FAA Animation Runway Incursion Providence, Rhode Island

[MrApaca]

no comment

[JimFlier]

@Chris - Yes & No. You probably know where the taxiways are at your local airport just due to continued exposure to them. But I NEVER turn On or Off ANY taxiway without seeing the appropriate signs. If in doubt, stop & ask for help from ground/tower. If it is an unfamiliar airport, I always study the airport diagram before I go. And then I repeat the same thing that I do at my local field. if in doubt, the term "progressive taxi" to ground control is your friend!!

[chrisgast]

I have a question, as a student pilot: do pilots already know where each taxiway is from the runways - without having to look at the airport diagram/chart? If so, how? I'm not sure my instructor has shown me that yet.

[TheTriforcebearer]

this looks like a website i was wondering where i could find it. is it a atc type website where it shows close calls and such?

[SayaAensland]

-Pilot reports they're on 23 Right

-Pilot reports they can see taxiway Kilo.

-It is not possible to see taxiway Kilo from 23 Right.

-Pilot reports that they are on an active runway.

Occam's Razor: Pilot is not on the runway he thinks he is.

The conclusion that the ATC takes: The pilots are hallucinating about ever seeing taxiway Kilo or a plane taking off.

[oracle2world]

That USAir pilots are destined to become those "old pilots". You know, there are old pilots and bold pilots, but no old bold pilots.

[Vincentvuoto]

Yeah the US Air crew was smart. And the controller should have held Fedex and USAir, until she knew exactly where United was. She seemed agitated and impulsive. Good video to learn from.

[jwboll]

whew... these guys almost starred in "Mayday"

[leedickerson]

I hope that rude bitch of an controller got fired for this.

[jimbk17]

@leedickerson She didn't, is still there and still just as rude in high stress situations.

[graemejwsmith]

Just for context - This happened in 1999 and since then KPVD has closed 23R (it is now a taxiway) and there is ground surveillance radar and a requirement to use transponders on the ground. That said - it makes a great lesson in Runway Incursion and Aeronautical Decision Making and is still used for this by AOPA.

[Waddeck43]

very wise action of us air 2998

[j2ching]

How did 2998 know something was wrong?

[jwboll]

@j2ching the pilot of 2998 knew something was wrong by paying attention and maintaining situational awareness. (listening to the ground station radio)

(he also probably has a wife at home, and anyone who's married knows when a woman sounds like that, you need to pay attention)

[chrisgast]

@j2ching They knew because they were holding short of takeoff, and listening to the situation. You can tell just by listening to this conversation that there is confusion - it's very clear there is confusion. They weren't cleared to take off, until ATC cleared them at close to the end of the video. Bravo, to US Air 2998! Well done! This won't deter me, as a student pilot - but it will make me realize that I need to be a lot more aware of my airport surroundings - even with ATC.

[curiousman1971]

i can understand the controller's frustration with the United plane for not following instructions......but to keep launching planes when she has somebody "lost" and out of her sight seemed unwise. it's a good thing that FAR 91.3 exists and the USAir pilot took that to heart by refusing take-off

[manny298]

The tower lady got confused she did not realize 23L and 5R are the same runway...

I think all ATC controllers should be required to take ramdon drug tests just like all military members do... Just a thought for safety sakes.

[eduardohasMeTTaL]

"..........references to Runway 23 right while the airplane is actually on 23 left............."

I think is another subject about the enigma 23..........

watch?v=HJW7heKTCTE

[dukee155]

Do these guys have to write down what atc says?

[ikanipo]

the controller and the pilots are at fault. the pilot missed his taxiway...going on bravo instead of novemeber then tango. controller is at fault by becoming frustrated and angry with the lost pilots. she should have remained calm and found out where the lost pilots were. good move rejecting takeoff clearance.

[HaxOrTM]

smart guy holding short

[mike52387]

too bad thats not the right flight number seeing how i work for fedex at that ramp. not the right airport

[kikodftm1008]

the ATC should never cleared the take off knowing she had a plane confused o n the run ways. and if the pilot of the confused plane told her that someone just took off she should known that they were crossing 23L...

[MacandPc703]

dang, the pilot probably had a really bad feeling about taking off so he's like screw we'll wait!

[kvkTR]

Wow, that could've been catastrophic. Even though they were cleared good on USAir 2998 for using common sense to hold short until things are sorted.

[pilotjanmanpeterpan]

Woman and aircrafts not a good combination:P

[PB4113R]

Controller thought the plane was on the other runway which is why ahe cleared the other plane to take off there was confusion. If i was in her position i wuldnt have cleared the plane to take off, shes just lucky the pilot was smart enough to hold short of runway

[KuostA]

that is one dumb bitch of a controller. She was TOLD by the PIC that he was ON an ACTIVE runway AND had JUST been nearly hit yet is still ignorant enough to not understand what was going on and clears an aircraft to take off in a high-stress, high confusion situation where you should STOP to regain your bearings.

[mmdghr]

i am never gonna fly

[mmdghr]

holy shit

[cd8100]

all I can say is one confused plane

[Chrisjr2007]

WOA!