This makes sense, sure we have names, we look slightly different. But we all buy the same corporate shit, go to the same schools, go out and find the same shit jobs.
for what? money? so we can buy more shit that won't matter after we're dead? so we can please people we may not even know in 10-20 years? and finally, to follow a religion to make ourselves feel better about not following our natural instincts and having something to "believe in".
Jobs are more than "shit". We don't all get the same ones. Try to find something your interested in. You make it sound weird. Sure we all go to schools.. but we work differently, survive differently. Be more positive!
Being positive is a state of mind. Are you comfortable knowing that nothing any of us do will matter in 20-30-50 years?
You can live in ignorance all you want but the fact is the world is mean, rude, and nasty. People can't face it though because they're too caught up in the latest advertisement showing off the latest clothes or ipods.
You really think that's true? I think if I work hard in school it will matter. I could start a company that could give a lot of people jobs. I could volunteer at my church or a old folks home centre and learn something. When you work at a company long enough, you can see yourself in it. You can see the work you have established and could influence other compagnies to do the same.
If positive is a state of mind, then so is negative. Which one makes you feel good?
I think it's true that you sound like a slave to your credit cards and your corporate household.
Now you may be successful, and I'm not trying to say that your a bad person, because your not. What I'm saying is that does that make you happy? for some it does not, getting promoted is'nt a big enough change, I don't think you get the point of this video.
but, like I said, if your happy living in ignorance than to each his own.
yeah... and in a few more years we're all grey asian indians... (because our genes are mixing up too... so you cant be an individual.. you cant say "im hispanic" or "im asian".. no more "blacks" or "whites".. all looking the same, wearing the same, eating the same... like in "This Perfect Day" from Ira Levin... thats so sad.. sorry if I used political incorrect terms... (for the "races" if we can say that are races.. you know what I mean.. I love all people.. except racists...)
maybe that is better. we will all be equal. but the way people look, is when they ajust to the climate. So if someone is from africa, their skin will be a lot darker than someone from Canada.
1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
Like I said... Maybe what you mean is MonoMarket? I live in California and there is a massive diversity of culture. Meaning choices in food, music, art, method and type of education. The variety of people to socialize with is so extreme that you are unable to even speak the same language as many people. We have Chinatown, Japantown, Gay Clubs. Entire neighborhoods of Blacks, Latinos, Whites, Asians... with businesses that cater to their needs.
Like I said, I'm quoting someone else, I've adjusted the reference because the original is near future, but I haven't changed the references beyond that.
The reasion for it being called monoculture is it's refering to the biological/agricultural term.
Whats so special about having your own culture anyways? People have to spend enough time learning Spanish or something alone just to talk to people of other cultures, and its not like something amazing was truly lost.
What? OK... if nobody liked McDonald's food, nobody would go there, and it wouldn't be everywhere. Welcome to capitalism. Besides, cultures have been assimilating and altering other cultures since... cultures even started existing.
The problem is not with people liking McDonalds. Its with things getting to the point where only McDonalds and other similarly bland and commercialised things are available.
"cultures have been assimilating and altering each others cultures since culture started existing".
That is, hands down, one of the most horrifically ignorant statements I have ever read, and that's saying something. I'd laugh if it wasn't so painfully innacurate. Go read ANY book or take ANY course on anthropology and you'll see how wrong you are.
Ok, example - Hellenistic culture spread to Africa and the middle east with Alexander's conquests. Look up memetics. Look up astrology, or pyramids, or agriculture, or the bow, or ANY pagan religion.
You're conflating "culture" with "civilization". An ever growing, ever powerful civilization and empire has the means to spread it's influence and control. Agriculture made it possible for these cultures to grow (NOT the bow and arrow), but there were thousands of cultures over this world before agriculture even got it's foot on the ground. Read "Guns Germs and Steel".
A culture is the climatic habits of a set population of people, including but not limited to language, religion, diet, art, music, organization and social institutions. Civilization is a culture, but specifically, it is an agricultural, city/farm based culture relying on hierarchy, specialization and systemic growth. The former cannot and has never completely conquered another culture, the latter has done it almost every time.
because it's inherently beneficial for those who adopt it. I don't think we disagree on any basic premise, just our opinion of it. We might as well be talking about whether or not death metal is good music.
No, actually, it's not at all like that. Civilization is not necessarily a good thing; it's really a mixed bag, and there are many benefits of living in a smaller, closer knit culture.
Yes, then we go back to how it was many, many years ago. Ripping eachother's throats out just because we're not a part of that close knit culture. At least nowadays we're killing eachother over wide spread cultures, like religion.
You're still missing the point. When Helenic culture spread to Africa, it mixed with the culture already there, and the culture there developed and changed in response.
Monoculture is essentially when one culture is replacing the others, spreading everywhere and not mixing with the existing situation to create something new that holds its ties to the old, just going "We don't like that, everyone does it this way"
The quote is from a comic set in the future (though not thaaaat far forwards), thus its refering to a situation there is some existence of now, but which isn't yet as pervasive as the quote suggests.
The best example I can think of such was what the Australian government tried to do to the Stolen Generation - taking them from their parents, culture, and roots, raising them in government homes and trying to instill theWestern values and culture in place of that of the Australian Aborigines.
Also in your head I am probably come across as heavy right wing as it appears you I support the big greedy companies but I am actually quite left wing but I just believe, at this moment in time, this method of globalisation is the best possible way to go about things.
Globalisation, is fairly inevitable. The question is, to what degree.
And I still think that any loss of the diverse cultures that exist or have existed is something to be mourned. Yes, things being mixed up is an inevitable part of globalisation.
My problem isn't with globalisation, it's with monoculture - blandness that often comes from/with globalisation. It can be avoided. But if we try and pretend it's not an issue, then beautiful cultures will disappear before our eyes.
Aside from your method which kind of dragged me off the actual issue, the fact that you believe that is the big bad corporations is such an obscured view. Also what would you recommend instead of globalisation? Generally I think of it as human society evolving and furthering itself. Joining together as one species, not divided by silly borders and such. But, you obviously know a greater way.
That is your logic? The "All you chalk up to" method. You could apply that kind of logic to anything and make it sound good. Hey Steven lane, interesting that you chalk it all up "the big evil corporations" and "the poor defenceless local businesses"...
You say that losing some cultures is a bad thing but how is it? We have saw in the past tribes culture being lost to city cultures and then eventually losing that unique culture to a nation culture. A more global culture is not necessarily going to be uninteresting, any other thinking would correspond with the thinking of a conspiracy theorist.
Interesting that "MageofRage" can just chalk it all up to "hate" and "conspiracy" and be so dismissive. Here's a bit of reality MOR, that sucking sound you hear is the money being drained out of your community as regional businesses are crushed by multinational corporations. Money is drained from local economies to make a few shareholders extremely wealthy; you want fries with your poverty?
"You will see a McDonalds in Prague, London, Sao Paolo etc..." So... That's not a bad thing, we are all part of the human race. We are all on the same planet and there is nothing wrong with a universal human culture. Also, no respect to you as it seems you just want to hate.
No. McDonalds everywhere isn't, on its own, a bad thing. But McDonalds and suchlike utterly supplanting the local stuff is a bad thing. The world becoming so homogenised that when you walk around London it's very much the same as walking around New York, or Sao Paolo is a bad thing.
Shared culture is good. Multiculture is good. Monoculture is, for the large part, bad - it's bland, it's lowest common denominator, it's boring, and it replaces the interesting parts of the cultures it grows in.
"That's not a bad thing"? Why, are you content to eat the same rancid shit the Americans eat when you visit Prague? And if so, why fucking go?
One of my problems with monoculture is that it's blatantly just American culture. It's not an amalgamation, it's a viral replacement, and it's choking everyone else through their own complacency.
I've eaten at McDonalds in New York, Paris, Delhi and Beijing, and have no trouble telling these cities apart.
Right now I'm in Salvador de Bahia, Brazil, where few speak a word of English, there are 166 catholic churches and a thousand temples dedicated to African gods. There's a McDonalds here as well.
I'm more worried by the lack of intercultural values and understanding, globally, than by this (E.g. Muhammad-cartoons).
A fair point, and a fair worry. I'd say monoculture is more of a worry for the near future, but it's still a worry. Especially how much alike many western cities are getting.
The important thing is not that cities will become indistinguishable, but that people actively want them to.
The other thing about monoculture is that it's based on services provided by corporations, and therefore entire cultures are in danger of not only becoming swallowed up by corporations, but also becoming totally dependent on them to the point where they no longer have the choice whether or not to buy that burger.
It's caught up in time. Everything is assimilated eventually. Yesterday, I was hanging out with a girl. Her father is white, her mother is black. On the beach, I met this American guy who's leaving his country because of the political situation. He grew up in a travelling circus. Drove from Amsterdam to India in the 70's. It's all good. Everything's gonna be all right. (Or maybe it's just on account of me being drunk.) Yeah, and I forgot last time: these words are English. Ain't my language.
i agree with you. monoculture is one of my greatest fears. i want to travel the world one day to experience unique cultures, explore strange landscapes and communicate with somebody completely different to myself and speak about the crazy adventures i got up to. i dont want to see starbucks mcdonalds and another grey skyscraper.
Aye, that's the problem of trying to make the rant appropriate to now, rather than Transmet's near future. For the brief, I was doing this as an ad for panorama, thus I couldn't really use 'Long Pig' et al.
And yeah, the worry is, if it doesn't have it now, how long till it arrives?
Thank you kindly. Glad that people like it - it makes all the work of carefully cutting down the quote, then getting all the timing right seem much more worthwhile.
You don't see that in every country but in Britain it's extreme.
andycorreia 1 year ago
Nice,but not psychotic and angry enough.
TylerMcManus1 1 year ago
I may not eat your burgers, I may not eat your fries, but I will DRINK...YOUR...MILKSHAKE I'LL DRINK IT UP!!!!
thewolfPrince 1 year ago
Transmetropolitan for the motherfuckin win.
butt17sex 2 years ago
it's fun because it's true.
seen this in a few places around the world.
same stuff within a different setting.
a little sad.
deadnights 3 years ago 5
This makes sense, sure we have names, we look slightly different. But we all buy the same corporate shit, go to the same schools, go out and find the same shit jobs.
for what? money? so we can buy more shit that won't matter after we're dead? so we can please people we may not even know in 10-20 years? and finally, to follow a religion to make ourselves feel better about not following our natural instincts and having something to "believe in".
We as humans have got some "evolving" to do.
john44565 3 years ago 9
Jobs are more than "shit". We don't all get the same ones. Try to find something your interested in. You make it sound weird. Sure we all go to schools.. but we work differently, survive differently. Be more positive!
pinkmileyemily 3 years ago
Being positive is a state of mind. Are you comfortable knowing that nothing any of us do will matter in 20-30-50 years?
You can live in ignorance all you want but the fact is the world is mean, rude, and nasty. People can't face it though because they're too caught up in the latest advertisement showing off the latest clothes or ipods.
john44565 3 years ago 3
You really think that's true? I think if I work hard in school it will matter. I could start a company that could give a lot of people jobs. I could volunteer at my church or a old folks home centre and learn something. When you work at a company long enough, you can see yourself in it. You can see the work you have established and could influence other compagnies to do the same.
If positive is a state of mind, then so is negative. Which one makes you feel good?
pinkmileyemily 3 years ago
I think it's true that you sound like a slave to your credit cards and your corporate household.
Now you may be successful, and I'm not trying to say that your a bad person, because your not. What I'm saying is that does that make you happy? for some it does not, getting promoted is'nt a big enough change, I don't think you get the point of this video.
but, like I said, if your happy living in ignorance than to each his own.
john44565 3 years ago
I don't think you know what your talking about. And it's impossible to have an argument without facts to back it up.
xAroused 3 years ago
i do not eat your fucking burger
cagriberksu 3 years ago
Jolly good.
fearmeforiampink 3 years ago
we have our own street food in here. its junk food, traditional and yummy :)
cagriberksu 3 years ago
Pink, nice job.
No confusion here.
AmericanConstitution 3 years ago
It must be a mono culture, because now we all have the same name. My name is Collin Janke!
Nice to meet you.
collinjanke 4 years ago
yeah... and in a few more years we're all grey asian indians... (because our genes are mixing up too... so you cant be an individual.. you cant say "im hispanic" or "im asian".. no more "blacks" or "whites".. all looking the same, wearing the same, eating the same... like in "This Perfect Day" from Ira Levin... thats so sad.. sorry if I used political incorrect terms... (for the "races" if we can say that are races.. you know what I mean.. I love all people.. except racists...)
MAcDaTHo 4 years ago
maybe that is better. we will all be equal. but the way people look, is when they ajust to the climate. So if someone is from africa, their skin will be a lot darker than someone from Canada.
pinkmileyemily 3 years ago
Uh... I think you've got the definition of Culture mixed up with Market...
Papachair 4 years ago
mon·o·cul·ture
1) The cultivation of a single crop on a farm or in a region or country.
2) A single, homogeneous culture without diversity or dissension.
The monoculture is a result of the market's blandness. Plus, it's a quote.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago 3
Culture:
1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
Papachair 4 years ago
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.
6. Anthropology. the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.
Papachair 4 years ago
Like I said... Maybe what you mean is MonoMarket? I live in California and there is a massive diversity of culture. Meaning choices in food, music, art, method and type of education. The variety of people to socialize with is so extreme that you are unable to even speak the same language as many people. We have Chinatown, Japantown, Gay Clubs. Entire neighborhoods of Blacks, Latinos, Whites, Asians... with businesses that cater to their needs.
Papachair 4 years ago
/shrug
Like I said, I'm quoting someone else, I've adjusted the reference because the original is near future, but I haven't changed the references beyond that.
The reasion for it being called monoculture is it's refering to the biological/agricultural term.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Ah... that explains the digesting and shitting =)
Cheers
Papachair 4 years ago
Needs more Hunter S. Thompson voice. Or at least Patrick Stewart
alabamabon33 4 years ago 2
Thompson, maybe. Stewart, only if he could really get the vitrol over.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Whats so special about having your own culture anyways? People have to spend enough time learning Spanish or something alone just to talk to people of other cultures, and its not like something amazing was truly lost.
I.e nothing of value was lost.
Nerdraker 4 years ago
Culture is what roots us, different cultures are good at different things, different cultures are *damn* interesting to see.
Not needing to learn Spanish to go to Spain is one thing, turning Spain into America 2.0 is quite another.
Also, the culture that is propogating and 'winning' isn't neccessarily the best.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
What? OK... if nobody liked McDonald's food, nobody would go there, and it wouldn't be everywhere. Welcome to capitalism. Besides, cultures have been assimilating and altering other cultures since... cultures even started existing.
GBart 4 years ago
The problem is not with people liking McDonalds. Its with things getting to the point where only McDonalds and other similarly bland and commercialised things are available.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Only? That is not, nor will it ever be so. Also, commercialized does not mean evil or low quality. If that were the case, nobody would go there.
GBart 4 years ago
"cultures have been assimilating and altering each others cultures since culture started existing".
That is, hands down, one of the most horrifically ignorant statements I have ever read, and that's saying something. I'd laugh if it wasn't so painfully innacurate. Go read ANY book or take ANY course on anthropology and you'll see how wrong you are.
Djangoblackbird 4 years ago
...??
Ok, example - Hellenistic culture spread to Africa and the middle east with Alexander's conquests. Look up memetics. Look up astrology, or pyramids, or agriculture, or the bow, or ANY pagan religion.
GBart 4 years ago
(-pagan)
GBart 4 years ago
You're conflating "culture" with "civilization". An ever growing, ever powerful civilization and empire has the means to spread it's influence and control. Agriculture made it possible for these cultures to grow (NOT the bow and arrow), but there were thousands of cultures over this world before agriculture even got it's foot on the ground. Read "Guns Germs and Steel".
Djangoblackbird 4 years ago
I have. What's the difference between culture and civilization?
GBart 4 years ago
A culture is the climatic habits of a set population of people, including but not limited to language, religion, diet, art, music, organization and social institutions. Civilization is a culture, but specifically, it is an agricultural, city/farm based culture relying on hierarchy, specialization and systemic growth. The former cannot and has never completely conquered another culture, the latter has done it almost every time.
Djangoblackbird 4 years ago
because it's inherently beneficial for those who adopt it. I don't think we disagree on any basic premise, just our opinion of it. We might as well be talking about whether or not death metal is good music.
GBart 4 years ago
No, actually, it's not at all like that. Civilization is not necessarily a good thing; it's really a mixed bag, and there are many benefits of living in a smaller, closer knit culture.
Djangoblackbird 4 years ago
Yes, then we go back to how it was many, many years ago. Ripping eachother's throats out just because we're not a part of that close knit culture. At least nowadays we're killing eachother over wide spread cultures, like religion.
QReaper 4 years ago
You're still missing the point. When Helenic culture spread to Africa, it mixed with the culture already there, and the culture there developed and changed in response.
Monoculture is essentially when one culture is replacing the others, spreading everywhere and not mixing with the existing situation to create something new that holds its ties to the old, just going "We don't like that, everyone does it this way"
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
The quote is from a comic set in the future (though not thaaaat far forwards), thus its refering to a situation there is some existence of now, but which isn't yet as pervasive as the quote suggests.
The best example I can think of such was what the Australian government tried to do to the Stolen Generation - taking them from their parents, culture, and roots, raising them in government homes and trying to instill theWestern values and culture in place of that of the Australian Aborigines.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Last comment. If it wasn't obvious by now I am MageofRage. Made a new profile.
ooXKinoo 4 years ago
Also in your head I am probably come across as heavy right wing as it appears you I support the big greedy companies but I am actually quite left wing but I just believe, at this moment in time, this method of globalisation is the best possible way to go about things.
ooXKinoo 4 years ago
Globalisation, is fairly inevitable. The question is, to what degree.
And I still think that any loss of the diverse cultures that exist or have existed is something to be mourned. Yes, things being mixed up is an inevitable part of globalisation.
My problem isn't with globalisation, it's with monoculture - blandness that often comes from/with globalisation. It can be avoided. But if we try and pretend it's not an issue, then beautiful cultures will disappear before our eyes.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Aside from your method which kind of dragged me off the actual issue, the fact that you believe that is the big bad corporations is such an obscured view. Also what would you recommend instead of globalisation? Generally I think of it as human society evolving and furthering itself. Joining together as one species, not divided by silly borders and such. But, you obviously know a greater way.
ooXKinoo 4 years ago
That is your logic? The "All you chalk up to" method. You could apply that kind of logic to anything and make it sound good. Hey Steven lane, interesting that you chalk it all up "the big evil corporations" and "the poor defenceless local businesses"...
ooXKinoo 4 years ago
*In response to your comment*
You say that losing some cultures is a bad thing but how is it? We have saw in the past tribes culture being lost to city cultures and then eventually losing that unique culture to a nation culture. A more global culture is not necessarily going to be uninteresting, any other thinking would correspond with the thinking of a conspiracy theorist.
MageofRage 4 years ago
Interesting that "MageofRage" can just chalk it all up to "hate" and "conspiracy" and be so dismissive. Here's a bit of reality MOR, that sucking sound you hear is the money being drained out of your community as regional businesses are crushed by multinational corporations. Money is drained from local economies to make a few shareholders extremely wealthy; you want fries with your poverty?
thestevenlane 4 years ago
"You will see a McDonalds in Prague, London, Sao Paolo etc..." So... That's not a bad thing, we are all part of the human race. We are all on the same planet and there is nothing wrong with a universal human culture. Also, no respect to you as it seems you just want to hate.
MageofRage 4 years ago
No. McDonalds everywhere isn't, on its own, a bad thing. But McDonalds and suchlike utterly supplanting the local stuff is a bad thing. The world becoming so homogenised that when you walk around London it's very much the same as walking around New York, or Sao Paolo is a bad thing.
Shared culture is good. Multiculture is good. Monoculture is, for the large part, bad - it's bland, it's lowest common denominator, it's boring, and it replaces the interesting parts of the cultures it grows in.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
"That's not a bad thing"? Why, are you content to eat the same rancid shit the Americans eat when you visit Prague? And if so, why fucking go?
One of my problems with monoculture is that it's blatantly just American culture. It's not an amalgamation, it's a viral replacement, and it's choking everyone else through their own complacency.
Hostile 4 years ago 2
nice
Jtea 4 years ago
WORDS FLYING AT MY FACE
CRW 4 years ago
which edition of transmetropolitan is this rant from?
Lokyar69 4 years ago
Tales of Human Waste, as far as the trade paperbacks go it's Book 0, released after all of the rest.
It's a bunch of setpieces, each page/spread about a different thing.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
"I hate it here" a collection of Spider articles with various artists.
shanejayell 4 years ago
very true
good words of wisdom.
christ8700 4 years ago
I no someone who works for Mcdonalds and he spits in burgers and he has VD Lol
jjccccc 4 years ago
Fucking.A.
Temple83 4 years ago
Mmmm. Burgers!
invasive 4 years ago
I've eaten at McDonalds in New York, Paris, Delhi and Beijing, and have no trouble telling these cities apart.
Right now I'm in Salvador de Bahia, Brazil, where few speak a word of English, there are 166 catholic churches and a thousand temples dedicated to African gods. There's a McDonalds here as well.
I'm more worried by the lack of intercultural values and understanding, globally, than by this (E.g. Muhammad-cartoons).
These letters are Roman. I'm Norwegian.
Tudo bom.
snarglebarf 4 years ago
A fair point, and a fair worry. I'd say monoculture is more of a worry for the near future, but it's still a worry. Especially how much alike many western cities are getting.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
The important thing is not that cities will become indistinguishable, but that people actively want them to.
The other thing about monoculture is that it's based on services provided by corporations, and therefore entire cultures are in danger of not only becoming swallowed up by corporations, but also becoming totally dependent on them to the point where they no longer have the choice whether or not to buy that burger.
Or that's what I think.
childofmetis 4 years ago
It's caught up in time. Everything is assimilated eventually. Yesterday, I was hanging out with a girl. Her father is white, her mother is black. On the beach, I met this American guy who's leaving his country because of the political situation. He grew up in a travelling circus. Drove from Amsterdam to India in the 70's. It's all good. Everything's gonna be all right. (Or maybe it's just on account of me being drunk.) Yeah, and I forgot last time: these words are English. Ain't my language.
snarglebarf 4 years ago
In the words of Immortal Technique, "there's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot". So goddamn true.
Hostile 4 years ago
i agree with you. monoculture is one of my greatest fears. i want to travel the world one day to experience unique cultures, explore strange landscapes and communicate with somebody completely different to myself and speak about the crazy adventures i got up to. i dont want to see starbucks mcdonalds and another grey skyscraper.
tony4moroney 4 years ago
Brillant - except Hobart dont have a Gap or MTV on public screens (yeah we are backwards!)
tassiegal 4 years ago
Not yet anyway ;)
esikil 4 years ago
Aye, that's the problem of trying to make the rant appropriate to now, rather than Transmet's near future. For the brief, I was doing this as an ad for panorama, thus I couldn't really use 'Long Pig' et al.
And yeah, the worry is, if it doesn't have it now, how long till it arrives?
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Hey man, you got linked to on Warren Ellis' blog.
warrenellis dot com
Hostile 4 years ago
Colour me rather chuffed. Especially since that link has got me somewhere in the region of 3,000 views.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
Well done, sir.
autodidactic 4 years ago
Thank you kindly. Glad that people like it - it makes all the work of carefully cutting down the quote, then getting all the timing right seem much more worthwhile.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
i guess best use of 50 secs on youtube. spider juruselum is a legend of a chracter who is based on the god of gonzo journalism hunter s thompson.
intowiz 4 years ago
Thanks! It's really 40 seconds with the credits stuck on the end, as that was the requirement for the brief I did it for.
Make you work hard and do a lot of cutting of chaff, having a time limit that short.
fearmeforiampink 4 years ago
well it was good man
intowiz 4 years ago