Demo of Simple device to Solve Toyota recall problem.

[peter455sd]

I have a better solution,sell the piece of crap and buy a decent American car.

Problem solved !

[TR4zest]

The 'Move it to Neutral' comments here seem pretty smug for people who have never been through this. Here's a thought: perhaps when the vehicle is in max acceleration when the throttle is stuck open, the torque in the transmission is so high, the lever might not be movable.

[3619Country]

@TR4zest

The lever is movable. Engine torque in an automatic does not affect the shift lever. Also many shifters now do not have a cable or linkage, they shift electronically.

[relaxitsonlyagame]

I'm still baffled as to why people couldn't get it through their heads to shift into Neutral or just kill the Ignition. You would still have steering and brakes although they would be a bit stiff. The steering wheel will only lock when the transmission is in Park and the trans wouldn't let you shift to Park when the vehicle is in motion. Vehicles are designed to be able to allow the operator to control the vehicle to a safe stop in the event of a breakdown such as power loss.

[videoeer]

Have you installed many of these?

[inspktr51]

check out my tacoma going out of control! it was fun though

[stopglobalswarming]

I like toyotas. I would buy another one. I don't believe they have sticky gas pedals. I think there were a few defective ones and now everybody is having a big panic attack. I think its more likely your chevy-made jap-crap engine will die on the highway than your toyota japanamerican crap will get a stuck gas pedal.

[NATASHAHRGLASS]

the guy in the vid is cute.

[wiredsubzero]

Why not just turn the key back one click so the the steering wheel lock dosent come on coast to a lay by or the hard sholder with it in neutural ?

[videoeer]

Do you have any idea which of the default modes of operation (Limp Home Mode, etc.) the computer reverts to when you engage the shutdown switch? I wonder if it varies for different models.

[mestizolove]

Open the door and stop it with your feet!!

[norxcontacts]

Roll down the window and jump out like a normal person.

[ea139403]

Sorry for the poor presentation by the way. I was just making this up as I went along. I was trying to say everything very carefully so I only had to do one take.

[ea139403]

The idle speed was high when the power was cut from the throttle motor because the engine was very cold. I had just started it up for about 1 minute before I began shooting. The engine coolant hoses going to the throttle body were still cold. Mechanical idle designed for emissions reasons. Sorry. I can't redo the vid. Vehicle is w/ Toyota now.

[assphincter]

I got a better solution. See the thing on your shifter that says "N"? You get the idea.

[MegaMeaty]

i only made it about 10 secs on this due to the extremely poor reading of his own script, and the harsh monosyllabic chanting

[211Alucard]

That guy drive a 96 Taco what the hell is he talking about.Most people want to sue Toyota.There are some that are true but I know and you know that people find ways to make a few buck.Maybe they are hired from the Big 3 to make Toyota look bad.I am just saying.

[dunn98632]

A bandaid fix on a dangerous car that still has a problem what a redneck fix if i ever seen one seriously WTF!!!!.

[videoeer]

Why do you call it "a redneck fix?" Do you have any idea of what it is he's doing? I was going to do something similar, so I'm only asking for feedback.

[dunn98632]

Only reason i call it a redneck fix is that its not solving the problem but merely putting a bandaid on it. Smart idea if it ever happens ok . I just upset that toyota has not stood up and said sorry lets fix that dam thing proper like.

Please do this if you feel it may happen to your car it is a good idea ok.

[videoeer]

Okay, I'll accept that and thanks for your response. But it may be that this problem can never be solved. With something like this installed you can at least drive the car with the knowledge that if it ever unintentionally accelerates, all you need do is press a button to save your life. Toyota, for reasons we may never know and some of which are certainly economic, isn't approaching it that way.

[DodgeMan360]

Pretty simple, if it accelorates suddenly, slide it in neautral.

[xlee888]

Have these people ever learned how to drive 5 speed?

Neutral is one position away from D.

[poketehnoob]

some situation in a auto you cant....

[ames0410]

@poketehnoob well appently you can look at the reports everyone had time to call 911 or their spouse

[xfistsclenchedx]

LOL, this is the worst cue card reading ever.

[myyota85]

uuuhhhhh after paying 35000 dollars you should not have to do that

[RiccoFX]

Well waht if the problem is actually the engine control computer, that "ESD" won't do #$#Q if the engine computer malfunctions and locks it into full throttle and then freezing up and ignoring all other commands like brake and throttle position, and your "ESD" - completely locking up the system into FULL THROTTLE!

[ea139403]

The power to the throttle motor in the t-body is completely removed/interupted by the ESD. The battery positive voltage is supplied to the throttle motor directly from the ECM. The ESD's circuitry lies in this currents path. For whatever the reason of unintended acceleration is, the ESD actually works regardless. It in no way prevents UA, but, depending on drivers reaction time, UA is completely manageable.

[RiccoFX]

@ea139403 that would only make sense if the throttle body motor is a return spring loaded type, but some that I know of are stepper motors and stay in the position until motor is reversed....

[videoeer]

@RiccoFX

I was wondering who uses a stepper motor type? Seems like that would be a recipe for disaster.

[RiccoFX]

@videoeer I guess I meant a "servo" type motor - not a stepper motor LOL

[cjellwood]

i cant believe i am sharing the roads and this planet with people that cant put a car into neutral or turn it off when it is running away.

phhhbbt!

[SportInjectionR]

I'll bet in some cases it has something to do with keyless ignitions (maybe failsafes prevent shutdown while the vehicle is moving?) and shift-by-wire transmissions found in Toyota hybrid vehicles (gear shifter isn't mechanically linked to the transmission, computer failure could render gear shifter useless).

The most recent Prius incident supports this theory, as the driver supposedly attempted both aforementioned actions, as he was instructed by a CHP officer.

[SportInjectionR]

I'm referring to attempting to shift into neutral or shut the car off when the throttle becomes stuck, of course.

[RiccoFX]

I think that these cars prevent you from putting it into neutral after going over a certain speed like 45mph or something, not too sure thou, any confirmation on this?

[cjellwood]

it is like Final Destination

[Heavymetalhero91]

@SportInjectionR you cant shut down the car when it is still in drive you would have to shift it to neutral what would be the point of shifting to neutral and then shutting it down if you could just shift coast and then pull up the e brake on the side of the road.....its better to be stopped on the side of the road than in the middle of a highway

[SportInjectionR]

@Heavymetalhero91

You missed my point. I'm pointing out that Toyota now uses an electronic switching mechanism, controlled by the engine computer, for the gear selector in their hybrids. The Gear Selector lever is no longer mechanically linked to the transmission, so I'm insinuating that maybe people have tried shifting into neutral and the car is not responding due to the same computer glitch that caused the sudden acceleration in the first place.

[SportInjectionR]

@Heavymetalhero91

Furthermore, cars with luxury options don't use traditional keyed ignition systems, so you can't just turn a key to shut the engine down. The engine start / shut down is controlled by an electronic button, that is also tied to the engine computer. This system surely has a fail-safe that prevents the car from being "accidentally" turned off while the car is in drive, moving above a certain speed.

[Heavymetalhero91]

@SportInjectionR i really dont see the point of shifting it just for the fact you have a high chance of dropping the transmission if you take it out of drive with accelerator down and you shift to neutral.....now it would make more sense if you just held the breaks down just tight enough to let you roll so you can coast to the side of the road then throw it in park and shut it off

[MegaMeaty]

usually the brakes are not sufficient to overpower the engine, they will heat up quickly, then fail.

[Heavymetalhero91]

@MegaMeaty but that really doesnt make sense then cause in the event of this kind of situation toyota recommends pressing down the breaks to get the car to stop then shift to neutral.....why would they have you do something if they know its not gunna work......mind puzzling isnt it?

[ea139403]

The ESD drops engine speed below 2,000 RPM while in drive. Fuel cut is near redline. Brakes can easily over-power that amount of horsepower (1,800 RPM in drive) unless they are totally fried already.

[Batmanshack]

So please prove this has happened? ANYONE? Nobody can prove this is happening.....

[ea139403]

The ESD is a back-up to have in case it does happen. That's all.

[videoeer]

Yeah, over 100 people have died because they don't know the brake from the accelerator pedal (not an issue here), or can't tell when their floormat is too close to the accelerator pedal. You must work for Toyota.

[Anticrombie918]

my emergency solution...Step on the clutch. one more reason stick shift is superior to automatics :D

[janji3202]

@Anticrombie918 totally agree, when it comes to reliability nothing can match basic honest to God engineering, unlike that drive by wire crap....

[MetalHeadHippies]

@Anticrombie918 uhh dude,did you not get the term DRIVE BY WIRE?!?? on some vehicles,even the ignition,clutch, and the transmission are completley electronic, you can run into a situation where those controls will not work!!

[joeldude76]

@Anticrombie918 why dont people but the car into neutrul??!?!?!

[Anticrombie918]

@joeldude76 i remeber making that comment somewhere else and everyone gave me crap that "oh, its more difficult on a prius... its not quite the same setup" i looked it up, its mounted funny, but is still Reverse->neutral->drive... people are stupid and don't know how to operate their vehicles. if you own a car, you should know how to put the fuckin thing in neutral.

[rtepic]

@Anticrombie918 or just put it in neutral. but i guess people dont know what that is. I mean hell sounds like the devils work to me.

[Butcherteddy]

@Anticrombie918 clutch or no clutch, thats why theres neutral. slap it there and your good

[Landrew0]

Can't hear anything he says with the engine revved up.

[janji3202]

@Landrew0 i guess that should concern you enough to make a doctors appt.

[Landrew0]

Naw, I just better speakers on my cheap laptop :-)

[netpolice151]

tampering the original design will only give toyota a reason not to be liable for any claim....i would not install that

[Jotaj3]

So you rather die proving a point, good one. Just remember to put it on neutral if it happens.

[carquestions]

Your device did not return it to idle as you said - you can plainly here the difference between your rigged speed and idle - the rigged speed would easily be enough to keep the car going over 70 miles an hour -

[friendorfoo777]

I guess some people can't read video notations.

[carquestions]

I could if the notation was there when I made the comment - it wasn't - it was recently added. I've done the same thing myself

[friendorfoo777]

Sorry about that.

[MetalHeadHippies]

@friendorfoo777 hey man,thank you for coming up with a simple solution the thousands of people never even had the sense to develop -you should be the one sitting in the CEO's chair,lol-and maybe these rice burners would stop killing people!!!

[joeldude76]

@friendorfoo777 i dont see any video notations

[carquestions]

@videoeer It goes exactly 63 mph in overdrive and is easily stopped by brake application

[videoeer]

Granted, 63 mph may be a little faster than I'd prefer but the important thing is it's not accelerating and you can stop it.

[MetalHeadHippies]

@carquestions he had it in neutral, it doesnt take nearly as much fuel to spin the engine over 3,000RPM as it would if the vehicle was in gear, one other thing i dont get-brake systems on all vehicles -are supposed to be designed to overpower the engine in all conditions,the fact that the brakes arent doing a damn thing is asinine,those cars arent being built the way they really should be...

[carquestions]

@MetalHeadHippies The brakes will stop any car - but you can't put them on then take them off then put them on etc. etc. you then get brake fade. Thats what happened to the Saylors Lexus - If you have a runaway you apply the brakes once until it stops - if you let up and re apply a few times (to avoid a crash etc) your done.

[mageac]

@carquestions or you could try the middle/left pedal... usually that one stops the vehicle

[F0ckUtoob]

god I weep for the future.

still have steering control? wow imagine if you could, a steering with no power... it gave north americans so much grief, they could not live w/o power steering. so flash forward to today when a guy on a video tells you you can lose steering control if the ignition is off.

wow, wonder how anyone survived to today. it's a wonder with all those non controllable steering wheels...

OMG!!!! What if a power steering belt fails!!! OMG!!!! Can we still sue?

[mitmaks]

what if a senior is driving it. You realize how slow senior's reflexes are??? they will go through whatever is in their way before they realize their accelerator is stuck. Thanks Toyota, for putting inferior products on the road.

[sneskid]

I'm sorry, but if your reflexes are hindered by anything, no matter what the cause, then you shouldn't be driving, period!

[sadieblooming]

Engine still races. You should put your effort on making shifting to neutral reliable and assessable.

[wes4300]

Wow. Um all you have to do is put the car in neutral.....way less comlicated.

[sortedvfr]

Part of the recall to the cars ECU is in the form of an update. From then onwards, the ECU will cut the gas/acceleration/throttle during an emergency braking situation... I hate to say it but....

D'oh!

[2000boxter]

Dude, that is way too complicated for most civilians. People have lost track of how a car works, ABS, air bags, anti skid, awd, have isolated drivers from theur vehicles. Back in the day before all this hitech crap, all you had to do was put the car into neutral, pull over ,and shut the car off. The engines run so smooth and quet you can hear them, hardly, before you could tell if the slightest thing was off...

[sneskid]

I have to agree with this statement. People have lost track of how a car works, not to mention, how to drive it SAFELY. This is actually why I'm somewhat against all these safety devices. Sure they are useful, but whether they are there or not, is not the problem.

The BAD DRIVER is the problem!

Case in point: how come I can drive ok in the snow with my front wheel drive car that is IN NO WAY suited for bad road conditions, while people with 4WD and weather tires are all over the road?

[jizzmonger]

All you have to do now is put the car into neutral.

Nothing has changed.

[ea139403]

This device was designed to deal with unintended acceleration in the case of Mark Saylor who's vehicle was accelerating for over 1 minute. Even in the case of drivers error this can be used. The suggested use of this device is that it should be used only on automatic transmissions if you are unable to shift into neutral.

[gavincurtis]

This works assuming the gas pedal is the problem and not software in the car's computer. Evidence is suggesting that it is the latter.

If computer has crashed, it will ignore the new throttle position command from the ESD as it has done with the gas pedal.

Only assured way to shut down the engine during computer malfunction is to kill the 12 volt supply to the ignition coil pack via a switch.

[videoeer]

What he's doing cuts the power input from the computer to the throttle motor. Since it's essentially "Off," it's not going to respond to the computer, even if it's crashed. (The computer, hopefully not the car.) If you kill the ignition, there's no power steering or brakes. Seems to me his way is better than shifting to neutral and hoping the rev limiter spares your engine.

[Totenhosen17]

No power steering or power brakes is not that bad.. Every acts like without them you cannot possibly do anything to maneuver the car...

[videoeer]

And for you purists out there, nobody says you can't still shift to neutral with this ESD device engaged. I'd certainly rather have my engine running 1800 rpm in neutral than trusting a rev limiter controlled by a computer that may already be flaky.

[two2cold]

Why?? Just put it in neutral.

The only thing you can do? How about don't buy a toyota.

[MonkeyDaFist]

if it was manual it would be so much more reliable

[kanehi]

Good thing the sudden acceleration problem didn't happen right then and there!