Can You Imagine The Government Involved In End Of Life Choices?

[cwjolly69]

this dum bitch is pro Government she would follow Adolf Hitler to the grave

[mossimo654]

except for george bush...

Of whom she was immensely critical because he was expanding government in ways she thought inappropriate....

Hmm I wonder how that would hold up in the real world, or if said "real world" actually functioned on actual rhetoric instead of hitler analogies.

[tigerone1970]

(Sarcasm)

"If you want to think about End Of Life... Jesus Christ is a place to start with".

The Republicans want to CRUCIFY patients. Not metaphorically - literally.

What a solution. What a party.

(End sarcasm)

[corncat]

sad how Maddow doesn't see a difference between *defending* the lives of the elderly and pushing them to their end.

Mashing them together into the phrase "involving the government" might be cutesy rhetoric, but that doesn't make this into a contradiction.

No wonder her ratings are sinking so quickly

[daddydon48]

And Republicans wonder why they appeal only to dumb white folks in the South? Do as I say not as I do? Stick your bibles in your mouth, your guns up your ass and blow your brains out all you "dito heads"

[JixMa]

Re: Grassley. I very much hate this fucking asshole, this piece of shit, this undeserving prick that's in the U.S. Senate solely for his own personal gain.

[hajqbvii]

The President should hold a town hall mtg in Iowa

to rebuttal Grassley's claim!....I'm sure that would scare the shit out of Grassley.

[JixMa]

@hajqbvii

"The President should hold a town hall meeting in Iowa to rebuttal Grassley's claim! I'm sure that would scare the shit out of Grassley."

HEAR HEAR, hajqbvii! If not scare Grassley, at least it would be a little payback to the cocksucker and perhaps get him fired by the sheeple in the next fake election.

[grifonecoronato]

Thank you Rachel. Keep it up!

[decidedvoter08]

Oh well.....now they'll just have to deal with a nurse standing over them just before death asking for them to sign a DNR document so the hospital can let them die. THAT is a death squad. Decide before you are on your deathbed not when you are dying and are too emotional to make any decision other than pleading for help.

[Griffeki16]

good point... managing the armed forces is a complete joke...

[blackacidlizzard]

"Can You Imagine The Government Involved In End Of Life Choices?"

I don't know, ask some Iraquis.

[mejesus]

damn, if only you were interviewed by this puppet and would of said that to her!

[Organjic]

Left, right... all the same. But not all Congressmen are bad...

There still is Ron Paul.

[Butterflybreakfast]

I simply cannot figure out what all the fuss is. In SC you can draw up a will and a living will with only witnesses and a notary. You can write it on a paper towel if you feel like it. It's still legal. Do we really need a medical diagnostic code to be chargeable for information that doctors should already have explained re: ventilators, feeding tubes and DNR?

[cjh8]

Some people currently rely on the consultation of the doctor, yes.

[lovehaightorg]

c'mon you stoopid RACHEL...

whay all this left right BS?

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

Pointing out lies and hypocrisy is "Left right bs?"

[lovehaightorg]

it's always just left / right bs... yes, on every mainstream news channel, politics as usual

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

it is insulting the fallacious arguments these msnbc pundits make. somehow this propaganda still works on you people though.

[Navywxman]

royal - Your not the brightest bulb in the chandelier are you? If you want to comment on a video you should actually watch it rather than closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears and going "nah nah nah nah."

What is insulting is the right-wing fringe overtly lying and trying to scare people all to maintain the status quo which is maximizing insurance corp. profits while more americans suffer, die, go bankrupt etc. Your support for such evil turds is what is insulting to sane ppl.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

How DARE she point out 100 percent factual hypocrisy.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

how is this relevant to anything that is happening now? george bush is long gone.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

Seriously? Them saying "The government should not get between a family and their end of life decisions, a few years after directly getting between a family and it's end of life decisions is not relevant to this argument? In what world? Not to mention that the amendment didn't grant the government any power to get in between families and their end of life decisions, it just reimbursed doctors for presenting patients with their options for the PATIENTS to chose from. Knowingly lying = unforgivable

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

how does pointing out the hypocrisy that exists in the government make a stronger argument that what they are doing is the right thing to do when clearly it is wrong? the government is corrupt and hypocritical. thanks for the news flash.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

You really need to pick one talking point and stick to it. You're all over the place.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

so let me get this straight. correct me if i am wrong. the premise of the argument here is that because the republicans, who are no longer in power got involved with terri shivo case then it should be ok for the current democrat administration to pass legislation giving them more of a roll in end of life choices? are we in 1st grade here? because he did it it is ok for me to do it? its quite simple. two wrongs dont make a right.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

no, you are incorrect. there was nothing in the bill that let the government "Get involved" with end of life decisions, ALL it did was reimburse doctors for the visit. It's hypocritical of people to condemn a behavior that they themselves are guilty of.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

there was a provision for end of life choices. sounds like involvement to me. i dont see george bush anywhere condemning this. what in the world are you talking about. the end of life choices language was dropped from the bill as it should have been regardless if there is a democrat or a republican in office. the language was too vague and could easily be misinterpreted and erroneously implemented. keep listening to the telescreen tho. 2+2=5. insanity is statistical.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

There was an amendment, put in the bill by 2 republicans, that says the government will reimburse doctors if someone decides after they learn they're going to die soon, to talk to a doctor about their options. That's what all the fear and paranoia that the right is spreading is coming from, and if you'll notice, this perfectly acceptable amendment has been REMOVED because of the ignorance.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

the thing that people are upset about is end of life counseling.

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

I just explained to you the full extent of the "End of life counseling" that was on the bill. It was an amendment that said if someone found out they were dying, and chose to talk to a doctor about their options, the doctor would be reimbursed for the visit... THAT'S IT.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

so you are going to pay doctors to deliver the bad news. " sorry bill but legally i can not do this procedure to save your life. the health choices committee said it is not cost effective. you are going to have to die. bright side is that i am being reimbursed for telling you." pretty sleazy

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

Are you seriously that stupid? Listen. The amendment was not only put in the bill by 2 republicans, it was also supported by the AARP(As you can see on their recent TV ads) It had nothing to do with denying care, there is NOTHING in the bill that denies care. It provided reimbursement, for doctors, if the patient CHOOSES to discuss with him, his end of life options.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

i dont care who put it in the bill nor do i care who endorses it. no the bill dosent explicitly deny care but that is the main goal of a public option, to save money so that will work out naturally. how do you save money? well obama has said, less tests and expensive operations. your problem is that you take these unsound arguments as logically sound. look up validity on wikipedia. i highly suggest reading it because you lack critical thinking skills.

[RoyalDemonforChrist]

governments are involved in end of life choices all the time. you choose to live or die.

[tburke64]

I WANT healthcare to include payment from insurance companies to docs for the time they spend discussing end of life planning with patients. However, it is personal, spiritual, and a family issue, and should NOT be mandated by the govt or directed for available options allowed by the govt!

[DawnOfTheLiberalDead]

There was nothing mandated about that part of the bill. But you can rest easily, it's been killed now due to republicans lying, spreading fear, and the fact that the majority of our population are complete idiots.

[cjh8]

This is what bothers me about the media; people interpret the interpretation of pundits rather than interpreting the raw facts. People listen to buzz words, not nuance (speaking generally).

It's not mandated. And even if it was, how hard is it to change the word 'mandate' to 'optional' in the bill rather than spending all this strategery on getting people angry and the provision killed?

[tburke64]

Good points

[Capng123]

"Jesus" - riotous applause

Ah, conservatives... they might as well have an ACTUAL string on their backs you can pull.

Disgusting pathetic drones, every one of them.

[rpkymadisonco]

Great way to make a point--neither party can be trusted.

No one is against health care reform. But compare free market to Private or Government managed care. Free market just works best.

Even Rachael likes Ron Paul. Find out what he has to say about it. He's been a doctor a long time and has seen the changes that have come with increased intervention.

[Navywxman]

rpky - "Free market just works best."

Where in the bizzarro dimension!? The US has the closest thing to a free market system that there is and its an abysmal failure. Those countries with single payer style systems perform better in every way from costs to life expectancy and more.

This is no secret info, anyone, maybe even you can look this up. The US ranks 37th, dead last among industrial nations, and France as an example ranks 1st.

screw ron paul and crazy libertarian ideology

[rpkymadisonco]

The closest thing we have to free market health care is in Lasik surgery and pastic surgery. Neither is covered by insurance, and look at what has happened. Both have become more and more affordable with competition. Even teens are getting boob jobs now for their birthday, and corrective eye surgery is an option for many more people than it used to be.

Every other health care example in this country has gone the other direction, and medicare is a complete mess.

Insurance is the problem.

[yawakoben]

Sorry but that is a false premise. Lasik and pLastic surgery are largely optional medical procedures that are not (generally) necessities for one's health. We pay for insurance to prepare for those situations that we generally cannot forsee. Insurance is generally considered more optimal than simply saving money because you never know how much everything will cost.

[rpkymadisonco]

Right! Insurance is for unforseeable events. We shouldn't have insurance for runny noses. Just like we don't have insurance for oil changes on our cars.

Insurance covers too many things. People abuse the ability to go to a doctor when they don't need to, because they don't directly pay the expense.

Competition will bring the prices down, just as competition worked in Lasik. It doesn't matter that they are optional vs. necessity. The free market works the same way regardless.

[Navywxman]

rpky - yawa is right, that is a false premise. Plus competition isn't the primary factor that lasik costs came down.

Regardless, competition couldnt help bring costs down much if at all. The corporations do not want competition as they seek to dominate and monopolize. No corp. wants to compete. Plus even if costs could be cut in half countless treatments, sugeries & medications would still be wildly expensive and would ruin people.

Sorry, reality trumps absurd free market ideology

[rpkymadisonco]

No, reality ruins your gov't run argument. Do you really think that putting this under gov't control is going to HELP END corruption? On which planet does that work??

So, even if the gov't cuts costs in half, things will be wildly expensive and bankrupt the whole country?

You guys live in some sort of fantasy world in your head. Do you believe in Santa Claus? Everything has to be paid for. If we take it OUT of gov't hands, we avoid that portion of the costs as well.

[Navywxman]

rpky - Yet again, Sorry, reality trumps absurd free market ideology

examples of absurdity..."your gov't run argument" and "So, even if the gov't cuts costs in half, things will be wildly expensive and bankrupt the whole country?"

I didn't say either of those. This is why I can't stand you libertarian type, there is either a lack of honesty or just insane positions being made. Talk about fantasy world, you cant even get what was said being too busy distorting it with your ideology.