I agree with most of what you say Stefan (given how I barely survived public schools), the problems arise when you find that the majority of people are largely incapable of homeschooling or unschooling, either due to work or lack of intellectual capability (usually both).
I think a liberal combination of unschooling (watch?v=axoJSMwoXn4&NR=1 ) and gamification in public schools, injected modern tech like kindles into the mix could radically improve education to incredible standards. Thoughts?
School took over a decade of my life away at gunpoint and I've spent years and dozens of books undoing all the bullshit they taught me, mostly about civics, politics and history. Hell, one of my favorite teachers that really loved science hated evolution so we didn't even learn that. I can recommend many books for anyone interested.
Some interesting and valid points. However, I think you are being a little unfair to the majority of teachers. The majority are not evil, controlling tyrants. They simply do not realise or question the system they are perpetuating. They just believe that they are providing a rounded and valuable education, rather than a Government guided training. They want to do good things, but do not realise the reality of their situation. BTW I'm not a teacher.
@LostInFunk You're totally right about teachers caring. I have 4 friends that are teachers and I've spoken with many others. Not all of them have perfect knowledge of their field as a whole, just like no soldier is automatically a political expert about the war in iraq. The problem is that they don't control their classrooms and have to teach bullshit. The principal can't really help, his/her hands are tied, and the board can't really help. It's all controlled elsewhere instead of locally.
I really have to fundamentally question the supposed rise of people's/children's IQs in the last 100 years. I say this because it is very possibly that the means of measuring intelligence has changed - and may quite possibly be quite inaccurate, and possibly even be corrupt.
Consider this: Would the citizens of 1858, via a measurement system devised by them, consider us of 2011 to be as "intelligent" as we have deemed ourselves to be? I doubt it.
I was diagnosed with ADHD in high school and never once believed I really had. I consciously knew that my attention was easily diverted because school was MOTHERFUCKING BORING!!!
I couldn't agree more. I was subject to violence when I was at school. I had special needs that made school very hard for me and I became suicidal as a result. Schools need to become more person-centred and teachers need to start listening to children.
I run into 20 somethings on here all of the time who appear to be intelligent, but have a terrible misapprehension of history because of their abysmal public education. One kid told me that there is mostly racial purity in western civilization because interracial marriage was taboo until the 1970's or 80's. How do you even begin to address such a ridiculous idea?
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i was told i had some sorta opposition against authority disorder (as far as i know it wasnt o.d.d. but...) ok well anyways all the a.d.h.d. drugs and crap screwed my friends up in some ways. thats why i will for the rest of my life refuse to take any meds for that kinda crap
Agree with the basic message of the video. But from my understanding, many IQ experts don't fully understand the Flynn effect nor are ready to conclude that each generation is significantly brighter. For example, SAT scores which are highly correlated with IQ have been re-centered because scores had been declining. Also, the IQ gains that you're talking about would mean that today's average college student would have an IQ comparable to Einstein and smart ones would have surpassed him.
I was one of those kids who hit the 99th percentile on standardized tests and had horrible grades, usually due to my disgust at the system and I admit some childishness (well I was a child!). It's good to know that it wasn't just me, the system wasn't designed for me. Schools are like labor unions for kids, they serve the needs of the dummies at the expense of the smart kids.
Thanks for explaining this so well Stef, I'll share this video far and wide!
Before the advent of centralised education, children learned from those around them (emulation). Such learning is the most natural and profoundly powerful. The extension of this was the apprentice. But placing our children into a system that aims at producing a human resource in uniform has caused both our cultures and the control of society to fall into the hands of the most cold blooded and ruthless entities.
A great post and highly resonant with the meme flowing through our world.
@pondman27 When I look at my own education I don't feel like I was being enslaved to become a resource for a cold blooded entity - I just understood that the point of school was to teach me the basics of math, english, and science for my own good after which I could choose my own path. Apprentices are great but you'd need so many to handle the number of students (parents have jobs...), and if kids learned from each other how would they learn more advanced concepts? School ain't that bad :)
@radscorpion8 The entire system is based upon making you think in such a way. Yet what you miss in ots content is the world view of past and future that it seeks to insinuate. Thus we arrive in a time where materialism and avarice have come to rule. The very best prisons are not constructed of metal bars, but of self imposed rule. Now at what age might one start to grasp the future?
As for more advanced concepts, very few reside with the system today.
@pondman27 Exactly. The ONLY purpose of the system is to make you think in a certain way. If you're smart & aware enough to see the hypocrisy & abuse in the system, you're labeled, drugged, shunned & stigmatized. Those who condone, support & defend the system have bought the lie. School is babylon indoctrination center, for controlling people, dispensing vaccines, collecting information about families & punishing outcast crowd of free-thinkers. The divine IS manifest; this is hidden.
@radscorpion8. They missed so much from that basic maths stuff, almost deliberately negating the divine that is manifest. The essences that make you & I are never mentioned or shown there sacred nature.
In the way some accountants come to think they know the cost of everything but in doing so forget those values not measured by money.
@radscorpion8 yeah what you say is true, learning can never hurt. What stef is saying that as well as teaching school controls. Children who are in need of a better systen get named mentally ill and are drugged up. That's the problem. Personally, being in school, I think if math and science are going to be taught you need good teachers. They have to understand math/science and teach it in a way that's interesting and applicable. I've learned nothing over years of memorixing how to solve for x.
@benjacobp Pt. 1: you can't "teach" anyone anything. you can only help them learn. with modern technology & transportation, there is no need for school in order to learn. you just need to promote interest in subjects & a small amount of guidance. once children love to read (by being read to starting as infants) & they love to work number problems (learned in life - like cooking & building projects w/ friends & family), they will find their true interest, then they take off like rocket.
I bit more knowledge into ADHD would certainly be refreshing. However I can understand where you are coming from, having a child of about two years of age. Watching your videos, gives me the impression of you being in love with your own ideas rather than constantly re-evaluating. You are motor mouthing the same lines of philosophical statements in your videos, throwing since long, digested packets of words just like a born again. Dear brother, a lot of what you are serving, has lost its mint.
@justmyself991 Education does not come from a classroom. It comes more powerfully from experience. And as is increasingly evident, much of the subject matter that is promulgated through the system present today, is all but entirely worthless for self reliance and creativity.
@pondman27 Have you heard of this international law concept: the right of self determination? I just discovered it a few days ago & I'm looking for other creative free thinkers to discuss it with or perhaps share some of the research involved in verifying this theory/concept. 3w.therightofselfdetermination . com.
The posts below which defend the schools or which attack Stephan must be from people who don't have kids in school. I have 4. The youngest is battling with reading but can speak 2 languages. Because of his reading "problems" he has been labeled with various prob's (dyslexia, etc.) in order to justify the failures of his teachers. My older teens want no part of the school system. I am required by law to send them and them must go, Each of them could test out but must attend until 18 yrs old.
Psychological propaganda that encourages throwing pills at problems thank you socialism... or rather thank you any governing body that has ever existed school is there to breed consumers whether it be private or public k-12 or college... all they want is more consumers and more sociopathic perdectionist control freaks... why do we need leaders? why does religion need to be organized? why is this world so hypocritical?
In the UK the chalk is gone. New learning spaces are a key part of the UK BSF deployment. Teaching assistants are in to support children in their learning.
Lots of learning is personalized. Assessment is still an issue we need to address but we are constantly trying to give children personalized learning opportunities that aren't part of the curriculum.
I successfully survived 'public' school, avoiding most of the propaganda and bullshit essentially by ignoring everything, daydreaming through classes (or reading my own choice of books) and never doing homework. I accidentally learned a tiny bit of arithmetic (division), everything else I know I learned outside of school. It was simply a waste of over a decade of my life. Of course my refusal to cooperate did have consequences and I am still paying for it, 30 years later.
@chrispyt77 Economic ostracism rather, my social skills are quite good, for other reasons. I've no papers to prove anything related to education and that makes it quite impossible to apply for 'jobs' with most large companies. My solution to that has been to be self employed, which is not a bad solution.
And for any reader thinking that not paying attention to public school propaganda means I am now 'uneducated', I have PHD friends who consider me to be at their level. Self education does work.
@Panpiper I too am predominately self-educated, and have "paid" for it for the last 30 years (approx). Aside from copious amounts of empty, false, pseudo desirable luxuries and a toxic paradigm of consumerism - which is really all that mainstream life has to offer - I cannot see what I had to sacrifice. Those things, those illusions and lies, had to go by the wayside in order to perceive actuality more lucidly. And for all the hardship of so doing, it has been worth the effort completely.
our children are constantly stimulated? That seems to be a problem as well... Perhaps that is the reason why traditional teaching methods are less effective. We have a media obsessed culture, if there is not a dancing monkey teaching me mathematics, I do not want to learn..
I completely agree with you on the topic of reevaluating our school systems, but downplaying the importance of traditional teaching methods seems harsh.
Same effect in the light plane industry. The FAA does not allow innovation in light plane engines--those engines are the same technology used back in the 1920's.
In grade 9 I asked my math teacher "How do 2 negatives make a positive, if Two wrongs do not make a right?" I asked 5 teachers, not one had an answer other then "that is just how it is".
You sure can find ancient technology used today. It is used by the history buffs and whole industries are built to provide the ancient technology to the history buffs.
So the basic idea of this video is that educational systems became stagnant because of government involvement. It would be a stronger argument if there was no private education, or if an example of a better private education system could be shown.
Mind you I think part of the problem with our education system is that we treat everyone as if they were the same, instead of tailoring the education to the students abilities.
Well, isn't the way water is delivered frozen in time also? Veinotte speaks of the current water systems being as historic and ineffective as they were when Romans created them.
With the respect to 19th-century children being "dunderheads" you really should consider some of the published writing of John Taylor Gatto if you have not done so already. This misconception of 19th-century U.S. society is pervasive and one of the reasons we are stuck with compulsory government schools that simply do not work.
Wow ... This vid is excellent Stef!! Great and educational as always. My jaw dropped when you linked the ADHD phenomenon to these primitive schools and their mind numbing curriculums.
It's so obvious but I didn't see it!
Thanks for plowing through through these ideas and sharing the truth with us Stef!!!
I don't know about you, but when I was in high school, they didn't use chalk. They either used a white-board, or a digital touch-screen that simulates a white board, except it doesn't work most of the time.
@JETZcorp Ha! I was in elementary school in the 80s & chalk was still being used. By the time I was in Jr. High, some of the classrooms had whiteboards in them, & by high school (mid to late 90s) a few classrooms (that were still being used) had chalkboards. & I went to high school in a pretty wealthy area.
That is a good point, once the government "guarantees" one of their entities( in this example in the form of a property tax that land owners are compelled to pay) , it loses the ability or motivation to innovate because they have created a de facto captive audience , who are at the will of a local bureaucracy .
So long as there is a property/council/school tax nobody will ever truly own their own land.
A few years ago I was diagnoses with ADHD, and I was on meds for awhile, but we quickly realized that all the drugs did was make me INCREDIBLY unstable emotionally
@RLNortonIII Stefan's original argument was, schools are using chalk boards things haven't changed for hundreds of years, which is inaccurate, except in Third World countries, and possibly some hic places in America, my argument was that Stefan's argument was inaccurate, how is this having it both ways ?
In light of much of the writing and arguments from John Taylor Gatto, I tend to be skeptical of your assessment of mid-19th century children as "dunderheads." Lew Rockwell had a great interview with Gatto recently and it was essentially a brief summary of Gatto's lifetime work. I encourage everyone to have a listen and most certainly we have lost much of that spark that made us problem solvers and innovators as a people. (The Gatto podcast is over on Lew's blog.)
@golefevre , I'm reading into your comment but it seems as though you subscribe to the general belief by many that people are generally stupid and incapable of rational thought/action. This is a common assertion made by many in the media (especially the comedic commentary types). But I think that the article by Gato does not conflict with this vid at all. The vid is a comment how kids are beaten down by the system, while Gatto was looking at a system that lifted kids higher.
Privately owned military industrial complexes operate all over the world. They privately own governments. We freely elect them, so they can do what their sponsors tell them to do. Because we are so scared to die, we accept slavery in exchange for freedom.
IQ has almoust nothing to do with intelligence. IQ is like a quantity of intelligence, it changes from year to year, from breakfest to dinner. THe real intelligence, the ability to solve problems is "cognitive ability" or something like that(in ROumania is called abilitati cognitive). With this you are born and you stay like this forever, independently from what quantity of fish you eat or else.
Sorry, you start off with an anecdote, and go downhill from there. You're optimistic, but I don't see that the genetics for intelligence have improved in any definable manner. We're still the same species as back then. All your points about the ADHD and stuff is right on, but maybe we should just be satisfied with helping kids reach their potential, rather than declaring they're smarter than humans of the past.
Homeschooling baby! A cursory glance of homeschooling will show that kids in such a system are actually more socialized than their public school counterpart. They're smarter, they think outside the box, inquisitive, and well ahead of public/private school kids. They get more direct education, better equipment, far more field trips,etc. If you don't care about your kids education, throw em to the government to fail them.
Free market and private property system is the most destructive system in the world. OPEC privately owns most oil wells and pushes prices when there is demand for oil, by reducing the output.
Government is just a form of private free market voluntary institution. Only because it is called government, it does not mean it is not voluntary, privately owned and free market.
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People voluntary pay taxes, freely vote :D, choose their masters/owners...
WHAT????
Government will kill you all or imprison you? Yeah.
If one refuses to pay taxes, or if one refuses to follow arbitrary rules, force(i.e. being put in jail/shot/beat down) will be used by people forming a group called government. How is that "voluntary" or "free"?
Oh Steph , I'm sorry but this is rubbish . You are obviously a very intelligent and articulate man , please get a grip and stop all this State-bashing whilst ignoring all the appalling private behaviour that is arguably a greater threat to our freedom and the planet. Wishing we were on the same side , as you do speak well . Power to the People.
What happens privately is insignificant compared to mass extortion and theft and hyper-regulation what governments and corporations do. Remember that corporations are giant legal(state) constructions to shift losses from individuals to the tax-cattle.
@myusernameisluc "What happens privately is insignificant" , I disagree ,the military industrial complex is more powerful than governments and will go to any lengths for profit , including starting wars , invading other countries etc etc . They are the hand inside the puppet politicians . I understand some here might call themselves Libertarians , I came here along an anarchy thread . Whats the difference between a neocon and a libertarian ? Sincerely helmet.
The "military industrial complex" consists of corporations = state companies. It is the power of the state that's so dangerous. People in government make war.
I don't care what the difference between certain labels is.
@RLNortonIII I'm not entirely sure you could class America entirely as a first world country, as it has Third World elements within it's society, in central Europe most children have laptops, and classes are getting fitted out with some innovative technologies, even countries like Kazakhstan are updating their classrooms, Stefan's blanket statement is incorrect
I don't get it. You said you agreed with her parents to take her back by a certain time and she said you didn't make that agreement. What am I missing?
I believe that this is unfair because teachers themselves are as much trapped as students. Teachers are forced to "teach to the test." Most are extraordinarily dedicated, yet cannot see through the control themselves. If teacher unions were busted, the level of creativity would go down even further because the State would have total power to smash individuality among teachers as well as students. Teachers and students are both victims of forces beyond themselves.
I don't understand the problem. The state doesn't want its surfs over educated. They must keep their tax generating cattle dumb in order to maintain control over them. As far as I'm concerned the state education system is exactly how they want it. When the population stops watching American idle and realizes their emperor has no clothes, then the jig is up.
Schools still using chalk boards ?, are you talking about backwards Third World countries ?, I happen to work for a company producing IT equipment for schools and colleges, the only thing stagnant here is your knowledge of the modern educational system ;-)
You got him there! He said chalkboards while they aren't that much in widespread use anymore(I still see them regularly), which proves he has no knowledge of the entire educational system!
@sftw007 You can't really compare kids with instruments. And istruments do evolve, they just create different sounds, therefore, become used with other genres. Classical music is "Classical", therefore, it's less willing to change for fear of no longer sounding classical, get it? To support the argument in this video, the education system is equivallent to forcing every aspring musician to learn only 12 years of classical music.
Stefbot do you realy think the big players what our children to have real knowledge . Real Knowledge is power , with real power our children would be a danger to those that own the world . So they are given some knowledge , just enough to become a standard citizen . So they work , Watch football , hollywood bimbos , trivia ect etc .
ADHD is an arbitrary disease. IQ is an arbitrary scale. And don't you be so stupid to not understand this IQ number... I took the "official" IQ test and I know it's just bollocks. You claim "we" are "smarter". Who are we? What is smarter? What is progress? Is it the agriculture based on chemicals? The electronic propaganda? I don't think so... Furthermore I feel discomfort over your generalisation of teachers and in your insults to them. Don't you think there are people with good intentions?
@sowiesosso he was trying to give a point of what kids have in a classroom not who.evin thow some not all but some schools now have labtops at there dest and thay have the power to rescerch and many more things at that desk.so its impoveing a bit but is this how we help our kids our futcher ?i may have bad spelling but thats from epalepsy a real reson not to have good schooling but on thes other points i think for the most part hes right
@sowiesosso I never heard him slam teachers per say. He was pointing out the brain numbing education system. The best teacher in this system can only do so much...so we have to stop the system, not just put band-aids on it.
I think stefbot is smart enough to undesrstand that culture is created from the top . This sick culture is by design created for whats coming down the pike . They have raised a generation on twisted video games , movies , music etc fully knowing what will result . They have destroyed everything that kept us strong and cohesive, knowing you have to destroy the old to bring in the new .
They could give us a very easy going culture , but they have given a perverted culture . This is done thru the music , hollywood , media , its ancient and well undestood . Plato would force the slaves watch the actors because he know they would emulate the stars ( you navigate by the stars ) They put the stars out there so the masses follow them . Those who own the media wct put out sick movies , twisted music , video games ect fully knowing what the results will be .
When prehistoric humans became "smarter" they invented agriculture, when the became even "smarter" they invented engines en electricity... Now we are with 6.5billion people and destroying the earth. Are we really smarter?
I have seen genuine cases of ADHD, so it is a real condition. That being said, its is still rare and because it is so easily medicated, it is WAY over diagnosed because it easier to give a kid pills than to actually treat them properly.
I can't believe I agree with you on this stef. I used to think that public education was a great thing, because education is key for human development. I think the one thing is we need to allow experience to be the teacher. allow kids to make their own decisions, and learn from mistakes.
thanks to being member to a family radicals, my education was largely self-managed and more was learned outside of the academic indoctrination curriculum than should have been possible, given the institutions. I agree with your observation of the current (read: past) education system
why dont they teach us astronomy , mythology , basic law or the origins of the english language ..... to claim one is educated and to not have an understanding of these subjects is the height of ignorance.
IQ test! Pick the word that doesn't belong: Cow; Moose; Deer: Kangaroo. ------------------------------------------------ This, was one of the few questions on an IQ test, that i didn't just guess at. "Deer" was the only word that didn't have the letter "o" in it. So i picked that one, realizing that this is the best answer to this question. The test said i was wrong. Which has an "o" in it, too. Yes, i knew the obvious answer was "kangaroo" but this was supposedly an IQ test! duh
Those who use the banking approach, knowingly or unknowingly (for there are innumerable well-intentioned bank-clerk teachers who do not realize that they are serving only to dehumanize), fail to perceive that the deposits themselves contain contradictions about reality. But, sooner or later, these contradictions may lead formerly passive students to turn against their domestication and the attempt to domesticate reality.
Wow, this is a very thought provoking video. Have you ever read mastery by George Leonard? He shares a lot of views with you about teaching. If you havent read it I would really recommend it.
Let's see how the 578 million dollar school in CA does. I personally doubt it will make any difference.
Your penchant for actually believing statistics, and without a doubt, "gains" in "IQ" points amazes me. I have a 150 IQ, and when i take on works written for the reading populace of fifty years ago, or before, I barely feel like an average reader. These "geniuses" you keep telling me about today I find a waste of time. I know, I have paid them wages and hoped I was wrong. Peace.
Stefan, you nailed it! As a kid I was one of the 2.2%, luckily in those days no one knew of ADHS so I escaped the drugging. But school was hell, and as far as I hear it's getting even worse. Teachers and peers hate it when you're smarter. And that hatred resultet in disobedience, all forms of discrimination and fights with teachers and kids. Later on alcohol became my solution, just to fit in that gulag. Will NEVER miss school, not for one day, not for an hour.
public school tought me nothing important in 10 years of compulsuary teaching!
I was banned so many times from history, ethisc and political teachings that I just gave up repeating utter bullshit for the sake of a grade not worth anything.
Not 1 certificate I made and bought realy paid in life!
@LastReplaySC every getto strat pimp and pusher new more about a free market than business scxhool could ever teach! They are just brainwashing people to function within a braindead non-choice inviroment!
@LunkwillFook My friend has a young boy age 8, she told me his teachers claimed he has ADHD. But that's just the start of it, they said he will never be able to spell like the other children of his peers. After watching the child sit glued to TV set I told my friend her son does not have ADHD, there is nothing wrong with his attention span. I decided to teach the child my way of spelling, he is now the best in his class and it only took 20 minutes. ADHD? Incompetent teaching more like. Sickening
@frostyuk2007 Television is the ultimate assault on the attention span. Camera angles, scenes, and shots never remain more than a few moments before changing. There are great books (remember those) on the subject.
The teacher must compete with the forms of entertainment available as the typical child's "babysitter" and that's about as much slack as I will give the teachers.
ADHD, ADD, etc, are ways to put fresh paint over a rusty, unsound junkyard car body.
@BabyHominid I agree with most of what you say apart from the televsion (and yes I'd prefer if everyone remembered the wonder of books too). However my point about the child watching TV is that his attention was completely focused. I used that focus to teach him something new, he wasn't doing bad in school because he couldn't pay attention, he was bad because the school couldn't keep up with him, they were boring him. The human mind learns quickly but schools teach slowly, it doesn't work.
@frostyuk2007 Television only implants a memory, which is recalled later. That's why TV advertising is so effective. Companies putting billions into ad campaigns is more than enough to support what I'm saying.
Rote and embedded memories, to me, do not fit the definition of learning. Learning something means one has a familiarity with it not just to recall it, but to make use of it, categorize it, and evaluate its relevance in a given situation.
I wasn't expecting what conclusion you came to, it was like I have been saying, but I never really "argued" the entire IQ points into these statistics.. when you do that, the entire thing wreaks of intellectual suppression. I always thought that it was the way the system itself victimized the free thinker, now its more about the one who can see the reality...which still is not only a viable argument but is more reliant to those who are actually smart (not those of us mistaken for it ;))
I used to feel shame for dropping out of highschool. Until I realized that my instinct to disobey was in fact a correct behavior. Upon reflection of my perosnal experience, the purpose of school was to teach me to obey. I now proudly tell people I fled obedience training. I still have many scars from it, however, and work daily to overcome it. Philosophy is my path to reconcilliation
I cant believe this video is from same source of 'why you are enslaved' i had to stop watchin at 6.51 because of disappointment
YEs we agree about coercive 'education' --bnut then you keep ravin about the 'free market' which is one of THE most destructive fukin oppressions known. You are seeming to say that THAt has nothin to do WITh 'education' and that 'intelligence' as gone up because of IQ--which actually is a ompletely social darwinist marker on 'intelligence'
Steff believes in free market as if he does not understand that in free market most powerful will surpress less powerful in a free market way - with their rights on property.
@Nomels I know. this is reason for my shock. i had ASSUMED he got it. I shared that other video with all contacts and EVEn write transript of it!! So it is massive disappointment to then see this. Oh well--we live and learn LOL
A 10 year old kid these days knows far more about human nature than I did when I was 20! The problem is, what do you replace the Victorian, sitting in rows, school system with. Perhaps now is the very best time to return to vocational schooling. Teaching young people skills/crafts/trades. Rather than the insistance that they learn pretty much useless nonsense that they're never going to need or use in their adult lives.
Education must begin with the solution of the teacher-student contradiction, by reconciling the poles of the contradiction so that both are simultaneously teachers and students.
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The more students work at storing the deposits entrusted to them, the less they develop the critical consciousness which would result from their intervention in the world as transformers of that world. (= so-called "banking education")
Don't forget that IQ is a rigid quantitative measure of measuring intelligence! Therefore it fits in rather nicely with the Statist paradigm of education, that compartmentalises learning/learners. Both Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences and Robert Sternberg's triarchic theory pose better approaches to the intelligence of children, often dismissing the idea of general intelligence.
I went to University when I was 28 as a mature student and "got it", education tries and makes you a machine mind with no personal creative insights achievable for yourself, only studying others achievments of past events! eg: a philosohphy of mind student said once "if i stop my brain from thinking i will be dead" when I was explaining meditation and the no mind state of creative insight!! Left brain Rules in accademia.
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"once you leave education, then learning begins" -Albert Einstein
I'm currently writing my master thesis. After being "educated" for almost 18 years now, I guess I'm ready for psychological treatment. After that I'll finally have the time to educate myself and prepare myself for the working life. I guess if I wouldn't have had the possibility to work as as intern/working, I would have killed myself. We have about 95% public universities here in Germany. Most professors are civil servants with lifetime contracts. They give a shit about the quality of lectures.
Ugh....I really hate these type of "We're smarter" videos. Here's a few factors to consider: New information we have accumulated and increased complexities of our present time in relation to our current knowledge. This is all relative throughout time.
There's a tendency for humans to elevate ones own culture above the ancient civilizations of the past without taking into consideration the absences of our current accumulative knowledge.
Consider the intelligence needed of the Mayans, Aztecs or Egyptians to do what they have done minus our current "served on a platter academic books" we have today.
I no longer teach full time in the public schools, although I have 25 years in teaching. I'm disgusted with the system...and the unions, and, and, on and on.
I teach under small, short contracts...make an impact ...and on my way...and I feel
that I am still touching lives....AND I use creative methodology!! Now there's an idea!
Magic words again Stef. I remember thinking exactly this as I sat bored out my wits in school back in the 90's. With all the innovations society had produced, our 'teachers' still sat at the desk at the top of the class barking orders to us to read out our silly homework to the rest of the class. A template I'm sure you'll agree which creates the hierarchical pattern we see in most aspects of this controlled society. But freeing the childs mind isn't in the states interests I suppose.
Its taking charge of ones Attention, focusing and learning how in a attention thirsty world filled with advertisements and gadgets, tv and computers. No wonder we are scattered
Hey Stefbot - How about quitting the Atheism themes and doing vids on intelligence. Intelligence is an elusive, vast theme and a highly important construct whereas Atheism is a dead-end for smart people: Once you understand "complex systems" and the existence of complex systems, one does not try to intellectualize "calculus" when "basic algebra" has yet to be identified fully. The point: Try and conceive "God" and you will be in way over your head! Good luck with that!
Also, in the future the Flynn will flatten out as all (hypothetically) are receiving adequate nutrition and the novelty of measuring effects of technology on brain development is fully reflected in the data as well. The smartest IQ'd of 100 years, 200 years ago...500 years would be the smartest of today if brought forward to the present and tested.
I agree with most of what you say Stefan (given how I barely survived public schools), the problems arise when you find that the majority of people are largely incapable of homeschooling or unschooling, either due to work or lack of intellectual capability (usually both).
I think a liberal combination of unschooling (watch?v=axoJSMwoXn4&NR=1 ) and gamification in public schools, injected modern tech like kindles into the mix could radically improve education to incredible standards. Thoughts?
InContemplation 4 months ago
The Prussians!; I knew it was them!
mgore90 4 months ago
The cutting edge schools use whiteboards and markers. =)
brendansechter 4 months ago 2
School took over a decade of my life away at gunpoint and I've spent years and dozens of books undoing all the bullshit they taught me, mostly about civics, politics and history. Hell, one of my favorite teachers that really loved science hated evolution so we didn't even learn that. I can recommend many books for anyone interested.
tekproxy 5 months ago
Some interesting and valid points. However, I think you are being a little unfair to the majority of teachers. The majority are not evil, controlling tyrants. They simply do not realise or question the system they are perpetuating. They just believe that they are providing a rounded and valuable education, rather than a Government guided training. They want to do good things, but do not realise the reality of their situation. BTW I'm not a teacher.
LostInFunk 6 months ago
@LostInFunk You're totally right about teachers caring. I have 4 friends that are teachers and I've spoken with many others. Not all of them have perfect knowledge of their field as a whole, just like no soldier is automatically a political expert about the war in iraq. The problem is that they don't control their classrooms and have to teach bullshit. The principal can't really help, his/her hands are tied, and the board can't really help. It's all controlled elsewhere instead of locally.
tekproxy 5 months ago
I really have to fundamentally question the supposed rise of people's/children's IQs in the last 100 years. I say this because it is very possibly that the means of measuring intelligence has changed - and may quite possibly be quite inaccurate, and possibly even be corrupt.
Consider this: Would the citizens of 1858, via a measurement system devised by them, consider us of 2011 to be as "intelligent" as we have deemed ourselves to be? I doubt it.
SororThothma 6 months ago
I was diagnosed with ADHD in high school and never once believed I really had. I consciously knew that my attention was easily diverted because school was MOTHERFUCKING BORING!!!
ShadowCrowX 7 months ago
I couldn't agree more. I was subject to violence when I was at school. I had special needs that made school very hard for me and I became suicidal as a result. Schools need to become more person-centred and teachers need to start listening to children.
modestymia 7 months ago
I run into 20 somethings on here all of the time who appear to be intelligent, but have a terrible misapprehension of history because of their abysmal public education. One kid told me that there is mostly racial purity in western civilization because interracial marriage was taboo until the 1970's or 80's. How do you even begin to address such a ridiculous idea?
pretorious700 9 months ago
Self education goes beyond any PhDs today.
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jcmmanuel 11 months ago
it all comes down to one four letter word "LOVE" how can u teach someone love when they don't know how to?
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eyejudgeeverything 1 year ago
hell yea!
i was told i had some sorta opposition against authority disorder (as far as i know it wasnt o.d.d. but...) ok well anyways all the a.d.h.d. drugs and crap screwed my friends up in some ways. thats why i will for the rest of my life refuse to take any meds for that kinda crap
homevidman1000 1 year ago
Agree with the basic message of the video. But from my understanding, many IQ experts don't fully understand the Flynn effect nor are ready to conclude that each generation is significantly brighter. For example, SAT scores which are highly correlated with IQ have been re-centered because scores had been declining. Also, the IQ gains that you're talking about would mean that today's average college student would have an IQ comparable to Einstein and smart ones would have surpassed him.
iamdspaz1 1 year ago
No, no, no. in the class I went there is a whiteboard with markers.
NeutrinoideReturns 1 year ago
I was one of those kids who hit the 99th percentile on standardized tests and had horrible grades, usually due to my disgust at the system and I admit some childishness (well I was a child!). It's good to know that it wasn't just me, the system wasn't designed for me. Schools are like labor unions for kids, they serve the needs of the dummies at the expense of the smart kids.
Thanks for explaining this so well Stef, I'll share this video far and wide!
TreachMarkets 1 year ago
Awesome man.
melissacarl2002 1 year ago
Before the advent of centralised education, children learned from those around them (emulation). Such learning is the most natural and profoundly powerful. The extension of this was the apprentice. But placing our children into a system that aims at producing a human resource in uniform has caused both our cultures and the control of society to fall into the hands of the most cold blooded and ruthless entities.
A great post and highly resonant with the meme flowing through our world.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 When I look at my own education I don't feel like I was being enslaved to become a resource for a cold blooded entity - I just understood that the point of school was to teach me the basics of math, english, and science for my own good after which I could choose my own path. Apprentices are great but you'd need so many to handle the number of students (parents have jobs...), and if kids learned from each other how would they learn more advanced concepts? School ain't that bad :)
radscorpion8 1 year ago
@radscorpion8 The entire system is based upon making you think in such a way. Yet what you miss in ots content is the world view of past and future that it seeks to insinuate. Thus we arrive in a time where materialism and avarice have come to rule. The very best prisons are not constructed of metal bars, but of self imposed rule. Now at what age might one start to grasp the future?
As for more advanced concepts, very few reside with the system today.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Exactly. The ONLY purpose of the system is to make you think in a certain way. If you're smart & aware enough to see the hypocrisy & abuse in the system, you're labeled, drugged, shunned & stigmatized. Those who condone, support & defend the system have bought the lie. School is babylon indoctrination center, for controlling people, dispensing vaccines, collecting information about families & punishing outcast crowd of free-thinkers. The divine IS manifest; this is hidden.
Marleyites 1 year ago
@radscorpion8. They missed so much from that basic maths stuff, almost deliberately negating the divine that is manifest. The essences that make you & I are never mentioned or shown there sacred nature.
In the way some accountants come to think they know the cost of everything but in doing so forget those values not measured by money.
pondman27 1 year ago
@radscorpion8 yeah what you say is true, learning can never hurt. What stef is saying that as well as teaching school controls. Children who are in need of a better systen get named mentally ill and are drugged up. That's the problem. Personally, being in school, I think if math and science are going to be taught you need good teachers. They have to understand math/science and teach it in a way that's interesting and applicable. I've learned nothing over years of memorixing how to solve for x.
benjacobp 1 year ago
@benjacobp Pt. 1: you can't "teach" anyone anything. you can only help them learn. with modern technology & transportation, there is no need for school in order to learn. you just need to promote interest in subjects & a small amount of guidance. once children love to read (by being read to starting as infants) & they love to work number problems (learned in life - like cooking & building projects w/ friends & family), they will find their true interest, then they take off like rocket.
Marleyites 1 year ago
I bit more knowledge into ADHD would certainly be refreshing. However I can understand where you are coming from, having a child of about two years of age. Watching your videos, gives me the impression of you being in love with your own ideas rather than constantly re-evaluating. You are motor mouthing the same lines of philosophical statements in your videos, throwing since long, digested packets of words just like a born again. Dear brother, a lot of what you are serving, has lost its mint.
mathlind 1 year ago
@stefbot Without Education would you be as smart and educated as you are now ?
Ungratefulness is what this video reeks of .
justmyself991 1 year ago
@justmyself991 Education does not come from a classroom. It comes more powerfully from experience. And as is increasingly evident, much of the subject matter that is promulgated through the system present today, is all but entirely worthless for self reliance and creativity.
My own education was largely a waste of time.
pondman27 1 year ago
@pondman27 Have you heard of this international law concept: the right of self determination? I just discovered it a few days ago & I'm looking for other creative free thinkers to discuss it with or perhaps share some of the research involved in verifying this theory/concept. 3w.therightofselfdetermination . com.
Marleyites 1 year ago
@justmyself991 I earned more from a computer than a teacher.
Emil246 11 months ago
The posts below which defend the schools or which attack Stephan must be from people who don't have kids in school. I have 4. The youngest is battling with reading but can speak 2 languages. Because of his reading "problems" he has been labeled with various prob's (dyslexia, etc.) in order to justify the failures of his teachers. My older teens want no part of the school system. I am required by law to send them and them must go, Each of them could test out but must attend until 18 yrs old.
woodyfbk 1 year ago
I would like this video 1000 times if I could. Excellent video Stefan.
renegade2142 1 year ago
Psychological propaganda that encourages throwing pills at problems thank you socialism... or rather thank you any governing body that has ever existed school is there to breed consumers whether it be private or public k-12 or college... all they want is more consumers and more sociopathic perdectionist control freaks... why do we need leaders? why does religion need to be organized? why is this world so hypocritical?
viciouscoyote 1 year ago
In the UK the chalk is gone. New learning spaces are a key part of the UK BSF deployment. Teaching assistants are in to support children in their learning.
Lots of learning is personalized. Assessment is still an issue we need to address but we are constantly trying to give children personalized learning opportunities that aren't part of the curriculum.
johnyma22 1 year ago
Oversimplified state-hate. The private sector is not a cure-all.
Capitalism utopia is the same as socialism utopia - great in theory, bad in practice.
mooky1977 1 year ago
I successfully survived 'public' school, avoiding most of the propaganda and bullshit essentially by ignoring everything, daydreaming through classes (or reading my own choice of books) and never doing homework. I accidentally learned a tiny bit of arithmetic (division), everything else I know I learned outside of school. It was simply a waste of over a decade of my life. Of course my refusal to cooperate did have consequences and I am still paying for it, 30 years later.
Panpiper 1 year ago 14
@Panpiper
Tell us some of the consequences. Social ostracism, as a guess?
chrispyt77 11 months ago
@chrispyt77 Economic ostracism rather, my social skills are quite good, for other reasons. I've no papers to prove anything related to education and that makes it quite impossible to apply for 'jobs' with most large companies. My solution to that has been to be self employed, which is not a bad solution.
And for any reader thinking that not paying attention to public school propaganda means I am now 'uneducated', I have PHD friends who consider me to be at their level. Self education does work.
Panpiper 11 months ago
@Panpiper I too am predominately self-educated, and have "paid" for it for the last 30 years (approx). Aside from copious amounts of empty, false, pseudo desirable luxuries and a toxic paradigm of consumerism - which is really all that mainstream life has to offer - I cannot see what I had to sacrifice. Those things, those illusions and lies, had to go by the wayside in order to perceive actuality more lucidly. And for all the hardship of so doing, it has been worth the effort completely.
SororThothma 6 months ago
What about the military? That's a state-run institution, and the technology for it has dramatically increased.
somecomputergeek 1 year ago
Where do you stand on forced Child Support for broken up families?
PlatinumGordon 1 year ago
our children are constantly stimulated? That seems to be a problem as well... Perhaps that is the reason why traditional teaching methods are less effective. We have a media obsessed culture, if there is not a dancing monkey teaching me mathematics, I do not want to learn..
I completely agree with you on the topic of reevaluating our school systems, but downplaying the importance of traditional teaching methods seems harsh.
mario919293 1 year ago
Same effect in the light plane industry. The FAA does not allow innovation in light plane engines--those engines are the same technology used back in the 1920's.
dooglio 1 year ago
In grade 9 I asked my math teacher "How do 2 negatives make a positive, if Two wrongs do not make a right?" I asked 5 teachers, not one had an answer other then "that is just how it is".
MasonicEyes 1 year ago
@MasonicEyes
The definition of wrong is an error. Negatives are not error they are subtractions.
Emil246 1 year ago
@Emil246 Yea but they could not explain to me how two negatives made a positive none of the teachers knew nor cared that was the point.
MasonicEyes 1 year ago
Everyone going on about how they had whiteboards in school is completely missing the premise.
MRTEED 1 year ago
Stef when did you join Blue Man Group? :D
fumanchu1k 1 year ago 13
You sure can find ancient technology used today. It is used by the history buffs and whole industries are built to provide the ancient technology to the history buffs.
lordmetroid 1 year ago
So the basic idea of this video is that educational systems became stagnant because of government involvement. It would be a stronger argument if there was no private education, or if an example of a better private education system could be shown.
Mind you I think part of the problem with our education system is that we treat everyone as if they were the same, instead of tailoring the education to the students abilities.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
@offroadjohnny Private education is better than public education.
Aryaba 1 year ago
@Aryaba In general, I am sure you are correct. But Stef did not site that. Indeed he almost made it sound like all education was public education.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
@Aryaba having guidance to learn from your own personal experience is bether than both........
jonnyking101 1 year ago
We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
qtronRobespierre 1 year ago
@qtronRobespierre Try building an integrated circuit by seeing it as "you" are - it won't work very well.
SimonKinland 1 year ago
Well, isn't the way water is delivered frozen in time also? Veinotte speaks of the current water systems being as historic and ineffective as they were when Romans created them.
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campaign4liberty 1 year ago
With the respect to 19th-century children being "dunderheads" you really should consider some of the published writing of John Taylor Gatto if you have not done so already. This misconception of 19th-century U.S. society is pervasive and one of the reasons we are stuck with compulsory government schools that simply do not work.
golefevre 1 year ago
Wow ... This vid is excellent Stef!! Great and educational as always. My jaw dropped when you linked the ADHD phenomenon to these primitive schools and their mind numbing curriculums.
It's so obvious but I didn't see it!
Thanks for plowing through through these ideas and sharing the truth with us Stef!!!
Iseeyoursoul 1 year ago
I don't know about you, but when I was in high school, they didn't use chalk. They either used a white-board, or a digital touch-screen that simulates a white board, except it doesn't work most of the time.
JETZcorp 1 year ago
@JETZcorp Ha! I was in elementary school in the 80s & chalk was still being used. By the time I was in Jr. High, some of the classrooms had whiteboards in them, & by high school (mid to late 90s) a few classrooms (that were still being used) had chalkboards. & I went to high school in a pretty wealthy area.
rockstarofredondo 1 year ago
That is a good point, once the government "guarantees" one of their entities( in this example in the form of a property tax that land owners are compelled to pay) , it loses the ability or motivation to innovate because they have created a de facto captive audience , who are at the will of a local bureaucracy .
So long as there is a property/council/school tax nobody will ever truly own their own land.
jvforever72 1 year ago
In fact, it is belived what we think of as a mental disorder was a HELPFUL condition when we were hunter gatherers, specicially the hunting part
Evnyofdeath 1 year ago
A few years ago I was diagnoses with ADHD, and I was on meds for awhile, but we quickly realized that all the drugs did was make me INCREDIBLY unstable emotionally
Evnyofdeath 1 year ago
The only thing that changed is it's now a white board with a marker.
Esoparagon 1 year ago
@RLNortonIII Stefan's original argument was, schools are using chalk boards things haven't changed for hundreds of years, which is inaccurate, except in Third World countries, and possibly some hic places in America, my argument was that Stefan's argument was inaccurate, how is this having it both ways ?
RevDevilin 1 year ago
well said.
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golefevre 1 year ago
In light of much of the writing and arguments from John Taylor Gatto, I tend to be skeptical of your assessment of mid-19th century children as "dunderheads." Lew Rockwell had a great interview with Gatto recently and it was essentially a brief summary of Gatto's lifetime work. I encourage everyone to have a listen and most certainly we have lost much of that spark that made us problem solvers and innovators as a people. (The Gatto podcast is over on Lew's blog.)
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golefevre 1 year ago
@golefevre , I'm reading into your comment but it seems as though you subscribe to the general belief by many that people are generally stupid and incapable of rational thought/action. This is a common assertion made by many in the media (especially the comedic commentary types). But I think that the article by Gato does not conflict with this vid at all. The vid is a comment how kids are beaten down by the system, while Gatto was looking at a system that lifted kids higher.
strokjl 1 year ago
Privately owned military industrial complexes operate all over the world. They privately own governments. We freely elect them, so they can do what their sponsors tell them to do. Because we are so scared to die, we accept slavery in exchange for freedom.
Nomels 1 year ago
IQ has almoust nothing to do with intelligence. IQ is like a quantity of intelligence, it changes from year to year, from breakfest to dinner. THe real intelligence, the ability to solve problems is "cognitive ability" or something like that(in ROumania is called abilitati cognitive). With this you are born and you stay like this forever, independently from what quantity of fish you eat or else.
unclesamfatg 1 year ago
Sorry, you start off with an anecdote, and go downhill from there. You're optimistic, but I don't see that the genetics for intelligence have improved in any definable manner. We're still the same species as back then. All your points about the ADHD and stuff is right on, but maybe we should just be satisfied with helping kids reach their potential, rather than declaring they're smarter than humans of the past.
Jollyprez 1 year ago
Awesome video.
aghoranathi 1 year ago
Homeschooling baby! A cursory glance of homeschooling will show that kids in such a system are actually more socialized than their public school counterpart. They're smarter, they think outside the box, inquisitive, and well ahead of public/private school kids. They get more direct education, better equipment, far more field trips,etc. If you don't care about your kids education, throw em to the government to fail them.
Grutch 1 year ago
Free market and private property system is the most destructive system in the world. OPEC privately owns most oil wells and pushes prices when there is demand for oil, by reducing the output.
Nomels 1 year ago
@Nomels
Errr, OPEC is a cartel formed by governments. Beyond me how you think it "privately owns oil wells".
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
@myusernameisluc
Government is just a form of private free market voluntary institution. Only because it is called government, it does not mean it is not voluntary, privately owned and free market.
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People voluntary pay taxes, freely vote :D, choose their masters/owners...
WHAT????
Government will kill you all or imprison you? Yeah.
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If one refuses to pay taxes, or if one refuses to follow arbitrary rules, force(i.e. being put in jail/shot/beat down) will be used by people forming a group called government. How is that "voluntary" or "free"?
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
Go Stephan! I work in education and this is sadly true, you read any Ivan IIIich?
tonytake2 1 year ago
Oh Steph , I'm sorry but this is rubbish . You are obviously a very intelligent and articulate man , please get a grip and stop all this State-bashing whilst ignoring all the appalling private behaviour that is arguably a greater threat to our freedom and the planet. Wishing we were on the same side , as you do speak well . Power to the People.
HelmetBlissta 1 year ago
@HelmetBlissta
What happens privately is insignificant compared to mass extortion and theft and hyper-regulation what governments and corporations do. Remember that corporations are giant legal(state) constructions to shift losses from individuals to the tax-cattle.
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
@myusernameisluc "What happens privately is insignificant" , I disagree ,the military industrial complex is more powerful than governments and will go to any lengths for profit , including starting wars , invading other countries etc etc . They are the hand inside the puppet politicians . I understand some here might call themselves Libertarians , I came here along an anarchy thread . Whats the difference between a neocon and a libertarian ? Sincerely helmet.
HelmetBlissta 1 year ago
@HelmetBlissta
The "military industrial complex" consists of corporations = state companies. It is the power of the state that's so dangerous. People in government make war.
I don't care what the difference between certain labels is.
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
'Empire Day' was introduced in Canadian schools in 1898 and in the UK in 1904. (Wiki).
robzrob 1 year ago
I fucking hate chalkboards, whiteboards ftw
snuffsan 1 year ago
@RLNortonIII I'm not entirely sure you could class America entirely as a first world country, as it has Third World elements within it's society, in central Europe most children have laptops, and classes are getting fitted out with some innovative technologies, even countries like Kazakhstan are updating their classrooms, Stefan's blanket statement is incorrect
RevDevilin 1 year ago
I don't get it. You said you agreed with her parents to take her back by a certain time and she said you didn't make that agreement. What am I missing?
juliecranford 1 year ago
@juliecranford
I didn't get it either
snuffsan 1 year ago
@juliecranford
He corrected himself to "My wife asked". He didn't personally ask.
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
I believe that this is unfair because teachers themselves are as much trapped as students. Teachers are forced to "teach to the test." Most are extraordinarily dedicated, yet cannot see through the control themselves. If teacher unions were busted, the level of creativity would go down even further because the State would have total power to smash individuality among teachers as well as students. Teachers and students are both victims of forces beyond themselves.
CHistrue 1 year ago
stefbot,
I don't understand the problem. The state doesn't want its surfs over educated. They must keep their tax generating cattle dumb in order to maintain control over them. As far as I'm concerned the state education system is exactly how they want it. When the population stops watching American idle and realizes their emperor has no clothes, then the jig is up.
bearing01 1 year ago
Schools still using chalk boards ?, are you talking about backwards Third World countries ?, I happen to work for a company producing IT equipment for schools and colleges, the only thing stagnant here is your knowledge of the modern educational system ;-)
RevDevilin 1 year ago
@RevDevilin
You got him there! He said chalkboards while they aren't that much in widespread use anymore(I still see them regularly), which proves he has no knowledge of the entire educational system!
That was sarcastic. Just to make sure.
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
@sftw007 You can't really compare kids with instruments. And istruments do evolve, they just create different sounds, therefore, become used with other genres. Classical music is "Classical", therefore, it's less willing to change for fear of no longer sounding classical, get it? To support the argument in this video, the education system is equivallent to forcing every aspring musician to learn only 12 years of classical music.
chadyo99 1 year ago
You shouldn't put too much stock in IQ, its a made up number having little bearing on a person's ability.
sparat1k 1 year ago
@sparat1k
While IQ doesn't give an exact level of abilities, it sure does give a great indication of intelligence..
myusernameisluc 1 year ago
good on you.!
DragonYearJoji 1 year ago
Stefbot do you realy think the big players what our children to have real knowledge . Real Knowledge is power , with real power our children would be a danger to those that own the world . So they are given some knowledge , just enough to become a standard citizen . So they work , Watch football , hollywood bimbos , trivia ect etc .
ozzycriss 1 year ago
ADHD is an arbitrary disease. IQ is an arbitrary scale. And don't you be so stupid to not understand this IQ number... I took the "official" IQ test and I know it's just bollocks. You claim "we" are "smarter". Who are we? What is smarter? What is progress? Is it the agriculture based on chemicals? The electronic propaganda? I don't think so... Furthermore I feel discomfort over your generalisation of teachers and in your insults to them. Don't you think there are people with good intentions?
sowiesosso 1 year ago
@sowiesosso he was trying to give a point of what kids have in a classroom not who.evin thow some not all but some schools now have labtops at there dest and thay have the power to rescerch and many more things at that desk.so its impoveing a bit but is this how we help our kids our futcher ?i may have bad spelling but thats from epalepsy a real reson not to have good schooling but on thes other points i think for the most part hes right
saur2244 1 year ago
@sowiesosso I never heard him slam teachers per say. He was pointing out the brain numbing education system. The best teacher in this system can only do so much...so we have to stop the system, not just put band-aids on it.
escapethecollapse 1 year ago
[...]Little computers, and dildos... [...] amazing things to stimulate her...
deadzior 1 year ago
I think stefbot is smart enough to undesrstand that culture is created from the top . This sick culture is by design created for whats coming down the pike . They have raised a generation on twisted video games , movies , music etc fully knowing what will result . They have destroyed everything that kept us strong and cohesive, knowing you have to destroy the old to bring in the new .
ozzycriss 1 year ago
They could give us a very easy going culture , but they have given a perverted culture . This is done thru the music , hollywood , media , its ancient and well undestood . Plato would force the slaves watch the actors because he know they would emulate the stars ( you navigate by the stars ) They put the stars out there so the masses follow them . Those who own the media wct put out sick movies , twisted music , video games ect fully knowing what the results will be .
ozzycriss 1 year ago
When prehistoric humans became "smarter" they invented agriculture, when the became even "smarter" they invented engines en electricity... Now we are with 6.5billion people and destroying the earth. Are we really smarter?
Mikannika 1 year ago
@Mikannika
We're not "destroying the earth"...stop listening to Al Gore and other elitists!
ashane77 1 year ago
@ashane77 You really haven't a clue, do you? Why are you in denial? Because you don't want to change your live?
Mikannika 1 year ago
@Mikannika
I have no idea what you're talking about you fool.
ashane77 1 year ago
@Mikannika You're dutch so what you say doesn't matter faggot.
Septimondo 1 year ago
I have seen genuine cases of ADHD, so it is a real condition. That being said, its is still rare and because it is so easily medicated, it is WAY over diagnosed because it easier to give a kid pills than to actually treat them properly.
johnycannuk 1 year ago
Remove the zero tolerance policy.
Emil246 1 year ago
I can't believe I agree with you on this stef. I used to think that public education was a great thing, because education is key for human development. I think the one thing is we need to allow experience to be the teacher. allow kids to make their own decisions, and learn from mistakes.
josda1000 1 year ago
thanks to being member to a family radicals, my education was largely self-managed and more was learned outside of the academic indoctrination curriculum than should have been possible, given the institutions. I agree with your observation of the current (read: past) education system
GoddaM777 1 year ago
@DiegoArcegaMZ You should watch the movie "Idiocracy" if you believe that... it's along the lines of what your saying I think.
ChoasTheory2000 1 year ago
he stimulates his daughter
screenflicker1 1 year ago
why dont they teach us astronomy , mythology , basic law or the origins of the english language ..... to claim one is educated and to not have an understanding of these subjects is the height of ignorance.
NeuroParadise 1 year ago
rongrite 1 year ago
Read Freire Paulo.
Those who use the banking approach, knowingly or unknowingly (for there are innumerable well-intentioned bank-clerk teachers who do not realize that they are serving only to dehumanize), fail to perceive that the deposits themselves contain contradictions about reality. But, sooner or later, these contradictions may lead formerly passive students to turn against their domestication and the attempt to domesticate reality.
Nomels 1 year ago
Wow, this is a very thought provoking video. Have you ever read mastery by George Leonard? He shares a lot of views with you about teaching. If you havent read it I would really recommend it.
Azmarith 1 year ago
Let's see how the 578 million dollar school in CA does. I personally doubt it will make any difference.
Your penchant for actually believing statistics, and without a doubt, "gains" in "IQ" points amazes me. I have a 150 IQ, and when i take on works written for the reading populace of fifty years ago, or before, I barely feel like an average reader. These "geniuses" you keep telling me about today I find a waste of time. I know, I have paid them wages and hoped I was wrong. Peace.
BabyHominid 1 year ago
@BabyHominid I call bullshit.
sigatus 1 year ago
"What do you want to learn today" must be the rarest words spoken in school today.
Sliptodance 1 year ago
Excellent , as usual :-)
nanciqwerty 1 year ago
Its a little intellectually dishonest to not mention one other proposed cause of the increase of IQ; better education.
RoyvanKeulen 1 year ago
Stefan, you nailed it! As a kid I was one of the 2.2%, luckily in those days no one knew of ADHS so I escaped the drugging. But school was hell, and as far as I hear it's getting even worse. Teachers and peers hate it when you're smarter. And that hatred resultet in disobedience, all forms of discrimination and fights with teachers and kids. Later on alcohol became my solution, just to fit in that gulag. Will NEVER miss school, not for one day, not for an hour.
This video spoke my heart. Thanks
LunkwillFook 1 year ago
@LunkwillFook agreed, school bored me stiff!
public school tought me nothing important in 10 years of compulsuary teaching!
I was banned so many times from history, ethisc and political teachings that I just gave up repeating utter bullshit for the sake of a grade not worth anything.
Not 1 certificate I made and bought realy paid in life!
It was all just one big time life waster!
LastReplaySC 1 year ago
@LastReplaySC every getto strat pimp and pusher new more about a free market than business scxhool could ever teach! They are just brainwashing people to function within a braindead non-choice inviroment!
LastReplaySC 1 year ago
@LunkwillFook My friend has a young boy age 8, she told me his teachers claimed he has ADHD. But that's just the start of it, they said he will never be able to spell like the other children of his peers. After watching the child sit glued to TV set I told my friend her son does not have ADHD, there is nothing wrong with his attention span. I decided to teach the child my way of spelling, he is now the best in his class and it only took 20 minutes. ADHD? Incompetent teaching more like. Sickening
frostyuk2007 1 year ago
@frostyuk2007 I think the problem is the TV.
sigatus 1 year ago
@frostyuk2007 Television is the ultimate assault on the attention span. Camera angles, scenes, and shots never remain more than a few moments before changing. There are great books (remember those) on the subject.
The teacher must compete with the forms of entertainment available as the typical child's "babysitter" and that's about as much slack as I will give the teachers.
ADHD, ADD, etc, are ways to put fresh paint over a rusty, unsound junkyard car body.
BabyHominid 1 year ago
@BabyHominid I agree with most of what you say apart from the televsion (and yes I'd prefer if everyone remembered the wonder of books too). However my point about the child watching TV is that his attention was completely focused. I used that focus to teach him something new, he wasn't doing bad in school because he couldn't pay attention, he was bad because the school couldn't keep up with him, they were boring him. The human mind learns quickly but schools teach slowly, it doesn't work.
frostyuk2007 1 year ago
@frostyuk2007 Television only implants a memory, which is recalled later. That's why TV advertising is so effective. Companies putting billions into ad campaigns is more than enough to support what I'm saying.
Rote and embedded memories, to me, do not fit the definition of learning. Learning something means one has a familiarity with it not just to recall it, but to make use of it, categorize it, and evaluate its relevance in a given situation.
BabyHominid 1 year ago
my teacher uses powerpoint
TinoTaliTintti 1 year ago
I wasn't expecting what conclusion you came to, it was like I have been saying, but I never really "argued" the entire IQ points into these statistics.. when you do that, the entire thing wreaks of intellectual suppression. I always thought that it was the way the system itself victimized the free thinker, now its more about the one who can see the reality...which still is not only a viable argument but is more reliant to those who are actually smart (not those of us mistaken for it ;))
AlterEgoTrip 1 year ago
I used to feel shame for dropping out of highschool. Until I realized that my instinct to disobey was in fact a correct behavior. Upon reflection of my perosnal experience, the purpose of school was to teach me to obey. I now proudly tell people I fled obedience training. I still have many scars from it, however, and work daily to overcome it. Philosophy is my path to reconcilliation
Helionaeic 1 year ago
I cant believe this video is from same source of 'why you are enslaved' i had to stop watchin at 6.51 because of disappointment
YEs we agree about coercive 'education' --bnut then you keep ravin about the 'free market' which is one of THE most destructive fukin oppressions known. You are seeming to say that THAt has nothin to do WITh 'education' and that 'intelligence' as gone up because of IQ--which actually is a ompletely social darwinist marker on 'intelligence'
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt s--ie children are ALWAYS intelligent till culture gets em
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt
Steff believes in free market as if he does not understand that in free market most powerful will surpress less powerful in a free market way - with their rights on property.
Nomels 1 year ago
@Nomels I know. this is reason for my shock. i had ASSUMED he got it. I shared that other video with all contacts and EVEn write transript of it!! So it is massive disappointment to then see this. Oh well--we live and learn LOL
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt ..... You PLONKER !
We haven't had a free market for hundreds of years!
nanciqwerty 1 year ago
@nanciqwerty if you read right you would dig thats what i meant--you plonker (rolls eyes)
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt
If you believe in a free market, don't write:-
"... the 'free market' (which) is one of THE most destructive fukin oppressions known."
nanciqwerty 1 year ago
@nanciqwertywhat the fuck are you talkin about?
zezt 1 year ago
A 10 year old kid these days knows far more about human nature than I did when I was 20! The problem is, what do you replace the Victorian, sitting in rows, school system with. Perhaps now is the very best time to return to vocational schooling. Teaching young people skills/crafts/trades. Rather than the insistance that they learn pretty much useless nonsense that they're never going to need or use in their adult lives.
CelticReject 1 year ago
Education must begin with the solution of the teacher-student contradiction, by reconciling the poles of the contradiction so that both are simultaneously teachers and students.
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The more students work at storing the deposits entrusted to them, the less they develop the critical consciousness which would result from their intervention in the world as transformers of that world. (= so-called "banking education")
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Freire
Nomels 1 year ago
Hey Stefan, great video.
Don't forget that IQ is a rigid quantitative measure of measuring intelligence! Therefore it fits in rather nicely with the Statist paradigm of education, that compartmentalises learning/learners. Both Howard Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences and Robert Sternberg's triarchic theory pose better approaches to the intelligence of children, often dismissing the idea of general intelligence.
RoriusMaximus 1 year ago
I went to University when I was 28 as a mature student and "got it", education tries and makes you a machine mind with no personal creative insights achievable for yourself, only studying others achievments of past events! eg: a philosohphy of mind student said once "if i stop my brain from thinking i will be dead" when I was explaining meditation and the no mind state of creative insight!! Left brain Rules in accademia.
Thanks
"once you leave education, then learning begins" -Albert Einstein
TIGDIF 1 year ago
I'm currently writing my master thesis. After being "educated" for almost 18 years now, I guess I'm ready for psychological treatment. After that I'll finally have the time to educate myself and prepare myself for the working life. I guess if I wouldn't have had the possibility to work as as intern/working, I would have killed myself. We have about 95% public universities here in Germany. Most professors are civil servants with lifetime contracts. They give a shit about the quality of lectures.
MrManuelNoriega 1 year ago
Ugh....I really hate these type of "We're smarter" videos. Here's a few factors to consider: New information we have accumulated and increased complexities of our present time in relation to our current knowledge. This is all relative throughout time.
gizmo2084 1 year ago
If they were "dunderheads" in the mid 19th century, The ancient Greeks and ancient Romans must have been mentally retarded by our standards.
baraqiyal 1 year ago
@baraqiyal,
There's a tendency for humans to elevate ones own culture above the ancient civilizations of the past without taking into consideration the absences of our current accumulative knowledge.
Consider the intelligence needed of the Mayans, Aztecs or Egyptians to do what they have done minus our current "served on a platter academic books" we have today.
gizmo2084 1 year ago
great video.
planktonicorganism 1 year ago
I no longer teach full time in the public schools, although I have 25 years in teaching. I'm disgusted with the system...and the unions, and, and, on and on.
I teach under small, short contracts...make an impact ...and on my way...and I feel
that I am still touching lives....AND I use creative methodology!! Now there's an idea!
marypoppins2009 1 year ago
Magic words again Stef. I remember thinking exactly this as I sat bored out my wits in school back in the 90's. With all the innovations society had produced, our 'teachers' still sat at the desk at the top of the class barking orders to us to read out our silly homework to the rest of the class. A template I'm sure you'll agree which creates the hierarchical pattern we see in most aspects of this controlled society. But freeing the childs mind isn't in the states interests I suppose.
scrufduf 1 year ago
How will your daughter be schooled Stef? Great video, but how do you change it?
herpiethelovebug 1 year ago
Its taking charge of ones Attention, focusing and learning how in a attention thirsty world filled with advertisements and gadgets, tv and computers. No wonder we are scattered
1mealperday 1 year ago
and with this IQ increase can someone explain why a youth who's cash register breaks down cannot make change ?
IS critical thinking increasing or is memorizing subjects constitute increased intelligence ?
I do not see critical thinking and I find that disturbing ~
RenegadeTimes 1 year ago
I am both blessed and cursed by being a Libertarian. I am blessed to see things how they really are. I am cursed for the same reason.
steve0281 1 year ago
Hey Stefbot - How about quitting the Atheism themes and doing vids on intelligence. Intelligence is an elusive, vast theme and a highly important construct whereas Atheism is a dead-end for smart people: Once you understand "complex systems" and the existence of complex systems, one does not try to intellectualize "calculus" when "basic algebra" has yet to be identified fully. The point: Try and conceive "God" and you will be in way over your head! Good luck with that!
qncsc 1 year ago
Also, in the future the Flynn will flatten out as all (hypothetically) are receiving adequate nutrition and the novelty of measuring effects of technology on brain development is fully reflected in the data as well. The smartest IQ'd of 100 years, 200 years ago...500 years would be the smartest of today if brought forward to the present and tested.
qncsc 1 year ago
Stef you need to get more in touch with modern schools. Blackboards and chalk are virtually gone. We have whiteboards and dry erase markers now!!
priapus512 1 year ago
@priapus512 lol....100s of years of progress...woohoo
kevin77v 1 year ago