37003 fires up

[RRSalvageMan]

Great stuff! Loved seeing them live in the 80s while stationed in the UK! Thanks! Those were favorite locos to catch on a freight. Reminds of an Alco.

[jaylivewire1]

Dis is stupid who gives a shit

[Bonavil1]

Van neki GREEN-CARD?

[wii2050]

Trouble breathing?

[irelandbloke]

Yummy

[Caveej]

well, that was interesting.

[suetonius1]

love the sound of the 37's firing up

[Caveej]

@suetonius1 sounds like a dirty wet fart

[celticbobb]

wow its hotter than a Deltics crankcase in here ...you train guys get soooo angry.

[Holtaay]

they cost a lot to service and sort art well the early original diesel-lectrics did anyway....reight workhorses tho eh?

[SuperSimonsimple]

Turns me on seeing that...

[xXxchipperchopperxXx]

sometimes i like to wrap my penis in toilet paper and pretend its a ghost

[AvoDJ]

this is just a video about a train, i'm sure there's no need for all this silly name calling!!

[assh0lechr1s]

even the trees in the background are leafless because of the gases

[CapeTrains]

You can do it... you can do it....maybe ya can't do it...

[gmsd70mac]

alright kids lets fight nicely!!!!! lets just enjoy the classics, for one day we'll be like that loco -retired!

[daveytn]

the twin "00" looks like double spectacles xD

[kevleisa]

love those little 37s

[watzemannsdorfer1]

ein Verschrottungskandidat !

[j69buckjumper]

you obviously haven't watched an ALCO start up, same sort of vintage, same smoke.

[sparkie931403]

@j69buckjumper The EE engine in this is based on the Alco 251 design

[j69buckjumper]

@sparkie931403 Nope, the Alco 251 is a development of the 244 first tested in 1946, is a v16 with 9 inch bore cylinders. The 10.5 inch bore EE v12 in the Class 37 is a development of the v16 first run in the UK in 1947 but this engine was itself a development of the EE 6KT 6cyl of 1930's vintage. It has no connection with Alco.

[sparkie931403]

@j69buckjumper I see, I was on going off what I was told, thank you for the informative reply! :)

[MonochromeLoco]

great clip :)

[cocert09]

Noisy.

Wail, wind down, wail, wind down etc...

Want one badly!

[PRL2204]

dude seriously, why do those locomotives give off so much smoke? here in america, they usually only give one very small puff of smoke for like 2 or 3 seconds and they're on.

[05111605]

Ha! just watched this and got an advert up for "carbon offsetting"!.

[TrainmasterCurt]

@GreatTunesCo Amen to that!

[nessnes64]

'its beautiful'

ITS.A.TRAIN 

[Hanglands]

I just love the split box 37s. Was it only the 37/0s that had them?

[scriltist]

@Hanglands 37001-119 (D6701-6818 & 6700) were the split-headcode ones. A lot of them were rebuilt into different sub-classes in the mid-'80s. There were no sub-classes before the refurbishment programme - they were all just 37s, numbered from 37001-37308.

[ALANSWEETIES99]

I was bit scarey about train, might be could be explosion!!!

[mckenndk]

I hate to say it but the noise of an english loco will never grow on me EMD loco's always sound better starting up, none of this put put

[1madaboutguitar]

Train enthusiasts - 1 0 - EnvironMENTALists

[171apples171]

so do trains ever need motor rebuilds? I thought white smoke meant that it was burning oil. unless thats just seepage on from the valves from sitting so long.

[37260]

@171apples171

Nearly all English Electric locos will give off white smoke when the engine is started, its just what they do.

[fixitdude74]

@37260 actually white smoke is unburnt fuel from a cold diesel.

[erlbutternut]

@37260 White smoke in a diesel = Incomplete combustion. A cylinder that big, on start up, cold, and in full rack? Gonna see some smoke:)

[TandemDawgBMG]

@37260 1. that's not electric, it's diesel electric. 2. Why waste all that oil for the smoke? 3. That thing is a danger to the ozone layer

[37260]

@TandemDawgBMG

1. At no point did I ever say it was electric.

2. Its not done on purpose, its just how that type of loco starts after 50 years.

3. Well, I don't need a "3" as the first two were so good.

[37260]

@TandemDawgBMG

1. At no point did I ever say it was electric.

2. Its not done on purpose, its just how that type of loco starts after 50 years.

3. Well, I don't need a "3" as the first two were so good.

[TandemDawgBMG]

@37260 it says the word electric right after the word english you idiot

[37260]

@TandemDawgBMG

Thats because it was built by a company called English Electric you idiot.

[TandemDawgBMG]

@37260 well then you should've specified, it's your video after all

[tgm9991]

@TandemDawgBMG You really are the most dumb person that I have had the pleasure of reading comments from. Thanks for cheering me up though

[TandemDawgBMG]

@tgm9991 thanks for being a hater, i appreciate all my adoring fans

[2midtownmadness]

@TandemDawgBMG Oh just shut up and enjoy the video will you?

[tonightwefly]

@37260 Hahaha so funny just reading your exchanges with tandem, made me chuckle

[37260]

@tonightwefly The blokes got no idea ! Haven't laughed so much for years. The thing is, if he'd asked I would have explained but instead he went in all high and mighty thinking he knows more than everyone else :-)))))

[smokeuout009]

@TandemDawgBMG who needs a ozone haha



[jake66000]

@TandemDawgBMG when a diesel smokes its actualy better than a gas engine for the ozone because the smoke is soot that falls back down to earth

[xrmad]

@TandemDawgBMG 1 burning oil produces blue smoke 2 white smoke is either water in the fuel or condensation in the motor/exhaust

[gilessmokey]

@xrmad white smoke = unburnt fuel.

[origionalwinja]

@TandemDawgBMG ugg another moron that dont know shit about the ozone layer vomiting retarded inaccurate BS from morons that know nothing about the environment... uggg

[dogloverobx]

@TandemDawgBMG Oh go fuck your self.. coward

[TandemDawgBMG]

@dogloverobx haters gotta live somewhere :P

[aussietraindriver]

@171apples171 its unburnt fuel. not oil. when fule is burnt cold it emits white smoke.

[aussietraindriver]

@171apples171  Its unburnt fuel, when diesel engines dont burn fuel properly ite emits white smoke. usually only when cold.

[mardukcz]

@171apples171 white smoke always means water leak. burning oil produces dark blue-ish smoke.

[Kurttermansen42]

@mardukcz White smoke from a cold diesel is unburned diesel or more right unexploded diesel

[zekezero12345]

@171apples171 It is burning oil - diesel oil........ Just not very efficiently at start up - hence the white smoke.

[PRL2204]

@171apples171 white smoke or black.. that's WAY too much pollution right there. i'm appalled they even still let that run. if it works, great, but somehow try to get the startup a little cleaner maybe?

[gunitfor]

@PRL2204 you should put carbon tax on cows you know they give the same amount of pollution as a small car

[MrXyrixer]

@171apples171

white smoke = unburned diesel

black smoke = partially burned diesel

[cocert09]

@171apples171 Might just be the age of the motor causing the white smoke. Don't look to bad though.

[MOJONIXION]

@171apples171 diesel fuel is oil . Railroads here in the USA use low grade diesel. Even a brand new locomotive will puff some white smoke on start up. Flames will come out of the stack if the fuel injectors stick and is over rich. Looks like after burners on a jet fighter plane at night.

[harley333man]

@171apples171 With a diesel engine, white smoke is unburnt fuel, black smoke is burning lubricating oil. On a petrol engine, it's the other way round, white for burning lubricating oil, black for not properly burning petrol.

[anapeg100]

@171apples171 , white smoke upon starting is invariably un-burnt diesel fuel as they tend to over-fuel and run rich until all cylinders are firing.

[DjTommyKx]

@171apples171 of course they do... All engines eventually wear to a point where they would require forms of rebuilds. Purply blue= oil White= coolant And I have also noticed this too! the White smoke coming out the stacks on cold starts with UK locos

[onionman113]

@171apples171 white only appears upon start up b/c they aren't at running tempature. 

[Hanglands]

Nicely caught start up. Love it!

[motherfucker669]

take that global warming

[tspcrowther]

mmm I like crappy looking british ones, there ugly cause they were built to do a job by the lowest bider... But I like the american ones too caus there built big to haul much heavy loads over much longer distances.... But which is better.... Theres only one way to find out...... Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!! : )

[j69buckjumper]

@tspcrowther These EE locos were based on american 1950s ' high nose' designs by EMD, F-M, Baldwin etc, so if they kook crappy to you then so do the yank ones.

[kratos32godofwar]

u idiot no ther not wat so english electric made 66s andwat ever 70s r?? i dnt fink so mate

[kratos32godofwar]

yeh r british locos and i mean ..."REAL BRITISH LOCOS" r fucking hell of a lot better looking thn ur american shit i men look at all the american locos they all sound the same and look the same no difference in them at all and these locos r not from ur shitty designs ther british designed the best our locos all hav a distinctive sound to them and they look different....and thts all u need to know

[ROBLOXROX007]

@kratos32godofwar - Actually we have a Class 66 and 70 that are made from the same company that made Dash 9's...

[iceman977th]

They're weird-, but cool-looking at the same time. They have a nice character to them until the horn chimes in (sorry guys :P), other than that, I like them, but not more than the muscle in America.

[DLWJohn]

I dont think they're that bad looking, at least theres some variety over there still...I'd take one of these any day over the sea of boring GE widecabs here in the US.

[markbradleyf1]

fair comment mate! they are nice arent they; loads of character!

[smiffy1071]

The styling of these early British locomotives, was based on 1940's/50's AMERICAN locomotives.

So are you insulting your own culture here?

[troy12n]

@smiffy1071

Something was definetly lost in translation because Alco PA's and EMD E and F units from the 50's (in America) were worlds better looking than these ugly and crappy running pieces of junk.

[HFStuart]

Oh good, another us vs them - give it a rest.

Whatever you think of the looks you don't keep a fleet of locos in service for the best part of 50 years if they're 'crappy pieces of junk'

[iceman977th]

@HFStuart yes you do.

[markbradleyf1]

actually; they were replicating German designs!!

[Mytimekid]

Global warming is basically more money for bastards. I love the sound of a diesel, be it a loco or dmu. All these stupid comments are from people who find Deal or no Deal challenging.

[hitch840]

Fuck off robpri you thick ignorant cunt!!!!

[robpri]

save the planet and scrap all diesels now !

[ramonnie007]

if you scrap all the diesels now, you don't have a lot of locomotives left, dumbass

[robpri]

Obviously build some electric lines and power units first; they could use electricity from hydro, wind and wave. I reckon we could have the whole lot scrapped within 5 years. This engine start up is an absolute disgrace.

[ramonnie007]

there will always be people who like these engines, so you can't scrap tham all!

and electric lines can't run on wind electricity, it can't be stored on a battery because the railways need it directly.

and the wind is not always powerfull enough to m0ve a turbine.

so no wind means no electricity, and no trains!

[MrMedderzEa]

@ramonnie007 thats a very good comment that mother nature doesnt always want to play ball with us, u cant scrap them all either people preserve these locos so really they will never go away ;) good bring on the CLAG :P

[ForceDoG]

-.- You are suck...

[Xx69roadrunnerxX]

What a fucking moron!!! Scraping all diesel would shut down the world economy and society. They power every neccesary vehicle in the world that transports goods and resources from food to materials!!! That is soot. wild fires, camp fire, volcanoes produce more every year than all the worlds diesels combined every could or do! Gasoline creates far more "toxic" emission, but you cant see them. Diesel has 20% more BTU's (heat energy untis) per volume unit than gasonline. Way more than electricity.

[robpri]

I piss on you and your diesels. You probably jack off to a 37 starting up, you sad miserable fuckwad.

[Xx69roadrunnerxX]

So sound like a kid and are clearly ignorant. You would not have this computer to type your bullshit with out diesel power nor the electricy to run it with no diesel powered machines to build power plants. You wouldnt have shit.

Why even look at these vids of you dont like diesel or smoke??????????????

Go ahead say somthing else and make yourself seem even stupider!!!! Your a disgrace to humanitiy.

[Xx69roadrunnerxX]

Your obvisously a stupid cunt that buys into all that global warming crap that is false!! You fucking ignorant sheep! Resent trends show global cooling.

Your an absolute disgrace that doesnt know shit about what your talking about. So do "global warming" a favor and kill yourself and stop emmitting all that hot air and bullshit out of your mouth!!!!!

Dont respond, I WONT read it!!

[smiffy1071]

It's NOT a Deltic!! this is a class 37 the Deltic was a class 55.

[BlackbookGuru]

Mmm... tasty pollution!

[localdu]

cleaner than gasoline. not as polluting as one might think. just because diesel engines have more smoke doesnt mean its dirtier than gas. in fact, diesel engines are about 15% more efficient than gas engines are, and with proper filtration of the exhaust, can be one of the cleanest meens of locomotion with today's affordable technology. things can be better, but that takes money... money nobody currently posseses or is willing to spend..

[applecounty]

Its all in the perception though I'm afraid.

[Shahidnabibullah]

Whatever the perception, the sound is great

[Geoffsmeg]

Fantastic - let it rip!!!! Classic BR Diesel!

[robertgift]

Interesting.

Why not aim a little higher to see the smoke plume?

What is done to start one of these engines?

Do they have glow plugs to ignite the aerosoled diesel mixture?

[smiffy1071]

I don't know that much, but I can tell you there no glow plugs, it just relies on the friction created by compression to start. I believe you need to circulate the oil around the engine for a few minutes before turning the engine. Maximum RPM for one od these engines is only about 800.... so the slow idle is very slow indeed!

[robertgift]

Yes, it would be nice to circulate oil on everything before starting the engine. Is that somehow possible? Electric oil pumps?

Thanks, Smiff, for the "no glowplugs" infomation.

Thoughthat glow plugs would make ignition easier and faster for start-up.

But also imagine thathesengines are not started much - unlike car and truck engines.

[smiffy1071]

When this beast was new (1960) diesel engine design was in its infancy. I'm not so sure if electric glow plugs had even been invented yet. Yes they do use electric oil priming pumps. What used to happen in practice, is they didn't shut off the engine very often, it would be left idling over night..after all, it was the tax payer who paid for the diesel fuel!

[robertgift]

Thanks.

Diesel fuel was dirt cheap, gasoline was cheap, so they let the engines idle rather than start and stop them daily.

There may also have been an expansion/ contraction of engine block and metal parts issue, etc., so best to leave it at an even hot temperature.

How did they start diesel truck engines if not glow plugs?

Witheiround "head" andown-curving windows, thesengines look like a sad dog.

[smiffy1071]

This is possible, but I'm no metalurgist!!

How to start diesel truck engines...using the Direct Injection method. Fuel is injected through a small port in the cylinder head, just as the piston reaches the top of its compression stroke. the fuel then ignites as it reaches the very hot air in the cylinder. With Indirect Injection, as found on smaller vans and cars, fuel is injected into a "swirl chamber", where there is also a glow plug to heat the air on initial start-up.

[robertgift]

Thank you,

I thought the glow plug was in the cylinder and initiated combustion by the injected fuel aerosol hitting the glow plug while also being heated in the compressed gasses.

I must learn more about this.

In China, the farmers have single cylinder diesel engines with a flywheel.

They have no electricity for glow plugs so it must be by compression alone.

Thanks.

[emperorgrant]

yeah, when the engines were widely used, they were often left idling overnight.

[choirboyfromhell1]

Nothing like thick oil in the governor to get her hunting as well..as bad as an Alco.

[6V92TA]

cant nothin smoke more than an ALCO.

[SONBoomer]

Yuck! What a pollution! How could people let these 'smog-tanks' go out to the main line?

[WhyAyeMann]

pollution yes, but some people like the engine. There are more important things to worry about than these engines.

[JanicekTrnecka]

In comparison with other means of transport , this is eco friendly even if start looks like catastrophe.

[SONBoomer]

I like them to, but they really, REALLY smoke when they start up...

[choirboyfromhell1]

That unit, once it is warmed up and not smoking, can haul 10-12 cars that carry up to a hundred passengers each, at speeds you drive down an expressway. Figure that is equivalent to at least a thousand automobiles. And diesel emit particulates; gasoline engines oxides, stuff that really kills. Think before you react.

[SONBoomer]

OK, you're right, but still, I wouldn't be on the top of that engine when it starts up...

[choirboyfromhell1]

I've had to tighten up strongbacks and lug nuts on exhaust headers on cranky Alco 251C's and had red hot exhaust expansion bellows blow next to me on GE FDL's. Trust me, I've had my fill of smelling this shit.

[woodscritter]

IIRC, current research indicates that diesel exhaust particulates are a BIG problem, partly because of the nasties that tag along on their huge surface area and their ability to pass deeply into our respiratory passages. The ~micron-size particles, essentially.

[gschjetne]

This is probably cleaner per ton of cargo hauled compared to road freight, though.

[37201xoim]

By about five to eight times :-)

[jumpinfool]

@gschjetne

that is actually a proven fact :) train may not be big in people carrying but a country's infrastructure such as the US, would collapse with out trains, for hauling obscene amount (tonnage wise) of cargo cross country.

[jizzmonger]

Gas engines also produce signifigant amounts of PM 2.5.

Diesels produce less Carbon Monoxide and less Hydrocarbons, they also burn less fuel.

They produce more Nox.

The trouble is that tackling NOx on a Diesel results in a very complex engine that also burns more fuel.

[Hanglands]

Brilliant vid, thanks!

[Hiei2k7]

Early EMDs did that, but about the 80s it stopped or EMD fixed it.

Alco Diesels are REALLY steam engines inside. look at all the Smoke!

[type2thrash]

Good odds this will be the starting trailer for 'carry on clagging' 3?! Didn't Visions sponsor the repaint?

[callinstead09]

the clag on some of these units scare me in a bad way O_O

[jonny7england]

Unbeleivable..perhaps this would persuade some people that you don't just turn a key to bring one of these beasts to life..though there would normally be some sort of extractor system in shed to disperse the smoke...railways wouldn't be railways without these great workhorses..

[merseyrail508124]

lovely sound and clag!!

[mistrzrzucaniarondla]

diesel power [;

[dempsey088]

Shut up you eco fag.

[MickeyLove01]

To me memories are BR ham sandwiches & a cup of tea, laughing at the anoraks on Peterborough station when a Deltic screamed past, seeing how far we could get on a Saturday morning without paying, having a full end coach to ourselves, getting black faces by sticking our heads out of the window all the way home and finding the best stations for sneaking out of!

[irishmanufan]

you're not comparing like with like . wait until the 66's are the same age as the 37 in this film ( if they make it that long ) then see how much clag they generate . fomr my experience with bus preservation it is the age of the engine that causes the truoble . 66's won't generate that same kind of smoke as they are no where near as old .

[phill37]

these pieces of junk as you put it will be around long after the 66's have been scrapped you'll see no 66's preserved

[DanielBrennan9]

Actually people should read up on their law terms before posting, slander is used when a false allegation is spoken by mouth, the term you sought is "Libel" where a false allegation is published by means of text.

[tpvalley]

Even then libel is not applicable to somebody simply saying a railway is in recievership or asking about it!

[tpvalley]

yes, engine oil pressure controls part of governor, more pressure backs off fuelling, so thicker, cold oil will have this effect;

up down up down until warmed up.

[tpvalley]

These r facts, many railways like this r anti diesel, read other comments that agree.

R u really so deluded as to think someone can be sued for saying someone is anti diesel, this is not america!

These r the opinions of the owner.

Slander indeed, u sound like a typical millitant steam enthusiast, the sort I'm talking about! wanker.

[mrspivvy]

Its a shame to hear about discrimination on preserved railways, like many other people I was born too late for steam to mean very much to me. yes I can appreciate the engineering but its something like a screaming deltic on full throttle that brings back the memories for me

[tpvalley]

Same here, but I wouldn't tell a steam buff that hes of less value etc.

I saw a deltic revving up at grosmont a while back, not moving just revving; talk about shrill!

[rendar1984]

The idle is so irregular. Why?

[s03jb]

I can anser your question. All diesels are like that when cold. Its idle gets better as it gets warmer.

[tpvalley]

So is the wensleydale railway out of recievership yet?

They wouldn't let the diesel loco's owners on site, but they would allow the steam loco people access, the owners have had real problems, another case of anti diesel preservation discrimination?

U get this on many railways, I stopped volunteering at NYMR because of this!

Fairness costs nothing!

anyone else had similar experiences?

[s03jb]

Chasewater railway is the same! I Work there and as you say it's all to do with "anti diesel". 37219 isnt booked untill next Febuary!! how unfair is that.

[type2thrash]

I bet les aint too chuffed about that!

[tpvalley]

Correction WEARDALE railway.

[cronauer1985]

would love to be in it when its started. i love any type of engine.

[SlyFox20061985]

Is this an english loco?

[formidable38]

Yes, English or to be precise, "English Electric" (built by, in 1961) These engines are old, old technology. The engines you have are probebly alot newer and greener, hence no smoke. Our 'new' engines dont smoke either.

[MDFusionVideo]

incorrect, a number of 66's havebeen seen clagging recently.

[type2thrash]

Have you ever seen 66's clagging banking on the lickey? I was quite suprised how claggy they can be!

[type2thrash]

Yeah like I said, on the Lickey!

[tpvalley]

The engine in this loco is based on a design that pre-dates 1945!

It is a V12 of 1750BHP @ 850rpm.

in 1947 or 1948 a V16 non intercooled version developing 1600bhp was used in 2 locomotives in england.

Similar engines r used all over the world in trains/ ships/ power stations etc.

[SlyFox20061985]

Can't understand what they do with their locos. Never seen that in Germany, our locos are clean and stop smoking after catching up. Cold start only takes 2 secons of black smoke, as normal with a diesel engine.

[volvomantom]

It might be worth noting that this locomotive is around forty years old and has probably seen about twenty years everyday, all day service.

[jimmylad53]

Wow there's more colours coming out of that exhaust than in a pack of jelly babies! Lovely!

[jakelee16]

The white smoke you see is because one of the cylinders is still cold when fired up .

[01276]

wheres this loco kept?

[cosican]

still smokes then

[dashloc]

ah ah ah:) smoking like an Alco !!!