The best way to practice polygamy is by having everyone get what they want rather than going by what OTHERS are telling them they should want. If it so happens that a wife wants other wives and not other husbands, then she is not looking for lovers, she wants to either 'share' her relationship or she wants sex with other women, as well.
My issue with #3 is that it confuses a 'right' w/ action. I have the right to kill someone if they break into my house but that doesn't mean that I have to. I can just shoot them in the leg. In poly the rights should not be individual since a relationship is based on TWO or more people and not just ONE person. If you want to go off adding another spouse to your poly without 1st asking your current partner then it's likely you're going to find that other partner leaving.
Whereas, in the past, you would never hear about gay marriage, well now we have it. So that also opens the door to same-sex and bisexual polygamy. Then there's also polyamory crowd which is where you'll find them engaging in multiple parter NON-marital relationships whether it be multiple boyfriends or gfs. And of course there's plenty of bisexual activity in those crowds. So polygamy in our culture will very likely be practiced in many forms, that is, if it's ever legalized.
You also mention not hearing about polygyny turning into polyandry or polygynandry in history. I'd say that's because many cultures back then were highly patriarchal. Even the United States used to be until women started fighting for equality. The reason I believe you will see ALL forms of polygamy in American culture is because of our equal opportunity between men and women and our more open sexuality. cont'd
It's also possible for some poly relationships to start off as polygyny and then later turn into polygynandry (polygamy with both multiple husbands and wives).
Do you mean polygyny here as in the conviction that only males are allowed to have multiple female partners? If not, it is just a polygamy turning into a polygamy, no changes really. :D
I think you were asking about my comment about polygyny turning into polygynandry. The definition of polygamy is not based on just a conviction but the actual act or state of being married to multiple people. So while a polygynous couple may be open to having multiple husbands if they wanted to, but that doesn't mean they have to or will do it. And being allowed to do it, that alone, does not turn polygyny into something else until more partners are added.
Yes, unless you are a Christian or believe in the existence of the biblical God, then #3 is unfair. That's not always a part of the definition based on the dictionaries I've looked at. The only issue I have with #3 is that it doesn't take into account women's choices to want other wives and not other husbands. Once you do that, then you're defeating the purpose of CONSENT of ALL adults for adult consensual polygamy.
So you believe #3 IS fair if you are christian or believe in a biblical god!? I don't think that is a good enough excuse, besides, there are lots of christians that are not conservative, and there are lots of conservatives that aren't christians, and other "gods" that can also be interpreted to say "unfair is fair". What do you mean you have issue with #3? As it stands, or my definition of it? No matter what they actually want, all should have the right... maybe even be encouraged!
If the Christian God actually exists, and he sets morals, then yes, going by his plan your #3 point done in a CONSENSUAL way is fair. Unless you can show for sure that he doesn't exist, then it's not really an excuse, it would indeed be the standard for all humans to follow. I understand that there are different standards/beliefs out there and since this area (God's existence) is largely unproven, that's why I'm speaking in a hypothetical way.
On a previous comment, IExposeMormonism said, "And polygamy, however you conceive it , should be illegal too. Society as whole is threatened by such arrangements. " Please explain how is society threatened by UNforced or consensual polygamy? From my experience, most of the issues raised against polygamy are fixable, just as we would fix problems in monogamous relationships. It doesn't take banning the practice altogether.
@PolyPride3 You are an odd one. The primary function of Mormon polygamy is to obtain control over it's minions and the doctrine itself proclaims authority over non Mormons as well. D&C132 nullifies All non Mormon marriages and contracts, defines innocent blood and threatens wives with death for non compliance. Polygamy isn't what you think it is, it's what D&C132 proclaims. Neither is it revlavent what what other Mormons do. D&C132 is the real threat against all Christians and against the world
I am odd because it seems you have reduced polygamy to Mormonism. ARe you aware that polygamy was not invented by the Mormons and existed before Joseph Smith ever existed? Please expand your knowledge of polygamy beyond Mormon Scriptures if you really intend on understand all of the DIVERSE ways that it has been practiced (including as POLYANDRY) and how it can work. I encourage you to before you go on DICTATING to every single person to stay out of it.
@PolyPride3 You post on Mormon polygamy videos. know your subject. Mormon polygamy is what I have described. Homosexual polygamy/marriages will obtain first in law and then Mormon polygamy will obtain. How could anyone deny Mormon their religious rights after granting marriage rights to homosexuals... So get ready for it and enjoy it. Either are the swan song of civilization. Make that a buzzards song
I post on Mormon poly videos because they make up the majority of videos on polygamy. Most of the polygamy practitioners in the U.S. are Mormons. I try to expose stereotypes and show that there are SOME Mormons who practice polygamy in a good way. But that's just a start off point, I also try to go beyond just those Mormons and show that others want poly as well and I show some of the good ways it can be practiced by answering objections, exposing double standards, etc
Maybe it really means "polygyny"? If a big group voluntarily does something immoral (like not allowing females multiple spouses), it can have negative impact.
Polygyny can be about not allowing women to have multiple husbands but that's not always the case. I say that because there's a difference between not allowing and not wanting based on choice. In other words, it's not that the women aren't allowed to have multiple husbands, it's just that they don't want it. There's nothing immoral about living out poly based on choice.
I don't know for sure, but I have no reason not to believe that it isn't so: There are strong convictions and beliefs that only men are allowed to have multiple female partners. That is wrong. Growing up with that, you might accept it, and, because of that, not even want it otherwise. Like being brainwashed. It is harder to say what is morally wrong about that than downright use of force or denial. It is not even trickery, per se, but I do believe there are some immoral aspects with
...it. In a natural selection of people, there would be, if freedom was there, maybe tendencies of one sided polygyny, but also every now and then a polyandrous, or even a polygynandrous union. I doubt there are, I have never heard of any from these cultures.
It doesn't really matter what gender you are when you do something immoral. If women (individuals) are part of the ones denying women (in general) to have other partners, it doesn't make it right.
It should not be a surprised that there are Mormons that don't practice EVERY SINGLE word written about their faith, because you have the Mainstream Mormons who don't even practice polygamy at all. You have STRICT FLDS who try to maintain everything, and you have those in the middle, the 'independent or progressive" Mormons who practice with some strict standards but are still more open to not practicing everything as is written. All religions have people and this varying level of adherence
Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.
The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, written by Thomas Jefferson and the Marquis de Lafayette.
You mention one man can't single-handedly support many wives and children. I'll mention again, it's not about the man doing everything nor does polygamy have to involve having lots of wives and kids. And let me ask, why don't you think the wives don't contribute financially to the relationship by going to work themselves including helping to raise the kids?
You mention one man can't single-handedly support many wives and children. I'll mention again, it's not about the man doing everything nor does polygamy have to involve having lots of wives and kids. And let me ask, why don't you think the wives don't contribute financially to the relationship by going to work themselves including helping to raise the kids?
Polygamy is about MALE ego. They are greedy and want OTHER Mens share.
Way to deflect it to the age old male trick to make male greed and lust look like a womans fault.
btw. turn tables do YOU want to live with a woman who has 5 (FIVE) husbands?
When you can sincerely say YES imagining all the consequences. Like YOU have to do the housework and raise children and get 1/5th of the time from your wife - come back and post!
Polygyny is about male ego. Polygamy is about love.
I'd love to live with a woman, even if that woman had 5 husbands, yes. I think I'd be a good polyandrous husband if there weren't so many other cute goddesses :D I'm a hardcore polyGAMIST, believing everyone should have the right and privilege of having several partners.
And the MAJORITY of young girls, young women are FORCED into polygamy.
Brainwashing techniques in Polygamous cults is highly effective to destroy a girls, womans worth and FORCE her to believe she is a mans property and that he won't get to heaven without having many wives.
Young girls are trafficked over borders to make "wives" for old leechy men.
Do you know WHY Warren Jeffs (POLY leader) is in PRISON?
Real young girls womens lives are destroyed by polygamy.
@barb554 Im so sick of that dumbass argument "its all about lust and greedy sex". NEWS FLASH: Men are already sleeping with god knows how many other women. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. Whether we legalize it or we dont. PPL in 1on 1 relationships make up 99 % of cheating and adultery. Consequently we are passing around STD's like dollar bills. There is sooooo many women in polygamous relationships that couldnt be happier. But i dnt expect u out of line braods to say anything about that.
Who the fuck do ppl think they are telling me who i can or cant marry. So gay ppl which forces women to be lesbians can get married and raise a children in that sick ass environment, but i cant have another wife. BULLSHIT
@Petfal If all men turn gay then who will the women be with ? ANOTHER WOMAN U DUMBASS !! A Woman is not capable of running a household with multiple husbands. If a fight breaks out AND IT WILL between the men wtf is she gonna do besides yell stop stop stop. GET REAL
That's a really big if. I think a smaller if is if all women turn gay. But if men somehow turned gay, I doubt women would be forced to be gay, too. I don't think that is how it works.
Why does the woman have to be the one running the household? Why does anybody? Couldn't it be a collective thing? As long as you are not being an ass, you can avoid fights. I am a living
@Petfal 1: They WILL fight, and women are NOT physically strong enough to get between grown-ass muscular men & put a stop to that shit. Men fight if someone looks at us the wrong way, cuts us off in traffic, steps on our shoes...we fight over any and everything ALL THE TIME! So you mean to tell me when it comes to our wife, we will NOT fight?! STFU...
So why do not I fight? I happen to dig female bodybuilders, but (unfortunately) none of my girlfriends are, and I could probably overpower them easily, but why would I want to? Some men are actually somewhat mature. Maybe you and I would fight if we had the same wife :D
@Petfal 2: Polygamy is a logical solution to solving the mathematical problem/ratio of men to women. It is/was ran smoothly by EVERY race on EVERY continent and is advocated by EVERY religion before you good-for-nothing, faggot-producing, gender-role-reversing, men-hating, lesbians & feminists made it a taboo. If more men become gay, it FORCES more women to be ALONE, with another WOMAN, or grab hold of a dog or horse penis.
Now we're talking! I agree, polygamy is a logical solution. Monogamy only works when the ratio is more or less 1:1 (not considering homo- and biphilia)... which it is. Polyandry and polygyny only works when there is 1: >1, but polygamy works whatever the ratio is. No one is a bigger advocate for polygamy than me, trust me. I hate monogamy, and if you want marriages/relationships to contain only one man, then you are a monogamist to me.
Just because we don't hate women doesn't mean we hate men. I do not deny the chance that some people can become homophile, either by choice or not, but most homophiles ARE homophiles. If you say all homophiles CHOOSE to be homophiles, I would have to ask you to prove it to me by choosing to be one yourself.
I think human societies can live with either polygamy or monogamy. Different societies usually have wide and contrasting beliefs and opinions about this. I see nothing wrong with having multiple partners myself. If you prefer monogamy then good for you.
The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution is supposed to guarantee freedom of religion and freedom of association. This means the following things. Government has no place in the Mormon faith or any other faith. Marriage is a religious sacrament so marriage licenses are unconstitutional. Freedom of association means that We The People choose who we want in our lives, not government.
Polygamy is not about the man doing everything nor is monogamy like that. Also, polygamy does not equal Mormons since anyone whether Mormon or non-Mormon can be in polygamy. Thanks to the media, people don't consider that. It's up to ALL of the adults in the relationship to love their children and provide support for them and themselves. I'm also against polygamists who have too many kids just as I am against SINGLE people and monogamous people who have too many kids.
Polygamous cults are the prototype of the REAL consequences of polygamy.
OLDER MEN with power play the people as pawns. With young girls groomed to accept abohorent disgusting old men wanting 4 - 5 or 20 women for themselves.
While the younger men with less power will either get BOOTED out or ostracized or become drone workers for the MAN who has it all.
In isolated polygamous "families", the power plays run different and according to the amounts of SECRECY and game playing.
If POLYGAMY was acceptable then WOMEN in general would LIKE It and agree on a large scale. 99.9% of the FEMALE population thinks, believes and JUDGES that polygamy is WRONG and DIGUSTING and harmful for women and children. As do majority of men feel the same way.
No man kids anyone about the real reasons for polygamy and it is wrong, twisted and HURTS other peoples LIVES!
Wanting to bonk many women and male ego pride GREEDY LUSTpushes a man to want MORE than one wife.
@barb554 Wth women outnumbering the men U will have to share anyway. And the ONLY reason SOME bad things happen in a FEW polygamous relationships is b/c it has been pushed into the criminal underworld by selfish bitches like u.
All you talk about is the man as if the man is the only part of the relationship. Yes, a man can't give the amount of attention to his wiveS as he would in monogamy with ONE wife but then poly is not just about husband-to-wife romantic/sexual interaction like in monogamy. That's why ideally if the women also wanted poly and had a say in choosing COMPATIBLE women to her and her husband, then it can be a wife getting attention and relationship satisfaction from the other wives.
You mention 1 man can't be play a father role to children of MANY wives. Poly does not have to involve having many wives, it can be TWO wives, at least. Poly also does not have to involve having lots of children. I'm not sure if you're talking about treating all children fairly but if they're all living in one house, and there aren't that many kids then he can give his kids enough attention. Although where he can't then the 2, 3, or 4 motherS could step in.
That's not up to you to decide, really. If some people want to try that, they should be allowed. I just don't like any system that says someone is not allowed to have several spouses. Monogamy and polygyny are like that. Polygamy do not say that, so it is a very good system. It seems you are talking about polygyny.
@RatedRepublican Polygamy doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Mormons have their own special definition of Polygamy. It "nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts", defines innocent blood and threatens wives with death for non compliance. And more. These definitions led directly to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. It is immoral and should be illegal. And polygamy, however you conceive it , should be illegal too. Society as whole is threatened by such arrangements.
Eh... no? Polygamy means plural marriage... It is a nice thing, but yes, stupid, conservative, misanthropic people sometimes abuse it. Just like a hammer, a good tool, but not so cool if you use it to bludgeon a person.
@Petfal I posted the Mormon polygamy revelation, read it. It's not just about polygamy, it "nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts" defines innocent blood and threatens wives with death for non compliance. Its' directly responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre, one of the fruits of Mormonism
Yes, it's about not just polygamy. They do a lot of crazy stuff, and they also practice polygyny (which I think is wrong). I agree with all you say in your earlier post, except that polygamy should be illegal, but seing as you speak about polygyny, I DO agree in everything! :D
@Petfal I just hate the sound of the word polygyny. It's like eating liver or baby beef brains, gives me the dry heaves. Maybe it's a past life experience.....but strictly speaking that's true. Mormons then obscure all of the subject by calling it celestial marriage. That's as disingenuous as Hillary Clinton commenting on Gaddafi's death "We came we saw he died" Joe did the same thing we marriage.
I too hate the word "polygyny", and the concept. It has both monogamy and unfairness towards women. I like polygamy, and I try to make people aware of the distinction between "polygyny" and "polygamy" :D
There are many Scriptures in Mormonism like Doctrine & Covenants section 132. In section 132, it refers to polygamy as attaining the HIGHEST blessings as opposed to those who just practice monogamy as attaining the LESSER blessings. So apparently, monogamy is not a sin or damnation. To be fair, there are progressive Mormons out there who don't practice polygamy out of MANDATE and they also raise their kids to be open to monogamy and polygamy, and some have chosen monogamy.
As I see it, monogamy is on the way from polygyny to polygamy. You cannot engage in polygamy until you are ready and have learned what you need in monogamy, so it doesn't make any sense to make it a sin. I agree. You do not "choose" monogamy, you realise this is as the best you are ready for yet :D
Polygamy is not a Mormon invention or something that only Mormons can practice. I know non-Mormons Christians who practice polygamy and it isn't because of some doctrine that tells them that they have to practice it. In fact, if polygamy weren't illegal, more people (religious or otherwise) would be willing to practice it but we'll have to wait until that time. Polygamy is not wrong either although I'm not sure what the basis of your moaral standards are.
polygamy is not what You call it. Mormon polygamy is very special:: It nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts! Defines innocent blood.Threatens his wife with murder,and thus by extension you. The proof of this is at The Mountain Meadows Massacre. For 150 yrs the Morg' has blamed the Indians and the victims for a crime MORMONS committed using, in part, their Polygamy Revelation and the OATHS of the Endowment Ceremony as "cause" for mass ritual murder. Homosexual marriage is wrong,too
@Petfal You're confused on what I'm commenting on? The word polygamy is accurate and has been used from the beginning to discuss Mormonism. And it is wrong and Mormon polygamy is violent. Homosexual marriage is a moral outrage and is not a right. it's a perversion.
"Polygamy" means plural marriage. "Polygyny" means plural wives. Feel free to correct me, but to my knowledge, FLDS mormons only practice polyGYNY in this day. In the beginning, Joseph Smith married lots of women, also some that were already married, so that women might have several husbands. This has changed now, so "polygyny" is more precise. "Polygamy" is not wrong, since polygyny is a subcategory of it, but saying it is "marriage", or "someting" is also correct,
but not very precise. I am trying to legalize polygamy, making people see it is not such a bad thing, but then I have to make people not confuse it with polygyny. Polygyny is wrong, because it limits the number of men to one, and and it gives men a privilege and withholds this from women. Monogamy limits the love a little more, but is at least fair, but polygamy is the only perfect type of marriage. Homophiles are people, too, and it is very absurd to deny them equal rights.
I'm not confused,you just don't say it,so it is not known.The word "polygamy" means multiple marriage.Mormon polygyny is a kind of polygamy,it is correct to call it that,but not very precise.In the beginning,Joseph Smith actually married some women that were already married,so it wasn't pure polygyny then.
Some people believe having a different skin color is wrong, but I say homophiles and blacks, for instance, are just as good people as you and me. Being black doesn't hurt any
@Petfal Polygamy is still accurate, I understand, polygamy covers the subject just fine. Yep, Joe married lots of married women, Mormonism has a kind of built in passive form of polyandry, where males can force females into marriages with other men. Women can't just 'get another husband', it has to come from a male in the form of a compulsion, an order to marry Mr X. And Most Mormon polygamy came from a male in the hierarchy, you don't just decide to do it, it's compelled on you
Polygamy is not accurate when used about polygyny. It is like calling trouts "fish". It's true, trouts are fish, but a fish expert would be frustrated with the inaccuracy.
Of course, the polygamy wasn't done in a good way, but it WAS polygamy, true polygamy, not just polygny, and just that gives it a little plus in my book.
ummmm ok so if its such a good and honerable life choice y do u hide it ........jijijijijijijijijiji................ just asking we already know the answer
So a person can resolve jealousy in a multiple partner setting, although I'm not advocating to do it to the point of allowing swinging or giving your wife up to some guest as some Eskimo groups do. Or maybe the jealousy is not even at a level to where it would affect the relationship in a bad way, so in any case even if a woman can't resolve the jealousy 'totally', as long as she still enjoys the relationship then let the woman be.
If the wife not only sees her husband with another wife but also CHOOSEs the lifestyle, don't you think she should resolve her jealousy? She could either leave the relationship - work on resolving the jealousy even with professional counseling if needed - or maybe the jealousy is not so bad to where she feels like she has to leave the relationship. For example, some swingers don't experience jealousy for their partner as long as the swinging is KNOWN about by both.
Sure people get jealous but why don't you consider that there's a such thing as good and bad jealousy, and that unhealthy jealousy should be worked on and resolved? If some guy gets jealous at his girl saying that another guy looks good, does that mean that guy's jealousy is right? Why don't you think jealousy should be worked on when it's bad jealousy? cont'd
One thing I agree with you on is that marriage is for TWO people. That's why Biblical polygamy was and is practiced as PLURAL (more than one marriage). If a man wanted a 2nd wife, he would have to start a 2nd and separate marriage from his first one. This is to keep in line with the Biblical standard, at least. Although, the 2 marriages would at times feel like one big marriage when everyone is living under the same roof and are all working together - nothing wrong with that.
For your question to me, I could if I wanted to but no I don't want to. You're forgetting that polygamy should be about choice and not forcing someone into it. That applies to BOTH the husband wanting multiple wives or the wife wanting multiple husbands.
If the poly wives adapt their jealousy and standards (similar to that of swingers although not going as far) and not view their partners as threats then they can change their behavioral or jealousy responses enough to work well in a polygamous relationship. Your comment would not even apply much to wives who are bisexual or same-sex polygamy.
Secondly, jealousy can be a problem in polygamy just as in monogamy, but why don't you think it's a problem that can be worked to manage or fix it? Jealousy is in part a socially instilled by our culture, upbringing, and beliefs, etc. Eskimos don't experience jealousy when they lend their wives to some guests. Swingers experience little to no jealousy when they lend their wives. I'm not saying become an Eskimo or a Swinger but nonetheless we're all human.
Honestly I think jealousy will be an issue but even in monogamous relationship jealousy is an issue. A husband and wife dont concern themselves with the jealousy of the siblings they will give birth too. The more children they have the more jealousy there will be. But parents dont concern themsleves with that because the choice is not up to the children. Same with having multiple wives. There will be jealousy but they can overcome it and it should not be a reason to avoid polygamy.
Most of the time, you do not make any sense. Jealousy does exist in some marriages, but MAN oh MAN times that by how many wives and right in FRONT of their faces? Are you blind or just playing ignorant or somehow brainwashed or somehow do NOT see women as real people?
You bring up jealousy in polygamy : (. There is a bit of difference than other types of jealousy in relationships because ideally in polygamy, EVERYONE KNOWS about the multiple spouses and CHOOSE it. And if they can't handle it they can also CHOOSE to get out of it. That's not as bad as a husband who 'secretly' sleeps with a woman other than his wife, LiES to his wife about it which also means his wife never CHOSE or agreed with her husband's relations with the other woman.
Factor that into a modern day progressive polygamous family, where everyone works, so your question about how a man can take care of all his wives is pointless in this case. If all of the spouses are working then they not only can take care of themselves but also combine their income and take care of each other. I can kinda see this increasing women's independence in a marriage since she's not bogged down with the common household roles since she has an extra person.
You fail to consider that polygamy can be practiced many different ways, including ways that don't have anything to do with what you're saying. Monogamy can and has also been practiced in abusive ways as well, should we ban monogamy? hmmm.
Also consider we're not in ancient days anymore. Back then wives may have been 100% dependent on the husband, but that's not the case nowadays since women can have jobs, EDUCATION, etc. cont'd
If you read your bible please note that the punishment for adultery was for the adulterers to be killed. Why did God never requests that for polygamists in the Bible? Instead we find several places where God mentions instructions on how to manage a polygamous relationship rather than telling them to die. Adultery in the Bible is sex outside of marriage, and polygamy is all about marriage.
UM GOD of the OT? or what does JESUS say? Jesus says to NOT divorce ones wife and to NOT look at another woman with lust in ones eyes.
JESUS is GOD, and the God of the OT had men doing heinious things to women and children, so don't even refer to the rules and laws of ancient bronze age, iron age men. Because Jesus says that was only allowed because men were too STUBBORN.
Did you know that in the new testament that wives are supposed to submit to their husbands in all things which basically makes them slaves to their husbands. Also it said that solomon had to many wives because he could not provide duty of marriage to all of his wives.
Exod.21
[10] If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
But....guess what we live in the 21st century. We have modern homes, know better to not STONE people to death and we know that having more than one spouse is wrong and ignorant and ABUSIVE and WRONG for the women and children.
If your early upbringing told you nothing but that type of immorality and tries to justify it, that is sad.
But it is NOT right and not what Jesus wants. But it does not mean women or children in these situations are bad, they are only being duped.
How can you equate polygamy with abuse? That is like saying I just got mugged by a white guy so all white guys are criminals. That is just ignorant. It is your upbringing that told you it was ok to judge polygamous families so you can poor out your hate on something other then yourself. It is you who are brainwashed to hate everything that is different to you. If jesus thought that polygamy was evil I doubt he would have used polygamy are a example for the ten virgin parable.
You cant just say that polygamy is a form of abuse. Where is your Proof? Anything you show me I can say the same thing about monogamous relationships. I dont care how many people believe that it is abuse. fourty years ago people thought that all blacks were retarded That didnt make them right. Your arguement about not giveing your first wife enough attention could be used for children also. and if we followed that logic the humans would die out due to having one child per family.
Oh and I do not hate these people or things different from me.
I hate those who brainwash and form cults so that INDIVIDUALS have no choice, especially CHILDREN.
Why are you so defensive of a MAN getting to have SEX with as many women as he wants and not in accordance with the law?
It has also been shown that MANY of these polygamists families are LEECHING off AMERICAN tax payers dollars. How does ONE man have many wives and children, feed, cloth, and EDUCATE them?
ONE MAN? how can he pay attention, meet the needs and nurturing of one wife and children? NOT MANY NORTH AMERICAN men live up to one wife and children, let along many.
So there are a lot of LIES about this way of life. There are jealousies and resentments and a form of abuse or control that NOT many people comphrehend.
The way a man can have that many children and feed and cloth them is to have your wives have jobs. not every polygamous family is on welfare.
And that man can not have sex with as many women as he wants... He can have sex with every woman he commits too. As for the laws of the land. The law states it is illeagal for a man to have more then one legal wife. So if I am leagally married to one and the rest are just women that live with me I am not breaking the law.
So then the prayer that jesus says in John 17 only applies to me since you cant be one spirit with him since I already am.
21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Only the man can divorce his wife for fornication for only the woman is bound to the husband forever.
What Jesus says about the Holy Spirit is For ALL men and women.
What Jesus says about DIVORCE had to do with a MALE system where women were PROPERTY and Jesus said DON"T do that anymore! It starts with the first divorce for the OT men and Jesus said NO MORE< ERGO that meant he could not divorce and NOT take another woman.
Dude. We are all one spirit with christ why cant a man be one flesh with all of his wives. There is no where in scripture that says that jesus disallowed polygamy in fact he used polygamy as a example for his parable the ten virgins
As concerning verse 11 So if I didnt divorce my first wife and then married another then I would be fine right. because it sounds like the problem in that verse is the divorce issue not the more then one wife issue.
Yeah but that was in refrence divorce where it says that only the man can divorce for the Cause of fornication not a woman.
Matt.5
[32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Only the woman is held accountable to divorce because a man can have multiple wives. For only the woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives.
What do you have to say to men like Blackmore up in Canada, trafficking young underage girls to be in his harem?
See, it is ABUSE of the vulnerable that we worry about. So if you are older and wiser you would see that it is against the worth and rights of GIRLS or brainwashing vulnerable people - that get caught in polygamous circles.
Sorry, we want Blackmore and his ilk in jail. He is an evil ignorant greedy pedophile!
Polygamy is so ripe for abuse of youth/women why do we even have to explain it?
It will NEVER be legalized and it is a sorry sad situation for ANYONE to promote legalization of pedophilia or harems for male lusts. Women or young girls are brainwashed, poorly educated or has come from abuse in her history to think it is remotely healthy or normal.
It is wrong, illegal, immoral in society and the eyes OF JESUS!
anyone of these statements could be made about you. Monogamy is ripe with abuse of youth and women and like you I dont have to explian why.
And to equate legalizing polygamy with the legalizing of rape and pedophilia Is utter ignorance and hate mongering. It is you who are brainwashed and poorly educated and has come from a hate filled family if you feel the need to lash out at an entire people you have proven to know nothing about.
Are you saying that abuse is unheard of in monogamous relationships? That sounds naive to me. Evil people are every where. Evil monogamous and polygamous people. If fact there are far more abusive monogamous relationships then polygamous relationships. Do you want to know why? Because there are more monogamous relationships. The ratio is the same. There are Good people and evil people and all you are doing is spreading hate and fear and I pity you.
What are you evenm talking about. Either you follow JESUS or NOT. Jesus said those things. But you guys pound that bible over peoples heads to justify having lots of SEX with women.
It has NOTHING to do with their wombs. To reduce a woman (women) to their wombs. What a horrible thing to reduce women to their body parts or their ability to procreate as if they are good for nothing else.
The population stats say that equal numbers of men and women are born, very little disparity, so there are enough MEN for enough WOMEN.
I have not made any claims about monogamy or isolating the environment for abuse.
The men written about in media who have issues can be from monogmous, plural or single relationships. This has to do with the promotion of ONE man having many wives.
That is wrong. WE ALL know it is, yet you guys continue to promote it.
I am not judging the women who are in this today, nor their children. They have been led (or misled) to believe they are doing the right thing.
It is a perverted ancient patriarchal concept and has NOTHING to do with modern humans.
Go live in the desert, do not eat pork or shellfish and follow ALL the other things in the OT if you believe it was all hunky dory fine back then and everything is allowed.
We live in the 21st century not in biblical times. Jesus Condemned that practice!
That is awesome I am glad that you brought this statistic up. It is true there are equal numbers of both men and women. Which is why polygamy is awesome. This way women dont have to settle for the abusive a--hole she can marry a man who has already proven to be a great husband and father. and this way all of the a--holes will be without women and that is the way it should be. In polygamy women dont have to settle they can get the perfect Guy even if he is already married.
Why is it all about sex for you? If a woman can love multiple children with equal intensity then why cant a man love his wives with equal intensity Just as jesus loves each member of the church with equal intensity. Yes there is are many benifits to having multiple wives and one of those benefits is haveing more children but no one said it is all about sex. It looks like you are the one that has been brainwashed. Not us.
Wow, your logic is twisted. If a woman can love one man, why can't she then love many men. Turn tables. YOU be in a harem and have one wife and be one of her many husbands.
A man can love women with EQUAL intensity? maybe in his lusts, but NOT in his time or nurturing of that woman. See that is where ALL of your arguments FAIL miserably it is ALL about the MAN and NOT in the least about the women.
The women are HIS servants plain and simple.
That is slavery, greed, lust plain and simple.
If people are caught in this lifestyle and brainwashed into it, we feel for them and hope they can find a good life, but do NOT promote legal slavery!
I think that pediaphiles and abusers should go to jail regaurdless of their lifestyle choice. But you can not group together every polygamous person into a group and call them evil. To do that would make King David evil.
2Sam.12
[8] ...and thy master's wives into thy bosom, ... and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
King David was evil in the esteem if he was living today.
The men of the OT, many were ignorant, abusive, violent and even some of the women, killing off other sons or plotting against other women (in the harems) sons.
It was an account (many, many accounts, some told orally and translated many ways and times) of the bronze, iron age men trying to figure out nature and God.
The NT on the other hand is 2000 years old culturally, but Jesus has wise words.
So just because King David or Solomon had many wives and killed other people, that means it is o.k. for you guys to have lots of women and sex?
NOPE< Jesus overturned all that and you mean distort the bible to your own selfish needs.
ONE man ONE woman. You men are being greedy and selfish and NOT at all considering that a woman is an individual with her own soul journey and body, mind and soul and should not be a commodity or property or baby maker.
Marriage is for two people to share, enjoy and be commited to each other in trials and tribulations and joys. You are depriviing women and the children.
Actually adultery is specifically a man sleeping with another mans wife or a woman sleeping with a man other then her husband. Neither of definitions negate polygamy.
So as long as the Guy only marries virgins, widows and put away women He doesnt commit adultery. The woman however is bound to her husband till he dies. but that still doesnt limit how many wives he can have.
Sorry, polygamy is adultury multiplied how many times for how many mistresses.
That is the truth.
So it is adultery. Having sex with ONE woman at a time is what you are talking about and not amount of semantics takes away that he then has SEX with another woman on another night of the week. It is all adultery as soon as he has sex with anyone other than the FIRST woman he married.
I have no problem if women want ot fullfil a mans fantacy, as if there is a shortage of men. The problem I have is they creat huge families they can not afford, them BLEED THE BEAST, for support, apply separately for every gov welfare progam.cheat the tax payer. Studies have shown that for every 1 dollar in taxes they pay, they take in 8 dollars. This makes them a parasite on this country, and a burden on the communities around them, and there attitude is they deserve us paying for there kids.
You mention kids but of course not all who participate in poly lifestlyes have kids. To be honest, I'm only advocating for polygamy which is about a STABLE relationship, marriage. No one is sleeping around with just anyone, since the husband can only be with his 2 wives or sometimes more. Polygamy if practiced with consent is NOT dangerous, because there are families who enjoy it, so please don't judge, based on your personal standard.
You can defy all you want but that doesn't mean that its not possible for someone to enjoy having multiple partners and to have everyone be okay with it. Perhaps most poly people, polygamists, swingers, polyamorists have jealousy but for some it's not a problem but happens occasionally or rarely, especially when they are enjoying the relationship. Jealousy does not effect everyone the same way or not everyone has the same level of jealousy in a given situation so it is not a problem for all.
Having multiple lovers is dangerous territory for some, but there are those who can handle it like some who are in polygamous families today, swingers, polyamorous people, bisexuals, etc. First thing we need to do is get over our "cultrual bias" that monogamous relationships are for everyone and more psychologists. As far as I see, as long as someone is not being overwhelmed by jealousy or have a jealousy problem, and they WANT or choose polygamy, then the relationships can work out just fine.
I defy anyone who really can handle it. Even these women are keeping secrets, have to share one person and they do have jealousies. AND THE KIDS ? WOW, LETS SCREW WITH THEIR MINDS REAL GOOD.
Sorry, never right, never o.k. and JESUS did not condone it. IT IS SELFISH, GREEDY LUSTFULNESS FOR ONE MAN AND HE BRINGS THE WOMEN INTO THAT SIN. GLUTTONY AND LUST AND GREED. 3 DEADLY SINS RIGHT THERE!!!
It is dangerous territory for all of them. There is no justification. It is inherited from a former lifestyle or religion or indoctrination and it is always wrong, never right.
Those immersed in it don't know better? or are caught as children?
Sorry, the people already in it - hope they get help or see, but it is not our call now, they already did this and it will have consequences.
We pray for them. But good god don't encourage other people to head into body, mind and soul sinning.
Polygyny is a term used to describe polygamy. Polandry is the term for having more than one spouse, but more likely used for women who have more than one husband.
Polygyny, polygamy are interchangeable terms. Polandry, polygamy, polandry are ancient customs that served peoples of those times because they were ignorant or in bronze age thought.
It does NOT serve anyone today, other than screwing up lives, especially the children.
"Polygyny" is the term for having more than one wife, it means "many women".
"Polygamy" is the term for having more than one spouse, it means "plural marriage". It is often mistakenly used as polygyny, probably because only men married ,actively, while women got married, passively.
"Polyandry" is having more than one husband, meaning "many men".
Polygyny is evil and stupid and women degrading. Polyandry is a bit cooler, because goddesses deserves plural husbands, but it is still gender assymmetric. Monogamy is better than both. Here you learn equality. At the end of the monogamous phase, same sex marriage is legalized, then the next phase is gender neutral polygamy, which is good for everyone, especially the children.
But who are you really to tell people their religion is wrong? The people in this documentary don't live on compounds. They don't marry underage girls or relatives or anything. It's not abusive. Just consenting adults.
Where did I say their religion is wrong? Faith observance to God and doing good is never wrong. It is in misinterpretation of the bible and MANS ignorance that is wrong.
Women are not chattel or cattle or animals to just say I want this many and NONE of you get to heaven unless you follow ME the MAN who is DEMI GOD.
That is the bottom line of that religious ordinance. Whereas FAITH is totally distinct and a HUMAN male or female worth is TOTALLY distinct.
Against your God maybe. It's pretty obvious that you aren't a Fundamentalist Mormon. If you were, it wouldn't be against your God. Some people just don't believe that plural marriage should have been given up so easily by the LDS in return for becoming a state. That's their belief. And yes, these people you see in this video are adults and independent women not living on a compound. That's not up for debate. Underage marriages only happen on compounds where women are scarce.
Except their God believes in plural marriage. In principle it's all the same God. In all his variations, he is fundamentally the same God. But Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, they don't all believe the same things. You should respect that.
I don't force my faith observance on other people, not even my children. They learned about our religion and the tenets of faith and they were allowed to wait for confirmation or be confirmed at the age of reason.
The women in this video? sorry, they live in a world where they are believing it is o.k. to share a husband?
That is wrong and has nothing to do with religion as I said. It has to do with men wrapping religion to their selfish lust.
Please stop implying that morality isn't mostly subjective. What you say is wrong, another person says is right. You know, some people think homosexuality is morally wrong. Some people think eating beef is morally wrong. Morality is not the same for all people.
RELIGION and FAITH is about doing good, treating others good, not lying, not cheating, not stealing (they lie and cheat on other women in this situation). NOt COMMITTING ADULTERY.
They are all committing adultery. Or do you all not read the BIBLE main 10 commandents. Adultery is clear. ONE husband, ONE wife and they don't share their sexuality or marriage with other people.
These women have to lie to the outside world, so do their kids.
Stop applying your religion to their situation. In Fundamentalist Mormonism, plural marriage is outlined and in no way considered adultery. Maybe it's adultery to you, but don't assume everybody is bound to your commandments. Outside of plural marriage, there are many different combinations of polyamory: women with two boyfriends, open relationships, group marriage with multiple men and women, etc. One man and one woman is not the reality for a lot of people, including homosexuals.
@wwwpower1 I believe people should have the right to stick to the law of God, not the law of the land!
For example, Jews and muslims are allowed to practice polygamy. So I don't see who gives the governments the rights to stop those people from practicing something that their allowed to do!
But MOST of the people practicing polygamy, do it for sexual reasons, but claim its for God!
And you are right, there's ONE God for all nations!
God, Lord, Allah or Yehwa.. Same God, different names!
More wombs? that is disgusting. MORE wombs? more babies? like a cult weird science fiction experiment.
WOMEN are more than their wombs or body parts, they have bodies, souls and minds and are NOT the property or chattel of men.
It is ABOUT SEX, but disguised by weirdo perverts like Joseph Smith and his ilk to say that one can have lots of women and that is how one gets to heaven.
Then the total bunk about women needing to help men get to heaven. SICK!
@wwwpower1 Women don't help men get to heaven. I am pretty sure the point is that the men get the women into heaven and before that expand their celestial kingdom here on earth. I have no idea why you are bombarding me with your religious beliefs though. I am not a Mormon and whether or not fundamentalist Mormonism is misogynistic is not really up for debate. The debate is about consensus and freedom of religion. The women consent and are free to believe in polygamy.
Petfal,
The best way to practice polygamy is by having everyone get what they want rather than going by what OTHERS are telling them they should want. If it so happens that a wife wants other wives and not other husbands, then she is not looking for lovers, she wants to either 'share' her relationship or she wants sex with other women, as well.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
Petfal,
My issue with #3 is that it confuses a 'right' w/ action. I have the right to kill someone if they break into my house but that doesn't mean that I have to. I can just shoot them in the leg. In poly the rights should not be individual since a relationship is based on TWO or more people and not just ONE person. If you want to go off adding another spouse to your poly without 1st asking your current partner then it's likely you're going to find that other partner leaving.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
Whereas, in the past, you would never hear about gay marriage, well now we have it. So that also opens the door to same-sex and bisexual polygamy. Then there's also polyamory crowd which is where you'll find them engaging in multiple parter NON-marital relationships whether it be multiple boyfriends or gfs. And of course there's plenty of bisexual activity in those crowds. So polygamy in our culture will very likely be practiced in many forms, that is, if it's ever legalized.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
cont'd.
You also mention not hearing about polygyny turning into polyandry or polygynandry in history. I'd say that's because many cultures back then were highly patriarchal. Even the United States used to be until women started fighting for equality. The reason I believe you will see ALL forms of polygamy in American culture is because of our equal opportunity between men and women and our more open sexuality. cont'd
PolyPride3 2 months ago
cont'd from my last comment.
It's also possible for some poly relationships to start off as polygyny and then later turn into polygynandry (polygamy with both multiple husbands and wives).
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
Do you mean polygyny here as in the conviction that only males are allowed to have multiple female partners? If not, it is just a polygamy turning into a polygamy, no changes really. :D
Petfal 2 months ago
@Petfal
I think you were asking about my comment about polygyny turning into polygynandry. The definition of polygamy is not based on just a conviction but the actual act or state of being married to multiple people. So while a polygynous couple may be open to having multiple husbands if they wanted to, but that doesn't mean they have to or will do it. And being allowed to do it, that alone, does not turn polygyny into something else until more partners are added.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
There are different (main) levels of definition (of polygyny).
1) A marriage that includes more than one woman.
2) A marriage that includes more than one woman, but not more than one man.
3) A system where men can marry more than one woman, but women do not have the right to marry more men.
We agree that 1 and 2 are ok, but that the morality of 3 is certainly is up for debate?
Petfal 2 months ago
@Petfal
Yes, unless you are a Christian or believe in the existence of the biblical God, then #3 is unfair. That's not always a part of the definition based on the dictionaries I've looked at. The only issue I have with #3 is that it doesn't take into account women's choices to want other wives and not other husbands. Once you do that, then you're defeating the purpose of CONSENT of ALL adults for adult consensual polygamy.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
So you believe #3 IS fair if you are christian or believe in a biblical god!? I don't think that is a good enough excuse, besides, there are lots of christians that are not conservative, and there are lots of conservatives that aren't christians, and other "gods" that can also be interpreted to say "unfair is fair". What do you mean you have issue with #3? As it stands, or my definition of it? No matter what they actually want, all should have the right... maybe even be encouraged!
Petfal 2 months ago
@Petfal
If the Christian God actually exists, and he sets morals, then yes, going by his plan your #3 point done in a CONSENSUAL way is fair. Unless you can show for sure that he doesn't exist, then it's not really an excuse, it would indeed be the standard for all humans to follow. I understand that there are different standards/beliefs out there and since this area (God's existence) is largely unproven, that's why I'm speaking in a hypothetical way.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
On a previous comment, IExposeMormonism said, "And polygamy, however you conceive it , should be illegal too. Society as whole is threatened by such arrangements. " Please explain how is society threatened by UNforced or consensual polygamy? From my experience, most of the issues raised against polygamy are fixable, just as we would fix problems in monogamous relationships. It doesn't take banning the practice altogether.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3 You are an odd one. The primary function of Mormon polygamy is to obtain control over it's minions and the doctrine itself proclaims authority over non Mormons as well. D&C132 nullifies All non Mormon marriages and contracts, defines innocent blood and threatens wives with death for non compliance. Polygamy isn't what you think it is, it's what D&C132 proclaims. Neither is it revlavent what what other Mormons do. D&C132 is the real threat against all Christians and against the world
IExposeMormonism 2 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I am odd because it seems you have reduced polygamy to Mormonism. ARe you aware that polygamy was not invented by the Mormons and existed before Joseph Smith ever existed? Please expand your knowledge of polygamy beyond Mormon Scriptures if you really intend on understand all of the DIVERSE ways that it has been practiced (including as POLYANDRY) and how it can work. I encourage you to before you go on DICTATING to every single person to stay out of it.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3 You post on Mormon polygamy videos. know your subject. Mormon polygamy is what I have described. Homosexual polygamy/marriages will obtain first in law and then Mormon polygamy will obtain. How could anyone deny Mormon their religious rights after granting marriage rights to homosexuals... So get ready for it and enjoy it. Either are the swan song of civilization. Make that a buzzards song
IExposeMormonism 2 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I post on Mormon poly videos because they make up the majority of videos on polygamy. Most of the polygamy practitioners in the U.S. are Mormons. I try to expose stereotypes and show that there are SOME Mormons who practice polygamy in a good way. But that's just a start off point, I also try to go beyond just those Mormons and show that others want poly as well and I show some of the good ways it can be practiced by answering objections, exposing double standards, etc
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
Maybe it really means "polygyny"? If a big group voluntarily does something immoral (like not allowing females multiple spouses), it can have negative impact.
Petfal 2 months ago
@Petfal
Polygyny can be about not allowing women to have multiple husbands but that's not always the case. I say that because there's a difference between not allowing and not wanting based on choice. In other words, it's not that the women aren't allowed to have multiple husbands, it's just that they don't want it. There's nothing immoral about living out poly based on choice.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
I don't know for sure, but I have no reason not to believe that it isn't so: There are strong convictions and beliefs that only men are allowed to have multiple female partners. That is wrong. Growing up with that, you might accept it, and, because of that, not even want it otherwise. Like being brainwashed. It is harder to say what is morally wrong about that than downright use of force or denial. It is not even trickery, per se, but I do believe there are some immoral aspects with
Petfal 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
...it. In a natural selection of people, there would be, if freedom was there, maybe tendencies of one sided polygyny, but also every now and then a polyandrous, or even a polygynandrous union. I doubt there are, I have never heard of any from these cultures.
It doesn't really matter what gender you are when you do something immoral. If women (individuals) are part of the ones denying women (in general) to have other partners, it doesn't make it right.
Petfal 2 months ago
It should not be a surprised that there are Mormons that don't practice EVERY SINGLE word written about their faith, because you have the Mainstream Mormons who don't even practice polygamy at all. You have STRICT FLDS who try to maintain everything, and you have those in the middle, the 'independent or progressive" Mormons who practice with some strict standards but are still more open to not practicing everything as is written. All religions have people and this varying level of adherence
PolyPride3 2 months ago
Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.
The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, written by Thomas Jefferson and the Marquis de Lafayette.
mazerrackham001 3 months ago
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cont'd from my last comment..
You mention one man can't single-handedly support many wives and children. I'll mention again, it's not about the man doing everything nor does polygamy have to involve having lots of wives and kids. And let me ask, why don't you think the wives don't contribute financially to the relationship by going to work themselves including helping to raise the kids?
PolyPride3 4 months ago
cont'd from my last comment..
You mention one man can't single-handedly support many wives and children. I'll mention again, it's not about the man doing everything nor does polygamy have to involve having lots of wives and kids. And let me ask, why don't you think the wives don't contribute financially to the relationship by going to work themselves including helping to raise the kids?
PolyPride3 4 months ago
This is all about womens ego. They dnt want to share. But bitch nobody is gonna force u to be in a polygamaus relationship so stfu
sittingbull706 5 months ago
@sittingbull706
WOW, how about being real and honest.
Polygamy is about MALE ego. They are greedy and want OTHER Mens share.
Way to deflect it to the age old male trick to make male greed and lust look like a womans fault.
btw. turn tables do YOU want to live with a woman who has 5 (FIVE) husbands?
When you can sincerely say YES imagining all the consequences. Like YOU have to do the housework and raise children and get 1/5th of the time from your wife - come back and post!
barb554 4 months ago
@barb554
Polygyny is about male ego. Polygamy is about love.
I'd love to live with a woman, even if that woman had 5 husbands, yes. I think I'd be a good polyandrous husband if there weren't so many other cute goddesses :D I'm a hardcore polyGAMIST, believing everyone should have the right and privilege of having several partners.
Petfal 3 months ago
@sittingbull706
And the MAJORITY of young girls, young women are FORCED into polygamy.
Brainwashing techniques in Polygamous cults is highly effective to destroy a girls, womans worth and FORCE her to believe she is a mans property and that he won't get to heaven without having many wives.
Young girls are trafficked over borders to make "wives" for old leechy men.
Do you know WHY Warren Jeffs (POLY leader) is in PRISON?
Real young girls womens lives are destroyed by polygamy.
barb554 4 months ago
@barb554 Im so sick of that dumbass argument "its all about lust and greedy sex". NEWS FLASH: Men are already sleeping with god knows how many other women. ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. Whether we legalize it or we dont. PPL in 1on 1 relationships make up 99 % of cheating and adultery. Consequently we are passing around STD's like dollar bills. There is sooooo many women in polygamous relationships that couldnt be happier. But i dnt expect u out of line braods to say anything about that.
sittingbull706 4 months ago
Who the fuck do ppl think they are telling me who i can or cant marry. So gay ppl which forces women to be lesbians can get married and raise a children in that sick ass environment, but i cant have another wife. BULLSHIT
sittingbull706 5 months ago
@sittingbull706
Gay people forcing women to be lesbians!?!??! Really!?
Would you let your wife have another partner?
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal If all men turn gay then who will the women be with ? ANOTHER WOMAN U DUMBASS !! A Woman is not capable of running a household with multiple husbands. If a fight breaks out AND IT WILL between the men wtf is she gonna do besides yell stop stop stop. GET REAL
sittingbull706 3 months ago
@sittingbull706
That's a really big if. I think a smaller if is if all women turn gay. But if men somehow turned gay, I doubt women would be forced to be gay, too. I don't think that is how it works.
Why does the woman have to be the one running the household? Why does anybody? Couldn't it be a collective thing? As long as you are not being an ass, you can avoid fights. I am a living
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal 1: They WILL fight, and women are NOT physically strong enough to get between grown-ass muscular men & put a stop to that shit. Men fight if someone looks at us the wrong way, cuts us off in traffic, steps on our shoes...we fight over any and everything ALL THE TIME! So you mean to tell me when it comes to our wife, we will NOT fight?! STFU...
sittingbull706 3 months ago
@sittingbull706
So why do not I fight? I happen to dig female bodybuilders, but (unfortunately) none of my girlfriends are, and I could probably overpower them easily, but why would I want to? Some men are actually somewhat mature. Maybe you and I would fight if we had the same wife :D
Petfal 3 months ago
@sittingbull706
...proof of that! :D
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal 2: Polygamy is a logical solution to solving the mathematical problem/ratio of men to women. It is/was ran smoothly by EVERY race on EVERY continent and is advocated by EVERY religion before you good-for-nothing, faggot-producing, gender-role-reversing, men-hating, lesbians & feminists made it a taboo. If more men become gay, it FORCES more women to be ALONE, with another WOMAN, or grab hold of a dog or horse penis.
sittingbull706 3 months ago
@sittingbull706
Now we're talking! I agree, polygamy is a logical solution. Monogamy only works when the ratio is more or less 1:1 (not considering homo- and biphilia)... which it is. Polyandry and polygyny only works when there is 1: >1, but polygamy works whatever the ratio is. No one is a bigger advocate for polygamy than me, trust me. I hate monogamy, and if you want marriages/relationships to contain only one man, then you are a monogamist to me.
Petfal 3 months ago
@sittingbull706
Just because we don't hate women doesn't mean we hate men. I do not deny the chance that some people can become homophile, either by choice or not, but most homophiles ARE homophiles. If you say all homophiles CHOOSE to be homophiles, I would have to ask you to prove it to me by choosing to be one yourself.
Petfal 3 months ago
I think human societies can live with either polygamy or monogamy. Different societies usually have wide and contrasting beliefs and opinions about this. I see nothing wrong with having multiple partners myself. If you prefer monogamy then good for you.
Bassyswing1 8 months ago
@Bassyswing1
Then you would have NO problem with a woman having 5 husbands and you would be the 6th in line?
barb554 4 months ago
Any religion group has their own business!but thoses giving up principle of faith
always they walking fine line.It is too late to try to stop polygamy or repeat pogrom
like not other choices is ahead.This is not more a religion matter and I hope US
Government find a solution.
Peace to all
luisitomachado1 9 months ago
The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution is supposed to guarantee freedom of religion and freedom of association. This means the following things. Government has no place in the Mormon faith or any other faith. Marriage is a religious sacrament so marriage licenses are unconstitutional. Freedom of association means that We The People choose who we want in our lives, not government.
RatedRepublican 10 months ago 2
Polygamy is an abuse against women/ children.
Find me one man who can perfectly:
1. manage his home well: including paying appropriate taxes to live in North America.
2 love his wife and children perfectly
3. provide food, roof, educationfamily with proper ATTENTION for all.
NO man is perfect in one marriage let alone plural.
Personal freedom mean: one does not encroach on others freedoms. Polygamists use (abuse) government money and warp women and childrens lives.
barb554 8 months ago
@barb554
Polygamy is not about the man doing everything nor is monogamy like that. Also, polygamy does not equal Mormons since anyone whether Mormon or non-Mormon can be in polygamy. Thanks to the media, people don't consider that. It's up to ALL of the adults in the relationship to love their children and provide support for them and themselves. I'm also against polygamists who have too many kids just as I am against SINGLE people and monogamous people who have too many kids.
PolyPride3 6 months ago
Polygamy is an EXTREMELY UNBALANCED and I mean in ALL WAYS, mental, emotional, physical, spiritual etc.
One man CANNOT PLEASE and SATISFY ALL the NEEDS of a woman and I am NOT just talking about sexual needs.
One man cannot be the FATHER to children of MANY wives in equal manners.
One man cannot single handedly SUPPORT that many wives and children. That would be RARE.
barb554 4 months ago
Polygamous cults are the prototype of the REAL consequences of polygamy.
OLDER MEN with power play the people as pawns. With young girls groomed to accept abohorent disgusting old men wanting 4 - 5 or 20 women for themselves.
While the younger men with less power will either get BOOTED out or ostracized or become drone workers for the MAN who has it all.
In isolated polygamous "families", the power plays run different and according to the amounts of SECRECY and game playing.
barb554 4 months ago
If POLYGAMY was acceptable then WOMEN in general would LIKE It and agree on a large scale. 99.9% of the FEMALE population thinks, believes and JUDGES that polygamy is WRONG and DIGUSTING and harmful for women and children. As do majority of men feel the same way.
No man kids anyone about the real reasons for polygamy and it is wrong, twisted and HURTS other peoples LIVES!
Wanting to bonk many women and male ego pride GREEDY LUSTpushes a man to want MORE than one wife.
barb554 4 months ago
@barb554 Wth women outnumbering the men U will have to share anyway. And the ONLY reason SOME bad things happen in a FEW polygamous relationships is b/c it has been pushed into the criminal underworld by selfish bitches like u.
sittingbull706 4 months ago
@barb554
All you talk about is the man as if the man is the only part of the relationship. Yes, a man can't give the amount of attention to his wiveS as he would in monogamy with ONE wife but then poly is not just about husband-to-wife romantic/sexual interaction like in monogamy. That's why ideally if the women also wanted poly and had a say in choosing COMPATIBLE women to her and her husband, then it can be a wife getting attention and relationship satisfaction from the other wives.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
cont'd from my last comment..
You mention 1 man can't be play a father role to children of MANY wives. Poly does not have to involve having many wives, it can be TWO wives, at least. Poly also does not have to involve having lots of children. I'm not sure if you're talking about treating all children fairly but if they're all living in one house, and there aren't that many kids then he can give his kids enough attention. Although where he can't then the 2, 3, or 4 motherS could step in.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@barb554
That's not up to you to decide, really. If some people want to try that, they should be allowed. I just don't like any system that says someone is not allowed to have several spouses. Monogamy and polygyny are like that. Polygamy do not say that, so it is a very good system. It seems you are talking about polygyny.
Petfal 3 months ago
@RatedRepublican Polygamy doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Mormons have their own special definition of Polygamy. It "nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts", defines innocent blood and threatens wives with death for non compliance. And more. These definitions led directly to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. It is immoral and should be illegal. And polygamy, however you conceive it , should be illegal too. Society as whole is threatened by such arrangements.
IExposeMormonism 3 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
Eh... no? Polygamy means plural marriage... It is a nice thing, but yes, stupid, conservative, misanthropic people sometimes abuse it. Just like a hammer, a good tool, but not so cool if you use it to bludgeon a person.
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal I posted the Mormon polygamy revelation, read it. It's not just about polygamy, it "nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts" defines innocent blood and threatens wives with death for non compliance. Its' directly responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre, one of the fruits of Mormonism
IExposeMormonism 3 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
Yes, it's about not just polygamy. They do a lot of crazy stuff, and they also practice polygyny (which I think is wrong). I agree with all you say in your earlier post, except that polygamy should be illegal, but seing as you speak about polygyny, I DO agree in everything! :D
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal I just hate the sound of the word polygyny. It's like eating liver or baby beef brains, gives me the dry heaves. Maybe it's a past life experience.....but strictly speaking that's true. Mormons then obscure all of the subject by calling it celestial marriage. That's as disingenuous as Hillary Clinton commenting on Gaddafi's death "We came we saw he died" Joe did the same thing we marriage.
IExposeMormonism 3 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I too hate the word "polygyny", and the concept. It has both monogamy and unfairness towards women. I like polygamy, and I try to make people aware of the distinction between "polygyny" and "polygamy" :D
Petfal 3 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
There are many Scriptures in Mormonism like Doctrine & Covenants section 132. In section 132, it refers to polygamy as attaining the HIGHEST blessings as opposed to those who just practice monogamy as attaining the LESSER blessings. So apparently, monogamy is not a sin or damnation. To be fair, there are progressive Mormons out there who don't practice polygamy out of MANDATE and they also raise their kids to be open to monogamy and polygamy, and some have chosen monogamy.
PolyPride3 2 months ago
@PolyPride3
As I see it, monogamy is on the way from polygyny to polygamy. You cannot engage in polygamy until you are ready and have learned what you need in monogamy, so it doesn't make any sense to make it a sin. I agree. You do not "choose" monogamy, you realise this is as the best you are ready for yet :D
Petfal 2 months ago
IExposeMormonism,
Polygamy is not a Mormon invention or something that only Mormons can practice. I know non-Mormons Christians who practice polygamy and it isn't because of some doctrine that tells them that they have to practice it. In fact, if polygamy weren't illegal, more people (religious or otherwise) would be willing to practice it but we'll have to wait until that time. Polygamy is not wrong either although I'm not sure what the basis of your moaral standards are.
PolyPride3 11 months ago 2
polygamy is not what You call it. Mormon polygamy is very special:: It nullifies all non Mormon marriages and contracts! Defines innocent blood.Threatens his wife with murder,and thus by extension you. The proof of this is at The Mountain Meadows Massacre. For 150 yrs the Morg' has blamed the Indians and the victims for a crime MORMONS committed using, in part, their Polygamy Revelation and the OATHS of the Endowment Ceremony as "cause" for mass ritual murder. Homosexual marriage is wrong,too
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
@IExposeMormonism
Who are you commenting on? Mormon polygamy has been turned to polyGYNY. This is clearly wrong, even if it was practiced in a wholesome way.
What do you homosexual marriage is wrong?
Petfal 11 months ago
@Petfal You're confused on what I'm commenting on? The word polygamy is accurate and has been used from the beginning to discuss Mormonism. And it is wrong and Mormon polygamy is violent. Homosexual marriage is a moral outrage and is not a right. it's a perversion.
IExposeMormonism 11 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
"Polygamy" means plural marriage. "Polygyny" means plural wives. Feel free to correct me, but to my knowledge, FLDS mormons only practice polyGYNY in this day. In the beginning, Joseph Smith married lots of women, also some that were already married, so that women might have several husbands. This has changed now, so "polygyny" is more precise. "Polygamy" is not wrong, since polygyny is a subcategory of it, but saying it is "marriage", or "someting" is also correct,
Petfal 11 months ago
@Petfal
but not very precise. I am trying to legalize polygamy, making people see it is not such a bad thing, but then I have to make people not confuse it with polygyny. Polygyny is wrong, because it limits the number of men to one, and and it gives men a privilege and withholds this from women. Monogamy limits the love a little more, but is at least fair, but polygamy is the only perfect type of marriage. Homophiles are people, too, and it is very absurd to deny them equal rights.
Petfal 11 months ago
@Petfal
Homophilia is certainly not a perversion. It is a blessing from God! Marriage may be, too.
Petfal 11 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
I'm not confused,you just don't say it,so it is not known.The word "polygamy" means multiple marriage.Mormon polygyny is a kind of polygamy,it is correct to call it that,but not very precise.In the beginning,Joseph Smith actually married some women that were already married,so it wasn't pure polygyny then.
Some people believe having a different skin color is wrong, but I say homophiles and blacks, for instance, are just as good people as you and me. Being black doesn't hurt any
Petfal 3 months ago
@Petfal Polygamy is still accurate, I understand, polygamy covers the subject just fine. Yep, Joe married lots of married women, Mormonism has a kind of built in passive form of polyandry, where males can force females into marriages with other men. Women can't just 'get another husband', it has to come from a male in the form of a compulsion, an order to marry Mr X. And Most Mormon polygamy came from a male in the hierarchy, you don't just decide to do it, it's compelled on you
IExposeMormonism 3 months ago
@IExposeMormonism
Polygamy is not accurate when used about polygyny. It is like calling trouts "fish". It's true, trouts are fish, but a fish expert would be frustrated with the inaccuracy.
Of course, the polygamy wasn't done in a good way, but it WAS polygamy, true polygamy, not just polygny, and just that gives it a little plus in my book.
Petfal 3 months ago
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PolyPride3 1 year ago
daligon,
Lots keep their polygamy secret because polygamy is illegal.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
ummmm ok so if its such a good and honerable life choice y do u hide it ........jijijijijijijijijiji................ just asking we already know the answer
daligon01 1 year ago
cont'd from last comment
So a person can resolve jealousy in a multiple partner setting, although I'm not advocating to do it to the point of allowing swinging or giving your wife up to some guest as some Eskimo groups do. Or maybe the jealousy is not even at a level to where it would affect the relationship in a bad way, so in any case even if a woman can't resolve the jealousy 'totally', as long as she still enjoys the relationship then let the woman be.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
cont'd from last comment
If the wife not only sees her husband with another wife but also CHOOSEs the lifestyle, don't you think she should resolve her jealousy? She could either leave the relationship - work on resolving the jealousy even with professional counseling if needed - or maybe the jealousy is not so bad to where she feels like she has to leave the relationship. For example, some swingers don't experience jealousy for their partner as long as the swinging is KNOWN about by both.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
wwwpower,
Re jealousy..
Sure people get jealous but why don't you consider that there's a such thing as good and bad jealousy, and that unhealthy jealousy should be worked on and resolved? If some guy gets jealous at his girl saying that another guy looks good, does that mean that guy's jealousy is right? Why don't you think jealousy should be worked on when it's bad jealousy? cont'd
PolyPride3 1 year ago
wwwpower,
One thing I agree with you on is that marriage is for TWO people. That's why Biblical polygamy was and is practiced as PLURAL (more than one marriage). If a man wanted a 2nd wife, he would have to start a 2nd and separate marriage from his first one. This is to keep in line with the Biblical standard, at least. Although, the 2 marriages would at times feel like one big marriage when everyone is living under the same roof and are all working together - nothing wrong with that.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
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PolyPride3 1 year ago
wwwpower,
For your question to me, I could if I wanted to but no I don't want to. You're forgetting that polygamy should be about choice and not forcing someone into it. That applies to BOTH the husband wanting multiple wives or the wife wanting multiple husbands.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
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Cont'd from my last comment:
If the poly wives adapt their jealousy and standards (similar to that of swingers although not going as far) and not view their partners as threats then they can change their behavioral or jealousy responses enough to work well in a polygamous relationship. Your comment would not even apply much to wives who are bisexual or same-sex polygamy.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
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PolyPride3 1 year ago
cont'd from last comment,
Secondly, jealousy can be a problem in polygamy just as in monogamy, but why don't you think it's a problem that can be worked to manage or fix it? Jealousy is in part a socially instilled by our culture, upbringing, and beliefs, etc. Eskimos don't experience jealousy when they lend their wives to some guests. Swingers experience little to no jealousy when they lend their wives. I'm not saying become an Eskimo or a Swinger but nonetheless we're all human.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
@PolyPride3
Honestly I think jealousy will be an issue but even in monogamous relationship jealousy is an issue. A husband and wife dont concern themselves with the jealousy of the siblings they will give birth too. The more children they have the more jealousy there will be. But parents dont concern themsleves with that because the choice is not up to the children. Same with having multiple wives. There will be jealousy but they can overcome it and it should not be a reason to avoid polygamy.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
Most of the time, you do not make any sense. Jealousy does exist in some marriages, but MAN oh MAN times that by how many wives and right in FRONT of their faces? Are you blind or just playing ignorant or somehow brainwashed or somehow do NOT see women as real people?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
wwwpower,
You bring up jealousy in polygamy : (. There is a bit of difference than other types of jealousy in relationships because ideally in polygamy, EVERYONE KNOWS about the multiple spouses and CHOOSE it. And if they can't handle it they can also CHOOSE to get out of it. That's not as bad as a husband who 'secretly' sleeps with a woman other than his wife, LiES to his wife about it which also means his wife never CHOSE or agreed with her husband's relations with the other woman.
cont'
PolyPride3 1 year ago
Cont'd from last comment
Factor that into a modern day progressive polygamous family, where everyone works, so your question about how a man can take care of all his wives is pointless in this case. If all of the spouses are working then they not only can take care of themselves but also combine their income and take care of each other. I can kinda see this increasing women's independence in a marriage since she's not bogged down with the common household roles since she has an extra person.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
wwwpower,
You fail to consider that polygamy can be practiced many different ways, including ways that don't have anything to do with what you're saying. Monogamy can and has also been practiced in abusive ways as well, should we ban monogamy? hmmm.
Also consider we're not in ancient days anymore. Back then wives may have been 100% dependent on the husband, but that's not the case nowadays since women can have jobs, EDUCATION, etc. cont'd
PolyPride3 1 year ago
wwwpower,
If you read your bible please note that the punishment for adultery was for the adulterers to be killed. Why did God never requests that for polygamists in the Bible? Instead we find several places where God mentions instructions on how to manage a polygamous relationship rather than telling them to die. Adultery in the Bible is sex outside of marriage, and polygamy is all about marriage.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
@PolyPride3
UM GOD of the OT? or what does JESUS say? Jesus says to NOT divorce ones wife and to NOT look at another woman with lust in ones eyes.
JESUS is GOD, and the God of the OT had men doing heinious things to women and children, so don't even refer to the rules and laws of ancient bronze age, iron age men. Because Jesus says that was only allowed because men were too STUBBORN.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
But JESUS DISALLOWED more than one wife. Mark 10:1-12
Mk 10:7
"For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother (and be joined to his wife),
8 and the two shall become one flesh.' So they are no longer two but one flesh."
" 11 He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her;
12 and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery."
wwwpower1 1 year ago
ERGO:
1. A man marries one woman and only one - his first wife and the two become ONE>
2. Thus divorce of those two is not moral or legal in the eyes of God.
3. They will commit adultery if they divorce.
4. The two original unit (male and female) are ONE>
Where does it say take more than one wife? and have many - ONE FLESH relationships?
NO where and it is prohibited and against what JESUS commands.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
So if the OT says more than one wife? Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
The OT also says to not eat pork or shellfish on pain of death.
If a man RAPED a girl, he had to PAY her father 50 shekels to make her a decent woman.
Men also went and took virgins from other tribes, raped them and made them their wives.
Men of the OT were ignorant, violent and abusive. They took MORE than one woman because they believe women were their SLAVES and PROPERTY!.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Did you know that in the new testament that wives are supposed to submit to their husbands in all things which basically makes them slaves to their husbands. Also it said that solomon had to many wives because he could not provide duty of marriage to all of his wives.
Exod.21
[10] If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
But....guess what we live in the 21st century. We have modern homes, know better to not STONE people to death and we know that having more than one spouse is wrong and ignorant and ABUSIVE and WRONG for the women and children.
If your early upbringing told you nothing but that type of immorality and tries to justify it, that is sad.
But it is NOT right and not what Jesus wants. But it does not mean women or children in these situations are bad, they are only being duped.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
How can you equate polygamy with abuse? That is like saying I just got mugged by a white guy so all white guys are criminals. That is just ignorant. It is your upbringing that told you it was ok to judge polygamous families so you can poor out your hate on something other then yourself. It is you who are brainwashed to hate everything that is different to you. If jesus thought that polygamy was evil I doubt he would have used polygamy are a example for the ten virgin parable.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Polygamy is a form of abuse. That is many peoples opinion based on not paying attention to one wife and twisting young childrens minds.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
You cant just say that polygamy is a form of abuse. Where is your Proof? Anything you show me I can say the same thing about monogamous relationships. I dont care how many people believe that it is abuse. fourty years ago people thought that all blacks were retarded That didnt make them right. Your arguement about not giveing your first wife enough attention could be used for children also. and if we followed that logic the humans would die out due to having one child per family.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Oh and I do not hate these people or things different from me.
I hate those who brainwash and form cults so that INDIVIDUALS have no choice, especially CHILDREN.
Why are you so defensive of a MAN getting to have SEX with as many women as he wants and not in accordance with the law?
It has also been shown that MANY of these polygamists families are LEECHING off AMERICAN tax payers dollars. How does ONE man have many wives and children, feed, cloth, and EDUCATE them?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Many of them USE and ABUSE the social system.
ONE MAN? how can he pay attention, meet the needs and nurturing of one wife and children? NOT MANY NORTH AMERICAN men live up to one wife and children, let along many.
So there are a lot of LIES about this way of life. There are jealousies and resentments and a form of abuse or control that NOT many people comphrehend.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
The way a man can have that many children and feed and cloth them is to have your wives have jobs. not every polygamous family is on welfare.
And that man can not have sex with as many women as he wants... He can have sex with every woman he commits too. As for the laws of the land. The law states it is illeagal for a man to have more then one legal wife. So if I am leagally married to one and the rest are just women that live with me I am not breaking the law.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
amen
luisitomachado1 9 months ago
@wwwpower1
1. Where is the verse that says a man can only marry one wife? Ex 21:10
2.Not true only a man can divorce his wife and only if she sleeps with another man which then would allow a man to have more then one wife.
3. This is true but there is no limit to how many wives the man can have execpt for what it says in exodus21:10
4. exodus 21:10 allows a man to have more then one wife.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
So then the prayer that jesus says in John 17 only applies to me since you cant be one spirit with him since I already am.
21] That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Only the man can divorce his wife for fornication for only the woman is bound to the husband forever.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
What Jesus says about the Holy Spirit is For ALL men and women.
What Jesus says about DIVORCE had to do with a MALE system where women were PROPERTY and Jesus said DON"T do that anymore! It starts with the first divorce for the OT men and Jesus said NO MORE< ERGO that meant he could not divorce and NOT take another woman.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Dude. We are all one spirit with christ why cant a man be one flesh with all of his wives. There is no where in scripture that says that jesus disallowed polygamy in fact he used polygamy as a example for his parable the ten virgins
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
NO a man Can NOT be one flesh with more than one woman.
Jesus says man and woman. Male and female. NOT plural.
One man for one woman. The end!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Jesus also said I am one with him does that mean that you can not be one with him because I already am?
John 17 [22] And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
As concerning verse 11 So if I didnt divorce my first wife and then married another then I would be fine right. because it sounds like the problem in that verse is the divorce issue not the more then one wife issue.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Yeah but that was in refrence divorce where it says that only the man can divorce for the Cause of fornication not a woman.
Matt.5
[32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Only the woman is held accountable to divorce because a man can have multiple wives. For only the woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@PolyPride3
Are you a child born into a polygamous family?
What do you have to say to men like Blackmore up in Canada, trafficking young underage girls to be in his harem?
See, it is ABUSE of the vulnerable that we worry about. So if you are older and wiser you would see that it is against the worth and rights of GIRLS or brainwashing vulnerable people - that get caught in polygamous circles.
Sorry, we want Blackmore and his ilk in jail. He is an evil ignorant greedy pedophile!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Polygamy is so ripe for abuse of youth/women why do we even have to explain it?
It will NEVER be legalized and it is a sorry sad situation for ANYONE to promote legalization of pedophilia or harems for male lusts. Women or young girls are brainwashed, poorly educated or has come from abuse in her history to think it is remotely healthy or normal.
It is wrong, illegal, immoral in society and the eyes OF JESUS!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
anyone of these statements could be made about you. Monogamy is ripe with abuse of youth and women and like you I dont have to explian why.
And to equate legalizing polygamy with the legalizing of rape and pedophilia Is utter ignorance and hate mongering. It is you who are brainwashed and poorly educated and has come from a hate filled family if you feel the need to lash out at an entire people you have proven to know nothing about.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Read about Winston Blackmore. All real stories about him sending for young girls NOT of consenting age for his harem.
Sorry, polygamy is wrong otherwise all of the polygamists would be able to go freely and marry and deal in society.
It is wrong according to GOD and according to morals, and common sense.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Are you saying that abuse is unheard of in monogamous relationships? That sounds naive to me. Evil people are every where. Evil monogamous and polygamous people. If fact there are far more abusive monogamous relationships then polygamous relationships. Do you want to know why? Because there are more monogamous relationships. The ratio is the same. There are Good people and evil people and all you are doing is spreading hate and fear and I pity you.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
What are you evenm talking about. Either you follow JESUS or NOT. Jesus said those things. But you guys pound that bible over peoples heads to justify having lots of SEX with women.
It has NOTHING to do with their wombs. To reduce a woman (women) to their wombs. What a horrible thing to reduce women to their body parts or their ability to procreate as if they are good for nothing else.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
The population stats say that equal numbers of men and women are born, very little disparity, so there are enough MEN for enough WOMEN.
I have not made any claims about monogamy or isolating the environment for abuse.
The men written about in media who have issues can be from monogmous, plural or single relationships. This has to do with the promotion of ONE man having many wives.
That is wrong. WE ALL know it is, yet you guys continue to promote it.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
I am not judging the women who are in this today, nor their children. They have been led (or misled) to believe they are doing the right thing.
It is a perverted ancient patriarchal concept and has NOTHING to do with modern humans.
Go live in the desert, do not eat pork or shellfish and follow ALL the other things in the OT if you believe it was all hunky dory fine back then and everything is allowed.
We live in the 21st century not in biblical times. Jesus Condemned that practice!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
That is awesome I am glad that you brought this statistic up. It is true there are equal numbers of both men and women. Which is why polygamy is awesome. This way women dont have to settle for the abusive a--hole she can marry a man who has already proven to be a great husband and father. and this way all of the a--holes will be without women and that is the way it should be. In polygamy women dont have to settle they can get the perfect Guy even if he is already married.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Great point! I couldn't have said it any better!
PolyPride3 1 year ago
@PolyPride3
The point is this:
Could you be a househusband of one woman? amoung many of her husbands? lets say 6 husbands, one woman to rule that home?
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
No instead you want women to have no choice and share one tiny part of a man and relationship and have LESS than MANY happy married women.
What gives you or others the knowledge or right to say that many marriages are NOT good. Again, selflishness is evident in this discussion.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Why is it all about sex for you? If a woman can love multiple children with equal intensity then why cant a man love his wives with equal intensity Just as jesus loves each member of the church with equal intensity. Yes there is are many benifits to having multiple wives and one of those benefits is haveing more children but no one said it is all about sex. It looks like you are the one that has been brainwashed. Not us.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
Wow, your logic is twisted. If a woman can love one man, why can't she then love many men. Turn tables. YOU be in a harem and have one wife and be one of her many husbands.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
A man can love women with EQUAL intensity? maybe in his lusts, but NOT in his time or nurturing of that woman. See that is where ALL of your arguments FAIL miserably it is ALL about the MAN and NOT in the least about the women.
The women are HIS servants plain and simple.
That is slavery, greed, lust plain and simple.
If people are caught in this lifestyle and brainwashed into it, we feel for them and hope they can find a good life, but do NOT promote legal slavery!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
I think that pediaphiles and abusers should go to jail regaurdless of their lifestyle choice. But you can not group together every polygamous person into a group and call them evil. To do that would make King David evil.
2Sam.12
[8] ...and thy master's wives into thy bosom, ... and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
Multiple wives are a gift given by God.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
@sixthheretic
King David was evil in the esteem if he was living today.
The men of the OT, many were ignorant, abusive, violent and even some of the women, killing off other sons or plotting against other women (in the harems) sons.
It was an account (many, many accounts, some told orally and translated many ways and times) of the bronze, iron age men trying to figure out nature and God.
The NT on the other hand is 2000 years old culturally, but Jesus has wise words.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
So just because King David or Solomon had many wives and killed other people, that means it is o.k. for you guys to have lots of women and sex?
NOPE< Jesus overturned all that and you mean distort the bible to your own selfish needs.
ONE man ONE woman. You men are being greedy and selfish and NOT at all considering that a woman is an individual with her own soul journey and body, mind and soul and should not be a commodity or property or baby maker.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Marriage is for two people to share, enjoy and be commited to each other in trials and tribulations and joys. You are depriviing women and the children.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@PolyPride3
Actually adultery is specifically a man sleeping with another mans wife or a woman sleeping with a man other then her husband. Neither of definitions negate polygamy.
So as long as the Guy only marries virgins, widows and put away women He doesnt commit adultery. The woman however is bound to her husband till he dies. but that still doesnt limit how many wives he can have.
sixthheretic 1 year ago
power1,
Polygamy is all within a marriage, so the husband would only be having sex with the women that he's married to and that's not adultery.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
@PolyPride3 Just because something is legal, doesn't mean God approves of it.
ByeByeBelly 1 year ago
@PolyPride3
Sorry, polygamy is adultury multiplied how many times for how many mistresses.
That is the truth.
So it is adultery. Having sex with ONE woman at a time is what you are talking about and not amount of semantics takes away that he then has SEX with another woman on another night of the week. It is all adultery as soon as he has sex with anyone other than the FIRST woman he married.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
I have no problem if women want ot fullfil a mans fantacy, as if there is a shortage of men. The problem I have is they creat huge families they can not afford, them BLEED THE BEAST, for support, apply separately for every gov welfare progam.cheat the tax payer. Studies have shown that for every 1 dollar in taxes they pay, they take in 8 dollars. This makes them a parasite on this country, and a burden on the communities around them, and there attitude is they deserve us paying for there kids.
tfoster32 1 year ago
cont'd from my last comment,
You mention kids but of course not all who participate in poly lifestlyes have kids. To be honest, I'm only advocating for polygamy which is about a STABLE relationship, marriage. No one is sleeping around with just anyone, since the husband can only be with his 2 wives or sometimes more. Polygamy if practiced with consent is NOT dangerous, because there are families who enjoy it, so please don't judge, based on your personal standard.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
You can defy all you want but that doesn't mean that its not possible for someone to enjoy having multiple partners and to have everyone be okay with it. Perhaps most poly people, polygamists, swingers, polyamorists have jealousy but for some it's not a problem but happens occasionally or rarely, especially when they are enjoying the relationship. Jealousy does not effect everyone the same way or not everyone has the same level of jealousy in a given situation so it is not a problem for all.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
Having multiple lovers is dangerous territory for some, but there are those who can handle it like some who are in polygamous families today, swingers, polyamorous people, bisexuals, etc. First thing we need to do is get over our "cultrual bias" that monogamous relationships are for everyone and more psychologists. As far as I see, as long as someone is not being overwhelmed by jealousy or have a jealousy problem, and they WANT or choose polygamy, then the relationships can work out just fine.
PolyPride3 1 year ago
I defy anyone who really can handle it. Even these women are keeping secrets, have to share one person and they do have jealousies. AND THE KIDS ? WOW, LETS SCREW WITH THEIR MINDS REAL GOOD.
Sorry, never right, never o.k. and JESUS did not condone it. IT IS SELFISH, GREEDY LUSTFULNESS FOR ONE MAN AND HE BRINGS THE WOMEN INTO THAT SIN. GLUTTONY AND LUST AND GREED. 3 DEADLY SINS RIGHT THERE!!!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
It is dangerous territory for all of them. There is no justification. It is inherited from a former lifestyle or religion or indoctrination and it is always wrong, never right.
Those immersed in it don't know better? or are caught as children?
Sorry, the people already in it - hope they get help or see, but it is not our call now, they already did this and it will have consequences.
We pray for them. But good god don't encourage other people to head into body, mind and soul sinning.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Polygyny is always wrong, polygamy is right when it is fair.
You are already in IT, called monogamy, and you have not the ability to see any alternatives.
Petfal 1 year ago
@Petfal
Polygyny is a term used to describe polygamy. Polandry is the term for having more than one spouse, but more likely used for women who have more than one husband.
Polygyny, polygamy are interchangeable terms. Polandry, polygamy, polandry are ancient customs that served peoples of those times because they were ignorant or in bronze age thought.
It does NOT serve anyone today, other than screwing up lives, especially the children.
We pray for them all.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
"Polygyny" is the term for having more than one wife, it means "many women".
"Polygamy" is the term for having more than one spouse, it means "plural marriage". It is often mistakenly used as polygyny, probably because only men married ,actively, while women got married, passively.
"Polyandry" is having more than one husband, meaning "many men".
Petfal 1 year ago
@wwwpower1
Polygyny is evil and stupid and women degrading. Polyandry is a bit cooler, because goddesses deserves plural husbands, but it is still gender assymmetric. Monogamy is better than both. Here you learn equality. At the end of the monogamous phase, same sex marriage is legalized, then the next phase is gender neutral polygamy, which is good for everyone, especially the children.
Petfal 1 year ago
But who are you really to tell people their religion is wrong? The people in this documentary don't live on compounds. They don't marry underage girls or relatives or anything. It's not abusive. Just consenting adults.
sestsa 1 year ago
@sestsa
Where did I say their religion is wrong? Faith observance to God and doing good is never wrong. It is in misinterpretation of the bible and MANS ignorance that is wrong.
Women are not chattel or cattle or animals to just say I want this many and NONE of you get to heaven unless you follow ME the MAN who is DEMI GOD.
That is the bottom line of that religious ordinance. Whereas FAITH is totally distinct and a HUMAN male or female worth is TOTALLY distinct.
TRUTH.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@sestsa
Ergo, the people in this home who have to LIE to the outside world and tell their children to lie and SHARE one man who is only ONE man is a lie.
Any one who lies is against God.
They cannot bring their way of life to the LIGHT, so it is a lie. and it hurts their children and they know not how it even hurts their own selves.
It is their choice.? They don't marry underage? PROOF? Consenting adults - who did not allow their children ANY choice. Sorry, not going to buy it.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Against your God maybe. It's pretty obvious that you aren't a Fundamentalist Mormon. If you were, it wouldn't be against your God. Some people just don't believe that plural marriage should have been given up so easily by the LDS in return for becoming a state. That's their belief. And yes, these people you see in this video are adults and independent women not living on a compound. That's not up for debate. Underage marriages only happen on compounds where women are scarce.
sestsa 1 year ago
@sestsa
1. Only one God, so my God is the same God as is named Allah, Lord, Mormon God? or Jehovah God or Jewish God of Abraham.
ALL the Judaism offshoots of Christ are the ONE and SAME GOD.
Although my version of God might include the Female element.
The women in video have spoken out and yes their situation in all its form is up for debate.
I asked for PROOF that there are no underage girls that get indoctrinated in this lifestyle in these families.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Except their God believes in plural marriage. In principle it's all the same God. In all his variations, he is fundamentally the same God. But Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, Protestants, Catholics, Muslims, they don't all believe the same things. You should respect that.
sestsa 1 year ago
Did you even bother to read what I said?
I don't force my faith observance on other people, not even my children. They learned about our religion and the tenets of faith and they were allowed to wait for confirmation or be confirmed at the age of reason.
The women in this video? sorry, they live in a world where they are believing it is o.k. to share a husband?
That is wrong and has nothing to do with religion as I said. It has to do with men wrapping religion to their selfish lust.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Please stop implying that morality isn't mostly subjective. What you say is wrong, another person says is right. You know, some people think homosexuality is morally wrong. Some people think eating beef is morally wrong. Morality is not the same for all people.
sestsa 1 year ago
RELIGION and FAITH is about doing good, treating others good, not lying, not cheating, not stealing (they lie and cheat on other women in this situation). NOt COMMITTING ADULTERY.
They are all committing adultery. Or do you all not read the BIBLE main 10 commandents. Adultery is clear. ONE husband, ONE wife and they don't share their sexuality or marriage with other people.
These women have to lie to the outside world, so do their kids.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Stop applying your religion to their situation. In Fundamentalist Mormonism, plural marriage is outlined and in no way considered adultery. Maybe it's adultery to you, but don't assume everybody is bound to your commandments. Outside of plural marriage, there are many different combinations of polyamory: women with two boyfriends, open relationships, group marriage with multiple men and women, etc. One man and one woman is not the reality for a lot of people, including homosexuals.
sestsa 1 year ago
@sestsa
I can only think you are one of them, or a child of them or associated with them or even contemplating having many wives yourself if you are a man.
ALL men would justify this if they want more than one woman for sex or to wait on them and serve them like a King.
Some women perhaps get brainwashed into this.
Other than that, normal people don't fall for this.
Physical, emotional, social, intellectual and spiritual - polygamy feels and is wrong.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
Oh and you can't keep saying it is THEIR GOD as if God is somehow changing for other people.
It is all still one God and that God says DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.
IT is MEN who have said their views about what they want to twist God into doing, not the other way around.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 I don't know what your religion is, and I don't know what's your belief, but what you have said simply rocks.
Godbless you.
88BiTE 1 year ago
@88BiTE
Wow, thanks for that affirmation. Not sure at times if people really read or comprehend what I say.
However, I believe many people do think the way I do and it is nice to express it in this medium so we know we are not alone.
Many Blessings to you too.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 I believe people should have the right to stick to the law of God, not the law of the land!
For example, Jews and muslims are allowed to practice polygamy. So I don't see who gives the governments the rights to stop those people from practicing something that their allowed to do!
But MOST of the people practicing polygamy, do it for sexual reasons, but claim its for God!
And you are right, there's ONE God for all nations!
God, Lord, Allah or Yehwa.. Same God, different names!
Godbless
88BiTE 1 year ago
@88BiTE True, true!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@88BiTE
Oh and polygamy is wrong, no matter ones religion.
Plain and simple, it is about sexual gratification and having more than ones share.
It is wrong against the WOMAN and YOUTH.
And moreso because it is due to selfish lusts it can cross the line of greed and abuse of youth and women.
ONE woman, ONE man. That is the LAW of GOD. ONE GOD.
IMHO. God Bless.
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 Then were all the messengers and prophets such as Solomon an David just trying to satisfy their sexual needs by marrying all those women?
If it is morally wrong, then why was Ok with it for thousands of years, and it became bad only when Jesus was sent?
88BiTE 1 year ago
@88BiTE
It was really NOT ok, men were stubborn, ignorant, selfish, greedy and gluttons.
They also had NO respect for women. WOMEN did NOT want that and women were abused and violated and had NO choice.
It was NOT morally acceptable. It was just the wealthy, powerful, or most violent or overthrowing person who got the most women as BOOTY and property.
Solomon and Mohammend were WRONG to take many wives.
Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, come on, that is ridiculous!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 Also, I should tell you it isn't about sexual gratification at all. It's about procreation. More wombs, more babies, bigger family.
sestsa 1 year ago
@sestsa
More wombs? that is disgusting. MORE wombs? more babies? like a cult weird science fiction experiment.
WOMEN are more than their wombs or body parts, they have bodies, souls and minds and are NOT the property or chattel of men.
It is ABOUT SEX, but disguised by weirdo perverts like Joseph Smith and his ilk to say that one can have lots of women and that is how one gets to heaven.
Then the total bunk about women needing to help men get to heaven. SICK!
wwwpower1 1 year ago
@wwwpower1 Women don't help men get to heaven. I am pretty sure the point is that the men get the women into heaven and before that expand their celestial kingdom here on earth. I have no idea why you are bombarding me with your religious beliefs though. I am not a Mormon and whether or not fundamentalist Mormonism is misogynistic is not really up for debate. The debate is about consensus and freedom of religion. The women consent and are free to believe in polygamy.
sestsa 1 year ago