Lukla Airport landing

[stephen98841272]

stalling is another way of the plane saying fffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuu­uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

[dentalpatience26]

A landing ends with a controlled stall, aka flare

[rey2290]

but you can make a good land without the stall alarm

[rey2290]

could be a good landing but in the POH doesnt say that the alarm needs to activate to be a good land

[rey2290]

but i dont know why peopple say that land with the stall alarm is normally .... is a alarm ! how could be posible being normal land with a alarm activated !

[russelschultz]

@rey2290 its not an alarm, its a stall 'warning'. the idea in a landing is to get the plane to stall, nose up, just inches off the runway. if you set the plane down *before* you stall, you'll likely bounce. and that's not a good thing.

[beeroosterm]

While this airport might be a challenge to land on, I've been looking at a video of a Super Cub pilot landing on Bunker Hill, Nevada (~11,000 feet) that is just a couple hundred feet of dirt/rocks with blowing snow. Truly scary. Makes Lukla look like JFK. Different planes and situation, but the commitment is the same: fuck it up and you're dead - or stranded at the top of an 11,000 foot mountain. Look up "Super Cub landing on windy mt. top" on You Tube. Be impressed.

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm It's true, some people think Lukla is the most extreme place to land anywhere, but at least it's flat and paved. There are some back country landing strips out there, some not even strips at all that you wouldn't bring even a Twin Otter to, and make Lukla look easy.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable Twin Otter? I'm talking the rocky side of a mountain! No runway at all - just a rocky outcropping near the summit. The landing I referred to was an amazing piece of flying. Look it up and behold. Twin Otter? Please!...

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm I've seen the video you're talking abut before. To fly like that is less about balls than it is just having the right plane. By the way, I don't think you fully understood my previous comment. I was agreeing with you that Lukla is not the most extreme if you couldn't tell. Like you shouldn't take a Twin Otter to Bunker Hill.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable Have to disagree about the Bunker Hill landing/takeoff. Of course you wouldn't take a twin Otter there - and of course the Cub is one of the few planes that could land/take off from such a place. But to say that it is less about balls than the type of plane is to give too much credit to most pilots. It is one thing to consider the possibility of landing at Bunker Hill and quite another to commit to landing at an angle on an acre of rocks two miles up. Balls! Lukla is for fags!

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm With due respect to Bunker Hill, that area is less treacherous than it looks on camera. From the video, it appeared that Super Cub with tundra tires - a plane that can likely take off and land inside of 50 feet, was landing on what appeared to be about a 20 percent grade, which could actually aid the pilot. And then take off is as simple as rolling off the edge. Balls don't hurt, but any bush pilot would agree it's mostly about knowing what you're doing and what your plane can do.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable You remind me of the person who vastly oversimplifies everything without understanding what it really takes to do it. For instance, if I said it was difficult to play the flute, you would say "no it isn't - all you have to do is blow on one end and move your fingers on the other". Nope. It might look that way, but the person playing it expertly is doing many things at once to make it look easy. Same with Bunker Hill. Don't tell me about "less" treacherous, Mr. Monday AM pilot...

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm Aside from being combative, you're answering your own question. There is no oversimplification here, you're just thinking it's more dangerous and difficult than it is because you've never done it before and wouldn't know how. Playing a flute looks hard to someone who doesn't, but it's easy work for a proficient flutist because they know what they're doing. The same goes for a proficient pilot. Proficiency of skill is everything, not "balls". But if you want to be in awe that's okay.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable I didn't ask a question - I was responding to your declaration that the Bunker Hill landing site is "less treacherous than it looks on camera". And I disagree with your answer once again. Please show me the footage of your landing at Bunker Hill and I'll back off. What? You have none? Then kindly concede that it takes both balls AND skill to make that landing look as easy as Pops does - regardless of the type and configuration of the plane.

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm You didn't ask me the question, but you need an answer obviously. I don't need personal footage of a Bunker Hill landing to know that balls has nothing to do with it. Like I said, proficiency is everything, and the aircraft type means a lot. Just because you know nothing about landing on a mountainside, does not mean it's particularly dangerous for the guy who did it, and probably did it before. He would say the same. It's not cheating death, it just is what it is. Landing a plane.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable Balls has everything to do with it, you fool. If it didn't, there would be a crowd up there having a party, much like Lukla. All the plane has is potential; it's the pilot who determines how it is used. You can be the most proficient pilot in the world in a Super Cub and not have the balls to land at BH.

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm Go ahead and call me a fool, but it's not balls. That suggests there is some degree of recklessness involved. A smart pilot is not reckless. He knows what he's getting into before he does it. He's measures his conditions, and adjusts his flight plan and control inputs accordingly. Like many things in life, flying is a risk, but it's not a luck of the draw that he's not killed. Do you think it takes balls to fly at 30,000 feet? Of course not, but 100 years ago they'd call you crazy.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable On the contrary, recklessness has nothing to do with balls. And contrary to what you apparently believe, sometimes it IS the luck of the draw that gets you killed. You can be he most fastidious pilot on the planet and get nailed by something as quotidian as a puff of wind at the wrong moment. You can minimize your risk but not eliminate it. That's where balls comes in: taking the risk where (most) others wouldn't.

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm There is risk in just being alive. That doesn't mean it takes particular balls to live, but awareness. Your belief that big balls are necessary, brings into question the level of nerve required for a BH landing. Everyone has a threshold regarding their safety, it varies from person to person. What some one do, others would not for fear of personal harm. What one perceives as dangerous is strictly relative. Bunker would cross your threshold apparently, but not that pilot's.

[beeroosterm]

@LateNightCable You should be a fucking politician; your inability to address the issues, or rather, your desire to obfuscate the obvious is very well developed. If this is delieberate, I'm uncertain of your motive(s). I cannot decide whether you do not understand or whether you're arguing for the sake of argument. Sometimes it's difficult to read between the lines. I give up. You win.

[LateNightCable]

@beeroosterm lol, that's funny. I've been told I should be a lawyer. Anyway, not to drive it into the ground more than it has been or act like a politician, but even matters that seem obvious, have deeper layers. I was just exchanging personal views with you. I will say If you ever have the opportunity to fly a bush plane, I think you'll find that some things which seem death defying on camera, can actually be quite thrilling in person, and life affirming. Nice chatting with ya!

[FrapsYou]

why is my pant wet?

[albert7293]

DHC-6 COOL

[jhsuarez71]

This will be the best  school pilot

[armandin2048]

What's your point, why not read the rest of the thread before shooting your mouth off?

[bafacha]

There is no go around in this airport which makes it even more volatile.

[shawnthemuzikgeek]

WOW!! One of the best pilots



[dirkhh22]

Wtf !!! Those balls aren't made of iron not of steel could be made of cryptonite...awesome

[armageddonarman]

They have iron balls!

[etiennexmd13]

when did this plane crash??

[thezmanization]

They make the landing look like duck soup!!

[fedeaer737]

estan en pedo

[ammobaba]

You can hear the stall horn after they flared.

[shadows360]

Great landing !!!

[Musti087]

skills ;)

[flexairz]

A go around is no option...

[logstarful]

Can anyone tell me what are the procedures for landing since it does not have any approcah plate.

[DelfinoDelphis]

@logstarful It's visual. It doesn't need any plate :)

[R32inAZ]

Damn.. someone throw out the anchor!

[HENKAir1895]

nice landing =]

[HamasCaveira]

Full stall before touch! Hard land... Beautiful.

[Matthewlloyd84]

@HamasCaveira Full stall symptoms are heavy buffet, nose drop, possible wing drop and a high rate of decent. All we hear is the audio warning, a sign of the approaching stall which is what you should get before landing anyway... Perfectly safe, and well executed landing.

[helobelow]

Terrific skill!

[sandesh20002000]

if u dont nail it here, u die..

[vgmaster777]

that is one hell of a landing

[lerrysan]

love the stall sound!!!!!

[sqy391]

it's better than getting in too fast. if a plane missed approach, it had few chances of going around. The end of runway is next to mountains, scary.

[exceptional1414]

@sqy391 after 9400ft there is no go around. One the sequence starts you finished it or it finishes you.

[juanfacu80]

stall

[haykodjan]

wach courchevel airport , is more scary

[patton303]

Jesus man...

They just divebomb that farking runway.....

Wow... that was amazing....

[SenorSpode]

The optical illusion is the clincher: the runway is sloping up at 12 degrees, you have to come in from below and climb to get on a glide slope and bleed off speed in the touchdown to get it right. And guess what? No go-around. Definitely amazing.

[qortes]

indeed, it crashed. Very sad news for me.

[Rocksquad37]

@qortes

That's too bad, please send my regards to your family

[Cre7tiv]

Today it crashed. I must say that in reality the mountains are much closer and higher as seen here on Video. Although it's a VFR-flight the airplane is sometimes flying through cloud, often only 20 Meter vertical distance to high mountain passes. Last not least the steep left-turn into the final of the sloping runway which is extremly short. All the time you have the feeling flying against a wall at the final of the narrow valley. This video is good but by far not the real impression.

[merc340sr]

How about metal fatigue?, Number of hours of flight? I don't doubt that they are one of the best.

[merc340sr]

Not to take anything away from the pilots, the Twin Otter is specifically designed to land over a very short distance. Stall speed is bout 60 miles per hour with full flap, which is very slow for an aircraft.

The reason for the Twin Otter write offs, is that the aircraft is old and has not been produced since the 1980's. Production started up again in March 2008.

[qwerty3008]

And what does the otter being old have to do with the crashes? I have been flying them for years and have never crashed? It is one of the best AC of all time. Oh and the viking Otters aren't going to be online until roughly 2010 now.

[merc340sr]

More than 600 Twin Otters remain in service of the 844 built. The last aircraft was delivered 17 years ago and many are reaching the end of their design service life.

source : viking co. website

[qwerty3008]

And of those 600 remaining did they fail to mention many of them have been totally rebuilt?

[merc340sr]

Looks like you really like the Twin Otter and took my comments personally. Take a look at this video "Flying from Mahe to Praslin Seychelles in DH Twin Otter" and see my comments under the name "merc340sr". you'll feel better.

[SHRACKNEL]

Nepal pilots are the Best? Your kidding right?

They write off a Twin otter every couple of years along with 17-18 other people. CFIT masters!

[tomellis6680]

a good landing is a controlled stall!! which is exactly what they did!! I'm a commercial pilot and that is a very difficult task in anyones book!

[waterattack]

@tomellis6680 Yea...your not a commercial pilot, your a simulator pilot.A commercial airline pilot has that information and is proud about it on his profile.

[MrAirbusDude]

@waterattack I think you hit a soft spot there. Your probably correct though, he is nothing more than a commercial airline pilot wannabe.

[armandin2048]

@tomellis6680 You mean you actually stall an airliner before it is on the deck??? Remind me to avoid any flights where you are in command!

[chrisklein21]

@armandin2048 stalling just before touchdown is not done on airliners. it is mostly done on smaller planes with no speed brakes or spoilers. on like smaller aircraft's like cessna or pipers or whatever it may be, just before touchdown you stall the wings so they don't produce any more lift and you settle nicely onto the runway without floating.

[armandin2048]

@chrisklein21 I am a pilot!

[chrisklein21]

@armandin2048 and your point is? doesn't make you any more special than anybody else being a pilot.

[jesusisbetter]

@tomellis6680 A controlled stall? You're a commercial pilot? Considering the stall warning horn sounds well before critical seperation of airflow over the wing, how do you know this was a stall? A controlled stall? Please explain. A stall whether controlled or not causes the airplane to drop. In all MY years as a commercial pilot I've never heard this nonsense you spout about a "controlled stall." Oh-I see this is 3 years old, nevermind, I suppose.

[carlosvaldes2007]

@tomellis6680 im the co pilot on this flight my name is carlos

[Nepaliboy419140]

a rare breed of daring pilots like the RAF pilots during WWII. Awesome skill and balls!

[dpapaioannow]

@Nepaliboy419140 yes it is true...those CHINESE pilots are one of the best in the world

[pilotwhoisneverhome]

khukuridal that is quite the statement

[khukuridal]

nepalese pilots r the best in tne world...

[djangoz]

I just got back, flew in on a plane and out in a helicopter. Unforgettable - and in monsoon season. I'm glad I didn't know how many crashes there have been until after I got home. Nice video of the landing!

[Cre7tiv]

In reality it's much more thrilling. I have a pilot-license by my self nevertheless it was something special, especially with the cloudy weather we had.

[matty8hiker]

I went there last year, amazing flight, got video myself, most thrilling flight I have ever been on

[1Hutchinson1]

you dont think the pilots are very good? Ive been on that flight, they r some of the best pilots in the world, try flying a plane thru the mountains when u have to land on a runway about 100m long

[Aerolineas747]

you must have 7 years experience to be allowed to fly there

[santskatefly]

that stalled on landing? i think it did these pilots are So good, amazing video. i hope to go there soon

[lemmy6]

Very very good video,...in the next five year I hope to land there