Nietzsche requires precise understanding of his use of language and its context in order to interpret properly. When he famously wrote, "That which does not kill me, only makes me stronger." What he really meant was "ME" not "us". If a thing Nietzsche encounters does not kill him, Nietzsche's experience of said thing gives him a better understanding of his reality, thus making him smarter and therefore, stronger. Those who refuse to learn from experience gain no benefit of strength.
If you merely told me that you saw an elephant painting a picture of an elephant, I would have laughed in your face. That is hands-down the damnedest thing I've ever seen.
There's no evidence that humans evolved from some ape-like ancestor anymore than there's evidence that apes, along with lemurs and monkeys, evolved from some dog-like ancestor. All the bones used to support human evolution have been found to be either hoaxes, non-human, or human, but not both non-human and human. They can reconstruct these bones to look like whatever they want! Some of the bones were found miles apart. Read my Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived if their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. I discuss Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA." Read Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
Marriage, or, in it's primative form, pair-bonding, is central to humanity. No ape (other ape) femail will overlap infants. Without a reliable helper she cannot look after more than one child. An orang-utang might spend 6 years raising a single child. Humans can out-breed any ape, and that's because of pair-bonding.
I'm going to have to watch this video again. I was too busy being completely in awe of the elephant painting a picture to actually hear the words being said.
@Clawdragoons Upon further examination, in most cases, the owners just teach their elephants to paint the same thing over and over again. Although they do paint abstractly on their own, they don't have objective paintings themselves.
He said in his lecture, "For those of us whose morality is neither influenced nor enforced by any threat of damnation." He was talking about how the opposite is true with religion and why there isnt chaos (even in the absence of religion) in society. But it goes back to survival. There is order because there are human made laws (not just religious laws). You would be amazed how well a person will conform when their life (or life possessions or loved ones) are at stake. So his point fails, again.
And do you really believe that that elephant "knew" what it was train to draw (or programed to draw)? Have you ever seen two chimps engage in a conversation (sign language or whatever) passing knowledge to one another (what we consider knowledge)? Do you think they "know" what they are saying in the first place? This is a prime example of how people like this guy in science aims to mislead others. Yes, the animal is painting. But no, it is not a conscious result of it "knowing" itself or the pic
@iluvtoargue These animals know as much as they are taught, just like you only know as much as you are taught. We see obvious examples throughout the animal kingdom of creatures communicating seemingly complex ideas to one another, yet when we show them to do it in a manner that we as humans can relate to people are quick to downgrade this communication as simply training.
@theinquisitor And how did you learn to write? And how are artists trained traditionally? And have you ever heard early Beethoven, and compared it with late Mozart?
Nice name you've got though. Makes me feel much... um... WARMER than the elephant vid.
@jacquesnaude7 I don't know anyone who believes 'dead matter' created the universe. I certainly don't. You must enjoy strawmen. You also believe that it took four whole days to partially construct this one tiny planet by itself, but that trillions of galaxies were sneezed into being instantaly, after that. There is no way to parody a perspective which is that insanely absurd.
regarding the elephant painting...this is the first time i've seen this. i wanna thank you so much so posting that clip..i haven't been moved like that in a long time..unfuckingbeliveable.
What's funnier is that they believe it took 4 days to create everything, but the whole concept of "days" as a unit of time could not have existed until after the fact (when the earth + sun was created).
So they entirely disprove themselves in their own words, lol.
please show me what is dead mater and what is living matter, because I only know of matter, if your referring to us then I'd say we are made entirely of non-living matter, e.i. the Carbon that mostly makes up you is the same non-living carbon that makes up your inanimate surroundings. though i guess I'm bold for saying "living" because I do not know of any dafinative meaning to the world living beside self-replicate, can you define life?
@jacquesnaude7 I wince, intellectually, every single time I deal w/the creationists like this one. Aron has my salutations and commendations for his dilligence, discipline, and even temper regarding such engagements! On my list of extrodinary gentlemen/heroes!
@jacquesnaude7 Firstly "dead" didn't mean anything until there was something to die.
Being supernatural requires your God to transcend time. This makes him immutable, which means he can't think at all.
On top of that, you're probably talking about a jealous supreme being. The the supreme being is existence itself. So your God envies nonexistence but can't do anything about it.
Very moving! When I realized what I was seeing tears were rolling down my cheeks and they did not stop until it was over! How dare any human say we are unique among 'god's creatures'! It was plain that this little elephant understood what it was doing and that each stroke was placed with care and intention! I marveled at the way it drew the hidden front leg by painting where it would start to establish the proper curve. This is no mere mimicry!
ID fans think we need God to explain morality because they're ignorant of the fact that Darwin himself did not concoct the theory of "Social Darwinism" (which paints human society as a constant war of all against all in which the least fit sink to the bottom - the working or under classes). Social Darwinism was an economic dogma, not science.
Early evolution scientists, such as Kropotkin, paid a lot of attention to the nearly universal phenomenon of mutual aid as a driving factor in evolution.
Holy crap that elephant is good! I've known about animals using paint and such to express themselves, but I have never seen anything come from it but basically the fingerpaintings of a child. This is definitely on a completely different level. No one can deny that this is art, at least in a rudimentary form (hell its way better than most cave paintings!). If music is the next to go, we seriously may run out of "things that make us distinctly human" =P
@Stimga, according to the snopes website, the elephants are trained to produce specific paintings and directed by the trainers during the process. It's not artistic in the sense of creativity. It's a complicated process learned so to speak by wrote. If the elephant is an artist, then so is a computer program that draws a preprogrammed image.
Google: snopes elephant painting, for the article.
i would REALY like a link to the elephant painting, like seriously changed my view on animals completely, i mean i have seen other animals paint, but that mother f****r paint better then me, a strange feeling of indignation and appreciation of other animals.
@mawhar , so just because an elephant cant build a space station there is a god? must an elephant build one in order for a god to exist or not exist? following that train of thought manbearpig exists because the elephant drew itself hahahahaha. that is the same type of correlationyou are making.and btw no one can see the future, people can make predictions base of verifiable facts and people can examine the past based on the evidence.
yeah if you paid closer attention you'd see how redundant your post is: I was responding to the assertion of zacqt from2 days ago. I guess sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, but "aha! there is a god!" - can you possibly take that seriously!
no problem man my reply may have been a bit harsh, especially since we're on the same side. I guess what I forgot to consider is that no matter how retarded of a parody argument I make, there's no way for someone else to tell the difference between parody and the real thing, ie: zacqt: elephants can't build skyscrapers! god exists! and me saying the same thing as a joke - since it is god damn impossible to make less sense than superstitious idiots.
@mawhar , even AronRa must be embarrassed by you pair of snivelling handbags .."war&hate", -Perhaps your respective anger issues could be solved with a little humility directed at your Creator. Seeing as you both fancy yourselves as superior in knowledge? perhaps either might like to explain "who or what" is in charge of human & animal upgrades?...was flight + radar just a fluke for cave-bats? or who's idea was it to engineer morality?...this would require the fluke of reason or discernment.
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~AronRA, @3.00~3. 30m/sec's, you look & sound like a preacher-Sanhedrin. He who designed the elephant, is the same that you contend against. Could you honestly concede that you could "never" go preaching Jesus. Should man take credit for teaching a elephant to paint? Will the elephant, begin building a space-station in a few billion years? All is vanity. There is Creator & created. Broaden your horizon-try tuning into your Chief-Manufacturer science is great but also can be a smoke screen.
Anyone who believes in truth should know better than to assert as fact that which is really only unsupported and indefensible speculation. Broaden your horizon by realizing that there evidently is no creator, and that mere magic has historically always turned out to be the wrong answer.
@zacqt Oh yes, some can use science as a smoke screen, especially to blind the ignorant (which most of us are of most things), but for pure smoke screening activity nothing beats religion
@queenastilon, i trust you understand evolution is a religion also. A part of their bible is to preach that it is not a religion, but thats just a part of their faith.(dogma).
Neither you or any of the ministers of evo religion on your channel had any concept of life on earth 100years ago, just as you have no idea were you will be in a 100years. You think chance to dust, i think design to Grace. Your faith is: it just all happened by fluke for no reason or purpose.? Thats *religious ignorance*.
@zacqt What kind of religion -- for that matter, what kind of dogma -- constantly updates itself as new evidences unfold, instead of relying upon a two-thousand-year-old dusty book of outdated fables and lies? Seems to me that's the opposite of religion and dogma.
@zacqt Evolution isn't a religion because it had to be tested. Also christians can accept evolution they ignore the rest of the old testament.
There was likely no purpose but there was a reason.
Apples fall because of gravity.
Evolution didn't happen by chance any more then anything else that complicated ever has. The laws that control the world are (within quantum limits) deterministic.
@SuperMerlin100 Onychonycteris is a good example of yet another problem for "religious evolutionist". Modern science is struggling to guess whether aerodynamic skills came before echolocation or after. Logic stands in the way of stupidity in this case. Quantum physics, or any dna structures req's ID. Complex maths is found in all living things. Even basic maths req's order=ID,=Creator.
What inspired the 1St living cell to determine upgrades? The fluke x billions of years is religious nonsense.
@zacqt No it doesn't Supernatural beings are transcendent of time (immutable) and thus can't think at all. Therefore nature's laws including quantum mechanics couldn't have been put in place by an intelligent being, so they clearly don't require one.
"What inspired the 1St living cell to determine upgrades? The fluke x billions of years is religious nonsense."
Evolution works other generations and is driven by natural selection. This 2 sentences show you don't have a dictionary definition
@SuperMerlin100 If nature has "Laws"(& it does, see Genesis1v11), any valid Law must be subject to relative order-ID.
To attribute or credit "natural selection" to evo is simply being economical with the facts. No-one has ever seen or heard of 1 animal turning into another.
The rate of evo=1St cell~current complex living creations:, the major floor in the evo fantasy(religion) is that the "real available time frame" requires significant observable change & yet none exist.(moon recession?).
@zacqt Evidentally no since no intelligent being could put these laws in place. I already explained this.
Look up the definition of evolution. As I already explained evolution works over generations. An animal changing into another would invalidate it. If you are instead talking about macroevolution that's old news. We've seen it already.
"moon recession" Already debucked. Wait do you mean you don't believe the moon is moving away?
@zacqt declaring that all you or I percieve as complex was produced by design and not pattern is pretty presumptuous. Iterated enough times, a pattern produced by a complex function would be indistinguishable from a design. If that's your basis for dismissing evolution theory then it's a feeble one
@eraseragenda Trouble is, a "pattern" is a blue print-a 2D~3D expression of relevant values. Digital proportional values are the base of math-which can only be realized by/with ID. The "Once upon a time there was a *large bang* & here we all are" fairytale, even the *BB* would require governed values to procure pressure in the 1St place.
God might not use metric or imperial, but He does math's exceedingly well, all of creation/nature has xyz values-He who designed U has your pattern#.
@zacqt I'm not here to speculate how the universe began; I'm here to talk evolution and ID. You said complex organisms require design because they seem complex and my response was that the mere appearance of complexity does not invalidate the possibility that life (or anything) was produced by a dynamic pattern. For the record, the human invention of math is not a requirement for the existance of a system
It's been nice discussing this with you, it is definitely the most polite discussion I have ever had on You Tube. I do think however that we are going to have to agree to disagree about him.
I understood you, and have given my reason as to why I don't think it is true intentional communication. I would suppose that you have also heard the recording of him. A large part of it is gibberish or repetitions of the same phrases, often prompted by Aimée. The gibberish quickly vanishes as soon as you read the transcript, which is a classic example of how subjective validation works; simply put you see what you want to see or in this case hear.
Imagine waking up in the morning slightly lifting up your bedsheets with that huge Scorpion and ALL of its cling-on baby scorpions all together underneath the covers with you; when SUDDENLY, they all started to creep off mama-crab with them crawling all onto you! XS
Ok, I've never heard of it, so I have spent the best part of an hour reading up on him. As I don't believe in anything supernatural I discarded the telepathy test, it was less then conclusive any way. If telepathic Parrots exist, one would expect a success rate the region of 90-100%.
As interesting as I find the parrot, I am inclined to think that the handlers findings are prone to subjective validation. Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree.
@peyo001 I agree with your conclusion. Most telepathic explanations are actually the result of tipping or an involuntary flagging sent to the person or animal that tells them how to respond in one way or another.
C'mon don't get distracted, listen to what AronRa is saying. Yes the elephant is painting something he was trained to do but the point is not all animals kill eachother just for the heck of it as creationist want us to believe. And no, do not compare a parot that "speaks" words with elephants.
@saaweeet Arggggg! Creativity is something new to the person coming up with it, no other point of view matters, you think something is only creative if it is unique in the whole universe? What a douche bag!
Guess what? According to information theory the universe eventually repeats itself indefinitely so nothing is creative to you! Like I said, what a douche bag!
It also follows you don't really understand what blue prints really works.
I was absolutely stunned by the elephant. It paints better than some people, me included. I never would have believed that if I had not seen it happen.
@saaweeet No but you speak of "human creativity" as if there wasn't a universaly apliable criteria for creativity, that is, comimg up with something yourself.
And you are wrong, with "the vast majority of people follow a fucking blue print" even if they lack skill to represent it, most people can come up with at least a crude representation of a theme that is, ultimately, original, even if it is based on known concept.
Really, try my thought experiment in the real world.
THE FUCKING ELEPHANT DREW AN ELEPHANT OMFFFFFFFGGG Real things are SOOO beautifully amazing just look up at the stars OR down at a fossil OR forward at A GOD DAMN ELEPHANT PAINTING AN ELEPHANT (its a fucking elephant OMG COME ON) why must some of us waste our time with fiction and not even COOL fiction like Star Wars... my religion... JEDI
Odd that you make that particular assertion, about the elephant not knowing that it's painting. There were articles in Discover Magazine discussing how birds can communicate their personal preferences once they have been taught to do so, and there's the chimpanzees who speak in sign. Cognizance is not limited to the human species.
research the african grey congo's intelligence and it will show that these birds have the capacity for cognitive speech comparible to that of a 5 year old human.
I know of a few parrots who definitely do know what they're saying. And if it is not possible to teach a human child to paint like that, then it certainly wouldn't be possible to teach an elephant to start a line from precisely that point with all these exact angles and contours -unless it had some idea what it was painting.
Elephants commonly exceed our expectations of their intelligence. They are the smartest animals besides humans and some dolphins.
I don't think it s possible to say if it knows what it is painting. It definitely knows what it "supposed" to paint. They receive baby banana tress, which they really seem to like, after they paint a few of these pictures.
My point being this; why would an elephant paint another elephant with a flower in is trunk, this is a human image of "cuteness" if you like. Why wouldn't an elephant paint a baby banana tree, or a waterhole or the jungle or something that relates to an elephant?
Even some birds raealize it's themself they see in the mirror. That is something 18 months old children don't understand.
Some birds use tools to reach food and are able to "lie"; to know that somebody doesn't know something they, like: Another bird saw where it hid its food. When the other one is gone, he will dig it out and hide it somewhere else, so the other one won't get it when it's away.
These are actions that require a higher intelligence we'd expect it from birds.
Its so sad that even her on Aronras video people are just as stupid as the religious nuts. They see an elephant painting a picture of an elephant and it blows their mind because they suppose it knows what its doing and its intentional. It blew my mind when I saw it, but then I realized its just a trick for the turists. Its a bit sad, but its true. And how do majority of people react to this? They boo the messenger and hold on to their fantasies. They do exactly the same ad the religious.
I didnt say its a fake. Its real, but the elephant is taught to paint those pictures. Apparently I cant put a link here but google: "Elephant Painting Portrait Video"
I was amazed by the picture. It is amazing to see the dexterity that an elephant has.
Off course it is a 'trained trick'. But it is still amazing that they can have such fine motor skills. Moving logs, picking fruit and leaves with a trunk is very different to the precision involved to paint a picture and go over the lines so precisely.
@saaweeet there is not such thing as "creativity according to humans". You must be one of those who think there are no objective truths.
Creativity is just coming up with something yourself, human or elephant.
I can tell 10 humans to draw a happy scene and get 10 different (if crappy) drawings. Even if two of them depict kids playing on the beach they still would be different drawings.
If this elephant is doing anything beyond carbon copping a base drawing, that's creativity.
@saaweeet Is not that there is not merit in performance, if this is just a performance that is still very good for an (non-human) animal.
But if this is creativity, it becomes nor just impressive but *important*.
It's game changing, it potentially changes the view from "elephant hunters should be jailed" to "elephant hunters should be executed" that is, for people who support the death penalty of course.
Don't feel bad, the trunk of an elephant is a much more precisely tuned instrument than a human arm. It's as big a difference as a lay person getting to paint with a full set of brushes while a professional artist is restricted to using a garden trowel.
At 2:50 it sounds like he says "I will concede that [he] is wrong...", although I'm sure he mean "...that I am wrong". Maybe make an annotation clarifying.
Actually, that elephant has been known to pretty much make the same image over and over. This means that it was probably a learned pattern rather than any actual creativity or self-awareness on the elephant's part.
Many human artists paint landscapes over and over or fruit or others. Why are we so afraid of admitting that other beings on our planet can have self-awareness? There are many humans who have less skill and awareness than this elephant may have. I don't know that it's a hoax, but I am not willing to assume that based on human chauvinism.
I'm not saying that the elephant doesn't have self-awareness. I'm saying that it probably isn't aware that what it's drawing is an elephant. Artists very rarely draw fruit or landscapes over and over with the same brush strokes every time. If this elephant knew it was drawing elephants then it would probably draw it in different positions or with an elephant friend. The flower itself also is also a very human symbol which I doubt an elephant would pick to draw on it's own.
@deepraine, again, I'm not sure if it's a hoax or not, but it's something I'd travel to confirm. I did some quick looking, and the art is not all the same, although flowers seem to figure prominently. Why should an elephant not draw a flower? THey eat them. ALso, when I draw people, I always draw them the same--stick figures. This is a defect of talent, not imagination.
Looking at the hoax site, I see exactly what you said: "Just for clarification, with these realistic figural works, the elephant is still the only one making the marks on the paper but the paintings are learned series of brushstrokes not Hong painting a still life on her own." Still, I'd like to see if this or other animals have the ability to be creative. Gorillas surprised us by creating new words with sign language.
I think it's more a learned behavior then self awareness, but I could be wrong...either way, the artistry, attention to detail and sheer concentration is breathtaking
Ah yes, the painting elephant. Is it a sign of abstract thinking, or a case of demonstrating the dexterity of an elephant by means of training ?
Did the elephant learn to paint only one image or can the elephant also spontaneously, without practice, paint a random object the elephant just saw ?
The artist elephant! Makes me wonder, if elephants got artists, do they have religions or do they have scientists?
If so, could there be some correlation between the abstraction of artistry and the abstraction of religion? Is there some correlation between the abstraction of science and art? Between all three?
If not, do we know of any ritualistic animal and what are the other similarities between them and us?
Some christians say we have no souls and others say that we have souls that will burn forever in a lake of fire. Can´t you guys just pick a story and stick to it? Thank you.
Nietzsche requires precise understanding of his use of language and its context in order to interpret properly. When he famously wrote, "That which does not kill me, only makes me stronger." What he really meant was "ME" not "us". If a thing Nietzsche encounters does not kill him, Nietzsche's experience of said thing gives him a better understanding of his reality, thus making him smarter and therefore, stronger. Those who refuse to learn from experience gain no benefit of strength.
bitterlilraccoon 2 weeks ago
@bitterlilraccoon well said, couldn't of put it better myself
RobIsFullOfShit 2 weeks ago
Holy crap, that elephant is incredible!
TuahShinguru 2 weeks ago
There's a quaint charm to seeing an elephant painting :-)
ProDegiaque 3 weeks ago
shit an elephant can draw a better picture then me.............DAMN IT! i seriously suck........ :(
prind666 1 month ago
Did the elephant just paint a picture of an elephant? o_O This is insanely amazing! And he does it better than most adult humans!
MsHyde1 1 month ago
If you merely told me that you saw an elephant painting a picture of an elephant, I would have laughed in your face. That is hands-down the damnedest thing I've ever seen.
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The elephant painting a picture of itself holding a flower: that just blows my mind.
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There's no evidence that humans evolved from some ape-like ancestor anymore than there's evidence that apes, along with lemurs and monkeys, evolved from some dog-like ancestor. All the bones used to support human evolution have been found to be either hoaxes, non-human, or human, but not both non-human and human. They can reconstruct these bones to look like whatever they want! Some of the bones were found miles apart. Read my Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible in nature (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). Species couldn't have survived if their vital tissues, organs, biological systems were still evolving. I discuss Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA." Read Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic/biological similarities between species.
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@Mogley52 you haven't really watched his videos haven't you?
prind666 1 month ago
>.<
Those elephants can paint better than I.
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mandakiniization 1 year ago
Mate, that elephant painting is amazing.... Not just 'cus it's painting, but it's actually really good at it.
I'm afraid I missed the entire content though, I'll rewind & watch again.
Thanks :)
squidfanny 1 year ago
Marriage, or, in it's primative form, pair-bonding, is central to humanity. No ape (other ape) femail will overlap infants. Without a reliable helper she cannot look after more than one child. An orang-utang might spend 6 years raising a single child. Humans can out-breed any ape, and that's because of pair-bonding.
gamesbok 1 year ago
@gamesbok We also like sex, a lot, regardless of marriage, so take that into account too lol.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y When you say you like sex, do you mean sex with another person, or the regular sort of sex?
gamesbok 1 year ago
@gamesbok The freak nasty lol
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
I watched 3 minutes of this part; all 10 minutes of part 1; and never heard anything about morality.
bigbaddeerhunter 1 year ago
@bigbaddeerhunter Then keep watching. Surely your attention span is greater than 13 minutes.
slashingraven 1 year ago
@bigbaddeerhunter Geez, ever noticed there's part 3,4, and 5? Try clicking on those.
SQuiRR3LM0nk3y 1 year ago
@SQuiRR3LM0nk3y he cant retain my attention
bigbaddeerhunter 1 year ago
I'm going to have to watch this video again. I was too busy being completely in awe of the elephant painting a picture to actually hear the words being said.
Clawdragoons 1 year ago
@Clawdragoons Upon further examination, in most cases, the owners just teach their elephants to paint the same thing over and over again. Although they do paint abstractly on their own, they don't have objective paintings themselves.
What a shame.
Clawdragoons 1 year ago
I really wish the audio was better, I find myself straining to hear what your saying on top of the echo of the mic. Any chance of captions at all?
AcePro 1 year ago
@AcePro Can't believe I just typed "your". Ugh. I meant you're of course.
AcePro 1 year ago
WOW! My mind is blown! An elephant painting like that, I got teary-eyed for some reason :S
Most beautiful thing I have seen in a long time.
banana1337kivi 1 year ago
Jesus Christ that elephant can paint better than me! :-P
norcofreerider604 1 year ago 3
He said in his lecture, "For those of us whose morality is neither influenced nor enforced by any threat of damnation." He was talking about how the opposite is true with religion and why there isnt chaos (even in the absence of religion) in society. But it goes back to survival. There is order because there are human made laws (not just religious laws). You would be amazed how well a person will conform when their life (or life possessions or loved ones) are at stake. So his point fails, again.
iluvtoargue 1 year ago
And do you really believe that that elephant "knew" what it was train to draw (or programed to draw)? Have you ever seen two chimps engage in a conversation (sign language or whatever) passing knowledge to one another (what we consider knowledge)? Do you think they "know" what they are saying in the first place? This is a prime example of how people like this guy in science aims to mislead others. Yes, the animal is painting. But no, it is not a conscious result of it "knowing" itself or the pic
iluvtoargue 1 year ago
@iluvtoargue These animals know as much as they are taught, just like you only know as much as you are taught. We see obvious examples throughout the animal kingdom of creatures communicating seemingly complex ideas to one another, yet when we show them to do it in a manner that we as humans can relate to people are quick to downgrade this communication as simply training.
HooahW2475 1 year ago
@theinquisitor And how did you learn to write? And how are artists trained traditionally? And have you ever heard early Beethoven, and compared it with late Mozart?
Nice name you've got though. Makes me feel much... um... WARMER than the elephant vid.
KnowKnot 1 year ago
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hehe... you say creationists believe in magic yet you believe dead matter created the universe... I'll stick with a God, thanks anyways...
jacquesnaude7 1 year ago
@jacquesnaude7 I don't know anyone who believes 'dead matter' created the universe. I certainly don't. You must enjoy strawmen. You also believe that it took four whole days to partially construct this one tiny planet by itself, but that trillions of galaxies were sneezed into being instantaly, after that. There is no way to parody a perspective which is that insanely absurd.
AronRa 1 year ago 49
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regarding the elephant painting...this is the first time i've seen this. i wanna thank you so much so posting that clip..i haven't been moved like that in a long time..unfuckingbeliveable.
itzahazylife 1 year ago
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What's funnier is that they believe it took 4 days to create everything, but the whole concept of "days" as a unit of time could not have existed until after the fact (when the earth + sun was created).
So they entirely disprove themselves in their own words, lol.
OrthodoxDarwinist 1 month ago
@jacquesnaude7
please show me what is dead mater and what is living matter, because I only know of matter, if your referring to us then I'd say we are made entirely of non-living matter, e.i. the Carbon that mostly makes up you is the same non-living carbon that makes up your inanimate surroundings. though i guess I'm bold for saying "living" because I do not know of any dafinative meaning to the world living beside self-replicate, can you define life?
whydid666 1 year ago 4
@jacquesnaude7 I wince, intellectually, every single time I deal w/the creationists like this one. Aron has my salutations and commendations for his dilligence, discipline, and even temper regarding such engagements! On my list of extrodinary gentlemen/heroes!
KCKatheist 1 year ago
@jacquesnaude7 Firstly "dead" didn't mean anything until there was something to die.
Being supernatural requires your God to transcend time. This makes him immutable, which means he can't think at all.
On top of that, you're probably talking about a jealous supreme being. The the supreme being is existence itself. So your God envies nonexistence but can't do anything about it.
This explains his sadistic/genecidal behavior.
SuperMerlin100 1 year ago
@jacquesnaude7 Dead matter? What's that? Created what? You're out of your mind.
Blodslav 2 months ago
@jacquesnaude7
I was I was as silly as you, "magic man did it" would make life a lot easier, lol. No thinking required.
OrthodoxDarwinist 1 month ago
Very moving! When I realized what I was seeing tears were rolling down my cheeks and they did not stop until it was over! How dare any human say we are unique among 'god's creatures'! It was plain that this little elephant understood what it was doing and that each stroke was placed with care and intention! I marveled at the way it drew the hidden front leg by painting where it would start to establish the proper curve. This is no mere mimicry!
Flabbergasted!
I would pay anything to have that!
SecularResponse 1 year ago
unless a elephant can paint the mona lisa, then god doesnt exist. lol
bloodghost327metal 1 year ago
@PullMyFinger123456
The same way you train an ID to repeat the same thing over and over.
You start from when they are small and you repeat it over and over again.
saintpine 1 year ago
@PullMyFinger123456
Through Conditioning of course! Classical or otherwise humans have been able to make Squirrles water ski, dogs dance, ect. ect. ect.
However I don't know the case with these elephants. . . it would be neat to look up how they trained and or this painting came about.
Xirbtt 1 year ago
This is going straight into my favourites because of the elephant painting.
Wait no, quick, chase them quick. Take their "ivory". Get the machete, drive drive.
EclecticSceptic 1 year ago
ID fans think we need God to explain morality because they're ignorant of the fact that Darwin himself did not concoct the theory of "Social Darwinism" (which paints human society as a constant war of all against all in which the least fit sink to the bottom - the working or under classes). Social Darwinism was an economic dogma, not science.
Early evolution scientists, such as Kropotkin, paid a lot of attention to the nearly universal phenomenon of mutual aid as a driving factor in evolution.
EyeLean5280 2 years ago
I would pay a lot of money for that painting and display it with a video of it being painted.
Phoboskomboa 2 years ago
My mouth was open the whole time that elephant was painting.
RPR1983 2 years ago
Holy crap that elephant is good! I've known about animals using paint and such to express themselves, but I have never seen anything come from it but basically the fingerpaintings of a child. This is definitely on a completely different level. No one can deny that this is art, at least in a rudimentary form (hell its way better than most cave paintings!). If music is the next to go, we seriously may run out of "things that make us distinctly human" =P
-Stigma
TheStigma 2 years ago
@Stimga, according to the snopes website, the elephants are trained to produce specific paintings and directed by the trainers during the process. It's not artistic in the sense of creativity. It's a complicated process learned so to speak by wrote. If the elephant is an artist, then so is a computer program that draws a preprogrammed image.
Google: snopes elephant painting, for the article.
theinquisitor 2 years ago
Sorry to burst that final bubble, but Bonobo Apes can drum in time with musicians, seem to very much enjoy it and even improvise rhythms.
Nature is seriously fantastic.
mrgodbehere 2 years ago
@mrgodbehere Id like to see Bonobos drumming along with humans. Do you know about the chimp Washoe?
xander55577 1 year ago
i would REALY like a link to the elephant painting, like seriously changed my view on animals completely, i mean i have seen other animals paint, but that mother f****r paint better then me, a strange feeling of indignation and appreciation of other animals.
agonaxe 2 years ago
@agonaxe
/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk
JaMoond 2 years ago
@mawhar , so just because an elephant cant build a space station there is a god? must an elephant build one in order for a god to exist or not exist? following that train of thought manbearpig exists because the elephant drew itself hahahahaha. that is the same type of correlationyou are making.and btw no one can see the future, people can make predictions base of verifiable facts and people can examine the past based on the evidence.
TheHateuguys 2 years ago
yeah if you paid closer attention you'd see how redundant your post is: I was responding to the assertion of zacqt from2 days ago. I guess sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, but "aha! there is a god!" - can you possibly take that seriously!
mawhar 2 years ago
i am sorry for typing before reading. i redirect my comment @zacqt
TheHateuguys 2 years ago
no problem man my reply may have been a bit harsh, especially since we're on the same side. I guess what I forgot to consider is that no matter how retarded of a parody argument I make, there's no way for someone else to tell the difference between parody and the real thing, ie: zacqt: elephants can't build skyscrapers! god exists! and me saying the same thing as a joke - since it is god damn impossible to make less sense than superstitious idiots.
mawhar 2 years ago
@mawhar , even AronRa must be embarrassed by you pair of snivelling handbags .."war&hate", -Perhaps your respective anger issues could be solved with a little humility directed at your Creator. Seeing as you both fancy yourselves as superior in knowledge? perhaps either might like to explain "who or what" is in charge of human & animal upgrades?...was flight + radar just a fluke for cave-bats? or who's idea was it to engineer morality?...this would require the fluke of reason or discernment.
zacqt 2 years ago
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~AronRA, @3.00~3. 30m/sec's, you look & sound like a preacher-Sanhedrin. He who designed the elephant, is the same that you contend against. Could you honestly concede that you could "never" go preaching Jesus. Should man take credit for teaching a elephant to paint? Will the elephant, begin building a space-station in a few billion years? All is vanity. There is Creator & created. Broaden your horizon-try tuning into your Chief-Manufacturer science is great but also can be a smoke screen.
zacqt 2 years ago
Anyone who believes in truth should know better than to assert as fact that which is really only unsupported and indefensible speculation. Broaden your horizon by realizing that there evidently is no creator, and that mere magic has historically always turned out to be the wrong answer.
AronRa 2 years ago 35
will an elephant build a space station in a few billion years? aha! there is a god!
how do you know what will happen in a few billion years! and how do you know that a god exists.
mawhar 2 years ago
@zacqt Oh yes, some can use science as a smoke screen, especially to blind the ignorant (which most of us are of most things), but for pure smoke screening activity nothing beats religion
queenastilon 1 year ago
@queenastilon, i trust you understand evolution is a religion also. A part of their bible is to preach that it is not a religion, but thats just a part of their faith.(dogma).
Neither you or any of the ministers of evo religion on your channel had any concept of life on earth 100years ago, just as you have no idea were you will be in a 100years. You think chance to dust, i think design to Grace. Your faith is: it just all happened by fluke for no reason or purpose.? Thats *religious ignorance*.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt What kind of religion -- for that matter, what kind of dogma -- constantly updates itself as new evidences unfold, instead of relying upon a two-thousand-year-old dusty book of outdated fables and lies? Seems to me that's the opposite of religion and dogma.
Makyui 1 year ago 3
@zacqt Evolution isn't a religion because it had to be tested. Also christians can accept evolution they ignore the rest of the old testament.
There was likely no purpose but there was a reason.
Apples fall because of gravity.
Evolution didn't happen by chance any more then anything else that complicated ever has. The laws that control the world are (within quantum limits) deterministic.
SuperMerlin100 1 year ago
@SuperMerlin100 Onychonycteris is a good example of yet another problem for "religious evolutionist". Modern science is struggling to guess whether aerodynamic skills came before echolocation or after. Logic stands in the way of stupidity in this case. Quantum physics, or any dna structures req's ID. Complex maths is found in all living things. Even basic maths req's order=ID,=Creator.
What inspired the 1St living cell to determine upgrades? The fluke x billions of years is religious nonsense.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt No it doesn't Supernatural beings are transcendent of time (immutable) and thus can't think at all. Therefore nature's laws including quantum mechanics couldn't have been put in place by an intelligent being, so they clearly don't require one.
"What inspired the 1St living cell to determine upgrades? The fluke x billions of years is religious nonsense."
Evolution works other generations and is driven by natural selection. This 2 sentences show you don't have a dictionary definition
SuperMerlin100 1 year ago
@SuperMerlin100 If nature has "Laws"(& it does, see Genesis1v11), any valid Law must be subject to relative order-ID.
To attribute or credit "natural selection" to evo is simply being economical with the facts. No-one has ever seen or heard of 1 animal turning into another.
The rate of evo=1St cell~current complex living creations:, the major floor in the evo fantasy(religion) is that the "real available time frame" requires significant observable change & yet none exist.(moon recession?).
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Evidentally no since no intelligent being could put these laws in place. I already explained this.
Look up the definition of evolution. As I already explained evolution works over generations. An animal changing into another would invalidate it. If you are instead talking about macroevolution that's old news. We've seen it already.
"moon recession" Already debucked. Wait do you mean you don't believe the moon is moving away?
SuperMerlin100 1 year ago
@zacqt declaring that all you or I percieve as complex was produced by design and not pattern is pretty presumptuous. Iterated enough times, a pattern produced by a complex function would be indistinguishable from a design. If that's your basis for dismissing evolution theory then it's a feeble one
eraseragenda 1 year ago
@eraseragenda Trouble is, a "pattern" is a blue print-a 2D~3D expression of relevant values. Digital proportional values are the base of math-which can only be realized by/with ID. The "Once upon a time there was a *large bang* & here we all are" fairytale, even the *BB* would require governed values to procure pressure in the 1St place.
God might not use metric or imperial, but He does math's exceedingly well, all of creation/nature has xyz values-He who designed U has your pattern#.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt I'm not here to speculate how the universe began; I'm here to talk evolution and ID. You said complex organisms require design because they seem complex and my response was that the mere appearance of complexity does not invalidate the possibility that life (or anything) was produced by a dynamic pattern. For the record, the human invention of math is not a requirement for the existance of a system
eraseragenda 1 year ago
That elephant is fucking amazing.
poorkinghaggard 2 years ago
good video man, the elephant parts was soo cool and surprising
WheelLock 2 years ago
That elephant is a way better artist than I am.
Raptors09999 2 years ago
@Raptors09999 Its a lot better than me too :P
axxeman666 2 years ago
It's been nice discussing this with you, it is definitely the most polite discussion I have ever had on You Tube. I do think however that we are going to have to agree to disagree about him.
cheers
peyo001 2 years ago
I understood you, and have given my reason as to why I don't think it is true intentional communication. I would suppose that you have also heard the recording of him. A large part of it is gibberish or repetitions of the same phrases, often prompted by Aimée. The gibberish quickly vanishes as soon as you read the transcript, which is a classic example of how subjective validation works; simply put you see what you want to see or in this case hear.
peyo001 2 years ago
Imagine waking up in the morning slightly lifting up your bedsheets with that huge Scorpion and ALL of its cling-on baby scorpions all together underneath the covers with you; when SUDDENLY, they all started to creep off mama-crab with them crawling all onto you! XS
TAz69x 2 years ago 2
Kind of misrepresenting Nietzsche there.
GeorgeDuroy75 2 years ago 2
I sent that video of the elephant painting to him.LOL
20lbsledge 2 years ago
Ok, I've never heard of it, so I have spent the best part of an hour reading up on him. As I don't believe in anything supernatural I discarded the telepathy test, it was less then conclusive any way. If telepathic Parrots exist, one would expect a success rate the region of 90-100%.
As interesting as I find the parrot, I am inclined to think that the handlers findings are prone to subjective validation. Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree.
peyo001 2 years ago
@peyo001 I agree with your conclusion. Most telepathic explanations are actually the result of tipping or an involuntary flagging sent to the person or animal that tells them how to respond in one way or another.
voce1489 2 years ago
aronra when are you gonna go on a national u.s tour? i'd pay to see that speech
BluesRockRo 2 years ago 5
C'mon don't get distracted, listen to what AronRa is saying. Yes the elephant is painting something he was trained to do but the point is not all animals kill eachother just for the heck of it as creationist want us to believe. And no, do not compare a parot that "speaks" words with elephants.
davcar23 2 years ago 2
I just watched these series out of order. It was enjoyable. Thanks.
pumkinpi2 2 years ago
@AronRa
i really love that quote you created in your speech.
"its better to be proven wrong, than to forever be wrong and never know it" :)
commerceskate 2 years ago
ahh already grinning ear to ear. This is just going to get better
Guardian0487 2 years ago
@saaweeet Arggggg! Creativity is something new to the person coming up with it, no other point of view matters, you think something is only creative if it is unique in the whole universe? What a douche bag!
Guess what? According to information theory the universe eventually repeats itself indefinitely so nothing is creative to you! Like I said, what a douche bag!
It also follows you don't really understand what blue prints really works.
rgzdev 2 years ago
the elephant is f****** awesome
toddlerindiaper 2 years ago
I was absolutely stunned by the elephant. It paints better than some people, me included. I never would have believed that if I had not seen it happen.
sonnygll 2 years ago 3
I can't draw that well.
madhillick 2 years ago
@saaweeet No but you speak of "human creativity" as if there wasn't a universaly apliable criteria for creativity, that is, comimg up with something yourself.
And you are wrong, with "the vast majority of people follow a fucking blue print" even if they lack skill to represent it, most people can come up with at least a crude representation of a theme that is, ultimately, original, even if it is based on known concept.
Really, try my thought experiment in the real world.
rgzdev 2 years ago
that elephant paints better than me Q_Q
WilltheGamer 2 years ago
i hate elephants now they're filthy liars
loyesj 2 years ago
THE FUCKING ELEPHANT DREW AN ELEPHANT OMFFFFFFFGGG Real things are SOOO beautifully amazing just look up at the stars OR down at a fossil OR forward at A GOD DAMN ELEPHANT PAINTING AN ELEPHANT (its a fucking elephant OMG COME ON) why must some of us waste our time with fiction and not even COOL fiction like Star Wars... my religion... JEDI
loyesj 2 years ago
Elephant is from Thailand. They are trained to paint those pics. They don't really know what they are painting.
peyo001 2 years ago
Odd that you make that particular assertion, about the elephant not knowing that it's painting. There were articles in Discover Magazine discussing how birds can communicate their personal preferences once they have been taught to do so, and there's the chimpanzees who speak in sign. Cognizance is not limited to the human species.
LeksServices 2 years ago 3
Nothing odd about the truth to rationalist. Maybe to hippie like you.
Darvinisti 2 years ago
I've seen them mate, they pump out a few different pictures.
Why would an elephant paint something so obviously human if it hadn't learnt it from a human.
Parrots learn to say human words, would you say that they know what they are saying.?
peyo001 2 years ago
research the african grey congo's intelligence and it will show that these birds have the capacity for cognitive speech comparible to that of a 5 year old human.
justinatorator 2 years ago
I know of a few parrots who definitely do know what they're saying. And if it is not possible to teach a human child to paint like that, then it certainly wouldn't be possible to teach an elephant to start a line from precisely that point with all these exact angles and contours -unless it had some idea what it was painting.
Elephants commonly exceed our expectations of their intelligence. They are the smartest animals besides humans and some dolphins.
AronRa 2 years ago 8
I don't think it s possible to say if it knows what it is painting. It definitely knows what it "supposed" to paint. They receive baby banana tress, which they really seem to like, after they paint a few of these pictures.
My point being this; why would an elephant paint another elephant with a flower in is trunk, this is a human image of "cuteness" if you like. Why wouldn't an elephant paint a baby banana tree, or a waterhole or the jungle or something that relates to an elephant?
peyo001 2 years ago
Even some birds raealize it's themself they see in the mirror. That is something 18 months old children don't understand.
Some birds use tools to reach food and are able to "lie"; to know that somebody doesn't know something they, like: Another bird saw where it hid its food. When the other one is gone, he will dig it out and hide it somewhere else, so the other one won't get it when it's away.
These are actions that require a higher intelligence we'd expect it from birds.
herzglass 2 years ago
Including chimpanzees?
PachucoDesigns 2 years ago
@peyo001..... :(
loyesj 2 years ago
Its so sad that even her on Aronras video people are just as stupid as the religious nuts. They see an elephant painting a picture of an elephant and it blows their mind because they suppose it knows what its doing and its intentional. It blew my mind when I saw it, but then I realized its just a trick for the turists. Its a bit sad, but its true. And how do majority of people react to this? They boo the messenger and hold on to their fantasies. They do exactly the same ad the religious.
Darvinisti 2 years ago
Hi, how did you figure out that its fake? It seems pretty realistic.
offelius 2 years ago
I didnt say its a fake. Its real, but the elephant is taught to paint those pictures. Apparently I cant put a link here but google: "Elephant Painting Portrait Video"
Darvinisti 2 years ago
Sry to bother you, I should have google it first :-)
offelius 2 years ago
I was amazed by the picture. It is amazing to see the dexterity that an elephant has.
Off course it is a 'trained trick'. But it is still amazing that they can have such fine motor skills. Moving logs, picking fruit and leaves with a trunk is very different to the precision involved to paint a picture and go over the lines so precisely.
O2BSoLucky 2 years ago 2
@saaweeet there is not such thing as "creativity according to humans". You must be one of those who think there are no objective truths.
Creativity is just coming up with something yourself, human or elephant.
I can tell 10 humans to draw a happy scene and get 10 different (if crappy) drawings. Even if two of them depict kids playing on the beach they still would be different drawings.
If this elephant is doing anything beyond carbon copping a base drawing, that's creativity.
rgzdev 2 years ago
the elephant video is probably one of the most amazing that I've ever seen
five stars
TheJamesPope 2 years ago
wow that elephant paints better than me
hobbitsarecool 2 years ago
@hobbitsarecool
Same here - and I'm not sure whether that should be inspiring or depressing...I mean I know they're dexterous with their trunks, but I have thumbs.
sirnlawson 2 years ago
I guess it is inspiring. but remember, there are things that we can do much better than that elephant.
hobbitsarecool 2 years ago
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Neither do you.
MomoTheBellyDancer 2 years ago
wow that elephant is drawing better than me!!!!!!!!!!! wooooooooow!!!!!!!!!!!
sgthunter09 2 years ago
well said
arayia6girmay 2 years ago
@saaweeet Is not that there is not merit in performance, if this is just a performance that is still very good for an (non-human) animal.
But if this is creativity, it becomes nor just impressive but *important*.
It's game changing, it potentially changes the view from "elephant hunters should be jailed" to "elephant hunters should be executed" that is, for people who support the death penalty of course.
rgzdev 2 years ago
Wow, an elephant draws better than me.
chives123456 2 years ago 2
Holy crap... it's not just painting, it's painting with depth and perspective.
Is that real?
I trust Aron... but wtf?
Douglas1102 2 years ago
That shocked the hell outta me too.
At first I thought it was a persons hand in a sleeve, then I was like...???? Holy shit!
OnTheFritz602 2 years ago
Dude, that elephant drew an elephat. Are you kidding me? :O
It's awesome!
LtShock 2 years ago 11
That's what I'm saying!
MtlRedAtheist 2 years ago
Seriously! That is freaking unbelievable!
brainfoodlunch 2 years ago
I can't even draw that well. I can't believe it.
brainfoodlunch 2 years ago 2
Don't feel bad, the trunk of an elephant is a much more precisely tuned instrument than a human arm. It's as big a difference as a lay person getting to paint with a full set of brushes while a professional artist is restricted to using a garden trowel.
LordOmberus 2 years ago
Oh wait, are you trying to help my mind feel less blown?
Although I must say, getting the spacing just right for my tomatoes takes a certain finesse I just don't think that elephant could have :/
brainfoodlunch 2 years ago
That elephant is a better artist than me! Hot damn!
VitaminTMan 2 years ago 2
good stuff!
Zentz29 2 years ago
Holy Shit!!! Where did you get that video of the elephant painting?!???!
SaturnaliaSidhe 2 years ago
At 2:50 it sounds like he says "I will concede that [he] is wrong...", although I'm sure he mean "...that I am wrong". Maybe make an annotation clarifying.
KCatch22 2 years ago
Actually, that elephant has been known to pretty much make the same image over and over. This means that it was probably a learned pattern rather than any actual creativity or self-awareness on the elephant's part.
It's still pretty impressive though.
deepraine 2 years ago
Yeah, I'd be impressed if the elephant drew a picture of it stomping the zoo keeper and busting out.
ExtantFrodo 2 years ago 4
lol. Yeah, or him bathing in a large tub of peanuts.
Ripley747 2 years ago
I thought as much. It probably isn't even aware of the fact that what it's drawing is an elephant. For it, this is probably just a bunch of lines.
Mithcoriel 2 years ago
Many human artists paint landscapes over and over or fruit or others. Why are we so afraid of admitting that other beings on our planet can have self-awareness? There are many humans who have less skill and awareness than this elephant may have. I don't know that it's a hoax, but I am not willing to assume that based on human chauvinism.
laraesque 2 years ago
I'm not saying that the elephant doesn't have self-awareness. I'm saying that it probably isn't aware that what it's drawing is an elephant. Artists very rarely draw fruit or landscapes over and over with the same brush strokes every time. If this elephant knew it was drawing elephants then it would probably draw it in different positions or with an elephant friend. The flower itself also is also a very human symbol which I doubt an elephant would pick to draw on it's own.
deepraine 2 years ago
@deepraine, again, I'm not sure if it's a hoax or not, but it's something I'd travel to confirm. I did some quick looking, and the art is not all the same, although flowers seem to figure prominently. Why should an elephant not draw a flower? THey eat them. ALso, when I draw people, I always draw them the same--stick figures. This is a defect of talent, not imagination.
laraesque 2 years ago
Looking at the hoax site, I see exactly what you said: "Just for clarification, with these realistic figural works, the elephant is still the only one making the marks on the paper but the paintings are learned series of brushstrokes not Hong painting a still life on her own." Still, I'd like to see if this or other animals have the ability to be creative. Gorillas surprised us by creating new words with sign language.
laraesque 2 years ago
★★★★★
Katalyzt 2 years ago 2
Did I really just see an elephant painting an elephant?
Is that not fucking remarkable?
rogan71 2 years ago 5
It's fucking magic! wiiiitch witch! drown the witch!
MyTattooProductions 2 years ago
No it is a sign...Follow the sign of the elephant with a flower....Kill elephants and worship flowers, or the other way around.
rogan71 2 years ago
@rogan71
Didn't look like it was enjoying itself though..
eksiarvamus 2 years ago
Jolly painting though, underlining homosexual subtext...Most artist are depressed.
rogan71 2 years ago
also interesting to note is that it's painting itself from behind. He had to use at least two mirrors for that.
eksiarvamus 2 years ago
Remarkable, indeed, rogan71. I hope it is true and not a hoax. But I think he should branch out into landscapes.
laraesque 2 years ago
I think it's more a learned behavior then self awareness, but I could be wrong...either way, the artistry, attention to detail and sheer concentration is breathtaking
rogan71 2 years ago
Google "Self-recognition in an Asian elephant".
Hoglund 2 years ago 2
i cant believe my eyes... i had no idea elephants could do that. i have to see this in person
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago 2
I'm so f*****n embarrassed!!
That elephant draws better than me!
ChiefRepublic 2 years ago 8
Ditto. :(
SexyMelon 2 years ago
Ah yes, the painting elephant. Is it a sign of abstract thinking, or a case of demonstrating the dexterity of an elephant by means of training ?
Did the elephant learn to paint only one image or can the elephant also spontaneously, without practice, paint a random object the elephant just saw ?
DoggySpew 2 years ago
The artist elephant! Makes me wonder, if elephants got artists, do they have religions or do they have scientists?
If so, could there be some correlation between the abstraction of artistry and the abstraction of religion? Is there some correlation between the abstraction of science and art? Between all three?
If not, do we know of any ritualistic animal and what are the other similarities between them and us?
That elephant sure made me wonder *_^
MegaYippie 2 years ago
@BornWhiteSupremacy
Some christians say we have no souls and others say that we have souls that will burn forever in a lake of fire. Can´t you guys just pick a story and stick to it? Thank you.
SwedishDreamer 2 years ago 2
2:26-3:10 EPIC LOGIC.
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Hahaha. I pity you atheists. You have no souls
I would pity you, but that would be a waste of effort on my part
ReeallityBytes 2 years ago
Why do you assume someone who is educated and understands science is an atheist?
truvelocity 2 years ago
You do realise that your reply came to me, right?
ReeallityBytes 2 years ago
Most educated people who understand science are atheist.
TheBigMclargehuge 2 years ago 2
@TheBigMclargehuge
shhhh we dont want them to know that yet. wait untill its too late. stick to the plan!
...wait christians cant read right? good good.
ryonalionthunder 2 years ago