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Hitchens argument is poor here. You can't picture a hypothetical world without religion right now because the world we live in now was built on religion, so how can you remove it.
It's like saying imagine the world without WW2, would we have made all these technological advancements that we have? Probably not.
@tkotomy I don't think Christopher is talking about suddenly vacating any and all references to the religious things in the world. He's saying that if right now, we were able to conclusively prove that Jesus etc. had never existed or were proven to be non supernatural (i.e. just human imposters) then this would be proof that these morals had just came from human beings rather than delivered from on high. As a result we're not gonna suddenly just start changing everything given that revelation...
So this is supposed to be a serious debate with experts in their respective ideologies, right? So why is it that the only one that can make any sort of well-thought response is Hitchens? The Rabbi makes an appeal to being comforted by a belief regardless of whether that belief is actually true or not and the Reverend basically uses pascal's wager. The competition isn't very high, to say the least.
God: where the morons get a sense of self when they are, in fact, good-for-very-little-losers. get your sense of self by doing something, by being a good person for your own sake, and your family.
Hitchens is expending his precious life energy fighting this fight for the salvation of the vast human population. No one is coming to save us folks, we have to face reality and save ourselves and shed the Bronze Aged religious dogma and get on with our modern planetary survival. Our very existence is threatened by religious extremism: Christian, Islamic and even Judaism. One of the religious fudruckers is gonna get a hold of a nuclear weapon.98% of earth's creations go extinct. End of humanity.
you know, i like hitchens alot, but i wonder really how good of a debater he really is....im sure any one of us would look very skilled in debating the existance of gravity against someone who beleives the earth is flat...he looks impressive because he's right. makes the whole thing much much easier
Baha, that last guy made me spit apricot juice all over my screen... He goes to answer the question, and he just says (paraphrasing slightly here): "I'm a massive dickhead and I give up" lol wtf.
The butterfly effect would probably mean that if there had been no reliagion, Christopher Hitchens would not exhist. :) Other than that I agree that religion is pretty screwed up...
What a waste of a life...We all have just one life, and some lunatics want to be steered through it by what is effectively, an 'Imaginary friend'!!!!....Off the fuckin scale brainwashing!!....tell you what ,let's all go out and kill each another-makes just as much sense!....."STOP IT!!"....you're fuckin scaring me...
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its just 2 sad 4 me the evils of the world 2 believe in god or rather practice a belief. if u have experienced REAL HELL in your life, i have i dont know 4 me i say even if there is a god, u like this? u call what goes on in this reality in total love? Shit that happens 2 kids, the poor in these corrupt countries etc. etc. all the good that happens just aint enough 4 me when u have a 9 year old girl gets blasted in the street. i just cant fuck with it. if i die and c god im just gonna walk on by
I have to be honest, I am no fan of religion but the Reverend Gomes gave the best answer to the God dilemma that I have ever heard. Even in stating what I believe to be an improper view of the world, his answer still came off brilliantly.
@ClumsyRoot My arguments are direct, as truthful as I am able to make them, and scientific. I do not begin stating as a given the thing I am trying to prove, which is what a circular argument does.
But you'll excuse me if I find "God did it" to be a bit premature.
We're still learning about how our universe works, and in time we may uncover a natural explanation for life and consciousness. And if we do, it still will have no bearing on the God Question, since believers can always maintain that God designed the universe so that life would arise naturally.
It's best to let science be science, and let religion be religion.
@ClumsyRoot So your case against a god’s creation or a god having a hand in it, hinges on a faith that in an unspecified branch of science at some unspecified point in time in the future, will reveal a mechanism for life and human sentience?
Do I have this correct?
Are you saying that there is no god,or that you don't know if there is one?
@ClumsyRoot If I could demonstrably identify a physical reason for me being here, it would have an enormous impact on my religious stance. I would think atheists would jump at a chance to administer this hemlock to a despised philosopher. Well, here I am. Fire away!
Its best to remove this archaic crutch before it chokes us to death with its idiotic, irrelevant, immoral teachings. And circular logic that its 'correct'. Because its gods word.
Before we remove the crutch, we need to heal the patient--but I'm not sure how, or even if, that can be done. On the whole, people are emotionally vulnerable, psychologically weak, and intellectually lazy. Even a vital, life affirming humanism will never be able to compete with the fantastic claims of religion. The best we can hope for, in my opinion, is a more moderate, humanistic form of religious faith.
Gomez has just plain been scared since his mummy's died. I have to say, as fucked up as he is... (is this the best Christians can do?) at least he's honest.
Good example of what Hitchens is talking about... what speed does everyone drive on the Freeway when there's no cops around? A: About the same as when there is one about.
P.S. When Pope and crew not diddling boys, now laundering money. (see news Dec 30th 2010). God are you catching all of this? Oh sorry, it's your 'master' plan I forgot.
Ah, bless the reverned, he's scared and needs god to console him. He truly is insecure at best, and is certainly emotionally and intelectually regressed. Just love each other, its a wonderful world. don't hide away in a church reading an old book over and over, and living your life through the contradictory instructions of a man who lived (apparently) 2000yrs ago. Consolation is not enough reason to believe. It ruins lives.
"Where do you go for a sense of direction?" Not a millenia-old book of faerie tales, that's for sure. I take stock of my life and see what needs to be improved and what needs to be removed and do my best to implement these changes. Reliance on religion is dangerous. When your all-powerful imaginary friend can't make things better, what do you do then? If some people can find peace in self-delusion, I congratulate them.
Rev. Gomes is not the first person to make this argument with Hitchens, that his position is somehow only for the intellectual, and the brave, and that Christianity is a religion for the weak. And this is supposed to be a point in its favor?
@vrghiks So when exactly did you decide that King James was God?
Or that he somehow knew a "better" version of Scripture...better than thousands of years of Judaism...you DID know Christianity sprang from Judaism, right??
Right?
Oh well...FYI, the oldest known Bible is written in Sanskrit.
@Gooberlicious54 Okay, in that case I guess I can let it go. He is god after all. LOL Did you see below where vrghiks claimed no one thinks for themselves? Oh, man. "Hey buddy, speak for yourself." He obviously is. LOL
@Gooberlicious54 Wait around long enough and ignorance will show up.That being said,King James authorized this inerrant word of God to be translated from the Greek and Hebrew. He had nothing to do with the translation!
@vrghiks Yes...Xactly; it doesn't matter 1 iota what religion (or not) one claims. It's a good bet that all people who are "religious" world-wide don't know what facing death is; let alone, hardship. They stay far away fr/ the thought of it. Just a grand mal epileptic who had 2 neurosurgeries.
the Rev. Gomes. all i have to say is wow. its time the human race bans together and thinks for themselves as a whole. People are so scared of thinking for themselves
@vrghiks Yes, people are taught. A rational person who is being taught then thinks for themselves whether what they are taught is true or accurate, whether it is supported by evidence, or whether they agree with it, etc, etc. If one doesn't do this, and allows themselves to be taught without any scrutiny, then one might just believe anything and everything they hear, like the Bible is the word of god, for example.
@AlchemicGnosis The Nazi's thought they were Christians. The Pope celebrated Hitlers birthday every year. They wore Christian symbols.it was O.K. with christian europe to expel the Jews, but they all turned them back. Secular America with its outstanding Humanist morals came to the rescue. Men of all beliefs who primarily believed in the rights of all men! I know because I am 95 and was there!
@ultramanprime9 Sadly, in 1939 the US Government failed to prevent the return to Europe of the MS St. Louis ( a German ocean liner). That ship had 930 Jewish human beings on board, who were trying to escape from Hitler's regime. By the time the war was over, most European Jews had died, including 264 of those 930 Jewish passengers of the St. Louis. It was a classical case of "too litlle, too late."
Sado masochists like the company of other sado masochists....otherwise they look like deluded , weak ponyboys. Like these two do ...trying to argue their delusions to an intellectual tiger like Hitchens.
If you do not need God, the debating on God's existence is not important. This statement was made by a "sad and undeveloped" human; as some atheists would say : ( I want hope and all I get is hate.
Where do you think you got your machine-stitched clothes, your air-conditioned house, your indoor plumbing so you're not living near a shit-filled hole in the ground, and the magic box you're typing into that instantly gives you endless entertainment, unlimited information and the ability to instantly speak to people all over the world?
When the Reverend made that comment circa 2:46 about rational self-interest, Milton Friedman, Adam Smith and Ayn Rand did a triple twist backflip in their graves. Talk about taking a total ignorant shit on everything that made the modern world around him. Disgusting.
Debates on both sides are just, God is Just as well funny how that works, but yet its one of the first things that is denied against Christians and anyone of any faith. Can have it both ways atheists and Theists. I was an atheist for years and debated at the Academic level etc but thats not the issue but i have a point and belief and faith just life Mr Hitchens. Get well soon i am praying for you.
Religion is not an insult it has obviously enhanced everything in life and everything we talk about, points from atheists, theists, christian faith, Rabbi's, Rev's. Faith is not a just another set of rules to live by.
“Love you enemies, do good to those who hate you, and pray for the ones who treat you with contempt” “If a man strikes you on your cheek, turn to him the other, do not answer evil with evil.”
Hitchens makes those comments from the context of a modern society and global culture that has been influenced by christianty for 2000 years. In fact, the morality that Hitchens is refering to is one born from christian influence even though he thinks that it is the human default. Hitchens just admitted that random sex in public is reprehensible. The Bible was the first to ever mention that fornication is wrong. Basically Hitchens enjoys a morality created by God.
As an agnostic I find Atheist arrogance and cockiness so annoying - why are you fucking BITCHES so anal? What died in your ass? If you were so sure you were so right - you wouldn't care to argue about it so much - the people who DON'T BELIEVE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO NOT CARE YET YOU CARE MORE THAN THE ONES THAT DO BELIEVE - FUCKING BUTT HURT BITCHES. THEISTS MIGHT BE COMPLETELY WRONG AND MISLEAD BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT STUCK UP COCKY ANAL BITCHES.
I'm an agnostic but I much easier to be a theist than an atheist. An atheist has to have an answer to this question: "Why is there something rather than nothing?" accredited to Leibniz without answering "An intelligent creator" (amongst other difficulties). For me, it takes MORE faith to believe such intricate creation came from nothing than to simply believe there is a infinitely powerful responsible for it.
@ahpacific do you need faith to believe in (as sam harris says) non-astrology? Thats a ridiculous assertion made by a supposed agnostic. You should know these arguments better by now. Don't insult other rational thinkers please.
@noLorik Only ignorant people who don't understand the most basic principles of deductive philosophy, such as yourself, would be offended by what I wrote. The principle of sufficient reason explicitly clarifies that there need be sufficient reason or cause for every existence and/or occurrence. To an atheist there is no ultimate cause & as a result the atheist is forced to accept the existence of UNIFORM infinities - a phenomena that is structurally more complex than a first cause.
@noLorik I didn't prove anything you said....I'm not trolling you fucking idiot & I AM an agnostic. There is no way you're actually offended/insulted because you don't have enough intelligence to create enough of an ego in you.
@ahpacific hehehe ok I will stop here, however i cannot but mention the countless times your arguments have been debunked by "your fellow atheists". As for the intelligence part, Id like to think that a scholarship of worth $60 000 per year can vouch for me. Not sure though. Anyway, please lets stop now,.
God is the most rational answer to our questions. Rationalists constantly refer to the power of the mind to argue against religion. Why? Because the power of the mind - as in a Supreme Mind - is the foundation of all logic. Ratio=mind girls and boys. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in your own mind. And, logically you don't - by saying that the mind is only a function of physical matter. If so stop babbling about rational thinking and intelligence. They don't exist.
God? Talking to yourseilf and consulting your mind. Perhaps reading what others have done in similiar situations? But God? Call it what you will you are speaking to yourself.
i am glad that i sought and sought and sought out GOD to only conclude on my own and all the evidence that GOD is. hitchens to me sounds like a bumbling idiot. just believing that GOD exist is not saying much. saying that one does not believe is not saying much. when hitchens looks back over his life all he may be able to see is how much time he spent thinking about something he hates...only in the end find out he was wrong....but it maybe to late....what a fool!
I told a friend of mine I didn't believe in god. He asked me why I wasn't raping women and killing people. I told him I didn't want to go to jail. There was silence; then we changed the topic.
I believe in A god. But I don't believe anyone knows truly who it is. Christianity is just ripped off from previous religions. The virgin birth, walking on water, crucifixion, rising three days later etc has all been used long long before jesus was supposed to have been around.
I know people are speaking negatively against peter gomez but truthfully I would have no quarrel with someone like him. I may not believe his rhetoric and think its misguided but he seems like the type of guy most christians are not. Most are arrogantly ignorant but he seems like a cool guy.
Hitchens makes a great point to disprove the always popular argument that with out god we would be immoral.God doesn't set my morals and I don't need a god to understand that it is immoral to kill or steal etc.
@punkzz1000 I haven´t stolen, murdered or raped anyone in weeks, and god can go f*ck himself, at least, if he existed he could. I´m more a moral person than any religious scrotum that I know
"I rather like the company of believers." Ugh. Not me. My experience of most believers is that they're emotionally insecure, intellectually incurious, and psychologically weak.
@ClumsyRoot so.now you're special because you're atheist or whatever u don't believe in. So in your experience all believers tend to be insecure,...blah blah blah..seriously who are you to say that. Have you miraculously become better than most people in society by rejecting the concept of a god. You are doing exactly some "believers" do except they use the term "non believer".
"Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God" .Francis Bacon
I think people in general are driven more by their own hopes and fears than by the evidence. Our species has a great capacity for self-delusion. The disinterested search for truth is a challenge most people can't, or won't, accept.
Religion works for the same reason advertising works.
@ClumsyRoot My experience of believers is that they first & foremost, are not idolaters. A close second is that they are more likely than not to be Classic Objectivists, which seek the truth without regard to their expectation of any particular outcome.
That's not been my experience at all. On the contrary, what stands out among believers is their willingness to accept the most fantastic claims with little or no supporting evidence.
And why this self-imposed credulity? Because religion, by telling us what we WANT to hear, meets certain emotional and psychological needs.
Do you think it's a coincidence that the most popular (and fastest-growing) faiths are those that assure us of a loving God and/or a blissful afterlife?
@ClumsyRoot I am the last person to argue in favor of or to excuse the misuse and abuse of religion.
There are at least as many criminals of the cloth, as there are sincere ordained ministers leading the human spirit to God.
God is powerful, so obviously horrible disgusting sick-O pagan perverts will abuse religion to obtain secular power, and to inflict a bloody horror upon humanity for the sheer blood lust of it.
No argument here, although I'd add that the concept of God is itself a recipe for abuse: A person can justify all sorts of horrific acts if he claims to have divine mandate, and the various holy books of the world are chock full of examples of God Himself engaging in truly reprehensible behavior.
@ClumsyRoot ….and people are able to justify all sorts of criminality and horrific acts because what the heck, if there is no god then people are only biological machines to be taken advantage of.
Matter of fact that is EXACTLY the tack that the New World Order is taking.
Yes! Which only proves that people will be people, whether they believe in God or not. I see no evidence that religion acts as any kind of restraint on anyone's behavior.
Hitchens owned them with logic. The other guy uses some imaginary mirror of God hokey pokey crap and the black guy just says something to get a few laughs. Religious people should stop having these conversations with rationally thinking people in the same room. It just makes them look foolish.
Chris Hitchens hit the nail right on the head: "If there was no 'God', and there were no prophets and no 'Revelation', our moral dilemmas would be exactly as they are NOW." What's more, someone else has pointed out that when we mere mortals need to make a choice that presents a moral dilemma, we in fact make the right choice ... DESPITE what scriptures say---NOT at all THANKS to what scriptures say. Really, we would be stoning adulterous women on the edge of town every Friday eve, BY SCRIPTURE
@Austyg ... if there was no god and there were no prophets and no revelation and our moral dilemmas would be exactly as they are now, then why do you have a problem with religion?.... seems to me, whether religion exists or not, atheists should just leave religion alone, then
@js1268 Religion does not leave us alone. God may not exist, but his followers are everywhere. I live in New York City. I suppose I can live with the rather innocuous semi-regular subway preachers telling us all we are going to suffer eternally, though imagine atheists did that to you. I don't need to remind you that we had a shocking revelation of the harms of religious fervor about nine years ago in our fair city. One of only two foreign attacks on American soil since the Mexican-American War.
@js1268 Or how about the hindrance of science and social progress? My grandfather died with Parkinson's Disease. Stem cell research has shown promising results in this field. What about intelligent design in schools? Where would bigotry against homosexuals find its foothold without Christianity? I don't mean to insult. This is my perspective on how religion affects me as an atheist. This is also not all religious people, but some of these issues couldn't exist without religion.
@BrooklynRagtag agree with what you say except for one thing...you say this is your perspective on how religion affects you as an atheist, but i say is more than a perspective, but actually fact! Religion affects everyone, including my mother who is giving 10% of her earnings to her church when she could be saving it for things that actually matter.
@wanderlei85 Sorry about your mother. I know how it is to watch something like that from a loved one.
You are right that it is a fact, but I've recently examined my approach to these sorts of forums. Combative and accusatory language closes the dialogue and I want religious people to evaluate their beliefs instead of putting up defenses. I'm sure you agree that the world would be better if everyone did that and I'm trying to do my tiny part for a kinder, more rational world. Be well. -BR
i dont wana... i dont wana... boo hoo hoo... be rational... i am thick but old and endering, did i win the debate? (no you didn't, not even with the smug little grin at the end... sorry)
yeah...that's the rub! not brave enough to take responsibility for their own life or smart enough to figure out how.....OKay case closed....can we give up the bullshit religion now??
@cablepanos I remember Matt on Atheist Experience once said (as a replay to one nutshell) "when you cant think for yourself not wonder you believe in god", i rly like that one :)
@cablepanos that rev gomes is the dumbest man i have ever seen in all of religion! seriously! he actualy just basically said "i'm not brave enough or smart enough to live without god, i'd rather believe in something that isn't there. i can't conceive of a universe without god and i'd like to think god couldn't conceive of one without me"
@Freethinker12341 No no, he is a perfect religious follower, never questioning, never stirring things up. Why else would he be there as a representative?? You certainly wouldn't want someone with independent thought now, would you?
@Freethinker12341 yea, he's admitted to being a sheep. It's like if a politician knew of something that would upset the populous he would intentionally lie to the public just so that there wouldn't be any riots. and so he would be the one who would believe what was said without question. what a dickhead.
Jesus freaks and right wing facist simpletons are already touting that god gave Hitchens throat cancer to stop his condemnation of the church and christianity. I despise all religious people. Fuck your god!
@cablepanos Rev. Gomez is neither stupid nor scared. What he is, is humble before the eyes of God. He correctly interprets his (and presumably other's) strength that is incompatible with the weakness he observes in human flesh, to God.
@centurion180ad "I am neither smart enough or brave enough to function in a universe without the god construct. I don't want to think I'm here all on my own, and I don't want to have to think that I have to make it all up on my own." He is saying that he isn't brave enough and doesn't want to have to think for himself. He wants to be spoon-fed beliefs. It is easier and more comfortable to not have to think about it. He's not comfortable with not knowing. Easier to believe than to not know.
All three of them have very good/beautiful answers. It seems clear to me that honest believers as these two do no harm, even do some good with their beliefs.
And even though I am agnostic, I don't have a problem with them. The moment I begin to have a problem with religion is when it becomes fanatic, which these two clearly are not an example of in this clip. I haven't done any research on them, so correct me if I'm wrong if you want to.
It's not just what they do, it's about the mindset that religion creates. That's Hitchen's greater argument. Abrahamics are all about death, in this life they are told they are worthless and so is everybody else. Therefore, their focus is only on the end, and this comes at the expense of civilization in general.
It's so sad... It seems like Rev.Peter Gomes is a kind soft spoken guy but many people don't use the religious beliefs in a good way like he does. Most use religious belief in a way that damages society.
Hate to say it, but the reverend looks like he just came back out of an ancient coffin.
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
gomes is god
zigjams 3 months ago
It's a bit quiet…
jasonhuk 6 months ago in playlist Christopher Hitchens (Miscellaneous)
Hilarious! Now not only do we have to believe in an imaginary god, now we have to believe in an imaginary mirror that belongs to god? a mirror? WTF?
beastshawnee 6 months ago
Hitchens argument is poor here. You can't picture a hypothetical world without religion right now because the world we live in now was built on religion, so how can you remove it.
It's like saying imagine the world without WW2, would we have made all these technological advancements that we have? Probably not.
tkotomy 6 months ago
@tkotomy I don't think Christopher is talking about suddenly vacating any and all references to the religious things in the world. He's saying that if right now, we were able to conclusively prove that Jesus etc. had never existed or were proven to be non supernatural (i.e. just human imposters) then this would be proof that these morals had just came from human beings rather than delivered from on high. As a result we're not gonna suddenly just start changing everything given that revelation...
jacderida 6 months ago
Rabbi is not intelligent.
tkotomy 6 months ago
Am I deaf ?
batmanFAN07 7 months ago
So this is supposed to be a serious debate with experts in their respective ideologies, right? So why is it that the only one that can make any sort of well-thought response is Hitchens? The Rabbi makes an appeal to being comforted by a belief regardless of whether that belief is actually true or not and the Reverend basically uses pascal's wager. The competition isn't very high, to say the least.
Makingnewnamesisdumb 7 months ago
God: where the morons get a sense of self when they are, in fact, good-for-very-little-losers. get your sense of self by doing something, by being a good person for your own sake, and your family.
Pemphetru 8 months ago
Hitchens is expending his precious life energy fighting this fight for the salvation of the vast human population. No one is coming to save us folks, we have to face reality and save ourselves and shed the Bronze Aged religious dogma and get on with our modern planetary survival. Our very existence is threatened by religious extremism: Christian, Islamic and even Judaism. One of the religious fudruckers is gonna get a hold of a nuclear weapon.98% of earth's creations go extinct. End of humanity.
Charlotte333 8 months ago
you know, i like hitchens alot, but i wonder really how good of a debater he really is....im sure any one of us would look very skilled in debating the existance of gravity against someone who beleives the earth is flat...he looks impressive because he's right. makes the whole thing much much easier
paegun 8 months ago
Volume too soft, can't hear this video
xNoReligionx 8 months ago
Can't hear shit.
gojuryu83 8 months ago
Christopher Hitchens is like a lion amongst a bunch of chickens.
Kruezoraxe 10 months ago 10
Inaudible.
fileboy2002 10 months ago
it's obvious the rev. & preacher (& that lady) are fearing TFSM. ;)-lol
davemelnick 10 months ago
WHAT?????????? Speak up!!!
elfbride 10 months ago
I have maxed my volume and can't hear shit...>_>
Hermoor 10 months ago 2
@Hermoor I can hear this fine. Must be your pc
blueray1969 9 months ago
Baha, that last guy made me spit apricot juice all over my screen... He goes to answer the question, and he just says (paraphrasing slightly here): "I'm a massive dickhead and I give up" lol wtf.
LeatherCladVegan 10 months ago
The butterfly effect would probably mean that if there had been no reliagion, Christopher Hitchens would not exhist. :) Other than that I agree that religion is pretty screwed up...
ACbonscottDC 10 months ago
God be with Rev. Gomes. May he rest in peace.
timeinabottle23 11 months ago
RIP Rev. Rev Gomes.
ivlfounder 11 months ago
I had to turn my volume up to the max and its still quiet
Thoughtland 11 months ago 11
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MagnetoMasterOfEvil 11 months ago
Who the hell mixed this.
stratman06 11 months ago
What a waste of a life...We all have just one life, and some lunatics want to be steered through it by what is effectively, an 'Imaginary friend'!!!!....Off the fuckin scale brainwashing!!....tell you what ,let's all go out and kill each another-makes just as much sense!....."STOP IT!!"....you're fuckin scaring me...
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Reaperlastfm 1 year ago
its just 2 sad 4 me the evils of the world 2 believe in god or rather practice a belief. if u have experienced REAL HELL in your life, i have i dont know 4 me i say even if there is a god, u like this? u call what goes on in this reality in total love? Shit that happens 2 kids, the poor in these corrupt countries etc. etc. all the good that happens just aint enough 4 me when u have a 9 year old girl gets blasted in the street. i just cant fuck with it. if i die and c god im just gonna walk on by
DB99Eternal 1 year ago
Gomes is so ignorant he embarreses the word.
skepticalinquier 1 year ago
That colored fellow just literally said, "I don't want to think on my own" Atheism wins.
64bitWar 1 year ago
I have to be honest, I am no fan of religion but the Reverend Gomes gave the best answer to the God dilemma that I have ever heard. Even in stating what I believe to be an improper view of the world, his answer still came off brilliantly.
Punishment247 1 year ago
@Punishment247 LEAVE TROLL!
brod2man 1 year ago
I would love to know what was going through Hitch's head when Gomes was prattling on. He even cracked a smile and had to look away @ 2:37.
i3u7n5 1 year ago
If there were no God, then we would not be here for God to be able to experience himself in the physical world.
In a pure physical universe, there would be no humanity. There is no other good reason for so much life to be crawling about.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
Love those circular arguments. :)
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot My arguments are direct, as truthful as I am able to make them, and scientific. I do not begin stating as a given the thing I am trying to prove, which is what a circular argument does.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
Fair enough, but I don't think that that God's existence is either self-evident or logically necessary, which is what you implied.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot For the sake of argument let’s say there is no god and that all that there is, is physical dynamics.
1. What is the physical law that //of necessity// gives rise to life?
2. What is the physical law that //of necessity// gives rise to sentience?
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
1. I don't know.
2. I don't know.
But you'll excuse me if I find "God did it" to be a bit premature.
We're still learning about how our universe works, and in time we may uncover a natural explanation for life and consciousness. And if we do, it still will have no bearing on the God Question, since believers can always maintain that God designed the universe so that life would arise naturally.
It's best to let science be science, and let religion be religion.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot So your case against a god’s creation or a god having a hand in it, hinges on a faith that in an unspecified branch of science at some unspecified point in time in the future, will reveal a mechanism for life and human sentience?
Do I have this correct?
Are you saying that there is no god,or that you don't know if there is one?
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
I have no idea if there's a God or not. I was just saying that one can reconcile a belief in God with WHATEVER we discover about our universe.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot If I could demonstrably identify a physical reason for me being here, it would have an enormous impact on my religious stance. I would think atheists would jump at a chance to administer this hemlock to a despised philosopher. Well, here I am. Fire away!
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
LOL! I can't help you there. All I know is, I'm here, and I'd like to stick around for as long as I can. :)
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot
Its best to remove this archaic crutch before it chokes us to death with its idiotic, irrelevant, immoral teachings. And circular logic that its 'correct'. Because its gods word.
TheLordValarath 1 year ago
@TheLordValarath
Before we remove the crutch, we need to heal the patient--but I'm not sure how, or even if, that can be done. On the whole, people are emotionally vulnerable, psychologically weak, and intellectually lazy. Even a vital, life affirming humanism will never be able to compete with the fantastic claims of religion. The best we can hope for, in my opinion, is a more moderate, humanistic form of religious faith.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
Gomez has just plain been scared since his mummy's died. I have to say, as fucked up as he is... (is this the best Christians can do?) at least he's honest.
Good example of what Hitchens is talking about... what speed does everyone drive on the Freeway when there's no cops around? A: About the same as when there is one about.
P.S. When Pope and crew not diddling boys, now laundering money. (see news Dec 30th 2010). God are you catching all of this? Oh sorry, it's your 'master' plan I forgot.
ospTube 1 year ago
that reverend gomes is so pathetic and weak lol
Freethinker12341 1 year ago
i love the company of people who cant or dont want to think for themselves !
MrDasmaster 1 year ago
Ah, bless the reverned, he's scared and needs god to console him. He truly is insecure at best, and is certainly emotionally and intelectually regressed. Just love each other, its a wonderful world. don't hide away in a church reading an old book over and over, and living your life through the contradictory instructions of a man who lived (apparently) 2000yrs ago. Consolation is not enough reason to believe. It ruins lives.
sids500 1 year ago
gah! the volume.
charcoaljohnson 1 year ago 56
@charcoaljohnson pardon?
321bytor 8 months ago
wow, that reverend is a sad excuse for a human being.
saburoemon 1 year ago 2
"Where do you go for a sense of direction?" Not a millenia-old book of faerie tales, that's for sure. I take stock of my life and see what needs to be improved and what needs to be removed and do my best to implement these changes. Reliance on religion is dangerous. When your all-powerful imaginary friend can't make things better, what do you do then? If some people can find peace in self-delusion, I congratulate them.
TheWorstWarlock 1 year ago
Get some Hamza Yusuf up in here! He'll own everyone.
fandanstan 1 year ago
Rev. Gomes is not the first person to make this argument with Hitchens, that his position is somehow only for the intellectual, and the brave, and that Christianity is a religion for the weak. And this is supposed to be a point in its favor?
AHPMB 1 year ago
I have never been religious and have never commited a crime, or for all of you christians broke one of those 10 bad mothas, rofl
jdlmbgh 1 year ago
Name calling is a typical response from the ignorant and unlearned!
vrghiks 1 year ago
@vrghiks "Name calling is a typical response from the ignorant and unlearned!"
So calling me ignorant and unlearned means that you are ignorant and unlearned? Um, okay...
LOL!!!
I love it when these religitards pwn themselves with their own words.
What a douchebag hypocrite.
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@vrghiks So when exactly did you decide that King James was God?
Or that he somehow knew a "better" version of Scripture...better than thousands of years of Judaism...you DID know Christianity sprang from Judaism, right??
Right?
Oh well...FYI, the oldest known Bible is written in Sanskrit.
So much for the KJV.
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 Hey! You stole my King James realization and used it without permission, acknowledgement, or giving me credit! LOL
cablepanos 1 year ago
@cablepanos I prayed to King James and He said it was okay!
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 Okay, in that case I guess I can let it go. He is god after all. LOL Did you see below where vrghiks claimed no one thinks for themselves? Oh, man. "Hey buddy, speak for yourself." He obviously is. LOL
cablepanos 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 Wait around long enough and ignorance will show up.That being said,King James authorized this inerrant word of God to be translated from the Greek and Hebrew. He had nothing to do with the translation!
So much for your vain blah,blahs.
vrghiks 1 year ago
@vrghiks "Wait around long enough and ignorance will show up."
I did not have to wait - you were here when I arrived.
"King James authorized this inerrant word of God"
So "inerrant" that they didn't even have (or need, apparently) the Dead Sea scrolls that contain much of the Pentateuch.
Speaking of ignorance. LOL
"So much for your vain blah, blahs"
So much for your lies and false claims...especially now that they've been exposed as such.
Got anything else? ;)
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@vrghiks Ah, so no evidence for your claims.
Why oh WHY am I not surprised?
Why are all the religious loonies on youtube such fucking dishonest little pricks? WHY???
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@vrghiks Yes...Xactly; it doesn't matter 1 iota what religion (or not) one claims. It's a good bet that all people who are "religious" world-wide don't know what facing death is; let alone, hardship. They stay far away fr/ the thought of it. Just a grand mal epileptic who had 2 neurosurgeries.
davemelnick 10 months ago
Talk religion until you are blue in the face,but God's word is final!
vrghiks 1 year ago
@vrghiks "God's word is final!"
Which version? LOL
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 God's version! KJV Bible.All others are watered down versions
from man's point of view.
vrghiks 1 year ago
@vrghiks "God's version! KJV Bible"
LMAO!!!! What a complete idiot.
The Bible wasn't written in English you moron.
Gooberlicious54 1 year ago
@Gooberlicious54 Holy shit! I didn't know King James was God! LOL!
cablepanos 1 year ago
the Rev. Gomes. all i have to say is wow. its time the human race bans together and thinks for themselves as a whole. People are so scared of thinking for themselves
BlakeC94 1 year ago
@BlakeC94 No one thinks for themselves,people are taught.You yourself are being
taught by others as well as the others being taught by someone else! who's your teacher?
vrghiks 1 year ago
@vrghiks 1) ever heard of a figure of speech 2) that was the most "smartass" comment ive recieved on youtube in awhile
BlakeC94 1 year ago
@vrghiks Yes, people are taught. A rational person who is being taught then thinks for themselves whether what they are taught is true or accurate, whether it is supported by evidence, or whether they agree with it, etc, etc. If one doesn't do this, and allows themselves to be taught without any scrutiny, then one might just believe anything and everything they hear, like the Bible is the word of god, for example.
cablepanos 1 year ago
Hmm. They are not in the same seating arrangement they are in in other videos from the same meeting. Is there a full version somewhere?
AtheistdotEDU 1 year ago
@AlchemicGnosis The Nazi's thought they were Christians. The Pope celebrated Hitlers birthday every year. They wore Christian symbols.it was O.K. with christian europe to expel the Jews, but they all turned them back. Secular America with its outstanding Humanist morals came to the rescue. Men of all beliefs who primarily believed in the rights of all men! I know because I am 95 and was there!
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Robarfernandez 1 year ago
@ultramanprime9 Sadly, in 1939 the US Government failed to prevent the return to Europe of the MS St. Louis ( a German ocean liner). That ship had 930 Jewish human beings on board, who were trying to escape from Hitler's regime. By the time the war was over, most European Jews had died, including 264 of those 930 Jewish passengers of the St. Louis. It was a classical case of "too litlle, too late."
Robarfernandez 1 year ago
@ultramanprime9
Your channel says you're 64 years old...
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
Sado masochists like the company of other sado masochists....otherwise they look like deluded , weak ponyboys. Like these two do ...trying to argue their delusions to an intellectual tiger like Hitchens.
ultramanprime9 1 year ago
If you do not need God, the debating on God's existence is not important. This statement was made by a "sad and undeveloped" human; as some atheists would say : ( I want hope and all I get is hate.
LampPlaceThing 1 year ago
@AlchemicGnosis
Answer the question.
EGarrett01 1 year ago
@AlchemicGnosis
Where do you think you got your machine-stitched clothes, your air-conditioned house, your indoor plumbing so you're not living near a shit-filled hole in the ground, and the magic box you're typing into that instantly gives you endless entertainment, unlimited information and the ability to instantly speak to people all over the world?
EGarrett01 1 year ago
When the Reverend made that comment circa 2:46 about rational self-interest, Milton Friedman, Adam Smith and Ayn Rand did a triple twist backflip in their graves. Talk about taking a total ignorant shit on everything that made the modern world around him. Disgusting.
EGarrett01 1 year ago
Debates on both sides are just, God is Just as well funny how that works, but yet its one of the first things that is denied against Christians and anyone of any faith. Can have it both ways atheists and Theists. I was an atheist for years and debated at the Academic level etc but thats not the issue but i have a point and belief and faith just life Mr Hitchens. Get well soon i am praying for you.
keepingthefaith33 1 year ago
Religion is not an insult it has obviously enhanced everything in life and everything we talk about, points from atheists, theists, christian faith, Rabbi's, Rev's. Faith is not a just another set of rules to live by.
keepingthefaith33 1 year ago
“Love you enemies, do good to those who hate you, and pray for the ones who treat you with contempt” “If a man strikes you on your cheek, turn to him the other, do not answer evil with evil.”
digital0707neo 1 year ago
Hitchens makes those comments from the context of a modern society and global culture that has been influenced by christianty for 2000 years. In fact, the morality that Hitchens is refering to is one born from christian influence even though he thinks that it is the human default. Hitchens just admitted that random sex in public is reprehensible. The Bible was the first to ever mention that fornication is wrong. Basically Hitchens enjoys a morality created by God.
revolutionstrtr 1 year ago
As an agnostic I find Atheist arrogance and cockiness so annoying - why are you fucking BITCHES so anal? What died in your ass? If you were so sure you were so right - you wouldn't care to argue about it so much - the people who DON'T BELIEVE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO NOT CARE YET YOU CARE MORE THAN THE ONES THAT DO BELIEVE - FUCKING BUTT HURT BITCHES. THEISTS MIGHT BE COMPLETELY WRONG AND MISLEAD BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE NOT STUCK UP COCKY ANAL BITCHES.
ahpacific 1 year ago
I'm a huge Hitchens fan.....but it must be admitted here: If the debate were judged on ear size, the rabbi would KICK ASS!
If he got those fuckers flapping he could fly right off the stage.
He should have avoided circumcision, and instead went after a trim on those ears.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
why is sound so low
dadirtysoufbowss 1 year ago
Without god you wouldn't have a conscience which was implanted by god.
thesmashmaster 1 year ago
I'm an agnostic but I much easier to be a theist than an atheist. An atheist has to have an answer to this question: "Why is there something rather than nothing?" accredited to Leibniz without answering "An intelligent creator" (amongst other difficulties). For me, it takes MORE faith to believe such intricate creation came from nothing than to simply believe there is a infinitely powerful responsible for it.
ahpacific 1 year ago
@ahpacific do you need faith to believe in (as sam harris says) non-astrology? Thats a ridiculous assertion made by a supposed agnostic. You should know these arguments better by now. Don't insult other rational thinkers please.
noLorik 1 year ago
@noLorik Only ignorant people who don't understand the most basic principles of deductive philosophy, such as yourself, would be offended by what I wrote. The principle of sufficient reason explicitly clarifies that there need be sufficient reason or cause for every existence and/or occurrence. To an atheist there is no ultimate cause & as a result the atheist is forced to accept the existence of UNIFORM infinities - a phenomena that is structurally more complex than a first cause.
ahpacific 1 year ago
@ahpacific hehe, just proved my point. Stop trolling and hiding behind the agnostic/atheist cloak. Again, it is insulting to us.
noLorik 1 year ago
@noLorik I didn't prove anything you said....I'm not trolling you fucking idiot & I AM an agnostic. There is no way you're actually offended/insulted because you don't have enough intelligence to create enough of an ego in you.
ahpacific 1 year ago
@ahpacific hehehe ok I will stop here, however i cannot but mention the countless times your arguments have been debunked by "your fellow atheists". As for the intelligence part, Id like to think that a scholarship of worth $60 000 per year can vouch for me. Not sure though. Anyway, please lets stop now,.
noLorik 1 year ago
God is the most rational answer to our questions. Rationalists constantly refer to the power of the mind to argue against religion. Why? Because the power of the mind - as in a Supreme Mind - is the foundation of all logic. Ratio=mind girls and boys. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in your own mind. And, logically you don't - by saying that the mind is only a function of physical matter. If so stop babbling about rational thinking and intelligence. They don't exist.
mireklalas 1 year ago
God? Talking to yourseilf and consulting your mind. Perhaps reading what others have done in similiar situations? But God? Call it what you will you are speaking to yourself.
kybelian 1 year ago
The sound quality SUCKS!!!
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@Hereticalable
Im really sorry I hope you can understand, I just cant find it in me that nothing begats nothing..I just don't have the faith in me to.
How much money do people like Hitchens and Dawkins make from atheism?
ImagesByDavid 1 year ago
i am glad that i sought and sought and sought out GOD to only conclude on my own and all the evidence that GOD is. hitchens to me sounds like a bumbling idiot. just believing that GOD exist is not saying much. saying that one does not believe is not saying much. when hitchens looks back over his life all he may be able to see is how much time he spent thinking about something he hates...only in the end find out he was wrong....but it maybe to late....what a fool!
crhoads62 1 year ago
you know one can clearly tell that Christopher needs to stop being sarcastic and profane against other religions.
psalm91forgee 1 year ago
I told a friend of mine I didn't believe in god. He asked me why I wasn't raping women and killing people. I told him I didn't want to go to jail. There was silence; then we changed the topic.
vcomp1960 1 year ago
@vcomp1960 So if there was no Prison you would go on raping and killing?
Its the same argument religious guy makes: you just substituted the jail with god.
NartSaga 1 year ago
@NartSaga I have no desire to rape women but I would shoot a couple of my enemies if I could get away with it!!
vcomp1960 1 year ago
I believe in A god. But I don't believe anyone knows truly who it is. Christianity is just ripped off from previous religions. The virgin birth, walking on water, crucifixion, rising three days later etc has all been used long long before jesus was supposed to have been around.
Fubs 1 year ago
I know people are speaking negatively against peter gomez but truthfully I would have no quarrel with someone like him. I may not believe his rhetoric and think its misguided but he seems like the type of guy most christians are not. Most are arrogantly ignorant but he seems like a cool guy.
bigsexy1234567 1 year ago
Gomez is a disgrace to the human species.
yatter1 1 year ago
Hitchens makes a great point to disprove the always popular argument that with out god we would be immoral.God doesn't set my morals and I don't need a god to understand that it is immoral to kill or steal etc.
punkzz1000 1 year ago
@punkzz1000 I haven´t stolen, murdered or raped anyone in weeks, and god can go f*ck himself, at least, if he existed he could. I´m more a moral person than any religious scrotum that I know
yatter1 1 year ago
Hahaha....look at Hitchens when the Rev. is speaking...he's about to laugh out loud
mmeasy123 1 year ago
"I rather like the company of believers." Ugh. Not me. My experience of most believers is that they're emotionally insecure, intellectually incurious, and psychologically weak.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago 60
@ClumsyRoot You forgot to add their dull to be around.
harrymudd7 1 year ago
@harrymudd7
True, although the real whack-jobs can be very amusing.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot yes dude i feel the same way ! :D
DrSpider88 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot so.now you're special because you're atheist or whatever u don't believe in. So in your experience all believers tend to be insecure,...blah blah blah..seriously who are you to say that. Have you miraculously become better than most people in society by rejecting the concept of a god. You are doing exactly some "believers" do except they use the term "non believer".
"Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God" .Francis Bacon
laptocxxp 1 year ago
@laptocxxp
Sheesh. Perhaps I should have included "overly sensitive" in my description of believers. :)
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@laptocxxp
I'm being glib.
I think people in general are driven more by their own hopes and fears than by the evidence. Our species has a great capacity for self-delusion. The disinterested search for truth is a challenge most people can't, or won't, accept.
Religion works for the same reason advertising works.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot My experience of believers is that they first & foremost, are not idolaters. A close second is that they are more likely than not to be Classic Objectivists, which seek the truth without regard to their expectation of any particular outcome.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
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ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
That's not been my experience at all. On the contrary, what stands out among believers is their willingness to accept the most fantastic claims with little or no supporting evidence.
And why this self-imposed credulity? Because religion, by telling us what we WANT to hear, meets certain emotional and psychological needs.
Do you think it's a coincidence that the most popular (and fastest-growing) faiths are those that assure us of a loving God and/or a blissful afterlife?
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot I am the last person to argue in favor of or to excuse the misuse and abuse of religion.
There are at least as many criminals of the cloth, as there are sincere ordained ministers leading the human spirit to God.
God is powerful, so obviously horrible disgusting sick-O pagan perverts will abuse religion to obtain secular power, and to inflict a bloody horror upon humanity for the sheer blood lust of it.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
No argument here, although I'd add that the concept of God is itself a recipe for abuse: A person can justify all sorts of horrific acts if he claims to have divine mandate, and the various holy books of the world are chock full of examples of God Himself engaging in truly reprehensible behavior.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot ….and people are able to justify all sorts of criminality and horrific acts because what the heck, if there is no god then people are only biological machines to be taken advantage of.
Matter of fact that is EXACTLY the tack that the New World Order is taking.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad
Yes! Which only proves that people will be people, whether they believe in God or not. I see no evidence that religion acts as any kind of restraint on anyone's behavior.
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
@ClumsyRoot Religion has restrained //my// behavior in many ways my entire life, and believe you me I am no Holly Roller.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
That is not true ive been atheist my whole life and i never had a proplem with what this jew was saying about needing god.
wachnathan 1 year ago 2
That last speaker was pretty adorable. Wrong, but sincere and adorable.
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago
you "Real19821" are an insult to human intelligence
js1268 1 year ago
I'm glad that the religious panelists admitted that gods only matter as an emotional security blanket.
DIRTYDUNNZ 1 year ago
Hitchens owned them with logic. The other guy uses some imaginary mirror of God hokey pokey crap and the black guy just says something to get a few laughs. Religious people should stop having these conversations with rationally thinking people in the same room. It just makes them look foolish.
Celly222 1 year ago
Chris Hitchens hit the nail right on the head: "If there was no 'God', and there were no prophets and no 'Revelation', our moral dilemmas would be exactly as they are NOW." What's more, someone else has pointed out that when we mere mortals need to make a choice that presents a moral dilemma, we in fact make the right choice ... DESPITE what scriptures say---NOT at all THANKS to what scriptures say. Really, we would be stoning adulterous women on the edge of town every Friday eve, BY SCRIPTURE
Austyg 1 year ago
@Austyg ... if there was no god and there were no prophets and no revelation and our moral dilemmas would be exactly as they are now, then why do you have a problem with religion?.... seems to me, whether religion exists or not, atheists should just leave religion alone, then
js1268 1 year ago
@js1268 Religion does not leave us alone. God may not exist, but his followers are everywhere. I live in New York City. I suppose I can live with the rather innocuous semi-regular subway preachers telling us all we are going to suffer eternally, though imagine atheists did that to you. I don't need to remind you that we had a shocking revelation of the harms of religious fervor about nine years ago in our fair city. One of only two foreign attacks on American soil since the Mexican-American War.
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago
@js1268 Or how about the hindrance of science and social progress? My grandfather died with Parkinson's Disease. Stem cell research has shown promising results in this field. What about intelligent design in schools? Where would bigotry against homosexuals find its foothold without Christianity? I don't mean to insult. This is my perspective on how religion affects me as an atheist. This is also not all religious people, but some of these issues couldn't exist without religion.
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago
@BrooklynRagtag agree with what you say except for one thing...you say this is your perspective on how religion affects you as an atheist, but i say is more than a perspective, but actually fact! Religion affects everyone, including my mother who is giving 10% of her earnings to her church when she could be saving it for things that actually matter.
wanderlei85 1 year ago
@wanderlei85 Sorry about your mother. I know how it is to watch something like that from a loved one.
You are right that it is a fact, but I've recently examined my approach to these sorts of forums. Combative and accusatory language closes the dialogue and I want religious people to evaluate their beliefs instead of putting up defenses. I'm sure you agree that the world would be better if everyone did that and I'm trying to do my tiny part for a kinder, more rational world. Be well. -BR
BrooklynRagtag 1 year ago
Why is the VOLUME so low?
beornborg1 1 year ago 3
i dont wana... i dont wana... boo hoo hoo... be rational... i am thick but old and endering, did i win the debate? (no you didn't, not even with the smug little grin at the end... sorry)
jimnebob 1 year ago
3 speakers and only one (Hitchens) rational answer...
mestrini 1 year ago
Well said.
Rev. Peter Gomes basically said he is too stupid and scared to not believe in a god. I think that sums it up as far as to why we have religion.
cablepanos 1 year ago 47
yeah...that's the rub! not brave enough to take responsibility for their own life or smart enough to figure out how.....OKay case closed....can we give up the bullshit religion now??
maddtappin 1 year ago 2
@cablepanos I remember Matt on Atheist Experience once said (as a replay to one nutshell) "when you cant think for yourself not wonder you believe in god", i rly like that one :)
CZKing 1 year ago
@cablepanos exactly
dcincdsr 1 year ago
@cablepanos that rev gomes is the dumbest man i have ever seen in all of religion! seriously! he actualy just basically said "i'm not brave enough or smart enough to live without god, i'd rather believe in something that isn't there. i can't conceive of a universe without god and i'd like to think god couldn't conceive of one without me"
Freethinker12341 1 year ago 64
@Freethinker12341 IMO that basically sums it up for the people that DO believe.. it's an opiate
gmichaelz 1 year ago
@gmichaelz well yaa but most believers are at least astute enough to realize what they should and should not admit lol
Freethinker12341 1 year ago
@Freethinker12341 Isn't that the basis of all religion? Just sayin....
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Freethinker12341 1 year ago
@EmmonsThomas gmichaelz said the same thing. read what i said in response
Freethinker12341 1 year ago
@Freethinker12341 What an arrogant, self-absorbed dunderhead, he is.
Pinage 11 months ago
@Freethinker12341 haha you think that guy is dumb, check out the god warrior.
romperstompist 11 months ago
@Freethinker12341 No no, he is a perfect religious follower, never questioning, never stirring things up. Why else would he be there as a representative?? You certainly wouldn't want someone with independent thought now, would you?
decibel333 11 months ago
@decibel333 lol quite true.
p.s. i see ur from mississauga, and u go to sheridan tech! i live in oakville myself and go to univiersity in Oshawa. whats ur name son?
Freethinker12341 11 months ago
@Freethinker12341 Is that really what he said?
sixtiksix 9 months ago
@sixtiksix yes...
Freethinker12341 9 months ago
@Freethinker12341 yea, he's admitted to being a sheep. It's like if a politician knew of something that would upset the populous he would intentionally lie to the public just so that there wouldn't be any riots. and so he would be the one who would believe what was said without question. what a dickhead.
InterRage 8 months ago
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Jesus freaks and right wing facist simpletons are already touting that god gave Hitchens throat cancer to stop his condemnation of the church and christianity. I despise all religious people. Fuck your god!
scotttebben 7 months ago
@cablepanos Rev. Gomez is neither stupid nor scared. What he is, is humble before the eyes of God. He correctly interprets his (and presumably other's) strength that is incompatible with the weakness he observes in human flesh, to God.
centurion180ad 1 year ago
@centurion180ad "I am neither smart enough or brave enough to function in a universe without the god construct. I don't want to think I'm here all on my own, and I don't want to have to think that I have to make it all up on my own." He is saying that he isn't brave enough and doesn't want to have to think for himself. He wants to be spoon-fed beliefs. It is easier and more comfortable to not have to think about it. He's not comfortable with not knowing. Easier to believe than to not know.
cablepanos 1 year ago
that dude at the end talking about taking chances on religion ..well on his religion what about other 1000 religions which one is right
neoarcadezr 1 year ago 2
@neoarcadezr his comment is really pretty sad
NegativeNick 1 year ago
All three of them have very good/beautiful answers. It seems clear to me that honest believers as these two do no harm, even do some good with their beliefs.
And even though I am agnostic, I don't have a problem with them. The moment I begin to have a problem with religion is when it becomes fanatic, which these two clearly are not an example of in this clip. I haven't done any research on them, so correct me if I'm wrong if you want to.
seeya20 1 year ago
agreed.
BenWannaBee 1 year ago
@seeya20 I agree but the jewish guy beleives in genital mutilation, which is a practice i think is deploable.
philhunter2005 1 year ago
It's not just what they do, it's about the mindset that religion creates. That's Hitchen's greater argument. Abrahamics are all about death, in this life they are told they are worthless and so is everybody else. Therefore, their focus is only on the end, and this comes at the expense of civilization in general.
holio84 1 year ago
It's so sad... It seems like Rev.Peter Gomes is a kind soft spoken guy but many people don't use the religious beliefs in a good way like he does. Most use religious belief in a way that damages society.
Zubinen 2 years ago