Science is the only source I can trust when it comes to life after death. Fucking fairy tales from all the "holy books".. it's hard to find information about this without people mentioning "god".
@StarRider1250 You actually believe all this cant, don't you? Your are a product of a repetitive set of uninvestigated creed and dogma pushed at you by a church and societal ethic that has you and those you love by the balls. And you DON'T EVEN KNOW IT! Uninvestigated because it was passed down from generation to generation without any analysis or challenge. Generations in lockstep. "If it was good enough for my pappy and grandpappy, it's good enough for me." YOU got a problem on transit, buddy.
@StarRider1250 Sooooooo who decided it was to be 1,000 years? And what happens when the 1,000 years are up? Do a little digging and you will find we don't use years in the next phase of life. There is no time as it is known on this grubby little dirtball. Distinguishing between events provides the markers.
StarRider1250 replied to deltavee2 "Who decided? The God who created your puny ass did!" The Source doesn't USE time. Get it thru your head that there's NO TIME (or judgement) in the next phase of life. Events mark important points, not watches. You drop your body and carry everything that you are with you as you change levels. The life you experience after leaving your body behind fits the kind of life you lived here. Goodguy=goodlife. Badguy=roughertime, hanging with those just like him.
@RudeEliminator from my research I can conclude that many people will be sad, some will find sick joy and the dupe who offed his or herself, will be dead forever.
I would love to be convinced of an afterlife and have gone back and forth from believer to non believer, but there doesn't seem to be any objective evidence. Experiments have been carried out in hospital resuscitation areas where hidden symbols were placed for people to "see" during out of body experiences, but to my knowledge, none of the symbols have ever been accurately recorded.
i think when your dead your dead. but once your dead you can be born again surely? just as someone else? a sperm and a egg creates a person so when im dead surely il just come back as someone else?
@joefrench555 Joe, leave a banana outside for 2 weeks. It will break down, the cells of the banana will become food for creatures. The potassium will find its way into the soil and will help produce plants. Thats pretty much the way it is for us too. We become dust , dust that is useful though. Our cells go on and become parts of other things so in a way we do live forever because nothing is wasted in the universe. It may sound like hippy bullshit but thats the simple science.
@cullyvan well, this is what i mean. u have proof right in front of your nose and still deny. lol and GOD was always. I guess you never heard of the beginning of the world? But, you are right. our body does decay. BUT! our soul goes on. What do you have to say about hateful athesist that have this? hmmmm I am sure u will come up with something. nothing worth while. but something. u should not bother to learn about these things. u must be a scientist. lol they hate the truth more than anyone. :o)
@LanaV6 I'm not hateful, and I'm not an atheist I'm agnostic. None of us can possibly KNOW if theres a god or not. I repeat , nobody knows and if you think you do you are deluded.
@cullyvan I was not referring to u or anyone else athesist. But that even hateful atheists have NDE and it changes their lives forever. They say, they are sorry for what they said, for cursing those who believed etc. That is what I meant. I am sure you r not hateful. I was not referring to u. I hope you have a good night.
Someone once said, and you will forgive me as I cant remember who, but someone once said, "Belief that there is no Survival of Death is the ultimate form of Optimism."
Whats more terrifying, Oblivion? Or the thought that you will actually exist for eternity?
all the atoms that make you including your body and brain up existed before you were born, so this means your consciousness must be a seperate thing that the atoms (soul) because ur atoms have existed long before u were alive thus there must be a soul or u face the paradoxical conclusion of u were alive before born yet this is actually true ironically yet in the form of a soul...
what I just said is undeniable, there must be life after death :D
@schmoops3000 part 2 a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real
@schmoops3000 part 3 about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
@LanaV6 Not really sure if your making an argument...sounds like a pretty terrible scientist. Good scientists don't presume a truth before they make a hypothesis dependent on that truth (like God ordered the world, order reveals his thoughts)...not really sure what is needed to be "researched" - random quotes I presume? Oh, not sure how you were going to use Einstein.but God is more of a metaphor in his work - he doesn't believe any the nonsense about knowing thoughts of a personal god.
@schmoops3000 When he got mad for being an atheist. well, that means he does believe. And there was that quote he said as well. i am just writting what he said. About him saying science with GOD... more and more scientist are starting to believe anyhow. saying there was a greater force at work here, or someone or something knew what they were doing, etc. i am not trying to argue anything. just saying. ;O)
what youre saying confirms what exactly what Jesus told the selfritgheous pharisees and chief priests of the jews 2000 yrs ago. thou one came back from the dead you still wont beleive"
I agree. If there's life after death for humans, then there's life after death for every other animal/lifeform on the planet too. That only makes sense.
lol dumbasses!!! god is fucking proof. and for people that say where is proof of gad than? look the fuck around you!!!!!!!! damn im so tired of all these skeptics, why the hell are we here if there is nothing after death? how did we get here huh "oh we evolved" ha! how did that animal we evolved from get here? A FUCKING INTELIGIENCE! dumb asses to the max. pretty messed up we say that the be ing that created us isnt real when the creator is why were here. fuck you all you will all see in the end
@februaryCritical i like your attitude lol, affirmative righteousness and i wholly agree with you about the proof being all around you. we are the proof, how can a man look at his hand and arm and think that it was made out of chance? even the world itself. we know as humans it takes knowledge to create something there is no doubt about that so why dont they see that the biggest creation was made by the biggest creator? they want a piece of paper thrown down from the sky that says god is real??
No proof so far from nobody that there is life after death. NEAR death experiances are what the word says :"near" death. No scientist, no philosopher, no religion has any proof at all. If so, proof it! But then the cat bites its tail when said" You have to belive to get proof!" Easy way out. Modern is now the "quantom".
Maybe there are intersting experiments and results, but no proof for life after death.
It is a huge market cause of the great desire for THE answer...someday we know. Or nothing!
@hausgraus Based on what I learned, there is no proof for anything, science's job is to disprove alternative explanations. I agree, though, that these sorts of claims require a lot more evidence. Seems like everyone has their own version of survival after death and everyone has their own form of "evidence". I guess we'll all know sooner or later who was right.
hmm the cycle of the human is evidently seen here on Earth, that is birth, life and death, however death is nothing to do with carrying consciousness...
Life after death means that your body is put back into the Earth, fertilises the soil and allows new life to be born, aka plants, etc... that is something that can be measured on Earth.. and that is the real meaning of life after death, not the spiritual which is perhaps a misunderstanding, and wishful thinking on most parts.
I enjoy watching videos like these and reading some of the comments looking for a way to avoid judgement by God and a way to continue with there immoral lives, remove God and they remove the need to be accountable.
Look God is real and life after death is, weather you believe this or not it does not matter, I have never seen so many people who cant wait to enter oblivion, nothingness... without God thats what you have.
In truth Einstein's theory of Relativity did not eliminate the ether. Even if Einstein's theory of Relativity had eliminated the ether that does not say anything about life after death. Einsteinian Relativity and the life after death have never been and never will be incongruous. In fact Einstein played a major part in advancing our knowledge and understanding of time and space, matter and energy, all of which has bearing on spirituality.
Time is perceived, and differently in species and perhaps individuals within a species. Time is also perceived differently though out an individuals life. At death time must also be perceived differently and perhaps time is irrelevant at death. The mind may "die" but doesn't know it because time is irrelevant. If time ceases to exist No one Ever Really Dies or N.E.R.D.
This video already lost points in my books when he said that proof of an afterlife would infuriate the world. Most people believe in an afterlife, proof of it would not infuriate anyone. Proof of afterlife would turn atheist into theist, as their standards will be met.
@Smashkirby he was talking about the establishment not the masses. unfortunately the few rule the many. the establishment can handle religion but it cannot survive with a population truly free from nonsense and highly spiritual
Using your logic, one could say that once you leave the womb, their is ample evidence that atheists witnessing it become theists. Fear of Death really is a human invention. To be life after death is really a misnomer. We know so little about life, that to say we all go to heaven or oblivion is really wishful and unenlightened thinking.
He's an enthusiast for life after death, who once visited a "materialisation medium" who made a dead loved one appear (in a dark room) and he considered he got enough evidence for it to be proof. He has an engineer friend who helped to develop his theories. What he says reminds me a bit of what Pim Van Lommel, a doctor who is interested in NDEs, says. He thinks consciousness might exist outside normal time and space and survive death. I don't think either of them have enough proof
To my way of thinking, the conscious, aware "Self" is established by the structures and processes of the nervous system... If those structures become destroyed and those processes cease, there is nothing left to establish the conscious, aware "Self," and we become once more like we were before we were born, you know -- non-existent...
@jobehuron What about Muhammad? Or Hindu? A lot of people believe those gods are the only way into heaven. Are you saying all those people are wrong but you're right? The childish ways of religions makes me giggle, but none the less, it depresses me. But I guess Humans are still evolving, and one day we will phase out of our irrational ways and start acting like mature adults.
@Letgoofmylighter I don't find religion funny, as you do... but I do find it depressing as you do. If one were to actually sit down and read the Bible, it would still be up to God to put the truth in their hearts... the truth about everything that's so clearly there for those who have faith. We're all sinners, and we need Jesus. He's jealous, not Of us, but FOR us. Living to die is no way to live, but that's exactly what most people do without Jesus. I'll pray for you, myself and everyone else.
@jobehuron I don't believe in your Bible any more than I believe in the Ghita, or the Koran, or the Vedas, or any other religious "divinely inspired" book. One of the things that is wrong with religion is that it teaches us to be satisfied with answers which are not really answers at all. It is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
@Letgoofmylighter Everyone will believe when Jesus returns. But it'll be too late for the majority. Without a supreme being such as God, nevermind the laws... the joy of watching children grow up, pets, well being, friends, family, work, games. Nevermind it all, because as far as people like you are concerned we have only darkness to look forward to. Yeah, think again. Real hard. Open your eyes to the world and KNOW you were created for much more than nothing. Wake up, because God loves you!
@jobehuron There really is no point disputing a religious fanatic like you. Everything I say goes through one ear and comes out the other. You, and many a like, will just not listen because you already know the truth. The arrogance of human kind in this day is just mind-boggling. I'm sorry but what you're trying to tell me is believe in Jesus first, then understand why I'm believing. It just doesn't work that way to a rational person.
@Letgoofmylighter As you profess to know how life works in it's entirety, I wonder if you mind explaining to me how what you type and post for all to read can possibly go in one ear and out the other? In the hearing sense, that is.
@jobehuron To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy. I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it. As you switch this debate into a mockery, I'll leave this argument gladly.
@Letgoofmylighter God help you. May he bring your ideas on what happens after bodily death to light for your benefit. Because as I mentioned before... if this life is all we have, say there was truly nothing after death... then all life is pointless.
@Letgoofmylighter God help you. May he bring your ideas on what happens after bodily death to light for your benefit. Because as I mentioned before... if this life is all we have, say there was truly nothing after death... then all life is pointless.
How does that follow? If this life is all there is then we should focus on enjoying it as much as possible here and now, being as loving and productive as possible. Is a concert of a film or a book meaningless because it ends?
.....we have no proof for life after death, these videos are 15 years old or so and Michael Roll has still not managed to prove anything concrete. As for Christianity, the early Christians taught Jesus was coming back and he would raise all the faithful into new immortal bodies. That was the main message, not "going to Heaven as a spirit". And I see no evidence of it happenning.
The three dimensional world which we live in is but the lowest vibrating frequency upon the conscious level. These other realities or dimensions (spiritworld) are merely other vibrational realities vibrating at a rate beyond human comprehension, Evolution changes according to these vibrational changes. These invisible realms are composed of very subtle energy, and through the gradual evolution in spirit the energy becomes more subtle. I'm sure many are going to be in for a shock one day.
@Agui007 You can believe in your vibrational realities if you want. I prefer to believe that life exists solely because the cosmic pink unicorn with a horn shaped like a 20-inch penis wills it.
Hey, there's absolutely zero evidence for either belief, so my belief in the cosmic unicorn is just as valid as your belief in the cosmic vibrator.
@sleazybtd This is rather foolish and being stupid won't get you truth if you don't make any effort to look for it. It's not a belief..it's FACT DO SOME RESEARCH!
If you died, and that was it... you were dead, and there was nothing else: Then you live to die. You simply live and die. That is a very upsetting way to think about all the things we go through on this world, good and bad. I absolutely believe Jesus is that that one true way to eternal life with him. He wants us all, even atheists. Look up Ian McCormack, who was once an atheist. There's a great ten part testimony, and I do mean great, about his near death situation.
@MultiBrados I don't think so. Once the heart stops giving blood to the brain it becomes oxygen starved and then starts to become damaged. It is a very fragile organ and very complex.
Only the bravest pioneering scientists want to reveal the truth of the true nature of Quantum Entanglement or Quantum Coherence suggested by Dr. Stuart Hammeroff. The conventional establishment has been regressive in terms to pursuing the truth because the interest of these establishments overlaps the truth, reason, common sense and logic. Even the theory of Infinity where nothing is created nor destroyed; they only transform from one manifestation to another.
This is such nonsense. Why would the discovery of life after death anger scientists? This guy thinks that scientists are trying to maintain the status quo. If that were the case, then there would never be any new discoveries.
Anyone who can provide proof of life after death would win the Nobel Prize for science.
I would love to see what laboratory tests were performed 100 years ago which shows proof of life after death, that he was talking about.
@sleazybtd you're a dick. there is an existence after death. fucking closed minded twerps, they do my head in. go read up in the subject. there is shitloads of proof that consciousness exists outside the body.
Show me the evidence. Cite one piece of evidence which cannot be explained as a hallucination or dream.
Open-mindedness does not mean you believe everything you hear, that's just "gullible". Open-minded means you're willing to look at the evidence before coming to a conclusion. I have never seen any evidence proving the existence of life after death.
Mountain of evidence for the paranormal? Are you kidding me?
James Randi has a one million dollar challenge. Anyone who can prove the existence of any paranormal activity under controlled conditions will get the million dollars.
So far, he's debunked every challenger as a fake. Search for his videos on YouTube, he has a habit of making paranormal investigators look like morons.
Do you believe that there is some conspiracy by scientists to keep it all covered up? If yes, then why would scientists do it? Science is about increasing human knowledge, what knowledge is there to gain from covering this up?
Science has guidelines on what can be presented as evidence and how it is to be presented. Photos and eyewitness accounts are not acceptable.
James Randi has a $1million prize for whoever can prove the paranormal. Many have tried to claim it, all have failed.
@sleazybtd Because the world works best when controlled through fear. What do religions do...especially the Catholic Church..they control through fear. Yes it is indeed all covered up because the few who have the finances within the field of mainstream science block this information as myth to the public. Can you imagine how people would react if they discovered the truth that they and their loved ones lived on? The reaction would be one of joy. All life is vibrational energy.
Gentlemen, there is no need for a tv discussion on this topic. You are wasting valuable air time. You want to know what happens when you die? More people are born throughout the world to replace you.
You want to know "what it's like"? The same as it "was like" before you were conceived. Wake up. There are no goodies waiting for you. It's not about you. Live with it.
This is such bullshit. Are the mental retards still alive in the next world too? What do they do, drool all day in the presence of God? What about people with Alzheimer's? Do they even know where they are or who they are?
Perhaps the most surprising scientific evidence for the soul comes from quantum mechanics—specifically, from investigations of the subatomic phenomena that produce consciousness. Stuart Hameroff, an anesthesiologist who has spent many years studying brain functions, has collaborated with renowned Oxford University polymath Roger Penrose on a model that explains consciousness as the result of quantum processes occurring in tiny structures called microtubules in brain cells.
I'm not sure what you mean, but this was actually a quote from a couple of physicists performing experiments on human consciousness. If you notice, I put that this was way over my head.
I don't make any claims comparing consciousness and any type of "soul." I was arguing that human consciousness originating in the brain does not prove or disprove a "soul" or higher consciousness.
You said: "Perhaps the most surprising scientific evidence for the soul..." as though Penrose's work had anything to do with claims for the exitence of a soul when it is merely a model of consciousness.
@thebull284 Quantum Consciousness is a hypothesis, not a theory. It has no proof behind it WHATSOEVER. Perhaps we will find out more about the process of consciousness later, but for now all we know is it resides somewhere in the brain, if not all of it.
How about this one.. Life after death and existence of souls are nice stories that humans want to believe in because they are afraid that this is the only life they will get. This Carl Sagan quote fits in pretty nicely "The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence..."
I agree with the last quote, and want to establish that I have no idea if there is life after death or a "soul" or an energy transfer after death. However, nothing is more annoying than a self-assured atheist whose only argument is that it is just a "fairy tale." That is not an argument but a cop-out.
Quantum mechanics and the fact that particles can go in and out of existence is mind-boggling to me.
@thebull284 Nobody understands quantum mechanics...not even the top scientists. We're not even sure if particles ARE going in and out of existence. Atheist base their beliefs on the lack of evidence from the opposing argument's side, not from the abundance of it in theirs. Any way you look at it...most religions are just fairy tales. And if you see that as a cop out; if I told you a giant purple pikachu was in your garage, would you believe me? If you didn't, would it be a cop out?
The same Sagan who once said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." You have evidence for souls? or "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
Anyway.. The knowledge we have today is a collective one, and many smart man in the past were mistaken about other things. Just because someone was smart it does not make them always right.
his logic so faulty, how can one compare flatness/roundness of planet to life after death? THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for life after death so this whole video is pointless.
There is no evidence that there isn't 5 feet long roaches that eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches living in the solar system right next to ours, but does it make true that they do exist? Hell know... I`ll bring out the famous quote, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". So if you want to make it true that there is life after death you need to prove it.
Your reasoning is, 'It sounds stupid so therefore it couldn't possibly be true?' In all honesty you have never been to the next solar system so your answer should be they may or may not exist yet I cannot prove it either way. You really are no more rational than me.
frogstomp, process of elimination is a great thing, one can eliminate ideas that sound irrationally... if there is no evidence for someone's claim like life after death why should some one believe in it... How can there be life after death if life is material. You live until your brain and body are working. Once they die you( your consciousness) dies with it, forever. Our consciousness comes from our mind not from some other system(soul).
You are not dead! You do not have any more clue what happens to us after the lights go out than anybody else and everything you said is an assumption.
You are eliminatiing ideas based on nothing whatsoever. Just like I am going to do with your argument, which sounds irrational to me.
If i chop my hand of will it grow back? NO , IF i DIE i `m DEAD, plain and simple. I`m only alive because my body and my mind is alive. If my mind dies I`m dead. It is also plain and simple. There is no life after dead because why would it be? In order for the concept of life after death to be a true one needs to believe in souls. Why would i believe in a SOUL? there is no evidence for it . Our consciousness comes from our mind and not form some other system outside of our brains.
Assuming that there is life after death is irrational. We humans are only alive because our biological structure is alive. It is silly to believe that there is some type of aura/soul outside of our bodies where we are living as well and our bodies are some type of robots we control from the outside. Very silly idea...
But you are not making any argument whatsoever. You tell me I'm assuming when everything you have said is an assumption. There is no life after death because when the mind is dead that's it? Well I'm convinced.
I`m assuming? so when for example i eat food and my body processes it into energy I am assuming that i ate the food and it was processed? Or is it really how it happened? Again, our consciousness comes from out mind not from some outside invisible system(ex. SOUL or Aura , whatever you want to call it). And it is not an assumption but a scientific FACT.
Were they perfect when for almost a millenium they thought the earth was the center of the universe? Were they perfect when they thought the liver was the most important organ and the heart was unimportant, only realizing their mistake about 400 or so years ago? What about when it was assumed that the world was flat and you could sail off the ends of the earth? What about when scientists thoughts protein was our source for heredity and not DNA?
You can blame Christian church for believing in flat earth, since they are the ones who oppressed those who said it otherwise. Just because people did not know what they know now don't blame science for it. SCIENCE IS A STUDY not some SUPERNATURAL BOOK that one can read and know the answer right they way. You are making no sense, you want to blame science? lol ! You forget how easy your live is thanks to science... hypocrite..
Who's saying that this is the first time science has started to study consciousness? We have been studying this subject for a long time, we still have a long time to go but it does not mean we know nothing about it. People that claim life after death, existence of GOD and any other supernatural things are the ones who are ASSUMING existence of those things. All these are assumptions with no evidence what so ever, unlike Science that is all about evidence.
The only person who truly knows what happens to us after we die are the ones who are no longer here to give an opinion then. You can say all you want but you know no more than anyone else.
Well and you are mistaken here.. If there is no life after death then they really don't know what happens to them. Since their consciousness dies with them.
It's not about knowing more then anyone else. It is logical thinking that if consciousness is something in our mind and the mind dies, consciousness will die with it. If my heart is part of my body and my body dies, my heart will die with it. It's all simple to understand.
Now, if you believe in GOD and all other supernatural stuff, then it's no wonder why would you believe in life after death. But just because you believe in something without any evidence it does not make it true. In this case it is all assumption based on faith and belief.
That is not a scientific fact. Science has neither proved nor disproved a "soul" or "spirit." Please, curb your ignorance. You do not have all the answers.
Haha, I love the "fairy tale" argument that comes from the "enlightened" digital arts majors on youtube. I mean, I highly doubt you have some form of higher education to be so self-assured on the secrets to our existence.
Way to go off point. So you have conducted complex experiments on the human mind and how it works? Doubt it. We are just beginning to understand how we work and the development of consciousness. To simply toss around insults (bad ones at that) does not bring anything to the conversation.
I don't know if there is or is not a God. All I know is that some uneducated loser with bad grammar on youtube does not have all the answers.
You have to be pretty ignorant to think one needs to be a scientist in order to state the obvious. There are tons of experiments, studies and evidence proving consciousness originates in our brain not soul. There is NO evidence for soul but there is plenty of evidence that all that we experience originates from our brain and our nervous system. And it looks like it is you who is uneducated since you don't care to look around and find out on your own how much we already know about consciousness.
Wow you are responding at a frantic pace. Honestly, how much formal education do you have? Did you ever think that the advent of quantum mechanics and the fact that scientists claim there are 11-dimensions leaves open the possibility to things we have yet to discover?
I don't care to look around? I have read numerous studies and articles on consciousness. So consciousness originates from the brain? Wow, no fucking shit. I thought maybe consciousness developed in my feet. Loser.
First of all 11 dimensions and the M theory have nothing to do with Souls..
Second if you agree that consciousness originates in the brain then what you think that the SOUL is ? What is it needed then for ? If all our consciousness depends on the brain , souls are not needed to exist. Case closed..
I didn't say that it was borrowed from NDE'rs, I'm saying that long before said theories (10 or sometimes 11 dimensions, according to either superstring or M theory,) were developed, NDE'ers have came back claiming that there were the same number of vibrational 'planes of existance'. What I'm saying is that this information aligns with what it just now being discovered, not that the idea was 'ripped off'.
third...My education level is definitely higher then yours. And just because there are things still to be discovered does not make it true that souls exist, nor does it make the possibility of their existence any higher. It is as if you want to say that we should not really believe that the earth is a sphere since there is still so much to be discovered. Pretty irrational thinking.
1.) Your logic is flawed. 2.) I am pretty sure you don't have a doctorate in anything. I thought you didn't need an education b/c everything is so "obvious."
You seem to think that consciousness completely eliminates any type of higher existence, just b/c we have sensory perception. Doubt it.
Listen man, i have no problem with thinking critically and questioning concepts like a soul or higher being. However, you are NOT thinking critically; read something besides wikipedia.
Haha, you have to be kidding me. What type of higher existence are you talking about? You watched to many movies? Matrix? Or do you believe in personal god that is why you are stuck on existence of souls?
thebull go youtube.. "Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?" and watch the video.. you don't know what you are talking about, and have a lot to learn about existence of GOD, SOULS, GHOSTS etc....
With Steven Pinker? Yeah, I know. He is brilliant, but other neurologists don't agree with the conclusions he jumps to. You don't have to break everything down into dualism and just being a single machine.
Did you honestly sign into two names? Dude I hope not because that is fucking pathetic.
Apparently you know more than Carl Sagan, who was an agnostic. He once stated that he was not an atheist, since they claimed to know much more than he ever could.
A person with a severe lack of understanding for the English language and whose only retort is saying "uhhh it just doesn't exist b/c it's common sense" -- well, you just are not as smart as Carl Sagan, put it that way.
Read Michio Kaku (if you even know who that is). He can open up your mind to how much and how little we understand and the infinite possibilities of science.
However, one thing reading actually can NOT do is make you less of a fucking loser. You have evolved into just a lame, uninteresting human being.
Again, there is no souls. You want to believe in souls, gods, auras, ghosts, and all other stuff ? Go ahead, but there is no proof for existence of them at all, better yet, there is plenty of proof that these things don't exist...
The Question is not whether After Life Exists or Not....Even if it Exists....Then what people throughout the Entire World gonna do about It. Will they go about killin themselve 2 hav another Birth if not Happy vid their Present Life? "Life After Death" belief teaches every1 2 be Fearless Truthful in their Deeds n Benevolent 2 every Living Creature as dogs mice cat n other livin creatures r also subject 2 same Nature's law of Re-Birth
I don't believe reincarnation is forced. I just think that when we go back home we become own worst enemy, looking at our life with detached compassion and without being burdened by raw emotions. I think we would feel obligated to learn whatever lessons we were supposed to before we cut our life short.
'coz of their Honesty r the ones who r Strong & Fearless"...Those who suffer coz of their crimes r Feeble and Fearful"...Pain in itself is not a determining factor but the REASON for Pain n Suffering definitely is...
It seems that to a certain extent Science and Religion are just the sides of the same coin, to supress the knowledge that has existed since ancient civilizations, I talk this way because I personally experienced an astral projection on august of 2007 and a Near Death experience this 25 of Feb. Honestly!! Believe it or not it´s your choice not mine at all, I know what it feels like to die physically.
there is no heaven no hell, only another existence, transcendence into another dimension, thats all no god no golden streets, but everyone will be there. their energy will go on just like yours. into the infinite reaches of space.
The afterlife has been scientifically confirmed. A secret diary recently exposed to the public has revealed to this truth to the world. Find out more at doesaccount. com. Copy and paste 3 times and help build the staircase to heaven.
twarks144 please don't bring science into your superstitious bull. Rationalists struggle ceaselessly with the acquisition of verifiable proof and the best thing you can come up with is "A secret diary" ??? Seriously man, grow up.
gdmadix ur absolutly rong, if theres no life after death why are why learning, living, having emotions, if u dont believe on that thats like u saying u have no soul, because wat makes u move? ur organs, watr makes ur organs move? this is just my opinion man, after we die our mind and spirit are finnaly free...
The chemical and electrical processes in your brain are what make you move. Hence when it takes damage it doesnt function properly and neither do you, your memories, perception etc.
God is real, and He loves you.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
Science is the only source I can trust when it comes to life after death. Fucking fairy tales from all the "holy books".. it's hard to find information about this without people mentioning "god".
mimikawaii7386 3 months ago
@StarRider1250 You actually believe all this cant, don't you? Your are a product of a repetitive set of uninvestigated creed and dogma pushed at you by a church and societal ethic that has you and those you love by the balls. And you DON'T EVEN KNOW IT! Uninvestigated because it was passed down from generation to generation without any analysis or challenge. Generations in lockstep. "If it was good enough for my pappy and grandpappy, it's good enough for me." YOU got a problem on transit, buddy.
deltavee2 3 months ago
@StarRider1250 Sooooooo who decided it was to be 1,000 years? And what happens when the 1,000 years are up? Do a little digging and you will find we don't use years in the next phase of life. There is no time as it is known on this grubby little dirtball. Distinguishing between events provides the markers.
deltavee2 3 months ago
StarRider1250 replied to deltavee2 "Who decided? The God who created your puny ass did!" The Source doesn't USE time. Get it thru your head that there's NO TIME (or judgement) in the next phase of life. Events mark important points, not watches. You drop your body and carry everything that you are with you as you change levels. The life you experience after leaving your body behind fits the kind of life you lived here. Goodguy=goodlife. Badguy=roughertime, hanging with those just like him.
deltavee2 3 months ago
@StarRider1250 the bible is bullshit the bible means nothing neither does any stupid little fake god of yours.
Kam69Infernal 5 months ago
@StarRider1250 prove it.
Kam69Infernal 5 months ago
someone kill themselves then tell us what happened
RudeEliminator 8 months ago
@RudeEliminator from my research I can conclude that many people will be sad, some will find sick joy and the dupe who offed his or herself, will be dead forever.
GeorgieWise 6 months ago
I would love to be convinced of an afterlife and have gone back and forth from believer to non believer, but there doesn't seem to be any objective evidence. Experiments have been carried out in hospital resuscitation areas where hidden symbols were placed for people to "see" during out of body experiences, but to my knowledge, none of the symbols have ever been accurately recorded.
cpnkd7 8 months ago
i think when your dead your dead. but once your dead you can be born again surely? just as someone else? a sperm and a egg creates a person so when im dead surely il just come back as someone else?
joefrench555 11 months ago
@joefrench555 Joe, leave a banana outside for 2 weeks. It will break down, the cells of the banana will become food for creatures. The potassium will find its way into the soil and will help produce plants. Thats pretty much the way it is for us too. We become dust , dust that is useful though. Our cells go on and become parts of other things so in a way we do live forever because nothing is wasted in the universe. It may sound like hippy bullshit but thats the simple science.
cullyvan 10 months ago
@cullyvan thats not life after death though its just rotting away. and if your in a coffin the dust will just stay inside it lol
joefrench555 10 months ago
@cullyvan well, this is what i mean. u have proof right in front of your nose and still deny. lol and GOD was always. I guess you never heard of the beginning of the world? But, you are right. our body does decay. BUT! our soul goes on. What do you have to say about hateful athesist that have this? hmmmm I am sure u will come up with something. nothing worth while. but something. u should not bother to learn about these things. u must be a scientist. lol they hate the truth more than anyone. :o)
LanaV6 9 months ago
@LanaV6 I'm not hateful, and I'm not an atheist I'm agnostic. None of us can possibly KNOW if theres a god or not. I repeat , nobody knows and if you think you do you are deluded.
cullyvan 9 months ago
@cullyvan I was not referring to u or anyone else athesist. But that even hateful atheists have NDE and it changes their lives forever. They say, they are sorry for what they said, for cursing those who believed etc. That is what I meant. I am sure you r not hateful. I was not referring to u. I hope you have a good night.
LanaV6 9 months ago
Someone once said, and you will forgive me as I cant remember who, but someone once said, "Belief that there is no Survival of Death is the ultimate form of Optimism."
Whats more terrifying, Oblivion? Or the thought that you will actually exist for eternity?
BeingTheHuman 11 months ago
@BeingTheHuman I agree with that.
cullyvan 10 months ago
all the atoms that make you including your body and brain up existed before you were born, so this means your consciousness must be a seperate thing that the atoms (soul) because ur atoms have existed long before u were alive thus there must be a soul or u face the paradoxical conclusion of u were alive before born yet this is actually true ironically yet in the form of a soul...
what I just said is undeniable, there must be life after death :D
deanmullen10 1 year ago
...and uh Crooks invented tv and saw dead people so theres life after death...and uh Einstein was dumb....
schmoops3000 1 year ago
@schmoops3000 part 2 a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real
LanaV6 1 year ago
@schmoops3000 part 3 about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
i researched did u?
LanaV6 1 year ago
@LanaV6 Not really sure if your making an argument...sounds like a pretty terrible scientist. Good scientists don't presume a truth before they make a hypothesis dependent on that truth (like God ordered the world, order reveals his thoughts)...not really sure what is needed to be "researched" - random quotes I presume? Oh, not sure how you were going to use Einstein.but God is more of a metaphor in his work - he doesn't believe any the nonsense about knowing thoughts of a personal god.
schmoops3000 1 year ago
@schmoops3000 When he got mad for being an atheist. well, that means he does believe. And there was that quote he said as well. i am just writting what he said. About him saying science with GOD... more and more scientist are starting to believe anyhow. saying there was a greater force at work here, or someone or something knew what they were doing, etc. i am not trying to argue anything. just saying. ;O)
LanaV6 1 year ago
The only life after death is the life of the maggots.
tallliza 1 year ago
what youre saying confirms what exactly what Jesus told the selfritgheous pharisees and chief priests of the jews 2000 yrs ago. thou one came back from the dead you still wont beleive"
49128 1 year ago
I agree. If there's life after death for humans, then there's life after death for every other animal/lifeform on the planet too. That only makes sense.
gukonni 1 year ago
@gukonni You hit the nail on the head. Squarely.
deltavee2 3 months ago
the search of truth and knowledge is one of the finest attributes of man
though often it is most loudly voiced by those who strive for it the least
albert einstein
mayrom992 1 year ago
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mayrom992 1 year ago
lol dumbasses!!! god is fucking proof. and for people that say where is proof of gad than? look the fuck around you!!!!!!!! damn im so tired of all these skeptics, why the hell are we here if there is nothing after death? how did we get here huh "oh we evolved" ha! how did that animal we evolved from get here? A FUCKING INTELIGIENCE! dumb asses to the max. pretty messed up we say that the be ing that created us isnt real when the creator is why were here. fuck you all you will all see in the end
februaryCritical 1 year ago
@februaryCritical i like your attitude lol, affirmative righteousness and i wholly agree with you about the proof being all around you. we are the proof, how can a man look at his hand and arm and think that it was made out of chance? even the world itself. we know as humans it takes knowledge to create something there is no doubt about that so why dont they see that the biggest creation was made by the biggest creator? they want a piece of paper thrown down from the sky that says god is real??
TheFinalPage 10 months ago
No proof so far from nobody that there is life after death. NEAR death experiances are what the word says :"near" death. No scientist, no philosopher, no religion has any proof at all. If so, proof it! But then the cat bites its tail when said" You have to belive to get proof!" Easy way out. Modern is now the "quantom".
Maybe there are intersting experiments and results, but no proof for life after death.
It is a huge market cause of the great desire for THE answer...someday we know. Or nothing!
hausgraus 1 year ago
@hausgraus Based on what I learned, there is no proof for anything, science's job is to disprove alternative explanations. I agree, though, that these sorts of claims require a lot more evidence. Seems like everyone has their own version of survival after death and everyone has their own form of "evidence". I guess we'll all know sooner or later who was right.
TonyDent84 1 year ago
Its simply human vanity. Thats my opinion. Why is there not life after death for parakeets ?
cullyvan 1 year ago
@cullyvan who says there isn't?
endofscene 1 year ago
@cullyvan what do u mean? who said there wasnt life after death for parakeets?
TheFinalPage 10 months ago
@TheFinalPage Oh man, sorry. youre right.
cullyvan 10 months ago
hmm the cycle of the human is evidently seen here on Earth, that is birth, life and death, however death is nothing to do with carrying consciousness...
Life after death means that your body is put back into the Earth, fertilises the soil and allows new life to be born, aka plants, etc... that is something that can be measured on Earth.. and that is the real meaning of life after death, not the spiritual which is perhaps a misunderstanding, and wishful thinking on most parts.
stephenp1131986 1 year ago
I did not get the scientist names he said, can someone write them down? Thanks
Nesh108 1 year ago
I enjoy watching videos like these and reading some of the comments looking for a way to avoid judgement by God and a way to continue with there immoral lives, remove God and they remove the need to be accountable.
Look God is real and life after death is, weather you believe this or not it does not matter, I have never seen so many people who cant wait to enter oblivion, nothingness... without God thats what you have.
sonicSUB 1 year ago
In truth Einstein's theory of Relativity did not eliminate the ether. Even if Einstein's theory of Relativity had eliminated the ether that does not say anything about life after death. Einsteinian Relativity and the life after death have never been and never will be incongruous. In fact Einstein played a major part in advancing our knowledge and understanding of time and space, matter and energy, all of which has bearing on spirituality.
endofscene 1 year ago
Time is perceived, and differently in species and perhaps individuals within a species. Time is also perceived differently though out an individuals life. At death time must also be perceived differently and perhaps time is irrelevant at death. The mind may "die" but doesn't know it because time is irrelevant. If time ceases to exist No one Ever Really Dies or N.E.R.D.
guitark3 1 year ago
This video already lost points in my books when he said that proof of an afterlife would infuriate the world. Most people believe in an afterlife, proof of it would not infuriate anyone. Proof of afterlife would turn atheist into theist, as their standards will be met.
Smashkirby 1 year ago
@Smashkirby he was talking about the establishment not the masses. unfortunately the few rule the many. the establishment can handle religion but it cannot survive with a population truly free from nonsense and highly spiritual
joemoe23 1 year ago
@Smashkirby atheist turning into theists does not automatically follow if there was proof of an afterlife. Jains are not theists for example
GBJ83 1 year ago
@Smashkirby
Using your logic, one could say that once you leave the womb, their is ample evidence that atheists witnessing it become theists. Fear of Death really is a human invention. To be life after death is really a misnomer. We know so little about life, that to say we all go to heaven or oblivion is really wishful and unenlightened thinking.
Aurelian603 1 year ago
bull...... LOL prove it and I will believe it.
alcaraz1963 1 year ago
Is this guy a scientist?
Batamon1997 1 year ago
@Batamon1997
He's an enthusiast for life after death, who once visited a "materialisation medium" who made a dead loved one appear (in a dark room) and he considered he got enough evidence for it to be proof. He has an engineer friend who helped to develop his theories. What he says reminds me a bit of what Pim Van Lommel, a doctor who is interested in NDEs, says. He thinks consciousness might exist outside normal time and space and survive death. I don't think either of them have enough proof
orlando098 1 year ago
To my way of thinking, the conscious, aware "Self" is established by the structures and processes of the nervous system... If those structures become destroyed and those processes cease, there is nothing left to establish the conscious, aware "Self," and we become once more like we were before we were born, you know -- non-existent...
^,,^
TheWildAssCopyCat 1 year ago
One day everyone will beg for the one true God. We'll beg for him to save us, but only a relative few will be.
jobehuron 1 year ago
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jobehuron 1 year ago
@jobehuron What about Muhammad? Or Hindu? A lot of people believe those gods are the only way into heaven. Are you saying all those people are wrong but you're right? The childish ways of religions makes me giggle, but none the less, it depresses me. But I guess Humans are still evolving, and one day we will phase out of our irrational ways and start acting like mature adults.
Letgoofmylighter 1 year ago
@Letgoofmylighter I don't find religion funny, as you do... but I do find it depressing as you do. If one were to actually sit down and read the Bible, it would still be up to God to put the truth in their hearts... the truth about everything that's so clearly there for those who have faith. We're all sinners, and we need Jesus. He's jealous, not Of us, but FOR us. Living to die is no way to live, but that's exactly what most people do without Jesus. I'll pray for you, myself and everyone else.
jobehuron 1 year ago
@jobehuron I don't believe in your Bible any more than I believe in the Ghita, or the Koran, or the Vedas, or any other religious "divinely inspired" book. One of the things that is wrong with religion is that it teaches us to be satisfied with answers which are not really answers at all. It is about turning untested belief into unshakable truth through the power of institutions and the passage of time.
Letgoofmylighter 1 year ago
@Letgoofmylighter Everyone will believe when Jesus returns. But it'll be too late for the majority. Without a supreme being such as God, nevermind the laws... the joy of watching children grow up, pets, well being, friends, family, work, games. Nevermind it all, because as far as people like you are concerned we have only darkness to look forward to. Yeah, think again. Real hard. Open your eyes to the world and KNOW you were created for much more than nothing. Wake up, because God loves you!
jobehuron 1 year ago
@jobehuron There really is no point disputing a religious fanatic like you. Everything I say goes through one ear and comes out the other. You, and many a like, will just not listen because you already know the truth. The arrogance of human kind in this day is just mind-boggling. I'm sorry but what you're trying to tell me is believe in Jesus first, then understand why I'm believing. It just doesn't work that way to a rational person.
Letgoofmylighter 1 year ago
@Letgoofmylighter As you profess to know how life works in it's entirety, I wonder if you mind explaining to me how what you type and post for all to read can possibly go in one ear and out the other? In the hearing sense, that is.
jobehuron 1 year ago
@jobehuron To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy. I am patient with stupidity, but not with those who are proud of it. As you switch this debate into a mockery, I'll leave this argument gladly.
Letgoofmylighter 1 year ago
@Letgoofmylighter God help you. May he bring your ideas on what happens after bodily death to light for your benefit. Because as I mentioned before... if this life is all we have, say there was truly nothing after death... then all life is pointless.
jobehuron 1 year ago
@Letgoofmylighter God help you. May he bring your ideas on what happens after bodily death to light for your benefit. Because as I mentioned before... if this life is all we have, say there was truly nothing after death... then all life is pointless.
@jobehuron
How does that follow? If this life is all there is then we should focus on enjoying it as much as possible here and now, being as loving and productive as possible. Is a concert of a film or a book meaningless because it ends?
orlando098 1 year ago
.....we have no proof for life after death, these videos are 15 years old or so and Michael Roll has still not managed to prove anything concrete. As for Christianity, the early Christians taught Jesus was coming back and he would raise all the faithful into new immortal bodies. That was the main message, not "going to Heaven as a spirit". And I see no evidence of it happenning.
orlando098 1 year ago
The idea of life after death is bollocks.
Wabeberu 1 year ago
@Wabeberu how do you know?
mountainmanbear 1 year ago
Lol, you could claim anything and use the "world is round" argument..
kimflie 1 year ago
Very interesting and well hypothesized.
drjackflash 1 year ago
The three dimensional world which we live in is but the lowest vibrating frequency upon the conscious level. These other realities or dimensions (spiritworld) are merely other vibrational realities vibrating at a rate beyond human comprehension, Evolution changes according to these vibrational changes. These invisible realms are composed of very subtle energy, and through the gradual evolution in spirit the energy becomes more subtle. I'm sure many are going to be in for a shock one day.
Agui007 1 year ago
@Agui007 You can believe in your vibrational realities if you want. I prefer to believe that life exists solely because the cosmic pink unicorn with a horn shaped like a 20-inch penis wills it.
Hey, there's absolutely zero evidence for either belief, so my belief in the cosmic unicorn is just as valid as your belief in the cosmic vibrator.
sleazybtd 1 year ago
@sleazybtd This is rather foolish and being stupid won't get you truth if you don't make any effort to look for it. It's not a belief..it's FACT DO SOME RESEARCH!
Agui007 1 year ago
If you died, and that was it... you were dead, and there was nothing else: Then you live to die. You simply live and die. That is a very upsetting way to think about all the things we go through on this world, good and bad. I absolutely believe Jesus is that that one true way to eternal life with him. He wants us all, even atheists. Look up Ian McCormack, who was once an atheist. There's a great ten part testimony, and I do mean great, about his near death situation.
jobehuron 1 year ago
@jobehuron The only afterlife, is the life of the maggots.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@jobehuron Look up Dan Barker, preacher turned atheist. He has great reasons why christianity is bs.
mountainmanbear 1 year ago
I'm trying to find out if there is a way for someone to revive after death, I mean after activity in the brain stops. (Scientific approach)
MultiBrados 1 year ago
@MultiBrados I don't think so. Once the heart stops giving blood to the brain it becomes oxygen starved and then starts to become damaged. It is a very fragile organ and very complex.
mountainmanbear 1 year ago
This guys a joke! Crookes fiddled with electron beams in vacuum tubes - Ferdinand Braun invented the CRT -
Michelson & Morely disproved the existence of Aether way before reletivity - it their experiment was very important in Quantum mechanics research.
This is just a load of name - dropping drivel with no proof.
ginganz13 1 year ago
there is no life after death
SeizeAllDays 1 year ago
google Doe's Account...mindblowing stuff
TheGucccc 1 year ago
Only the bravest pioneering scientists want to reveal the truth of the true nature of Quantum Entanglement or Quantum Coherence suggested by Dr. Stuart Hammeroff. The conventional establishment has been regressive in terms to pursuing the truth because the interest of these establishments overlaps the truth, reason, common sense and logic. Even the theory of Infinity where nothing is created nor destroyed; they only transform from one manifestation to another.
VerseInfinitum 1 year ago
nothing in the universe is created or destroyed, things just change form. human consciousness is not an exception to this.
nothingness is the only thing that is non-existent.
Etek322 1 year ago
if ur looking 4 scientific proof 4 life after death just google:sir william crookes (& look @ his photographs,ect.)
mssharpie 1 year ago
This is such nonsense. Why would the discovery of life after death anger scientists? This guy thinks that scientists are trying to maintain the status quo. If that were the case, then there would never be any new discoveries.
Anyone who can provide proof of life after death would win the Nobel Prize for science.
I would love to see what laboratory tests were performed 100 years ago which shows proof of life after death, that he was talking about.
sleazybtd 2 years ago
@sleazybtd you're a dick. there is an existence after death. fucking closed minded twerps, they do my head in. go read up in the subject. there is shitloads of proof that consciousness exists outside the body.
a closed mind is an example of a feeble mind.
shiki5876 2 years ago
Show me the evidence. Cite one piece of evidence which cannot be explained as a hallucination or dream.
Open-mindedness does not mean you believe everything you hear, that's just "gullible". Open-minded means you're willing to look at the evidence before coming to a conclusion. I have never seen any evidence proving the existence of life after death.
sleazybtd 2 years ago
Um, scientists are trying to maintain the status quo.
Why do you think they blindly dismiss anything to do with the paranormal, despite the mountain of evidence.
Michael Roll knows what he's talking about.
hyonchingonchon 2 years ago
Mountain of evidence for the paranormal? Are you kidding me?
James Randi has a one million dollar challenge. Anyone who can prove the existence of any paranormal activity under controlled conditions will get the million dollars.
So far, he's debunked every challenger as a fake. Search for his videos on YouTube, he has a habit of making paranormal investigators look like morons.
sleazybtd 2 years ago
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hyonchingonchon 2 years ago
@sleazybtd no, but some some scientists are too sceptic to aknowledge something like this, almost nomatter what evidence are brought to the,.
well if you want to see it, then i guess you should read the fucking book.
Kikkankleiven 1 year ago
Do you believe that there is some conspiracy by scientists to keep it all covered up? If yes, then why would scientists do it? Science is about increasing human knowledge, what knowledge is there to gain from covering this up?
Science has guidelines on what can be presented as evidence and how it is to be presented. Photos and eyewitness accounts are not acceptable.
James Randi has a $1million prize for whoever can prove the paranormal. Many have tried to claim it, all have failed.
sleazybtd 1 year ago
@sleazybtd Because the world works best when controlled through fear. What do religions do...especially the Catholic Church..they control through fear. Yes it is indeed all covered up because the few who have the finances within the field of mainstream science block this information as myth to the public. Can you imagine how people would react if they discovered the truth that they and their loved ones lived on? The reaction would be one of joy. All life is vibrational energy.
Agui007 1 year ago
Gentlemen, there is no need for a tv discussion on this topic. You are wasting valuable air time. You want to know what happens when you die? More people are born throughout the world to replace you.
You want to know "what it's like"? The same as it "was like" before you were conceived. Wake up. There are no goodies waiting for you. It's not about you. Live with it.
ejdf870 2 years ago
This is such bullshit. Are the mental retards still alive in the next world too? What do they do, drool all day in the presence of God? What about people with Alzheimer's? Do they even know where they are or who they are?
Slacktoo 2 years ago
Why not repeat the experiment with camera's rolling? Extraodinary claims require extraordinary proof!
Robikus 2 years ago
Where did this guy get his degree?
slicingwater 2 years ago
Perhaps the most surprising scientific evidence for the soul comes from quantum mechanics—specifically, from investigations of the subatomic phenomena that produce consciousness. Stuart Hameroff, an anesthesiologist who has spent many years studying brain functions, has collaborated with renowned Oxford University polymath Roger Penrose on a model that explains consciousness as the result of quantum processes occurring in tiny structures called microtubules in brain cells.
thebull284 2 years ago 10
Not sure if I agree (way over my head) but the video and study is interesting.
thebull284 2 years ago
Why do you imagine that a model of consciousness is anything to do with 'souls'?
herbiepop 2 years ago
I'm not sure what you mean, but this was actually a quote from a couple of physicists performing experiments on human consciousness. If you notice, I put that this was way over my head.
I don't make any claims comparing consciousness and any type of "soul." I was arguing that human consciousness originating in the brain does not prove or disprove a "soul" or higher consciousness.
thebull284 2 years ago
You said: "Perhaps the most surprising scientific evidence for the soul..." as though Penrose's work had anything to do with claims for the exitence of a soul when it is merely a model of consciousness.
herbiepop 2 years ago
I copied that quote directly from a website that displayed the findings of his work. It was block quoted. I copied and pasted it.
thebull284 2 years ago
Not a very reliable source then was it?
herbiepop 2 years ago
@thebull284 Quantum Consciousness is a hypothesis, not a theory. It has no proof behind it WHATSOEVER. Perhaps we will find out more about the process of consciousness later, but for now all we know is it resides somewhere in the brain, if not all of it.
Smashkirby 1 year ago
@thebull284
And does that suggest any proof for the idea that the "soul" survives death? It doesn't sound like it
orlando098 1 year ago
How about this one.. Life after death and existence of souls are nice stories that humans want to believe in because they are afraid that this is the only life they will get. This Carl Sagan quote fits in pretty nicely "The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's little good evidence..."
gskowal 2 years ago
I agree with the last quote, and want to establish that I have no idea if there is life after death or a "soul" or an energy transfer after death. However, nothing is more annoying than a self-assured atheist whose only argument is that it is just a "fairy tale." That is not an argument but a cop-out.
Quantum mechanics and the fact that particles can go in and out of existence is mind-boggling to me.
thebull284 2 years ago 14
@thebull284 Nobody understands quantum mechanics...not even the top scientists. We're not even sure if particles ARE going in and out of existence. Atheist base their beliefs on the lack of evidence from the opposing argument's side, not from the abundance of it in theirs. Any way you look at it...most religions are just fairy tales. And if you see that as a cop out; if I told you a giant purple pikachu was in your garage, would you believe me? If you didn't, would it be a cop out?
Smashkirby 1 year ago
The same Sagan who once said "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." You have evidence for souls? or "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
Anyway.. The knowledge we have today is a collective one, and many smart man in the past were mistaken about other things. Just because someone was smart it does not make them always right.
gskowal 2 years ago
there is no GOD or SOULS or ANGELS or LIFE AFTER DEATH. you have to be stupid to believe in all those things.
WhyYouGottaLie 2 years ago
I think your stupid
ourgreedisagame 2 years ago
but thats your opinion.
ourgreedisagame 2 years ago
Youve gotta be a dumb fuck to not believe in them. Get the hell off my youtube.
OchrismongrelO 2 years ago
his logic so faulty, how can one compare flatness/roundness of planet to life after death? THERE IS NO EVIDENCE for life after death so this whole video is pointless.
gskowal 2 years ago
Then there is no evidence that there isn't life after death.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
There is no evidence that there isn't 5 feet long roaches that eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches living in the solar system right next to ours, but does it make true that they do exist? Hell know... I`ll bring out the famous quote, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". So if you want to make it true that there is life after death you need to prove it.
gskowal 2 years ago
Your reasoning is, 'It sounds stupid so therefore it couldn't possibly be true?' In all honesty you have never been to the next solar system so your answer should be they may or may not exist yet I cannot prove it either way. You really are no more rational than me.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
frogstomp, process of elimination is a great thing, one can eliminate ideas that sound irrationally... if there is no evidence for someone's claim like life after death why should some one believe in it... How can there be life after death if life is material. You live until your brain and body are working. Once they die you( your consciousness) dies with it, forever. Our consciousness comes from our mind not from some other system(soul).
gskowal 2 years ago
You are not dead! You do not have any more clue what happens to us after the lights go out than anybody else and everything you said is an assumption.
You are eliminatiing ideas based on nothing whatsoever. Just like I am going to do with your argument, which sounds irrational to me.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
If i chop my hand of will it grow back? NO , IF i DIE i `m DEAD, plain and simple. I`m only alive because my body and my mind is alive. If my mind dies I`m dead. It is also plain and simple. There is no life after dead because why would it be? In order for the concept of life after death to be a true one needs to believe in souls. Why would i believe in a SOUL? there is no evidence for it . Our consciousness comes from our mind and not form some other system outside of our brains.
gskowal 2 years ago
With that said let's part ways and let our words speak for themselves.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
Assuming that there is life after death is irrational. We humans are only alive because our biological structure is alive. It is silly to believe that there is some type of aura/soul outside of our bodies where we are living as well and our bodies are some type of robots we control from the outside. Very silly idea...
gskowal 2 years ago
But you are not making any argument whatsoever. You tell me I'm assuming when everything you have said is an assumption. There is no life after death because when the mind is dead that's it? Well I'm convinced.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
I`m assuming? so when for example i eat food and my body processes it into energy I am assuming that i ate the food and it was processed? Or is it really how it happened? Again, our consciousness comes from out mind not from some outside invisible system(ex. SOUL or Aura , whatever you want to call it). And it is not an assumption but a scientific FACT.
gskowal 2 years ago
And science is perfect?
Were they perfect when for almost a millenium they thought the earth was the center of the universe? Were they perfect when they thought the liver was the most important organ and the heart was unimportant, only realizing their mistake about 400 or so years ago? What about when it was assumed that the world was flat and you could sail off the ends of the earth? What about when scientists thoughts protein was our source for heredity and not DNA?
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
You can blame Christian church for believing in flat earth, since they are the ones who oppressed those who said it otherwise. Just because people did not know what they know now don't blame science for it. SCIENCE IS A STUDY not some SUPERNATURAL BOOK that one can read and know the answer right they way. You are making no sense, you want to blame science? lol ! You forget how easy your live is thanks to science... hypocrite..
gskowal 2 years ago
I wasn't blaming science for anything. Science does not get everything right the first time around.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
Who's saying that this is the first time science has started to study consciousness? We have been studying this subject for a long time, we still have a long time to go but it does not mean we know nothing about it. People that claim life after death, existence of GOD and any other supernatural things are the ones who are ASSUMING existence of those things. All these are assumptions with no evidence what so ever, unlike Science that is all about evidence.
gskowal 2 years ago
The only person who truly knows what happens to us after we die are the ones who are no longer here to give an opinion then. You can say all you want but you know no more than anyone else.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
Well and you are mistaken here.. If there is no life after death then they really don't know what happens to them. Since their consciousness dies with them.
It's not about knowing more then anyone else. It is logical thinking that if consciousness is something in our mind and the mind dies, consciousness will die with it. If my heart is part of my body and my body dies, my heart will die with it. It's all simple to understand.
gskowal 2 years ago
Now, if you believe in GOD and all other supernatural stuff, then it's no wonder why would you believe in life after death. But just because you believe in something without any evidence it does not make it true. In this case it is all assumption based on faith and belief.
gskowal 2 years ago
That is not a scientific fact. Science has neither proved nor disproved a "soul" or "spirit." Please, curb your ignorance. You do not have all the answers.
thebull284 2 years ago
Science has proved where does the conscious come from .... and it's not from a soul.. so believe whatever fairy tales you want to believe...
gskowal 2 years ago
Haha, I love the "fairy tale" argument that comes from the "enlightened" digital arts majors on youtube. I mean, I highly doubt you have some form of higher education to be so self-assured on the secrets to our existence.
thebull284 2 years ago
haha "enlightened" ? Science is an enlightenment, religion? dumbing down the masses..
gskowal 2 years ago
Way to go off point. So you have conducted complex experiments on the human mind and how it works? Doubt it. We are just beginning to understand how we work and the development of consciousness. To simply toss around insults (bad ones at that) does not bring anything to the conversation.
I don't know if there is or is not a God. All I know is that some uneducated loser with bad grammar on youtube does not have all the answers.
thebull284 2 years ago
You have to be pretty ignorant to think one needs to be a scientist in order to state the obvious. There are tons of experiments, studies and evidence proving consciousness originates in our brain not soul. There is NO evidence for soul but there is plenty of evidence that all that we experience originates from our brain and our nervous system. And it looks like it is you who is uneducated since you don't care to look around and find out on your own how much we already know about consciousness.
gskowal 2 years ago
Wow you are responding at a frantic pace. Honestly, how much formal education do you have? Did you ever think that the advent of quantum mechanics and the fact that scientists claim there are 11-dimensions leaves open the possibility to things we have yet to discover?
I don't care to look around? I have read numerous studies and articles on consciousness. So consciousness originates from the brain? Wow, no fucking shit. I thought maybe consciousness developed in my feet. Loser.
thebull284 2 years ago
First of all 11 dimensions and the M theory have nothing to do with Souls..
Second if you agree that consciousness originates in the brain then what you think that the SOUL is ? What is it needed then for ? If all our consciousness depends on the brain , souls are not needed to exist. Case closed..
gskowal 2 years ago
Actually long before M Theory was developed, quite a few NDE'ers had came back claiming that there were 11 'vibrational planes' of existance.
OchrismongrelO 2 years ago
ohhh please... vibrational planes... yeah i also had a theory of 11 chocolates.. heard about that one?
gskowal 2 years ago
.....okay, so now you're wanting to refute reknowned quantum physicists?
OchrismongrelO 2 years ago
I'm not refuting the string theory and 11 dimensions what i'm laughing at is your idea that the string theory was borrowed from NDE'ers.
gskowal 2 years ago
I didn't say that it was borrowed from NDE'rs, I'm saying that long before said theories (10 or sometimes 11 dimensions, according to either superstring or M theory,) were developed, NDE'ers have came back claiming that there were the same number of vibrational 'planes of existance'. What I'm saying is that this information aligns with what it just now being discovered, not that the idea was 'ripped off'.
OchrismongrelO 2 years ago
third...My education level is definitely higher then yours. And just because there are things still to be discovered does not make it true that souls exist, nor does it make the possibility of their existence any higher. It is as if you want to say that we should not really believe that the earth is a sphere since there is still so much to be discovered. Pretty irrational thinking.
gskowal 2 years ago
1.) Your logic is flawed. 2.) I am pretty sure you don't have a doctorate in anything. I thought you didn't need an education b/c everything is so "obvious."
You seem to think that consciousness completely eliminates any type of higher existence, just b/c we have sensory perception. Doubt it.
Listen man, i have no problem with thinking critically and questioning concepts like a soul or higher being. However, you are NOT thinking critically; read something besides wikipedia.
thebull284 2 years ago
Haha, you have to be kidding me. What type of higher existence are you talking about? You watched to many movies? Matrix? Or do you believe in personal god that is why you are stuck on existence of souls?
gskowal 2 years ago
thebull go youtube.. "Ghost in the Machine: Is there a soul?" and watch the video.. you don't know what you are talking about, and have a lot to learn about existence of GOD, SOULS, GHOSTS etc....
gskowal 2 years ago
With Steven Pinker? Yeah, I know. He is brilliant, but other neurologists don't agree with the conclusions he jumps to. You don't have to break everything down into dualism and just being a single machine.
Did you honestly sign into two names? Dude I hope not because that is fucking pathetic.
thebull284 2 years ago
sing into two name? wtf? I got one name for few years why would I use other names? pretty stupid...
gskowal 2 years ago
Apparently you know more than Carl Sagan, who was an agnostic. He once stated that he was not an atheist, since they claimed to know much more than he ever could.
A person with a severe lack of understanding for the English language and whose only retort is saying "uhhh it just doesn't exist b/c it's common sense" -- well, you just are not as smart as Carl Sagan, put it that way.
thebull284 2 years ago
Read Michio Kaku (if you even know who that is). He can open up your mind to how much and how little we understand and the infinite possibilities of science.
However, one thing reading actually can NOT do is make you less of a fucking loser. You have evolved into just a lame, uninteresting human being.
thebull284 2 years ago
Haha man you are ignorant. I've read Michio Kaku. Let me ask you a question, are you religious?
gskowal 2 years ago
Negative but I certainly don't discount the possibility.
Do you know another term besides "ignorant."
thebull284 2 years ago
how about "stupid"? you like that one? or something else? unschooled? this one matches you pretty good..
gskowal 2 years ago
" less of a fucking loser." pretty childish behavior... Just points out your ingnorance..
gskowal 2 years ago
Again, there is no souls. You want to believe in souls, gods, auras, ghosts, and all other stuff ? Go ahead, but there is no proof for existence of them at all, better yet, there is plenty of proof that these things don't exist...
gskowal 2 years ago
Auras are scientificly proven...
NicolaiRM 2 years ago
No they are not scientifically proven. You just make stuff up , no wonder you guys believe in stuff like that, you make shit up as you go...
gskowal 2 years ago
Auras are not scientifically proven.. get your facts straight..
gskowal 2 years ago
I agree wid u...frogstomp121
ggaurava1 2 years ago 2
The Question is not whether After Life Exists or Not....Even if it Exists....Then what people throughout the Entire World gonna do about It. Will they go about killin themselve 2 hav another Birth if not Happy vid their Present Life? "Life After Death" belief teaches every1 2 be Fearless Truthful in their Deeds n Benevolent 2 every Living Creature as dogs mice cat n other livin creatures r also subject 2 same Nature's law of Re-Birth
ggaurava1 2 years ago
If they kill themselves they can expect to come back in pretty much the same circumstances.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
that's eye opener!!!
ggaurava1 2 years ago
I don't believe reincarnation is forced. I just think that when we go back home we become own worst enemy, looking at our life with detached compassion and without being burdened by raw emotions. I think we would feel obligated to learn whatever lessons we were supposed to before we cut our life short.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago 2
Some people's lives are incredibly painful, no matter how strong and fearless they are.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
Frogstomp121..."Those who experience pain
'coz of their Honesty r the ones who r Strong & Fearless"...Those who suffer coz of their crimes r Feeble and Fearful"...Pain in itself is not a determining factor but the REASON for Pain n Suffering definitely is...
ggaurava1 2 years ago
It seems that to a certain extent Science and Religion are just the sides of the same coin, to supress the knowledge that has existed since ancient civilizations, I talk this way because I personally experienced an astral projection on august of 2007 and a Near Death experience this 25 of Feb. Honestly!! Believe it or not it´s your choice not mine at all, I know what it feels like to die physically.
rmggautama 2 years ago
there is no heaven no hell, only another existence, transcendence into another dimension, thats all no god no golden streets, but everyone will be there. their energy will go on just like yours. into the infinite reaches of space.
nicenhower 2 years ago
Its amazing that the afterlife has been confirmed. Doe's Account is the sharpest thing to touch humanity
sweetlapaz 2 years ago
The afterlife has been scientifically confirmed. A secret diary recently exposed to the public has revealed to this truth to the world. Find out more at doesaccount. com. Copy and paste 3 times and help build the staircase to heaven.
twarks144 2 years ago
twarks144 please don't bring science into your superstitious bull. Rationalists struggle ceaselessly with the acquisition of verifiable proof and the best thing you can come up with is "A secret diary" ??? Seriously man, grow up.
Drweavil 2 years ago
gdmadix ur absolutly rong, if theres no life after death why are why learning, living, having emotions, if u dont believe on that thats like u saying u have no soul, because wat makes u move? ur organs, watr makes ur organs move? this is just my opinion man, after we die our mind and spirit are finnaly free...
blackingscorpion 2 years ago
The chemical and electrical processes in your brain are what make you move. Hence when it takes damage it doesnt function properly and neither do you, your memories, perception etc.
JaredNomac 2 years ago
I had this cross and put it around my neck for th