In the wings of liberty campaign, stetmen observed that his pet zerg had very special cells durring incubation. One type always caused a random mutation; and created thousands of these cells were per day. The other kind destroyed all but the strongest of the mutated cells, depending on the environment. Had his pet evolved in lava, they'd have fire resistance, in water, they'd be aquatic. It only takes one generation to bring new mutations. Once reassimulated, all future zerg would get it too.
@draugtroll In case you realize DTs are coming, you just throw that Parasite on top of one your Overlords, for example, and you're set. Because the parasited Overlord can now detect the DTs, you can proceed to attack the DTs with your own units.
And you'd propably do well to always keep at least 50 energy (or whatever the cost of the Parasite will be) on your Viper in order to be able to emergency-cast the Parasite in case of DT rush.
So does it mean tha Viper is gona be a Detector?!? now that the overseer is gone?? ((((( Or back into brood war where broodlords where DETECTORS)))))wich is OP xD
¬¬ I call it flying Defiler. Why do you bring this "new units" if they're almost a copy of Brood War units!? Some good changes were made, but it seems they've run out of ideas. . .like that Battle Hellion aka Optimus Firebat
I'm sorry but the viper's abduct ability makes the game a whole lot more unrealistic. How does a small caster unit pull a massive thor or collosus with it's claws? It should work only on non-massive units.
why, some scientists proved that such existence(zerg) could be possible.. giving example of plants assimilating solar-power ability of a certain kind of bacteria, thus they have survived and become a dominant creature of the earth.
what the zerg actually do is morphing, not evolving. forcing a larvae's or underling's DNA to perform transformation into a new being whose dna once assimilated and altered.
the zerg is far too advanced in genetic engineering,
@bobbysnobby well them evolving isn't possible but its just bad wording seeing as morphing which is what the creators of the game meant to say is possible.
@bobbysnobby There are no such things as "biology laws". We know the rules and ways of biology on Earth only, and even here we've found some pretty curious examples of non-standard biology at work. Remeber we know the laws of Physics are translationally and temporally invariant, while we have no such knowledge for the workings of biology.
@Novaspes82 If you dont know what your talking about I would recommend not trying to correct people: Dollo's law of irreversibility, Darwin's second law of common ancestry, Darwin's third law of multiplication of species... actually im done you can google it. I study biological anthropology, focus on paleoanthropology which deals directly with evolution and many of its laws its clear you like spouting assertions with out any knowledge so just stop.
@Fakkan What about marine having unlimited bullets? Or how zergling run faster than viking? Terran players calling down unlimited amounts of MULES with out making them? What about making a building in a couple minutes?
@Fakkan Well, it would certainly be more realistic that way but considering that balance is the most important factor in sc2, it wouldn't make sense if it only pulled non-massive units.
@Fakkan Lol... Sure you never heard of the strenght of many insects... A man with the strength of one of them could lift a car or so... Then why a gigantic, hyper evolved, bug-like creature shouldn't not be able to move a Thor? And more important: It's a game.
youve obviously never played zerg in broodwar at anything about D-. you fucken PUSH with dark swarm too. you throw it ON the marines THEN run under it. and stop explaining to me what the spell does. i saw the video i know what it does. youre fucken stupid GG.
@DLuznyyy DUR DUR DUR its called the reply button. not only do you completely miss his point but you dont even know the basic functions of youtube DUR DUR DURRRRRR
This is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Terran could actually counter this with the shredder. Set up the shredder in the choke point, and if they have to withdraw out of the cloud, the shredders activate and still hold until the cloud disappears. Of course, this does make a choke point more costly, which is just a generally good thing.
@DLuznyyy dark swarm was a defensive spell that caused units in the cloud to be immune to ranged attacks. this spell is used offensively to reduce the enemies attack range
@DLuznyyy my point is that its clearly not the same as dark swarm. its not used in the same way. i see this being used on enemy tanks, stalkers, colossi, hydralisks, and especially marines. anything with decent range to make them unable to attack (since they cant get close enough. think about it. a big marine ball is powerful because they can all attack at once usualy. if you reduce all their range to 1 they become melee attackers which makes them useless
Eh, isn't it pretty obvious that if they cut overseer the viper will obviously have some means of detection. Also, yes cut means removed from the game, lol.
lmao, i like how the other races get ridiculous new units, and zerg not only gets a caster that is a shitty form of the sentry, but zerg also gets units CUT! hahahaha
@LabyrinthOfDream you are joking right? Ultralisks that have a burrow charge. Banelings that can move underground... and with vipers you can pull units like a collosus right out of a deathball and kill them off. How are they getting a cut? no Overseer, sure, but the viper also grants detection to other units. Protoss gets both the carrier and the mothership cut.
@ShatteredToDust first off, the ultra and baneling arent new, also i guarantee u those abilities will be nerfed to the point of nonexistence or removed within 3 months. but my point is that now zerg will HAVE to have a spire for detection to build the viper, the vipers ability can only be used once, and things like a flying unit pulling a collosus off a cliff ruin the suspension of disbelief
@LabyrinthOfDream Well... Also I know they are not new units but they gain new abilities. The ultra's I can see being kept because if you let your opponent build up enough ultras to leap in and kill your army. you deserve it. but running banelings underground. I just hope that they are only as fast as roaches. The detection is basically a support unit + detection, the building costs as much as a Robo. Where as the observer is an invisible detection. I just do not see the cut that the zerg gets.
@pteriyakii They are still in shock after watching the "Mists of Pandaria"... I too was exhausted after a full hour of LMFAO. OT Zerg units look pretty crafty to me, terran radioactive defence looks completely op and gay.
@CaptFwiffo Cuz you know toss haven't been getting everything they've been getting. a A click death ball. OP all ins. Still complaining YOU have it bad? Early all zerg can do is defend. Toss pretty much controls the whole match until we get infestors out and with your new duplicate thing, u get our infestors. gg zerg. Btw your grammar suxed in the last comment. You got lots of run on sentences. Btw judging on how you can't win with toss till high plats. im guessing your low gold to silver.
@CaptFwiffo leave it too teamliquid to make graphs of the game... why the fuck doesnt blizz ever make these well im sure they do but this is what thier patching should be based off not complaining, they could easily make ACCURATE ones that would show everything... blizzard is fucking weird.
@guitarpro925 the problem is, liquid graphs aren't actually accurate. they dont actually have all the data. Blizzard does and the balancing difference wasn't actually that bad. they we pretty close within 3% except, TvP. they were 7 off or something. I can't find the link but i saw it. Zerg was mostly 47~49ish per league in NA. in korea zerg is killing toss. Honestly, i think they'll never get the balancing right in sc2. too many mechanics and the fact that sc2 units dont mix as well as sc1 did
Heart of the swarm is the zergs expansion yet we have the shitty units and with all of the new bullshit the other races get basically make every zerg unit worse then they already are. Zergling run bys, not happening, i has arc cannons and shredders. Vipers? Vikings and blink stalkers tempest and all air toss will rape it. Swarm host? Shredders and obs plus anything. Zerg is going to suck. Everyone switch races.
@CaptFwiffo and even more so, I like how everyone used to 4 gate to masters, when that stopped everyone 2 gated to masters and now 3 gate robo. its mostly all in attacks. hmmm. Zerg, we have to react.... we have to actually micro instead of just deciding to a click move and blink every few seconds. What league are you anyways.
@CaptFwiffo Dude, im referring to the battlenet graph. Also, the reason i think toss people are usually horrible is because, honestly, what strats do toss even have other then 3 gate robo? I see toss people do that all the way to plat with nothing else up their sleeves. and btw, zerg are still doing bad. check in the lastest states derp on blizzard. Your soo blind to see how much blizzard favours you guys compared to anyone else. HOTS gets toss unit reveal first. they get more new units.
@CaptFwiffo right cuz thats soo weird right? the battlenet one says other wise, In korea, Zerg are killing toss, but in europe and in North America toss are kill zerg. And please look at the mlg. Zerg didnt even make it.. Also, you guys have the strongest units in the game u guys should be kicking everyones asses. you guys just can't play right cuz you pretty much all in all the way to plat then start losing like crazy cuz you cant play right afterwards.
@Perinormel Actually, Protoss. And it basically allows you to hook any massive unit from the protoss deathball... and instantly destroy it. Masters toss too
@capnkevy007 mimimi -.- wasnt the colossus all the time op? 2 of them and zerg had to build as counter 16 corruptors, could drop all lings and hydras ... this is balance, bad you played to op, T-click race and now you're gonna cry cause of beeing too lazy to cast a feedback ...
@Xyonon I wasent saying they shouldent make this unit. I think it's good for zerg because collosi is really op vs zerg. But it is still really op vs collosi, but thats no reason for them not to make it. sorry for the misunderstanding.
Viper casts blinding cloud disabling all protoss units from firing, then sentries cast FFs, then viper pulls colossus into zerg army, at the same time colossus crosses the FFs and breaks them because it's a massive unit... zerg rush in kill everything.
So, let me get this straight. Zerg has a way to break terran siege. Terran has a way to break terran siege. Protoss doesn't have a way to break terran siege.
@tehawes0mesauce I would try not comparing what I can only assume is WoW to SCII.
Zerg can break siege, Terran can kind of break siege, Protoss can with Replicants and Oracle harass giving you the advantage. It's the least direct method and Terran is the most direct one, but Tanks against Toss works little anyway - Chargelots dominate so unless he has Hellions (which you can simply counter with Blink Stalkers) then you're fine.
That seems a little imba to me. I mean you can pull units like colossus before you engage the death ball. So for 100 energy you are killing any unit you want with zerg... that seems just a bit broken to me. Zerg could deal with colossus as is with corruptors why do they need that ability?
@Recreantsmile I play Toss and Zerg but I am not a top level player either. How ever I do cover pro tournaments so I understand the game just fine. Terran is the only broken race IMO atm but that abduction spell is to much. If it only worked on non massive units I'd say ok. But 100 energy to snipe a colossus is a HUGE advantage for zerg in Zvp. Colossus is not only a huge investment of time and money but with out it mid-late game zerg can simply over whelm protoss with little to no resistance.
@Bdakkon It's mostly to break lines, it does harm the Colossus force a huge amount but that means that you need to be especially careful of how you use them now - Thermal Lances will nearly be essential.
Unless they decide it shouldn't work against massive units, giving use back to the Corruptor and their new Siphon ability.
@Thecrazyhide Thermal lance is already essential. Ever try using it without it? And the new blinding ability is ment to break lines not the "get over here" abduction. This is as I said ATM a 100 energy kill a unit of your choice spell. If it doesn't work on massive I'd say ok still would suck to get 2-4 units of your opponents choice get sniped for 100 energy each before the engage (mind you no other spell can do that ATM) Tanks are one thing I'm ok with that but Colossus is a huge investment.
@playerf Lol I play toss and zerg on a casual level but follow pro level play. The reason I said that tho is tanks cost about half as much as colossus and takes almost half the time. Losing one tank doesn't hurt the Terran ball nearly as much as the protoss losing a colossus.Besides with their blind ability zerg can rush a siege line without using abduction. Abduction is only good vs toss.ATM IMO (notice the IMO)
@Bdakkon I do feel that Blinding Cloud is more of a vT thing and the pull is a vP thing, but what's the problem in that ? I don't think either of us are good enough to judge balance of the game but saying if there is a problem which being pre-beta I'm pretty sure there is, I think it lies in Protoss' reliance on such expensive units. I already replied to you with what White-ra said, and I think it'd be much funner if my Adrenal Gland lings take on more than just Zealots with legs.
@Thecrazyhide But that's just it, that's what protoss is, the high cost fancy toys race. If toss was the low cost numbers race they would be zerg. I don't think there is anything wrong with the colossus itself the problem is with toss as a whole. They don't have the strong units they need to go toe to toe with zerg or terran they have to rely on FF storms and colossus or they simply can't win. mid-late. I just feel zerg have a decent number of solid units as well as terran but toss don't.
@Bdakkon Toss has that idea that they need key effectors for their main units to succeed - I think they could have more units than they do now without being the race that has such high costing ones. Upgrading Stalkers later game who let's be honest is not the strongest unit for its cost as well as improving how the Zealot works (if need be) would be very helpful as to the use the Colossus and High Templar have.
So yes I agree, Toss doesn't have the solid unit composition for the pull to work.
@Bdakkon Indeed I see your point but what I'm saying is that the pull is not necessarily overpowered because Protoss has key units structured that way. You have Replicants, harassers and another big Capital Ship now - I think the use of the Viper will force more small-arms play for Protoss, and White-ra himself said he wasn't happy with the units Protoss gotten, he wanted upgrades to your everyday Gateway units - which is why I feel that if they're implemented the Viper is a "fair" unit, right?
@Bdakkon because even 2 colossi are cut the zerglings and hydras and to counter colossi you need at least 16 corruptors to kill them efficiently, otherwise you get too fast too much damge and get overrun. after corruptor did deal with the colossi, they're useless and were wasting minerals. thats why they also gained the mineral drain ability.
@Xyonon LOL then we see Nestea go nothing but ling muta to counter toss and rape. :) You don;t need that many corruptors usually 2-3 per colossus works fine, tops 10. Usually you transition into brood lords after. But I do agree corruptors are not the best unit once you clear the air with them. I'd like to see them gain an ability to be recycled for 75% of their cost. Let me put it this way tho would it be fair if toss could recall any enemy unit and kill it? 100 to snipe a brood lord?
@Bdakkon Because if a zerg sees a collosi on the field, the zerg is allready dead. And the protoss has a unit that can become this unit. So if anny other race has an imba unit toss allso has that unit so TOSS WILL ALLWAYS BE IMBA! ****** Toss now has marines
@warior531 Another Zerg qqing wat a surprise..... Also, the replicant cost 200/200 , so i i wanna have a marine i have to pay 4xthe cost in mins + 200 gas.... Read yo facts b4 being n idiot
@warior531 Are you trolling or being dumb? O yeah ONE Marine for 200m200g with no way to medivac... OOO yeah so imba. How is it zerg still wins 50% of the time vs toss if colossus is so imba. geez I don't know what these pro gamers are doing then, why don't they just build a colossus and auto win? I mean this guy named warior531 on the internetz said it was true so it must be right? SIGH thank you tho you have reminded me why trying to have an intelligent conversation online is pointless.
As a terran I can't wait for HoTs the viper will make TvZ lategame so interesting lategame (If it's not to op)
TheZanursic 1 week ago
@bobbysnobby because plants are better than stars
ArtanisOwns 1 week ago
Make replicant to replicate viper.
Viper pull collosus out, replicant pull them back.
whycanticomein 1 week ago
does it work on tanks...?
WungTung 1 week ago
@WungTung yep altho why would you pull a tank when you can cloud it so that it can't shoot(no mellee attack)
balernoraccon 1 week ago
@balernoraccon ...i was asking if the cloud works on tanks
WungTung 4 days ago
@WungTung yes it does
balernoraccon 4 days ago
In the wings of liberty campaign, stetmen observed that his pet zerg had very special cells durring incubation. One type always caused a random mutation; and created thousands of these cells were per day. The other kind destroyed all but the strongest of the mutated cells, depending on the environment. Had his pet evolved in lava, they'd have fire resistance, in water, they'd be aquatic. It only takes one generation to bring new mutations. Once reassimulated, all future zerg would get it too.
Unholyheaven 2 weeks ago
"Can you kindly come down from there plz?"
KlineStife 3 weeks ago
0:06 dragonfly from Chernobyl...
KalyeStreet10 3 weeks ago
lol there are no laws of biology lol. The laws of physics apply to biology lol. You can't just make up a group of scientific laws.
stalkingcat123 3 weeks ago
i feel like the way it teleports units like that isn't very zergy
YZB25 4 weeks ago
i just got a hard on
ThePeRuAno18 1 month ago
will the viper still detected cloaked units? if not, then zerg will actually come weaker out of this expansion than before.
draugtroll 1 month ago
@draugtroll It should be a detector...
Xihdnar 1 month ago
@draugtroll & @Xihdnar
Viper will be able to cast a parasite into a friendly unit that gives the unit "Detector" ability.
TheTwilightUnicorn 4 weeks ago
@TheTwilightUnicorn
How is that gonna help me against dt's?
draugtroll 3 weeks ago
@draugtroll In case you realize DTs are coming, you just throw that Parasite on top of one your Overlords, for example, and you're set. Because the parasited Overlord can now detect the DTs, you can proceed to attack the DTs with your own units.
And you'd propably do well to always keep at least 50 energy (or whatever the cost of the Parasite will be) on your Viper in order to be able to emergency-cast the Parasite in case of DT rush.
TheTwilightUnicorn 3 weeks ago
This will not be as strong as black swarm. Because of the movements are inproved
chrstilen5 1 month ago
0:48 why not just burrow and move the banelings since that is their new change -_-
Roshan3L 1 month ago
Guess I'm switch to zerg :P
ItzCocoba 1 month ago
lol is it long to do? because if not protoss will just fast DT since theres no more overseer
Gr8axeK0 1 month ago
@Gr8axeK0 Lair level with no pre-req building.
s0utht0wnjr 1 month ago
zerg will be more op
nicbleu 1 month ago 4
Now all we need is an early game unit to counter that stupid Void Ray rush.
BallinBucket 1 month ago
@BallinBucket Queens 'n spores 'n hydras
Saukkomestari 1 month ago
HEART OF THE SWARM FTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!
48tank 1 month ago
Dark Swarm was WAY better. Heart of the Swarm will fail!
JDivinorumVideo 2 months ago
ah, i like the sound of Zerg getting OP :D
MrZomtox 2 months ago 2
defiler with wings
raiden1454 2 months ago 40
@raiden1454 Exactly what I was thinking, the AOE defiler damage cloud was so OP, lol.
larsulrich3356 1 month ago
op
caiostar2 2 months ago
@caiostar2 lol you suck
Xero555000 2 months ago
FUCKING BATTLEFIELD 3 COMMERCIAL
TheMakarone 2 months ago
So does it mean tha Viper is gona be a Detector?!? now that the overseer is gone?? ((((( Or back into brood war where broodlords where DETECTORS)))))wich is OP xD
Fowsed 2 months ago
¬¬ I call it flying Defiler. Why do you bring this "new units" if they're almost a copy of Brood War units!? Some good changes were made, but it seems they've run out of ideas. . .like that Battle Hellion aka Optimus Firebat
zerghalo2 2 months ago
I'm sorry but the viper's abduct ability makes the game a whole lot more unrealistic. How does a small caster unit pull a massive thor or collosus with it's claws? It should work only on non-massive units.
Fakkan 2 months ago
@Fakkan Realistic? what about evolving the zerg in 1-2 minutes that seems fine? Physics laws are important but biology laws arnt?
bobbysnobby 2 months ago 23
@Fakkan PHYSICAS? THIS IS STARCRAFT
MrBryanAndfriends 1 month ago
@bobbysnobby
why, some scientists proved that such existence(zerg) could be possible.. giving example of plants assimilating solar-power ability of a certain kind of bacteria, thus they have survived and become a dominant creature of the earth.
what the zerg actually do is morphing, not evolving. forcing a larvae's or underling's DNA to perform transformation into a new being whose dna once assimilated and altered.
the zerg is far too advanced in genetic engineering,
i am nerd
kespec 1 month ago 5
@bobbysnobby well them evolving isn't possible but its just bad wording seeing as morphing which is what the creators of the game meant to say is possible.
tenmaruhakuchou 1 month ago
@bobbysnobby
Zerg cellular division and replication is so advanced it doesn't matter.
UnnamedAirsoft 1 month ago
@bobbysnobby then.... the zerg players wld waith 1000000 years for a volution complete.. thats good for you?
TheMidnight182 1 month ago
@bobbysnobby There are no such things as "biology laws". We know the rules and ways of biology on Earth only, and even here we've found some pretty curious examples of non-standard biology at work. Remeber we know the laws of Physics are translationally and temporally invariant, while we have no such knowledge for the workings of biology.
Novaspes82 1 week ago
@Novaspes82 If you dont know what your talking about I would recommend not trying to correct people: Dollo's law of irreversibility, Darwin's second law of common ancestry, Darwin's third law of multiplication of species... actually im done you can google it. I study biological anthropology, focus on paleoanthropology which deals directly with evolution and many of its laws its clear you like spouting assertions with out any knowledge so just stop.
bobbysnobby 1 week ago
@Fakkan
Wow, this is Starcraft 2 we're talking about and you're complaining about shit being unrealistic? And who cares?
qwas12348gr5 2 months ago
@Fakkan What about marine having unlimited bullets? Or how zergling run faster than viking? Terran players calling down unlimited amounts of MULES with out making them? What about making a building in a couple minutes?
brizihe 1 month ago
@Fakkan Well, it would certainly be more realistic that way but considering that balance is the most important factor in sc2, it wouldn't make sense if it only pulled non-massive units.
Saukkomestari 1 month ago
@Fakkan Lol... Sure you never heard of the strenght of many insects... A man with the strength of one of them could lift a car or so... Then why a gigantic, hyper evolved, bug-like creature shouldn't not be able to move a Thor? And more important: It's a game.
People like you are unrealistic.
Xihdnar 1 month ago
Destiny's gunna have a fun time with this new unit...
1chanhakker 2 months ago
youve obviously never played zerg in broodwar at anything about D-. you fucken PUSH with dark swarm too. you throw it ON the marines THEN run under it. and stop explaining to me what the spell does. i saw the video i know what it does. youre fucken stupid GG.
DLuznyyy 2 months ago
@DLuznyyy DUR DUR DUR its called the reply button. not only do you completely miss his point but you dont even know the basic functions of youtube DUR DUR DURRRRRR
turkeysonmeth2 2 months ago
@DLuznyyy you have brood war experience but you are calling this dark swarm? its actually closer to disruption web. sigh....
PhukNgYu 2 months ago
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@DLuznyyy you have brood war experience but you are calling this dark swarm? its actually closer to disruption web. sigh....
PhukNgYu 2 months ago
Not good for siege tanks
anhmiuhv 2 months ago
This is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Terran could actually counter this with the shredder. Set up the shredder in the choke point, and if they have to withdraw out of the cloud, the shredders activate and still hold until the cloud disappears. Of course, this does make a choke point more costly, which is just a generally good thing.
Aedalor 2 months ago
it reduces the attacking units range to one, but of course, u can micro against this by simply moving the units out of the cloud...
flamingcarboard 2 months ago
so they brought back dark swarm and renamed it? wooooooow.......
DLuznyyy 2 months ago
@DLuznyyy dark swarm was a defensive spell that caused units in the cloud to be immune to ranged attacks. this spell is used offensively to reduce the enemies attack range
daret9056 2 months ago
@daret9056 I dont see your point. it's a weaker version of dark swarm in that ranged units can still attack with a range of 1. soooooo... stfu.
DLuznyyy 2 months ago
@DLuznyyy my point is that its clearly not the same as dark swarm. its not used in the same way. i see this being used on enemy tanks, stalkers, colossi, hydralisks, and especially marines. anything with decent range to make them unable to attack (since they cant get close enough. think about it. a big marine ball is powerful because they can all attack at once usualy. if you reduce all their range to 1 they become melee attackers which makes them useless
daret9056 2 months ago
Eh, isn't it pretty obvious that if they cut overseer the viper will obviously have some means of detection. Also, yes cut means removed from the game, lol.
chrizor 3 months ago
by saying overseer is cut they meen they remove it from the game?
mogoliapowah 3 months ago
LOL no clappiing= ALL TERRAN IN CROWD LOLOOLOL
TheMuffinRapist 3 months ago
i cant hear this video
jonluispena 3 months ago
lol... no cheers... no 1 person clapping awkwardly...
krap101 3 months ago
does this unit has detection? if overseer is cut means no more moving detection @@..
benj4min1990 3 months ago
finally something to counter marine seige tank
Aegis5461 3 months ago
this units is very overpowered @@
startingsprinter 3 months ago
its just a flying defiler!!
IsArtanisAzn 4 months ago
lmao, i like how the other races get ridiculous new units, and zerg not only gets a caster that is a shitty form of the sentry, but zerg also gets units CUT! hahahaha
LabyrinthOfDream 4 months ago
@LabyrinthOfDream you are joking right? Ultralisks that have a burrow charge. Banelings that can move underground... and with vipers you can pull units like a collosus right out of a deathball and kill them off. How are they getting a cut? no Overseer, sure, but the viper also grants detection to other units. Protoss gets both the carrier and the mothership cut.
ShatteredToDust 4 months ago
@ShatteredToDust first off, the ultra and baneling arent new, also i guarantee u those abilities will be nerfed to the point of nonexistence or removed within 3 months. but my point is that now zerg will HAVE to have a spire for detection to build the viper, the vipers ability can only be used once, and things like a flying unit pulling a collosus off a cliff ruin the suspension of disbelief
LabyrinthOfDream 4 months ago
@LabyrinthOfDream Well... Also I know they are not new units but they gain new abilities. The ultra's I can see being kept because if you let your opponent build up enough ultras to leap in and kill your army. you deserve it. but running banelings underground. I just hope that they are only as fast as roaches. The detection is basically a support unit + detection, the building costs as much as a Robo. Where as the observer is an invisible detection. I just do not see the cut that the zerg gets.
ShatteredToDust 3 months ago
even if they keep every other stupid unit they've announced along with this, I'll still be happy if they keep the quasi-dark swarm.
I've been saying this since the beta, zerg needs dark swarm.
wilce 4 months ago
GET OVER HERE!
CircleofModerators 4 months ago
bad ass. now banelings wont be retarted
mrp1kles 4 months ago
R.I.P Overseers.... :(
ManofEpicness 4 months ago
finally the answer to the most overpowered build in the entire game... marine seige tank
Xero555000 4 months ago
I WANTED THEM TO TAKE OUT THE op CANNONS FROM PROTOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CreatingDrake 4 months ago
GOD DAMMIT I CANT PICK A RACE NOW
CreatingDrake 4 months ago
This audience is awful xP
pteriyakii 4 months ago
@pteriyakii They are still in shock after watching the "Mists of Pandaria"... I too was exhausted after a full hour of LMFAO. OT Zerg units look pretty crafty to me, terran radioactive defence looks completely op and gay.
Ral5h 4 months ago
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@CaptFwiffo You're right, your pointless nonsense isn't worth reply.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
OP as fuck
5Happysmoke 4 months ago
@5Happysmoke i think every unit new unit is ridiculously good. Beta is gonna be an absolute mess, but it will eventually balance out.
MCSubliminalSol 4 months ago
@5Happysmoke not op, just somethin we need
Jamblesquack 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo Cuz you know toss haven't been getting everything they've been getting. a A click death ball. OP all ins. Still complaining YOU have it bad? Early all zerg can do is defend. Toss pretty much controls the whole match until we get infestors out and with your new duplicate thing, u get our infestors. gg zerg. Btw your grammar suxed in the last comment. You got lots of run on sentences. Btw judging on how you can't win with toss till high plats. im guessing your low gold to silver.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo leave it too teamliquid to make graphs of the game... why the fuck doesnt blizz ever make these well im sure they do but this is what thier patching should be based off not complaining, they could easily make ACCURATE ones that would show everything... blizzard is fucking weird.
guitarpro925 4 months ago
@guitarpro925 the problem is, liquid graphs aren't actually accurate. they dont actually have all the data. Blizzard does and the balancing difference wasn't actually that bad. they we pretty close within 3% except, TvP. they were 7 off or something. I can't find the link but i saw it. Zerg was mostly 47~49ish per league in NA. in korea zerg is killing toss. Honestly, i think they'll never get the balancing right in sc2. too many mechanics and the fact that sc2 units dont mix as well as sc1 did
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
1:14 GET THE @!#$ OVER HERE!!
x6xk1LLx9x 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo glad to see you dont listen. Meh u probably area trolling toss anyways just end for peat sakes.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
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Heart of the swarm is the zergs expansion yet we have the shitty units and with all of the new bullshit the other races get basically make every zerg unit worse then they already are. Zergling run bys, not happening, i has arc cannons and shredders. Vipers? Vikings and blink stalkers tempest and all air toss will rape it. Swarm host? Shredders and obs plus anything. Zerg is going to suck. Everyone switch races.
DannersStarcraft 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo yup it dont make sense to a bronze trolling noob.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
more starceaft 2 yeah blizzard chills me to the bone
JOEMLM 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo wait scratch that..... it pointless. w/e dont reply.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo and even more so, I like how everyone used to 4 gate to masters, when that stopped everyone 2 gated to masters and now 3 gate robo. its mostly all in attacks. hmmm. Zerg, we have to react.... we have to actually micro instead of just deciding to a click move and blink every few seconds. What league are you anyways.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo Dude, im referring to the battlenet graph. Also, the reason i think toss people are usually horrible is because, honestly, what strats do toss even have other then 3 gate robo? I see toss people do that all the way to plat with nothing else up their sleeves. and btw, zerg are still doing bad. check in the lastest states derp on blizzard. Your soo blind to see how much blizzard favours you guys compared to anyone else. HOTS gets toss unit reveal first. they get more new units.
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Zeldafanboi115 4 months ago
does blinding cloud work against air units?
gigs1890 4 months ago
@CaptFwiffo right cuz thats soo weird right? the battlenet one says other wise, In korea, Zerg are killing toss, but in europe and in North America toss are kill zerg. And please look at the mlg. Zerg didnt even make it.. Also, you guys have the strongest units in the game u guys should be kicking everyones asses. you guys just can't play right cuz you pretty much all in all the way to plat then start losing like crazy cuz you cant play right afterwards.
MoonPhysical 4 months ago
Broken
ArteezyRapz 4 months ago
@ArteezyRapz Says the guy who's getting Battle Hellions AND a fucking shredder. Cry more, Terran faggot.
Perinormel 4 months ago
@Perinormel Actually, Protoss. And it basically allows you to hook any massive unit from the protoss deathball... and instantly destroy it. Masters toss too
ArteezyRapz 4 months ago
Lol only the zergs were clapping while the protoss and terran were shaking their head for disapproval.
Yoonjin90 4 months ago
So the viper can overpass Protoss shield. Lets put this bio-technology on every Zerg now?
Doum92 4 months ago
GET OVER HERE~ Scorpion.
xzacutionar 4 months ago
@xzacutionar exactly what i though too ;) just missing Kog'Maw :D hahaha
Xyonon 4 months ago
@Xyonon
you fucking mad bro who said you can even speak the name of LoL in a SC2 blizzcon video ..... HOW DARE YOU X( you wanna get raped Sir ?
finalfrontier001 4 months ago
this is so op vs collosus. both blinding cloud and abduct
capnkevy007 4 months ago
@capnkevy007 mimimi -.- wasnt the colossus all the time op? 2 of them and zerg had to build as counter 16 corruptors, could drop all lings and hydras ... this is balance, bad you played to op, T-click race and now you're gonna cry cause of beeing too lazy to cast a feedback ...
Xyonon 4 months ago
@Xyonon I wasent saying they shouldent make this unit. I think it's good for zerg because collosi is really op vs zerg. But it is still really op vs collosi, but thats no reason for them not to make it. sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Zerololz 4 months ago
Toss will be fine: Nexus has recall and also can make their own Vipers and pull their collossi back to safety.
Zerololz 4 months ago
so... another collosus counter
capnkevy007 4 months ago
Force shield>blinding cloud :D
wiidiwii 4 months ago
@wiidiwii Yea right.
Viper casts blinding cloud disabling all protoss units from firing, then sentries cast FFs, then viper pulls colossus into zerg army, at the same time colossus crosses the FFs and breaks them because it's a massive unit... zerg rush in kill everything.
tofuman168 4 months ago
you cannot say the colossus is op now in pvz.
TheSoulSilv3r 4 months ago
Ok.
Now take out banelings pls.
starfox300 4 months ago
@starfox300 they just gained a burrow movement upgrade at the hive :3
Xyonon 4 months ago
zerg vs zerg = tug of war
outsiderzedge 4 months ago 13
@outsiderzedge PvZ = Tug of war too :) Toss replicate it and use it to pull back their collosi =]
Zerololz 4 months ago
Get over here.
SableDement 4 months ago
DARK SWARM!!!!!! Now I want my Lurker and Swarm Host BS
r3z3nd3 4 months ago
I have NO idea how they are going to balance these new units.
hanslol 4 months ago
are you fucking serious
redgixxer18 4 months ago
finally a op unit for zerg. bye bye tanks
ceifadorx 4 months ago in playlist Mais vídeos de StarCraftIGN
i sence an imba here....
Danieljosol 4 months ago
@Danieljosol
Did you see the terran new units? O_o. (Toss player here so trying not to be biased)
ricehasnolife 4 months ago
@ricehasnolife im toss also :)
thats why i sense the imba
Danieljosol 4 months ago
So, let me get this straight. Zerg has a way to break terran siege. Terran has a way to break terran siege. Protoss doesn't have a way to break terran siege.
Protoss is the paladin of SC2.
tehawes0mesauce 4 months ago
@tehawes0mesauce storm? colossus?
pxxner 4 months ago
@pxxner BUT THATS TOO EASY
tehawes0mesauce 4 months ago
@tehawes0mesauce I would try not comparing what I can only assume is WoW to SCII.
Zerg can break siege, Terran can kind of break siege, Protoss can with Replicants and Oracle harass giving you the advantage. It's the least direct method and Terran is the most direct one, but Tanks against Toss works little anyway - Chargelots dominate so unless he has Hellions (which you can simply counter with Blink Stalkers) then you're fine.
Thecrazyhide 4 months ago
@tehawes0mesauce protoss has a way to copy terran siege ;)
Xyonon 4 months ago
That seems a little imba to me. I mean you can pull units like colossus before you engage the death ball. So for 100 energy you are killing any unit you want with zerg... that seems just a bit broken to me. Zerg could deal with colossus as is with corruptors why do they need that ability?
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon to counter siege tanks
reviroth 4 months ago
@Bdakkon You obviously don't play zerg.
Recreantsmile 4 months ago 8
@Recreantsmile I play Toss and Zerg but I am not a top level player either. How ever I do cover pro tournaments so I understand the game just fine. Terran is the only broken race IMO atm but that abduction spell is to much. If it only worked on non massive units I'd say ok. But 100 energy to snipe a colossus is a HUGE advantage for zerg in Zvp. Colossus is not only a huge investment of time and money but with out it mid-late game zerg can simply over whelm protoss with little to no resistance.
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon
Because corruptors suck massive balls.
DR000 4 months ago
@Bdakkon It's mostly to break lines, it does harm the Colossus force a huge amount but that means that you need to be especially careful of how you use them now - Thermal Lances will nearly be essential.
Unless they decide it shouldn't work against massive units, giving use back to the Corruptor and their new Siphon ability.
Thecrazyhide 4 months ago
@Thecrazyhide Thermal lance is already essential. Ever try using it without it? And the new blinding ability is ment to break lines not the "get over here" abduction. This is as I said ATM a 100 energy kill a unit of your choice spell. If it doesn't work on massive I'd say ok still would suck to get 2-4 units of your opponents choice get sniped for 100 energy each before the engage (mind you no other spell can do that ATM) Tanks are one thing I'm ok with that but Colossus is a huge investment.
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon i can tell you play toss, lol. "Tanks are one thing I'm ok with that but Colossus is a huge investment."
playerf 4 months ago
@playerf Lol I play toss and zerg on a casual level but follow pro level play. The reason I said that tho is tanks cost about half as much as colossus and takes almost half the time. Losing one tank doesn't hurt the Terran ball nearly as much as the protoss losing a colossus.Besides with their blind ability zerg can rush a siege line without using abduction. Abduction is only good vs toss.ATM IMO (notice the IMO)
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon I do feel that Blinding Cloud is more of a vT thing and the pull is a vP thing, but what's the problem in that ? I don't think either of us are good enough to judge balance of the game but saying if there is a problem which being pre-beta I'm pretty sure there is, I think it lies in Protoss' reliance on such expensive units. I already replied to you with what White-ra said, and I think it'd be much funner if my Adrenal Gland lings take on more than just Zealots with legs.
Thecrazyhide 4 months ago
@Thecrazyhide But that's just it, that's what protoss is, the high cost fancy toys race. If toss was the low cost numbers race they would be zerg. I don't think there is anything wrong with the colossus itself the problem is with toss as a whole. They don't have the strong units they need to go toe to toe with zerg or terran they have to rely on FF storms and colossus or they simply can't win. mid-late. I just feel zerg have a decent number of solid units as well as terran but toss don't.
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon Toss has that idea that they need key effectors for their main units to succeed - I think they could have more units than they do now without being the race that has such high costing ones. Upgrading Stalkers later game who let's be honest is not the strongest unit for its cost as well as improving how the Zealot works (if need be) would be very helpful as to the use the Colossus and High Templar have.
So yes I agree, Toss doesn't have the solid unit composition for the pull to work.
Thecrazyhide 4 months ago
@Bdakkon i bow to your poignant bronze level analysis
playerf 4 months ago
@Bdakkon Indeed I see your point but what I'm saying is that the pull is not necessarily overpowered because Protoss has key units structured that way. You have Replicants, harassers and another big Capital Ship now - I think the use of the Viper will force more small-arms play for Protoss, and White-ra himself said he wasn't happy with the units Protoss gotten, he wanted upgrades to your everyday Gateway units - which is why I feel that if they're implemented the Viper is a "fair" unit, right?
Thecrazyhide 4 months ago
@Bdakkon because even 2 colossi are cut the zerglings and hydras and to counter colossi you need at least 16 corruptors to kill them efficiently, otherwise you get too fast too much damge and get overrun. after corruptor did deal with the colossi, they're useless and were wasting minerals. thats why they also gained the mineral drain ability.
Xyonon 4 months ago
@Xyonon LOL then we see Nestea go nothing but ling muta to counter toss and rape. :) You don;t need that many corruptors usually 2-3 per colossus works fine, tops 10. Usually you transition into brood lords after. But I do agree corruptors are not the best unit once you clear the air with them. I'd like to see them gain an ability to be recycled for 75% of their cost. Let me put it this way tho would it be fair if toss could recall any enemy unit and kill it? 100 to snipe a brood lord?
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon Because if a zerg sees a collosi on the field, the zerg is allready dead. And the protoss has a unit that can become this unit. So if anny other race has an imba unit toss allso has that unit so TOSS WILL ALLWAYS BE IMBA! ****** Toss now has marines
warior531 4 months ago
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@warior531 Another Zerg qqing wat a surprise..... Also, the replicant cost 200/200 , so i i wanna have a marine i have to pay 4xthe cost in mins + 200 gas.... Read yo facts b4 being n idiot
Zeldafanboi115 4 months ago
@warior531 Are you trolling or being dumb? O yeah ONE Marine for 200m200g with no way to medivac... OOO yeah so imba. How is it zerg still wins 50% of the time vs toss if colossus is so imba. geez I don't know what these pro gamers are doing then, why don't they just build a colossus and auto win? I mean this guy named warior531 on the internetz said it was true so it must be right? SIGH thank you tho you have reminded me why trying to have an intelligent conversation online is pointless.
Bdakkon 4 months ago
@Bdakkon Really, did you think i was serilous about you buying a marine for one marine? No it was a joke.
warior531 4 months ago
1. Vipers spot siege line
2. Vipers pull siege tanks
3. Infestors neural siege tanks
4. Now Terran has to break MY siege line >:D
LOLTHUGAIM 4 months ago 134
@LOLTHUGAIM How about some banshees? O.o
AvHealer 4 months ago
@AvHealer so - there are maybe some hydras, queens or mutas - viper got a detector skill, overseer is cut
Xyonon 4 months ago
@Xyonon Aw... No fair. It was supposed to be siege tanks + banshees and Infestors + Vipers.
AvHealer 4 months ago
@LOLTHUGAIM lol and combine that with swarm hosts
DharkDemonBlade 4 months ago
@LOLTHUGAIM you realy think every terran player focuses on tanks . ohhohoho your gavely mistaken there son ^^
while you focus on the front line my drop ships will have vaporized yr base with units while you gloat over yr siege line >:D
dreakheart 4 months ago
Vipers. Finally a counter to collosus/sentry.
I love it!
archlorddestin 4 months ago
:| uau
Naenphus 4 months ago
thx bliz finally those deathballs are gona get owned
chaosrave 4 months ago
Seriously, how can you lose with infestor-Viper-Lings/roach? Broodlords are no longer needed.
- Cloud = Nullify all ranged attacks
- Fungal growth = root stalkers and make'em useless in the cloud while taking damage
- Pull = Pull any collusus/immortal into your roach ball and insta kill them
= RoflStomp toss ''deathball''
I'm gonna go get me so many free wins as Z once HOTS comes out, lol.
GrandChamp1989 4 months ago
@GrandChamp1989 no i will get more wins with T once HOTS come out
matas525 4 months ago
@GrandChamp1989
1. theres a beta
2. you know about ht?
Xyonon 4 months ago
The marine + bunker example is such a joke. No micro what so ever.
SirChristoffee 4 months ago
@SirChristoffee and that from both sides - wich idiot attacks with baneling per attackmove!? ZOMG!!!
Xyonon 4 months ago
I can see that working really well if you run in and bile on a seige tank :P
ForgottenMemoryLost 4 months ago