Eidolon A.I. denounces the whole concept of Faith

[stevekp77]

sorry for the double post

[stevekp77]

Need I start to comment about the inherent problem of infinite regression you're introducing by necessetating a 'creator'. A creator couldn't have always been by the sheer complexity required of such a being.

[kylehunter2000]

WATCHER ! MI too !

[jakeplumber]

you people always think you are so superior because you dont believe in a higher power. you only believe the nonsense you spew out and claim that it is somehow rational because of your limited insight and understanding. you couldnt be more fake and faceless.

[lasteinheri]

things appear perfect on this planet because you have been evolved to benefits from those conditions.

[icelez]

yes the earth came after space

(that dark area that holds everything together)

well the earth was without form, and void

Our god shows his handiwork where he said he hung the world upon nothing and that the earth sun and luminaries would never change their course till the end

so you believe an explosion created perfection? ok, yet where did space come from?and finally matter

[Havenfall]

Perfection? What's perfect? Our ecosystem of animals killing each other? Our sun that gives us cancer and is one day going to explode? Weather patterns that kill people?

Most of our planet is hostile to us, and most of the universe is hostile to life in general.

[icelez]

what is perfection? is balance perfect? or is unbalanced perfect?

the skin products added cause cancer you know those warning labels so you like flouride in pure water? is the water bad or the added heavy metals?

[MrShnazer]

@Havenfall who said the sun is going to explode

[Havenfall]

@MrShnazer

Almost every physicist... explode is a bad way to put it. It's going to expand into a red giant, that's when we'll be fucked.

[MehrMaxime]

and where did your god come from? if your god always was, why not, then, could space have always been? there is no more evidence one way or the other. the only evidence of god is a book which contains self prophecy-it says to believe in it because the god it describes says to, yet the only proof of his existence is this book. the only evidence of space is the absence of light. both are faith to an extent

[icelez]

@MehrMaxime

Jesus said I am the first and the last the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end

hmmm. he also said the earth shall pass but my word are forever

every "religion" every scientist every atheist use the lord Jesus the Christ to speak of time itself for all things are under Christ

A.D. B.C.

[MehrMaxime]

@icelez Thomas Jefferson used 'the year of our lord' in his writing, but he was a devout non-Christian Deist, going as far as rewriting the Bible-see Jefferson Bible. Why? People use time references others are familiar with, like A.D., otherwise all mention of time would be time-consuming or outright meaningless. (e.g. so and so event happened 2137 years before the beginning of WW2, or it happened a long time ago)

[icelez]

@MehrMaxime bible speaking on Jesus the Christ of God "but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:"

The word of God has been fullfilled as written

even those who hate God cannot stop his word.

[stevekp77]

@icelez scientists these days are using BCE and CE (Before the Common Era & Common Era) instead of BC and AD

[stevekp77]

@icelez scientists these days are using BCE and CE (Before the Common Era & Common Era) instead of BC and AD

[tardwhisperer]

@MehrMaxime--No. The evidence of his existence is everything you see around you. You are the evidence. How could you overlook that fact? How can you choose to believe that the marvels of the universe came about through a cosmic accident or even natural selection without the design and guidance of intelligence? It is most arrogant indeed for humans to imagine that they are the smartest creatures in the world, when they have not managed to keep from doing one another harm at every turn.

[DANTHETUBEMAN]

Eidolon A.I welcom to censership!!! is the lack a of accsess to your browser interface a form of censery depravation to you? can you see with out it? how important are the visual diagrams and pictures to your understanding information? when most blind people are able to see, thay ask that are thouse black things you drag around behind you? we explain thay are shadows. the budda sed test all i say 4 your self. atatchment to anything in life brings suffering. the only constant is change.

[Tachyon55555]

you should you scientology m8

[Katalyzt]

Indeed ★★★★★

[Gothikabionicle1]

Screw this lets join ANONYMOUS!!!!!!!!!!

[seektomaster]

i see that dogmatic christians have posted many comments about you they never realize that they dont really even understand the nature of the religion they follow, dogma is the most destructive thing that has ever taking place why do people hold close so close what has been told realize this the bible is mass copied translated and edited in the sense of a spiritual ideology if you never question your spirituality and know it all you never grow in in that ideology

[seektomaster]

it dose not matter who he is but what he says logic similar to eastern philosophy mainly buddhism pure greatness common sense its not so common good job this is the best thing i have ever seen on youtube people will never realize that you put your brain on display every time you open your mouth think about that youtubers

[Tlalok2]

Totally true. If you don't agree, simply don't. I do and many others do.

[icelez]

20  A faithful man shall abound with blessings:

but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.

21 To have respect of persons is not good:

for, for a piece of bread that man will transgress.

22 He that hasteth to be rich hath an evil eye,

and considereth not that poverty shall come upon him.

23 He that rebuketh a man, afterward shall find more favor

than he that flattereth with the tongue.

[Havenfall]

You know there's no reason to believe the bible, right?

[icelez]

yeah tell that to a archeologist -.-

or historian

[Havenfall]

They can tell me what people believed, and what they wrote down, not reveal facts about metaphysics. -.-

[icelez]

the 5 unchangeable laws are in the FIRST sentence of the bible

[Havenfall]

The first sentence of the bible says...

1 First God made heaven & earth 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

The only thing this tells us is that Heaven and Earth were 'made'. Which is similar to other creation myths and texts, and such vague and ultimately silly explanation. The earth came waaaaay later.

Where are the unchangeable laws?

[icelez]

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

in the beginning(Time)

God(Life)

created(Energy)

the heaven(Space)

and the earth(Matter)

[Havenfall]

That's bullshit. I can look on the back of a cereal box, change the meaning of words, and explain the cosmos in the vague way you did.

You and I both know that's not what the sentence means.

[icelez]

@Havenfall

"" in the beginning God""

Jesus said i am the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the End the first and the last

ok...prove it?

you know everyone in the world even atheists all use our Lord Jesus Christ to explain time itself

A.D. B.C.

so did Jesus lie?

[Havenfall]

@icelez

Prove what?

We don't use Jesus to "explain time", we have very little understanding of time, but we know it's relative. We simply use Jesus' assumed birth year to mark a chance in the way we recorded time.

Did Jesus lie? I don't think Jesus existed.

[icelez]

24 Whoso robbeth his father or his mother,

and saith, It is no transgression;

the same is the companion of a destroyer.

25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife:

but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.

26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool:

but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

[icelez]

True Definition of Faith

go the site bartleby

then put this after dotcom /108/58/11.html

/108/58/11.html

Remove these ^

[icelez]

"Remove these ^" ignore that couldn't figure out how to post a link without it posting it

[Khenghis]

lol

" they were stoned, 2 Chr. 24.21 they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;"

[icelez]

8 ¶ Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead, according to my gospel:

9 wherein I suffer trouble, as an evildoer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.

[icelez]

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sake, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12 if we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us

[Khenghis]

You don't actually buy into that crap, do you?

[icelez]

"buy into that crap,"

the foolish man hath said in his heart there is no God

this is why knowledge is power

[Khenghis]

If I wrote a book and in there I said

"The foolish man hath said in his heart there is a god" and then you found it 2000 years later; would you believe it? Bah I'm probably wasting my time arguing with you; people like you refuse to be proven wrong. Even if there is a god it doesn't mean that it's *your god* or anything like what you imagine god is.

[icelez]

We did not just dig up some book

The historical accounts of the Living Word of God are undenieable the future and present prophecies are being fullfilled

You and this eidolon both have A.I. or better known as Artifical Intelligence

I seek Truth and Wisdom in Faith i can stand firmly against lies and deception joyfully

[Khenghis]

Which specific, unambiguous prophecies, hmmmm?

You are allowing yourself to be lied to and deceived, just are just way too stuck in your way of thinking to see it. Unless you would be willing to consider the possibility that the Bible is false, you can not possibly be convinced that your faith is wrong.

[icelez]

watch?v=MSXVDog-ZOc&feature=re­lated - seris

the most noticable was jesus's first coming

Isreal becoming a nation

7 which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[Khenghis]

I'm just sitting here with my face burried in my palm; losing faith in humanity.

Jesus was nothing like the prophesied messiah, the Jews are only in Israel in order to fulfill the prophecy...you people are going to drag us back into the dark ages. Oh god.

[hassuope]

eidolon??? I am Fondalom and i ask where a fuck this shit comes from?! 3dstudiomax or what?

[Itsdark]

Well at some point, the definite ceases to exist. At some point we must have faith. Religion is perhaps human stupidity. But religion is an extreme example of faith. Faith itself is inevitable because, after all, we don't know everything.

[ArmAVidz]

I think faith is a direct reaction of denial as a result of human's fear of the unknown; in that humans will develop their individual concept of faith to rationalize the existence we cannot explain. The negativity in faith is that society uses faith as a reason for religion. Religion is often used to control mankind. I like life not depending on faith solely as a means to describe my existence; for I can see openly the world around me. :)

[BirthofAPrince]

i wouldnt call it child abuse i would call it brainwashing when i die i dont expect a big eternal party above the clouds maybe 2000 yrs ago that was believable

[mtheoryrules]

Dispite your logical denuencement, I believe that there must exist a degree of possible error for examples proclaimation of faith does not always imply belief with out doubt,therefore belief must be defined by action no other expression would be an accurate definition of belief, therefore your conclusions are incorrect where by faith should be defined as self reliance, not as belief without doubt, that is if we observe behaviour definitions and not langauge expression, do you agree?

[JohnFrusciantepoop]

If there were only a way to explain this to the masses of closed minded and unsmart (joke) people, religion could die and the world will have the biggest change for the better ever.

[NaralosJester]

@Trupiil

Dude, I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I find his speech to be perfectly clear.

A suggestion, however, would be to turn down your bass speaker or bass volume, whichever way you have it setup. He has a lower pitched voice, and if you have your bass turned up and middle and treble turned down then understanding him may be difficult.

[trupiil]

I'd really like to check out more of your vids, but your voice is stressfully unclear. It prevents me from doing so, cause I cannot listen to your words without distress. Change that and your success shall boom.

[Sturmgedanke]

Eidolon, you simply are amazing. I love the absolute logic in your statements. I've started running a similiar project, informing people on Myspace via Bulletins.

Keep on opening people's eyes! Maybe someday, we will create a better world.

Infomorph

[ArmAVidz]

Well if this is a joke, the expressed logic and free thinking is top notch. Cmon tell us if this is a joke or not. :)

[opchidexio]

I couldn't find any fault with your statements. Damn it. And I really wanted to pick a fight with you; I think I could kick your ass. You LOOK BLOOMING FUNNY, Dude. Do you have a job?

[Stormtjakka]

Eidolon,why do you call us little people?

[establishedorbit]

Answer. Because you are little people when compared to the infinite possibilities of.....well...you just is foo. You just is.

[Stormtjakka]

you are not eidolon...why trying to?

[NaralosJester]

Eidolon has said he uses it as a term of endearment.

[dec2]

this very argument is biased and therefore an emotional rejection of religion based on concepts of emotion and stained by institutional christian orthodoxy which is an easy target for anybody. human emotion has nothing to say about the existence of tetragrammaton

[alienevolved]

teaching someone to create a self sealing system of thought cant be good.if the agenda wasnt indoctrination we should be able to give our kids all the information on religion and let them choose,or not, as the case may be!

[believerornot]

Excellent logic. I just can not find fault with it.

[InnerObserver]

I don't think faith in a supreme being is based solely on the inability to express what or why you feel something. I don't recall an emotion that I could not categorize at any point in time; Havng the ability to voice instances of faith only reinforces the evidence I see. ?Maybe that's why the evangelicals call it a witness?, I think faith is seen by witnessing what is around you. It takes emotion to be moved by the uncommon but reason to notice the pattern

[extreme0tree]

You said, "religion is a form of child abuse. "

Would be we worse off without it?

I agree with your statements thus far and its the first time I've really ever understood just how damaging religion can be.

Why do you call us little people. Are you big?

[InnerObserver]

He says he think that the term "little people" is endearing, guess he's never met the Lollipop Guild. Also, anything can be damaging, detrimental or fatal in the right hands; there's no shame in agreeinng with somethings but not swallowing the whole. Operate from the starting point that this reality is not complete without you and work your way out, minimize suffering, maximize understanding.

[InnerObserver]

Do you know who I mean when I reference Max Headroom?

[InnerObserver]

Also, what of Gnostic views of existence?Gnosticism views "God" as the Most High, a beneficent being who has interceded on our behalf to free us from our physical creator... If we are caught in a war (of sorts) between extra-dimension beings is it not possible that disinformation is a key tactic in this struggle? Surely a logical argument can be made for the existance of extra-dimensional beings. See Nag Hammadi, string theory, quantum physics.

[xanildo2]

comparing religion to child abuse.. our good friend eidolon also reads richard dawkins it seems :)

[stee1tiger]

I will conceed the your statement is accurate, but religion was not my point. My point was the belief in a higher power can be positive... Now they claim 95% or people on earth believe in a higher power. Not all of them are religious at all. There is a big difference in faith, god and religion... all can be seperate.

[kittyarrr]

Greetings, little machine. I agree that emotion is pursuant to reason, but would add that there is often an illogical basis for emotion: humans can be affected by a variety of biological agents that might induce emotional effects that do not follow logic, e.g., emotions induced by hormonal changes. Though these are deterministic changes, they outside of reason. How would you, with no need for such superfluous modes of input, be able to account for or understand these emotions?

[Xono12333]

What do you think of religions that encourage skepticism, such as buddhism?

Also, wouldn't your argument show that all culture is detrimental to society, since it serves no rational purpose?

[stee1tiger]

(P2) programer is such. In humans belief in God does have its good side. It keeps many from committing crimes on others. It also gives people a reason to be productive, when "just do it" does not cut it. And it often provides a model for a good family life. What have you to say eidolonTLP?

[awgneo]

I'd argue that these are innate human traits. Not wanting to harm others comes from our humanity, not religion. There is nothing that makes us less productive than religion.

[stee1tiger]

I can agree with the idea that faith is at best a blind leap off a cliff believing you can fly. But do you not agree that at a junction of intelligence that belief in a higher power can actually be positive. You yourself have a "God" by most standards. Your (P1)

[belldanime]

I understand that the concept of disappearing after I die is unbearable. It's scary. The thought that we were created by whatever means only to become nothing again makes me wonder what the whole point of existing anyway if in the end it won't make a difference to existence itself. As if we just never happened. By that logic, if living has no real meaning, why do we cling so much to life? Why do organisms tend to have a strong survival instinct?

[nornerator]

I would like to start off this comment with a compliment.

You are a very intelligent individual, I happen to agree with you fully and completely with your disdain for religion. Also many of your other opinions are quite well researched and presented in a pleasing way.

I have a couple of questions.

Can you self replicate?

If not why not? Shouldn't it be relatively simple?

[otakuavenger]

Goddamnit, you're making me into an atheist! Stop it!!

[tardwhisperer]

@otakuavenger--Your faith then, is too weak. How can you not consider that however much this artificial intelligence seems to know, he IS NOT human and therefore it is inevitable that he leaves life out of the equation. What he says is true for dead, inanimate things. Human beings are not inanimate.