be a great victory for the horse.There is no need for a horse to wear metal between his teeth to be "on the bit" as the highest of high dressage competitors always argue.
Put it HIGHER, damn it!!! >:((((( All what you get is hurting just another pair of important nerves under the nose bone which is cracking with a bridle sitting like this.
People are really stupid in their wish to LOOK better, ...
@fleur4198 Hey I am new at this horse thing and I would like to try an lg bridle with my horse but cant bring myself to paying 150 bucks for one. How high should the ring be on the nose of a horse? I sure dont want to cause any damage to my horse.
Hmm I don't think I would buy that bridle. They say bits are cruel, but they they say that you can clip the reins in such a way that a curb strap will put pressure on the chin groove and poll.... if I was going to use a bitless bridle I would choose one that causes no discomfort, anywhere on the face!
" Have a problem with you horse? Buy this over-priced, slightly different than what is cheep NEW piece of equipment and it will make your horse happy even if the problem is your lack of skill and education, and all your problems will be solved!!!!" "Never mind that all the riders in our demo video have been riding for decades and could train their horses with a piece of string, it realy is the equipment that makes it work!!!"
This is nothing more than a fancy sidepull.... western horseman and horsewomen use this a lot. You have not invented anything. Bits are not bad, the hands that use it can be.
i love this vid it makes me so happy to see all these different riders and horses using the LG bridle. You know what is the best horse and rider are happy comfortable and getting more in toutch with their bodies. I use a bozal with rope riens and she is so happy. By the way you totally can train a horse on a bitless bridle ive trained my appy on and my moms thoroughbred on a bozal. They are all happy and we don't feel like we are torturing our friends mouths.
Do you realize that the discomfort you would be putting in your horses mouth you are just transfering to their nose, which they have no fleshy tissue on? It dosn't take any less pressure to work a bosal than a bit, they are just less willing to argue with a bosal because the skin on the nose is less protected than the tongue, (which is a muscle)
jmdnarri, if you think that a bit only affects the tongue, then you are very misguided. A jointed bit works on the roof of the mouth, and the bars of the mouth, both of which are far more sensitive than the horse's face. You only have to see how many people who ride in bits also use cross over nosebands or drop nosebands to keep their horses' mouths shut, to see that the horse's discomfort is ignored.
Yes I am well aware that the tongue is not the ONLY thing affected by a bit. And if you think nosebands and open mouths are all about discomfort and pain in a horse's mouth you are lacking very much in your education of classical horsmanship, and equine bio-mechanics.
I would love to hear more about what causes horses to open their mouths when being ridden in a bit, if it is not to evade the bit and avoid the pain caused. You sound like you know what you're talking about, so I look forward to hearing more about that as you are quite right, I don't know much about classical horsemanship or bio-mechanics. I rely on reading the horse and judging what I see.
The foundation of classical training is asking a horse to move in balance and self carriage. (simplified) Once you get your horse moving from behind you ask them to soften to your hands and be lighter to the aids, doing this is more work for a horse that is not naturally talented, so they open their mouths to "ignore" the bit and not have to work as hard. A nose band makes their skull, jaw and bit act as one piece so they can relax their jaw and you can supple the poll.
@VivaLaVidaChica I agree with every point you have made, but you missed the fact that horses lean into pressure not pain. The context I used "MAKES" in is the same as how the girth MAKES the saddle stay on the horse. Do you do all your riding bareback?
I teach all my students the same concepts you are talking about, I can ride a second level dressage test with a string around my horses neck.
I am not calling bits necessary, but they are NOT inhumane. Skill, not equipment, trains horses.
Good point. Perhaps the horse world would be a better place if riders had to pass a test BEFORE they were allowed to invade their horses' mouths. Parelli believe that bits are for refinement, not control, and if the horse has the foundation and the rider has the skills first, then the bit should not be a problem. As you say, it all boils down to the people not having enough skill. Good on you for trying to change this and teach your students the right way.
@VivaLaVidaChica You said you don't know much about classical training, but you aparently do. The biggest difference between Natural Horsemanship and Classical training is that Classical focuses more on developing the horse's athletic potential. The same concepts of partnership, relaxation, and communication are key in Classical; where as force, pain, and mechanical manipulation are shunned. Look up "Nevzorov Haute Ecole" This is Classical Training
It is unfortunate that classical dressage riders are tarred with the same brush as the "normal" dressage riders, who use big bits and spurs, and rollkur to force horses into unnatural postures. The sooner the FEI and other governing bodies get the balls to outlaw that type of behaviour the better it will be for all horses.
@VivaLaVidaChica Yes bits CAN cause pain. I train my horses to reach out and take the slack out of the rein, once they are soft and taking contact they are reaching forward and voulintarily "shaking hands" with me (that is classical training), do you think a horse would do that if bits hurt them? A well made bit should be curved and smooth so that it dosn't jab their palate, and if bits hurt so much why do horses lean into them instead of avoiding the pressure?
Horses naturally push into pressure - that's what prey animals do. They have to be taught to "give" to and from pressure - this is what natural horsemanship is based on. Horses that are taught this on a rope halter understand it much better if they are eventually put in a bit. Through Natural Horsemanship I have seen softness that I have never seen before, horses working in rounded outlines and collected, being ridden with a string around their necks.
The benefits of Parelli training is obvious to many classically trained people now, Walter Zettl and Karen Rolfe to start with. Foundation before specialisation - the problems I see are often caused because the horses have no foundation before being asked to do advanced things. If a horse can't be ridden "freestyle" and carry itself, start, stop, and turn without using a bridle, i.e. learn to follow the rider's body, all that is done with the bit. THAT is why bits are misused so much.
oh skwtproductions, just another challenge to put to a bitless trainer - start a horse from scratch in a bitless, then send you the video showing no difference to a horse started with a bit... then you can eat those words you just wrote. But sadly I still dont think you'll be convinced!
i just tend to find it trick riding (showing the rear, not truly a levade, that horse is responding to bridge pressure, not true collection of the bit), not true dressage according to the training pyramid if the horse cannot accept the bit, as there is no bit to accept, just nose pressure and therefore their back is not truly round, etc, etc... it's good for hacking, but there is a reason dressage assc. don't allow this in competitions.
people talk about horses not being soft in the mouth and that a horse has to be "onthe bit". Horses only have hard bodies not hard mouths and "on the bit" just means they are soft and supple or soft and supple in the body. so a bit does nothing a bitless bridle or rope halter can't achieve.
i tend to prefer the bridle with the bit mainly because i have heard countless times that its acctually worse than normal bridles just becuase it puts too much pressure on sensitive places if you have contact or even pull on the reins. but i think the bitless bridles are better for more advanced riders maily because they ride with their seats and not their hands making the horse even more comfortable.
I agree with you when it comes to some bitless bridles, such as the Mechanical Hackamore or the Serrata, in the wrong hands these bridles can inflict injury and serious pain on the horse! However, if you check into the extensive research of Professor Dr. Cook, you will find that a mouth is most sensitive, and bits are causing discomfort, pain, and injuries to the horse. When using the LG bridle, you replace pain in the mouth with gentle pressure on the nose, chin and poll, not pain and injury!
I think you're right bits arent cruel especially ordinary snaffle bits
AmyLuvsHorses1 7 months ago
Uh, horses are perfectly fine with bits. I dont understand the need for these types of bridles...
GreenBayBreyerFarm 8 months ago
@GreenBayBreyerFarm Because some horses object to bits.
Eventer16 7 months ago
@GreenBayBreyerFarm so? you have asked the horses and they told you they are fine with bits?! you just assume things! think reasonable and be sensible! try wearing a iron bit and then tell ME if you feel with something like that in your mouth. SHEEEEESH!!!!!!!!!!!!
shairaptor 1 month ago
Congratz, you can use a halter just as well -.-
RWYHunterJumperDPSG 8 months ago
I also say this is just another version of the short-shank hackamor,which Ive used for years.Applies the same pressure.
The day that bits are banned for ever will be a great victory for the horse.There is no need for a horse to wear metal between his teeth to be "on the bit" as the highest of high dressage competitors always argue.
Go bitless!!!!!!!
Nessbenj 1 year ago
A+ for the bitless bridle! But F- for the spurs!! :o
Curiousonic 1 year ago
Put it HIGHER, damn it!!! >:((((( All what you get is hurting just another pair of important nerves under the nose bone which is cracking with a bridle sitting like this.
People are really stupid in their wish to LOOK better, ...
fleur4198 1 year ago
@fleur4198 Hey I am new at this horse thing and I would like to try an lg bridle with my horse but cant bring myself to paying 150 bucks for one. How high should the ring be on the nose of a horse? I sure dont want to cause any damage to my horse.
VandeVoorts8587 2 months ago
Hmm I don't think I would buy that bridle. They say bits are cruel, but they they say that you can clip the reins in such a way that a curb strap will put pressure on the chin groove and poll.... if I was going to use a bitless bridle I would choose one that causes no discomfort, anywhere on the face!
zhivana 1 year ago 2
why are you riding bitless if youre using spurs? arent those hurting the horse more than the bit is?
PrincessFamous 2 years ago
LOL
" Have a problem with you horse? Buy this over-priced, slightly different than what is cheep NEW piece of equipment and it will make your horse happy even if the problem is your lack of skill and education, and all your problems will be solved!!!!" "Never mind that all the riders in our demo video have been riding for decades and could train their horses with a piece of string, it realy is the equipment that makes it work!!!"
GEEZ I could get rich too!!!
jmdnarri 2 years ago
i love it !
mein pferd geht damit wie ne 1 ..
un es ist schon ein unterschied zwischen sidepull und LG !
das LG ist der einfacheee HAMMER !
ThePinkFluffy 2 years ago
=) So true!
obscuredmelody 2 years ago
They are $150 USD not GBP, but I understand price is a consideration. Unfortunately, I don't make the price...
cxxc13 2 years ago
@cxxc13
LOL I attached reins to the rings of a dropped noseband and it worked great! cost: about $40
jmdnarri 2 years ago
I would get one if they weren't £150!!!
DeathKitty123456 2 years ago
This is nothing more than a fancy sidepull.... western horseman and horsewomen use this a lot. You have not invented anything. Bits are not bad, the hands that use it can be.
saddlesforsale 2 years ago 7
i love this vid it makes me so happy to see all these different riders and horses using the LG bridle. You know what is the best horse and rider are happy comfortable and getting more in toutch with their bodies. I use a bozal with rope riens and she is so happy. By the way you totally can train a horse on a bitless bridle ive trained my appy on and my moms thoroughbred on a bozal. They are all happy and we don't feel like we are torturing our friends mouths.
biffybilliamson 2 years ago
Do you realize that the discomfort you would be putting in your horses mouth you are just transfering to their nose, which they have no fleshy tissue on? It dosn't take any less pressure to work a bosal than a bit, they are just less willing to argue with a bosal because the skin on the nose is less protected than the tongue, (which is a muscle)
jmdnarri 2 years ago
jmdnarri, if you think that a bit only affects the tongue, then you are very misguided. A jointed bit works on the roof of the mouth, and the bars of the mouth, both of which are far more sensitive than the horse's face. You only have to see how many people who ride in bits also use cross over nosebands or drop nosebands to keep their horses' mouths shut, to see that the horse's discomfort is ignored.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
@VivaLaVidaChica
Yes I am well aware that the tongue is not the ONLY thing affected by a bit. And if you think nosebands and open mouths are all about discomfort and pain in a horse's mouth you are lacking very much in your education of classical horsmanship, and equine bio-mechanics.
jmdnarri 2 years ago
I would love to hear more about what causes horses to open their mouths when being ridden in a bit, if it is not to evade the bit and avoid the pain caused. You sound like you know what you're talking about, so I look forward to hearing more about that as you are quite right, I don't know much about classical horsemanship or bio-mechanics. I rely on reading the horse and judging what I see.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
@VivaLaVidaChica
The foundation of classical training is asking a horse to move in balance and self carriage. (simplified) Once you get your horse moving from behind you ask them to soften to your hands and be lighter to the aids, doing this is more work for a horse that is not naturally talented, so they open their mouths to "ignore" the bit and not have to work as hard. A nose band makes their skull, jaw and bit act as one piece so they can relax their jaw and you can supple the poll.
jmdnarri 2 years ago
Aaah yes, there's that word "MAKES" - if you can remove that word from your horse training, the world is a much better place!
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
@VivaLaVidaChica I agree with every point you have made, but you missed the fact that horses lean into pressure not pain. The context I used "MAKES" in is the same as how the girth MAKES the saddle stay on the horse. Do you do all your riding bareback?
I teach all my students the same concepts you are talking about, I can ride a second level dressage test with a string around my horses neck.
I am not calling bits necessary, but they are NOT inhumane. Skill, not equipment, trains horses.
jmdnarri 2 years ago
Good point. Perhaps the horse world would be a better place if riders had to pass a test BEFORE they were allowed to invade their horses' mouths. Parelli believe that bits are for refinement, not control, and if the horse has the foundation and the rider has the skills first, then the bit should not be a problem. As you say, it all boils down to the people not having enough skill. Good on you for trying to change this and teach your students the right way.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
@VivaLaVidaChica You said you don't know much about classical training, but you aparently do. The biggest difference between Natural Horsemanship and Classical training is that Classical focuses more on developing the horse's athletic potential. The same concepts of partnership, relaxation, and communication are key in Classical; where as force, pain, and mechanical manipulation are shunned. Look up "Nevzorov Haute Ecole" This is Classical Training
jmdnarri 2 years ago
It is unfortunate that classical dressage riders are tarred with the same brush as the "normal" dressage riders, who use big bits and spurs, and rollkur to force horses into unnatural postures. The sooner the FEI and other governing bodies get the balls to outlaw that type of behaviour the better it will be for all horses.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
@VivaLaVidaChica Yes bits CAN cause pain. I train my horses to reach out and take the slack out of the rein, once they are soft and taking contact they are reaching forward and voulintarily "shaking hands" with me (that is classical training), do you think a horse would do that if bits hurt them? A well made bit should be curved and smooth so that it dosn't jab their palate, and if bits hurt so much why do horses lean into them instead of avoiding the pressure?
jmdnarri 2 years ago
Horses naturally push into pressure - that's what prey animals do. They have to be taught to "give" to and from pressure - this is what natural horsemanship is based on. Horses that are taught this on a rope halter understand it much better if they are eventually put in a bit. Through Natural Horsemanship I have seen softness that I have never seen before, horses working in rounded outlines and collected, being ridden with a string around their necks.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
The benefits of Parelli training is obvious to many classically trained people now, Walter Zettl and Karen Rolfe to start with. Foundation before specialisation - the problems I see are often caused because the horses have no foundation before being asked to do advanced things. If a horse can't be ridden "freestyle" and carry itself, start, stop, and turn without using a bridle, i.e. learn to follow the rider's body, all that is done with the bit. THAT is why bits are misused so much.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
erm, you can :P softness has nothing to do with bits or halters, it's all about communication. It shouldn't matter what is on your horses head.
Ntrlhrsgrl 3 years ago 11
oh skwtproductions, just another challenge to put to a bitless trainer - start a horse from scratch in a bitless, then send you the video showing no difference to a horse started with a bit... then you can eat those words you just wrote. But sadly I still dont think you'll be convinced!
nicas83 3 years ago
i just tend to find it trick riding (showing the rear, not truly a levade, that horse is responding to bridge pressure, not true collection of the bit), not true dressage according to the training pyramid if the horse cannot accept the bit, as there is no bit to accept, just nose pressure and therefore their back is not truly round, etc, etc... it's good for hacking, but there is a reason dressage assc. don't allow this in competitions.
varemaerke 3 years ago
people talk about horses not being soft in the mouth and that a horse has to be "onthe bit". Horses only have hard bodies not hard mouths and "on the bit" just means they are soft and supple or soft and supple in the body. so a bit does nothing a bitless bridle or rope halter can't achieve.
armywife1018 3 years ago 2
i tend to prefer the bridle with the bit mainly because i have heard countless times that its acctually worse than normal bridles just becuase it puts too much pressure on sensitive places if you have contact or even pull on the reins. but i think the bitless bridles are better for more advanced riders maily because they ride with their seats and not their hands making the horse even more comfortable.
Jamberine 3 years ago
I agree with you when it comes to some bitless bridles, such as the Mechanical Hackamore or the Serrata, in the wrong hands these bridles can inflict injury and serious pain on the horse! However, if you check into the extensive research of Professor Dr. Cook, you will find that a mouth is most sensitive, and bits are causing discomfort, pain, and injuries to the horse. When using the LG bridle, you replace pain in the mouth with gentle pressure on the nose, chin and poll, not pain and injury!
cxxc13 3 years ago
thanks! ill look into that. my horse is very soft so i dont really even need to use my hands at all. i just need to get out of the habit i guess...
Jamberine 3 years ago
Interesting design. I'll check it out on the main site. Nice vid! : )
mynameisxena 4 years ago