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  • Fake or we would have built a moon station not space station

  • DISNEY NASA

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  • With no retro rockets to slow the craft down on it's return the craft would have burned up in the upper atmosphere and to get the right entry angle was likened to catching a raindrop dropped from a skyscraper with a teaspoon. ....methinks it was all a hoax

  • @walkabout16

    Oh please enlighten us, how fast was the Apollo craft going when it hit the Earth's atmosphere?

    If you don't know that then you are just another shit talking moon hoaxer that is making up crap.

  • @Blahblobify the mental retard

    LOL apollo trolls are dumber than monkeys

  • @walkabout16 Nasa is a sick joke

  • NASA DISNEY MISSIONS

    FILMED ON EARTH

  • Send the Apollo Astronauts to prison

    Fake moon landings = Fraud = Treason

  • Point the hubble at it n c if ya can c a fuckin rover or a flag

  • @ald88cod Look up diffraction limited optics with google. The math is not very hard. You will see why a telescope at earth will never see something the size of the rover.

    You can see nice pictures of the rover's tracks and a not very good image of the rover its self if you look up the LRO pictures of the Apollo site. The pictures you want are done, just not with hubble.

  • If a child grows up in a Christian home, chances are they will be Christian.

    If a child grows up eating meat, chances are they will not be vegan.

    If a child grows up in a family full of artists, chances are they will be artistically inclined.

    and

    If a child grows up, learning in class that America landed on the moon, chances are nothing will change their mind. No matter what evidence is presented. It's human psychology.

  • @prettygalwithabrain If a child grows up in a family where science is explained and math is done, they will understand that Apollo was for real.

    If a child learns to think for themselves and to check things presented as evidence, they will know that Apollo was for real.

    There is no evidence against Apollo. All of the claims fall with just a little checking. Only those who take on faith the statements of the "we never went to the moon" folks think otherwise.

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  • @Blahblobify Wow your argument is flawless. (read Sarcasm)

  • @prettygalwithabrain -- The fact of the matter is this:

    Some people merely believe what they are told. And other people figure things out for themselves.

    There are SOME people who believe Apollo was real merely because they believe it.

    But ALL of the people who believe it was a hoax are the kind who just believe what they are told because it fits their desired imagination.

    Anyone who uses their brain and figures things out for themselves can prove that the entire "hoax theory" is a fraud.

  • "Buzz is probably embellishing the story a little. But it's possible" ,,, what sort of reliable conclusions can be made from such a standpoint.

    but, if ,, entertainment is what people want,, then this is fine.

  • no time for more - blurr4e dlines between fact and fiction. - we need ,, just the sure facts - no more blurry fictionfact garbage

  • FAKING IT TO THE MOON''1968-1972

    @knowledgemonkey the apollo troll has brain damage

  • knowledgemonger, are you saying the cornercubes could not have gone by unmanned vehicles?

  • @thecubanism If you want to claim that they could have gone on an unmanned rocket, you will have to find some evidence that any were launched that could have done it. A rocket that will get to the moon looks just like an ICBM launch (near enough). They can't be kept secret and Russia would have likely started WW-3 if anyone was dumb enough to do a unannounced launch. We know Apollo left the ground with people on it. There is no getting around it. Apollo did go to the moon.

  • @knowledgemonger has brain damage. The troll gets $10 a day spamming lies on youtube

  • @NasaCriminals I see that you are still using the thing about stars even after it has been explained to you. You really need to come up with some new stuff. Every claim you have made has been debunked so many times now that it isn't funny.

  • ...the usual...../watch?v=_1_4JpP-lSo Dark Side of the Moon Part 1/6 (HOAX Documentary)  LOOK FAMILIAR ???? Sheesh!

  • IN 6 DAYS GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

    ON THE 7TH DAY NASA FAKED THE MOON LANDINGS

  • I have just read Buzz's book 'Magnificent Desolation', and from it I quote about leaving the moon 'The engine fired belching a plume of flame and blasting lunar dust, unfortunately I neglected to turn on the camera so we didn't get a shot from the window', how convenient, but we got a so-called shot from the surface, no plume of flame, no blast of lunar dust, and how did he see a flame and blast of dust anyhow? was his head out the window?

  • @thecubanism people who have seen the LEM all say it was a toy

  • @thecubanism No problem dude; most of the following missions managed to shoot the takeoff, so we can see them.

    Buzz is probably embellishing the story a little. But it's possible he caught a flash of igniting gases shortly after ignition. Watching the later missions, from 15 onwards where the rover camera records the takeoff, there is definitely a flash.

    Have you seen them?

  • @krisdevalle the mental retard

    Explain why armstrong said he never saw stars on the fake apollo 11 mission

    and buzz the clown said he did?

    Come on you lying sack of shit have a guess

  • @NasaCriminals You stupid fuck explain why Armstrong couldn't see stars in the light of the Sun but Buzz could see then in the navigation telescope.

    Take your meds and don't let me see you on anymore J.Krishnamurti videos you shallow soulless carcass.

  • @staIkervisions It has all been explained to NasaCriminals many times. People have gone to great detail on the subject. It can no longer be assumed that he doesn't understand because he is merely thick. It either must be that his beliefs are like those of a cult member and can't be changed by the facts or that there is a dishonesty at work here. Since he has been caught in several lies, I believe that it is simple dishonesty at work.

  • @staIkervisions the mental retard

    LOL kid armstrong said he never saw stars from cislunar space.

    Do you know what that means fuckhead?

  • I still have to see something that would convince me that the moon landings were real, so far I have seen nothing conclusive, one argues for, another argues against but most of the arguments against seem to be by people, on film, with impeccable credentials, not the phoney Yank bullshitters like Spreadingtheshit.

  • @thecubanism You just need to go look up the Laser ranging experiments that used the cornercubes. There is your proof.

  • FAKING IT

    ON THE

    FUCKING MOON

  • lol, Moon landing is still about 75 to 100 year away. americans are going to be the laughing stock until the end of time when the real truth is fully exposed. they will never be able to live it down. it will be equal to the idiots who tried to build the tower of babel from mud.

  • @glower125 You seem to have a problem.

  • @mat967 the moron

    You still here posting your lies you brainwashed monkey

  • @NasaCriminals Actually, if someone look brainwashed, its you. I did not say anything about my belief. You just seem to hate non-stop for no reason.

    problem? :D trololol

  • Nasa = Fake

  • 6 FAKED MOON LANDINGS

    1969-1972

    Apollo Hoax + Gemini Hoax

    Nasa is a Joke

  • @kowledgemonkey the apollo troll posts a thin layer of metal reflects cosmic radiation.

    This retard should be in the Asylum

  • @NasaCriminals I just noticed that you lied in here too. You are making up stuff.

    I stated that a thin layer of metal will reflect most of the suns radiation. It is a true statement but you don't understand it. I have even suggested that you go look up the words in the dictionary or open a physics book or the like so that perhaps you could understand the comment. It is not rocket science.

  • @NasaCriminals why u so mad bro?

    why so much hate? :D

  • @knowledgemonkey has brain damage

    Imagine posting that a thin layer of metal reflects most of the suns radiation

    Apollo Trolls employed by Phil Plait the Nasa idiot astronomer are morons

  • @DeadJesus100 Imagine not looking the words up in a dictionary or perhaps opening a text book or perhaps not even checking with google before suggesting that a comment like that is not correct.

    Others: You will discover if you check even a little that a thin layer of metal will indeed reflect most of the suns radiation. This assumes that you don't already know it.

  • only a mental retard would post that a thin layer of metal will reflect most of the suns radiation

    APOLLO FRAUD

  • @NasaCriminals Proving that the "we never went to the moon crowd" is dumb is getting to be way too easy.  Try a dictionary.

  • @knowledgemonkey LOL a Monkey Dictionary

  • Kubrick directed the Fake moon landings

    He should have won an oscar

  • @NasaCriminals BRAVO! I wuz wondering who it was! ;D

  • APOLLO ZERO

    100% FAKED

  • Kubrick should have won an oscar for best movie

    for the Fake Moon landings

  • APOLLO ZERO

    ZERO MOON LANDINGS

  • They work for the CIA

  • APOLLO

    IS

    A

    DISNEY

    JOKE

  • There is a new map of the moon just about to be published. It shows the topology to a better resolution than previous versions.

    We have a lot more interesting things going on in the real world than in the made up nonsense of the "we never went to the moon" crowd. The real world is almost always more interesting that fiction and always more interesting than the fiction of the various idiot conspiracy theories.

  • JFK THE FATHER OF THE MOON HOAX

    /watch?v=pCp2jTtay0w&feature=r­­elated

    Apollo 11 40th anniversary

    APOLLO IS THE JOKE OF HISTORY

  • @DeadJesus100 You are a joke of education. Why do only the least educated like yourself believe in bullshit? You get your education from youtube videos and that is sad. Grow up and get an education. Apollo is a very historical event and did in fact happen and there is evidence that demonstrates that. Every argument made by you and other morons like yourself have been refuted. You lost get over it idiot.

  • @db10001110101 The 10 year old troll kid

    What shielding did the Apollo have against radiation monkey brain?

    Lol your are even more retarded when you are on medication :)

  • @DeadJesus100 I guess it should be expected that you would continue to ask the question about radiation shielding even though this subject has been completely addressed. You are trying to suggest by the framing of your question that there is enough radiation in space that it need shielding even though you have never posted a number supporting this claim. You are also asking the question even after I explained to you that a thin layer of metal will reflect most of the suns radiation.

  • @knowledgemonkey

    Yet another brain dead apollo troll

    What protects the moon from radiation crackhead?

    LOL @ " A THIN LAYER OF METAL"

    You must be sent to the asylum as soon as possible sicko

  • @DeadJesus100 There you go suggesting that the poor little moon needs protecting from radiation. You seem not able to grasp that the moon is just a great big rock and would not be very bothered by the little bit of radiation that there is out there. There isn't enough radiation at the moon to even be bothered about for humans so why would a big chunk of rock care.

    It is also funny that you still don't grasp the thing about reflecting most of the sun's radiation.

  • @knowledgemonkey the brain damaged troll says that a thin layer of metal can protect us from cosmic radiation

    You need to be in a mental asylum pronto

  • @DeadJesus100 I see that you are telling the same lie in multiple places. I pointed out that a thin layer of metal can reflect most of the suns radiation. I have also pointed out that cosmic radiation was no problem for Apollo. You may want to open a dictionary to learn how badly you are embarrassing your self in public. You can't even make up good lies.

  • @knowledgemonkey

    A thin layer of metal can protect most radiation only in your retarded brain.

  • @DeadJesus100 You again mischaracterize what I said. This is dishonesty on your part and not mere sloppiness. I said that a thin layer of metal will reflect most of the sun's radiation. This is a very different thing from "A thin layer of metal can protect most radiation" as you suggested. You may want to try doing a little googling before you reply. You may discover just how much you are embarrassing your self in public.

  • @knowledgemonkey we all know that you are brain damaged kid :)

    What is the difference between a thin layer of metal reflecting or protecting idiot?

    Are you retarded?

  • @NasaCriminals "Are you retarded?" No. Now a question for you. Do you agree that a thin layer of metal will reflect most of the sun's radiation? Deadjesus100 seems not to.

  • @DeadJesus100 Ive read your childish comments and you have been acting like a child along with NasaCriminals. The both of you watched the same propaganda and think by repeating the statements in that film while acting like complete idiots that makes you smart, but sorry kid you are not even close. You are talking about the van alan radiation belt am I correct? Well moron first look up what type of radiation there is, how much of that radiation, and how much radiation it takes to kill a human.

  • @DeadJesus100 After you look this up then you will understand why a college education doesnt stand up to a propaganda film watching 10 year old on his daddy's computer. WHat next are you gona bring up? The absence of sound when the lander was touching down on the moons surface? I love that one. Every argument you have is not valid and has been demonstrated to be wrong. Good for you being an idiot must be hard work. Hahahhaahahahahahahahahahhhaah­ahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahah­a

  • @db10001110101 is a mental retard :)

  • @DeadJesus100 Gee, Thats real intelligent. What no it wasnt just like everything else you have said. Hey moron you never looked up the van alan radiation belt and just kept repeating your retarded comment over and over even tho everyone else knows you are a moron and are wrong. You wear a helmet at all times dont ya? Cant even come up with an intelligent argument. Hahahahahahahahahahhaha.

  • APOLLO ZERO

    ZERO MOON LANDINGS

  • APOLLO 100% FAKED

  • Couldn't the cornercubes have been set up by an un-manned vehicle, I think they could, or am I wrong?

  • Years ago, the Vatican, in response to people pointing out that the four Gospels all differed in their accounts of Jesus' life,  from where he was born right through to his final words, set up a panel of Jesuits to clarify the situation, not only could they not clarify the situation they found even more discrepencies, so the project was dropped, years later NASA, concerned at the number of discrepencies commisioned a book to be written clarifying , the situation, dropped wasn't it?

  • @thecubanism Years ago, there where many who claimed that the earth was flat. Then some nice people pointed out all the proof that it was round. Some of those who claimed the flat earth continued to believe the idea even after it was disproved. Later some people claimed that Apollo could not have gone to the moon. The some nice people kindly pointed out all the proof like the cornercubes etc that said that it was for real.

  • The name of the mockumentary dark side of the moon check the name of the guys are the same of the Stanley kubrick movies. this is a joke.

  • No cornercubes on the moon, its just another Nasa Lie

    APOLLO ZERO

  • @NasaCriminals So all those astronomers all around the world who use those cornercubes are in on the massive conspiracy in this fantasy world of yours. Sorry but you just can't explain away the cornercubes. They are there. The lunar ranging experiments prove this. Apollo was real get over it.

  • @knowledgemonkey

    BRian Oleary the Nasa scientist astronaut said the moon landings were FAKE

    hats good enough for me fuckwit

    Get over youyr retardation

  • @knowledgemonkey

    Scientists were bouncing lasers off the moon before the fake apollo missions retard troll

  • @NasaCriminals People could walk between two places before there were cars. Your argument is like the claim that people are still only getting from point A to point B on foot even when the distance traveled and the amount of time prove that they went faster than a man can run. The same is true of the Laser off the moons surface vs off a cornercube. The accuracy of the experiment with the cornercube simply can't be done with a bounce off a surface.

  • @knowledgemonkey

    LOL we all know that you have serious brain damage :)

    Your comments verify that fact

  • @NasaCriminals No they weren't you idiot! You need a very powerful laser and reflective surface like a mirror to get a good return and that could only be done when someone put it on the Moon and set it up accurately!It's not the same as a military laser to shoot a tank or your laser pen it has to be powerful enough to get to the Moon and back If you still don't believe me then read a book on lasers! It's still working, go to the NASA site,Google "nasa laser beam moon" and you'll find it "Troll"

  • @John123DAoust the mental retard

    Scientists from MIT were bouncing lasers off the moon before the FAKE APOLLO MISSIONS

    Google it fuckhead

  • @NasaCriminals "Cars don't exist. People were walking between two places before cars were invented." "Boats don't exist people could swim before boats were invented"

    The Apollo missions were real. The cornercubes prove it. Get over it.

  • @knowledgemonkey has brain damage lol

    Get over your retardation

    Moon landings 100% Bullshit

  • @NasaCriminals Your right but It's not working now is it,I'll repete myself This is such bullshit! Have you heard of "The Cold War"...? Well let me tell you that if the USSR would have known it was a hoax then the whole world would have known about it...but they didn't...why because they followed them all the way to the Moon with their own radar and watched them come home again! That in itself is proof that we did go to the Moon and if you still believe it was fake then your just an idiot!

  • @John123DAoust you are a MORON

    LOL @ "repete"

    Russia faked trackin g the apollo disney missions

    Learn how to spell kid :)

  • @NasaCriminals Your such an asshole! What are you 15...you sound like it! Your a moron and really not worth talking to, everybody is an asshole but you right. When you get out of high-school you might be allowed to talk with the grownup's but I doubt it because that would require intelligence and common sense, thing you don't have!

    "Russia faked trackin g the apollo disney missions"

    I've heard arguments about this subject before but this is the stupidest comment EVER, you really are an idiot!

  • @NasaCriminals The only way to get a good return is with a reflective surface, you can bounce a laser on the moon but you won't get a accurate return with information just a bunch of noise and light with no information like lasing a tank or airplane, a scattering of light not a pinpoint return...fuckhead! Read a book sometime and learn something!

    I'll bet you think 911 was an inside job too don't you...LOL What a maroon!

  • @John123DAoust retard, bouncing laser beams of the moon is done all the time and it was done years before the landing hoax.

  • @glower125 Look at the data quality for the Laser ranging of the moons surface vs what can be done with cornercubes. Suggesting that the cornercubes are not there is like arguing that just because people can walk between two places cars don't exist. The data quality proves the existence of the cornercubes and hence that Apollo was for real. Get over it. It was real. Go find something else to dispute like perhaps the pope being a jew or what bears do in the woods.

  • Mean while back in the real world, those cornercubes on the moon are still in use nearly every day. The Apollo crews set them up. That makes them one of the longest running experiments ever done.

  • IN 6 DAYS GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH

    ON THE 7TH DAY KUBRICK FILMED THE FAKE MOON LANDINGS

  • @NasaCriminals

    It all makes sense now you a Born Again Christian, no wonder your so stupid! I guess it's bad for me to pick on people that are ill-equipped to deal with reality so I'll stop picking on you now, my mom always said it not nice to pick on retards...sorry!

    PS. Do they make you wear a helmet and Is your room padded?

  • @John123DAoust

    Nasa is the new religion

    Burn the Evil Bible

    and send the nasa astronauts to prison for faking it

  • Since nobody on the "we never went to the moon" side is even trying to back up their claims and are only using insults, I guess that means they are finally admitting that they have nothing.

  • @knowledgemonkey has brain damage

    This troll posts that seeing stars in space is not possible if the space craft lights are on

    LOL Monkey Brain

  • @DeadJesus100 Anyone who cares to do the experiment can do it at home. Wait for a clear dark night. Turn off all the lights and look out the window at the stars. Then turn on some lights. You will quickly see the point.

  • @knowledgemonkey LOl do your retarded experiments in your room and watch out for the radiation troll

  • @DeadJesus100 A simple little experiment that nearly anyone can do proves that you are wrong. You have made a lot of claims. Each one has fallen when checked. In this case, checking doesn't even take opening a book or doing google. All people have to do is look out a window to know that you are wrong.

  • @knowledgemonkey can not refute that Nasa Faked the Moonlandings

    This retarded troll makes up his own shit as he goes along lol

  • @DeadJesus100 I proposed a simple little experiment that anyone can do that proves you are wrong. Get over it.

  • APOLLO

    F

    A

    K

    E

    APOLLO

  • APOLLO ZERO

    Humans are sheep

    They believe whatever they are told

    Like fake moon landings

    911 inside job

    and dead jesus

  • The cornercubes on the moon are FAKE

    Nasa can not show us proof of retroreflectors on the moon.

    Scientists were bouncing lasers off the moon before the

    FAKE APOLLO MISSIONS

  • @DeadJesus100 Anyone who cares about the truth can go look up the data. There is simply no way that the cornercubes could be faked. The Laser ranging experiments prove that they are there.

    Your argument is like "cars don't exist. People could walk between two places before there were cars". Just like the speed that someone gets between two places proves that there is something faster than walking, the data from the experiments proves that there is a retroreflector.

  • @knowledgemonger THE MENTAL RETARD

    lol you can not explain your moronic comments so you post utter trash

  • Those cornercubes that the Apollo crews set up on while on the moon, are still in use today. Apollo was real. The only question is why some don't want to admit it.

  • @knowledgemonger shit for brains

    Nasa can not show us the cornercubes on the moon

    because they are FAKE

  • @DeadJesus100 I wouldn't expect you, or perhaps even a reasonable person, to trust NASA's pictures of the cornercubes. Instead we have all those astronomers all around the world who use them to measure the distance to the moon and their very accurate distance measurements to go from. Anyone who cares about the truth can look it up and do the math to prove that they are there. It isn't even all that hard. You can approximate the statistics and it is good enough.

  • @knowledgemonger shit for brains

    Show us proof of cornercubes on the mooon fuckhead

    $10 a day youtube troll perveret prostitute

  • @DeadJesus100 I have never seen the cubes either. Do they exist? How do we know ?? Is there no photograph?

  • @snaredrum110 Lol knowledgemongrel only posts about the cubes but Nasa cant

    show us any proof that they exist.

    I enjoy your comments debasing and insulting the apollo troll queers

  • @DeadJesus100 And I enjoy yours..

  • @snaredrum110 :) cool

  • @snaredrum110

    WOW....You two should get a room and go fuck yourselves!

  • Respond to this video...  They use to measure the moon ti the millionth of an inch without cubes, And who gives a fuck where the moon is moving to anyway. Only some anal asswipes could be concerned

  • @snaredrum110

    Really this is your response? "I smoke you like a welding rod! I can tell bu how flat your aerial toms are that you have zero stcik control technique. I can tell that you suck actually just by your set up.."

    It's a promo picture from the Gretsch site you asshole and it's not my setup, you use the same logic as you did with the Moon Landings,you assume! I've been playing professionally for 40years so your opinion REALLY doesn't matter to me!

    Assume that you basement drummer!

  • @DeadJesus100 NASA doesn't have to provide the proof. You can go to the observatory in the Crimea and look at there experimental results. You will see the proof if you ever bother to look. Instead, you will just make up nonsense claims and try to duck the issue. They prove that you are wrong.

  • @knowledgemongrel i dont call you a mental retard on youtube for no reason troll :)

  • @knowledgemonger STFU flag fucker and show a godamn clear photo of the cubes bitch.. If you don't have one admit it. Fuck you until you show something asswipe. Do it fast or I'll jack your syphlittic ass up.

  • @snaredrum110 Straight to insults I see. There is an expression among lawyers:

    When the law is against you argue the facts. When the facts are against you argue the law. When both the law and the facts are against you, call the other guy names.

  • @knowledgemonger LIke snaredrum gives a fuck about what dirtbag attorneys say? tell em to get an honorable job..

  • @knowledgemongrel LOL what does a moron like you know about law?

    You are far too dumb to copy paste the correct nasa nazi propaganda on youtube.

    and THATS A FACT

  • APOLLO ZERO

    In 2011 the shuttles can not go further than 220 miles into space

    in 1969 Space technology was a joke

    NASA CRIMINALS SHOULD BE BEHIND BARS

  • RIP

    Stanley Kubrick the traitor who directed the

    FAKE MOON LANDINGS

  • knowledgemonger, how did it advance technology when we went [supposedly] 240,000 miles to the moon in 1969 and in 2011 we haven't been higher than 400 miles and lost 14 astronauts? 400 miles in '69 and 240.000 in 2011 would be advancing technology, also I keep asking for photo's or proof of them unloading, unhinging and fitting out the rover with the accessories and unedited footage of them boarding the LEM and taking off, Oh, and how did they plant the flag in a thin layer of dust?

  • @thecubanism We went to the moon. Apollo was real. Get over it. The LRO showed pictures. Go look at them. The cornercubes are proof that the Apollo craft went to the moon. It left earth with humans on it. With just a little work with google every one one of the questions can be answered. I suggest you do the work and stop asking silly questions in these comments. You will find all the answers if you just seek them out.

  • @knowledgemonger There's no way these idiots will listen to reason or logic so I say let them live in their world of Conspiracies! Their kinda talk is a result of ignorance and there's no way to change their minds! You and I are wasting our time on them when we could be doing something more useful! So I give up, take care!

  • @John123DAoust I don't hope to change the minds of the true believers. I also know that some on the "we never went to the moon" side don't really believe the tripe they are selling. The best I can hope to do is to prevent their claims from going uncorrected and thus prevent them from fooling others. We see dishonesty on the other side of the argument so this is obviously not a true disagreement over facts. It is those in favor of the truth vs those who wish to propagate a lie.

  • @knowledgemonger Well said!

  • @John123DAoust Lets chat about the facts of the FAKE APOLLO MISSIONS

  • @thecubanism

    No matter how many videos or photos you are shown you'll just claim they are faked.

    Your claim that the Space Shuttle and ISS aren't an advance in space travel technology because they just operate in orbit is childish.

  • @Blahblobify dumb troll

    What was the furthest any Shuttkle went from earth ?

    Let me show youtubers how childish and dumb you are

  • I still don't know why the Americans would give the Dutch a piece of petrified wood, what was the explanation when it was handed over?

  • @thecubanism The Petrified Forest National Park was created in the 1950s. It is a really amazing place. People discussed it at the time. There were TV program made about it. Apollo was not the only thing going on in the world. in that era.

    Yes, placing the cornercubes with a robot would have been just as good from a science point of view. However, the US was in a race to put a person on the moon so they did it with the Apollo crew. Apollo was for real.